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I know It's Not gonna make sense of Gun eating A Devil Fruit, As of Now... and I also know The Greatest Scientist, in One Piece Whose many other Inventions based on Devil Fruits Existence and Mysterious for now related to them... So😂 I can't Spoil you... However something not making sense is Oda leaving a Premature Taste of Unexpected Shocking Reveals 100s of Chapters Later .... Having watched Latest Chapters, I can say... If it's Non-Sensical... Oda has started cooking something Big along the way
Love your discussions, love your arc reviews. I would like to request the addition of a new section which covers the cover stories. I've commented on this a couple of times and I just wanted to make sure you guys read the comments.
Skypiea is the most Important Island dedicated to foreshadowing One Piece Treasure in Entire story line... I don't think Oda involved in OP LA is gonna Let them remove his Chess pieces... even if it seems Non-Sensical or Less important, because that's how chess pieces works... Remember "Dancing Party scene of Skypiea is Favourite Scene of Oda" For A Reason... you aren't yet supposed to know, However It's Maybe Literally Hinting at Something Big, maybe Biggest Event in OP later, when a flashback will play and We will probably Cry our Eyes out over something We mocked... because Oda wants us to think it's wacky and For Adding more Surface... when sometimes Oda Literally Leaves Biggest Reveal of Show in Skypiea, in a Casual Sentence of Subtitles...
I must warn you not to expect Luffy's character development. I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm saying you're ruining your viewing experience by waiting for it. His non-changes are intentional, fully thought out, effective and successful, and they are consistent with existing literary concepts. If you're interested in reading about this, there is a concept in literature of the "flat character". In the "flat character arc" concept, the character does not change or his changes have no effect on his actions, the world, the story, or the characters around him. This is a real, working concept that has been around for many decades. An example of another anime character with a "flat arc" is Son Goku - he has a different personality, but the structure of his presence in the work is the same. And you mentioned it bthw. There are also many examples in classical Western culture - Indiana Jones, James Bond. Yes, even the Finnish Snufkin or the Swedish Carlson are examples of book characters with a “flat arch”. THE ENTIRE POINT is for Luffy NOT to change, because he is the main engine of the story - he is a prism for the viewer’s perception, he is a comparative characteristic for creating contrast with other characters, and he is an independent unit of personality that provokes events around him. And it's not that he's not interesting as a character, as he already is. His reaction is unique, and you cannot completely predict what it will be, and each new reaction and new decision complements his image. Not once in 1000 episodes have I felt like I really NEEDED Luffy to change. At first I also WANTED this a couple of times, but this is not what I needed, and at this stage of the plot development I clearly understand this. Again, I'm not saying that Luffy won't change, nor am I saying otherwise. I'm just saying that he is a "flat character", so if there are changes, they will happen in a certain way, which I described at the very beginning.
Crocodile is actually one of the villains who hits Luffy closest to home because he's the first person in this entire story who has the power to question Luffy's ability to become the pirate king. He constantly calls Luffy a rookie, he doesn't take Luffy seriously, he mocks his dream and that's why the last thing Luffy says before beating Crocodile is "I WILL SURPASS YOU!" not something like he's going to save Vivi or Alabasta. It's a very personal fight for Luffy, it's not simple good guy vs bad guy. Although I do think some of that can get a bit lost in the grand war happening around them.
Btw Oda doesn't shy away from the fact that he gets inspired from other stories, which is one of his best qualities, getting inspired by and giving twists to known stories.
one of the main reasons people tend to want to skip this arc is because of the anime pacing. other than that, people that do skip this arc dont know the amount of lore and information this arc has for the future of one piece. just because people say they skipped it does not mean it is not important. all canon arcs in this series is important for the story
Most arcs after this (in the anime) aren't paced very well. It gets progressively worse pacing-wise, it's just that a lot of the content in Skypeia is kinda eh with a mixture of slow pacing vs other arcs with slow pacing that have really awesome content. Like the one they are soon gonna enter.
Yes, as manga reader im really confused when people said they dont like skypiea saga since i think in the manga the pacing was not that terrible, but watching these anime react now i realize how much more tedious the pacing is in the anime especially the next arc of Long Ring Long Land.
I love listening to your podcasts. There are some surprisingly good guesses in between some very bad ones. I just hope you remember them when you find out the truth. It feels rewarding for both - "Yeah! I guessed that!" and "Wow, I was so off!". And it keeps One piece interesting that you never know which one it will be.
About Oda not repeating the same things aesthetically, one thing that he does is that he never uses the same panel twice (in the manga, the anime is a different thing). So if he has to do a flashback back to a previous episode he will redraw it, differently.
That’s refreshing I bet I love seeing artists revisit scene with an evolved art style. Seeing Araki draw Jonathan in modern Jojo’s artstyle is crazy for example Or seeing bonfire of dreams redrawn from Casca’s perspective 20 years after its initial release I bet it’s the same for OP
@@BOLDcastOnePiece It is yes and having such a long series you can imagine how far back Oda can go. I would say Oda might not be the most technical mangaka out there but he definitely is devoted as an artist and he's one of the most unique artists out there, one of his great strengths is in his imagination and the impact his scenery has, that I think Skypiea was one of his first showings and it gets better and better. No spoilers though, I'll wait for your reaction on that it's fun rediscovering One Piece so thank you both for what you do.
@@BOLDcastOnePieceAnother reason for that is just Oda’s work ethic. He has said that the reason he never reuses panels is that “my readers are paying for new drawings, it would feel cheap to just reuse old ones”
i'm a writter as well and i totally agree with the fact that people underestimate what writting a story really is, i've spent weeks and months trying to find the right way to solve a specific plot point or simply square the details when things get to complex to keep all open storylines consistent and coherent while trying to keep in mind the bigger picture, that's mainly the reason why i hate how easily people say "the power of the script did this" because they don't know how autors more often than not break their heads trying to make everything make sense, so thank you so much for saying that
About no one in Sky Island knowing devil fruits: That kinda doesn't work on multiple levels but the most obvious level is that Shandians aren't native to the Sky Islands. Their ancestors are from an Island on the Grand Line where everyone knows what Devil Fruits are. Another reason is because Luffy and his crew aren't the first to come up to the Sky Island. It happens every once in a while and since the crews that go up to the Sky are pirate groups on the grand line, chances are that there should have been a couple devil fruit users. In terms of worldbuilding I think it would be harder to convince me that no one on the Sky Island knows what a devil fruit is.
Youre not wrong. I agree with them that it would've been more interesting for them not to have known about Devil Fruits. (But they'll get that trope later on)
The skipping is just an anime thing, the manga doesn't have those kind of problems. People just thought that skypea didn't matter until it did but like 20 arcs later. Rewatching makes you realize that some random comments or moments has a lot of significance in the future.
One thing I like about the whole “keeping Luffy on the sidelines” in Skypiea is that it actually has a utility at the end. They are able to get gold because Luffy got trapped in the snake and stumbled across it. It’s an aspect I really like about Skypiea is how little details tend to come full circle story telling wise in the arc. From a narrative perspective that’s what makes Skypiea really enjoyable, especially upon rereads/rewatches.
The reason Crocodile impaling Luffy with his hook is so iconic is because it was the first time in the series that he lost that badly in a fight. Even if you know he'll come back and eventually beat Crocodile, the moment itself is still memorable as the first time in the series that Luffy was challenged to that degree by an opponent. Your perspective wasn't wrong, it just wasn't the point of the scene, that's all.
Luffy is saying, "I will take on the world." Crocodile is saying, "I've seen the world. You can't take it. I will settle for one island. What makes you better than me?" Luffy after two losses, "Resilience."
You guys are my favorite one piece reactors now ❤i love your discussion so much and i can't wait for the next arc its one of the best arcs in one piece ❤❤
1:30:00 Wow... So i was watching a reaction mashup of OPLA 4-5 days ago .. in that I enjoyed your reaction and then searched for your channel ... Then after watching your reactions, I enjoyed them so much... your initial reaction with comparison to OPLA was refreshing and I enjoyed that how you were analysing different things and pointing out good and bad things of both types. Later after the crew entered Grand Line and everything was new, I enjoyed your discussion part so much cause I feel One Piece isn't an action shounen but a story-driven thriller with some action so I enjoy analysis kind of video. I subbed recently to you guys .. I just hope you keep these theories memorized cause this journey is a part of one piece, as we are exploring the world along with straw hats. BTW not a spoiler but Oda has confirmed that One Piece is not friends you made along the way cause he hates these kinds of things for story
That oda intended that the seven warlords would be the final bosses is wrong. This is related to a different concept. So he must have been sure about the overall structure before alabasta. That people think that oda thought alabasta could be the final arc is ridiculous. This misconception came into the community because oda thought it would take about the numbers of chapters to end the story where the end of alabasta is. Oda often miscalculates the length of his story Sorry for bad english
9:44 This would not work, because it's a very important part of the story that people do not actually accept Enel as God. They're only terrified of him, and they wish the old God would return. If they actually thought he was God then his actions would have some sort of validity. But, instead, by the end they were all praying that if a real God exists, that he would take down Enel.
I don’t know how I ended up here, but I like the conversation. There aren’t a lot of people that know how to talk about this stuff from a broad perspective looking at storytelling as a whole in the community. You guys sound like the people I would hang out with and have long conversations about a movie I just saw. I definitely hear the experience in some sort of type of production background or experience from watching a lot of movies/tv shows. I’ll definitely tune in and subscribe.
By the way, people that skip stuff are not worth listening to. The great thing about One Piece is that there are multiple ways people can experience it because there are different aspects of the series people will latch onto. Some people like the lore and world building, some people like the themes, some only watch for the characters, some watch for the fights, etc. Watching reactions is valuable to us because it’s interesting to hear what perspective people take and if it possibly relates to our perspectives. There are a ton of content creators with different vibes for that reason.
Personally the big message of this arc is simply the sense of wonder and adventure and the romanticism of its story 400 years old battle? Poneglyphs? Battles over lands? They do matter but not to the crew and that's the point When everyone's readying to fight they're having a party in the middle of the night with wolves and a big fire Their carelessness is contrasted through Robin, she's even confused as to why anyone would set up a campfire in unknown territories For Luffy finding the gold is a sidetrack His goal was the golden bell Not for 400y old ancestry or to bring the voice of the land But to keep dreams going, Cricket's dream to find the city of gold, and the idea that dreams never die Complimenting Jaya and making full Circle That's why Robin helping Wyper figure out WHY Luffy wanted to get to that bell was important too and made him drop his unrepressed rage and finally conclude his wish to ring it Which also aligns with Luffy at the end of the day When he later wakes up he still thinks they're fighting when it doesn't matter anymore and they all wanted to share
Well you are right in general, BUT I think that the biggest message of Skypea is about colonialism and the peaceful coexistence (in the end) of two peoples who have been at war for 400 years
Hope in the future, they talk more about the themes of the arcs. I don't understand people that push them to make theories, they are not at a point in the story to know what is and what is not foreshadow.
I feel like they are more fixated on the negative comments that they tend to forget that there are a lot of their audience who love what they are doing. Which leads to them often over-explaining and clarifying a lot of things they say.
As a long-time One Piece fan, I never understood people that skip canon arcs. I can understand filler, although I actually watched all of the filler myself. With that being said, I've always liked the Skypiea arc more than the popular opinion, so of course the idea of skipping it would have never crossed my mind.
I think an important way to look at fights in One Piece especially Luffy's is that he represents freedom in the story so the antagonist are very literal roadblocks in the way of that freedom, it's not about proving them wrong is about getting them out of the way, if anything that idea of fights being arguments happen separately and are more about the difference between Luffy and the antagonist as captains and pirates.
I've never met or heard of anyone skipping Skypia, it's just a meme. I loved Skypia, the themes, how adventurous it is, the comedy, that flashback and that incredible ending with the bell, it has a special place in my mind. Allow me a small suggestion, the arcs of One Piece have several central themes that they touch on and I think you should talk more about it. It is in these themes where the heart of the story lies and where it shines.
back in 2014/2015 when i watched One Piece for the first time and literally all i did for my holiday was watch One Piece,eat and sleep. The Pacing was really really slow and i sometimes felt bored that became worse in Dressrosa but it was the ongoing Arc at the moment.
this is not a spoiler!!! I was really hoping for a question about the chance of you guys reading the Cover story of Enel after the Skypiea arc, it's not showed in the anime but it's canon story still, I don't recommend this for any reactor but since you have so many questions about certain things it would be helpful for some of those. P.S: Cover storys are the continuation of the journey of characters that we encountered in previous arcs, Oda tell us about them in one page per chapter in the manga, so it's not a long thing.
The idea that Skypieans wouldn't know about devil fruits just doesn't make sense even with the information you learn within the arc. While the sky islands are more isolated and harder to reach, there is still trade and contact with blue sea people. Especially when you pay attention to the mentions of a safer, more conventional route connecting the blue sea and the white sea in the grand line. Then there are the Shandians who were from the grand line. While territorial, they still would be aware of devil fruits and general information about the grand line. The world of one piece is a living world that typically doesn't take the easy way out when it comes to worldbuilding. It's also one of Oda's greatest strengths as a writer in general.
I feel when comapring oda's spontaneity to kishimoto's, the difference is Oda's sudden rveales don't feel like bullshit, he does lay the groundwork a lot of the time and when he doesn't it doesn't feel disingenuous or thrown in without thought or care. And you can stll try and think abou the story's direction because Oda's not just gonna go "oh actually eneru was nami's uncle whose grandpappy hundreds of years ago made a big thingy and blah bah" One piece is weird and wacky and silly, but what it doesn't do is just change the rules for no reason.
Love these saga reviews. I love how much you both have to say and appreciate the in-depth analysis that many people don't go into. I especially love the criticism. One Piece is my favorite story and I love to see it picked apart to gain new perspectives. Massively looking forward to the next one. I'll go back and catch up with each episode reaction soon haha. My pace slowed down during Skypiea but I'd never want to consider skipping things. I love the whole ride.
I get why some ppl might want to skip it but this is a very important Arc. There are just ppl who decided to read the manga for it but just bc some ppl decided to skip it does not mean that this Arc isn’t important. It is very important for future Arcs, so keep the things that happened in Skypia in mind.
there was one thing that you guys misunderstood about the shandians and the porneglyph. they did not understand the ancient language and didn't ever see the bell or the text in their life since it was lost for 400 years. they were relieved because of gold rogers words "I will carry this message to the end of the grand line" or something. he had already carried out the mission. but they might have never known if they didn't meet robin because not many people can read the ancient language and robin translated it for them. (at least that's how I remember it correct me if I am wrong about any of this) anyways I love your reviews and podcasts it's nice to see someone who actually thinks about and analyzes the content they watch. I may not always agree with every single thing you say but I like hearing a different, honest perspective. if any of you two likes to read I would love to see manga reviews just so you can experience the vast difference in pacing and the amount of stuff that didn't seem like filler but actually was. anyways, thanks for letting us enjoy the journey with you! :D
I really appreciate your reaction/reviews!! Like, your analysis, guess everything is so fun and refreshing to me😂 Thank you so much for starting One Piece, I needed you
Little Garden is not an Elbaf island, It is just an island that happend to have teo Elbaf warriors on it, of course including the prehistoric animals, Elbaf is its own island😊
Carson's stance on Luffy vs Crocodile is always so weird and now he's contradicting himself. Luffy is the main character, of course, he will win and is the answer to every problem. It's correct in the strictest sense, which is why his fight with Crododile meant something: he lost twice and the first time it happened it wasn't even a fight because Luffy couldn't even land a hit. Now the story presented a dilemma for Luffy, how could he win in that situation? He got it right the second fight but was still messing around as always, and then he finally got serious before finally beating Crocodile. If the impact of Luffy's "dying" was lost since you're a new viewer for a long series, that's fine. Anyone would realize he would get back up later either way. The point was what he would do when his usual strategy doesn't work anymore? I noticed that the two of you are either oversimplifying or overthinking something, which is fine when theorizing in general. The problem lies when you still get something wrong and then contradict your point in the end.
It's crazy to think that a channel can love G8 so much but then other channel (Double Dragon) completely hated this filler arc. One of the guys made a shirt "Everything is great but G8"
@@franzmikolan4109 That was the exact reason why they hated so much. They probably wouldn't like anyway but those dumbasses hyped this shit so much that when they didn't like it it actually made them hated it
The issue with Double Dragon is that Lycan lacks critical thinking, storytelling skills, and a sense of fun. He even mocks Amenz for laughing or showing emotions@@deyvsonandrade1939
1:20:10 - you can tell those people that Oda would not be offended because he actually had Jonathan cameo later on because of how much he enjoyed the arc. Jonathan doesn't do anything, no lines or anything, so I don't think this is a spoiler. He just appears in the shot on two separate occasions, sort of a 'Where's Waldo' thing. Hopefully you find him.
On the topic of Alabasta and what dialog/message is in defeating Crocodile, I think there's a little more there than the simple evil vs good paradigm. To me, there's at least one other major idea that Crocodile embodies, which Luffy refutes by defeating him. That ideals without the power to back them up are useless. This is best illustrated in his interactions with Vivi and Tashigi. When he's about to drop Vivi from the palace roof, he mocks her for sticking to her ideals and even states that adhering to them vehemently actually resulted in more deaths than necessary. Similarly, when confronting Tashigi (who was lying helplessly on the ground after Robin broke her leg) he tells her that "losers can't speak of justice, that's the kind of Sea we're in". Even after Crocodile is defeated, his words are still stuck in Tashigi's head and we see in her frustration that they are somewhat vindicated, she didn't follow her own justice because she lacked the power to do anything but help the pirates, it wasn't her choice but her only option. What is Crocodile's stated goal? We learn that his ultimate reason for taking over Alabasta is to find the ancient weapon Pluton, but that's not his end goal, he says he needs the power of Pluton to fight the World Government so he can create his own country. His entire plan was nicknamed project Utopia for a reason, I think he genuinely wants to create one, and believes he needs the power of Pluton to do so, and he's willing to take whatever means to achieve that. Clearly, the audience knows that any "Utopia" that Crocodile creates won't actually be one, it will simply be another military state, but I think it's indicative of how lofty his goal actually is to justify needing that level of power, and implies that in the past Crocodile had his dreams crushed in the face of overwhelming power when he was a rookie pirate. Which is reflected in his dialog with Luffy during their final fight when Luffy announces he will be the next King of the Pirates. Crocodile tells him there are any number of rookies just like you in this Sea, and that the more you learn about this Sea, the less you'll be able to spout off about such dreams. Anyway, great discussion and I can't wait to see how you enjoy what's coming next.
One thing you will learn in one piece is that information is almost like a 1 way mirror. It seems so mysterious and hidden until you learn it, and then it’s retconned into being widespread information. The 2 main examples you’ve seen so far being the grand line/devil fruit info being basically nonexistent in the east blue when tons of characters know the info (and the news describes everything going on there) and how Enel seemed so mysterious yet gan fall knew he was a dude from Birka with a lightning logia and just didn’t say anything. The show does this a lot. Many other characters and things you only half understand come out to be basic info
I never felt like Luffy was overpowered in the first half of one piece (except the first few small time villains). He literally only wins through gimmicks and sheer willpower, most of his opponents are much stronger than him tbh. He's overpowered now in the story but there are still people WAAY stronger
Yeah. Luffy is kinda overpowered in the first half but as the story goes, there are some stronger opponents/enemies that are on different level and SPOILERS: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Sabaody and Marineford arc are like the test for the main protagonist
I dont care what anyone says, Skypiea is still in my top 3 arcs for multiple reasons, and this is excluding how it gets more relevant as the show progresses. As a standalone arc, it has many things: Pure adventure in a wonderous destination, deep lore of the land (Noland's backstory shreds me to pieces), S tier One Piece humor, a villain that has terrifying abilities and is competent (minus funny haha face), great art, and many great fights. I love rewatching it all the time. I never really understood why people say it has bad pacing in the anime, granted I've never read Skypiea to compare it. The only part that felt even remotely dragged out was Luffy in the snake. I didn't really mind it since many other things were happening that were of more importance. Also side note, Eneru still technically "won" since he left to where he wanted to go anyway. He would be an absolute monster if he decided to train for a while and then come back lol
It just ocured to me that a certain someone might have been the one to create Skypia. They have music in common and a island in the sky is pretty creative.
oh my god. your thoughts on what you want to come mext in the story just make me soooo excited for you to get to the next few arcs holy shit i cant waittttt!!!
Skypiea skippers mostly complain about the pacing which i agree is horrendous But I hope someday when you get further into the story you'll try to actually read it The experience was night and day for me and i already loved Skypiea in the anime lol
@@franzmikolan4109 Being weekly or not does not change anything about the pacing. You still have to sit through 20 minutes of almost nothing. The manga is weekly too, and reading the Skypiea arc in the manga is an absolute blast.
I genuinely love the way you guys breakdown the arcs with your hyper critical analysis you dont see much of it from first time watchers its almost like you’ve seen the show a couple of times alr🤣dont stop them f thr haters!
I never understood the skipping Skypiea claims because the arc as a whole has been set up to a point whereby anyone can deduct that it's not going to be a filler. You even had canon characters like Blackbeard in Jaya talking about Skypiea. Originally I had thought it was a hyperbolic claim made by fans due to how long the arc was. I didn't think people actually skipped it😭
This is probably the only arc were up until a few years ago people could boldly claim they skipped it. You have no idea how much important this arc is and you won't understand it until you catch up. By my estimate you need 3 - 4 years to catch up. Oda would likely try to finish One Piece in 3 years so it's likely it would finish within 4 years. Make sure you catch up before the show ends because manga is only 30+ chapters ahead of anime.
Idk I was just a kid watching one piece I was never trying to compare. it was all just in my feels thinking of what will happen next week. being older and watching it is wild for me too see from you guys and another reaction. love to see the difference
Oda is a very contemplative and careful writer. One common thing you'll see all through One Piece is that he'll introduce an idea or theme in the story early. As a testing bed. Then he'll refine it for when he actually wants to use it in a major way. A great example of this is Koza and Wiper.
Right, yes thank you I think Lindsay was just drawing a blank (Btw I was so sure elbaf was gonna be at the top of the beanstalk before we actually SAW the bell up there…)
@@BOLDcastOnePiece Yeah I had a feeling she was drawing a blank since she called it little garden in the later parts. and thats a fair assumption to make, just a fun fact tho: elbaf spelled backwards is fable. do whatever you want with that information lol it would be funny if elbaf was ontop of the beanstalk, cos how on earth would dorry and broggy even make it from there lol. at this point in the story (where you guys are at right now) all we know about elbaf is that dorry and broggy are from there, and since they are giants and viking like its fair to assume there are others like them too on that island
To me, Everything until this point is basically prologue. It’s all decent with numerous high points and moments. From here on out just after foxy is where one piece truly begins to take off
This arc certainly requires a little bit patience, pacing is a problem fortunately the backstory of nolan and shandians picks it back up, people who skip this arc miss some key info then in future there wtf is happening, but people who didn't skipped this arc understands things happen ing in future ❤
i completely agree about the devil fruit idea vs skypiea's technology. i keep saying this everywhere, but i find it real interesting that JoJo Part 6 Stone Ocean, Hunter x Hunter's Greed Island, & Skypiea were all published around the same time & all of them have verrrry similar reception for each respective fandom.
i haven't fully read the manga edition of the arc yet - but, for the anime, i feel that everything to do with the crow boat & then the four priests dragged a bunch. from what i've seen so far in the manga version of skypiea - Oda kinda had an art evolution with some very clean drawings which i do not sense in the anime here. All of these conditions is what gets me more & more hyped for the anime remaking Skypiea & the Live-Action series covering it.
Live action Skypea will be the biggest test of this series, not only bc of the technological production they'll have to do but also bc its one of the weaker arcs of OP, many ppl drop the anime bc of Skypea. They'll have to make some changes to make it more interesting and more relevant to the main story than the anime. Imo they should advance things that happen way way ahead here like they did with Garp. Many purists hate these changes but a series with the budget of OP cant have one bad performing season or else Netflix will cut it. It would be a shame if Skypea is the reason OP gets canceled, specially bc its the precursor to what is IMO the best OP saga. If the live action survives Skypea and gets green lit to adapt Water 7 saga im confident in saying OP has the potential to reach the status of other legendary series like Breaking Bad or GOT
57:59 also we know that ace mentioned in episode 95 that blackbeard killed his crewmate while being on whitebeards ship, and ace is going after him. which gives more insight to his character
Yeah we remember that, but I’m trying not to apply morality to this show because Robin is our best friend and she is responsible for killing hundreds (at least, more likely thousands) of innocent people in alabasta and other places. Black beard is technically different because betrayal amongst comrades is a serious sin, but so is killing families for your own research and personal gain. So if we’re going to talk about good/evil, there’s a few uncomfortable conversations we need to have Hence why I’m being cautious with how I talk about Blackbeard.
@@royalfun1031not flawed at all, spoiler: morality in op is mixed which is exactly why its not flawed, it has nuance like in real life. Doflamingo does a whole monologue explaining it.
You can tell from the beginning that lighting was very intentional You might don't know bit first word in the skypiea was "heso" it means bellybutton This has something to do with Raijen the god of thunder . He is the one causing the thunder in a storm and is said that he eats children's bellybutton, if one is exposed, he might swoop down and devour the child Also kami means God & kaminari means thunder So if Enel said I'm Kami it means I'm god or I'm thunder, Oda loves puns, he uses them a lot
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Love the arc reviews and the detail you put into every reaction.
I know It's Not gonna make sense of Gun eating A Devil Fruit, As of Now...
and I also know The Greatest Scientist, in One Piece Whose many other Inventions based on Devil Fruits Existence and Mysterious for now related to them...
So😂 I can't Spoil you... However something not making sense is Oda leaving a Premature Taste of Unexpected Shocking Reveals 100s of Chapters Later ....
Having watched Latest Chapters, I can say... If it's Non-Sensical... Oda has started cooking something Big along the way
Love your discussions, love your arc reviews. I would like to request the addition of a new section which covers the cover stories. I've commented on this a couple of times and I just wanted to make sure you guys read the comments.
Skypiea is the most Important Island dedicated to foreshadowing One Piece Treasure in Entire story line...
I don't think Oda involved in OP LA is gonna Let them remove his Chess pieces... even if it seems Non-Sensical or Less important, because that's how chess pieces works...
Remember "Dancing Party scene of Skypiea is Favourite Scene of Oda" For A Reason... you aren't yet supposed to know, However It's Maybe Literally Hinting at Something Big, maybe Biggest Event in OP later, when a flashback will play and We will probably Cry our Eyes out over something We mocked... because Oda wants us to think it's wacky and For Adding more Surface... when sometimes Oda Literally Leaves Biggest Reveal of Show in Skypiea, in a Casual Sentence of Subtitles...
I must warn you not to expect Luffy's character development. I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm saying you're ruining your viewing experience by waiting for it. His non-changes are intentional, fully thought out, effective and successful, and they are consistent with existing literary concepts. If you're interested in reading about this, there is a concept in literature of the "flat character". In the "flat character arc" concept, the character does not change or his changes have no effect on his actions, the world, the story, or the characters around him. This is a real, working concept that has been around for many decades.
An example of another anime character with a "flat arc" is Son Goku - he has a different personality, but the structure of his presence in the work is the same. And you mentioned it bthw. There are also many examples in classical Western culture - Indiana Jones, James Bond. Yes, even the Finnish Snufkin or the Swedish Carlson are examples of book characters with a “flat arch”.
THE ENTIRE POINT is for Luffy NOT to change, because he is the main engine of the story - he is a prism for the viewer’s perception, he is a comparative characteristic for creating contrast with other characters, and he is an independent unit of personality that provokes events around him. And it's not that he's not interesting as a character, as he already is. His reaction is unique, and you cannot completely predict what it will be, and each new reaction and new decision complements his image. Not once in 1000 episodes have I felt like I really NEEDED Luffy to change. At first I also WANTED this a couple of times, but this is not what I needed, and at this stage of the plot development I clearly understand this.
Again, I'm not saying that Luffy won't change, nor am I saying otherwise. I'm just saying that he is a "flat character", so if there are changes, they will happen in a certain way, which I described at the very beginning.
Crocodile is actually one of the villains who hits Luffy closest to home because he's the first person in this entire story who has the power to question Luffy's ability to become the pirate king. He constantly calls Luffy a rookie, he doesn't take Luffy seriously, he mocks his dream and that's why the last thing Luffy says before beating Crocodile is "I WILL SURPASS YOU!" not something like he's going to save Vivi or Alabasta. It's a very personal fight for Luffy, it's not simple good guy vs bad guy. Although I do think some of that can get a bit lost in the grand war happening around them.
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solid response brother. well thought out @@royalfun1031
Btw Oda doesn't shy away from the fact that he gets inspired from other stories, which is one of his best qualities, getting inspired by and giving twists to known stories.
"I want a smaller, shorter arc, less focused on politics"
*foxy grins widely*
I have a lot of fun watching LRLL, too bad most dislike the filler added in that.
@@franzmikolan4109 i only watched it once and it literally felt like filler... but i will rewatch it with these guys... maybe i will dislike it less.
@@KarNeoLeX I recommend the manga version of it so much. it's really sweet and short and had some very funny moments
@@oxOXChargeXOxo I thought of buying and reading all of one piece one its finished but maybe I will forward the timeline a bit
@@KarNeoLeX its because half of it in the anime is filler. The manga version is so good and funny to me
one of the main reasons people tend to want to skip this arc is because of the anime pacing. other than that, people that do skip this arc dont know the amount of lore and information this arc has for the future of one piece. just because people say they skipped it does not mean it is not important. all canon arcs in this series is important for the story
most of the lore drops are at the end so they can just skip to the finale
@@mastouriedam5845there’s more than that. Jaya itself may or may not have a connection to one piece.
Most arcs after this (in the anime) aren't paced very well. It gets progressively worse pacing-wise, it's just that a lot of the content in Skypeia is kinda eh with a mixture of slow pacing vs other arcs with slow pacing that have really awesome content. Like the one they are soon gonna enter.
Yes, as manga reader im really confused when people said they dont like skypiea saga since i think in the manga the pacing was not that terrible, but watching these anime react now i realize how much more tedious the pacing is in the anime especially the next arc of Long Ring Long Land.
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I love listening to your podcasts. There are some surprisingly good guesses in between some very bad ones. I just hope you remember them when you find out the truth. It feels rewarding for both - "Yeah! I guessed that!" and "Wow, I was so off!". And it keeps One piece interesting that you never know which one it will be.
That’s what we’re aiming for lol
“Good guesses between very bad ones”
I know its hard but with the latest episodes of One Piece popping off, I hope you guys protect yourself from spoilers.
@Sleepwalker507 not that big of a deal
About Oda not repeating the same things aesthetically, one thing that he does is that he never uses the same panel twice (in the manga, the anime is a different thing). So if he has to do a flashback back to a previous episode he will redraw it, differently.
That’s refreshing I bet
I love seeing artists revisit scene with an evolved art style. Seeing Araki draw Jonathan in modern Jojo’s artstyle is crazy for example
Or seeing bonfire of dreams redrawn from Casca’s perspective 20 years after its initial release
I bet it’s the same for OP
@@BOLDcastOnePiece It is yes and having such a long series you can imagine how far back Oda can go. I would say Oda might not be the most technical mangaka out there but he definitely is devoted as an artist and he's one of the most unique artists out there, one of his great strengths is in his imagination and the impact his scenery has, that I think Skypiea was one of his first showings and it gets better and better. No spoilers though, I'll wait for your reaction on that it's fun rediscovering One Piece so thank you both for what you do.
@@BTimelessCReminds me of the Morj vid
@@BOLDcastOnePieceAnother reason for that is just Oda’s work ethic. He has said that the reason he never reuses panels is that “my readers are paying for new drawings, it would feel cheap to just reuse old ones”
@foilenjoyer8667 Well, that's not an oda special thing specifically. Do you know oda's work hours?
45:07 "he's literally made of rubber, rubber bounces back" im stealing this line, its so good omfg 10/10
Me hearing Carson wanting something to test, shake and character development for the crew 👀👀👀👀👀👀
*they monkey curls so fast and hard its finger rips off*
i'm a writter as well and i totally agree with the fact that people underestimate what writting a story really is, i've spent weeks and months trying to find the right way to solve a specific plot point or simply square the details when things get to complex to keep all open storylines consistent and coherent while trying to keep in mind the bigger picture, that's mainly the reason why i hate how easily people say "the power of the script did this" because they don't know how autors more often than not break their heads trying to make everything make sense, so thank you so much for saying that
I loved the intro though, that is an actual reason why we follow this channel :D
About no one in Sky Island knowing devil fruits:
That kinda doesn't work on multiple levels but the most obvious level is that Shandians aren't native to the Sky Islands. Their ancestors are from an Island on the Grand Line where everyone knows what Devil Fruits are.
Another reason is because Luffy and his crew aren't the first to come up to the Sky Island. It happens every once in a while and since the crews that go up to the Sky are pirate groups on the grand line, chances are that there should have been a couple devil fruit users.
In terms of worldbuilding I think it would be harder to convince me that no one on the Sky Island knows what a devil fruit is.
Youre not wrong. I agree with them that it would've been more interesting for them not to have known about Devil Fruits. (But they'll get that trope later on)
The skipping is just an anime thing, the manga doesn't have those kind of problems. People just thought that skypea didn't matter until it did but like 20 arcs later.
Rewatching makes you realize that some random comments or moments has a lot of significance in the future.
Retconning luffy's fruit is that.
@@nathandanczak7822Read back the Manga in East Blue. You'll see that it isn't. 😉
One thing I like about the whole “keeping Luffy on the sidelines” in Skypiea is that it actually has a utility at the end. They are able to get gold because Luffy got trapped in the snake and stumbled across it.
It’s an aspect I really like about Skypiea is how little details tend to come full circle story telling wise in the arc. From a narrative perspective that’s what makes Skypiea really enjoyable, especially upon rereads/rewatches.
The reason Crocodile impaling Luffy with his hook is so iconic is because it was the first time in the series that he lost that badly in a fight. Even if you know he'll come back and eventually beat Crocodile, the moment itself is still memorable as the first time in the series that Luffy was challenged to that degree by an opponent. Your perspective wasn't wrong, it just wasn't the point of the scene, that's all.
its the first time luffy LOST, its a big deal
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Luffy is saying, "I will take on the world."
Crocodile is saying, "I've seen the world. You can't take it. I will settle for one island. What makes you better than me?"
Luffy after two losses, "Resilience."
2:00:44 There was poneglyph text on a fresco in the city I believe but the poneglyph itself was actually a big cube with a belfry built around it.
You guys are my favorite one piece reactors now ❤i love your discussion so much and i can't wait for the next arc its one of the best arcs in one piece ❤❤
I think you forgot which one’s actually next 😂
1:30:00 Wow... So i was watching a reaction mashup of OPLA 4-5 days ago .. in that I enjoyed your reaction and then searched for your channel ... Then after watching your reactions, I enjoyed them so much... your initial reaction with comparison to OPLA was refreshing and I enjoyed that how you were analysing different things and pointing out good and bad things of both types. Later after the crew entered Grand Line and everything was new, I enjoyed your discussion part so much cause I feel One Piece isn't an action shounen but a story-driven thriller with some action so I enjoy analysis kind of video. I subbed recently to you guys .. I just hope you keep these theories memorized cause this journey is a part of one piece, as we are exploring the world along with straw hats. BTW not a spoiler but Oda has confirmed that One Piece is not friends you made along the way cause he hates these kinds of things for story
1:31:11 I'm sure you are aware, it was probably just an "in the moment" slip up, but Nami's dream is to map the whole world, not get money.
That oda intended that the seven warlords would be the final bosses is wrong. This is related to a different concept. So he must have been sure about the overall structure before alabasta. That people think that oda thought alabasta could be the final arc is ridiculous. This misconception came into the community because oda thought it would take about the numbers of chapters to end the story where the end of alabasta is. Oda often miscalculates the length of his story
Sorry for bad english
Remember, Nico Robin saved Luffy three times before she became part of the crew
Meh.
9:44 This would not work, because it's a very important part of the story that people do not actually accept Enel as God. They're only terrified of him, and they wish the old God would return. If they actually thought he was God then his actions would have some sort of validity. But, instead, by the end they were all praying that if a real God exists, that he would take down Enel.
I don’t know how I ended up here, but I like the conversation. There aren’t a lot of people that know how to talk about this stuff from a broad perspective looking at storytelling as a whole in the community. You guys sound like the people I would hang out with and have long conversations about a movie I just saw. I definitely hear the experience in some sort of type of production background or experience from watching a lot of movies/tv shows. I’ll definitely tune in and subscribe.
By the way, people that skip stuff are not worth listening to. The great thing about One Piece is that there are multiple ways people can experience it because there are different aspects of the series people will latch onto. Some people like the lore and world building, some people like the themes, some only watch for the characters, some watch for the fights, etc. Watching reactions is valuable to us because it’s interesting to hear what perspective people take and if it possibly relates to our perspectives. There are a ton of content creators with different vibes for that reason.
Personally the big message of this arc is simply the sense of wonder and adventure and the romanticism of its story
400 years old battle? Poneglyphs? Battles over lands?
They do matter but not to the crew and that's the point
When everyone's readying to fight they're having a party in the middle of the night with wolves and a big fire
Their carelessness is contrasted through Robin, she's even confused as to why anyone would set up a campfire in unknown territories
For Luffy finding the gold is a sidetrack
His goal was the golden bell
Not for 400y old ancestry or to bring the voice of the land
But to keep dreams going, Cricket's dream to find the city of gold, and the idea that dreams never die
Complimenting Jaya and making full Circle
That's why Robin helping Wyper figure out WHY Luffy wanted to get to that bell was important too and made him drop his unrepressed rage and finally conclude his wish to ring it
Which also aligns with Luffy at the end of the day
When he later wakes up he still thinks they're fighting when it doesn't matter anymore and they all wanted to share
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Well you are right in general, BUT I think that the biggest message of Skypea is about colonialism and the peaceful coexistence (in the end) of two peoples who have been at war for 400 years
Hope in the future, they talk more about the themes of the arcs. I don't understand people that push them to make theories, they are not at a point in the story to know what is and what is not foreshadow.
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It's really funny how these two always feel like they're about to fight when talking lol
I feel like they are more fixated on the negative comments that they tend to forget that there are a lot of their audience who love what they are doing. Which leads to them often over-explaining and clarifying a lot of things they say.
As a long-time One Piece fan, I never understood people that skip canon arcs. I can understand filler, although I actually watched all of the filler myself. With that being said, I've always liked the Skypiea arc more than the popular opinion, so of course the idea of skipping it would have never crossed my mind.
I think an important way to look at fights in One Piece especially Luffy's is that he represents freedom in the story so the antagonist are very literal roadblocks in the way of that freedom, it's not about proving them wrong is about getting them out of the way, if anything that idea of fights being arguments happen separately and are more about the difference between Luffy and the antagonist as captains and pirates.
I've never met or heard of anyone skipping Skypia, it's just a meme. I loved Skypia, the themes, how adventurous it is, the comedy, that flashback and that incredible ending with the bell, it has a special place in my mind.
Allow me a small suggestion, the arcs of One Piece have several central themes that they touch on and I think you should talk more about it. It is in these themes where the heart of the story lies and where it shines.
back in 2014/2015 when i watched One Piece for the first time and literally all i did for my holiday was watch One Piece,eat and sleep. The Pacing was really really slow and i sometimes felt bored
that became worse in Dressrosa but it was the ongoing Arc at the moment.
this is not a spoiler!!! I was really hoping for a question about the chance of you guys reading the Cover story of Enel after the Skypiea arc, it's not showed in the anime but it's canon story still, I don't recommend this for any reactor but since you have so many questions about certain things it would be helpful for some of those. P.S: Cover storys are the continuation of the journey of characters that we encountered in previous arcs, Oda tell us about them in one page per chapter in the manga, so it's not a long thing.
The idea that Skypieans wouldn't know about devil fruits just doesn't make sense even with the information you learn within the arc. While the sky islands are more isolated and harder to reach, there is still trade and contact with blue sea people. Especially when you pay attention to the mentions of a safer, more conventional route connecting the blue sea and the white sea in the grand line.
Then there are the Shandians who were from the grand line. While territorial, they still would be aware of devil fruits and general information about the grand line. The world of one piece is a living world that typically doesn't take the easy way out when it comes to worldbuilding. It's also one of Oda's greatest strengths as a writer in general.
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plus they get shit that gets thrown up there, hence giant jacklikely being a plant that got blow up there and grew to giant size
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34:47 Is everyone else also smiling while listening to the expectations? 😁🤣
Oh boy, you are in for a treat, more than you would ever expect or asked for in this review about what’s next
I feel when comapring oda's spontaneity to kishimoto's, the difference is Oda's sudden rveales don't feel like bullshit, he does lay the groundwork a lot of the time and when he doesn't it doesn't feel disingenuous or thrown in without thought or care. And you can stll try and think abou the story's direction because Oda's not just gonna go "oh actually eneru was nami's uncle whose grandpappy hundreds of years ago made a big thingy and blah bah"
One piece is weird and wacky and silly, but what it doesn't do is just change the rules for no reason.
OH BOY, this is the first time i have seen someone mention Deltora quest. this was one of my fav book series when i was a child
Was into the anime?😏
@@irfanharithzain3240 not really, a lot of weird stuff happend with the anime
Just from hearing your convos, youre going to love whats coming
Love these saga reviews. I love how much you both have to say and appreciate the in-depth analysis that many people don't go into. I especially love the criticism. One Piece is my favorite story and I love to see it picked apart to gain new perspectives. Massively looking forward to the next one. I'll go back and catch up with each episode reaction soon haha.
My pace slowed down during Skypiea but I'd never want to consider skipping things. I love the whole ride.
I get why some ppl might want to skip it but this is a very important Arc. There are just ppl who decided to read the manga for it but just bc some ppl decided to skip it does not mean that this Arc isn’t important. It is very important for future Arcs, so keep the things that happened in Skypia in mind.
I read the manga
Skipping is a vile act
1:29:57 - ahhhhhhhhh 👍👍👍
Brought such a smile to my face.
Love the intro to this Podcast 🤣✨💖❤
Great review
On the subject of arc skipping - Enjoy the cannon stories.
there was one thing that you guys misunderstood about the shandians and the porneglyph. they did not understand the ancient language and didn't ever see the bell or the text in their life since it was lost for 400 years. they were relieved because of gold rogers words "I will carry this message to the end of the grand line" or something. he had already carried out the mission. but they might have never known if they didn't meet robin because not many people can read the ancient language and robin translated it for them.
(at least that's how I remember it correct me if I am wrong about any of this)
anyways I love your reviews and podcasts it's nice to see someone who actually thinks about and analyzes the content they watch. I may not always agree with every single thing you say but I like hearing a different, honest perspective. if any of you two likes to read I would love to see manga reviews just so you can experience the vast difference in pacing and the amount of stuff that didn't seem like filler but actually was.
anyways, thanks for letting us enjoy the journey with you! :D
I really appreciate your reaction/reviews!! Like, your analysis, guess everything is so fun and refreshing to me😂 Thank you so much for starting One Piece, I needed you
Little Garden is not an Elbaf island, It is just an island that happend to have teo Elbaf warriors on it, of course including the prehistoric animals, Elbaf is its own island😊
I hope the rest of the Piecast is as great as the intro xD
Woop woop! Another great episode!
Them talking about where they want the story to go:
Me: Yes, very interesting...
Carson's stance on Luffy vs Crocodile is always so weird and now he's contradicting himself. Luffy is the main character, of course, he will win and is the answer to every problem. It's correct in the strictest sense, which is why his fight with Crododile meant something: he lost twice and the first time it happened it wasn't even a fight because Luffy couldn't even land a hit. Now the story presented a dilemma for Luffy, how could he win in that situation? He got it right the second fight but was still messing around as always, and then he finally got serious before finally beating Crocodile.
If the impact of Luffy's "dying" was lost since you're a new viewer for a long series, that's fine. Anyone would realize he would get back up later either way. The point was what he would do when his usual strategy doesn't work anymore? I noticed that the two of you are either oversimplifying or overthinking something, which is fine when theorizing in general. The problem lies when you still get something wrong and then contradict your point in the end.
i got literal chills when carson mentioned a sun god wow
Great review as always 😁💖
their thought about the sun god made me rolling lol
It's crazy to think that a channel can love G8 so much but then other channel (Double Dragon) completely hated this filler arc. One of the guys made a shirt "Everything is great but G8"
Really they made a tshirt just to flame G8 😂? To be fair, most op communities are always hyping G8.
@@franzmikolan4109 That was the exact reason why they hated so much. They probably wouldn't like anyway but those dumbasses hyped this shit so much that when they didn't like it it actually made them hated it
Those bums
The issue with Double Dragon is that Lycan lacks critical thinking, storytelling skills, and a sense of fun. He even mocks Amenz for laughing or showing emotions@@deyvsonandrade1939
Please upload this gold in some audio platform. I would love to listen to it in the car or while washing dishes
1:20:10 - you can tell those people that Oda would not be offended because he actually had Jonathan cameo later on because of how much he enjoyed the arc.
Jonathan doesn't do anything, no lines or anything, so I don't think this is a spoiler. He just appears in the shot on two separate occasions, sort of a 'Where's Waldo' thing. Hopefully you find him.
Oda is goated
MAN I LOVE YOUR INTROS XD
That intermission is fire! Petition to implement in future videos 🤌
great video, loved your ideas, hope you can keep getting fun with this show
I think they gonna love Water 7 Saga and Marineford for sure.
Even though you are new to One Piece your discussion are still super interesting and bring a complete new perspective.
On the topic of Alabasta and what dialog/message is in defeating Crocodile, I think there's a little more there than the simple evil vs good paradigm. To me, there's at least one other major idea that Crocodile embodies, which Luffy refutes by defeating him. That ideals without the power to back them up are useless.
This is best illustrated in his interactions with Vivi and Tashigi. When he's about to drop Vivi from the palace roof, he mocks her for sticking to her ideals and even states that adhering to them vehemently actually resulted in more deaths than necessary. Similarly, when confronting Tashigi (who was lying helplessly on the ground after Robin broke her leg) he tells her that "losers can't speak of justice, that's the kind of Sea we're in".
Even after Crocodile is defeated, his words are still stuck in Tashigi's head and we see in her frustration that they are somewhat vindicated, she didn't follow her own justice because she lacked the power to do anything but help the pirates, it wasn't her choice but her only option.
What is Crocodile's stated goal? We learn that his ultimate reason for taking over Alabasta is to find the ancient weapon Pluton, but that's not his end goal, he says he needs the power of Pluton to fight the World Government so he can create his own country. His entire plan was nicknamed project Utopia for a reason, I think he genuinely wants to create one, and believes he needs the power of Pluton to do so, and he's willing to take whatever means to achieve that.
Clearly, the audience knows that any "Utopia" that Crocodile creates won't actually be one, it will simply be another military state, but I think it's indicative of how lofty his goal actually is to justify needing that level of power, and implies that in the past Crocodile had his dreams crushed in the face of overwhelming power when he was a rookie pirate. Which is reflected in his dialog with Luffy during their final fight when Luffy announces he will be the next King of the Pirates. Crocodile tells him there are any number of rookies just like you in this Sea, and that the more you learn about this Sea, the less you'll be able to spout off about such dreams.
Anyway, great discussion and I can't wait to see how you enjoy what's coming next.
One thing you will learn in one piece is that information is almost like a 1 way mirror. It seems so mysterious and hidden until you learn it, and then it’s retconned into being widespread information.
The 2 main examples you’ve seen so far being the grand line/devil fruit info being basically nonexistent in the east blue when tons of characters know the info (and the news describes everything going on there) and how Enel seemed so mysterious yet gan fall knew he was a dude from Birka with a lightning logia and just didn’t say anything.
The show does this a lot. Many other characters and things you only half understand come out to be basic info
They don't have info
I never felt like Luffy was overpowered in the first half of one piece (except the first few small time villains). He literally only wins through gimmicks and sheer willpower, most of his opponents are much stronger than him tbh. He's overpowered now in the story but there are still people WAAY stronger
Yeah. Luffy is kinda overpowered in the first half but as the story goes, there are some stronger opponents/enemies that are on different level and SPOILERS:
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Sabaody and Marineford arc are like the test for the main protagonist
Love the transitions ❤
I dont care what anyone says, Skypiea is still in my top 3 arcs for multiple reasons, and this is excluding how it gets more relevant as the show progresses. As a standalone arc, it has many things: Pure adventure in a wonderous destination, deep lore of the land (Noland's backstory shreds me to pieces), S tier One Piece humor, a villain that has terrifying abilities and is competent (minus funny haha face), great art, and many great fights.
I love rewatching it all the time. I never really understood why people say it has bad pacing in the anime, granted I've never read Skypiea to compare it. The only part that felt even remotely dragged out was Luffy in the snake. I didn't really mind it since many other things were happening that were of more importance. Also side note, Eneru still technically "won" since he left to where he wanted to go anyway. He would be an absolute monster if he decided to train for a while and then come back lol
If Eneru becomes relevant again, no one has any excuse to skip this arc ever again.
They’re so close to peak lvl one piece
It just ocured to me that a certain someone might have been the one to create Skypia. They have music in common and a island in the sky is pretty creative.
To understand the Will of D more clearly, you have to take a look at the best example here. Take a deeper look at Con D. Oriano..
oh my god. your thoughts on what you want to come mext in the story just make me soooo excited for you to get to the next few arcs holy shit i cant waittttt!!!
Skypiea skippers mostly complain about the pacing which i agree is horrendous
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I hope someday when you get further into the story you'll try to actually read it
The experience was night and day for me and i already loved Skypiea in the anime lol
To be fair, all op anime episodes are all bad of pacing cause it's weekly. I'm not complaining about it but saying the truth.
@@franzmikolan4109 Being weekly or not does not change anything about the pacing. You still have to sit through 20 minutes of almost nothing. The manga is weekly too, and reading the Skypiea arc in the manga is an absolute blast.
I genuinely love the way you guys breakdown the arcs with your hyper critical analysis you dont see much of it from first time watchers its almost like you’ve seen the show a couple of times alr🤣dont stop them f thr haters!
I never understood the skipping Skypiea claims because the arc as a whole has been set up to a point whereby anyone can deduct that it's not going to be a filler. You even had canon characters like Blackbeard in Jaya talking about Skypiea.
Originally I had thought it was a hyperbolic claim made by fans due to how long the arc was. I didn't think people actually skipped it😭
This is probably the only arc were up until a few years ago people could boldly claim they skipped it. You have no idea how much important this arc is and you won't understand it until you catch up. By my estimate you need 3 - 4 years to catch up. Oda would likely try to finish One Piece in 3 years so it's likely it would finish within 4 years. Make sure you catch up before the show ends because manga is only 30+ chapters ahead of anime.
Love the interlude thingy
41:07 I can't belive oda uses a third secret option you will NOT believe!! (in ad voice)
can u tell me what ur referring to
My god this episode, like Skypiea, is gonna age like fine wine.
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Idk I was just a kid watching one piece I was never trying to compare. it was all just in my feels thinking of what will happen next week. being older and watching it is wild for me too see from you guys and another reaction. love to see the difference
NICE ONE!
Oda is a very contemplative and careful writer.
One common thing you'll see all through One Piece is that he'll introduce an idea or theme in the story early. As a testing bed.
Then he'll refine it for when he actually wants to use it in a major way.
A great example of this is Koza and Wiper.
lol I love these because they always want more and more is right there waiting for them! lol
Actually this arc matters a lot, but we just did not know how much at the time.
great intermission hahaha
I hope g-8 is a movie special, and they finally reveal who's responsible for the arc by having them involved in the movie
Other than the anime's pacing, I think most of the flaws it the early arcs will be beautifully explained, way after you've forgotten about them😅
Behold Lindsay!! Queen of the intros!!!! 😅😅😅
Monkey Destiny Luffy.... w Carson with the most hot take hot take ever #hilarious #goldestinyroger #confirmed
14:40 that was not elbaf island, that was little garden. the island that the giants are from is called elbaf which we havent been to yet
Right, yes thank you
I think Lindsay was just drawing a blank
(Btw I was so sure elbaf was gonna be at the top of the beanstalk before we actually SAW the bell up there…)
@@BOLDcastOnePiece Yeah I had a feeling she was drawing a blank since she called it little garden in the later parts. and thats a fair assumption to make,
just a fun fact tho: elbaf spelled backwards is fable. do whatever you want with that information lol
it would be funny if elbaf was ontop of the beanstalk, cos how on earth would dorry and broggy even make it from there lol. at this point in the story (where you guys are at right now) all we know about elbaf is that dorry and broggy are from there, and since they are giants and viking like its fair to assume there are others like them too on that island
@@caspervstheworldOda was inspired by Vikings
@@royalfun1031 yeah i know about that
dont worry about it it was the perfect intro xD
To me, Everything until this point is basically prologue. It’s all decent with numerous high points and moments. From here on out just after foxy is where one piece truly begins to take off
Oda really went on exploration with Skypiea..which had Noland the explorer as well.
This arc certainly requires a little bit patience, pacing is a problem fortunately the backstory of nolan and shandians picks it back up, people who skip this arc miss some key info then in future there wtf is happening, but people who didn't skipped this arc understands things happen ing in future ❤
i completely agree about the devil fruit idea vs skypiea's technology.
i keep saying this everywhere, but i find it real interesting that JoJo Part 6 Stone Ocean, Hunter x Hunter's Greed Island, & Skypiea were all published around the same time & all of them have verrrry similar reception for each respective fandom.
Experimental
i haven't fully read the manga edition of the arc yet - but, for the anime, i feel that everything to do with the crow boat & then the four priests dragged a bunch. from what i've seen so far in the manga version of skypiea - Oda kinda had an art evolution with some very clean drawings which i do not sense in the anime here.
All of these conditions is what gets me more & more hyped for the anime remaking Skypiea & the Live-Action series covering it.
Excuse me, Lindsay's intro was perfect 🍿
Live action Skypea will be the biggest test of this series, not only bc of the technological production they'll have to do but also bc its one of the weaker arcs of OP, many ppl drop the anime bc of Skypea. They'll have to make some changes to make it more interesting and more relevant to the main story than the anime. Imo they should advance things that happen way way ahead here like they did with Garp.
Many purists hate these changes but a series with the budget of OP cant have one bad performing season or else Netflix will cut it. It would be a shame if Skypea is the reason OP gets canceled, specially bc its the precursor to what is IMO the best OP saga. If the live action survives Skypea and gets green lit to adapt Water 7 saga im confident in saying OP has the potential to reach the status of other legendary series like Breaking Bad or GOT
57:59 also we know that ace mentioned in episode 95 that blackbeard killed his crewmate while being on whitebeards ship, and ace is going after him. which gives more insight to his character
Yeah we remember that, but I’m trying not to apply morality to this show because Robin is our best friend and she is responsible for killing hundreds (at least, more likely thousands) of innocent people in alabasta and other places.
Black beard is technically different because betrayal amongst comrades is a serious sin, but so is killing families for your own research and personal gain. So if we’re going to talk about good/evil, there’s a few uncomfortable conversations we need to have
Hence why I’m being cautious with how I talk about Blackbeard.
@@BOLDcastOnePiece hmm thats a fair take
@@BOLDcastOnePiece better keep it that way
Morality is very mixed and flawed for a lot of characters in op
@@royalfun1031not flawed at all, spoiler:
morality in op is mixed which is exactly why its not flawed, it has nuance like in real life. Doflamingo does a whole monologue explaining it.
@@EmpteeBluffsthat's what I meant
Skypia Arc and another future Arc similar to this has a lot of lore, story build ups but suffers the same bad TOEI pacing
You guyz are almost halfway through the first half of the grand line
You can tell from the beginning that lighting was very intentional
You might don't know bit first word in the skypiea was "heso" it means bellybutton
This has something to do with Raijen the god of thunder . He is the one causing the thunder in a storm and is said that he eats children's bellybutton, if one is exposed, he might swoop down and devour the child
Also kami means God & kaminari means thunder
So if Enel said I'm Kami it means I'm god or I'm thunder, Oda loves puns, he uses them a lot