I'm utterly convinced that the Bureau of Altered World Events was going to be a Tritagonist in Alan Wake 2. Everything seems like they were SO geared up for AW2... and then when Microsoft said no to that pitch, and Quantum Break started, that Sam Lake decided to write Control based off those ideas, and then after most of that had been done, the deal with getting Alan Wake back came up, and Sam re-worked the connection in. Like, he has made stuff fit together beautifully, but if you look really really closely, you can kind of see where things were supposed to be headed, and how they got patched together. I think that's great writing though.
Absolutely. He has said that a lot of what went into Quantum break was AW2 and Control had aspects of AW3. In 2015 around when QB came out they had put a trademark request onto the Bureau of Altered World Events (AWE). I think they changed their mind and scrapped the idea and went another route with the FBC. I also read that Samantha Wells was the original prototype for Jesse but that plot line was scrapped.
@@GamingUniversityUoG they also had got the domain for alanwake2.com, though I'm not sure if they still have the rights. It was gonna happen... Hopefully it still will.
Both Samantha and Darling says that they think something "wonderful" is coming. Both say this in their last messages. Perhaps they're both connected into this? What could Polaris/Hedron be teaching Darling? This analysis was interesting, and Samantha deserves a return, perhaps meeting her in the upcoming DLC, setting up future events? It'd be a huge tease and a welcome little info piece for big Alan Wake fans. I never thought Barry would have contacted Samantha, but it makes sense. Perhaps he contacted Samantha after his contact to Alan through the Night Springs episode, connected those two stories and giving them a relevance to the world outside the Dark Place. Also, your explanation on what happened to Zane and Jagger really helps the understanding of it. Their real selves are safe away... But, do they still have a piece of the story? Mr. Door? The Not-Mother (You should do an analysis of the Ordinary AWE, I didn't fully get to the bottom of it myself)? Anyways, fantastic video! Really liked this one, added some more emphasis on the obvious connections. Perhaps the BAWE (Bureau of Altered World Events) is the public name of the FBC? A title to hide the truth in plain sight? I just kept on talking lol, but great vid still haha
6 months late to this comment, but I just finished Control Ultimate Edition and caught up with the Remedyverse so far, I think the "something wonderful" Samantha was referring to was the next game that advanced Alan Wake's story, which ended up being Control's AWE DLC. In that sense, Polaris' last lesson to Dr. Darling could be interpreted the same way. Maybe Polaris was showing him Control 2.
A lot of concepts for Control showed up in both American Nightmare a d This House of Dreams. The bureau of Altered World Events becoming the FBC. Ordinsry was first mentioned innan Old Gods Song. It wouldn't surprise me if originally Samantha was meant for more. They took another route later on though.
The outstanding issue is that if Samantha lived in Ordinary, we know that the only residents of the town to survive its AWE were the Faden twins. Control occurs on Halloween 2019 (which puts the AWE into 2008/2009?), which means either Ordinary was repopulated after the FBC was done with it or stuff changed since 2012 in more than one way, perhaps with Zane's and Wake's reality-altering meddling, since the AWE DLC all but states that Alan wrote a lot (but not all) the plot of Control into being.
We do know according to the board in research that there was repopulation efforts for the town. Samantha is even referenced on it. Most likely this is why she is fixing the place up because job one has lived in it since the incident. The whole Ordinary saga needs a lot of holes filled in. Too many blank spots.
@@GamingUniversityUoG The house in question isn’t the Faden Household is it? That tidbit just kinda occurred to me one day. Plus Jesse knows the poems and really know one else would.
@@TimeCircleBlue She definitely is familiar with Thomas Zane work, like as if it was mainstream and publicly known, but it wasnt. Remedy rabbit hole goes deep
When I read the blog my first guess as to who could've contacted Samantha was Clay Steward. I think Barry would instantly drive to her house to talk to her rather than trying to be less risky by asking her to stop posting
Holy heck! I could listen to your videos for hours on end, my friend! I just finished playing control and awe, almost done with foundation. What an amazing experience and story! There is so much there. I am so glad to know that developers are creating worlds like this with deep and complex stories. What a time to be alive!
Thank you friend! I'm glad your enjoying your experience through Control! Remedy really has made something special here. I've never seen a video game franchise be given this level of care by the developers. It is incredible. Let me know what you think of Foundation once you finish!
I joked about it when they out out that ad lol. Sadly my resume includes nothing that would help with this kind of position. That would have been an amazing experience though if I could pull it off!
Lady of the light, Cynthia Weaver, in Alan Wake states that she was involved in love triangle with Thomas Zane. She says that he still speaks to her from the beyond through television and whatnot. Alan could be using same method to send messages to outside world. And could Frank Breaker be brother or husband of Sarah Breaker from Bright Falls?
In American Nightmare, my opinion is that Alan is sending a message through the TV since Barry fell asleep with the Night Springs Episode. Also it formed as a dream to Barry. And Frank Breaker is Sarah's father. He retired from the Bureau and started an Apple Orchard in Bright Falls.
Thank you! I originally planned to have a brighter house at the start and slowly change photos into the dark and foreboding one to reflect how the settings changes around Samantha. But I got lazy lmao.
Here I am, after the release of Alan Wake 2. And this video is even more amazing to watch. to think they planed for this many years about the sequel is mind blowing.
Great analysis here! One question though: if Zayne' s essence travelled into a pocket plane at the time he resurrected Barbara (as a monster), then how was he able to take all the actions setting up the events of AW, such as writing himself out of existence (except for shoeboxes), guiding AW from the past (like with the clicker), and "drowning" Barbara in order to imprison the Dark Presence? Ostensibly, that would mean the Bright Presence took all those actions and wrote the poems while in Zayne' s skin, but the BP isnt an artist and cant create reality like Zayne. So it shouldnt have been able to do that. Some big piece seems missing from the equation...
It is implied that this occured after Zane brought Dark Barbara back, after he wrote himself out of the world and dived in. There is also the possibility that this was just a dream of Samantha's and these events are not to be taken as 100% factual. I need to finish AWE to see if there are any more clues about Tom.
@@GamingUniversityUoG did Thomas's poem creat the hiss? Cus I heard the hiss first started out as a mix of words in a shoebox . Or did alen take the shoebox from Samantha to do something that would manifest as the hiss and did bringing it back to the "real world" activate it in one of the slides before Jesse burnt them but one .
@@miracon000fezNo, it was Alan's poem that created the Hiss. You probably know this by now, but if anyone is reading this, Hiss invasion was written by Alan, and the main purpose was to protect Alice from Hartman and the Dark Presence, keeping both busy. At least, so Alan himself wrote.
From what I understand this blog played around with the story ideas that would eventually become control. Over 7 years there were some changes. But yeah it is an interesting little side story.
@@GamingUniversityUoG yes, especially after Alan Wake 2 and considering Quantum Break takes place outside the main remedyverse its pretty clear to me that these blog posts take place within a different universe outside Alan Wake and Controls connected one
@@GamingUniversityUoG Where did they say that? I must have missed it. I've been expecting late-July for a teaser trailer, and mid-august for release, so it lines up fairly well.
Rewatching this video, I noticed something. The Bright Falls AWE document in Control says “Mr. Kirklund was alerted by ex-Bureau agent Frank Breaker that an AWE was taking place in Bright Falls. Breaker had received a call from Barry Wheeler on behalf of Breaker's daughter Sarah.” Which makes me wonder how much Sarah knows/knew of Frank’s profession and the Bureau. Did Frank just tell her to holler if she noticed something unusual happening, whatever it might look like, or did he not keep his job a secret, either because he couldn’t or didn’t want to? Could Sarah have been an FBC agent too? Could she have been offered a job but turned it down for some reason? Questions, questions.
So in terms of how much Sarah knew about the FBC, we don't really know. However, there was a secret society in Bright Falls that monitored the odd things in town as a result of the Place of Power Cauldron Lake. It included Frank Breaker, Pat Maine, Deputy Thornton and Mulligan, Sarah, and a few others. Night Springs was their code phrase for letting them know something weird was happening. So she was fully aware of the weirdness and the chain of command to have it taken care of. But it is hard to say if she knew about the Bureau itself.
Does this mean the house is altered item causing people who sleep in it to connect to those in the dark place somehow? I have to say, even though Alan Wake is one of my favorite games, I never thought that much about it, but turns out there is a lot of world building outside of games.
Frankly I don't think it's the house specifically. It's more her discovery of the Shoebox that made the link. It's hard to say if it was completely accidental that she had this experience or if there was a lot more intention going on behind the scenes. The story is told from her point of view so it is hard to say.
11:29 RE the "Bright Presence" - The clip you provided immediately made me think of The Former, and how it shines a light at you in the darkness. I wonder if there's a correlation there... Additionally, I wonder if there's some symbology with The Former and a lighthouse - After all, a lighthouse isn't meant to draw you in... it's meant to steer you away.
Former has an eye that looks just like a light house lamp. Also, it is a fallen Board member. Light bearer, Fallen, you see where I'm going with this...
So… Here’s a theory… What if Zane/the Bright Presence “touched” Samantha and lied about his fate? Like, the whole “baby universe” thing seems kind of… Inconsistent with that we learn in Alan Wake 1 about the rules of drama, like, it feels like Zane found a miracle cheat code that allowed him to bring Barbara back so they could live happily ever after. So what if Zane _did_ merge with a Bright Presence… But didn’t create this universe? What if Zane tricked Samantha into believing that? “But why would he do that?” You might be asking, and to answer that: to keep her out of trouble. He knows what happens with people who get dragged into his and Alan’s stories, and he wouldn’t want his, or Alan’s fate to befall anyone else. My main point for this is how Samantha writes in the last post. After she talks about her dream, she goes on about how hopeful she feels and how everything’s going to be better from now on, seemingly forgetting about the shoebox and the pages, which seems weird, doesn’t it? You’d think she’d say something like “oh, some guys came and picked the shoebox” or something but no, she just turns into Komaeda. So what if Zane touched her, similar to how the Dark Presence touched Alan and Rose in AW1, to make sure she stays away from it? To stay safe and not end up like him and Alan? Edit: another piece of evidence I have for this is Zane’s, not the Bright Presence, or the Diver, Zane’s appearance in Alan Wake 2, if he’s in the baby universe, how can he still be in the Dark Place? And where’s Barbara in all of this?
Another good one! I really like your explanation about Thomas and Barbara. You are satisfying all my Remedy based game connections 😂 So glad you do these videos!
This is gonna be a overdue comment, but I don't know (given that I'm rewatching all of these again having now beaten Alan Wake II) if you know that Alan Wake and Remastered should be considered two different events. First is the Original, Second is Alan rehashing events, with newly acquired knowledge. Thus explaining the changes to the posters, and so forth. Not canon, but something I've recently considered. Given how Meta Sam is, I imagine this is how they view it. Much like the NG+ experience coming to Alan Wake II; same concept, different premise.
I've been binging your videos and in one you mention bodies of water being prevalent. Bright Falls, Cauldron Lake, Oceanview, Desert Shore. Samantha Wells also fits since a well is something that contains a small amount of water.
The remedy world is AWEsome, well written and beautifully narrated.. remedy games are some of the few games that still care about the literary and artistic value more than cash grabbing..
I’d say, Remedy games are some of the few /AAA/ games that still care about the literary and artistic value. There are so many indie game developers on the same level as Remedy and Sam Lake when it comes to artistry and story telling. Check out Disco Elysium for example if you haven’t.
I have not finished the video yet, but I am commenting now to say that previous owners leaving things behind and there were weird noises the first night? Oh friend, you got yourself ghosts, throw the house away :(
Is it weird that I have started listening to these to help me fall asleep? They also help me lucid dream, an ability I have been cultivating with limited but interesting results, not that these videos are unique in that effect as falling asleep to anything with a narrative to springboard off of increases the chance of lucid dreams.
Love the emerging connections across all the IPs. I'm wondering if the shoeboxes have the same properties/effect as seen with the LIfeboat protocol in Quantum Break
Well the Shoebox was written as a loophole so that anything kept inside of one will be immune to world altering effects. The lifeboat protocol creates an artificial Meyer-Joyce field so that time will flow even when broken in a focused area. But I agree finding the strings connecting the IPs is a lot of fun.
Gaming University Me too! I still think we are semantically referring to the same thing. Metaphysically the game creators may have to reveal. I’m just wondering if the stutter / end of time constitutes a localized AWE (meta-temporally speaking). The end of time within one timestream among others. What connects an Ocean to a Lake? A River (river port)
@@GamingUniversityUoGI thought that shoeboxes were written not just as an immune to world changes, but as little portals to the Dark Place. I mean, look at the exact loophole: "Inside this shoebox we killed for There is We don’t know what Neat stacks of hundred dollar bills Jewels like stars The dreams of those who’ve slept in this town The dream of this town (when we open it, the dreamer will wake, and we, all part of his dream, will be gone) Our wishes come true The power to punch a hole into the universe Inside this shoebox we killed for There is A coffee thermos A flashlight A box of ammo Two pages of poems Countless wor(l)ds Inside this shoebox we killed for There is No cat, poisoned or otherwise, dead or living, undead, un-cat Baleful spirits All the evils of the world No hope Nothing Darkness"
@@GamingUniversityUoG And thank you for making these videos. :) I don't always follow all the details in and around the games, so it's very nice to get info about the Mythologies and all their connections this way.
Could it be possible that the bright presence is the former, when the former was part of the board. But because they failed to contain the darkness "the taken" the board kicked them out. And this is why the former is trying to take over alter items to try and make them oop to fight the taken. But they are still learning the process.
I have used content from The Alan Wake Files in the past but I haven't done a video specifically on it yet. Thats something to look into in the future. Thanks for the suggestion!
Just came from the new vid on Sam Clay and the Alan Wake files. I think Samantha Wells moved into the Faden's childhood home. In Control one of the houses in the Ordinary recreation map is red. That's likely the Faden house since Jesse and Dylan were the primary focus of the AWE and known powerful parautilitarians. The daughter of the previous owner mentioned would be Jesse and the poems of Thomas Zane in the reality lockbox (aka shoebox) once belonged to her. Jesse quotes the same Zane poem as Alan; showing that even though reality has been changed: making Zane a film maker; Jesse has retained information about him from a previous reality.This is likely Alan Wake's doing: connecting Zane to Ordinary and to Jesse and the FBC as part of his writing Return. It’s the same thing he did to Dr. Hartman and Alice in the DLC to set the events of the Investigation Division being abandoned into motion. It reminds me of American Nightmare's explination of being true to the character's within a story to make it believable and come alive. When Alan creates a character for them to come to life they must be real; really real, with a backstory, motivation, origin, everything.
Not a lot to take from it, but they showed a trailer for the AWE Control expansion! VERY excited for it, and your take on the info it will have! Only RUclipsr I sub to for Remedy lore!
Thank you for supporting us! It really means a lot. Also I just uploaded our first video taking a look at the AWE trailer and some clues in it. Let me know what you think!
I don't see it as a threat. More professional advice. And no the most likely identity is Clay Steward. Someone who is already being attacked by the bureau
I do not believe anyone you listed would have contacted Samantha about the shoebox and the poems, under the condition that none of them have a good recollection of Thomas Zane. The only logical person to do so must have been Dr. Hartman. He must have seen the blog and wanted the poems, lying about "keeping her safe," as he is extremely manipulative. He would have had to make this call before he jumped into Cauldron Lake and turning into a creature of darkness. To rule out the FBC and Frank, why would either one of them be so indirect about it? If they wanted the shoebox that badly, they would have just come in person and asked for it. However, Barry would be too busy with the Anderson brothers and The Old Gods of Asgard to have come across some random blog about a house. This ties back to Hartman, he would have been the only person actively searching for information in regards to Bright Falls, Zane, and Wake.
One possibility which another commenter suggested was Clay Steward. He was also plagued by dreams that involved Alan. It lasted for a while until he visited Bright Falls. The Bureau has him under surveillance.
yknow at a first glance, those "ink blobs" are very similar to the Deer Masks lol, did they plan the concept of Cult of the Tree (and/or Word) all the way back since the OG Alan Wake 2?
Thomas and Alan can give a person aid only in a dream and shoe box was taken, brought back and the inside assortments were changed in the actual world. Lady of the Light probably had some personal writings and unpublished poems by Thomas. They have a connection, a history and perhaps she either knew about the other clicker, or he instructed her in a dream. Where did she get the manuscript? Barry would most likely not have the poems. Can Thomas and Alan use the shoe box to transfer objects between the dream world and the actual one - as a portal of sorts?
I mean it's possible. There is always a potential that this one was there before and left there. Which would beg the question if someone related to Tom or Barbara used to live in that house. It is all so vague so it's hard to say.
The house is an apex or a dimensional link which used the person as both the conduit with the Shoebox as the only Object that is linked to the house, possibly an Area of power. The AWE personnel is possibly an alternare universe indicator which never changed their name. Alan Wake's screams may have been a dimensional scream, since he and his other him were in the middle of their conflict, enough for him to end his other Adam and himself back into the darkness. But then, the box is possibly an object that exits in all dimensions, and Alan found it, used it to have his added means with Night Springs as to influence and tip the scales of conflicts from the darkness for the survival of humankind.
Just finished AWE for Control.. I can say my biggest disappointment with Control and its DLC so far is that they never used the song "Control" by POE... which I thought would be thematically perfect for Jesse's character development and I felt, a far more appropriate song for the Ash tray maze... plus, they used her song, "Haunted" in Alan Wake so I thought it'd be a good call back. Oh also, "Ash Tray Maze"... sounds a bit like "Ash Tree Lane"... the house on that street was also a maze... but much more hostile.
I just picked up a copy of House of Leaves yesterday! I'm looking forward to studying it with Control in mind. I'm going to have to listen to those tunes. Music is definitely something that sets the mood and emotion in the narrative as it did in Alan Wake.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Excellent! While reading, I'd recommend paying close attention to inconsistencies in terms of who the real author is in the story... there are 3 suspects not counting MZD himself. Also, POE's album, Haunted, and single Angry Johnny serve as companions to House of Leaves. Finally, I'd put emphasis on how the book explores the idea of a Minotaur in a labyrinth on a metaphorical level... and the interesting parallels between that and a lot of the Remedy verse... Oh almost forgot... Parent-child relationships, both real and imagined play a big role in the book... And it's one reason I suspect Hedron/Polaris and the Hiss are more intimately connected than we've seen so far...
@@GamingUniversityUoG oh also, to help find thematic links throughout all narratives concerned... keep in mind the concept of echoes... Not parallel, not opposites, but beside one another... different versions of the same thing, same story... Consequences are the same
I think they didn't use the Poe song because it's about having control, and the Old gods song is about gaining control. It's also a ritual personally written for Jesse to help master her powers, and a prophecy of her future
Yeah I mention this. At some point the Bureau attains it but it randomly goes missing in the middle of their tests. See the red text in the bottom right. But they also say that ANY Shoebox has this effect. Not just this one.
@@GamingUniversityUoG The Shoebox is interesting, and I honestly hope it shows up again in AWE. If you look in Bird Leg Cabin when you first arrive there's a shoebox full of Zane's works. Alan even comments "I've never heard of him" or something. I'm driving myself insane speculating on the contents of the Investigations Sector
a) it seems really clear to me that one of the ink blotted photos has an angry pair of eyes staring out, one in each blot b) i thought someone laid it out that the person warning Samantha was Clay Steward, after he was detained by FBC-type-people. (not sure where i read/heard this. maybe in one of your later videos?)
@@GamingUniversityUoG been meaning to respond to you for a bit, was listening to the soundtrack on my commute to work and I realized Tom is mentioned by name in the song, AW is still blowing my mind a decade later.
After speaking with some viewers and community members I think we came to the conclusion that it was Clay Stewart who called her. He had recurring dreams of Alan and ended up traveling to Bright Falls in search of answers after Wake vanished. He has experience in this kind of weirdness and was I interviewed by the Bureau afterwards which would explain why he is aware of them.
@@LuisFelipe-st1ut he showed up briefly at the very beginning of Alan Wake, in the dream-sequence tutorial. He sometimes shared dreams with Alan (we dont know why) he also wrote something of a book, "The Alan Wake Files" that has a lot of good background info about Bright Falls and the goings on after the events of the game
Sounds like she's thinking, ah, "I Wish I Had More Lights" ...which makes me wonder if she was ever given a Boar's Head during any of this :D Not exactly on topic, but I was wondering if you're intending to do any videos on Stray I got the sense there was a surprising amount to unpack there and I'm sure my own mind didn't catch all of it.
I'm honestly not sure if I like the last post, and the fact that Tom and Barbara are in their own little universe living happily ever after. Doesn't that just take away from Tom's mistake? The whole lesson Alan had to learn about how he needed balance? Why he needed to sacrifice himself in order to get Alice safely out? Why does the Bright presence act as if it is Tom? Why does Alan and Cynthia speak to it certain that it's Tom? Zane says during "The Writer" special episode that Alan finally fixed the mistake he made with Barbara a long time ago. But apparently now this isn't actually Tom and Barbara, and that the mistake was fixed long ago when he apparently easily undid it by making a happy ending for him and Barbara. I love Tom as a character because of the pain he has gone through, and the lengths he is now going to to help Alan not make the same mistake and save Alice. Whether inside or outside the dark place. This seems to just undo all that
Honestly I have been trying to rationalize the thematic relevance of this as well. From Alan's perspective it is irrelevant since he isn't aware of this. Granted it was always understood that 'The Scratching Hag' wasn't really barbara, just something walking around in her skin. But the Diver always spoke as if it were Tom. I don't want to make it complicated and say that it behaved that way because Alan believed it was Tom and wrote it that way but that's a possibility. Alan found a Shoebox with his books of poetry during his first visit to the cabin. So he may have altered this entity to serve the role of Tom. But I don't know. I preferred the bad ending too.
As an addition, I agree with Valsh that it is possible this is just a dream and not a detail of the events. No clue. But I do like the idea that the dark place can create universes. It goes along with my hypothesis that the prime reality grew from the Dark Place at some point.
From the information I have seen, Samantha was the original version of the character who became Jesse. Even being from Ordinary and everything. But things changed as time went on.
Quantum Break is largely regarded as the black sheep here. Sad because there is a huge amount of world building here that will likely never get explored.
The shoebox is a loophole that Zane put into reality. ANY shoebox and the contents inside are immune to reality alterations. Not just a single shoebox. The FBC tested this and confirmed it to be true.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Oh nice, i just discovered tha channel after playing Alan wake remaster and Control and i have been binge watching all the videos 👍 . I still have to play Alan wake 2 tho hahaha .
It is a weird story. So in the original version of Control the documents had Ordinary in Wisconsin. It was only after the AWE dlc was released that they changed it to Maine.
one (honestly not so) cool example of a real world connection the pack of pyramid cigarettes in control being this like form of worship. there is a real world conspricacy behind that and i think like every cigarette having a pyramid on it or being directly related to a deity or some spin on the name of one. like the now fairly obvious connection between baal and balenciaga, but less deniable because its consistent with all cigarettes through the years. so "conspiracy" or not, they slipped it into the game.
I'm utterly convinced that the Bureau of Altered World Events was going to be a Tritagonist in Alan Wake 2. Everything seems like they were SO geared up for AW2... and then when Microsoft said no to that pitch, and Quantum Break started, that Sam Lake decided to write Control based off those ideas, and then after most of that had been done, the deal with getting Alan Wake back came up, and Sam re-worked the connection in.
Like, he has made stuff fit together beautifully, but if you look really really closely, you can kind of see where things were supposed to be headed, and how they got patched together. I think that's great writing though.
Absolutely. He has said that a lot of what went into Quantum break was AW2 and Control had aspects of AW3. In 2015 around when QB came out they had put a trademark request onto the Bureau of Altered World Events (AWE). I think they changed their mind and scrapped the idea and went another route with the FBC.
I also read that Samantha Wells was the original prototype for Jesse but that plot line was scrapped.
@@GamingUniversityUoG they also had got the domain for alanwake2.com, though I'm not sure if they still have the rights. It was gonna happen... Hopefully it still will.
This post has aged like fine, fine, wine. ❤
@@montlejohnbojangles8937 Thanks! Man I love being reminded of these old Remedy posts. lol
Both Samantha and Darling says that they think something "wonderful" is coming. Both say this in their last messages. Perhaps they're both connected into this? What could Polaris/Hedron be teaching Darling?
This analysis was interesting, and Samantha deserves a return, perhaps meeting her in the upcoming DLC, setting up future events? It'd be a huge tease and a welcome little info piece for big Alan Wake fans.
I never thought Barry would have contacted Samantha, but it makes sense. Perhaps he contacted Samantha after his contact to Alan through the Night Springs episode, connected those two stories and giving them a relevance to the world outside the Dark Place.
Also, your explanation on what happened to Zane and Jagger really helps the understanding of it. Their real selves are safe away... But, do they still have a piece of the story? Mr. Door? The Not-Mother (You should do an analysis of the Ordinary AWE, I didn't fully get to the bottom of it myself)?
Anyways, fantastic video! Really liked this one, added some more emphasis on the obvious connections. Perhaps the BAWE (Bureau of Altered World Events) is the public name of the FBC? A title to hide the truth in plain sight? I just kept on talking lol, but great vid still haha
6 months late to this comment, but I just finished Control Ultimate Edition and caught up with the Remedyverse so far, I think the "something wonderful" Samantha was referring to was the next game that advanced Alan Wake's story, which ended up being Control's AWE DLC. In that sense, Polaris' last lesson to Dr. Darling could be interpreted the same way. Maybe Polaris was showing him Control 2.
Maybe mr. door is actually mr. hatch
I'm having trouble sleeping at night, so I've been watching all your vids.... this is such a pleasant surprise to see right now!!
Glad I could give you something to enjoy!
Samee
I have the impression that Samantha was the "bootleg version" of Jesse, specially with Sam Lake saying that Control came out of a Alan Wake 2 idea
A lot of concepts for Control showed up in both American Nightmare a d This House of Dreams. The bureau of Altered World Events becoming the FBC. Ordinsry was first mentioned innan Old Gods Song. It wouldn't surprise me if originally Samantha was meant for more. They took another route later on though.
My ears perked up when you mentioned the Florence song in the blog Love that song one of my favorites
Honestly I had never heard it before I made this video lol. I'm glad I was able to discover it. Such a good tune and interesting message.
@@GamingUniversityUoG for sure it captures her moody tone oretty well and that long note omg
The outstanding issue is that if Samantha lived in Ordinary, we know that the only residents of the town to survive its AWE were the Faden twins.
Control occurs on Halloween 2019 (which puts the AWE into 2008/2009?), which means either Ordinary was repopulated after the FBC was done with it or stuff changed since 2012 in more than one way, perhaps with Zane's and Wake's reality-altering meddling, since the AWE DLC all but states that Alan wrote a lot (but not all) the plot of Control into being.
We do know according to the board in research that there was repopulation efforts for the town. Samantha is even referenced on it. Most likely this is why she is fixing the place up because job one has lived in it since the incident. The whole Ordinary saga needs a lot of holes filled in. Too many blank spots.
The AWE in Ordinary canonically happened on August 31, 2002.
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The house in question isn’t the Faden Household is it? That tidbit just kinda occurred to me one day.
Plus Jesse knows the poems and really know one else would.
@@TimeCircleBlue She definitely is familiar with Thomas Zane work, like as if it was mainstream and publicly known, but it wasnt. Remedy rabbit hole goes deep
When I read the blog my first guess as to who could've contacted Samantha was Clay Steward. I think Barry would instantly drive to her house to talk to her rather than trying to be less risky by asking her to stop posting
Yeah I had another comment about Clay Steward. I didn't really think about him honestly. That is another high possibility.
Holy heck! I could listen to your videos for hours on end, my friend! I just finished playing control and awe, almost done with foundation. What an amazing experience and story! There is so much there. I am so glad to know that developers are creating worlds like this with deep and complex stories. What a time to be alive!
Thank you friend! I'm glad your enjoying your experience through Control! Remedy really has made something special here. I've never seen a video game franchise be given this level of care by the developers. It is incredible. Let me know what you think of Foundation once you finish!
My guy they were hiring pay franchise director for Control. You should apply. You have a terrific grasp on their story.
I joked about it when they out out that ad lol. Sadly my resume includes nothing that would help with this kind of position. That would have been an amazing experience though if I could pull it off!
Lady of the light, Cynthia Weaver, in Alan Wake states that she was involved in love triangle with Thomas Zane. She says that he still speaks to her from the beyond through television and whatnot. Alan could be using same method to send messages to outside world. And could Frank Breaker be brother or husband of Sarah Breaker from Bright Falls?
In American Nightmare, my opinion is that Alan is sending a message through the TV since Barry fell asleep with the Night Springs Episode. Also it formed as a dream to Barry. And Frank Breaker is Sarah's father. He retired from the Bureau and started an Apple Orchard in Bright Falls.
I would have moved out of that house after the third blog post 😂
Lmao! Right! No dead birds for me haha.
@@GamingUniversityUoG birds... I feel like there was something important about birds in the Remedyverse but I can't put my finger on it right now.
@@Abudzinyou figure it out yet
This was eerie - impressive stuff truly
I loved that this was basically a Haunted House story told to be connected to the Remedyverse.
I just want to say that your choice of background pictures is amazing, really sets the mood. It's a pleasure to watch at night
Thank you! I originally planned to have a brighter house at the start and slowly change photos into the dark and foreboding one to reflect how the settings changes around Samantha. But I got lazy lmao.
Nothing better than seeing a new video
You're awesome man! Thanks for the comment
Here I am, after the release of Alan Wake 2. And this video is even more amazing to watch. to think they planed for this many years about the sequel is mind blowing.
Great analysis here! One question though: if Zayne' s essence travelled into a pocket plane at the time he resurrected Barbara (as a monster), then how was he able to take all the actions setting up the events of AW, such as writing himself out of existence (except for shoeboxes), guiding AW from the past (like with the clicker), and "drowning" Barbara in order to imprison the Dark Presence? Ostensibly, that would mean the Bright Presence took all those actions and wrote the poems while in Zayne' s skin, but the BP isnt an artist and cant create reality like Zayne. So it shouldnt have been able to do that. Some big piece seems missing from the equation...
It is implied that this occured after Zane brought Dark Barbara back, after he wrote himself out of the world and dived in. There is also the possibility that this was just a dream of Samantha's and these events are not to be taken as 100% factual.
I need to finish AWE to see if there are any more clues about Tom.
@@GamingUniversityUoG did Thomas's poem creat the hiss? Cus I heard the hiss first started out as a mix of words in a shoebox . Or did alen take the shoebox from Samantha to do something that would manifest as the hiss and did bringing it back to the "real world" activate it in one of the slides before Jesse burnt them but one .
@@miracon000fezNo, it was Alan's poem that created the Hiss. You probably know this by now, but if anyone is reading this, Hiss invasion was written by Alan, and the main purpose was to protect Alice from Hartman and the Dark Presence, keeping both busy. At least, so Alan himself wrote.
I finally finished Alan Wake after Control made me curious about it. This is a really good wrap up of some of the top connections between the two
From what I understand this blog played around with the story ideas that would eventually become control. Over 7 years there were some changes.
But yeah it is an interesting little side story.
@@GamingUniversityUoG yes, especially after Alan Wake 2 and considering Quantum Break takes place outside the main remedyverse its pretty clear to me that these blog posts take place within a different universe outside Alan Wake and Controls connected one
I love to see how more and more things are getting together.
Remedy, just announce AWE already! I need my answers!
They have said there will be an announcement on august 15th for the Remedy 25th anniversary! Let the hype begin!
@@GamingUniversityUoGsplendid. Hope we won't have to wait long.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Where did they say that? I must have missed it. I've been expecting late-July for a teaser trailer, and mid-august for release, so it lines up fairly well.
@@retropulse03 I'm thinking late August for the release. The steam release is a few days before, and Control leaves PSnow on the 31st.
Rewatching this video, I noticed something. The Bright Falls AWE document in Control says “Mr. Kirklund was alerted by ex-Bureau agent Frank Breaker that an AWE was taking place in Bright Falls. Breaker had received a call from Barry Wheeler on behalf of Breaker's daughter Sarah.”
Which makes me wonder how much Sarah knows/knew of Frank’s profession and the Bureau. Did Frank just tell her to holler if she noticed something unusual happening, whatever it might look like, or did he not keep his job a secret, either because he couldn’t or didn’t want to? Could Sarah have been an FBC agent too? Could she have been offered a job but turned it down for some reason? Questions, questions.
So in terms of how much Sarah knew about the FBC, we don't really know. However, there was a secret society in Bright Falls that monitored the odd things in town as a result of the Place of Power Cauldron Lake. It included Frank Breaker, Pat Maine, Deputy Thornton and Mulligan, Sarah, and a few others. Night Springs was their code phrase for letting them know something weird was happening.
So she was fully aware of the weirdness and the chain of command to have it taken care of. But it is hard to say if she knew about the Bureau itself.
Awesome vid! Love these two games, and their mysteries
There is so much fun stuff to explore with these games!
It’s crazy how much of this story Sam Lake has had ironed out for well over a decade by now. Dude is built different
It's absolutely insane. Wish I had that kind of dedication
Does this mean the house is altered item causing people who sleep in it to connect to those in the dark place somehow?
I have to say, even though Alan Wake is one of my favorite games, I never thought that much about it, but turns out there is a lot of world building outside of games.
Frankly I don't think it's the house specifically. It's more her discovery of the Shoebox that made the link. It's hard to say if it was completely accidental that she had this experience or if there was a lot more intention going on behind the scenes. The story is told from her point of view so it is hard to say.
11:29 RE the "Bright Presence" - The clip you provided immediately made me think of The Former, and how it shines a light at you in the darkness. I wonder if there's a correlation there... Additionally, I wonder if there's some symbology with The Former and a lighthouse - After all, a lighthouse isn't meant to draw you in... it's meant to steer you away.
Former has an eye that looks just like a light house lamp. Also, it is a fallen Board member. Light bearer, Fallen, you see where I'm going with this...
So… Here’s a theory… What if Zane/the Bright Presence “touched” Samantha and lied about his fate?
Like, the whole “baby universe” thing seems kind of… Inconsistent with that we learn in Alan Wake 1 about the rules of drama, like, it feels like Zane found a miracle cheat code that allowed him to bring Barbara back so they could live happily ever after.
So what if Zane _did_ merge with a Bright Presence… But didn’t create this universe? What if Zane tricked Samantha into believing that?
“But why would he do that?” You might be asking, and to answer that: to keep her out of trouble. He knows what happens with people who get dragged into his and Alan’s stories, and he wouldn’t want his, or Alan’s fate to befall anyone else.
My main point for this is how Samantha writes in the last post. After she talks about her dream, she goes on about how hopeful she feels and how everything’s going to be better from now on, seemingly forgetting about the shoebox and the pages, which seems weird, doesn’t it? You’d think she’d say something like “oh, some guys came and picked the shoebox” or something but no, she just turns into Komaeda.
So what if Zane touched her, similar to how the Dark Presence touched Alan and Rose in AW1, to make sure she stays away from it? To stay safe and not end up like him and Alan?
Edit: another piece of evidence I have for this is Zane’s, not the Bright Presence, or the Diver, Zane’s appearance in Alan Wake 2, if he’s in the baby universe, how can he still be in the Dark Place? And where’s Barbara in all of this?
Another good one! I really like your explanation about Thomas and Barbara. You are satisfying all my Remedy based game connections 😂 So glad you do these videos!
My absolute pleasure! I'm glad I can help scratch our Remedy cravings while we wait for AWE.
The Remedy-verse is def one of my favorites!
This is gonna be a overdue comment, but I don't know (given that I'm rewatching all of these again having now beaten Alan Wake II) if you know that Alan Wake and Remastered should be considered two different events. First is the Original, Second is Alan rehashing events, with newly acquired knowledge. Thus explaining the changes to the posters, and so forth. Not canon, but something I've recently considered. Given how Meta Sam is, I imagine this is how they view it. Much like the NG+ experience coming to Alan Wake II; same concept, different premise.
I've been binging your videos and in one you mention bodies of water being prevalent. Bright Falls, Cauldron Lake, Oceanview, Desert Shore.
Samantha Wells also fits since a well is something that contains a small amount of water.
The remedy world is AWEsome, well written and beautifully narrated.. remedy games are some of the few games that still care about the literary and artistic value more than cash grabbing..
I’d say, Remedy games are some of the few /AAA/ games that still care about the literary and artistic value. There are so many indie game developers on the same level as Remedy and Sam Lake when it comes to artistry and story telling. Check out Disco Elysium for example if you haven’t.
I have not finished the video yet, but I am commenting now to say that previous owners leaving things behind and there were weird noises the first night? Oh friend, you got yourself ghosts, throw the house away :(
Seriously!? Yep no time to get my money back. I hear there is a house 2 blocks up that's nice.
Is it weird that I have started listening to these to help me fall asleep? They also help me lucid dream, an ability I have been cultivating with limited but interesting results, not that these videos are unique in that effect as falling asleep to anything with a narrative to springboard off of increases the chance of lucid dreams.
“it will happen again in ordinary” maybe it’s an older song by the old gods, and this line is in reference to jesse and dylan’s AWE?
Love the emerging connections across all the IPs. I'm wondering if the shoeboxes have the same properties/effect as seen with the LIfeboat protocol in Quantum Break
Well the Shoebox was written as a loophole so that anything kept inside of one will be immune to world altering effects.
The lifeboat protocol creates an artificial Meyer-Joyce field so that time will flow even when broken in a focused area.
But I agree finding the strings connecting the IPs is a lot of fun.
Gaming University Me too! I still think we are semantically referring to the same thing. Metaphysically the game creators may have to reveal. I’m just wondering if the stutter / end of time constitutes a localized AWE (meta-temporally speaking). The end of time within one timestream among others. What connects an Ocean to a Lake? A River (river port)
@@GamingUniversityUoGI thought that shoeboxes were written not just as an immune to world changes, but as little portals to the Dark Place. I mean, look at the exact loophole:
"Inside this shoebox we killed for
There is
We don’t know what
Neat stacks of hundred dollar bills
Jewels like stars
The dreams of those who’ve slept in this town
The dream of this town (when we open it, the dreamer will wake, and we, all part of his dream, will be gone)
Our wishes come true
The power to punch a hole into the universe
Inside this shoebox we killed for
There is
A coffee thermos
A flashlight
A box of ammo
Two pages of poems
Countless wor(l)ds
Inside this shoebox we killed for
There is
No cat, poisoned or otherwise, dead or living, undead, un-cat
Baleful spirits
All the evils of the world
No hope
Nothing
Darkness"
THANK YOU FOR THIS!
You got it!
6:15 "I will link the song in the description below"
Just a friendly message to tell you that the link is not in the description.^^
Thank you for bringing this to my attention! I just updated the description with the music video of the tune.
@@GamingUniversityUoG And thank you for making these videos. :)
I don't always follow all the details in and around the games, so it's very nice to get info about the Mythologies and all their connections this way.
Could it be possible that the bright presence is the former, when the former was part of the board.
But because they failed to contain the darkness "the taken" the board kicked them out. And this is why the former is trying to take over alter items to try and make them oop to fight the taken. But they are still learning the process.
I think that mytery caller is more likely to be Clay Steward
Honestly didn't even think about him. That's another possibility. I like it.
@@GamingUniversityUoG just found the channel and I'm really liking it. Are you also looking at "The Alan Wake Files"?
I have used content from The Alan Wake Files in the past but I haven't done a video specifically on it yet. Thats something to look into in the future. Thanks for the suggestion!
Great work with these videos, Mr. University! :-)
Haha thanks! I'm glad you got a kick out of them.
Just came from the new vid on Sam Clay and the Alan Wake files.
I think Samantha Wells moved into the Faden's childhood home. In Control one of the houses in the Ordinary recreation map is red. That's likely the Faden house since Jesse and Dylan were the primary focus of the AWE and known powerful parautilitarians.
The daughter of the previous owner mentioned would be Jesse and the poems of Thomas Zane in the reality lockbox (aka shoebox) once belonged to her. Jesse quotes the same Zane poem as Alan; showing that even though reality has been changed: making Zane a film maker; Jesse has retained information about him from a previous reality.This is likely Alan Wake's doing: connecting Zane to Ordinary and to Jesse and the FBC as part of his writing Return. It’s the same thing he did to Dr. Hartman and Alice in the DLC to set the events of the Investigation Division being abandoned into motion.
It reminds me of American Nightmare's explination of being true to the character's within a story to make it believable and come alive. When Alan creates a character for them to come to life they must be real; really real, with a backstory, motivation, origin, everything.
Not a lot to take from it, but they showed a trailer for the AWE Control expansion! VERY excited for it, and your take on the info it will have! Only RUclipsr I sub to for Remedy lore!
Thank you for supporting us! It really means a lot. Also I just uploaded our first video taking a look at the AWE trailer and some clues in it. Let me know what you think!
@@GamingUniversityUoG I certainly will!
Is it possible the man that "threatened" her was Chester Bless?
I don't see it as a threat. More professional advice. And no the most likely identity is Clay Steward. Someone who is already being attacked by the bureau
I do not believe anyone you listed would have contacted Samantha about the shoebox and the poems, under the condition that none of them have a good recollection of Thomas Zane. The only logical person to do so must have been Dr. Hartman. He must have seen the blog and wanted the poems, lying about "keeping her safe," as he is extremely manipulative. He would have had to make this call before he jumped into Cauldron Lake and turning into a creature of darkness.
To rule out the FBC and Frank, why would either one of them be so indirect about it? If they wanted the shoebox that badly, they would have just come in person and asked for it. However, Barry would be too busy with the Anderson brothers and The Old Gods of Asgard to have come across some random blog about a house. This ties back to Hartman, he would have been the only person actively searching for information in regards to Bright Falls, Zane, and Wake.
One possibility which another commenter suggested was Clay Steward. He was also plagued by dreams that involved Alan. It lasted for a while until he visited Bright Falls. The Bureau has him under surveillance.
Awesome story!!! Thank you!
You got it!
can't imagine how far back did Remedy even set up for their connected universe !!
yknow at a first glance, those "ink blobs" are very similar to the Deer Masks lol, did they plan the concept of Cult of the Tree (and/or Word) all the way back since the OG Alan Wake 2?
Thomas and Alan can give a person aid only in a dream and shoe box was taken, brought back and the inside assortments were changed in the actual world. Lady of the Light probably had some personal writings and unpublished poems by Thomas. They have a connection, a history and perhaps she either knew about the other clicker, or he instructed her in a dream. Where did she get the manuscript? Barry would most likely not have the poems. Can Thomas and Alan use the shoe box to transfer objects between the dream world and the actual one - as a portal of sorts?
I mean it's possible. There is always a potential that this one was there before and left there. Which would beg the question if someone related to Tom or Barbara used to live in that house. It is all so vague so it's hard to say.
@@GamingUniversityUoG That is true. Perhaps we will learn about it some day.
Samantha Wells…. There is a man by the name of Rupert Wells in the Bureau, the medic we meet in the Clock Threshold. Maybe they could be related
The house is an apex or a dimensional link which used the person as both the conduit with the Shoebox as the only Object that is linked to the house, possibly an Area of power. The AWE personnel is possibly an alternare universe indicator which never changed their name.
Alan Wake's screams may have been a dimensional scream, since he and his other him were in the middle of their conflict, enough for him to end his other Adam and himself back into the darkness.
But then, the box is possibly an object that exits in all dimensions, and Alan found it, used it to have his added means with Night Springs as to influence and tip the scales of conflicts from the darkness for the survival of humankind.
Just finished AWE for Control..
I can say my biggest disappointment with Control and its DLC so far is that they never used the song "Control" by POE... which I thought would be thematically perfect for Jesse's character development and I felt, a far more appropriate song for the Ash tray maze... plus, they used her song, "Haunted" in Alan Wake so I thought it'd be a good call back.
Oh also, "Ash Tray Maze"... sounds a bit like "Ash Tree Lane"... the house on that street was also a maze... but much more hostile.
I just picked up a copy of House of Leaves yesterday! I'm looking forward to studying it with Control in mind.
I'm going to have to listen to those tunes. Music is definitely something that sets the mood and emotion in the narrative as it did in Alan Wake.
@@GamingUniversityUoG
Excellent!
While reading, I'd recommend paying close attention to inconsistencies in terms of who the real author is in the story... there are 3 suspects not counting MZD himself.
Also, POE's album, Haunted, and single Angry Johnny serve as companions to House of Leaves.
Finally, I'd put emphasis on how the book explores the idea of a Minotaur in a labyrinth on a metaphorical level... and the interesting parallels between that and a lot of the Remedy verse...
Oh almost forgot...
Parent-child relationships, both real and imagined play a big role in the book...
And it's one reason I suspect Hedron/Polaris and the Hiss are more intimately connected than we've seen so far...
@@GamingUniversityUoG oh also, to help find thematic links throughout all narratives concerned... keep in mind the concept of echoes...
Not parallel, not opposites, but beside one another... different versions of the same thing, same story...
Consequences are the same
I think they didn't use the Poe song because it's about having control, and the Old gods song is about gaining control. It's also a ritual personally written for Jesse to help master her powers, and a prophecy of her future
Im confused bc in the research sector didn't the beurau had the box and the it disappeared they were doing testing on it
Yeah I mention this. At some point the Bureau attains it but it randomly goes missing in the middle of their tests. See the red text in the bottom right.
But they also say that ANY Shoebox has this effect. Not just this one.
@@GamingUniversityUoG The Shoebox is interesting, and I honestly hope it shows up again in AWE. If you look in Bird Leg Cabin when you first arrive there's a shoebox full of Zane's works. Alan even comments "I've never heard of him" or something.
I'm driving myself insane speculating on the contents of the Investigations Sector
Same here buddy! We know that things related to the unsolved AWEs are there. Bright Falls, Sterling, Chester Bless, etc.
a) it seems really clear to me that one of the ink blotted photos has an angry pair of eyes staring out, one in each blot
b) i thought someone laid it out that the person warning Samantha was Clay Steward, after he was detained by FBC-type-people. (not sure where i read/heard this. maybe in one of your later videos?)
Thomas and Barbara the poet and the muse...
Such a good song.
@@GamingUniversityUoG been meaning to respond to you for a bit, was listening to the soundtrack on my commute to work and I realized Tom is mentioned by name in the song, AW is still blowing my mind a decade later.
Could Chester Blessed be the mystery caller?
After speaking with some viewers and community members I think we came to the conclusion that it was Clay Stewart who called her. He had recurring dreams of Alan and ended up traveling to Bright Falls in search of answers after Wake vanished. He has experience in this kind of weirdness and was I interviewed by the Bureau afterwards which would explain why he is aware of them.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I don't know who is this guy hahaha need some research, so I'm gonna come back to read this comment again soon
@@LuisFelipe-st1ut he showed up briefly at the very beginning of Alan Wake, in the dream-sequence tutorial.
He sometimes shared dreams with Alan (we dont know why) he also wrote something of a book, "The Alan Wake Files" that has a lot of good background info about Bright Falls and the goings on after the events of the game
Sounds like she's thinking, ah, "I Wish I Had More Lights"
...which makes me wonder if she was ever given a Boar's Head during any of this :D
Not exactly on topic, but I was wondering if you're intending to do any videos on Stray
I got the sense there was a surprising amount to unpack there and I'm sure my own mind didn't catch all of it.
I'm honestly not sure if I like the last post, and the fact that Tom and Barbara are in their own little universe living happily ever after.
Doesn't that just take away from Tom's mistake? The whole lesson Alan had to learn about how he needed balance? Why he needed to sacrifice himself in order to get Alice safely out? Why does the Bright presence act as if it is Tom? Why does Alan and Cynthia speak to it certain that it's Tom?
Zane says during "The Writer" special episode that Alan finally fixed the mistake he made with Barbara a long time ago. But apparently now this isn't actually Tom and Barbara, and that the mistake was fixed long ago when he apparently easily undid it by making a happy ending for him and Barbara.
I love Tom as a character because of the pain he has gone through, and the lengths he is now going to to help Alan not make the same mistake and save Alice. Whether inside or outside the dark place. This seems to just undo all that
Is it a fact? It was a dream, after all.
I am having difficulties wrapping my head around the lore. =P
Honestly I have been trying to rationalize the thematic relevance of this as well. From Alan's perspective it is irrelevant since he isn't aware of this.
Granted it was always understood that 'The Scratching Hag' wasn't really barbara, just something walking around in her skin. But the Diver always spoke as if it were Tom.
I don't want to make it complicated and say that it behaved that way because Alan believed it was Tom and wrote it that way but that's a possibility. Alan found a Shoebox with his books of poetry during his first visit to the cabin. So he may have altered this entity to serve the role of Tom. But I don't know. I preferred the bad ending too.
As an addition, I agree with Valsh that it is possible this is just a dream and not a detail of the events. No clue.
But I do like the idea that the dark place can create universes. It goes along with my hypothesis that the prime reality grew from the Dark Place at some point.
The dark presence and bright presence possessing people and fighting an eternal war could be related to hedron and the hiss.. or god and devil
I fully believe Alan Wake 2 will dive more into the origin of these two entities. Bright presence at the very least
Is this the same shoebox we use in Alan Wake 2?
Did you ever do videos of the poems? They don't seem to be in the playlist.
I think I figure it out, Samantha Wells is the "Alan Wake" for Barbara.
From the information I have seen, Samantha was the original version of the character who became Jesse. Even being from Ordinary and everything. But things changed as time went on.
Looking at the pictures with ink, the ink looks like deer masks now after aw2.
yooo this is mentioned in the Alan Wake 2 dlc
Can you make a video with theories about the Northmoor sarcophagus container power plant and how the control points link the board to normal reality?
For that I'd honestly want to wait until after AWE just in case there is new information. These two topics are definitely on the list though.
did gaming university ever get around to analyzing the poems? and if so, where is the vid so i can watch it?
I never did get around to foing a full breakdown on them sadly.
@@GamingUniversityUoG thats ok.
Will there be a video of the Poems from this House of Dreams somewhere down the road?
At this time it isn't on the list but I can add it in. During the live stream where we did a read through we all theorized on each one.
I love all three games but so far Quantum break is the one game i cant beat and its because of the KO bombs
Quantum Break is largely regarded as the black sheep here. Sad because there is a huge amount of world building here that will likely never get explored.
Jesse and Dylan's town of ordinary was in Maine. Not Wisconsin.
This detail was patched after the AWE dlc. In the original Control release the documents said Wisconsin.
@@GamingUniversityUoG that's what i thought too. I was confused
@@GamingUniversityUoG no way, which AWE document?
Maybe the shoebox is an O.O.P already bound to someone .🤔
The shoebox is a loophole that Zane put into reality. ANY shoebox and the contents inside are immune to reality alterations. Not just a single shoebox. The FBC tested this and confirmed it to be true.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Oh nice, i just discovered tha channel after playing Alan wake remaster and Control and i have been binge watching all the videos 👍 . I still have to play Alan wake 2 tho hahaha .
I’m still waiting for where Purple Guy fits into it all... :P
This is where i heard Ordinary was in Wisconsin. But isn't it in Maine? Are there 2 Ordinarys?
It is a weird story. So in the original version of Control the documents had Ordinary in Wisconsin. It was only after the AWE dlc was released that they changed it to Maine.
@@GamingUniversityUoG i thought i was living in a pocket mandala universe. So it's more of a story goof they fixed
one (honestly not so) cool example of a real world connection the pack of pyramid cigarettes in control being this like form of worship. there is a real world conspricacy behind that and i think like every cigarette having a pyramid on it or being directly related to a deity or some spin on the name of one. like the now fairly obvious connection between baal and balenciaga, but less deniable because its consistent with all cigarettes through the years. so "conspiracy" or not, they slipped it into the game.
Could the mysterious caller be Chester Bless?
One theory I heard after this was released is that it was Clay Steward. Since he has ties to the Alan Wake situation and is on the FBC watchlist
Thanks