2:12:40 Disagree. It doesnt feel like a sacrifice because there was nothing to sacrifice. She sacrificed the love of the villagers in the live action? They literally despised a child for not resisting against superhuman creatures who have murdered her mother. They never truly loved her, they were just randos. In the anime, it puts into perspective what Nami is fighting for. People who legitimately loved her and deserve to be saved.
The village knowing but not telling her was to help keep a gap between them and Nami. Despite them seeing the whole "buying the village" plan as their last hope for freedom, they wanted leave the option open for Nami to quit and live her life if she chose to. Genzo said that if they told her sooner, then they would be putting even more weight and guilt on her. They wanted her free even if they will never be. But, once the money was stolen, all hope was lost. Once it was clear that Arlong will never let them be free, they decide (not exactly to help Nami) to at least die standing up against Arlong and still telling Nami to leave the island and live her life. Them never knowing is fine, but this adds a lot more layers to the story and isn't writing that makes things "easy", it makes the characters and the story a little more complex.
All the little changes the live action made that distanced Nojiko, Genzo, and the village from the story were by far the changes I disliked the most in the live action. It doesn't break the story or anything, the narrative still holds together with the villagers not knowing but it reduces the impact so much. Nojiko's tattoos don't mean anything, Genzo is no longer a father figure to Nami and the pinwheel Genzo wears no longer means anything and Nami's tattoo now only refers to Bellemere and not to Genzo, the fishmen finding Bellemere's house is no longer caused by the argument Nami had with her making it less tragic, there no longer any attempt by the village to save the girls or Bellemere, and I can honestly keep going with all the various ways these changes reduced the value of the characters and their emotional impact on the story. I'm fine with most of the changes made to the live action both for the reasons of abridging and saving budget for other things but I really feel that Arlong Park is Oda's most tightly written arc, others are better overall, but it fits together so perfectly that any missing piece becomes a glaring omission. That said going forward while there are quite a few arcs I think are overall better than Arlong Park I don't think any going forward are quite so tightly written as this one, so I have some confidence in the writing team going forward.
@@kishi_K0 It was wishful thinking. They know Nami is a sneaky person. So if anyone could escape that nightmare, Nami could (is what they were thinking).
Her asking for Luffy’s help isn’t cheapened because the villagers knew about her sacrifice. In fact it makes that moment better because the villagers are basically running off to get slaughtered, and that’s the moment that causes Nami to break.
In defence of Pearl, you guy keep insisting that he's just there to create fire and atmosphere- but his main function is for Gin. If you don't see Gin smash though Pearl's shield in one hit, then you don't really feel the weight and danger behind him when Sanji fights Gin. Pearl also gets sacrificed to give us a sense of Gin's inner conflict, simultaneously wanting to save Sanji but also retain his loyalty to Krieg. If you don't have Pearl, then you lose a surprising amount. He's not Oda's greatest character, but these wacky minor villains are usually made as building blocks for more major characters during an arc.
Throughout the entire East Blue saga, Oda has shown that treasure can be different things to different people. So, while the One Piece may be a physical thing, it isn't limited to being just gold, jewelery or valuables.
@@musabs5848 ikr... (1) the Red Line & Grand Line making an X on the One Piece globe (2) how close Sanji's dream has narratively been portrayed to Luffy's (3) Madam Shyarly (4) Enies Lobby & Lulusia (...) I could go on like this forever, the clues are definitely out there
@@musabs5848there are many king videos going all of the evidence for an against this exact theory and it probably is the most supported theory for the one piece to date
It's so interesting seeing your perspective by watching the live action version before the anime version, because it is so different from the perspective of a lot of us longtime fans, like you guys enjoyed the addition of Garp and his storyline with Koby in the series. This is something that at first made everyone very excited because it did - and makes - sense that they have more screen time considering the future of the story, but in the end it was something that became an almost unanimous complaint of the hardcore Fandom for how these characters interacted and were placed at some points and also for the screen time they had, leaving important points of the main characters outside over this new storyline. All of this makes me curious to see what you' ll think of their storyline in the anime, since although I liked the live action version I still prefer the original story, seeing your opinions and tastes in each character its so much fun. PS: Usopp is my favorite character in the anime so I have a greater criticism of how they chose to represent his story in the LA, since he isn't a character that most people put as favorite, and many even hate that he is not as strong and brave as the other members of the crew, I had the hope that his moments of fear and bravery would be placed well beyond the right times during the series and its something I personally hope that happens in the future. For me Usopp is an essential character in the story, being the most human and comparable to the reality of the people who watch it. Most people would feel like him in a world like the One Piece world having no powers. He is someone who has not eaten magic fruit, does not have a superhuman force, was not trained with swords or kicking or lived his life stealing from pirates, he is someone who lived in a quiet small village his entire life, without training, just knowing that his father was and is a pirate, he's a boy with a DREAM but without any plot convenience resource to make him achieve it until meeting luffy and the others, his dream is to get what they already have, to have the courage to do what they do, and it's something I can personally put my shoes in, with my fears and barriers that I have to face to achieve what I want, so I thought the live action ended up missing a great opportunity to show this to those who watch. Sorry for the long text, and my bad english, I'm a new subscriber from Brazil, I'm loving your reactions, I hope you guys enjoy this long ride S2 S2
Don’t speak for all one piece fans, some remember some acted like this but everyone is different you should appreciate that individuality of everyone’s opinions.
Usopp is my favorite character as well. True courage is not the absence of fear. It's taking action in spite of being afraid. The monster trio are fearless, so they have less to overcome to take action. Usopp is the most courageous because he has to overcome crippling fear and anxiety and self-doubt, but he still always shows up for his friends.
@@aureliacortez3625 I didn't mean to speak for all one piece fans, i'm sure i use the words "a lot of", "some" or "the most people" to describe some of the different takes one piece fans have and then i said my own opinion as well, i'm sorry if you took it that way but you misunderstood me
@@pickthestickup yes, I love that this is represented as a goal along like being king of the pirates, it shows us that any goal is important as long as it's something you live for it to achieve it
I'm ok with both ways it was done. I think the live action took a simpler route. Everyone knowing Nami's sacrifice all the time would be hard to explain I feel like.
@@delongtsway953 It wouldn't even have worked in live action. I would have liked slight changes like Nojiko knowing and Genzo finding out - but this is all that could have been done.
My thing with the idea of "the One Piece is the friends we made along the way" is that there is no surprise there, like Luffy already knows that,what would the lesson matter when the main character already learn it. Hell he doesn't even care about the One Piece right now either he cares about the Pirate King title. I do think it is an actual physical thing but I really doubt it's anything like gold and gems. Now for Trivia: 🏴☠One Piece at a time🏴☠: Acording to Oda One Piece was originally a story that would end in 5 years, its been 26.
Also without spoiling, as you continue watching the series, it becomes very obvious that the one piece is an actual thing that will have a massive influence. There's no way that anyone paying attention to the story will continue to think it's something dumb like the friends we made along the way as more information is revealed, but it's not surprising to see people think that way at this point in the story.
@@Gopal__S Yeah, it actually really interesting beacuse the Orange town arc is all about this very idea of "what is treasure" and the thing Luffy regards as treasure is Shank's strawhat, a physical thing.
@@Gopal__S it's disappear before that. But every of my last tiny bit of doubt disappear when "the gigantic war will embriold the world one day. when someone find the treasure, The whole world will turn upside down" came out. Lmao
in regards to nami and the village in the anime specifically i think it ultiamtely comes down to the arc being about nami BELIEVING she had lost everything, that she cut tis with everything she wanted or cared about in service of a greater goal and beleiving she HAD to work alone...and then the story going "NO. You were NEVER alone, you don't have to do ANTYHING by yourself." I can see how one could prefer the live aciton change of the villagers not knowing, but havingthem now adds so much to how much the village as a whole loves her and what they're willing to do for her sake. It also helps give her the courage to leave, because she can go without thinking she HAS to protect the village by herself, she CAN go and chase her dreams and live for herself. Her asking luffy for help has NOTHING to do with her feeling alone, its tied to her realising she CAN'T do anything herself. She CAN'T convince the villagers to just be patient.She CAN'T just trust Arlong.She can't just tell luffy to go away because she is POWERLESS and she needs to ask for help because she jsut can't burden herself lie this anymore. It's about nami learning to trust in others and being able to rely on other people.
The one piece being the friends we made along the way just doesn’t work narratively. Gold Roger was given the title of pirate king in part because he obtained the one piece. Gold roger also indicated the one piece being in the grand line so it doesn’t make sense to be talking about friendship. Then you have oda saying it’s not friendship which it the biggest indicator of it not being about the friends made. Also I think oda is smart enough to realize people will turn on him and op if the one piece is about friendship. You don’t create one of the biggest mysteries in animanga history just to be like it was the friends we made.
Carson wanting child Nami to suffer more sends me.💀“She’s not sacrificing enough in the anime” lmao she’s a victim bro, trapped with the village held hostage. Isn’t sacrificing her dream enough? 😭
Shanks is that character who whenever he shows up, he becomes more complicated and leaves you asking even more questions. It's gonna be so fun seeing you guys make theories about him. He's easily the most mysterious, intriguing character in my personal opinion
A lot of the locations felt similar because you were in East Blue. Thats how all the locations are in that territory. Once you get to the Grand Line however EVERY Island will be drastically different from the last.
Im not sure if Oda has said that the one piece is a physical object or not, but he has specifically said its not something like friendship when asked a question about it
@@foxtrot1572 spoilers so don't read. final warning. ok this is the final warning: but the friendship thing woudn't make sense in the story. especially when we first meet rayleigh, he said that once the strawhats finds it, they wouldn't be able to do anything with their current power
@@bendover7841spoilers ahead: yeah. it looks like a poneglyph, so I think once they read it, the strawhats has to do something after. i don't think its gonna end with him finding the one piece. he's probably gonna break down the red wall or something where marijoa is on
We don't know for sure what the One Piece actually is but the implications of the story hint that One Piece is a lot more than gold & jewels. It's much much bigger than that. As you move through this world you'll begin to slowly realize that something in this world....isn't right. You will begin to feel that something is off. The world of One Piece isn't quite what it seems. And the One Piece treasure is the key at the heart of it all.
The main reason I like The village knowing Nami’s secret is cause they know that if she thinks they hate her, there’s a small chance that she can give up and escape Arlong if she wanted. I think the sacrifice mostly comes from her finally being wealthy and that money not being for herself, plus her own passion of map making being a form of torturous work.
According to Oda One Piece was supposed to only last for 5 years and Luffy was supposed to have assembled an entire crew after 150 chapters. When it became more popular it allowed Oda to expand the story and introdcue more characters, plot points and arcs. Fun Fact: The Seven warlords weren't supposed to be a thing, Romance Dawn was the orginal name of the manga before OnePiece, the Marines were supposed to be more evil and act like gangsters, Zoro was supposed to be one of Buggy's henchmen, Usopp was supposed to be vice captain, Sanji was originally called Naruto, and Hatchan was supposed to be a girl. Also, Oda wrote 2 One-Shots for One Piece before the manga and had two versions of Luffy's backstory. One in wich Shanks saves Luffy and gives him the Straw hat and the other one in which Garp was supposed to be a pirate and give Luffy the Straw hat.
2:14:20 I think the opposite about this topic actually Youre telling me the whole village saw how a little girl just decides to join the pirates that killed her mother and they dont question it at all? What they just assume shes evil now? A little girl? Its dumb I can understand the initial shock, but Gen in the manga instantly backs off and thinks about whats happening Its WAY more believable that they would know, it makes really no sense for them all to just accept little child Nami turned evil And also its way more of an original twist that they all knew and didnt ssy anything, from a reader perspective
I really love the feel of Logue Town because it gives you the "begining city" kind of vibe you get in a d&d game. When you finally leave the small villages and towns behind and go to the region's big city for shopping and realizing the world is much bigger than you previously thought.
NO SPOILERS: I'd actually argue that Don Krieg is super important, not particularly because of his story, but because Gin and how he contrasts with Sanji. In the live action, Sanji is sort of just a cool dude who tells them his backstory, while in the anime we get to see his values about feeding an enemy be tested in real time and his defining personality trait (his kindness) is showcased in a much more thorough way. It says way more about his extreme type of selflessness which is the driving thing about his character, where the conflict isn't relevant to him in the live action and the arc is more about Nami, Zoro, and Luffy than him. Him being freed by his imaginary shackles from seeing Luffy and Zoro pursuing their dreams and by seeing how Gin's lojality to Krieg is a prison is way more apparent in the anime whereas the live action just has him change his mind because we need him to join the crew. Same with Usopp. The kids aren't important characters and some of the fluff isn't that important either. However, both of these aspects say a lot about him as a character and gives his storyline more weight whereas putting that focus on Kaya (who might aswell be a one-off character like the town mayor in orange town) and Nami takes away his depth. It takes away from HIS story and HIS character which the arc is supposed to be about. In the anime people either hate or love Usopp, but in the live action I see most people being very neutral on him, which I think is a shame since he's supposed to be one of the five main characters. TLDR; I hope Zoro and Nami take a backseat in season 2, because Usopp and Sanji might aswell be side characters in the live-action (it's obviously a consequence of the format, but it's still something that I think the anime does way better). Luffy is also way more generic in the live action. He's sort of just a good dude, while the anime showcases his unique character way more (not listening to backstories, "forcing" Zoro and Sanji to join him, and not being worried or thinking about the consequences). Him being powerful also sort of extends the idea that he's a force of nature, while the live action version is more of a generic shonen protagonist who powers up when things are tough. And Garp...don't get me started on Garp, can't say much, but the change in his character was easily the biggest mistake in this adaptation and Oda has even said that it was the one change that he didn't want to go along with. I also way prefer the Nami thing in the anime because she's not a sacrifice but a victim. Anime Arlong forces her into slavery and brands her, while the Netflix version has her give herself up and join him on her own. Which is a huge difference that I can't say more about. The live-action is still really good, but I feel like it's held back by the format in some ways that the anime just isn't. It might be tighter, but it loses a lot of depth along the way as a consequence of being an adaptation. Sure, these changes cuts the fat and improves the pacing, but as AP Canavan (professor in fantasy literature and developmental editor) once said, not everything needs to be extremely relevant to the immediate storyline, some aspects can just exists to develop a theme or showcase an idea that the reader wouldn't have got to experience if you cut it out and only focused on getting from point A to B. There are things that the anime does better like killing of characters, more foreshadowing to future developments, Kaya being a deeper characters, some of the locations being more creative, and the romance aspect actually being explored, but overall I maintain that the source material is the definitive version. Anyway, thank you for reading my take! Love the content keep up the good work. Btw, Oda is a planner. Like he had plans for characters and storylines back then that only are happening now 20 years later. He has some improv, but most of it is planned and he tends to have very detailed ideas for a lot of characters (even if he adapts them to fit future stories.
The likes that people have comes from people who are unaware of the source material or just looking for a new netflix series to bandwagon. It's basically the same slighly average feel just the one piece "elements" around " it. And changing certain traits of characters because they " might be a problem". 👎 I guess they have a make-believe standard for this series, when a character does something like flirting or a more crazy thing, They're appalled!!?? Well, don't set your expectations to "water 7" drama, or, see the exaggerated facual reactions, clown man that divide this body parts, luffy casually injuring the he'll out of his crewmates. There's been sexual humor in other things, this is tame.
I have seen interview where Oda said he can be distracted with the small details of the story or even small background character. So you saying the extra story is true and Oda is aware of it. That is also the reason why the world of OP feel so big naturally and also why it drag that long. But as you also said, we still love it because the extra are added with care and not just to fill in some kind of quota in the story It also match with the tone of OP itself. So it is not out of character for these extra to exist in the story. I cant wait for you to venture more into the story that you will make your own theory.
@royalfun1031 there is actually 1 example and the 'dragging' word is actually use by Oda himself. I have not reach or found that part yet. But there is actually 1 character (underling from beast pirate). Oda was supposed to wrote about the character backstory to explain why they act the way they are (it was due to bullying by fellow beast pirate) but he decided to not write it since that arc is already long enough. But he did have a rough sketch or idea of how it should go. I will try to find where it show or who the characters is. If I do found it, I will include here.. most probably it won't have a name tho since it is beast pirate underling
It's so fun seeing first time watchers talk about Shanks. He is the most theorized character in the One Piece fandom and a lot of people have different, wild theories about him and what exactly his motives are😆
I love reading classical literature. I've read a ton of the major classics and a ton of modern books. And I've read ALL the major shonen manga. One Piece is one of the best things I've ever read in any genre or medium.
I've been enjoying watching more book reviewers and English professors get into One Piece precisely because of this. A lot of manga-only readers compare One Piece to the action-style of the iconic manga (like Dragonball, etc) and so find it lacking. But One Piece is an Epic, it should be compared to LotR, the Oddessy/Illiad, Paradise Lost and that ilk. Every story has a theme, every literary choice has a purpose. Even something as simple as placing a straw hat on a young boy, framed in the same way as to mimic coronating a young king, is this layered and nuanced thing that follows through the whole story. It's not perfect, but neither are the classics, but there are definitely people out there missing just how amazing it truly is for want of anything similar to compare it to.
its the only show that made me tear up,I mean even if its not Shakespeare like they said,even if it isnt as highly regarded as other stuff,to me it is so far,how can it not be when I touches you like that?when it thouches many people like that?Should we rate stories high just because they are highly regarded? Other shows and stories I remember that they are just fiction,I dont even felt close to tearing up,but with one piece for some reason even knowing its fiction I teared up.
It's interesting seeing you guys going through the theories and predictions people in your situation made over 20 years ago. It'll be all the more interesting to see you change your mind about all this too, like we did. One Piece was very much in its infancy in East Blue, and the story develops into something much more mature in later arcs.
In orange town, every characters is created for treasure: chuchu, mayor, nami, luffy and buggy, they all have their treasure to protect and to pursue, and that's the reason they fighting each other. In usopp town,there is a big liar and a small liar, and the small liar lie to protect others, the big liar lie to protect himself. They fight because they need to continue their lies. In baratie, everything is bulit by lacking of food, which is very realistic in ocean. All this arc are all bulit by different topic, and all of the topic lost in the live action. Live action storyline becomes soulless and cheesy, unless you like marvel movies, because it just feel like a worse version of marvel movie ,with a lot of cringe jokes.
It's also important to note that Oda has had the ending planned out since before One Piece was even written. Which is another difference between him & the author of Naruto. One Piece is a lot more thoroughly planned and every character serves a purpose. Although he does leave room for him to add new things to the story along the way so that his writing never gets boring. I'd say One Piece is about 95% planned and 5% improvised.
@yabeguns1ezu It's clear he didn't. He probably planned 3 more arcs after alabasta, he couldn't do that, so introduce more stuff. And 26+ years going.....
@@nathandanczak7822 26 years later and its dogshit lmao, Nu-piece is such a joke, completely souless and filled with Flanderized versions of all the characters.
SPOILER The 95% ist a little bit overexagerated. E.g. It is confirmed that the Warlords were Not supposed to be a thing at first. Main antagonist were only the four emperors. Also the Super Novas were improvised by Oda right before Sabaody, so everything with them only could have been planned from this point on. Oda is still human, he cant plan an entire series that will publish over 30 years. But he is sklilled at making things go the right direction beetween the corner stones of the story he already had in mind ages ago.
It's just interesting to hear your current opinions from your perspective after only 50-60 episodes. Would be unfair trying to argue some topics here. But still something I'd like to add: Oda sensei and his editors did their job more than anyone could, clear facts. His not Shakespeare but he's already up there - top10 bestsellers authors records. He already worked as an assistant on Rurouni Kenshin, and already had another one-shot story. Then, One piece - is about MC sailing on dangerous ocean to become Pirate King. It makes sense why Luffy's strong from the beginning, logically. It's not time thing. DB, Naruto, Bleach etc chose other path without clear endpoint leaving room for infinite power-ups and trainings. LA did homework so poor by some reasons: 1st episode - Luffy's backstory with Shanks. He taught him not to fight for no reason, then we see Zoro beating Helmeppo (why they gave him Smoker's moment?) and all other marines for no reason (bad guy just yelled at girl bumping with food...) - Luffy's excited watching this.... 2. Changing Luffy's personality and his thoughts about pirates "good pirates/bad pirates", lecturing other people, not to listen to their own mentors - seiously??? 3. Other characters also so dumb starting with Garp from the very beginning, ending with Nami's hometown villagers.... 4. Losing the main theme about fate and each person's will - this conversation comes after hundreds episodes later
i think when it comes to naruto all the important fights are serious and all the powers are jsut explained by "oh that was his special ninja magic". meanwhile ine one piece even the serious fights will have comedic and cartoony elements to them so they aren't 100% super serious all the time and sometimes a dude can jsut be a hypnotist without it beign some huge deal with a massive backtory or explanation behind his power it's a thing he can DO. THe figths in one peice feel more inventive and fun and less restricted, in my opinion. SO very different approaches but those differences do affect how much you'll like one or the other.
thats what it feels like to us as well there are ups and downs to either approach, but what I like about this in comparison to naruto, is that because its not taking itself as serious, when things turn out silly and anticlimactic, it can be for a funny joke. But in naruto, when Kishimoto changes his mind mid fight, or encounters some problem with the logic, he has to break the fight in order to keep the story going, and it can mess with the continuity and the logic of the power systems. If someone does something like that in one piece, its just fun and silly so its not as big a deal
Man, this is really good. Doing this podcast/discussion on the Big Arcs will be incredible. All of this is foreshadowing within foreshadowing within foreshadowing and just Oda planting the seeds. You should watch more of the story before making theories on the “One Piece”. Lindsay has the most W takes here😅
@@BOLDcastOnePieceBasically pigeonholing the story and assuming that you already know what tricks it has in its bag, regarding the physicality of the One Piece. There is more to the OP world than meets the eye that you don't know about yet
But Lindsay said the same thing though? 1st why is that an L? We just guessing based on what we know, nothing wrong with that 2nd, we said the exact same thing and have the same opinion. So why do I get an L and Lindsay gets a W?
@@BOLDcastOnePieceOops, didn't see this. First off, sorry for the childish comment. I can't remember why I made it, must've been moody (and also wildly misinterpreting things) at the time. As for why people give you L's specifically and not Lindsay, I think it's because she's so ambivalent about things potentially being one way or another while focusing on the exact plot, while you take a much more passionate approach and invest in certain stances to build more anticipation for the eventual discovery and make things more interesting. The problem with that approach is that it makes you an easy target for argumentative people because you give them something to latch onto.
I hope that you guys refer back to some of your points in this video when you get deeper into the series. It'd be really interesting to see you guys discuss what you got right and wrong when you were just starting out.
Here is the main difference of Live action to Anime for me: In the Live action, all of the characters and villains targeted Luffy. It makes the world feels small. Also they are all going for the One Piece. In the anime, the villains are doing their own things and Luffy just happened to be there and make chaos of things for the villains. Like, Arlong and his crew is said to be from the grandline, in the Live Action, why would they target Luffy for a map from the grandline? He can just have Nami draw a map for him if he brings Nami there or he has Nezumi from the marines, he can just pay him if he wants a map for the grandline. The point here is, Arlong did not want to go to the grandline and find the One piece, he just want to dominate humans. He is a racial supremacist. What he wants is to conquer the whole east blue. For Buggy, he just want treasures in general. Not particularly One Piece. But only those easy to get treasures, he did not intend to go the whole grandline to find 1 treasure. In one piece, pirates have different dreams, motives and reason for going to the grandline. And that make the world of it bigger. The world is not revolving around the Strawhat crew and Luffy.
I consider myself a hardcore fan. I literally have half the manga downloaded to my phone to reference when theory crafting. I genuinely loved the LA as a show itself, not as a gateway, tho that's nice too. Been a fan nearly 20 years. I really don't know where you guys get your data. Only a VERY small group of fans disliked the LA and they are mostly the 1:1 or nothing group. What it captured BEST was the VIBE and FEEL of one piece.
i guess we get our data from our community. And while we don't look at comments often, we almost always see a majority of viewers complaining that we enjoyed aspects fo the live action more than aspects of some of the anime. And within those comments is a clear and prominent dislike of the Live Action, and the general sentiment that it is no more than a trailer & gateway for new fans of the anime. That might be a biased source, but from our perspective it seems like a pretty popular opinion
@@BOLDcastOnePiece okay, I get that. You're hearing the vocal minority speaking out. I will say, I truly appreciate your comparisons and your analysis of this show. You guys get a lot more in depth than most reactors and enjoy deep dives. Its natural to compare to what you know. Manga readers compared it to the manga, LA viewers compare it to the LA. When the new anime releases, I'll be comparing it to all of the above. I apologize for those fans, or if I came off combative/defensive with my comment. From my experience from within the fan base, I would say the numbers are closer to 90% liked it for what it is, yes we can see the flaws, but it was great. 8% of fans wanted it more 1:1 and have issue with that, but are fine with it as a gateway. 2% of fans outright dislike it, or LA anime in general. Im basing my statistics off of like ratios on positive vs negative posts/comments about the LA within the same fan group. It's still obviously not entirely accurate, but I would say it's closer to the reality of what the general consensus is. Either way, keep enjoying your journey. You have an amazing ride ahead of you still, the story just started and you finished the prologue(east blue). I'm looking forward to more reactions and deep dives, and if you do read the comments, I'll be sure to keep it spoiler free(including not correcting you if you are wrong). People need to realize, we were all wrong when we were where you are too.
@@royalfun1031 here is my pov. I like it. The anime is better. But the comparison is this. The LA is a full 3 course meal. The anime is a full 3 course meal, with some extra sides and maybe an appetizer. Either way you're getting a full meal out of it, but one you get some extra. I would also suggest the LA before the anime or manga to a newcomer, every single time, to test the waters(until the new anime drops). It is the absolute best way to get your foot in the door. But I also truly feel it captured everything it needed to capture to represent one piece. The tone, vibe, heart, etc was all there. Fights could be better, but yyh LA gives me hope for s2. Yyh LA got the anime fights right, but missed a bit on story, OP LA got the story/world right, but missed a bit on the fights. Both good though, but OP better.
One Piece as a story will always make you feel like Friendship is a treasure. It's a feeling that you keep in your heart and will never really go away no matter what the One Piece actually turns out to be.
Love the review and the perspective you guys give especially Carson. It’s always refreshing to see takes different than mine when I watch it, but than again I was about 13 during this part. Can’t wait for the next review after episode 130.
thanks for watching man and yeah, we're not even asking anyone to agree with what either of us are saying, we just want people to respect it and enjoy the ride with us
The problem with it being "the friends we made along the way" is that it doesn't mean anything. It would be like someone constantly saying "friendship is important" then saying "I have something super secret and important to tell you" only to say the exact same thing for the millionth time.
Did you guys see the Announcement of "THE ONE PIECE"? A remake by WIT STUDIO has been announced! Obviously, it'll be a while before it starts, but imagine a retelling in modern animation and pacing!
2:34:14 A lot of people dont like how strong luffy is at the beginning but i love it! I think it was well done. Luffy has just left his home and is still figuring out his abilities. He has the strength and power, so he likes to test new moves out, often to his own detriment. But i like it because now when he comes up against more notable foes, it doesnt feel out of his reach to beat them after hes had time to experience more battles. It would feel so repetitive to have him constantly running into stronger pirates that he had to go and train to beat.
Rewatching your discussion, really interested what you see in Buggy/Shanks relationship moving forward... 'Casue for me it seemed to be more deep than a lot of fans see it :) Love your reactions keep at it
I agree that Luffy will probably not care what is the "physical treasure" but for me, that physical treasure is for us, the viewer. well, you guys are still early. I'm sure as you go on, you will at least think there is one.
Usopp is NOT a "coward" type character. He is a "bravery" type character. He is definitely an extremely FEARFUL character, but he never succumbs to cowardice. Also, I can't wait for you to see the first fight he rolls up to fully confident. It's one of the best fights in the anime and it's going to rock your world.
It's always fun for me to see discussions of people making theories about the story. It always makes me remember the time I was in the same situation and knew absolutely nothing except that its a popular manga/anime😅 I want to refeel the journey with you guys!❤
You guys are my favorite reactors now, I love your long discussion about every episode unlike other reactors who just watching the episodes and don't discuss anything
thanks for the love man. That's what we're about! We aren't always right, and we don't try to be. But you know when you come to our videos that we will always be honest for better or for worse!
I do want to hear the comparisons to the LA. What's the point of watching the reactions to the anime of people who started with the LA if not? You just do you, I think you're doing well kinda disregarding that kind of comments.
Bad faith argument. The majority of the complaints are not about "comparisons to the LA" and framing them as such is disingenuous. The complaints were about treating the Live Action as the source material, using information they received from the Live Action to praise the Live Action over the anime.
@@raouldmono Whatever I just talked about what they two literally said, not trying to make any bad faith argument. If you didn't say that, then you don't need to feel concerned about it, do you?
@@raouldmono They never once did treat the live action as the source material. They are right in discussing the differences and if they prefer some things of the live action or prefer the anime version (which is obviously closer to the manga source) is up to them. It is refreshing to see them discuss from the angle of people who are already well aware of long shounen anime like HxH and Naruto, but have seen One Piece first through the live action.
@@raouldmono we never treated the LA as the source material, that narrative has grown out of control due to a few commenters repeating that idea, and its not based in reality. The idea that we would be confused enough to believe that the LA came first is beyond idiotic. And if you want to talk about bad faith, you should start there. We always talk about the live action simply because we are giving critiques from our perspective, and we constantly restate it so that people like you can take our opinions for what they are worth. You can take them as seriously as you want, but our perspective I think I s more interesting than most if you view it honestly, because we're not just people who have come from the Live action first, but we're very critical and are very familiar with anime and manga storytelling compared to many other new reactors who have joined the One Piece Journey. We're not "special" necessarily, but we offer a unique viewpoint because of our background. That viewpoint is what makes us different than other reactors and why our videos stand on their own. So if people come to our discussions and constantly whine about how we like the Live action and try to dismiss our criticisms because we were "spoiled" by another adaptation, then they just don't care about our perspective and what we're trying to do here. And you don't have to care, it's fine if you don't, But everyone who is acting like we're just completely stupid to the point of thinking that the LA is the end all be all of One piece is just straight up not paying attention to what we're saying and what we're trying to do here.
One Piece is definitely something physical or will be something that has a physical affect on the world. You guys don't have the context for it yet but you'll see that it isn't just a treasure and there's a lot more to this series than meets the eye. The East Blue is just the prologue, the real story starts in the Grand Line and Oda is a master of foreshadowing and world building
@snuzzlebumble I'd just reference what Oden said about the last island with Roger laughing. I don't want to write it out because of spoilers but pretty sure there's treasury
Personally I Think it’s Great this Live Action is Drawing in More Fans and That You both were interested in Taking on the Anime…Your decision to react to the Anime Is why I Subbed..It Shows that You are Both People of Conviction and Dedication.
Carson being too drunk to record and having to wait for 2 days because he's too hangover is the most pirate thing you could've done, seems you already getting into the one piece spirit. Good job!!
@@tobiaswedin Ain't a matter of writing it's a matter of budget. Fans never seem to realize things cost money. There's always the slideshow that is the anime for those already initiated. Fact: Oda himself had to green-light every decision and had them redo a bunch of scenes. His entire goal was to make more people wanna get familiar with the source materal, of which the manga reigns supreme anyway.
I genuinely don’t see how they could choreograph any sort of extended fight scene with a guy using a sword in his mouth in a live action setting. Like not only would it be difficult to make it look like an actually effective fighting style, not only would it destroy Mackenyu’s beautiful chiseled jaw, it would also just severely limit the movement of the two swords he already has. I’m already impressed with the two brief instances of three sword style managing to make it look almost like a decently effective fighting style. Also, I do like the little detail in the Mihawk fight where Zoro only pulls out his third sword when Mihawk pulls out Yoru. Almost like he isn’t willing to go all out until Mihawk is willing to go all out.
random joke that popped in my head: The strawhats enter the grandline and come across a smallisland. they land...and meet twenty identical Jango clones "welcome...to the island of Jangos!"
Can you please do a season 1 review again (specifically garp) after you are caught up because pretty much the entire fanbase agrees that they destroyed garp's character in the LA
Nobody believes the one piece is something like jewels or a weapon or anything. There are many theories that are spoilery so I won’t really say them but they’re all something along the lines of history, a logbook, rogers personal treasure (like luffys hat equivalent). Another theory is that it is an action that needs to be taken that creates or brings forth the one piece like destroying something, revealing something, connecting something, etc.
2:19:48 to be completely honest, if they really wanted to go with this perspective, Nami should have not told Nojiko even still. Then she really would have had nothing. The villagers and Nojiko would then need to attempt to riot on arlong park, where they overhear arlong confront her about their deal. Having them find out about it at that point would be way stronger of a scene than the one we got. Personally I prefer the anime, because Nami *is* sacrificing everything and everyone to save everyone, at least she believes it. I genuinely love the fact that the villagers knew so that she wouldn’t feel pressured to stay on their behalf. I especially love that Nojiko got her tattoo as a sign of solidarity with her sister. In the live action, she should have gotten it afterwords, in solidarity.
Nami didn't choose to become a pirate. She was kidnapped and branded/tattooed. Arlong only made the deal to give her hope and keep her motivated and that's it. The village knowing about it makes way more sense than taking them 8 years to put it together. I'm also a little annoyed that they buried Bellemere in the orchard.
What I think it’s really interesting/funny is that often in one piece,things that look really silly end up being this very serious plot-changing thing and things that look very serious end up being very silly inconsequential things . And it has a tone that allows that in a way that it feels completely natural to the story, ends up being pretty funny and keeps you on your toes with the mystery.
One Piece is an excelent show to watch for the first time, but it gets better when you rewatch it knowing what's gonna happen in the future. You can have a demonstration of this feeling by watching the Live Action for the first time, and then you come to watch the anime and understands exactly why Nami despises pirates, for example. One Piece is so well written that you'll see why Arlong hates humans, or why Shanks was at Luffy's village, how Sanji ended up working at Baratie as a child and etc. The story is alive and everything connects at some point.
I find so weird how yo guys be understimating how deep a long & popular show with an enormous fanbase like One Piece can be! I mean it's okay to enter with midium expectations. it's accually a good thing, as it increases the level of surprise BUT you make way too much interpretations based on the tiny portion of story you've consumed, which makes One Piece sounds like a basic show and that's kinda annoying for viewers who knows the greatness of One Piece. . NOT TRYNNA BE TOXIC THO I REALLY ENJOY YOUR REACTIONS & ANALYSES, so I advise you to be more patient, expand your vision for this long and beatiful story
I get that some people are annoyed, but we’re being as unbiased as we can and just taking things as they come. I’m sure everything seems much more expansive to people with will context, but we’re interpreting things on a scene by Scene basis, so of course our opinions will change. I think from the perspective of someone who loves one piece, the measured and analytical approach care seem reductive, when I think everything we’re saying is completely fair. I don’t even think we’ve said anything that negative, we’re just not jumping for joy every time anything happens. We’ll just have to see where things go
So glad to hear Carson is at least aware his opinion on Nojiko and the villagers is an unpopular one (as it should be). It's a god awful take and tons of comments here illustrate why.
The one piece is a real thing, no one says is treasure, but it's a real thing, as you go on in the story you will see how we are so sure, no spoilers, but because the one piece is something important to the world of one piece
One Piece's ability to switch from comedy to serious is amazing. Other shounen does this such as Dragon Ball, Naruto and Gintama also does this but not at this level.
Regarding Oda's statements on what the One Piece is, I always feel like fans may have walked away with their own interpretations of whatever the exact statement may be. To my knowledge, the context is very much that it is not going to be a 'the One Piece is the friends we made along the way' sort of ethereal bullshit thing given the scale that (given our present knowledge), the One Piece is either the biggest McGuffin in popular culture or the slowest utilized Chekov's gun. It is my belief that Oda, with that particular statement, wants to communicate that the One Piece is not just a plot device, nor some thinly wrapped spiritual promotion piece, but an actual part of the story that had had its existence, intention, purpose and meaning very clearly defined since the very first chapter.
Oda is both. He plans ahead a lot, his foreshadowing and callbacks are just insane, youll have time to see for yourself how crazy they can get. But he also admitted himself, for a lot of things he just comes up with them on the moment. His editors constantly battled with him to keep him from going off the main path too much. He loves straying on random adventures and writing a shitton of characters. Lets just say One Piece wasnt meant to last 24+ years easily going for 30 but more like 5.
Ohhhh. Excited for them to take a dip on the first pieces of deep lore in the series. Wonder if they'll change their mind about one piece before 1000 eps? XD love the podcast per saga btw. This is the usual format for manga readers here in yt but having this also for reactions is awesome. Excited for next saga podcast. XD
The funny thing is that Mihawk's strength is not even nearly comprehensible enough, even in the anime where its showed much better. The sheer magnitude of his power and other big players later down the line needs all the context of 1000 episodes to truly get. He is quite literally the ceiling of power and introducing him this early in the series was a genius move.
1:02:58 😭😭
Big cat
That's a crying emoji, 😂 it's laughing emoji
Ok, I did not click on this until I reached here...and this is like cherry on top..they should keep it for any other stuff.
@@concentratedH2Omost use 😭 now
@@concentratedH2Obro the crying Emoji become the new laugh Emoji do you live under a rock ?
No one use the laugh Emoji anymore only the millennials
2:12:40 Disagree. It doesnt feel like a sacrifice because there was nothing to sacrifice. She sacrificed the love of the villagers in the live action? They literally despised a child for not resisting against superhuman creatures who have murdered her mother. They never truly loved her, they were just randos. In the anime, it puts into perspective what Nami is fighting for. People who legitimately loved her and deserve to be saved.
The village knowing but not telling her was to help keep a gap between them and Nami. Despite them seeing the whole "buying the village" plan as their last hope for freedom, they wanted leave the option open for Nami to quit and live her life if she chose to. Genzo said that if they told her sooner, then they would be putting even more weight and guilt on her. They wanted her free even if they will never be. But, once the money was stolen, all hope was lost. Once it was clear that Arlong will never let them be free, they decide (not exactly to help Nami) to at least die standing up against Arlong and still telling Nami to leave the island and live her life. Them never knowing is fine, but this adds a lot more layers to the story and isn't writing that makes things "easy", it makes the characters and the story a little more complex.
Saved me the effort of typing this 😅
All the little changes the live action made that distanced Nojiko, Genzo, and the village from the story were by far the changes I disliked the most in the live action. It doesn't break the story or anything, the narrative still holds together with the villagers not knowing but it reduces the impact so much.
Nojiko's tattoos don't mean anything, Genzo is no longer a father figure to Nami and the pinwheel Genzo wears no longer means anything and Nami's tattoo now only refers to Bellemere and not to Genzo, the fishmen finding Bellemere's house is no longer caused by the argument Nami had with her making it less tragic, there no longer any attempt by the village to save the girls or Bellemere, and I can honestly keep going with all the various ways these changes reduced the value of the characters and their emotional impact on the story.
I'm fine with most of the changes made to the live action both for the reasons of abridging and saving budget for other things but I really feel that Arlong Park is Oda's most tightly written arc, others are better overall, but it fits together so perfectly that any missing piece becomes a glaring omission.
That said going forward while there are quite a few arcs I think are overall better than Arlong Park I don't think any going forward are quite so tightly written as this one, so I have some confidence in the writing team going forward.
yea but the things is were they that sure the arlong will let nami escape so easily?
@@kishi_K0 It was wishful thinking. They know Nami is a sneaky person. So if anyone could escape that nightmare, Nami could (is what they were thinking).
Her asking for Luffy’s help isn’t cheapened because the villagers knew about her sacrifice. In fact it makes that moment better because the villagers are basically running off to get slaughtered, and that’s the moment that causes Nami to break.
In defence of Pearl, you guy keep insisting that he's just there to create fire and atmosphere- but his main function is for Gin. If you don't see Gin smash though Pearl's shield in one hit, then you don't really feel the weight and danger behind him when Sanji fights Gin. Pearl also gets sacrificed to give us a sense of Gin's inner conflict, simultaneously wanting to save Sanji but also retain his loyalty to Krieg. If you don't have Pearl, then you lose a surprising amount. He's not Oda's greatest character, but these wacky minor villains are usually made as building blocks for more major characters during an arc.
Daym u here
And u spitting
Throughout the entire East Blue saga, Oda has shown that treasure can be different things to different people. So, while the One Piece may be a physical thing, it isn't limited to being just gold, jewelery or valuables.
True, a lot of people get mad at me when I tell them the One Piece is the All Blue+ all the islands connecting. They say thats not an actual treasure.
@@musabs5848 ikr...
(1) the Red Line & Grand Line making an X on the One Piece globe
(2) how close Sanji's dream has narratively been portrayed to Luffy's
(3) Madam Shyarly
(4) Enies Lobby & Lulusia
(...) I could go on like this forever, the clues are definitely out there
@@klairvoyance Very true. I could make an entire essay explaining this theory and how Sanji and Luffys dreams are portrayed as similar in a way.
@@musabs5848 there was one though. i remember read one back when mermaid island came out.
@@musabs5848there are many king videos going all of the evidence for an against this exact theory and it probably is the most supported theory for the one piece to date
It's so interesting seeing your perspective by watching the live action version before the anime version, because it is so different from the perspective of a lot of us longtime fans, like you guys enjoyed the addition of Garp and his storyline with Koby in the series. This is something that at first made everyone very excited because it did - and makes - sense that they have more screen time considering the future of the story, but in the end it was something that became an almost unanimous complaint of the hardcore Fandom for how these characters interacted and were placed at some points and also for the screen time they had, leaving important points of the main characters outside over this new storyline.
All of this makes me curious to see what you' ll think of their storyline in the anime, since although I liked the live action version I still prefer the original story, seeing your opinions and tastes in each character its so much fun.
PS: Usopp is my favorite character in the anime so I have a greater criticism of how they chose to represent his story in the LA, since he isn't a character that most people put as favorite, and many even hate that he is not as strong and brave as the other members of the crew, I had the hope that his moments of fear and bravery would be placed well beyond the right times during the series and its something I personally hope that happens in the future.
For me Usopp is an essential character in the story, being the most human and comparable to the reality of the people who watch it. Most people would feel like him in a world like the One Piece world having no powers. He is someone who has not eaten magic fruit, does not have a superhuman force, was not trained with swords or kicking or lived his life stealing from pirates, he is someone who lived in a quiet small village his entire life, without training, just knowing that his father was and is a pirate, he's a boy with a DREAM but without any plot convenience resource to make him achieve it until meeting luffy and the others, his dream is to get what they already have, to have the courage to do what they do, and it's something I can personally put my shoes in, with my fears and barriers that I have to face to achieve what I want, so I thought the live action ended up missing a great opportunity to show this to those who watch.
Sorry for the long text, and my bad english, I'm a new subscriber from Brazil, I'm loving your reactions, I hope you guys enjoy this long ride S2 S2
good description
Don’t speak for all one piece fans, some remember some acted like this but everyone is different you should appreciate that individuality of everyone’s opinions.
Usopp is my favorite character as well. True courage is not the absence of fear. It's taking action in spite of being afraid. The monster trio are fearless, so they have less to overcome to take action. Usopp is the most courageous because he has to overcome crippling fear and anxiety and self-doubt, but he still always shows up for his friends.
@@aureliacortez3625 I didn't mean to speak for all one piece fans, i'm sure i use the words "a lot of", "some" or "the most people" to describe some of the different takes one piece fans have and then i said my own opinion as well, i'm sorry if you took it that way but you misunderstood me
@@pickthestickup yes, I love that this is represented as a goal along like being king of the pirates, it shows us that any goal is important as long as it's something you live for it to achieve it
Carson I really appreciated your different take about enjoying the live action changes with Nami story arc. I still agree with Lindsay 😂
I'm ok with both ways it was done. I think the live action took a simpler route. Everyone knowing Nami's sacrifice all the time would be hard to explain I feel like.
live action Arlong park felt so butchered
@@delongtsway953 It wouldn't even have worked in live action. I would have liked slight changes like Nojiko knowing and Genzo finding out - but this is all that could have been done.
My thing with the idea of "the One Piece is the friends we made along the way" is that there is no surprise there, like Luffy already knows that,what would the lesson matter when the main character already learn it.
Hell he doesn't even care about the One Piece right now either he cares about the Pirate King title.
I do think it is an actual physical thing but I really doubt it's anything like gold and gems.
Now for Trivia:
🏴☠One Piece at a time🏴☠:
Acording to Oda One Piece was originally a story that would end in 5 years, its been 26.
Also without spoiling, as you continue watching the series, it becomes very obvious that the one piece is an actual thing that will have a massive influence. There's no way that anyone paying attention to the story will continue to think it's something dumb like the friends we made along the way as more information is revealed, but it's not surprising to see people think that way at this point in the story.
@@Gopal__S Yeah, it actually really interesting beacuse the Orange town arc is all about this very idea of "what is treasure" and the thing Luffy regards as treasure is Shank's strawhat, a physical thing.
Yeah the one piece is real.
@@Gopal__S it's disappear before that. But every of my last tiny bit of doubt disappear when "the gigantic war will embriold the world one day. when someone find the treasure, The whole world will turn upside down" came out. Lmao
@@markvbvb7438 Yeah that's the exact scene I was thinking of when I wrote my comment.
in regards to nami and the village in the anime specifically i think it ultiamtely comes down to the arc being about nami BELIEVING she had lost everything, that she cut tis with everything she wanted or cared about in service of a greater goal and beleiving she HAD to work alone...and then the story going "NO. You were NEVER alone, you don't have to do ANTYHING by yourself."
I can see how one could prefer the live aciton change of the villagers not knowing, but havingthem now adds so much to how much the village as a whole loves her and what they're willing to do for her sake. It also helps give her the courage to leave, because she can go without thinking she HAS to protect the village by herself, she CAN go and chase her dreams and live for herself.
Her asking luffy for help has NOTHING to do with her feeling alone, its tied to her realising she CAN'T do anything herself. She CAN'T convince the villagers to just be patient.She CAN'T just trust Arlong.She can't just tell luffy to go away because she is POWERLESS and she needs to ask for help because she jsut can't burden herself lie this anymore.
It's about nami learning to trust in others and being able to rely on other people.
Ye
The one piece being the friends we made along the way just doesn’t work narratively. Gold Roger was given the title of pirate king in part because he obtained the one piece. Gold roger also indicated the one piece being in the grand line so it doesn’t make sense to be talking about friendship. Then you have oda saying it’s not friendship which it the biggest indicator of it not being about the friends made. Also I think oda is smart enough to realize people will turn on him and op if the one piece is about friendship. You don’t create one of the biggest mysteries in animanga history just to be like it was the friends we made.
Hearing you cope about the one piece treasure is hilarious cuz I feel that won’t last too long ahahah
Carson wanting child Nami to suffer more sends me.💀“She’s not sacrificing enough in the anime” lmao she’s a victim bro, trapped with the village held hostage. Isn’t sacrificing her dream enough? 😭
Shanks is that character who whenever he shows up, he becomes more complicated and leaves you asking even more questions. It's gonna be so fun seeing you guys make theories about him. He's easily the most mysterious, intriguing character in my personal opinion
Dragon ???
@@naviro6672Well, he never shows up😂😂
A lot of the locations felt similar because you were in East Blue. Thats how all the locations are in that territory. Once you get to the Grand Line however EVERY Island will be drastically different from the last.
Yep. If they are expecting locations to be different they are in for it. Big time.
Im not sure if Oda has said that the one piece is a physical object or not, but he has specifically said its not something like friendship when asked a question about it
Oda is trolling everyone with that anwser, i guarantee it
@@foxtrot1572 spoilers so don't read. final warning. ok this is the final warning: but the friendship thing woudn't make sense in the story. especially when we first meet rayleigh, he said that once the strawhats finds it, they wouldn't be able to do anything with their current power
@@foxtrot1572nop
@@shrunkin Roger literally says its a story
@@bendover7841spoilers ahead: yeah. it looks like a poneglyph, so I think once they read it, the strawhats has to do something after. i don't think its gonna end with him finding the one piece. he's probably gonna break down the red wall or something where marijoa is on
We don't know for sure what the One Piece actually is but the implications of the story hint that One Piece is a lot more than gold & jewels. It's much much bigger than that. As you move through this world you'll begin to slowly realize that something in this world....isn't right. You will begin to feel that something is off. The world of One Piece isn't quite what it seems. And the One Piece treasure is the key at the heart of it all.
The main reason I like The village knowing Nami’s secret is cause they know that if she thinks they hate her, there’s a small chance that she can give up and escape Arlong if she wanted. I think the sacrifice mostly comes from her finally being wealthy and that money not being for herself, plus her own passion of map making being a form of torturous work.
Shanks is THE most fun character to discuss. He's so hard to figure out
very interesting
so much subtext and so much mystery with so little screen time
According to Oda One Piece was supposed to only last for 5 years and Luffy was supposed to have assembled an entire crew after 150 chapters. When it became more popular it allowed Oda to expand the story and introdcue more characters, plot points and arcs.
Fun Fact: The Seven warlords weren't supposed to be a thing, Romance Dawn was the orginal name of the manga before OnePiece, the Marines were supposed to be more evil and act like gangsters, Zoro was supposed to be one of Buggy's henchmen, Usopp was supposed to be vice captain, Sanji was originally called Naruto, and Hatchan was supposed to be a girl. Also, Oda wrote 2 One-Shots for One Piece before the manga and had two versions of Luffy's backstory. One in wich Shanks saves Luffy and gives him the Straw hat and the other one in which Garp was supposed to be a pirate and give Luffy the Straw hat.
2:14:20 I think the opposite about this topic actually
Youre telling me the whole village saw how a little girl just decides to join the pirates that killed her mother and they dont question it at all?
What they just assume shes evil now? A little girl?
Its dumb
I can understand the initial shock, but Gen in the manga instantly backs off and thinks about whats happening
Its WAY more believable that they would know, it makes really no sense for them all to just accept little child Nami turned evil
And also its way more of an original twist that they all knew and didnt ssy anything, from a reader perspective
I really love the feel of Logue Town because it gives you the "begining city" kind of vibe you get in a d&d game. When you finally leave the small villages and towns behind and go to the region's big city for shopping and realizing the world is much bigger than you previously thought.
NO SPOILERS:
I'd actually argue that Don Krieg is super important, not particularly because of his story, but because Gin and how he contrasts with Sanji. In the live action, Sanji is sort of just a cool dude who tells them his backstory, while in the anime we get to see his values about feeding an enemy be tested in real time and his defining personality trait (his kindness) is showcased in a much more thorough way. It says way more about his extreme type of selflessness which is the driving thing about his character, where the conflict isn't relevant to him in the live action and the arc is more about Nami, Zoro, and Luffy than him. Him being freed by his imaginary shackles from seeing Luffy and Zoro pursuing their dreams and by seeing how Gin's lojality to Krieg is a prison is way more apparent in the anime whereas the live action just has him change his mind because we need him to join the crew.
Same with Usopp. The kids aren't important characters and some of the fluff isn't that important either. However, both of these aspects say a lot about him as a character and gives his storyline more weight whereas putting that focus on Kaya (who might aswell be a one-off character like the town mayor in orange town) and Nami takes away his depth. It takes away from HIS story and HIS character which the arc is supposed to be about. In the anime people either hate or love Usopp, but in the live action I see most people being very neutral on him, which I think is a shame since he's supposed to be one of the five main characters.
TLDR; I hope Zoro and Nami take a backseat in season 2, because Usopp and Sanji might aswell be side characters in the live-action (it's obviously a consequence of the format, but it's still something that I think the anime does way better).
Luffy is also way more generic in the live action. He's sort of just a good dude, while the anime showcases his unique character way more (not listening to backstories, "forcing" Zoro and Sanji to join him, and not being worried or thinking about the consequences). Him being powerful also sort of extends the idea that he's a force of nature, while the live action version is more of a generic shonen protagonist who powers up when things are tough. And Garp...don't get me started on Garp, can't say much, but the change in his character was easily the biggest mistake in this adaptation and Oda has even said that it was the one change that he didn't want to go along with.
I also way prefer the Nami thing in the anime because she's not a sacrifice but a victim. Anime Arlong forces her into slavery and brands her, while the Netflix version has her give herself up and join him on her own. Which is a huge difference that I can't say more about.
The live-action is still really good, but I feel like it's held back by the format in some ways that the anime just isn't. It might be tighter, but it loses a lot of depth along the way as a consequence of being an adaptation. Sure, these changes cuts the fat and improves the pacing, but as AP Canavan (professor in fantasy literature and developmental editor) once said, not everything needs to be extremely relevant to the immediate storyline, some aspects can just exists to develop a theme or showcase an idea that the reader wouldn't have got to experience if you cut it out and only focused on getting from point A to B.
There are things that the anime does better like killing of characters, more foreshadowing to future developments, Kaya being a deeper characters, some of the locations being more creative, and the romance aspect actually being explored, but overall I maintain that the source material is the definitive version.
Anyway, thank you for reading my take! Love the content keep up the good work. Btw, Oda is a planner. Like he had plans for characters and storylines back then that only are happening now 20 years later. He has some improv, but most of it is planned and he tends to have very detailed ideas for a lot of characters (even if he adapts them to fit future stories.
yeah man,Sanji feeding Gin for free then destroying the evidence,never regreting,was what made me hooked.
The likes that people have comes from people who are unaware of the source material or just looking for a new netflix series to bandwagon. It's basically the same slighly average feel just the one piece "elements" around " it. And changing certain traits of characters because they " might be a problem". 👎 I guess they have a make-believe standard for this series, when a character does something like flirting or a more crazy thing, They're appalled!!?? Well, don't set your expectations to "water 7" drama, or, see the exaggerated facual reactions, clown man that divide this body parts, luffy casually injuring the he'll out of his crewmates. There's been sexual humor in other things, this is tame.
@@nathandanczak7822 Don't wanna be lumped in with you. Just saying.
@@nathandanczak7822huh
@@anotherpawn Lol.
I have seen interview where Oda said he can be distracted with the small details of the story or even small background character. So you saying the extra story is true and Oda is aware of it.
That is also the reason why the world of OP feel so big naturally and also why it drag that long. But as you also said, we still love it because the extra are added with care and not just to fill in some kind of quota in the story
It also match with the tone of OP itself. So it is not out of character for these extra to exist in the story.
I cant wait for you to venture more into the story that you will make your own theory.
It's not dragging if it's natural the anime sure is tho
@royalfun1031 there is actually 1 example and the 'dragging' word is actually use by Oda himself. I have not reach or found that part yet. But there is actually 1 character (underling from beast pirate). Oda was supposed to wrote about the character backstory to explain why they act the way they are (it was due to bullying by fellow beast pirate) but he decided to not write it since that arc is already long enough. But he did have a rough sketch or idea of how it should go.
I will try to find where it show or who the characters is. If I do found it, I will include here.. most probably it won't have a name tho since it is beast pirate underling
Oda would love that you called his writing style romantical
I love the reviews lmao. Yall should keep on doing them after every saga to see how ur perspective on different concepts and ideas change
I agree with you
Up
thanks for watching! We plan to do them at least every saga, if not slightly more often than that even.
It's so fun seeing first time watchers talk about Shanks. He is the most theorized character in the One Piece fandom and a lot of people have different, wild theories about him and what exactly his motives are😆
I love reading classical literature. I've read a ton of the major classics and a ton of modern books. And I've read ALL the major shonen manga. One Piece is one of the best things I've ever read in any genre or medium.
I've been enjoying watching more book reviewers and English professors get into One Piece precisely because of this. A lot of manga-only readers compare One Piece to the action-style of the iconic manga (like Dragonball, etc) and so find it lacking.
But One Piece is an Epic, it should be compared to LotR, the Oddessy/Illiad, Paradise Lost and that ilk. Every story has a theme, every literary choice has a purpose. Even something as simple as placing a straw hat on a young boy, framed in the same way as to mimic coronating a young king, is this layered and nuanced thing that follows through the whole story.
It's not perfect, but neither are the classics, but there are definitely people out there missing just how amazing it truly is for want of anything similar to compare it to.
its the only show that made me tear up,I mean even if its not Shakespeare like they said,even if it isnt as highly regarded as other stuff,to me it is so far,how can it not be when I touches you like that?when it thouches many people like that?Should we rate stories high just because they are highly regarded?
Other shows and stories I remember that they are just fiction,I dont even felt close to tearing up,but with one piece for some reason even knowing its fiction I teared up.
@@AdrianoGR894 I completely agree; it's one of the only pieces of fiction that has ever made me tear up.
It's interesting seeing you guys going through the theories and predictions people in your situation made over 20 years ago. It'll be all the more interesting to see you change your mind about all this too, like we did. One Piece was very much in its infancy in East Blue, and the story develops into something much more mature in later arcs.
In orange town, every characters is created for treasure: chuchu, mayor, nami, luffy and buggy, they all have their treasure to protect and to pursue, and that's the reason they fighting each other. In usopp town,there is a big liar and a small liar, and the small liar lie to protect others, the big liar lie to protect himself. They fight because they need to continue their lies. In baratie, everything is bulit by lacking of food, which is very realistic in ocean. All this arc are all bulit by different topic, and all of the topic lost in the live action. Live action storyline becomes soulless and cheesy, unless you like marvel movies, because it just feel like a worse version of marvel movie ,with a lot of cringe jokes.
It's also important to note that Oda has had the ending planned out since before One Piece was even written. Which is another difference between him & the author of Naruto. One Piece is a lot more thoroughly planned and every character serves a purpose. Although he does leave room for him to add new things to the story along the way so that his writing never gets boring. I'd say One Piece is about 95% planned and 5% improvised.
He plans a layout then the events itself he might wing
As time goes on I doubt this less and less.
@yabeguns1ezu It's clear he didn't. He probably planned 3 more arcs after alabasta, he couldn't do that, so introduce more stuff. And 26+ years going.....
@@nathandanczak7822 26 years later and its dogshit lmao, Nu-piece is such a joke, completely souless and filled with Flanderized versions of all the characters.
SPOILER
The 95% ist a little bit overexagerated. E.g. It is confirmed that the Warlords were Not supposed to be a thing at first. Main antagonist were only the four emperors. Also the Super Novas were improvised by Oda right before Sabaody, so everything with them only could have been planned from this point on. Oda is still human, he cant plan an entire series that will publish over 30 years. But he is sklilled at making things go the right direction beetween the corner stones of the story he already had in mind ages ago.
It's just interesting to hear your current opinions from your perspective after only 50-60 episodes. Would be unfair trying to argue some topics here. But still something I'd like to add: Oda sensei and his editors did their job more than anyone could, clear facts. His not Shakespeare but he's already up there - top10 bestsellers authors records. He already worked as an assistant on Rurouni Kenshin, and already had another one-shot story. Then, One piece - is about MC sailing on dangerous ocean to become Pirate King. It makes sense why Luffy's strong from the beginning, logically. It's not time thing. DB, Naruto, Bleach etc chose other path without clear endpoint leaving room for infinite power-ups and trainings.
LA did homework so poor by some reasons: 1st episode - Luffy's backstory with Shanks. He taught him not to fight for no reason, then we see Zoro beating Helmeppo (why they gave him Smoker's moment?) and all other marines for no reason (bad guy just yelled at girl bumping with food...) - Luffy's excited watching this.... 2. Changing Luffy's personality and his thoughts about pirates "good pirates/bad pirates", lecturing other people, not to listen to their own mentors - seiously??? 3. Other characters also so dumb starting with Garp from the very beginning, ending with Nami's hometown villagers.... 4. Losing the main theme about fate and each person's will - this conversation comes after hundreds episodes later
Made for normies
Lindsay gets the one piece vibe ❤
I love the casual jabs at Naruto
"Oda has no plan"
"He doesn't think 2 arcs ahead"
"One Piece is just friendship"
Oda: alright, BET 😂
Baitin
Used to be believable
i think when it comes to naruto all the important fights are serious and all the powers are jsut explained by "oh that was his special ninja magic". meanwhile ine one piece even the serious fights will have comedic and cartoony elements to them so they aren't 100% super serious all the time and sometimes a dude can jsut be a hypnotist without it beign some huge deal with a massive backtory or explanation behind his power it's a thing he can DO. THe figths in one peice feel more inventive and fun and less restricted, in my opinion. SO very different approaches but those differences do affect how much you'll like one or the other.
thats what it feels like to us as well
there are ups and downs to either approach, but what I like about this in comparison to naruto, is that because its not taking itself as serious, when things turn out silly and anticlimactic, it can be for a funny joke. But in naruto, when Kishimoto changes his mind mid fight, or encounters some problem with the logic, he has to break the fight in order to keep the story going, and it can mess with the continuity and the logic of the power systems.
If someone does something like that in one piece, its just fun and silly so its not as big a deal
@@BOLDcastOnePiece When did this happen in Naruto? Care to give any examples?
Man, this is really good. Doing this podcast/discussion on the Big Arcs will be incredible. All of this is foreshadowing within foreshadowing within foreshadowing and just Oda planting the seeds. You should watch more of the story before making theories on the “One Piece”. Lindsay has the most W takes here😅
Common Larson
what L's yall talking about?
@@BOLDcastOnePieceBasically pigeonholing the story and assuming that you already know what tricks it has in its bag, regarding the physicality of the One Piece. There is more to the OP world than meets the eye that you don't know about yet
But Lindsay said the same thing though?
1st why is that an L? We just guessing based on what we know, nothing wrong with that
2nd, we said the exact same thing and have the same opinion. So why do I get an L and Lindsay gets a W?
@@BOLDcastOnePieceOops, didn't see this. First off, sorry for the childish comment. I can't remember why I made it, must've been moody (and also wildly misinterpreting things) at the time.
As for why people give you L's specifically and not Lindsay, I think it's because she's so ambivalent about things potentially being one way or another while focusing on the exact plot, while you take a much more passionate approach and invest in certain stances to build more anticipation for the eventual discovery and make things more interesting. The problem with that approach is that it makes you an easy target for argumentative people because you give them something to latch onto.
I hope that you guys refer back to some of your points in this video when you get deeper into the series. It'd be really interesting to see you guys discuss what you got right and wrong when you were just starting out.
Here is the main difference of Live action to Anime for me:
In the Live action, all of the characters and villains targeted Luffy. It makes the world feels small. Also they are all going for the One Piece.
In the anime, the villains are doing their own things and Luffy just happened to be there and make chaos of things for the villains.
Like, Arlong and his crew is said to be from the grandline, in the Live Action, why would they target Luffy for a map from the grandline? He can just have Nami draw a map for him if he brings Nami there or he has Nezumi from the marines, he can just pay him if he wants a map for the grandline.
The point here is, Arlong did not want to go to the grandline and find the One piece, he just want to dominate humans. He is a racial supremacist. What he wants is to conquer the whole east blue.
For Buggy, he just want treasures in general. Not particularly One Piece. But only those easy to get treasures, he did not intend to go the whole grandline to find 1 treasure.
In one piece, pirates have different dreams, motives and reason for going to the grandline. And that make the world of it bigger. The world is not revolving around the Strawhat crew and Luffy.
Great video, loved this conversation, hope you continue to enjoy the journey ❤
This is the perspective I've been wanting to hear. Most of us were anime first so this is really interesting
this guy gets it! I think it will be interesting for people to see how our opinions change over time
thanks for watching
I think by the end of next saga you would need to rethink your one piece predictions, its more complicated🤓.Love the podcast!
We hope you stick around to see how our thoughts change!
I enjoyed your reaction n review, all the similarities and differencees are appreciated thank you.
Looking forward to tons more of it
I consider myself a hardcore fan. I literally have half the manga downloaded to my phone to reference when theory crafting. I genuinely loved the LA as a show itself, not as a gateway, tho that's nice too. Been a fan nearly 20 years.
I really don't know where you guys get your data. Only a VERY small group of fans disliked the LA and they are mostly the 1:1 or nothing group. What it captured BEST was the VIBE and FEEL of one piece.
i guess we get our data from our community. And while we don't look at comments often, we almost always see a majority of viewers complaining that we enjoyed aspects fo the live action more than aspects of some of the anime. And within those comments is a clear and prominent dislike of the Live Action, and the general sentiment that it is no more than a trailer & gateway for new fans of the anime.
That might be a biased source, but from our perspective it seems like a pretty popular opinion
@@BOLDcastOnePieceThey like it but they don't think it's better or as good as the original
@@BOLDcastOnePiece okay, I get that. You're hearing the vocal minority speaking out. I will say, I truly appreciate your comparisons and your analysis of this show. You guys get a lot more in depth than most reactors and enjoy deep dives.
Its natural to compare to what you know. Manga readers compared it to the manga, LA viewers compare it to the LA. When the new anime releases, I'll be comparing it to all of the above.
I apologize for those fans, or if I came off combative/defensive with my comment. From my experience from within the fan base, I would say the numbers are closer to 90% liked it for what it is, yes we can see the flaws, but it was great. 8% of fans wanted it more 1:1 and have issue with that, but are fine with it as a gateway. 2% of fans outright dislike it, or LA anime in general.
Im basing my statistics off of like ratios on positive vs negative posts/comments about the LA within the same fan group. It's still obviously not entirely accurate, but I would say it's closer to the reality of what the general consensus is.
Either way, keep enjoying your journey. You have an amazing ride ahead of you still, the story just started and you finished the prologue(east blue). I'm looking forward to more reactions and deep dives, and if you do read the comments, I'll be sure to keep it spoiler free(including not correcting you if you are wrong). People need to realize, we were all wrong when we were where you are too.
@@royalfun1031 here is my pov. I like it. The anime is better. But the comparison is this. The LA is a full 3 course meal. The anime is a full 3 course meal, with some extra sides and maybe an appetizer. Either way you're getting a full meal out of it, but one you get some extra.
I would also suggest the LA before the anime or manga to a newcomer, every single time, to test the waters(until the new anime drops). It is the absolute best way to get your foot in the door.
But I also truly feel it captured everything it needed to capture to represent one piece. The tone, vibe, heart, etc was all there. Fights could be better, but yyh LA gives me hope for s2. Yyh LA got the anime fights right, but missed a bit on story, OP LA got the story/world right, but missed a bit on the fights. Both good though, but OP better.
One Piece as a story will always make you feel like Friendship is a treasure. It's a feeling that you keep in your heart and will never really go away no matter what the One Piece actually turns out to be.
Love the review and the perspective you guys give especially Carson. It’s always refreshing to see takes different than mine when I watch it, but than again I was about 13 during this part. Can’t wait for the next review after episode 130.
thanks for watching man
and yeah, we're not even asking anyone to agree with what either of us are saying, we just want people to respect it and enjoy the ride with us
Thanks for the 3-hour discussion! Tgis is awesome. More like this after future arcs please.
The problem with it being "the friends we made along the way" is that it doesn't mean anything. It would be like someone constantly saying "friendship is important" then saying "I have something super secret and important to tell you" only to say the exact same thing for the millionth time.
I don't know if this is an actual spoiler but Oda did say early on and said that the one piece isn't going to be "the friends we made along the way"
Did you guys see the Announcement of "THE ONE PIECE"?
A remake by WIT STUDIO has been announced!
Obviously, it'll be a while before it starts, but imagine a retelling in modern animation and pacing!
2:34:14 A lot of people dont like how strong luffy is at the beginning but i love it! I think it was well done. Luffy has just left his home and is still figuring out his abilities. He has the strength and power, so he likes to test new moves out, often to his own detriment. But i like it because now when he comes up against more notable foes, it doesnt feel out of his reach to beat them after hes had time to experience more battles. It would feel so repetitive to have him constantly running into stronger pirates that he had to go and train to beat.
Yeah
Rewatching your discussion, really interested what you see in Buggy/Shanks relationship moving forward... 'Casue for me it seemed to be more deep than a lot of fans see it :) Love your reactions keep at it
I agree that Luffy will probably not care what is the "physical treasure" but for me, that physical treasure is for us, the viewer.
well, you guys are still early. I'm sure as you go on, you will at least think there is one.
Usopp is NOT a "coward" type character. He is a "bravery" type character. He is definitely an extremely FEARFUL character, but he never succumbs to cowardice. Also, I can't wait for you to see the first fight he rolls up to fully confident. It's one of the best fights in the anime and it's going to rock your world.
It's always fun for me to see discussions of people making theories about the story. It always makes me remember the time I was in the same situation and knew absolutely nothing except that its a popular manga/anime😅 I want to refeel the journey with you guys!❤
I like his Mario mushroom kingdom haircut 🍄
I mean the "eye catchers" during the intermission part were just a BRILLIANT touch👏❤
Interesting review for East Blue! Looking forward to seeing how your thoughts might change or stay the same in the next arc!
3 hours discussion and its only part 1, I am 😢😅😮😊😂
You guys are my favorite reactors now, I love your long discussion about every episode unlike other reactors who just watching the episodes and don't discuss anything
thanks for the love man. That's what we're about!
We aren't always right, and we don't try to be. But you know when you come to our videos that we will always be honest for better or for worse!
I do want to hear the comparisons to the LA. What's the point of watching the reactions to the anime of people who started with the LA if not? You just do you, I think you're doing well kinda disregarding that kind of comments.
thats what I'M Sayin!...
Bad faith argument.
The majority of the complaints are not about "comparisons to the LA" and framing them as such is disingenuous.
The complaints were about treating the Live Action as the source material, using information they received from the Live Action to praise the Live Action over the anime.
@@raouldmono Whatever I just talked about what they two literally said, not trying to make any bad faith argument. If you didn't say that, then you don't need to feel concerned about it, do you?
@@raouldmono They never once did treat the live action as the source material. They are right in discussing the differences and if they prefer some things of the live action or prefer the anime version (which is obviously closer to the manga source) is up to them.
It is refreshing to see them discuss from the angle of people who are already well aware of long shounen anime like HxH and Naruto, but have seen One Piece first through the live action.
@@raouldmono we never treated the LA as the source material, that narrative has grown out of control due to a few commenters repeating that idea, and its not based in reality.
The idea that we would be confused enough to believe that the LA came first is beyond idiotic. And if you want to talk about bad faith, you should start there.
We always talk about the live action simply because we are giving critiques from our perspective, and we constantly restate it so that people like you can take our opinions for what they are worth. You can take them as seriously as you want, but our perspective I think I s more interesting than most if you view it honestly, because we're not just people who have come from the Live action first, but we're very critical and are very familiar with anime and manga storytelling compared to many other new reactors who have joined the One Piece Journey. We're not "special" necessarily, but we offer a unique viewpoint because of our background. That viewpoint is what makes us different than other reactors and why our videos stand on their own.
So if people come to our discussions and constantly whine about how we like the Live action and try to dismiss our criticisms because we were "spoiled" by another adaptation, then they just don't care about our perspective and what we're trying to do here. And you don't have to care, it's fine if you don't,
But everyone who is acting like we're just completely stupid to the point of thinking that the LA is the end all be all of One piece is just straight up not paying attention to what we're saying and what we're trying to do here.
One Piece is definitely something physical or will be something that has a physical affect on the world. You guys don't have the context for it yet but you'll see that it isn't just a treasure and there's a lot more to this series than meets the eye. The East Blue is just the prologue, the real story starts in the Grand Line and Oda is a master of foreshadowing and world building
Yeah, it's not necessarily treasure in the sense that they're thinking, but later in the story it is implied to be something tangible.
yes,
@snuzzlebumble I'd just reference what Oden said about the last island with Roger laughing. I don't want to write it out because of spoilers but pretty sure there's treasury
Personally I Think it’s Great this Live Action is Drawing in More Fans and That You both were interested in Taking on the Anime…Your decision to react to the Anime Is why I Subbed..It Shows that You are Both People of Conviction and Dedication.
Well said!
Damn dude your so lucky to have someone as interested in anime as you..expecially one piece
I agree
Lindsay is pretty lucky😎
Are they siblings or couple?
@@uchihaItachi-e9elmao
Oda has stated about the one piece it’s not friendship or the journey bc that’s too easy to guess it’s a physical object!
Carson being too drunk to record and having to wait for 2 days because he's too hangover is the most pirate thing you could've done, seems you already getting into the one piece spirit. Good job!!
The one piece is ... the one piece is real ❤
Amazing video. Love the dedication and respect you guys have for the story already
This is a proof that the goofy exists from the starts...but people were complaining about a recent power up being goofy now made me laugh
Bozos
love this chill podcast 😊
Great reviews guys
GODA 🔥👑🛐
Zoro's let's get serious "powerup" in the anime isn't the sword but the headscarf.
@@tobiaswedin
Granted it looks kinda silly when he speaks so I can see why they'd wanna cut on contrivances/jaw insurance.
@@tobiaswedin
Ain't a matter of writing it's a matter of budget. Fans never seem to realize things cost money. There's always the slideshow that is the anime for those already initiated.
Fact: Oda himself had to green-light every decision and had them redo a bunch of scenes. His entire goal was to make more people wanna get familiar with the source materal, of which the manga reigns supreme anyway.
@@tobiaswedin
Hey, whatever man. You're the one whining.
The moment your start taking One Piece seriously, you lose.
I genuinely don’t see how they could choreograph any sort of extended fight scene with a guy using a sword in his mouth in a live action setting.
Like not only would it be difficult to make it look like an actually effective fighting style, not only would it destroy Mackenyu’s beautiful chiseled jaw, it would also just severely limit the movement of the two swords he already has.
I’m already impressed with the two brief instances of three sword style managing to make it look almost like a decently effective fighting style.
Also, I do like the little detail in the Mihawk fight where Zoro only pulls out his third sword when Mihawk pulls out Yoru. Almost like he isn’t willing to go all out until Mihawk is willing to go all out.
random joke that popped in my head:
The strawhats enter the grandline and come across a smallisland. they land...and meet twenty identical Jango clones
"welcome...to the island of Jangos!"
this is the most random thing I've seen today😂😂😂 Nice random joke👍👍👍
Can you please do a season 1 review again (specifically garp) after you are caught up because pretty much the entire fanbase agrees that they destroyed garp's character in the LA
Nobody believes the one piece is something like jewels or a weapon or anything. There are many theories that are spoilery so I won’t really say them but they’re all something along the lines of history, a logbook, rogers personal treasure (like luffys hat equivalent). Another theory is that it is an action that needs to be taken that creates or brings forth the one piece like destroying something, revealing something, connecting something, etc.
2:19:48 to be completely honest, if they really wanted to go with this perspective, Nami should have not told Nojiko even still. Then she really would have had nothing. The villagers and Nojiko would then need to attempt to riot on arlong park, where they overhear arlong confront her about their deal. Having them find out about it at that point would be way stronger of a scene than the one we got.
Personally I prefer the anime, because Nami *is* sacrificing everything and everyone to save everyone, at least she believes it. I genuinely love the fact that the villagers knew so that she wouldn’t feel pressured to stay on their behalf. I especially love that Nojiko got her tattoo as a sign of solidarity with her sister. In the live action, she should have gotten it afterwords, in solidarity.
2:06:26 Arlong and Fishmen pirates were mentioned to be split in two in the anime..so it was left open ended as to why.
I love your reaction in one piece.. one piece is number 1 anime here in Philippines 🇵🇭
Nami didn't choose to become a pirate. She was kidnapped and branded/tattooed. Arlong only made the deal to give her hope and keep her motivated and that's it.
The village knowing about it makes way more sense than taking them 8 years to put it together. I'm also a little annoyed that they buried Bellemere in the orchard.
What I think it’s really interesting/funny is that often in one piece,things that look really silly end up being this very serious plot-changing thing and things that look very serious end up being very silly inconsequential things . And it has a tone that allows that in a way that it feels completely natural to the story, ends up being pretty funny and keeps you on your toes with the mystery.
The more you guys watch it’s gonna make sense to why the one piece is actually a physical thing and not the friends along the way
One Piece is an excelent show to watch for the first time, but it gets better when you rewatch it knowing what's gonna happen in the future. You can have a demonstration of this feeling by watching the Live Action for the first time, and then you come to watch the anime and understands exactly why Nami despises pirates, for example. One Piece is so well written that you'll see why Arlong hates humans, or why Shanks was at Luffy's village, how Sanji ended up working at Baratie as a child and etc. The story is alive and everything connects at some point.
43:11 - " it's time to aquire it "
Loving the discussion!
I find so weird how yo guys be understimating how deep a long & popular show with an enormous fanbase like One Piece can be! I mean it's okay to enter with midium expectations. it's accually a good thing, as it increases the level of surprise BUT you make way too much interpretations based on the tiny portion of story you've consumed, which makes One Piece sounds like a basic show and that's kinda annoying for viewers who knows the greatness of One Piece.
. NOT TRYNNA BE TOXIC THO I REALLY ENJOY YOUR REACTIONS & ANALYSES, so I advise you to be more patient, expand your vision for this long and beatiful story
I get that some people are annoyed, but we’re being as unbiased as we can and just taking things as they come. I’m sure everything seems much more expansive to people with will context, but we’re interpreting things on a scene by Scene basis, so of course our opinions will change. I think from the perspective of someone who loves one piece, the measured and analytical approach care seem reductive, when I think everything we’re saying is completely fair.
I don’t even think we’ve said anything that negative, we’re just not jumping for joy every time anything happens.
We’ll just have to see where things go
So glad to hear Carson is at least aware his opinion on Nojiko and the villagers is an unpopular one (as it should be). It's a god awful take and tons of comments here illustrate why.
One Piece is REAL!!! 💪💪💪
The one piece is a real thing, no one says is treasure, but it's a real thing, as you go on in the story you will see how we are so sure, no spoilers, but because the one piece is something important to the world of one piece
One Piece's ability to switch from comedy to serious is amazing. Other shounen does this such as Dragon Ball, Naruto and Gintama also does this but not at this level.
In the future videos I feel like I am going to see chopper plushie with you guys 😂❤
you have no idea
we got to those eps and he might be our new favourite character. You guys are gonna love those reactions!
@@BOLDcastOnePiece im curious who was your favorite character before that? I still didn't watch the video im leaving it for the weekend
@@BOLDcastOnePiecewoooo
@@yolurozo9761Luffy and Sanji
Lindsay's gonna go crazy
Regarding Oda's statements on what the One Piece is, I always feel like fans may have walked away with their own interpretations of whatever the exact statement may be. To my knowledge, the context is very much that it is not going to be a 'the One Piece is the friends we made along the way' sort of ethereal bullshit thing given the scale that (given our present knowledge), the One Piece is either the biggest McGuffin in popular culture or the slowest utilized Chekov's gun. It is my belief that Oda, with that particular statement, wants to communicate that the One Piece is not just a plot device, nor some thinly wrapped spiritual promotion piece, but an actual part of the story that had had its existence, intention, purpose and meaning very clearly defined since the very first chapter.
Oda is both. He plans ahead a lot, his foreshadowing and callbacks are just insane, youll have time to see for yourself how crazy they can get. But he also admitted himself, for a lot of things he just comes up with them on the moment. His editors constantly battled with him to keep him from going off the main path too much. He loves straying on random adventures and writing a shitton of characters. Lets just say One Piece wasnt meant to last 24+ years easily going for 30 but more like 5.
Ohhhh. Excited for them to take a dip on the first pieces of deep lore in the series. Wonder if they'll change their mind about one piece before 1000 eps? XD love the podcast per saga btw. This is the usual format for manga readers here in yt but having this also for reactions is awesome. Excited for next saga podcast. XD
i hope you see this Oda says "i feel they deserve a reward dont you?"
1:05:02 Carson probably making a super pissed face 😡
The funny thing is that Mihawk's strength is not even nearly comprehensible enough, even in the anime where its showed much better. The sheer magnitude of his power and other big players later down the line needs all the context of 1000 episodes to truly get. He is quite literally the ceiling of power and introducing him this early in the series was a genius move.
Nice review😊
If You get Ahead in the Anime that’s OK..Those of us who Have kept up Are PLEASED WITH THIS LIVE ACTION🙏🌹🌹❤️
I'm just gonna say one thing. Oda is not your typical author that makes typical strories with typical plot twist.
49:06 Gol D. Roger will be laughing from his grave😂
"HE LAUGHED"
Can't wait for you guys to reach At The Land of Wano