EP 151: A Whistleblower Surgeon Speaks Out with Dr. Eithan Haim
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- With such a scarcity of voices from the surgical community chiming in on about their insights and reflections on gender-affirming care, Sasha and Stella eagerly welcome Dr. Eithan Haim to share his compelling perspective on his experiences and observations at a leading pediatric hospital in the United States.
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This channel needs way more views. Such great work.
Yes! Lets all be sure to watch it again! 🐿
Thank you Stella, Sasha, and Dr. Haim! There are many of us here to support your work! ❤
As a behavioral therapist this brings me sadness, anger and hope.
Thank you for watching. I hope the hope can overcome the sadness and anger.
When Sasha said, “better than human,” it reminded me of Aldous Huxleys book, “A Brave New World.” We are definitely teetering between Orwell and Huxley’s ideas at this very moment.
Definitely Orwellian. It’s scary
Thank you, Eithan, for standing up for children.
Another of your brilliant conversations. Thank you so much. There is hope and brave people out there after all!
❤❤❤Excellent interview with this principled, courageous man. Thank you!
What a wonderful person! He and his wife really restore my faith in human nature.😄
Thank you for listening. It really means a lot!
I saw this guy on the Dad Saves America podcast, we need more Doctors like him.
Do doctors still have to swear an oath to do no harm? If so, a lot of them have broken that oath and should face the consequences of doing so.
At the Nuremberg Trials in 1947, seven doctors were hanged for performing medical and surgical procedures on people without their *informed* consent.
@@marieparker3822 I was thinking more along the lines of having their licenses revoked...
"Oaths" and personal integrity are founded upon a moral foundation. This is meaningless in a world where profit is the point of everything and "health" is just a marketplace.
Morality and bodily integrity are such old fashioned ideas.
@@AndyJarman Doctors are held to very high ethical standards. They are just as likely to receive discipline or loss of license over ethics as they are over incompetence. Maybe even more so because one often leads to the other.
That's not the issue. It's the lack of informed consent and the fact that these were not consenting adults. The argument is that children can't give informed consent because they aren't legal adults and they don't understand the consequences of choosing to transition.
If the issue was "do no harm" there is an argument that cosmetic surgery should be banned. I don't agree with that. I think if an adult of sound mind wants to have cosmetic work they have the right to do so as long as they give informed consent.
Also the cosmetic surgeons are in the best position to make determinations on whether or not they should do those cosmetic surgery on adults. Not the state. And I'm not in favor of banning cosmetic surgery outright.
59:34 it’s a miscalculation not just for surgeon’s but for every profession. We need to all be highlighting the harms of this ideology.
There will be so many future lawsuits
Let's hope so.
God bless this wonderful man and his wife. As a psychological intern nearing the end of my doctoral program, I think I speak for many of us in the healing profession who are sick and tired of the subtle threats and stifling atmosphere of self-censorship when it comes to this topic.
This was such an important conversation from a channel with incredible content.
I do think the analogy with street drugs is valid. Saying puberty blockers are reversible feels a bit like saying heroin or fentanyl is reversible.
Except no one is prescribing those to children in order to prevent them from going through puberty for aesthetic "benefits" which will then make society accept them better in their delusion. Which is of course nonsense.
It's more like "heroin chic" for autistic kids with mental health issues. And then you remove vital organs.
I regularly have this overwhelming feeling that we're living in a dystopian scifi film. I've listened to the proponents of this madness say with their own words they're in favour of "transitioning" non-verbal autistic children who have been proven to not be able to distinguish between male and female bodies (in terms of mental capacity).
Why are these people going unpunished while the whistleblowers get hounded out of jobs?
Thank you for picking that up. I think it's such an appropriate comparison for this situation.
@@Dr.EithanHaim Please continue speaking out because I think average people listening to you will be shocked and immediately reviled, their intuition will be, this is wrong.
They will also have to confront the fact that you're in a professional position where what you are saying can't easily be handwaved as "right-wing" or "bigoted" or invented etc.
For viewers of this channel, while shocking, this story is not unexpected, we've seen similar stories about the Tavistock although arguably less extreme. I hope you manage to get this story into the mainstream (unfortunately I feel like that will be hard on left-leaning channels, I say this as someone "homeless left")so that cowardly politicians are forced to deal with the fact this isn't a left/right issue or a pro v anti-trans issues it is just simply wrong to do these surgeries and "treatments".
The major issue I have in general is getting people to look at what is actually happening. It sometimes feels impossible to get someone defending males in women's spaces to look at crime stats. It sometimes feels impossible to get someone defending affirmative care to look at the flawed original study or the systematic reviews of evidence. It regularly feels impossible to get anyone chanting mantras about trans women or trans kids to think at all.
I think your story might cut through all that because you're effectively a highly credible witness to a crime against children, someone knowledgeable about a field who can quickly respond to questions and yet not an elite or an academic far away from what is happening on the ground. I wish you the best of luck with everything, I've seen you speak twice in long form interviews and both times you came across as sincere, caring, clear, able to say when you can't answer a question or have limited knowledge and with a great deal of moral integrity at all times. Sorry, I wrote too much. Hope you have a great year, it will be tough but I think it will be worth it.
Mutilating healthy young bodies for profit is the lowest of low.
I feel like the tide is turning now.
There is hope with more medical staff speak out.
Thank you!
Investigate routine non-therapeutic circumcision of healthy boys in the US. This has been routine for more than a century. First Do No Harm is ironic if you're one of those males.
What an incredibly courageous man! Not all heros wear capes!
Wow! amazing interview! Thanks so much to you both and to Dr Haim for speaking out. . Hopefully more doctors will follow his lead…
Great podcast, this information needs to be brought to light!
I really enjoyed this episode! Great to hear from a surgeon.
We have been here before. We are doing it again now.
This doctor is a real hero
_"Medicine isn't driven by science, it's driven by MORALITY."_ Bravo👏! _"Driven by a basic acknowledgement of human dignity."_ _"The goal of our profession is the human in front of us."_ There's nothing more to add here, these words are golden! I come from family of doctors, many of them have already passed away (the older generations). They would be proud hearing this! It brings back hope for the medical profession.
Sure, science and development is obviously important, but the _fundament_ is morality and human dignity. 👏
Do no harm
I have spoken with someone with intimate professional knowledge of surgery. They described surgeons are swarming to train in gender surgery because it is so lucrative and growing. They are giddy with excitement at developing even more radical and innovative procedures. They compete with each other for pushing the envelope. They take pictures of procedures without consent so they can brag to each other. They volunteer, yes volunteer, to do surgeries so they can get practice and experiment. They do not hold themselves accountable.
So disturbing
Disgusting.
Surgeons are indeed a rare breed
42:16 The discussion here is why surgeons would perform these procedures on children. Ethan speaks about the ideological intent, and the aim to create something new, to play god. This whole interview is very enlightening, this part especially so for me.
Their egos. They are competitive and want to be known for being able to do crazy procedures and on younger patients.
The competition part of it is truly a key factor with this issue. It's a trait that is inherent in the surgeon but something we must temper with prudence. @@monicabhagwan5594
Thank you so much for your work! ❤
His discussion of morality in relation to his role as a doctor is my takeaway. Why is this not a focus anymore? I remember when medical ethics were discussed years ago-are there any medical ethicists still practicing?
Perhaps it is due to the funding model regarding the educational institutions and hospitals and where the funding for those places are coming from?
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
First they came for the Communists
I am 17 minutes in, I have been following these issues for years, and this story is shocking. back to the video...
That is so true about the street drug analogy. There is a study that 80% of kids will grow out of it by 18 and an additional 15% by age 25. Yet 0% grow out of it once they start puberty blockers!
If S&S were Ninja Turtles, Sasha would be Leonardo and Stella would be Michelangelo. 🤙🍕Cowabunga dude!🛹🤘
The comment I didn't know I needed. Radical.
Minute 44 so powerful!
Another good episode. This podcast is one of the essential resources for those trying to find out about youth gender care in the United States. This doctor sounds like a highly ethical person.
Am just wondering, did he have to appear on Laura Ingraham's show? 😜
Liberal shows won't platform gender critical beliefs, so getting the info out there sometimes makes for strange bedfellows.
He seems like a quite conservative guy, could be he was happy to be there.
Higher % narcissism in surgeons...(spoken as a RN).
100% truth.
They can be huge butt heads who hate to be questioned.
And psychopathy
What an amazing guy
Frankly, they forgot a long long time ago. Maybe, maybe not, after everyone forgot the meaning of the term and at some point it became nearly a badge of mandatory authority like everything else. "Doctors" haven't been the proper concept of medical doctors for several decades at best, likely the century or more.
With that, and more related to the topic at hand with medicine, is the steady contortion of "harm" among all other terms; individualist help and aid becoming "harm," that the institutionalized industries book of gospel is the answer always ("one-size fits all"), so on.
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_For me, this is repeated vindication from being considered crazy because all that was never possible, not possible for "doctors" to not be doctors, on and on. ... I'd of preferred to be crazy..._
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 heroes❤
Thank you for the reccomendation re:part three of Hannah Arnts essay on totalitarianism
Your mind will be blown. I expect you to reply to this comment once you finish reading and tell me how right I was lol. Enjoy the read though.
What is the author named at the end - Part 3 ? Have googled and cannot find her..... Hanna Eron?
Hannah Arendt
Hannah Arendt - The Origin of Totalitarianism. You can skip ahead to part 3. The first two parts are kind of snoozers/overly academic.
Arendt.
This trans insanity is so pervasive in today’s society that it is everywhere. In an interview for a doctoral program in public health at a prestigious university I was asked about my pronouns and when I refused to answer and said I don’t do that the mood of the interviewer changed. Needless to say I didn’t get in. I don’t know if that was part of the reason but the mood change was a bog flag for me. This doctor took the Hippocratic oath to heart as it should be.
Well you are being combative with an interviewer, which is the wrong time, wrong person and wrong place. So they aren't going to hire you.
There is a better way to show opposition to this without being combative with everyone and in every situation.
@@9395gb what do you suggest?
@Gingerblaze Honestly, I would have answered the question based on my biological sex and I would be respectful and polite. I would have focused on getting that job first if you are passionate about healthcare and doing the right thing. The interview wasn't the place to "show out" or act political.
Then, when I got the job, I would have been making changes from within. Again I would have done it in a respectful way but I would use reason and logic. This person could have done that in their doctoral program by doing a dissertation on this topic. Or through their actual work while in the doctoral program.
You can't make changes until you are in a position of power or on "the inside." And you can only make changes by being calm, professional, reasonably and logical. Being combative is a dumb tactic. This person failed because they had an opportunity to get into a university and tried to play petty office politics instead of focusing on their major purpose.
@@9395gbgood luck with that. It doesn’t work that way, you get struggle sessioned and hounded out. This person dodged a bullet wasting their time in a program they would ultimately have had to leave.
It is so creepy to be asked pronouns. Gosh I am glad I am close to retirement. I couldn't pretend it was okay to start a conversation that way. Your ideology was just jammed into my life. Wrong. Don't expect the entire culture to yield to this insanity.
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Everyone here, you aren't alone. We are dealing with something that is clearly mad and evil. I don't know what other word to use, I'm not religious but bringing this type of harm to children is evil.
Sorry to make this trite aside, but Sasha's hair is very Jane Austen 👍
Seriously I think this huge medical scandal is enabled by a hatred of these youngsters. Otherwise I can't understand why these operations would take place
It’s like CIA American.
I don't understand. Medecine can intervene upon sex, but not gender. Why are you so confused ?
Here after Dr. Haim was federally indicted by Crooked Joe.
No it’s not Soviet. It’s American.
Why is that lady shouting? So annoying
OK, bro, enough with the histrionics. Two people from HHS showed up at your door on your graduation. You're a big boy, and you're a surgeon, so tell them you won't speak to them without a lawyer and go along with your day. They weren't goons. FBI agents would have been goons. Texas Rangers would have been goons. The local sheriffs or police would be goons. And even if they were, as your lawyer wife knows oh so well, they don't have the right to make you speak with them.
Worst case scenario, you win a five- or six-figure settlement or judgment against the federal government for whistleblower intimidation. Big deal.
If it were the Soviet Union, you would have been disappeared, and your family might be too.
Yeah he's defintely overreacting and he is too political.
He should just focus on the issue at hand, which was the medical transition of children and ending the practice.
Instead, he sounds like a conspiracy fanatic and like he has a political agenda. I'm sick of the conservative and liberal buzz words (ie leftist, woke, MAGA etc) being used in these stories.
It's why you can't get bipartisan support to end child transition and protect women's rights in the U.S....making the issue political instead of scientific and fact-based.
It is goonish behaviour. It is clear intimidation showing up so quickly like that.
@gomerspile5091 no it's not. It's typical for an investigation. He didn't have to answer if he didn't want to or spoken to his lawyer.
It sounds like someone at his own hospital or possibly his own patient filed a complaint against him for misconduct. The government generally has no choice but to investigate complaints like that.
I'm not saying he did something wrong, but I do think he's overreacting to the investigation.
How many times did he say "on the day of my graduation"?
Bad argument. Still doesn't make it right.
This coversation has veered into such a conservative view of medicine. This kind of morality imposed on medicine is exactly what is being used to justify taking away a woman's right to choose. I strongly suspect that this man would have denied my hysterectomy on principle despite it being my body.
I assume by the way you write that your hysterectomy wasn't nessessary but something you wanted done.
Yes you're right. You have no right to have people assisting you in bodily harm or modification that is not nessessary. For instance you can't walk into a hospital and tell them to cut off your arm for no reason.
Does this create gray areas? Yes it does. Just look at the laws about tattoos. Some places you can get facial tattoos. Some you can't. Also the question of assisted suicide that puts people with severe disabilites in a problem.
You (like many other young ppl) have been programmed to think conservative = evil. You're "right to choose" is just a right to deny responsibility. You should watch Empty Love - give lauren southern's new documentary a chance. You need both sides of the argument to evaluate. Freedom is not just facilitating degeneracy.
So, all cosmetic surgery should be illegal? I did have a medical reason for uterine surgery. But, I could have opted for another attempt to fix the problem instead of removing it altogether. I also could have also opted to continue living with pain, anemia, and excessive bleeding. As long as I didn't try to have children, it wasn't life threatening -- just miserable.
@@bridgetteparker7719Can you explain which part of the conversation led you to think he would prevent you from having a hysterectomy? I'm not sure which part you characterize as "conservative" or what you mean in a medical context?
I find the way hysterectomies are offered to young women in the gender clinics to be completely wreckless. Obviously yours is a very different situation. But presumably you were told about a number of drawbacks and made a decision that was more informed than the young trans community?
I'm not the person you were speaking to but I find it very difficult to justify any cosmetic surgery. It's clear to me that it's a net negative.
@@bridgetteparker7719 Actually a lot of cosmetic surgery is illegal. I thought about mentioning that and apparantly I should have.
As all medical procedures cosmetic surgery has to be approved. A lot don't get approved. A lot of countries has a limit as how big ones breasts can be. Also there can be demands of psychic evaluation along with some procedures.
It sounds like you had a legitimate reason for the surgery. Why do you suspect the interviewee to be against helping you with your problem?
Haim shared the private medical records of children with a conservative thinktank, he should be prosecuted.
It doesn't mean he didn't redact all identifying information about the patients.
@@jcimsn8464He had the legal right to view the private medical records of children and then redact those records?
Hosts have a bad habit of making the show about them selves instead of focusing in the guest. 😢😢😢