Night Springs | A Family Occasion (Analysis)
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
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Night Springs is probably the longest running sub plot in the Remedy setting. A simple TV show that rose up and took on a life of its own. First appearing in Alan Wake, it has shown up in every subsequent game. A mysterious town where weird things happen. But the town sometimes is a real place.
What is the nature of this mysterious town? How do the events in the episodes eventually become real? At the end of the day, What is Night Springs really?
In today's episode breakdown we will be focusing on the episode, A Family Occasion. In it, a journalist meets with a local cult in order to observe their activities. In the process he gets an up close and personal demonstration.
Night Springs | A Family Occasion (Analysis)
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I definitely saw the connection between Nik-Si Pir-ka to Shub-Niggurath; I didn't think to connect them to the Not-Mother, but it definitely is a very plausible connection.
A little tangentially, canonicity is very weird in Lovecraft. Most of what we now accept as Lovecraft lore was not written by Lovecraft, and much was well after his death. I find it actually rather fascinating and appropriate that the 'canon' continues to evolve as new writers delve into the madness, and try to bring back more.
All that to say that as far as I can tell, the Shub-Niggurath milk thing started with a 1990 RPG book. But I think to most everyone that hears that, it feels right, which is probably all that matters.
Even the name, 'Cthulu Mythos' wasn't a name Lovecraft used. He called his setting something completely different. The other authors began calling it that after his death
@GamingUniversityUoG wait what did he call his world?
@@Coolbond2 Lovecraft referred to the stories he wrote as "Yog-Sothothery" or "The Arkham Cycle". He wasn't entirely clear whether either or both terms were meant to encompass everything, or each only a subset of his.
Past that the "Weird Tales" refers to Lovecraft's works, plus about 30 other stories by his friends that he seemed to explicitly 'adopt' into the canon.
Past that we have the "Lovecraft Circle" stories, about 60 more stories written by his friends in consultation with Lovecraft.
Then we get to the "Cthulhu Mythos", which was August Derleth's name for his works after Lovecraft's death, plus the above categories.
@@Generallybreak thanks for the info!
A very interesting connection! I have no knowledge on Lovecraftian lore outside of bits that may have seen in other media, but it's fascinating that the very next TV after this TV show episode is the one to talk about Tomas, his writing and "Lovecraftian presence"
I think, how one would view it depends on how one views the connection between events and writing. If one is to believe that Alan is the one to write Andersons songs for example (from nightmare difficulty pages) - then it would look more like Night Springs has manifested the event in one way or another. As of right now, I'm more inclined to think that such people as Tom /Alan /Andersons and others, in their connections don't have clear beginning or end. And thus, things that one creative person made (and we know there are those who can connect and observe and those who can directly influence reality with their creations), are strong enough to manifest in other's work. Their creations... "They ring true" to other creators. Which makes me think, that this Night Springs episode is not the cause but part of same chain of events. After all, the Not Mother wasn't *just* manifesting into our reality - people went through the "Temple" slide to see her. Would the Slide be part of other's creative process that saw into same direction as NS episode? That's more the line of thinking I have right now. Other than thinking that it all may be just tied to old Zane's writing of "dark things that wait for a chance to slip through, wearing the flesh of men as disguise" 😅
I've always thought the Not-Mother from the Ordinary AWE was a reference to the Other Mother from Coraline. The novella was published the same year (2002) the AWE is supposed to have happened; and It also has children being lured into an alternate reality/dimension.
Lots of different influences here. Granted it is very likely these are not the exact same entity, just reflections of each other.
Ayo Shub-WHAT?
I swear Lovecraft entities have random names
@@GamingUniversityUoG It is like Noob Saibot from Mortal Kombat. Such a dark character with such a distracting name.
From what i read it is a twisted version of the name Sheol-Nuggonath. Something from a story called Idle Days on the Yann.
Some also suggest the merging between the words Ziggurat and the latin word for darkness.
As you were going through the details that connect with control, the Not-Mother wasn’t actually what I was leaning towards. With the details of “Thousand Young”, “Implanting”, and “Milk that turns you to a Monster”, especially that last one, my mind went not to the Not-Mother, but instead to Mold-1, with the “Thousand young” referring to spores.
I do like the idea of Not-Mother though
I'm more in the camp that the specific world transforming powers of humans in the Remedyverse is limited. So I'm inclined to think that this episode either taps into some intuitive knowledge of something like the Not-Mother, or maybe a more fundamental, archetypal form from which they both derive.
When we get into the domain of cosmic horrors, I feel like saying that we created them is maybe giving ourselves a little too much credit.
I guess the best example of this is Mr. Scratch. American Nightmare explicitly states he was formed by the misconceptions and tabloid stories about Alan. However, it is also implies that the entity existed prior to these transformations. That this may just be the most recent face the entity is wearing. In which case the Not-Mother would be the modern face of this cosmic mother entity. Not the original. If you follow my reasoning.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Yes, Mr. Scratch I take as being another entity that essentially changes his form based on who he's imitating. Or a sort of Jungian shadow self made manifest.
they've already established that Night Springs is used by the FBC to test public perception on the possibility of certain AWE's and the side effects they leave behind, so I tend to think that if there is an actual connection from an episode to a thing that actually exists, then it's probably more likely that the FBC crafted the episode explicitly to see how people would react to the concept of the Not-Mother. The Ordinary AWE occurred in 2002 so it seems pretty plausible that they could have created this years after the fact.
I wish more RUclipsrs talked about the OrdinaryAWE. It’s so interesting and gives off a horror vibe. Like a mix between Stephen King and Gremlins. A game or movie of those events would be cool!
I agree! I would love an old fashioned Stephen King style movie for the ordinary AWE
Do constraints like time even apply to Thresholds like the Dark Place. Alan has noted that he sort of knows things about people he’s never met, but writes in his manuscript. It may not matter when the Lovecraftian monster was thought up, only that it was. I feel like that would aline better with classic Cthulhu Mythos.
Alvin Derleth is likely a parallel to Emil Hartman. Both with a fascination to supernatural, both becoming too greedy and diving into their respective supernatural depths, both becoming hosts of Nightmares.
I'm glad I stumbled on your videos, Dean. Finished binge watching the AW2 play through earlier today, and very excited to see your videos that come out of that game. Your editing is phenomenal (I understand that yellowbat works the magic?) great job to both of you.
God I'd love a flashback mission in Control to Jesse & Dylan's bizarre slide adventures.
6:35 Gaming University : If I told you that those who consumed the milk of Shub-Niggurath were mutated into fierce and violent creatures, what is the first thing that pop in your head ? what entity existing in the Remedy setting does this remind you of ?
Me : Dick Justice and the constipated grimace on his face
Looking into the timeline, the Night Springs episodes would have been made between 1998 and 2006, the Ordinary AWE took place in 2002, meaning there was a 4 year gap where Alan's work could have influenced the path of history. But I don't think Alan created the NotMother, but the power of association within the Remedy universe linked the fictional god of the episode to the NotMother. It seems to me that Alan's writing dictated that the NotMother would connect in some way to his reality. Jesse and Dylan were unsure about the total number of slides for the projector, maybe Alan's work resulted in additional slides, like the one leading to the NotMother. Alan's tampering would explain the siblings being confused about the number of slides. Further proof, Alan himself believes he created the Hiss, which came into reality due to another slide found with the projector.
I see no evidence Alan was involved in Ordinary. He didn't vanish into the dark place until 2010, a full 8 years as fter the event. 1996 is when his first work got published in a magazine.
Where do you see the timeline for Night Springs and when it started and went off the air?
8:44 - It's hard to say which came first. It feels like it's more than a coincidence. Perhaps neither came first, but they were both born from the same seed: the Not-Mother became real because it was dreamed up in a fiction, but Niksi Purka was written as fiction because the author was tapping into some real thing. It's just hard to say one way or the other. It seems like it would be more likely (in the Remedy world) to be a causal loop rather than a direct chain of causation. But who knows?
It's possible Alan himself may have wrote the episode and was subconsciously aware of the Not-Mother through his clairvoyance. Or if he didnt write it, whoever did may have had similar abilities.
Almost forgot about the Not-Mother... Thinking about it now, and just knowing off what we read, it's terrifying to think about lol
We need a movie about the Ordinary AWE I swear
@GamingUniversityUoG A tie in limited series for Control 2 co-written/directed by Mike Flannigan would be perfect. Sam Lake and Flannigan recently gushed about working together and doing the Ordinary AWE would be the perfect project.
It could start with a voice over by Courtney Hope saying something like: "It all started there. In my home town. In Ordinary." Close up of her eye, similar to in game, transitioning to a close up and pull out of a younger actress playing Jesse. James McCaffery and Mathew Porretta could cameo in the final episode as Trench and Darling.
I hope Nik-Si Pir-Ka makes an appearance as a Control 2 boss. That'd be perfect.
Could you make an in-depth video on the Ordinary AWE, it’s so thick with lore that I haven’t seen anything as shrouded as this
I can do a brief timeline of it. But there isnt enough info to do it justice yet. Personally I want to see a movie made that covers this period.
@@GamingUniversityUoG please 🙏🏾 do a timeline
The reporter in the episode is like how Hartman jumped into Cauldron Lake thinking he'd be unaffected.
Thanks for being a Remedy-Verse channel. Is something planned for Old Gods of Asgard? I recently realized that on their song covers on Spotify there are inverted pyramids in front of a black background. Coincidence?
I fully intend to dona whole series on the Old Gods and their music. But for now I want to wait until Alan Wake 2 is out so I can include my new info we get
My honest and full opinion on the Remedy Verse is that Sam Lake is trying to accomplish what Danganronpa couldn’t. Danganronpa ended its series upsetting almost its entire fan base because it turned the mirror around so they could see themselves. I believe Sam Lake is trying his best to form a narrative where his characters realize that they are all in fictional realities created for our own false hopes. Jesse probably already realized this in Control but she has faith that we can achieve hope together. Mr. Door might be someone upset with the entire idea. Alan Wake might be conflicted with his Mr. Scratch side who wants to break out of the false reality and into the real one, but also his light side who wants to change his reality and the other realities for the better. This stuff is really cool and I love Sam Lake.
I'm sure there's an HP Lovecraft tie in here, and the other points you mentioned were intriguing, but this seemed a much more direct shout-out to the Aliens franchise to me.
The character is explicitly named after a lovecraft author and the thousand young aspect is a direct reference to the entity
That being said, I'm not saying lovecraft's universe is connected to this. Not at all. Just that there may be literary influence here.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Oh, that's fair, and can easily be convinced that the ALIEN writers were influenced by the same source, given what happens, but I've only read a few stories by HP but am quite familiar with ALIENS....
I always thought that Not Mother was just the Hiss. In another time.
I mean this is just a theory. So who knows really
I love night springs
We need this to be a real TV show
wake up babe the new Night Springs episode dropped
Haha good morning and hope you enjoy
Hmmm. Yes, the Mythos… but did no one notice the parallel to the nosy outsider taken in the Green Man?
This episode of Night Springs always unnerved me the most, I think it’s the idea of having creatures in your body and to give birth to ‘a thousand young’ just… no, just no, all I can say is poor dude
No joke I've had an issue with this kind of thing ever since the 90s version of the Mummy. Those beetles under the skin freaked me out
@@GamingUniversityUoG oh man. Loved watching the Mummy, but those beetles were really creepy to watch as a kid. I remember imagining how I would react and how I would try to cut one out, as someone did in the movie.
I think it may be real entity from another dimension, that was able to make contact with our reality through artists like Lovecraft, writers of Night Spring and whomever created slide-portal to temple world. It also possible it was formless creature living deep inside Dark Place like Dark or Light presence, and it shaped into this particular form by Dark Place through perception of creators.
The subtitle or closed captions doesn't work for the night spring episode at the 0:24 til 2:00 timestamps. Could you look into fixing it?
I'll take a look. Will need to get the script for this.
Awesome
Thanks dude!
Is it possible that this is what happening to dr darling from control? How the story goes, it's very similar to Darling falls into what he has happened to him.
Closely literary parallel I have seen for Darling is in 2001 a space odyssey. Darling even references it in the game.
here early ayeeeee
Nik-Si Pir-ka is such a funny name
He said it
Okay now I'm jealous, where are you getting non-redacted documents? Lol
Witchcraft
@@GamingUniversityUoG at this point I believe you lol 😆
5:18 felt kinda weird to say that didn't it? felt kinda weird to hear it at least
All of lovecraft's monster names sound weird to hear out loud
4:46 what background music.
Not entirely relevant but i cant help but wonder if The All Mother inspired The Other Mother of Coraline
Unconscious Entities need the Light of Eyes to create Shadows.
What is not mother and what does the words mean
It is an entity from Control
@@GamingUniversityUoG explain more please
Of course the Lovecraft entity has the n-word in it because why not?
WHAT’D you call me???
Dude. You GOTTA stop saying Shub's whole name.