Reupload as the editing went a bit wrong on the last one! Do you know about Oxalates? Do you know the dangers they might be causing you? Did you know they are associated with a multitude of problems including cancer?
WOW - i had to add this to the start - i just saw the part where you talked about crust on the eyelids - then i remembered i had that a couple of times several months ago and forgot all about it have not had any vax since the us navy in 1978 - and no antibiotics at age 64 - 3 years ago - did not have a doctor - no cold or flu in over 20 years - no prescriptions - i suddenly became weak with chronic muscle fatigue symptoms and brain fog - went to doctor all blood work normal except tsh was 4.1 - the previous year - i was experiencing bradycardia - after 6 months tsh was 5.1 - then a year later it was 7.0 and a year later it was 9.1 - finally i got the doctor ( usa veteran's administration ) to prescribe medicine - levothyroxine - - well - to back up to a few months after i first got chronically fatigued - i went on carnivore diet - it DID NOT help - i did lose 30 pounds in 2 years though - but after i got the prescription - i did another web search for oxalate / thyroid - to try to find a correlation since i had been eating A LOT of raw nuts every day for many years before i became ill - those nuts were my snack during carnivore - and also popcorn every day - i was eating two hands full of pistachios - a small hand full of pumpkin seeds - handful of pecans - handful of walnuts - and was eating a lot of almonds until i found out they were very high oxalates - - so after searching - i once again found - no definitive link between oxalates and thyroid damage - blah blah blah - but since i had not been on any prescription before - i decided not to take the levothyroxine and STOP eating nuts altogether - ( i REALLY did NOT want to do that ) - 6 months later - my tsh was down to 5.0 and i am starting find some relief from the muscle fatigue - - and also - i forgot to mention - i was having TERRIBLE psoriasis on my face and ears - and it has cleared up now - i am going to get another blood test in a couple of weeks - - i am convinced that stopping eating nuts and other oxalate foods helped my thyroid recover - that is the only thing that stopped the tsh value from climbing - 2 years on carnivore did not help at all - until i stopped eating the nuts - - since my doctor is so busy and i have no medical indications - i only have visits about every 8 months or so
Thank you for your video. I'm a 57 year old male and have been suffering with Interstitial Cystitis (with Hunners Lesions) for over four years. I've been to four Urologists and have had numerous treatments, prescriptions, and Pelvic Floor Therapy. Nothing really helped and it was debilitative to the extent that I couldn't go on any longer. I had severe pain in my groin, I passed urinary blood constantly, and at times it was difficult to even walk upright. Not one doctor every brought up diet so I decided to go on an elimination diet. That's how I found the Carnivore Diet. I went 100% in and dealt with the carb. withdrawals. My symptoms started to get better with two weeks, and now (six months later) I'm practically pain free (I mean like 90-95% better). I brought up the theory of Oxalates and IC and he seemed interested, but had never heard of that correlation before. I'm not going back to a urologist any time soon. The Urologist, before the current one I was seeing, was ready to implant a TENS unit into my back to help me with the pain. All it would have taken to help me was to ask me what I was eating and educate themselves on oxalates. I'm anxious to see how I feel six months from now. Good luck to you all.
horrible you had such symptoms, I imagine as a male you were also not taken seriously for a long time. So happy Carnivore helped you, and like you I suspect it's the oxalates it's removed. Sad isn't it though that your doctor didn't really seem interested in how you cured this seemingly incurable condition. Beggars belief!
How have you dealt with the oxalate dumping? I went carnivore (9 months in now) and did not want to eat low oxalate. I got horrible rashes and sharp (so bad I could not walk) joint pains that would pop out of nowhere. I did then read Sally's book but chose to drink potassium citrate in an electrolyte mix to bind and remove them. I did not want to keep eating the oxalate foods other than decaf.
@catcan221 is decaf coffee a problem? I drink coffee in the morning, but switch to decaf after 2 or 3 cups. I thought Sally said coffee is okay (tea has oxalates). I've had my own oxalate nightmare, which included multiple visits for back pain, MRI showing a 2+ cm kidney stone, tooth removal, parathyroid removal, and an osteopenia diagnosis. I do suffer mid life migraines, thumb arthritis, breast issues, vulvodinia, and a myriad of white head bumps surfacing all over, but mostly on my face and scalp. Things are improving since reading and following Sally's book. No doctor guided me away from oxalates in any of this bumpy miserable journey😢 All from being vegetarian, trying to keep myself healthy, drinking daily green smoothies (bushels of spinach and other greens, sweet potatoes, etc) I still eat salads. Just keep it to low oxalate salads....
@@jellybeanvinkler4878 So sorry to hear of your struggles. I am no expert on oxalates, having just learned, as you have. I don't seem to have a problem with Swiss water-decaf coffee. I read Norton's book but I chose not to continue consuming oxalates because I felt it would just prolong the excess in my tissues and slow the detox down. I know we can make our own oxalates but constantly consuming them is of no value, to me personally. Obviously, you need to follow your medical professional's advice and then make your own judgment call. Mine were unaware of oxalates in context of people other than those with kidney stones following a low ox diet. So I had to seek out more informed professionals. What I did read was that the medical establishment does recommend consuming citrates to bind to oxalates and safely excrete them. I chose to drink a potassium citrate based electrolyte mix daily to bind them as they make their way out of my body. It seems to help me and I have had very few dumping episodes since. If I do feel I am dumping on more rare occasions now (strange stabbing pains in joints, etc.) I increase my electrolyte water intake and that seems to help. I don't go too much over because citrates can cause digestive issues.
Excellent presentation, thank you! I am 61 years old and had fibromyalgia and interstitial cystitis for 30 years. Also low iron, depression, and trigger fingers. It got worse on keto, as the keto docs promotes eating almonds. I was eating almond biscuits topped with almond butter along with a glass of almond milk. Sally Norton said that almond biscuits are oxalate bombs! I also ate spinach, sweet potatoes, dark chocolate and drank black tea. Now after ketovore/low oxalate I have zero pain, trigger fingers healed, as did the depression. For the first time in my adult life, my iron is in the normal range. I am a retired pathologists' assistant and used to spend my days dissecting people and people parts. I used to see pockets of small brown stones in prostate glands. They were noted but not analyzed. I wondered what they were made of? I also wonder what percentage of the crystals in atherosclerotic plaques are oxalates? Oxalate crystals look similar to cholesterol crystals (from degraded red blood cell membranes in the clots that form plaques). Standard tissue processing dissolves both kinds of crystals and the pathologist sees the needle-like forms where the crystals were. There are alternate processing techniques that would preserve the crystals and a special stain (Alizarin Red S) that could be used to identify the oxalate crystals, but it is never ordered.
I can 100 % attest to that! 23 years on disability and bedridden bcs of it. And Im a nutritional therapist that ate "healthier" than anyone else I knew. The sicker I got, the "healthier" I ate...and the sicker I got. It didn't make any sense! Thank God that I found Sally K Norton. I've been to over 40 of her classes. I'm 2 years low oxalate now and with my background I have several more years of clearing/dumping to go. Some things have really improved so I'm on the right path.🎉
That many classes? Why? I ate “healthy” plant diets trying to heal my autoimmune diseases, and I only got worse, and collected more autoimmune diseases. Lovely. Now trying to figure out why my arthritis is now worse than ever after 3 months on this diet. Are you improving still? What’s improved?
Went on a keto diet and foolishly started to make desserts and bread with almond flour. I lost 18 kgs but when I stopped eating almond bread , cake and almonds themselves I started to get milky white urine, joint pains and my eyes felt like needles were in them. My teeth also started to produce white flecks when I flossed. I thought my enamel was flaking. Then I stumbled across Sally Norton and went AHA....Oxylate dumping. No more almonds or spinach ( or most plants) for me. The world owes Sally a huge debt. Buy the book....its amazing. Good Job Doc.
Her book toxic superfoods came out in 2022. She now has a companion book that I just got off of Amazon haven't had a chance to get through it all yet listing out foods item by item with more accurate levels of oxalate so you can really tell whether it's a low medium high or very high oxalate food so you can immediately start eliminating the high and very high dropping down slowly and gradually all everything including mediums and down to the low oxalates instead of having conflicting information from all over the place.
Thank you - Five years ago I began smoothies and salads and eating what I thought was good. Stopped junk foods no chips no cookies watched sugar intake. Then started getting UTI’s and the smell was horrific and I was embarrassed. I’m 51 years old and never had them before. Would go on antibiotics for a week, everything cleared up. Then boom back again. I was told it’s my lifestyle. I’ve have PPMS and never had UTI’s before so my lifestyle really ??? Fast forward to present 02/2024, I came across-information I thought was interesting- Oxalate ?? So after watching the video’s and then more videos then came across Sally Norton- I have since removed all the supposed good stuff: kale, sweet potatoes, spinach, celery, etc and I have had no issues. No UTI’s aka: Bladder infection. It is going on 3 months and I could not be happier. Again thanks so much for sharing. This is the stuff that needs to be talked about but due to helping people before they become to their death bed not much will change. Ironically, the food we consume does make us ill over decades of eating the stuff you wind up going to your deathbed. Have a good day 👍
Another good one is Elliot Overton. His is the first ever video I saw on oxalates November 17th 2023) and I was shocked! I love dark chocolate and almonds. I cut them out immediately and other high OX foods as well. I was already cutting out all grains and especially after watching Dr. Peter Osbornes video on why a Gluten Free diet sometimes doesn't work. Fascinating topics!
I have to agree with the oxalates. I am now 43 years old and all my life growing up as a child until adulthood I had vulva vestibulitis. As soon as I found out about oxalates I immediately lowered my consumption and All my pain and burning of the vulva finally went away. I also had reoccurring bladder infections. It upsets me that none of my doctors were ever able to figure this out. I found out about this information on the show The Doctors years ago from the gynecologist Lisa Masterson. All my life I was told vegetables are good for me and I used to eat out of the garden all the time as a kid. I guess, the way I look at it now is, better late than never on finding this information out. 😊 I also had rheumatoid arthritis as well
It's not a far-fetched Notion that doctors didn't think about oxalates when your symptoms were inflammation of your vulva? Most doctors aren't even aware of what oxalates are much less trying to solve your problem by leaving them out. Doctors aren't generally educated about diet anyway, so blaming them for not knowing is NO different than YOU not knowing.
You’re quickly becoming a favorite channel … great presentation style. Interesting guests and stories. I’m in the US - almost 62. Lost about 40 pounds. Currently 5’8 and 175 pounds. Started carnivore to drop weight, improve BP, and do what I could to avoid cancer and dementia (my mom died due to effects of dementia). I’m retired US Navy. It was easy staying lean and fit while on active duty, but the pounds crept in over the years. Calorie counting left me walking around starving all the time. Man, this carnivore diet is fantastic
I have Oxalate poisoning from my superfood smoothies I thought were good for me, it takes 10 years to clear the nano crystals, I am getting close to 9 more years eating the Carnivore way, I am feeling better and getting stronger my eyes have improved. I have Sally K Norton’s wonderful book.
@@ThemeatmedicIt has helped me understand why I am not just bouncing back. I tried Redmond’s Chili Lime it has been a week and I am still reacting to it.
@@LeapOfFaaaithI don’t think so can tolerate the pain from this dumping! I’m already on morphine because of autoimmune diseases, and this is worse than the pain I was having. My pain is amplified, too, from fibromyalgia and idiopathic neuropathies. Ugh!
Oxalate is a metabolite of vitamin C. That means you can actually avoid the production of a part of oxalate in your body by avoiding overdosing vitamin C.
@@ianstuart5660 I've been overdosing on vitamin C for fifty years now. No problems with kidney stones(or anything else, on zero medication). The body does not 'excrete' vitamin C. That is to say that there is no ACTIVE mechanism by which the body voids vitamin C. When the serum level is above saturated then the amount of C that is washing out with water exceeds the micro-tubules ability to pump it back into the body, and it is excreted in the urine. The body is never 'trying' to get rid of vitamin C, it is desperately trying to retain all that it can. I believe that it is shown at Vitamin C and Cardiovascular Disease: An Update - PubMed that at least 2000 mg (2 gm) is beneficial for 75 Kg human. N.B. The above link is 'real science' not internet raving.
Yeah I bet! I would always take lots and lots of vitamin C if I felt I was coming down with something. Now it's "Be afraid...be very afraid!"@@ianstuart5660
Bruh back in 2022 I took 1-2g of vitamin c (acerola cherry powder) daily thinking it was boosting my immunity and skin health. I ended up getting a kidney stone four months later and then some mild ED. Horrible pains. Apparently vitamin c releases oxalates when it gets metabolized by the body. These oxalates then combine with calcium and form calcium oxalate stones. I got my kidney stone analyzed and it was indeed a calcium oxalate stone. And now I hear people following some Linus Pauling therapy of high dose vitamin C. I call bs.
Vicious bloody things. Before I started carnivore I had no chance. Between Oxilates and heavy liver damage I was doomed. Can you possibly imagine what I was going through? 😨
I always laugh when people call the carnivore diet being "restrictive". Really? Eating different meats, eggs, fish, and maybe cheese is restrictive? How about having chronic inflammation, joint pain, IBS, GERDS, insomnia, depression, diabetes, and so much more. I find THOSE to be restrictive on my life, not eating a bit of meat instead of sugary junk or going to any restaurant I want. Being in amazing health and curing several chronic diseases is not restrictive, it's liberating.
Have you healed from all of those things you’ve mentioned? I’ve been on Carnivore 3 months and I’ve having worse pain than I was on my several autoimmune diseases. My arthritis has flared so much worse than before. Is this normal? How long does it last?
@@suew4609 are you eating just meat? Or are you also including dairy products like coffee creamer, milk, butter, cheese? Try red fatty meat and water for a month and incorporate a bone broth fast too! I was a month in and began oxalate dumping in the form of kidney stones! It was intense. Then shortly after I had gall stones pass and learned I needed to incorporate more animal fat. I eat 1 gram of protein per desired body weight and 2 grams of fat per desired body weight, and it was a slow and steady adjustment...I ate too much fat at once and had atrocious loose stool all night. Your body is in healing mode and it is purging and reacting to sudden new changes (that is, your immune system in your gut is reacting to sudden change in the type of fat and macros you are introducing) Perhaps easing yourself into the Carnivore would benefit in the long run.
Stared & did keto 4 months but was still eating high oxalates almonds and cashews and raspberries was still having some digestive issues ibs bloating ect... Switched to carnivore 3 weeks ago to try to isolate and then bring back vegetables to see what was irritating my gut about 4 days in on carnivore oxilate dumping started happening in my joints things that had been feeling great started hurting again... I had started watching videos about carnivore and a few people had mentioned oxalate dumping but i knew nothing about them then stumbled on Sally Norten video and all of a sudden it all made sense! Your video and a few others are making it more and more clear whats going on and what i need to remove from my diet. So thankful for all the doctors and health practitioners who put these videos out there! regular doctors are of very little use in metabolic medicine and im finding most illnesses and problems are caused by metabolic problems!
No I'm more keto vore now eliminated almonds cashews and really focusing on limiting high oxalates foods and also added calcium supplement when I do eat oxalates... I have been adding iodine daily that seemed to help allot with my low energy levels.
I have a theory on oxalate dumping. It may be correct that the body does dumping in stages to prevent over loading the body and protect from toxicity. I also believe there is a link between oxalate inflammation and constipation. Gastric cardiology is an emerging field.... The more I look into this the more I am convinced that every single ailment is caused by putting the wrong things into the mouth.
I think your last sentence is 100% correct. diet is the fundamental cause of most, if not almost all chronic health issues. I also you think you may be correct on the dumping being protective to an extent, it does seem to occur whenever the body gets the greenlight so to speak.
The body puts the oxalates all over preventing them from settling in the kidneys as stones. That’s remarkable. The dumping is fascinating and mysterious. I started my healing journey eith a severe dump - double eye conjunctivitis after 2 months of spinach and swiss chard eating, cooked. A month after that i began carnivore, slowly. Now 9 months in and chronic diarrhea for 2 months. Definitely dumping. Feeling like it’s calming down a bit. I’ve increased the ox foods to slow it down. Chocolate, black/green tea, slippery elm powder, cinnamon. Mineral baths, lotsa mineral supplementing. I want the ox out.
Sally K Norton says that it takes up to 5 years to dump all oxalates. You'll be fine. Keep going. Great metabolic health will be yours.@@olgakuchukov6981
Thank you for this video! It is perfect timing to help me explain oxalates to my brother-in-law. I was explaining to him last how I eliminated four plus high oxalate foods from my diet (that I ate almost every day) via Carnivore improved my life dramatically. I was able to explain the basics about oxalates and dumping, but you did a superb job in documenting and explaining it. FYI-The foods I was consuming and eliminated were: spinach, sweet potatoes, turmeric, and chocolate. I still consume coffee, because I didn't want to bring on excessive dumping too rapidly. It doesn't have anything to do with the fact that I love coffee. 😉
@ActivateMission2ThisTimeline If you need a temporary replacement for cashews, try Macadamia nuts. They're not as bad, and are high-fat. I packed about a dozen daily for work lunch and eventually eliminated them when I went OMAD.
I'm so glad to see this, as i can relate to the person who couldn't tolerate carnivore. I've been doing it for over 3 months & can't tolerate it either & didn't know what change to make. Found this just on time, & will gradually reintroduce some low oxalate vegetables & see how it goes. Excited to change route.
I recall as a child I woke up one morning unable to open my eyes. My mother bathed them with warm water, problem solved and not much was thought about it.... Fast forward to a few months ago when I went from a Keto diet to a Carnivore diet, I woke up one morning unable to open my left eye, my eye was very sore the previous day. Co-incidentally I had just watched a carnivore vlog the previous night where a woman was talking about what happened to her with Oxalate dumping, so I knew right away what caused it. I bathed it in warm water and...problem solved. Thinking back to my childhood, we were quite poor so lived off the land as much as possible. I suspect mum had put in a lot of greens over winter and we lived off them, when the season was over, back to other foods. I don't recall it ever happening again, nor do I recall my siblings having any problems, but it certainly did happen to me as a child. Also...nice to have an answer to what had happened so long ago....:)
not sure what list that is, but I've noticed a lot of differences between lists I've checked online! I wish Sally had one on her website, b/c I'd go with her, as she's done more research than anyone I know!
It would be. I’m hoping next year to start some things like this, but for now I’m working with my f2f patients. Almost all see dramatic improvements in their health.
Thanks for sharing all of this. I'm reading Sally's book now. Tried carnivore and lost some weight, but both my husband and I found it brought challenges with it that we weren't comfortable with. Namely, low energy and symptoms of low blood sugar. I bought some salt supplements, but we just can't afford the better ones on a regular basis for two people. Besides, if I have to supplement in order to avoid feeling light-headed, that doesn't seem to be sustainable nor the optimal path. I have cold-induced histamine intolerance, so I'm familiar with a fairly unexplored physical reaction to foods. I got a kidney stone about 3 years ago, but didn't know what kind. This path of educating myself on oxalates has been so illuminating. After Paul Saladino's hitch in his carnivore path over to including some fruits into his diet, I'm even more ok with adding some fruit and vegetables to a primarily meat based diet. This recent piece of the puzzle, oxalates, is helping me to tailor my plan. Again, thank you!
You don't need to pay for expensive electrolyte supplements, you can just add a good quality salt to some water. Add a squeeze of lemon or lime to make a delicious drink 😊
Did you transition slowly? If not, it'd take 6 months for your gut to get its act together. If so, the below may apply. That said, yeah, the beginning is rough. It sounds like you two are undereating, which is very easy to do if you're coming from any other diet and you're not used to having higher amounts of fat. I had the extra same issue when I started (no transition) and I was constantly fatigued, tired, headaches, no energy, etc. Still have trouble sometimes and it's generally due to undereating thanks to low digestion and my gallbladder not used to anything but low fat (plus, I have histamine intolerance too and it's a PIA fr). Try eating smaller but more frequent meals (2MAD or 3MAD) to get your digestion perked up. You can try ACV/lemon water but it may cause histamine issues for you. Re: electrolytes, you can use Redmond's Real Salt and that seems to work well for people. I use their electrolyte powder but its more expensive than their salt. I'd suggest just the salt and maybe checking out Ken Berry and iodine to see if that could help with energy levels too. Just wanted to share some tips I've learned during my year doing carnivore and struggling.
For years my favorite foods were those very high in oxalates. I am hoping I am coming toward the end of dumping them after 8 months with a carnivore WOE. I am so grateful to Sally Norton for teaching me about them.Her book is great. It got even worse when I went on a gluten free diet which really helped for 15 years, but led me to using almond flour for all baked goods. I loved Swiss Chard, spinach, rhubarb, potatoes, etc.
Got diagnosed with hypothyroidism in January 2023. Went keto then carnivore and in August my TSH was 2.75. Took the meds for 1 week but immediately developed insomnia so I quit. Side note I had H. Pylori and got rid of it which according to the internet of things can sometimes cause hashimotos.
Here's a ChatGPT summary: - The speaker claims that hypothyroidism can potentially be cured with a low-oxalate diet, contrary to previous beliefs that it is incurable. - Oxalates are naturally occurring compounds found mostly in plants and are produced by humans in small quantities, especially during stress. - Oxalates are considered anti-nutrients and can form needle-like structures that may cause discomfort and health issues, such as kidney stones. - Common symptoms of oxalate toxicity include brain fog, fatigue, nausea, gut issues, muscle pain, thyroid problems, recurrent UTIs, joint pain, and autoimmune activation. - Oxalates can interfere with nutrient absorption, leading to deficiencies in iron and calcium, and potentially causing osteoporosis. - The speaker suggests that oxalates may contribute to various health issues, including arthritis, gout, thyroid problems, and even cancer. - There is no definitive test for oxalate problems; diagnosis is typically based on clinical smptoms and dietary response. - Treatment involves reducing oxalate intake through diet, with options for gradual reduction or a more immediate, strict approach like a carnivore diet. - Oxalate dumping syndrome can occur when oxalates are rapidly released from the body, causing symptoms like kidney pain, rashes, and joint inflammation. - Foods high in oxalates include spinach, rhubarb, beetroot, nuts, seeds, grains, potatoes, and sweet potatoes. - The speaker recommends a staged reduction in oxalate intake to avoid dumping syndrome and suggests that improvements in symptoms can take days to months. - Case studies are presented where patients experienced significant health improvements on a low-oxalate diet, including reduced pain, improved mental health, and decreased symptoms of chronic conditions. - The speaker emphasizes the potential link between oxalates and various medical conditions, including ADHD, autism, and certain cancers, though acknowledges the lack of hard scientific evidence. - Main message: Reducing dietary oxalates may alleviate a wide range of health issues, including autoimmune and chronic pain conditions, though more research is needed to fully understand their impact.
Carnivore here, previously diagnosed with PMDD, chronic depression, anxiety, etc. Carnivore is absolutely the cure. - I'm just not at the end of your video, and I'm also autistic with many improved symptoms since going carnivore.
As a nurse that really caught my attention, that would be absolutely fascinating to to learn about. I used to work in an orthopedic clinic at a VA and we had to treat many many people with Dupuytren's that they could really really mess up your hands.
I am a Hyperthyroïdie patient with metastatic cancer I do not want surgery or medications because they have major consequences because heavy poisons are used and went carnivoor. My T.S.H was 0.005 T4 28.58 T3 7.72 I am not always have been strikt on the lifestile but after 7 months the results now looks like this T.SH.0.01 T3 7.4 T4 20.6. Plants are killing you! And yes I was 15 years végétarien.
Next time your physician or nurse practitioner orders labs for you, request that besides TSH and just generic T3 and T4 that the physician also requests total T3 and total T4 as well as free T3 and free T4 and then lastly Reverse T3. Those levels actually provide a whole lot more information for the doctor who knows how to interpret them, then just TSH alone.
Thanks for the St Joseph list. Very helpful. My eyelids and corners of my mouth are affected. A new level today with most of my face puffy. I have Sally's book and will be reading it today.
250 mg is very low oxalate diet! the reduction and oxalate dumping is not like oh well i just feel sore or something....you can go through serious inflammation and that can be long term...this can kill you!
I feel like it’s killing me right now! My pain level is so high. I jumped into the diet because no one I listened to stressed this oxalate problem. I have added about 20-30 mg back but it’s not doing much of anything. I guess I need to add more. It’s rough going through this after having chronic pain for 20+ years.
I do wonder why *ovi* vaccines seems to trigger things so much, and I'm wondering if it's a stress response trigger oxalate production. Impossible to know, just a theory. probably off base, but an interesting thought.
I feel we could all do without chemical where possible and chemicals are what they are. Plants have defences, they can't run away so they find ways to do harm or kill.
Dumped oxalates for 7 months almost non-stop after stopping all oxalates, had all the symptoms, but they didn't all go away. Found out I have CIRS. Have very little oxalate dumping now, but still have a lot of symptoms because of CIRS.
@@janetprice1368 Chronic inflammatory response syndrome. A common genetic condition with multiple systems involved and many symptoms. Lots of great videos on RUclips about it from Judy Cho, EO Nutrition, Dr. Andrew Heyman and The CIRS Group podcast.
If you read Sally K Nortons book she explains where and how the body sequesters the crystals. They get stored EVERYWHERE, including the brain, the eyes. Everywhere.
I'm so glad i found this. Over 3 months on carnivore & I hate it, despite noticing some positive but subtle changes in my cfs symptoms. I can't sustain carnivore.
Hi from Ingham North Queensland, 5 years carnivor. Had kidney stones 4 years ago and again just now. I had been on a very high oxalate diet for many years. I have assumed the stones were there from the start and are now moving because they have got smaller being on a clean diet. What do you think?
not direct medical advice, but it's possible the makings of the stones were there and building, hard to tell, could also be due to oxalate dumping and new formation. hopefully you aren't in too much pain or trouble with them. Citric acid would probably help, but you probably should see a doctor too.
By just now I ment last week. I know the feeling of a stone coming on now and if the pain last to long I need medical help. It a long story but I don't have a doctor l trust, the last one tried to kill me. Learning about carnivor saved my life. Where is your practice located, I feel I could trust you.
Life is getting real scary now. Ima just pray and do my best to make things work for me. You try to do the right thing and still seem to do the wrong thing. 🙏 to everyone dealing with this oxalates deal.
I've had tinnitus for around 20 or more years, I went carnivore last May, about a month and half in,my tinnitus was so much worse, to calm ot down I had to add back in some carbs, but it's still torturing me. I wear Bluetooth headphones on a constant basis. I would give or do just about anything to make it stop
Tammy for tinnitus -mine comes and goes. When I hear one coming on, I noticed it’s often when I’ve been sitting quietly and breathing shallowly. Take some deep breaths. Don’t make yourself faint, but try deep breaths for a couple of minutes and see if there’s any change. God bless.
@@tammyc1812 o, yea & that is exactly what the dark-side wants, try extra magnesium, iodine & Borax, it might help, mag & iodine get toxins out, Bx helps build new sells & with mag. get calcium out of soft tissue...also try your blood group diet...i'm so healthy the dark-side tries to kill me 6 years now, haha
Very interesting! Keto helped me to get rid of fibromyalgic tendon pains and diarrhea. I still suffer from tinnitus and insomnia (waking up at 3 am and not falling back to sleep for a few hours). Sometimes I get back the tendon pains for a few days. I think it is food related, but do not know which. I think nuts, sweet potato, chocolat, croissants (I fall off the keto wagon so now and then). Lately I have very dry eyes and blurred vision. Is it from menopause or from oxalates or oxalate dumping?
Funny...i had that with crusty eyes BEFORE I went vegan.....I've eaten a LOT of plant foods every day for the last 15 years.....haven't experienced the crusty eyed at.all...among other beneficial changes Could it be that all these "carnivore youtubers" are grifters and liars? Yes...They're just looking for money and attention....if you believe Sally Norton you are insane.
I think amount of oxalates that is excreted during dump can vary from person to person and can be more than 50mg. It can be excreted through urine, feces and even skin. I’ve stated to have huge diarrhea after a few months of carnivore diet. I don’t know if it happened by itself or because I’ve started to supplement with some minerals and vitamins. And it wasn’t only it, but also sore throat, generally feeling bad, skin issues, depression and anxiety. So I’ve added some black tea and dark chocolate to slow it down.
@@gypsyluv1118 well, mainly two reasons. First one is that I've always loved chocolate. And second one, it has long shelf time and you need very little piece, so it is very convenient. Same with tea. I call them space food 😄
@@boomerang0101 because this is how science behind oxalates works. If you will go zero oxalates your body starts dumping it like hell, and you feel really bad. Because the most damage you receive when oxalates in your bloodstream (dumping is the process of pulling it out of the tissues and putting in blood first before it gets excreted via kindness or other paths). In order to slow down this process you consume small amount of oxalates, around 100mg a day. Because clearing can takes years and you don’t want to feel sick during this time. It doesn’t matter if food is high or low oxalates, total amount is matter. In case with dark chocolate it will be small portion, like 20 grams. Hope it make sense. There is huge amount of information about oxalates on RUclips.
@@gypsyluv1118I’ve chosen black tea and clementines right now. I hated to let go of my tea when I started Carnivore, so I have tea with lemon in it to help with dumping.
No doubt you are correct. Your body was sequestering or hiding the oxalates wherever it could and whatever tissue it could to try and make it stop poisoning you
I knew nothing about oxalates when I went mostly carnivore 6 weeks ago. As a former spinach and almond milk, green smoothie drinker, I have lots of these things stored in my body and now I'm suffering as they are all trying to leave at the same time ☹
your suggestion on lowering oxalates can be still very shocking for the body if one eats too much oxalates....my family member went to hospital with serious heart and breathing problems when he went very low on oxalates. It depends on how much oxalate is one eating.
There’s a definite connection (research papers abound) to Mold toxicity and Candida producing oxalate - which then binds to calcium. I’d love to know a) how many oxalate sufferers have been on Abx, allowing Candida/yeast/ Mold to overgrow? b) why is there calcium in the tissues anyway - for the oxalate to bind to? Calcium should be in the bones. c) copper toxicity could be a cause of the excess calcium - very common in women
Calcium is a major mineral with a with positive electrical charges and is part of the neurotransmitter system inside the cells. Oxalates will yank calcium out of cells and bind with it and that disrupts the cell and then the immune system gets triggered and flared to fight and get rid of the dysfunctional cell. It's not like oxalates have a brain they just simply bind with the calcium in a really bad way and we need calcium in our every cell. Otherwise the cells would not function. It is the calcium that causes muscular contraction, think heart and all the other tissues and muscles that need to contract your muscles it's magnesium that relaxes your muscles and is also an essential mineral. And then when the cell membrane gets disrupted then potassium leaks out so you can develop low potassium. So it's really really important to get these oxalates out of the body. Calcium magnesium and potassium balance are fluids but they also do many many other functions and we need all of them in our cells.
His slide in presentation on reducing oxalates and how to do it and how slowly and how gradually, is spot on. Interesting about the content on menstruation and menopause. When you think about it the females going through a monthly dump of a significant amount of blood which is also where calcium and magnesium circulate and if you are depleted in magnesium and calcium because of oxalate binding with it it would make sense that it would increase the symptoms. I know that adding magnesium to my diet really alleviated a lot of my symptoms when I was younger but I wasn't doing the high oxalate diet saying that has been pushed for the last 50 years. I wasn't doing all kinds of green smoothies, I didn't have loads and loads of access to high oxalate foods like chocolate and nuts. Just once in a while. But I was also anemic and had very low iron so there's a careful balance of minerals and electrolytes in our body. And if one of them goes out of whack the rest can go out of whack and if they are made to go out of whack because of oxalate binding, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised!!
I have epilepsy. I used to have several seizures every week. Carnivore 3.5 weeks and only one seizure in the 1st week probably because I still had yoghurt. Won't be buying yoghurt again. I think it should be a crime for a neurologist to put you on medication and not tell you about ketosis. I have been on just about every medication for epilepsy and not one has worked. Carnivore is the way to go.
Hi, I've just discovered your channel and have a question. I have fibromyalgia and sibo along with fatigue and depression. Which would benefit me more, a carnivore or gaps diet. Would love a video on that.
sadly not any particularly good way. it requires a slight leap of faith. thankfully it's not that complicated or difficult to go to a low oxalate diet to see if it helps
I know I suffered from this for decades . I started my journey it health over a year ago. I haven’t woke up injured in about 3 months. I just stopped dumping about 3 weeks ago. But I won’t go back. I’m wanted to prove that It wasn’t in my head.
Bilateral CMC arthritis here! Also thyroid nodules and hyPERthyroidism! Also osteopenia, eczema and psoriasis! Almost 56 years old. Mostly carnivore, but I guess I need to further cut back the plants I do consume.
Regarding the osteopenia, look into bioidentical hormone replacement therapy ASAP. Find a compounding pharmacy near you and ask for doctors who prescribe bHRT.
Sally Norton has great info on her website, otherwise, spinach, nuts, rhubarb are probably the biggest offenders for most people. Black/green tea is high too, and the fake milks are ++ high. Soy is bad too. Carnivore is a zero oxalate diet.
In general nuts and seeds are the highest in oxalates along with plants certain plants. You have to do the research on the plants and if you pull even if you do something as simple as a Google search inserting the one you want for example spinach is spinach high oxalate it will tell you. It may not give you as many details as the oxalate experts can give you such as the Facebook channels trying low oxalates, the low oxalate kitchen, or the Wizards of ox you'll get a lot more information there about high and low oxalate levels in foods. All grains are high in oxalates unless the fiber and the brand has been removed and even then they may have oxalates. Potatoes and sweet potatoes are higher in oxalate Swiss Chard is higher in oxalate spinach is one of the highest green plants high in oxalate raspberries are higher in oxalate than blackberries etcetera you have to look up each individual food. There are many entries and comments in here about Sally Kay Norton's book toxic superfoods she has come out recently with a companion book The Toxic superfood book came out in 2022. The companion book which unfortunately I don't have the name right off the top of my head you can find it on Amazon because both of her books are on their. And it lists out foods and their oxalate levels so you can identify if it's low oxalate, medium oxalate, high, or very very high oxalate foods. I do remember different interviews on different podcasts with Sally Kay Norton and she was explaining that instead of just taking a list that was found she actually went back to original scientific research on the oxalate levels of foods and that's what she's included in this companion book. I haven't gotten through it yet but it should be a big help on choosing what to eliminate and what to keep in your diet if you're not doing full carnivore
Some of the oxalate toxicity in oxalate dumping symptoms include the excretion out of your skin of small oxalate crystals, a snow white powder which is also oxalate excretions out of the corners of your eyes eyelid Stones as well. All of these are related to the accumulation of oxalate crystals and as you decrease your oxalate intake, your body goes into housekeeping mode and says great now I can finally get rid of this crap instead of just storing it and wherever I can get it out of your reach! You just have to slowly and carefully decrease the oxalates a little bit of a time. It's similar to when there is an overgrowth of yeast when you start killing the yeast off which is called yeast overgrowth your body can only tolerate a certain quantity of it at a time so you have to give your body Grace it has been trying to save you for years. Decrease or eliminate immediately the really high oxalate and very high oxalates. they recommend decreasing your oxalate foods 5 to 10% out of each category a little bit at a time but getting rid of the higher oxalate foods the most of them first. Because it's going to take awhile and there may be a brief period of time once you start carnivore when you feel amazing but then when the fat starts to come off like I said it's going to dump that stuff back into your bloodstream and you want to get it out of the body and your body will get rid of it one way or the other urine, colon, or out through your skin. Your skin is one of the largest organs in your body and it is an excretory organ.
Is it possible that going on a carnivore diet, everything gets better after a few weeks, but than after a year on carnivore, the real dumping of oxalates starts again, eye burning, like sand in the eyes, back pain, horrible and so on.
@@boomerang0101 Honestly, I don´t know. My symptoms can be also because of iron overload. Who knows? The symptoms they combine with oxalates are similar to the symptoms of iron overload which can occur on the carnivore diet.
@@boomerang0101 I already did it a few weeks back, but the symptomes are still the same. I am doing this extrem diet because of chronic back, knee pain. I went vegan for four years, but it did not help with my health problems. Now I am doing the carnivore thing. Before all that I was eating "normal" or what is considered normal in todays society. With carnivore, the chronic back pain went away for months, but now I have these symptoms as described. Burning eyes, burning face skin, back and knee pain etc.
What is your opinion of taking diatomeceous earth and zeolite powder? They bind to oxalates and help my digestion issues. Zeolite is my preferred choice. What makes me nervous is that I don't know exactly what is in them. I am now starting to think my digestive issues are because of too many oxalates. I will start to change my diet as of today.
Hyper- & Hypothyroidism is normally the result of an iodine deficiency. You can reduce the harmful effects of certain vegetables, by fermenting it with unrefined salt and whey obtained from milk kefir
Are we talking the same thing as salicylates? The effects certainly seem to be the same. I was diagnosed with salicylate sensitivity over thirty years ago and have been virtually a carnivore ever since. Brisbane. It seems, the word "Salicylate" seems to have gone into obscurity. The condition was very real.
Perhaps some of the symptoms are similar but it is a different chemical structure causing the problems, just like those that have histamine intolerance it's a different chemical as well produced by the cells in your body in as an inflammatory response to something that saying hey you should not be having this.
Great question. There’s some debate, but generally the answer would be ‘not overly high’. Realistically 1 avo a day isn’t going to cause oxalate issues.
I've had calcium stones, won't a high meat diet give you high uric acid levels. I need to know because I would like to go on a carnivore diet. Thanks, Al
I can not tell you for sure, but a lot of the anti meat research is very rigged and bias. Blame the meat in the hamburger meal instead of the high sugar bun, ketchup, fries in seed oil and pop. But by the Adventist cult food industry always blame the meat. Crazy, but very rich cult. Think Kellogg and Post. Most nutritional studies in North America are Adventist. Harvard sold their scientific soul to the Adventist cult agenda over half a century ago. Their latest study says red meat causes diabetes. Other scientists, using the same data and methods were able to show that water causes cirrhosis of the liver. So stay away from the demon drink water 😅.
There are a couple of gut bacteria that 'eat' oxykates but most people no longer have a diverse enough gut bacteria to have these varieties 😢 Elliot Overton on EONutrition on RUclips has great info on this.
Maybe the 3 years old girl was breast feeding by her mother, and the mother eat a lots of veggies high in oxalate, and maybe when the mother was pregnant with her, she eat a lots of oxalate food, that was passed to the baby ?. What it’s really good for me it’s keto, carnivore and curcumin for pain, FANTASTIC! . Does fruit got oxalate too?
Some fruits are pretty bad like kiwis and starfruit. Some others are Ok I think but you can get the book Toxic Superfoods or just search for oxalate charts. 😺
Yes fruit does have oxalates but just like all the other foods they are different quantities. The fruits that tend to have more oxalates have them around their seeds. For example kiwi has high oxalates and a heck of a lot of seeds. It also has lactate in it so if someone is latex intolerant he was going to affect him in a big way, just like mangoes and bananas can because they also have latex. But off of that sidetrack yes, there are oxalates in fruits and just like vegetables some are low oxalate some are medium some are high some are very high oxalates. Previously in the olden days we did not eat nearly as many sweets and berries and fruits were around on a seasonal basis only so our body had time to detox and get things out of our systems and the main reasons they were eating was not only because they tasted good but also they fattened us up for the winter. But now supermarkets have all these fruits year round. Many of them modified. So it's very important to just research the food. And there's a lot of discrepancy out there on the internet about what is high and what is low oxalates. Check out The Low Oxalate Kitchen, The Wizards of Ox (the admin moderators have more than 20 plus years of research on oxalates and know what the heck they're talking about; and lots and lots of resources available under their files section on their page. There is also: TLO-Carnivore (for those doing carnivore and suddenly a couple of weeks or months into the diet realize something is going wrong and it's because you're not eating the oxalate foods anymore so your body's housekeeping system hired new housekeepers and started The dumping process trying to get it out out out out out out out of your body). Unfortunately they are very very enthusiastic housekeepers without brains and they have a tendency to do too much at once and that's where the dumping some come from, and if not then carefully slowly and gradually as recommended on these other oxalate expert channels, you then get the dumping symptoms and some of them could be severe enough to put you in the hospital! So slow and steady wins the race
By most sources they are ‘high’, but high is considered anything about 10mg / 100g, which actually isn’t that high at all. If yours eat them occasionally it likely won’t matter.
both arms, ankles and my neck. Started in full force 21/2 years after going carnivore. Super itchy skin, tiny tiny grains of white crystals coming out of my skin. Im on my third round of this. It is lessoning but still very annoying. You arent alone.
Yet, the leafy green shown on this thumbnail, arugula, is known to be very low level of oxalates. Might even be the lowest of them all...why not use spinach??
Interesting about the content on menstruation and menopause. When you think about it the females going through a monthly dump of a significant amount of blood which is also where calcium and magnesium circulate and if you are depleted in magnesium and calcium because of oxalate binding with it it would make sense that it would increase the symptoms. I know that adding magnesium to my diet really alleviated a lot of my symptoms when I was younger but I wasn't doing the high oxalate diet saying that has been pushed for the last 50 years. I wasn't doing all kinds of green smoothies, I didn't have loads and loads of access to high oxalate foods like chocolate and nuts. Just once in a while. But I was also anemic and had very low iron so there's a careful balance of minerals and electrolytes in our body. And if one of them goes out of whack the rest can go out of whack and if they are made to go out of whack because of oxalate binding, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised!!
Thank you Dr. Khirwadkar. You're solid gold. Sally's book would be great but my eyesight isn't good enough to read a book anymore. I have enough trouble with my huge screen. It sounds great though. People should buy it.
Reupload as the editing went a bit wrong on the last one! Do you know about Oxalates? Do you know the dangers they might be causing you? Did you know they are associated with a multitude of problems including cancer?
They causing you death that danger 😂
Yeah, I had the famous kidney stone terrible pain
And they want to blame red meat for cancer. Humans have been eating meat from the start.
WOW - i had to add this to the start - i just saw the part where you talked about crust on the eyelids - then i remembered i had that a couple of times several months ago and forgot all about it
have not had any vax since the us navy in 1978 - and no antibiotics
at age 64 - 3 years ago - did not have a doctor - no cold or flu in over 20 years - no prescriptions - i suddenly became weak with chronic muscle fatigue symptoms and brain fog - went to doctor all blood work normal except tsh was 4.1 - the previous year - i was experiencing bradycardia - after 6 months tsh was 5.1 - then a year later it was 7.0 and a year later it was 9.1 - finally i got the doctor ( usa veteran's administration ) to prescribe medicine - levothyroxine -
- well - to back up to a few months after i first got chronically fatigued - i went on carnivore diet - it DID NOT help - i did lose 30 pounds in 2 years though - but after i got the prescription - i did another web search for oxalate / thyroid - to try to find a correlation since i had been eating A LOT of raw nuts every day for many years before i became ill - those nuts were my snack during carnivore - and also popcorn every day - i was eating two hands full of pistachios - a small hand full of pumpkin seeds - handful of pecans - handful of walnuts - and was eating a lot of almonds until i found out they were very high oxalates -
- so after searching - i once again found - no definitive link between oxalates and thyroid damage - blah blah blah - but since i had not been on any prescription before - i decided not to take the levothyroxine and STOP eating nuts altogether - ( i REALLY did NOT want to do that )
- 6 months later - my tsh was down to 5.0 and i am starting find some relief from the muscle fatigue -
- and also - i forgot to mention - i was having TERRIBLE psoriasis on my face and ears - and it has cleared up now
- i am going to get another blood test in a couple of weeks -
- i am convinced that stopping eating nuts and other oxalate foods helped my thyroid recover - that is the only thing that stopped the tsh value from climbing
- 2 years on carnivore did not help at all - until i stopped eating the nuts -
- since my doctor is so busy and i have no medical indications - i only have visits about every 8 months or so
I had the thumb pain before I knew about oxalates. Dr removed a bone at the bottom of my thumb in the wrist 😢
Thank you for your video. I'm a 57 year old male and have been suffering with Interstitial Cystitis (with Hunners Lesions) for over four years. I've been to four Urologists and have had numerous treatments, prescriptions, and Pelvic Floor Therapy. Nothing really helped and it was debilitative to the extent that I couldn't go on any longer. I had severe pain in my groin, I passed urinary blood constantly, and at times it was difficult to even walk upright. Not one doctor every brought up diet so I decided to go on an elimination diet. That's how I found the Carnivore Diet. I went 100% in and dealt with the carb. withdrawals. My symptoms started to get better with two weeks, and now (six months later) I'm practically pain free (I mean like 90-95% better). I brought up the theory of Oxalates and IC and he seemed interested, but had never heard of that correlation before. I'm not going back to a urologist any time soon. The Urologist, before the current one I was seeing, was ready to implant a TENS unit into my back to help me with the pain. All it would have taken to help me was to ask me what I was eating and educate themselves on oxalates. I'm anxious to see how I feel six months from now. Good luck to you all.
horrible you had such symptoms, I imagine as a male you were also not taken seriously for a long time. So happy Carnivore helped you, and like you I suspect it's the oxalates it's removed. Sad isn't it though that your doctor didn't really seem interested in how you cured this seemingly incurable condition. Beggars belief!
Pretty unbelievable. Glad you're doing much better!
How have you dealt with the oxalate dumping? I went carnivore (9 months in now) and did not want to eat low oxalate. I got horrible rashes and sharp (so bad I could not walk) joint pains that would pop out of nowhere.
I did then read Sally's book but chose to drink potassium citrate in an electrolyte mix to bind and remove them. I did not want to keep eating the oxalate foods other than decaf.
@catcan221 is decaf coffee a problem? I drink coffee in the morning, but switch to decaf after 2 or 3 cups. I thought Sally said coffee is okay (tea has oxalates).
I've had my own oxalate nightmare, which included multiple visits for back pain, MRI showing a 2+ cm kidney stone, tooth removal, parathyroid removal, and an osteopenia diagnosis. I do suffer mid life migraines, thumb arthritis, breast issues, vulvodinia, and a myriad of white head bumps surfacing all over, but mostly on my face and scalp. Things are improving since reading and following Sally's book.
No doctor guided me away from oxalates in any of this bumpy miserable journey😢
All from being vegetarian, trying to keep myself healthy, drinking daily green smoothies (bushels of spinach and other greens, sweet potatoes, etc)
I still eat salads. Just keep it to low oxalate salads....
@@jellybeanvinkler4878 So sorry to hear of your struggles. I am no expert on oxalates, having just learned, as you have. I don't seem to have a problem with Swiss water-decaf coffee.
I read Norton's book but I chose not to continue consuming oxalates because I felt it would just prolong the excess in my tissues and slow the detox down. I know we can make our own oxalates but constantly consuming them is of no value, to me personally. Obviously, you need to follow your medical professional's advice and then make your own judgment call. Mine were unaware of oxalates in context of people other than those with kidney stones following a low ox diet. So I had to seek out more informed professionals. What I did read was that the medical establishment does recommend consuming citrates to bind to oxalates and safely excrete them.
I chose to drink a potassium citrate based electrolyte mix daily to bind them as they make their way out of my body. It seems to help me and I have had very few dumping episodes since. If I do feel I am dumping on more rare occasions now (strange stabbing pains in joints, etc.) I increase my electrolyte water intake and that seems to help. I don't go too much over because citrates can cause digestive issues.
Excellent presentation, thank you!
I am 61 years old and had fibromyalgia and interstitial cystitis for 30 years. Also low iron, depression, and trigger fingers. It got worse on keto, as the keto docs promotes eating almonds. I was eating almond biscuits topped with almond butter along with a glass of almond milk. Sally Norton said that almond biscuits are oxalate bombs!
I also ate spinach, sweet potatoes, dark chocolate and drank black tea.
Now after ketovore/low oxalate I have zero pain, trigger fingers healed, as did the depression. For the first time in my adult life, my iron is in the normal range.
I am a retired pathologists' assistant and used to spend my days dissecting people and people parts. I used to see pockets of small brown stones in prostate glands. They were noted but not analyzed. I wondered what they were made of?
I also wonder what percentage of the crystals in atherosclerotic plaques are oxalates? Oxalate crystals look similar to cholesterol crystals (from degraded red blood cell membranes in the clots that form plaques). Standard tissue processing dissolves both kinds of crystals and the pathologist sees the needle-like forms where the crystals were.
There are alternate processing techniques that would preserve the crystals and a special stain (Alizarin Red S) that could be used to identify the oxalate crystals, but it is never ordered.
WOW, great, great details and information
I can 100 % attest to that! 23 years on disability and bedridden bcs of it. And Im a nutritional therapist that ate "healthier" than anyone else I knew. The sicker I got, the "healthier" I ate...and the sicker I got. It didn't make any sense! Thank God that I found Sally K Norton. I've been to over 40 of her classes. I'm 2 years low oxalate now and with my background I have several more years of clearing/dumping to go. Some things have really improved so I'm on the right path.🎉
What improvements have you seen?
That many classes? Why? I ate “healthy” plant diets trying to heal my autoimmune diseases, and I only got worse, and collected more autoimmune diseases. Lovely. Now trying to figure out why my arthritis is now worse than ever after 3 months on this diet. Are you improving still? What’s improved?
Love that, a nutritional therapist that was so sick from their diet it made them bedridden for years. The irony.
Same here. Just started to eliminate.
@@suew4609 try carnivore
Went on a keto diet and foolishly started to make desserts and bread with almond flour. I lost 18 kgs but when I stopped eating almond bread , cake and almonds themselves I started to get milky white urine, joint pains and my eyes felt like needles were in them. My teeth also started to produce white flecks when I flossed. I thought my enamel was flaking. Then I stumbled across Sally Norton and went AHA....Oxylate dumping. No more almonds or spinach ( or most plants) for me. The world owes Sally a huge debt. Buy the book....its amazing. Good Job Doc.
“Went on a keto diet,” that’s the first red flag 😂
Why do the UGLIEST souls always do (non vegan) keto 😂
most plants ok though,dont go to the extreme just avoid oxalates
Me too
Her book toxic superfoods came out in 2022. She now has a companion book that I just got off of Amazon haven't had a chance to get through it all yet listing out foods item by item with more accurate levels of oxalate so you can really tell whether it's a low medium high or very high oxalate food so you can immediately start eliminating the high and very high dropping down slowly and gradually all everything including mediums and down to the low oxalates instead of having conflicting information from all over the place.
Thank you - Five years ago I began smoothies and salads and eating what I thought was good. Stopped junk foods no chips no cookies watched sugar intake. Then started getting UTI’s and the smell was horrific and I was embarrassed. I’m 51 years old and never had them before. Would go on antibiotics for a week, everything cleared up. Then boom back again. I was told it’s my lifestyle. I’ve have PPMS and never had UTI’s before so my lifestyle really ??? Fast forward to present 02/2024, I came across-information I thought was interesting- Oxalate ?? So after watching the video’s and then more videos then came across Sally Norton- I have since removed all the supposed good stuff: kale, sweet potatoes, spinach, celery, etc and I have had no issues. No UTI’s aka: Bladder infection. It is going on 3 months and I could not be happier. Again thanks so much for sharing. This is the stuff that needs to be talked about but due to helping people before they become to their death bed not much will change. Ironically, the food we consume does make us ill over decades of eating the stuff you wind up going to your deathbed. Have a good day 👍
You are the first carnivore diet dr/youtuber who explained oxalates in such great detail. And despite the length I am enjoying your sessions!
Another good one is Elliot Overton. His is the first ever video I saw on oxalates November 17th 2023) and I was shocked! I love dark chocolate and almonds. I cut them out immediately and other high OX foods as well. I was already cutting out all grains and especially after watching Dr. Peter Osbornes video on why a Gluten Free diet sometimes doesn't work. Fascinating topics!
@@leannet3854 thanks. I do need to work on condensing them a bit I think! I’m just about to release my new channel - 5 minute fix.
I have to agree with the oxalates. I am now 43 years old and all my life growing up as a child until adulthood I had vulva vestibulitis. As soon as I found out about oxalates I immediately lowered my consumption and All my pain and burning of the vulva finally went away. I also had reoccurring bladder infections.
It upsets me that none of my doctors were ever able to figure this out.
I found out about this information on the show The Doctors years ago from the gynecologist Lisa Masterson. All my life I was told vegetables are good for me and I used to eat out of the garden all the time as a kid. I guess, the way I look at it now is, better late than never on finding this information out. 😊 I also had rheumatoid arthritis as well
so happy you found a solution. these oxalates are nasty buggers
@@ThemeatmedicNasty Buggers....is that now the official medical term?...😂
@@ianstuart5660if you are British then yes, it's correct 😊.
Totally nasty buggers 😂from Australia
It's not a far-fetched Notion that doctors didn't think about oxalates when your symptoms were inflammation of your vulva? Most doctors aren't even aware of what oxalates are much less trying to solve your problem by leaving them out. Doctors aren't generally educated about diet anyway, so blaming them for not knowing is NO different than YOU not knowing.
You’re quickly becoming a favorite channel … great presentation style. Interesting guests and stories.
I’m in the US - almost 62. Lost about 40 pounds. Currently 5’8 and 175 pounds. Started carnivore to drop weight, improve BP, and do what I could to avoid cancer and dementia (my mom died due to effects of dementia). I’m retired US Navy. It was easy staying lean and fit while on active duty, but the pounds crept in over the years. Calorie counting left me walking around starving all the time. Man, this carnivore diet is fantastic
LostMyM0M2earlyFromThisSameDisorder😢.
I have Oxalate poisoning from my superfood smoothies I thought were good for me, it takes 10 years to clear the nano crystals, I am getting close to 9 more years eating the Carnivore way, I am feeling better and getting stronger my eyes have improved. I have Sally K Norton’s wonderful book.
Her book is incredible. Really opened my eyes to oxalates.
Well that’s sobering and important to understand and settle into the journey.
@@ThemeatmedicIt has helped me understand why I am not just bouncing back. I tried Redmond’s Chili Lime it has been a week and I am still reacting to it.
10 years! Ugh
This oxalate dumping sucks
30 days in
@@LeapOfFaaaithI don’t think so can tolerate the pain from this dumping! I’m already on morphine because of autoimmune diseases, and this is worse than the pain I was having. My pain is amplified, too, from fibromyalgia and idiopathic neuropathies. Ugh!
I went 'mostly' carnivore 2 years ago.... lost 30 pounds and psoriasis completely disappeared
Joint issues, arthritis, bursitis, and rough scaly skin (especially on face) have been the results of my massive oxalate consumption.
Oxalate is a metabolite of vitamin C. That means you can actually avoid the production of a part of oxalate in your body by avoiding overdosing vitamin C.
Linus Pauling must be turning in his grave!
@@ianstuart5660 lol
@@ianstuart5660 I've been overdosing on vitamin C for fifty years now. No problems with kidney stones(or anything else, on zero medication). The body does not 'excrete' vitamin C. That is to say that there is no ACTIVE mechanism by which the body voids vitamin C. When the serum level is above saturated then the amount of C that is washing out with water exceeds the micro-tubules ability to pump it back into the body, and it is excreted in the urine. The body is never 'trying' to get rid of vitamin C, it is desperately trying to retain all that it can.
I believe that it is shown at
Vitamin C and Cardiovascular Disease: An Update - PubMed
that at least 2000 mg (2 gm) is beneficial for 75 Kg human.
N.B. The above link is 'real science' not internet raving.
Yeah I bet! I would always take lots and lots of vitamin C if I felt I was coming down with something. Now it's "Be afraid...be very afraid!"@@ianstuart5660
Bruh back in 2022 I took 1-2g of vitamin c (acerola cherry powder) daily thinking it was boosting my immunity and skin health.
I ended up getting a kidney stone four months later and then some mild ED. Horrible pains.
Apparently vitamin c releases oxalates when it gets metabolized by the body. These oxalates then combine with calcium and form calcium oxalate stones.
I got my kidney stone analyzed and it was indeed a calcium oxalate stone.
And now I hear people following some Linus Pauling therapy of high dose vitamin C. I call bs.
Vicious bloody things. Before I started carnivore I had no chance. Between Oxilates and heavy liver damage I was doomed. Can you possibly imagine what I was going through? 😨
I have a few patient with significant issues so i have some insight, but I’ve not been through them myself so no I can’t really. 🤗
I always laugh when people call the carnivore diet being "restrictive". Really? Eating different meats, eggs, fish, and maybe cheese is restrictive? How about having chronic inflammation, joint pain, IBS, GERDS, insomnia, depression, diabetes, and so much more. I find THOSE to be restrictive on my life, not eating a bit of meat instead of sugary junk or going to any restaurant I want. Being in amazing health and curing several chronic diseases is not restrictive, it's liberating.
Well said, thankyou.
Absolutely! Carnivore really makes you see food as a tool, although you enjoy it too. We eat to live, not live to eat.
Have you healed from all of those things you’ve mentioned? I’ve been on Carnivore 3 months and I’ve having worse pain than I was on my several autoimmune diseases. My arthritis has flared so much worse than before. Is this normal? How long does it last?
@@suew4609 are you eating just meat? Or are you also including dairy products like coffee creamer, milk, butter, cheese? Try red fatty meat and water for a month and incorporate a bone broth fast too! I was a month in and began oxalate dumping in the form of kidney stones! It was intense. Then shortly after I had gall stones pass and learned I needed to incorporate more animal fat. I eat 1 gram of protein per desired body weight and 2 grams of fat per desired body weight, and it was a slow and steady adjustment...I ate too much fat at once and had atrocious loose stool all night. Your body is in healing mode and it is purging and reacting to sudden new changes (that is, your immune system in your gut is reacting to sudden change in the type of fat and macros you are introducing) Perhaps easing yourself into the Carnivore would benefit in the long run.
Stared & did keto 4 months but was still eating high oxalates almonds and cashews and raspberries was still having some digestive issues ibs bloating ect... Switched to carnivore 3 weeks ago to try to isolate and then bring back vegetables to see what was irritating my gut about 4 days in on carnivore oxilate dumping started happening in my joints things that had been feeling great started hurting again... I had started watching videos about carnivore and a few people had mentioned oxalate dumping but i knew nothing about them then stumbled on Sally Norten video and all of a sudden it all made sense! Your video and a few others are making it more and more clear whats going on and what i need to remove from my diet. So thankful for all the doctors and health practitioners who put these videos out there! regular doctors are of very little use in metabolic medicine and im finding most illnesses and problems are caused by metabolic problems!
Are u still carnivore how are u doing?
Are u still dumping?
No I'm more keto vore now eliminated almonds cashews and really focusing on limiting high oxalates foods and also added calcium supplement when I do eat oxalates... I have been adding iodine daily that seemed to help allot with my low energy levels.
I have a theory on oxalate dumping. It may be correct that the body does dumping in stages to prevent over loading the body and protect from toxicity.
I also believe there is a link between oxalate inflammation and constipation. Gastric cardiology is an emerging field.... The more I look into this the more I am convinced that every single ailment is caused by putting the wrong things into the mouth.
I think your last sentence is 100% correct. diet is the fundamental cause of most, if not almost all chronic health issues. I also you think you may be correct on the dumping being protective to an extent, it does seem to occur whenever the body gets the greenlight so to speak.
It dumps because your organs cant filter it out!
The body puts the oxalates all over preventing them from settling in the kidneys as stones. That’s remarkable. The dumping is fascinating and mysterious. I started my healing journey eith a severe dump - double eye conjunctivitis after 2 months of spinach and swiss chard eating, cooked. A month after that i began carnivore, slowly. Now 9 months in and chronic diarrhea for 2 months. Definitely dumping. Feeling like it’s calming down a bit. I’ve increased the ox foods to slow it down. Chocolate, black/green tea, slippery elm powder, cinnamon. Mineral baths, lotsa mineral supplementing. I want the ox out.
Sally K Norton says that it takes up to 5 years to dump all oxalates. You'll be fine. Keep going. Great metabolic health will be yours.@@olgakuchukov6981
@@olgakuchukov6981why are you taking green tea and cinnamon etc if you want oxalates out?
Thank you for this video! It is perfect timing to help me explain oxalates to my brother-in-law. I was explaining to him last how I eliminated four plus high oxalate foods from my diet (that I ate almost every day) via Carnivore improved my life dramatically. I was able to explain the basics about oxalates and dumping, but you did a superb job in documenting and explaining it. FYI-The foods I was consuming and eliminated were: spinach, sweet potatoes, turmeric, and chocolate. I still consume coffee, because I didn't want to bring on excessive dumping too rapidly. It doesn't have anything to do with the fact that I love coffee. 😉
😅 let’s face it sometimes coffee is just needed
@@ThemeatmedicAbsolutely!
I am ketovore and will cut back on nuts. Cashews are almost as bad as spinach😢.
@ActivateMission2ThisTimeline If you need a temporary replacement for cashews, try Macadamia nuts. They're not as bad, and are high-fat. I packed about a dozen daily for work lunch and eventually eliminated them when I went OMAD.
Coffe is low ox, according to Sally Norton.
I'm so glad to see this, as i can relate to the person who couldn't tolerate carnivore. I've been doing it for over 3 months & can't tolerate it either & didn't know what change to make. Found this just on time, & will gradually reintroduce some low oxalate vegetables & see how it goes. Excited to change route.
I recall as a child I woke up one morning unable to open my eyes. My mother bathed them with warm water, problem solved and not much was thought about it.... Fast forward to a few months ago when I went from a Keto diet to a Carnivore diet, I woke up one morning unable to open my left eye, my eye was very sore the previous day. Co-incidentally I had just watched a carnivore vlog the previous night where a woman was talking about what happened to her with Oxalate dumping, so I knew right away what caused it. I bathed it in warm water and...problem solved.
Thinking back to my childhood, we were quite poor so lived off the land as much as possible. I suspect mum had put in a lot of greens over winter and we lived off them, when the season was over, back to other foods. I don't recall it ever happening again, nor do I recall my siblings having any problems, but it certainly did happen to me as a child. Also...nice to have an answer to what had happened so long ago....:)
Celery is high in oxalates and that list on that web site has them as low oxalates.
not sure what list that is, but I've noticed a lot of differences between lists I've checked online! I wish Sally had one on her website, b/c I'd go with her, as she's done more research than anyone I know!
I think you should do a trial on line with 10 people on line and review the progress over six week. This would be interesting
It would be. I’m hoping next year to start some things like this, but for now I’m working with my f2f patients. Almost all see dramatic improvements in their health.
Thanks for sharing all of this. I'm reading Sally's book now. Tried carnivore and lost some weight, but both my husband and I found it brought challenges with it that we weren't comfortable with. Namely, low energy and symptoms of low blood sugar. I bought some salt supplements, but we just can't afford the better ones on a regular basis for two people. Besides, if I have to supplement in order to avoid feeling light-headed, that doesn't seem to be sustainable nor the optimal path.
I have cold-induced histamine intolerance, so I'm familiar with a fairly unexplored physical reaction to foods. I got a kidney stone about 3 years ago, but didn't know what kind. This path of educating myself on oxalates has been so illuminating. After Paul Saladino's hitch in his carnivore path over to including some fruits into his diet, I'm even more ok with adding some fruit and vegetables to a primarily meat based diet. This recent piece of the puzzle, oxalates, is helping me to tailor my plan. Again, thank you!
You don't need to pay for expensive electrolyte supplements, you can just add a good quality salt to some water. Add a squeeze of lemon or lime to make a delicious drink 😊
@anothercampervanchannel wouldn't potassium be missing?
Did you transition slowly? If not, it'd take 6 months for your gut to get its act together. If so, the below may apply.
That said, yeah, the beginning is rough. It sounds like you two are undereating, which is very easy to do if you're coming from any other diet and you're not used to having higher amounts of fat. I had the extra same issue when I started (no transition) and I was constantly fatigued, tired, headaches, no energy, etc. Still have trouble sometimes and it's generally due to undereating thanks to low digestion and my gallbladder not used to anything but low fat (plus, I have histamine intolerance too and it's a PIA fr).
Try eating smaller but more frequent meals (2MAD or 3MAD) to get your digestion perked up. You can try ACV/lemon water but it may cause histamine issues for you.
Re: electrolytes, you can use Redmond's Real Salt and that seems to work well for people. I use their electrolyte powder but its more expensive than their salt. I'd suggest just the salt and maybe checking out Ken Berry and iodine to see if that could help with energy levels too.
Just wanted to share some tips I've learned during my year doing carnivore and struggling.
@@weridplusho thank you! I really appreciate all of your tips and experience.
@go2therock Oh yes, I add potassium too. Cheaper to buy a big bag from amazon that lasts months, than but the electrolytes, I think 🤔
For years my favorite foods were those very high in oxalates. I am hoping I am coming toward the end of dumping them after 8 months with a carnivore WOE. I am so grateful to Sally Norton for teaching me about them.Her book is great. It got even worse when I went on a gluten free diet which really helped for 15 years, but led me to using almond flour for all baked goods. I loved Swiss Chard, spinach, rhubarb, potatoes, etc.
Yeah what the duck. How are there life long vegetarians with none of these problems? So confusing.
@@Broken_robot1986 I bet they have the problem but are blaming it on many other factors! Arthritis, age, the beef they ate last week, etc!
Got diagnosed with hypothyroidism in January 2023. Went keto then carnivore and in August my TSH was 2.75. Took the meds for 1 week but immediately developed insomnia so I quit. Side note I had H. Pylori and got rid of it which according to the internet of things can sometimes cause hashimotos.
Here's a ChatGPT summary:
- The speaker claims that hypothyroidism can potentially be cured with a low-oxalate diet, contrary to previous beliefs that it is incurable.
- Oxalates are naturally occurring compounds found mostly in plants and are produced by humans in small quantities, especially during stress.
- Oxalates are considered anti-nutrients and can form needle-like structures that may cause discomfort and health issues, such as kidney stones.
- Common symptoms of oxalate toxicity include brain fog, fatigue, nausea, gut issues, muscle pain, thyroid problems, recurrent UTIs, joint pain, and autoimmune activation.
- Oxalates can interfere with nutrient absorption, leading to deficiencies in iron and calcium, and potentially causing osteoporosis.
- The speaker suggests that oxalates may contribute to various health issues, including arthritis, gout, thyroid problems, and even cancer.
- There is no definitive test for oxalate problems; diagnosis is typically based on clinical smptoms and dietary response.
- Treatment involves reducing oxalate intake through diet, with options for gradual reduction or a more immediate, strict approach like a carnivore diet.
- Oxalate dumping syndrome can occur when oxalates are rapidly released from the body, causing symptoms like kidney pain, rashes, and joint inflammation.
- Foods high in oxalates include spinach, rhubarb, beetroot, nuts, seeds, grains, potatoes, and sweet potatoes.
- The speaker recommends a staged reduction in oxalate intake to avoid dumping syndrome and suggests that improvements in symptoms can take days to months.
- Case studies are presented where patients experienced significant health improvements on a low-oxalate diet, including reduced pain, improved mental health, and decreased symptoms of chronic conditions.
- The speaker emphasizes the potential link between oxalates and various medical conditions, including ADHD, autism, and certain cancers, though acknowledges the lack of hard scientific evidence.
- Main message: Reducing dietary oxalates may alleviate a wide range of health issues, including autoimmune and chronic pain conditions, though more research is needed to fully understand their impact.
Thank you so much for taking the time to make those notes
It is very helpful
Very interesting, good in depth content with appropriate levels of hunility
Carnivore here, previously diagnosed with PMDD, chronic depression, anxiety, etc. Carnivore is absolutely the cure. - I'm just not at the end of your video, and I'm also autistic with many improved symptoms since going carnivore.
Listening now! Interested to hear any info on oxalates and Dupuytren’s that you might be aware of.
not aware of anything specifically, but Oxalates have been linked to fibrosis (lung), possibly other fibrotic illnesses.
As a nurse that really caught my attention, that would be absolutely fascinating to to learn about. I used to work in an orthopedic clinic at a VA and we had to treat many many people with Dupuytren's that they could really really mess up your hands.
I am a Hyperthyroïdie patient with metastatic cancer I do not want surgery or medications because they have major consequences because heavy poisons are used and went carnivoor. My T.S.H was 0.005 T4 28.58 T3 7.72 I am not always have been strikt on the lifestile but after 7 months the results now looks like this T.SH.0.01 T3 7.4 T4 20.6. Plants are killing you! And yes I was 15 years végétarien.
Wow!
Thanks for telling us your story!
Next time your physician or nurse practitioner orders labs for you, request that besides TSH and just generic T3 and T4 that the physician also requests total T3 and total T4 as well as free T3 and free T4 and then lastly Reverse T3. Those levels actually provide a whole lot more information for the doctor who knows how to interpret them, then just TSH alone.
What’s worse? Oxalates? Industrial seed oils? Sugar? These seem to be the big 3 offenders but how much do they overlap?
Thanks for the St Joseph list. Very helpful. My eyelids and corners of my mouth are affected. A new level today with most of my face puffy. I have Sally's book and will be reading it today.
250 mg is very low oxalate diet! the reduction and oxalate dumping is not like oh well i just feel sore or something....you can go through serious inflammation and that can be long term...this can kill you!
What do you mean?
I feel like it’s killing me right now! My pain level is so high. I jumped into the diet because no one I listened to stressed this oxalate problem. I have added about 20-30 mg back but it’s not doing much of anything. I guess I need to add more. It’s rough going through this after having chronic pain for 20+ years.
Makes me wonder if there are oxalates in immunizations/vaccinations!?
I do wonder why *ovi* vaccines seems to trigger things so much, and I'm wondering if it's a stress response trigger oxalate production. Impossible to know, just a theory. probably off base, but an interesting thought.
Good point
I feel we could all do without chemical where possible and chemicals are what they are. Plants have defences, they can't run away so they find ways to do harm or kill.
Great vid Doc. Thank you
Very welcome
Thank you for yesterday consult. Stuart for Sydenham
My pleasure!
Got rid of my keratosis pilaris by going low oxalate. Had it since a child on my upper arms. Brill!
I’ve heard that one before too!
That's from vit A toxicity.
Dumped oxalates for 7 months almost non-stop after stopping all oxalates, had all the symptoms, but they didn't all go away. Found out I have CIRS. Have very little oxalate dumping now, but still have a lot of symptoms because of CIRS.
What is CIRS?
@@janetprice1368 Chronic inflammatory response syndrome. A common genetic condition with multiple systems involved and many symptoms. Lots of great videos on RUclips about it from Judy Cho, EO Nutrition, Dr. Andrew Heyman and The CIRS Group podcast.
@gailivey2015 thanks!!
@@gailivey2015Judy and Elliot are great sources of information!
Great video. Yes, the oxilate conclusion correlates with the stated health problems. Eureka!
If oxalates cause kidney stones and joint pain, could they be damaging the epithelial layer in the heart causing CAD?
If you read Sally K Nortons book she explains where and how the body sequesters the crystals. They get stored EVERYWHERE, including the brain, the eyes. Everywhere.
I'm so glad i found this. Over 3 months on carnivore & I hate it, despite noticing some positive but subtle changes in my cfs symptoms. I can't sustain carnivore.
Hi from Ingham North Queensland, 5 years carnivor. Had kidney stones 4 years ago and again just now. I had been on a very high oxalate diet for many years. I have assumed the stones were there from the start and are now moving because they have got smaller being on a clean diet. What do you think?
not direct medical advice, but it's possible the makings of the stones were there and building, hard to tell, could also be due to oxalate dumping and new formation. hopefully you aren't in too much pain or trouble with them. Citric acid would probably help, but you probably should see a doctor too.
By just now I ment last week. I know the feeling of a stone coming on now and if the pain last to long I need medical help. It a long story but I don't have a doctor l trust, the last one tried to kill me. Learning about carnivor saved my life. Where is your practice located, I feel I could trust you.
Bad Dr's can injure0rWorse.
@@Themeatmedicchanca piedra is great to break up the stones
Life is getting real scary now. Ima just pray and do my best to make things work for me. You try to do the right thing and still seem to do the wrong thing. 🙏 to everyone dealing with this oxalates deal.
Only came across your channel today. I have watched Anthony Chaffee and Ken Berry and some other carnivore people.
I've had tinnitus for around 20 or more years, I went carnivore last May, about a month and half in,my tinnitus was so much worse, to calm ot down I had to add back in some carbs, but it's still torturing me. I wear Bluetooth headphones on a constant basis. I would give or do just about anything to make it stop
Tammy for tinnitus -mine comes and goes. When I hear one coming on, I noticed it’s often when I’ve been sitting quietly and breathing shallowly. Take some deep breaths. Don’t make yourself faint, but try deep breaths for a couple of minutes and see if there’s any change. God bless.
Those Bluetooth headphones are so dangerous
@@iloveseaglass yes,but they keep me from killing myself
@@tammyc1812 o, yea & that is exactly what the dark-side wants, try extra magnesium, iodine & Borax, it might help, mag & iodine get toxins out, Bx helps build new sells & with mag. get calcium out of soft tissue...also try your blood group diet...i'm so healthy the dark-side tries to kill me 6 years now, haha
Excellent info . Thanks
My ASD increases a lot when I eat high-oxalate foods.
Very interesting! Keto helped me to get rid of fibromyalgic tendon pains and diarrhea. I still suffer from tinnitus and insomnia (waking up at 3 am and not falling back to sleep for a few hours). Sometimes I get back the tendon pains for a few days. I think it is food related, but do not know which. I think nuts, sweet potato, chocolat, croissants (I fall off the keto wagon so now and then). Lately I have very dry eyes and blurred vision. Is it from menopause or from oxalates or oxalate dumping?
Menopause/depleted hormones for SURE cause the 3am wake up & awful joint pains. HRT is life giving❤
Definitely related to oxalates. My experience
@@gem246 Yes and lectins!
By far the best and honest explanation of oxalates.
Fantastic info here. I didn't know about the crusties secretion through the eyes. Makes sense to me, and I've had it for a lifetime!
Funny...i had that with crusty eyes BEFORE I went vegan.....I've eaten a LOT of plant foods every day for the last 15 years.....haven't experienced the crusty eyed at.all...among other beneficial changes
Could it be that all these "carnivore youtubers" are grifters and liars?
Yes...They're just looking for money and attention....if you believe Sally Norton you are insane.
Great explanation
Thank you! This is fascinating information!! I will be sharing this video !!
I think amount of oxalates that is excreted during dump can vary from person to person and can be more than 50mg. It can be excreted through urine, feces and even skin. I’ve stated to have huge diarrhea after a few months of carnivore diet. I don’t know if it happened by itself or because I’ve started to supplement with some minerals and vitamins. And it wasn’t only it, but also sore throat, generally feeling bad, skin issues, depression and anxiety. So I’ve added some black tea and dark chocolate to slow it down.
I wonder why you chose the chocolate.....lol. That's what I would do too!
@@gypsyluv1118 well, mainly two reasons. First one is that I've always loved chocolate. And second one, it has long shelf time and you need very little piece, so it is very convenient. Same with tea. I call them space food 😄
@@autisticpepefrogbut why are you eating chocolate if it’s hogh in oxalate and you want to dump em?
@@boomerang0101 because this is how science behind oxalates works. If you will go zero oxalates your body starts dumping it like hell, and you feel really bad. Because the most damage you receive when oxalates in your bloodstream (dumping is the process of pulling it out of the tissues and putting in blood first before it gets excreted via kindness or other paths). In order to slow down this process you consume small amount of oxalates, around 100mg a day. Because clearing can takes years and you don’t want to feel sick during this time. It doesn’t matter if food is high or low oxalates, total amount is matter. In case with dark chocolate it will be small portion, like 20 grams. Hope it make sense. There is huge amount of information about oxalates on RUclips.
@@gypsyluv1118I’ve chosen black tea and clementines right now. I hated to let go of my tea when I started Carnivore, so I have tea with lemon in it to help with dumping.
I used to get tonsil stones constantly. I went mostly carnivore and haven't had one since. I suspect that it was my body dumping oxalates.
Quite possibly. Hand thought of tonsil stones but yes maybe right.
No doubt you are correct. Your body was sequestering or hiding the oxalates wherever it could and whatever tissue it could to try and make it stop poisoning you
I knew nothing about oxalates when I went mostly carnivore 6 weeks ago. As a former spinach and almond milk, green smoothie drinker, I have lots of these things stored in my body and now I'm suffering as they are all trying to leave at the same time ☹
your suggestion on lowering oxalates can be still very shocking for the body if one eats too much oxalates....my family member went to hospital with serious heart and breathing problems when he went very low on oxalates. It depends on how much oxalate is one eating.
Does oxalate dumping worsen perimenopause symptoms?
Thank you dr. For answering our questions .
There’s a definite connection (research papers abound) to Mold toxicity and Candida producing oxalate - which then binds to calcium.
I’d love to know a) how many oxalate sufferers have been on Abx, allowing Candida/yeast/ Mold to overgrow?
b) why is there calcium in the tissues anyway - for the oxalate to bind to? Calcium should be in the bones. c) copper toxicity could be a cause of the excess calcium - very common in women
Low Vitamin D, K2, magnesium can cause high blood calcium levels
Calcium is a major mineral with a with positive electrical charges and is part of the neurotransmitter system inside the cells. Oxalates will yank calcium out of cells and bind with it and that disrupts the cell and then the immune system gets triggered and flared to fight and get rid of the dysfunctional cell. It's not like oxalates have a brain they just simply bind with the calcium in a really bad way and we need calcium in our every cell. Otherwise the cells would not function. It is the calcium that causes muscular contraction, think heart and all the other tissues and muscles that need to contract your muscles it's magnesium that relaxes your muscles and is also an essential mineral. And then when the cell membrane gets disrupted then potassium leaks out so you can develop low potassium. So it's really really important to get these oxalates out of the body. Calcium magnesium and potassium balance are fluids but they also do many many other functions and we need all of them in our cells.
His slide in presentation on reducing oxalates and how to do it and how slowly and how gradually, is spot on.
Interesting about the content on menstruation and menopause. When you think about it the females going through a monthly dump of a significant amount of blood which is also where calcium and magnesium circulate and if you are depleted in magnesium and calcium because of oxalate binding with it it would make sense that it would increase the symptoms. I know that adding magnesium to my diet really alleviated a lot of my symptoms when I was younger but I wasn't doing the high oxalate diet saying that has been pushed for the last 50 years. I wasn't doing all kinds of green smoothies, I didn't have loads and loads of access to high oxalate foods like chocolate and nuts. Just once in a while. But I was also anemic and had very low iron so there's a careful balance of minerals and electrolytes in our body. And if one of them goes out of whack the rest can go out of whack and if they are made to go out of whack because of oxalate binding, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised!!
Thanks for watching and the insights. I reckon you may be right.
Raynaudes is related to magnesium deficiency. My son has it. Boost your magnesium and see what happens. God bless.
Thank you for the suggestion/info!
I have epilepsy. I used to have several seizures every week. Carnivore 3.5 weeks and only one seizure in the 1st week probably because I still had yoghurt. Won't be buying yoghurt again. I think it should be a crime for a neurologist to put you on medication and not tell you about ketosis. I have been on just about every medication for epilepsy and not one has worked. Carnivore is the way to go.
In less than one month 81.6kg to 76.4kg. More than 10 pounds lost. I won't always use the scale. I will use more likely my clothing size.
Hi, I've just discovered your channel and have a question. I have fibromyalgia and sibo along with fatigue and depression. Which would benefit me more, a carnivore or gaps diet. Would love a video on that.
Carnivore go Keto50 carbs a day and lower each week to Ketovore to Carnivore
Is there a way to test for this?
sadly not any particularly good way. it requires a slight leap of faith. thankfully it's not that complicated or difficult to go to a low oxalate diet to see if it helps
I know I suffered from this for decades . I started my journey it health over a year ago. I haven’t woke up injured in about 3 months. I just stopped dumping about 3 weeks ago. But I won’t go back. I’m wanted to prove that It wasn’t in my head.
You can get an OAT test. It showed that I had elevated oxalates in my urine.
Yes. Organic Acids Test. Dr. Peter Osborne spoke about this on one of his many fantastic videos.@@tanyasydney2235
@@tanyasydney2235what’s OAT?
Bilateral CMC arthritis here! Also thyroid nodules and hyPERthyroidism! Also osteopenia, eczema and psoriasis! Almost 56 years old. Mostly carnivore, but I guess I need to further cut back the plants I do consume.
Maybe have a look at the oxalate loads of what you are eating. Quite easy to go quite high.
Regarding the osteopenia, look into bioidentical hormone replacement therapy ASAP. Find a compounding pharmacy near you and ask for doctors who prescribe bHRT.
Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful information 😊 😀 ❤️
Sally Norton said she's 10 years in and still dumping..😱
Excellent review. Thank you Dr. Khirwadkar
thank you
You're welcome
What is an example of a low oxalate diet? Thanks 😊
Ketovore or Carnivore.
Oxalates are mostly found in plants.
Sally Norton has great info on her website, otherwise, spinach, nuts, rhubarb are probably the biggest offenders for most people. Black/green tea is high too, and the fake milks are ++ high. Soy is bad too. Carnivore is a zero oxalate diet.
@@Themeatmedicsee also, Elliot Overton, Dr Paul Mason
In general nuts and seeds are the highest in oxalates along with plants certain plants. You have to do the research on the plants and if you pull even if you do something as simple as a Google search inserting the one you want for example spinach is spinach high oxalate it will tell you. It may not give you as many details as the oxalate experts can give you such as the Facebook channels trying low oxalates, the low oxalate kitchen, or the Wizards of ox you'll get a lot more information there about high and low oxalate levels in foods. All grains are high in oxalates unless the fiber and the brand has been removed and even then they may have oxalates. Potatoes and sweet potatoes are higher in oxalate Swiss Chard is higher in oxalate spinach is one of the highest green plants high in oxalate raspberries are higher in oxalate than blackberries etcetera you have to look up each individual food.
There are many entries and comments in here about Sally Kay Norton's book toxic superfoods she has come out recently with a companion book The Toxic superfood book came out in 2022. The companion book which unfortunately I don't have the name right off the top of my head you can find it on Amazon because both of her books are on their. And it lists out foods and their oxalate levels so you can identify if it's low oxalate, medium oxalate, high, or very very high oxalate foods.
I do remember different interviews on different podcasts with Sally Kay Norton and she was explaining that instead of just taking a list that was found she actually went back to original scientific research on the oxalate levels of foods and that's what she's included in this companion book. I haven't gotten through it yet but it should be a big help on choosing what to eliminate and what to keep in your diet if you're not doing full carnivore
What do you tell proponents of urine or autotherapy about oxalates? It seems rather scary now.
Some of the oxalate toxicity in oxalate dumping symptoms include the excretion out of your skin of small oxalate crystals, a snow white powder which is also oxalate excretions out of the corners of your eyes eyelid Stones as well. All of these are related to the accumulation of oxalate crystals and as you decrease your oxalate intake, your body goes into housekeeping mode and says great now I can finally get rid of this crap instead of just storing it and wherever I can get it out of your reach!
You just have to slowly and carefully decrease the oxalates a little bit of a time. It's similar to when there is an overgrowth of yeast when you start killing the yeast off which is called yeast overgrowth your body can only tolerate a certain quantity of it at a time so you have to give your body Grace it has been trying to save you for years. Decrease or eliminate immediately the really high oxalate and very high oxalates. they recommend decreasing your oxalate foods 5 to 10% out of each category a little bit at a time but getting rid of the higher oxalate foods the most of them first. Because it's going to take awhile and there may be a brief period of time once you start carnivore when you feel amazing but then when the fat starts to come off like I said it's going to dump that stuff back into your bloodstream and you want to get it out of the body and your body will get rid of it one way or the other urine, colon, or out through your skin. Your skin is one of the largest organs in your body and it is an excretory organ.
Please listen to this doctor. He could save your sanity.
Is it possible that going on a carnivore diet, everything gets better after a few weeks, but than after a year on carnivore, the real dumping of oxalates starts again, eye burning, like sand in the eyes, back pain, horrible and so on.
So carnivore is bad?
@@boomerang0101 Honestly, I don´t know. My symptoms can be also because of iron overload. Who knows? The symptoms they combine with oxalates are similar to the symptoms of iron overload which can occur on the carnivore diet.
@@davecopp9356 so why not donate blood? I personally think that any sort of extreme diet (vegan, carnivore, vegetarian) is not good.
@@boomerang0101 I already did it a few weeks back, but the symptomes are still the same. I am doing this extrem diet because of chronic back, knee pain. I went vegan for four years, but it did not help with my health problems. Now I am doing the carnivore thing. Before all that I was eating "normal" or what is considered normal in todays society. With carnivore, the chronic back pain went away for months, but now I have these symptoms as described. Burning eyes, burning face skin, back and knee pain etc.
@@davecopp9356 hmm maybe look into pycnogenol, Rosita/nutrapro omega 3 oil, benfotiamine and endothelial dysfunction.
What is your opinion of taking diatomeceous earth and zeolite powder? They bind to oxalates and help my digestion issues. Zeolite is my preferred choice. What makes me nervous is that I don't know exactly what is in them. I am now starting to think my digestive issues are because of too many oxalates. I will start to change my diet as of today.
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Thank you soooooo much! Very informative review 🥳.
Are we talking the same thing as salicylates? The effects certainly seem to be the same. I was diagnosed with salicylate sensitivity over thirty years ago and have been virtually a carnivore ever since. Brisbane. It seems, the word "Salicylate" seems to have gone into obscurity. The condition was very real.
different but similar
Perhaps some of the symptoms are similar but it is a different chemical structure causing the problems, just like those that have histamine intolerance it's a different chemical as well produced by the cells in your body in as an inflammatory response to something that saying hey you should not be having this.
@@jetryan624 Thank you for your reply.
how high are avacado in oxolates
Great question. There’s some debate, but generally the answer would be ‘not overly high’. Realistically 1 avo a day isn’t going to cause oxalate issues.
Thanks so much this will help so many!! Plus Dr Anthony Chaffe and Dr Ken Berry
So I think that the thumb thing you have is like my big toe pain that is oxalate gout I believe!! Great video!!
I've had calcium stones, won't a high meat diet give you high uric acid levels. I need to know because I would like to go on a carnivore diet. Thanks, Al
I can not tell you for sure, but a lot of the anti meat research is very rigged and bias.
Blame the meat in the hamburger meal instead of the high sugar bun, ketchup, fries in seed oil and pop.
But by the Adventist cult food industry always blame the meat. Crazy, but very rich cult. Think Kellogg and Post.
Most nutritional studies in North America are Adventist. Harvard sold their scientific soul to the Adventist cult agenda over half a century ago. Their latest study says red meat causes diabetes. Other scientists, using the same data and methods were able to show that water causes cirrhosis of the liver. So stay away from the demon drink water 😅.
Eat anything with foods with calcium, eat a salad with vinegar base dressing, add lemon to your water. All help with oxalate
What role, if any, does the gut microbiome play in oxalate metabolism?
There are a couple of gut bacteria that 'eat' oxykates but most people no longer have a diverse enough gut bacteria to have these varieties 😢 Elliot Overton on EONutrition on RUclips has great info on this.
Forgot microbiome plays a huge role in being able to successfully break down the oxalates including influencing enzymes that are produced.
Heard about this, though i just googled oxalate acid for taking rust away from metal....and the chemical safety paper with it.....kinda makes sence.
oh wow didn't know that about rust
Cutting oxalates from my diet has changed my life. Very healthy at 70
Maybe the 3 years old girl was breast feeding by her mother, and the mother eat a lots of veggies high in oxalate, and maybe when the mother was pregnant with her, she eat a lots of oxalate food, that was passed to the baby ?. What it’s really good for me it’s keto, carnivore and curcumin for pain, FANTASTIC! . Does fruit got oxalate too?
Some fruits are pretty bad like kiwis and starfruit. Some others are Ok I think but you can get the book Toxic Superfoods or just search for oxalate charts. 😺
good point.
Yes fruit does have oxalates but just like all the other foods they are different quantities. The fruits that tend to have more oxalates have them around their seeds. For example kiwi has high oxalates and a heck of a lot of seeds. It also has lactate in it so if someone is latex intolerant he was going to affect him in a big way, just like mangoes and bananas can because they also have latex. But off of that sidetrack yes, there are oxalates in fruits and just like vegetables some are low oxalate some are medium some are high some are very high oxalates. Previously in the olden days we did not eat nearly as many sweets and berries and fruits were around on a seasonal basis only so our body had time to detox and get things out of our systems and the main reasons they were eating was not only because they tasted good but also they fattened us up for the winter. But now supermarkets have all these fruits year round. Many of them modified. So it's very important to just research the food. And there's a lot of discrepancy out there on the internet about what is high and what is low oxalates. Check out The Low Oxalate Kitchen, The Wizards of Ox (the admin moderators have more than 20 plus years of research on oxalates and know what the heck they're talking about; and lots and lots of resources available under their files section on their page. There is also: TLO-Carnivore (for those doing carnivore and suddenly a couple of weeks or months into the diet realize something is going wrong and it's because you're not eating the oxalate foods anymore so your body's housekeeping system hired new housekeepers and started The dumping process trying to get it out out out out out out out of your body). Unfortunately they are very very enthusiastic housekeepers without brains and they have a tendency to do too much at once and that's where the dumping some come from, and if not then carefully slowly and gradually as recommended on these other oxalate expert channels, you then get the dumping symptoms and some of them could be severe enough to put you in the hospital! So slow and steady wins the race
Are Avacado low or high in oxalates ? I keep seeing different things on different list
By most sources they are ‘high’, but high is considered anything about 10mg / 100g, which actually isn’t that high at all.
If yours eat them occasionally it likely won’t matter.
I'm dumping oxalates like crazy right now! It's on the back of my legs in a rash! I'm pretty sure that's what that is. 😭😫😩😢🥺😳
my partner has the same symptoms, more calcium and citrates is helpful.
both arms, ankles and my neck. Started in full force 21/2 years after going carnivore. Super itchy skin, tiny tiny grains of white crystals coming out of my skin. Im on my third round of this. It is lessoning but still very annoying.
You arent alone.
Yet, the leafy green shown on this thumbnail, arugula, is known to be very low level of oxalates. Might even be the lowest of them all...why not use spinach??
Can high dose vitamin d3 k2 help to clear oxalates please 🙏 please please reply thanks
Do you have experience with adding quicklime when cooking spinach?
I meant slaked lime
Epic!! Thanks so much
Interesting about the content on menstruation and menopause. When you think about it the females going through a monthly dump of a significant amount of blood which is also where calcium and magnesium circulate and if you are depleted in magnesium and calcium because of oxalate binding with it it would make sense that it would increase the symptoms. I know that adding magnesium to my diet really alleviated a lot of my symptoms when I was younger but I wasn't doing the high oxalate diet saying that has been pushed for the last 50 years. I wasn't doing all kinds of green smoothies, I didn't have loads and loads of access to high oxalate foods like chocolate and nuts. Just once in a while. But I was also anemic and had very low iron so there's a careful balance of minerals and electrolytes in our body. And if one of them goes out of whack the rest can go out of whack and if they are made to go out of whack because of oxalate binding, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised!!
Thank you Dr. Khirwadkar. You're solid gold.
Sally's book would be great but my eyesight isn't good enough to read a book anymore. I have enough trouble with my huge screen. It sounds great though. People should buy it.
appreciate the comment. sally's book is available on audiobook too
It’s on audible books I’m pritty sure and apple
I heard a few new things thanks 🙏!
What about people who have CKD eating a high protein diet? What about blood type? Types As?
Why don't you do a gofundme and start your own low/no-Ox scientific study with your patients?
YES!!
Extra calcium binds oxalates simple tobremove