Although thick foam looks good, it does not mean the runnier foam is not doing it's job. After all isn't the job of the foam, to encapsulate the dirt and bring it down. Thus having a better contact wash, with less dirt on the vehicle. 🤔 Great series on the different soaps, will continue watching 👀 to see who is the winner, thanks for taking the time to do this Josh.👏👍
I love the fact that you are giving the price point most just give which one is the best without knowing price. And with the prices for everything being what they are saving money on a product that is close to the more expensive one but is less expensive may work for more budgets. Keep up the good work.
For a regular bucket wash method, It's so hard to beat Carpro Reset. It's just works so well. It's just gotten so expensive. I was paying $23 a bottle. Now it's $34. That's crazy for soap
The way the Tutle Wax Ice Snow Foam stuck to that panel was impressive and unique, I wish you would have made that into your final with the 1.1mm Orifice
I picked up a bottle of the Car Glo Auto Gloss and their California Glo...Dude that California Glo is amazing!!! Thick foam like the auto gloss but much brighter shine.
Thanks for your videos. For your viewers, I have been cleaning cars for over 45 years, do not over think your your foam soap. If I doing a full maintenance wash on a uncoated ceramic car, I use whatever car shampoo I am using at the time, usually a non PH soap. If car has ceramic coating I use my non PH Soap along with a ceramic infused ceramic wash/wax soap, don't over complicate it. You can find very good non PH soaps for under $20.00 for a gallon. KISS , "Keep It Simple Stupid"
@@josefserf5469 No, I like to buy inexpensive car shampoos, such as Meguiars Gold Class or a Malco Shampoo, cost about $15.00 per gallon. If the car has SIO2 on it, I use TW Hybrid Wash/Wax.
@@josefserf5469 Or, go to your local Walmart & buy whatever the cheapest shampoo or what is on sale. They usually have Turtle Wax, Meguiars, Armor All, Blue Coral, etc. on their shelves. You may have to check the manufacturer to see which shampoos are PH neutral? But most of the time I use a rinseless wash called Optimum No Rinse, (ONR). Available on Amazon. I can wash my car about 500 times, or more for about $20.00, WOW!
This has been a really interesting series, esp. thx for the inclusion of PH levels of the various soaps. It would be interesting to see the top candidates versus cost -- you know, $44 versus $5 a gallon. Not exactly a non-issue these days.
So I used CarPro Rest for the first time today, it’s been sitting in my garage since I’ve bought it being I’ve been using Koch Chemie GSF to maintain my car (I’m in the Central Valley, not to far from SD). CarPro Rest is pretty awesome! Definitely get a “cleaner” wash it seems & feels. Will definitely be my go to with GSF for my bucket wash, or vice versa. Like you said, not a rich lather of foam as some (GSF as an example) so I added a little more & seemed to thicken it up. I added 3oz to 800ml.
I've read several articles on the Internet that there are other options of soap over the pricer automotive soaps. The other options of are to use liquid hand, shampoos, dishwashing or laundry soaps. Have you ever heard, read or experienced these other options? The reasonings are supposedly if it's safe to use for humans, most definitely it is safe for other washing uses. Thank you.
Another solid video. Thanks for time you spend do the homework. Any idea how you plan to test and quantify how well these soaps clean? Appreciate the product links provided. Just ordered the pressure gauge! 👍
Love how you did this comparison. I only have a few questions because I’ve done my own comparison tests. So I’m extra curious if you have any personal results with : 1. I did notice a significant difference when I used warmer water. I think I remember Chemical guys actually put that in the instructions I believe. 2. Isn’t it going to run down faster the cleaner it gets or if there is more wax products in the previous soaps? Or is the run down faster mean it’s cleaning fast ? Does the foam stay on longer if it’s dirtier?
I bought the falters day set you put together with maxshine and that ultra foaming wash in the maxshine foam master gives you shaving cream thick foam. It’s awesome
I'd love to see a comparason of Poorboy's World super foam soap, given how good their other stuff makes suds I can easily see it doing REALLY well. Also +1 for follow the manufacturer mix ratio, some of these really benefit from actually being diluted a lot more.
Just now seeing this series in Nov. 2022. Very interesting, but I keep wishing you would show the other side of the vehicle so we could see how much change after all these tests.
It’s amazing how few people know how to wash a car. 1. You don’t start by rinsing a car w water. Rather, You lather is w soap. 2.) you don’t spend time washing soap off. You simply wet the car and move. Allow water to break down the foam/suds… and come back to rinse! Not rinse from top to bottom. All you did was waste water/time!
I think you mean you'll keep things consistent, not fair. Fair, to me, is using as directed, that is, as it is intended. Not doing so changes the results. For example should less product be used it may not foam enough.
Would love if you could show practical results instead of superficial foaming results. The amount of foaming doesn't matter that much if you can't visually demonstrate what it's doing to the surface (encapsulating dirt). Until you can show this, these foaming tests are only hypothetical in terms of how much dirt each one can remove. I would do a test like this: on the back of the car where it tends to get really dirty, tape it in half. Then spray one side with one foam and the other side with another foam. Allow a few mins to dwell and rinse both off. Then take one swipe with a microfiber towel soaked in rinseless wash on each side and check the towel to visually see how much dirt is left on the surface. I would also try this with no foam on one side (rince only) vs another with the foam side. Or compare with one side with a foam gun vs the other side with a foam cannon.
Price per ounce isn't really a good comparison. If that Reset stuff is so highly concentrated, it may end up being cheaper per usable diluted ounce. So we've have to multiply the ounces in the bottle by it's dilution factor ( think he said 500:1) and then use that number of ounces to calculate price per ounce.
Yep, that's what it comes with. It's a nice cannon at a good price if you have a Menard's close. It's one of the few (TBH I haven't found another one yet) that has ounce measurements on the bottle and they are fairly accurate too. It's defiantly worth the sub $30.00 dollar price I think.
Josh I'm a new subscriber here and forgive me if this has already been asked, I'm also here in SD and as you know the baking hot summer and road grim can really be hard on cars. I'm about to do a ceramic coat on my car, so my question is do you need to use a foam made for ceramic coatings? IF so which would you recommend?
great video, amazing chanel love the work you do, i do have a question tho. What is your prefered drying method? maybe i missed this video but would be interested if you do contact or contactkess drying?
Please use 2 ounces for all tests regardless of manufacture specification. It can only be comparable if all tests are using the exact same solution amount per brand. Manufactures stating 1 ounce or 3 ounces or more does not matter. All manufacturers will exaggerate or have different testing methods to reach their conclusion. Not all cars get what the manufacturers state for their car's MPG and I'm sure you and everyone reading this is aware of that.
Just from reading around forums, yes mixing your soap with either deionized or distilled water will make better foam. Using DI or distilled is often suggested to people with hard water for better foaming.
To keep it nice and fare if 1 soap cost 10x more then the other the to keep the price equal you should use 10x the soap so you end up paying the same. You are basically saying the more money like Adam’s ($59.00) you’ll get more foam.
sir...i have pressure washer 135 bar max... what an good size of nozzle tip thats is good for my pressure washer... its 1.1 too or what size.... sorry that i english not good but hope u mean it...thank you sir....🙏🙏
You don't say what the rated flow of your pressure washer is, but 135 bar is roughly equivalent to 1900 psi. Based on similar pressure washers perhaps you can experiment with different nozzle tips to maximize flow. Probably 2.5 or 3.0 gpm tips would be best. But you have to try different ones to know for sure. If you are talking about a foam cannon you should do what Josh does and use either a 1.25 mm orifice or 1.1 mm orifice to find out which one foams the best. Good luck.
@@josefserf5469 yes sir... im using lakoni daytona 100m... its 6L per minute... for sure i already order that 1.1 and 1.25 orifice...hopefully its works either 1.1 or 1.25...thank you so much sir for the advice...once again im sorry that my english so bad... 🙏😁
@@ruddykurniawan776 Six liters per minute is roughly 1.5 to 1.6 gallons per minute. The brand of the pressure washer you have is unknown over here, but that does not matter because the specifications claimed by pressure washer manufacturers tend to be exaggerated. Assuming though that they are true then try the 1.25 mm orifice in your foam cannon first. If you are using a proper soap made for foam cannons then the 1.25 mm orifice might just be good enough. Otherwise switch to the 1.1 mm orifice. Good luck. P.S. You do not have to be sorry for your English, it was good enough for me to understand. Best wishes from the USA.
Sorry but your test aren’t fair. Use the recommended on the label and not your arbitrary 2 oz. like the videos but really use what is recommended by the manufacturer
@@plusminus6357 Sorry I have to disagree here. Take for example - if you by weed killer for your yard and it says mix 4 oz per gallon and you are testing against other brands that say 2 oz per gallon. If you mix the 4oz brand with only 2 oz do you really think its going to be a fair comparison? No! It's recommended per their testing and creation of the product it's 4oz per gallon will provide best results. Use the manufacturer recommended and not what you want.
@@plusminus6357 It's not. Soaps like these are very highly engineered and using the right mix ratios makes a BIG difference in how they perform. If you look at the ratios for Optimum washes, they're like 1:128 and they will easily outperform something that has a 1:10 ratio. But mixing the Optimum soap at a lower ratio (more soap) doesn't make it work better. Following the intended use is key.
you're stuck on starting with 2oz........if you started with 1oz you would save product and everybody having to wait for you to do it anyway..................................
@@hartlanddetailer5670 WaxPlanet Eight Below or Ultimate, Ethos foam party, Lithium Double Tap, ONR, McKee's Rinseless, even Chemical Guys Honeydew all depends on the vehicle conditions or maintenance plan. Also, trying the wash chem 100 this weekend. If you want to strip a vehicle from waxes and sealants besides Surface Prep from Griot's Garage also you mix at the highest ratio the Turtle Wax or WaxPlanet Eight Below or their Ultimate. Surface Prep from Griot's Garage as well as Turtle Wax even Dawn can be used to strip waxes and sealants but I also use them to clean engine bay(I learned Griot's Garage surface prep this weekend from FAB so I put it here for engine bay too), with Dawn you can do it the cheapest way and extremely effective because it's my preferred one. Always used deionized water since at home have a water softener system.
Although thick foam looks good, it does not mean the runnier foam is not doing it's job. After all isn't the job of the foam, to encapsulate the dirt and bring it down. Thus having a better contact wash, with less dirt on the vehicle. 🤔
Great series on the different soaps, will continue watching 👀 to see who is the winner, thanks for taking the time to do this Josh.👏👍
I love the fact that you are giving the price point most just give which one is the best without knowing price. And with the prices for everything being what they are saving money on a product that is close to the more expensive one but is less expensive may work for more budgets. Keep up the good work.
For a regular bucket wash method, It's so hard to beat Carpro Reset. It's just works so well. It's just gotten so expensive. I was paying $23 a bottle. Now it's $34. That's crazy for soap
The way the Tutle Wax Ice Snow Foam stuck to that panel was impressive and unique, I wish you would have made that into your final with the 1.1mm Orifice
You should really do a video on a couple vacuums that are made for car detailing that would be cool
I picked up a bottle of the Car Glo Auto Gloss and their California Glo...Dude that California Glo is amazing!!! Thick foam like the auto gloss but much brighter shine.
I’m looking into getting Car Glo products. I stick to Adams shampoos and detail spray. What Car Glo items would you suggest?
Thanks for your videos. For your viewers, I have been cleaning cars for over 45 years, do not over think your your foam soap. If I doing a full maintenance wash on a uncoated ceramic car, I use whatever car shampoo I am using at the time, usually a non PH soap. If car has ceramic coating I use my non PH Soap along with a ceramic infused ceramic wash/wax soap, don't over complicate it. You can find very good non PH soaps for under $20.00 for a gallon. KISS , "Keep It Simple Stupid"
Are there any non-pH soaps that you prefer? Any recommendations would be helpful.
@@josefserf5469 No, I like to buy inexpensive car shampoos, such as Meguiars Gold Class or a Malco Shampoo, cost about $15.00 per gallon. If the car has SIO2 on it, I use TW Hybrid Wash/Wax.
@@hartlanddetailer5670 Thank you!
@@josefserf5469 Or, go to your local Walmart & buy whatever the cheapest shampoo or what is on sale. They usually have Turtle Wax, Meguiars, Armor All, Blue Coral, etc. on their shelves. You may have to check the manufacturer to see which shampoos are PH neutral? But most of the time I use a rinseless wash called Optimum No Rinse, (ONR). Available on Amazon. I can wash my car about 500 times, or more for about $20.00, WOW!
@@hartlanddetailer5670 Thank you again for the recommendations.
This has been a really interesting series, esp. thx for the inclusion of PH levels of the various soaps. It would be interesting to see the top candidates versus cost -- you know, $44 versus $5 a gallon. Not exactly a non-issue these days.
Great video, you should do a video with a dirty car to see which brands work the best removing dirt.
I’m planning on that!
So I used CarPro Rest for the first time today, it’s been sitting in my garage since I’ve bought it being I’ve been using Koch Chemie GSF to maintain my car (I’m in the Central Valley, not to far from SD). CarPro Rest is pretty awesome! Definitely get a “cleaner” wash it seems & feels. Will definitely be my go to with GSF for my bucket wash, or vice versa.
Like you said, not a rich lather of foam as some (GSF as an example) so I added a little more & seemed to thicken it up. I added 3oz to 800ml.
Gtechniq W4 contains a ph neutral degreaser. It's their "safe" decon wash soap. The "normal" maintenance wash soap without degreaser is Gtechniq Gwash
I've read several articles on the Internet that there are other options of soap over the pricer automotive soaps. The other options of are to use liquid hand, shampoos, dishwashing or laundry soaps. Have you ever heard, read or experienced these other options? The reasonings are supposedly if it's safe to use for humans, most definitely it is safe for other washing uses. Thank you.
Another solid video. Thanks for time you spend do the homework. Any idea how you plan to test and quantify how well these soaps clean? Appreciate the product links provided. Just ordered the pressure gauge! 👍
The test must prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that they are the best. And not just because they are a Brand name .
Now I gotta ask. When is the detail geek mega foam going to show up in the test lab?
Highly recommend trying the jaxwax cannon soap!!!
Try out Dirt Buster from Superior Detailing that’s a good soap as well.
Love how you did this comparison. I only have a few questions because I’ve done my own comparison tests. So I’m extra curious if you have any personal results with :
1.
I did notice a significant difference when I used warmer water. I think I remember Chemical guys actually put that in the instructions I believe.
2.
Isn’t it going to run down faster the cleaner it gets or if there is more wax products in the previous soaps?
Or is the run down faster mean it’s cleaning fast ?
Does the foam stay on longer if it’s dirtier?
I bought the falters day set you put together with maxshine and that ultra foaming wash in the maxshine foam master gives you shaving cream thick foam. It’s awesome
Once I switch out the orifice to 1.1 I imagine it’s going to be even better
yea thats a great foaming soap. That and adams mega foam get the most that ive found
I’ll definitely have to give that one a try. My main issue is with using a 3000psi pressure washer almost anything I try is just watery soap lmao
Thats the cleanest rightside suv on the planet as of 2 yrs ago
Car glo! Awesome products plus customer service is bad ass & well they are local to me 🤘🏼
I'd love to see a comparason of Poorboy's World super foam soap, given how good their other stuff makes suds I can easily see it doing REALLY well.
Also +1 for follow the manufacturer mix ratio, some of these really benefit from actually being diluted a lot more.
Do this test with all the chemical guys soaps in one video
Great video. The two finalists in this one look great. I may have to check out that place in SD!
That car panel is probably the cleanest surface in the world by now
Just now seeing this series in Nov. 2022. Very interesting, but I keep wishing you would show the other side of the vehicle so we could see how much change after all these tests.
This must be the cleanest right side of the car ever:)
You should do one of these tests between all the chemical guys soaps
I would love to see LIthium Double Tap and The Detail Firm Exterior Lather.
Really great video, thanks josh 👍😁
Can you test out the auto fanatic 007 snow foam 2.0? The blue liquid it foams even better than the Adams mega foam!
The auto fanatic is suppose to be awesome. I have some coming this week to try. 👌👌
Nice thicker foam~
Turtle Wax has discontinued the ICE Snow Foam so if you like it and you're out and about and see it ya better grab it.
I've watched all 3 videos so far in this series, I keep looking at those wheels and I sware they are subaru crosstreck rims lol
Or maybe tacoma
I think you should have done the other side too
Outstanding video brother. 👍
That has to be the cleanest car ever
Can we get a full paint correction video on that 4runner please 👍🏻
Would love to see the 1320 suds soap
Do the chemical guys extreme
That is going to be one clean vehicle on the passenger side
hey can I send you a produce form my local detail shop they make there own stuff I would like for you to review it
It’s amazing how few people know how to wash a car. 1. You don’t start by rinsing a car w water. Rather, You lather is w soap. 2.) you don’t spend time washing soap off. You simply wet the car and move. Allow water to break down the foam/suds… and come back to rinse! Not rinse from top to bottom. All you did was waste water/time!
Hes not washing cars bro
Your 1.1 orifice link is broken.
You should do best nozzle tip size for psi and GPM
It depends on the pressure washer!
I think you mean you'll keep things consistent, not fair. Fair, to me, is using as directed, that is, as it is intended. Not doing so changes the results. For example should less product be used it may not foam enough.
Forgot to add: thanks for doing this!
1-2 ounces on how much ml water on the tube?
Yooo that right side of that suv is gonna be clean 🧼 af! Gonna be looking like 2face. Lol
Would love if you could show practical results instead of superficial foaming results. The amount of foaming doesn't matter that much if you can't visually demonstrate what it's doing to the surface (encapsulating dirt). Until you can show this, these foaming tests are only hypothetical in terms of how much dirt each one can remove.
I would do a test like this: on the back of the car where it tends to get really dirty, tape it in half. Then spray one side with one foam and the other side with another foam. Allow a few mins to dwell and rinse both off. Then take one swipe with a microfiber towel soaked in rinseless wash on each side and check the towel to visually see how much dirt is left on the surface. I would also try this with no foam on one side (rince only) vs another with the foam side. Or compare with one side with a foam gun vs the other side with a foam cannon.
That’s a great idea on how to do it thanks!!
JOSH, try the one from Detail Firm on another test.
Price per ounce isn't really a good comparison. If that Reset stuff is so highly concentrated, it may end up being cheaper per usable diluted ounce. So we've have to multiply the ounces in the bottle by it's dilution factor ( think he said 500:1) and then use that number of ounces to calculate price per ounce.
Just got a nice electric pressure washer, and cannon.
New to the cannon spray Wash.
Any tips for the do's & don't are appreciated 👌
Put a 1.1 mm orfice on the foam cannon if it's under 2300 psi
The green tip seems much better when rinsing the soap off.
Can you test out the griots brilliant foam Cannon? From my testing it beats the pf22.2 on foam and comes with a 1.1 oriface already installed
No Pro Car Beauty ( white out), Surf City Garage, or Gyeon?
Just to be sure, tha Armor All foam cannon had the 1.25 orifice??
Yep, that's what it comes with. It's a nice cannon at a good price if you have a Menard's close. It's one of the few (TBH I haven't found another one yet) that has ounce measurements on the bottle and they are fairly accurate too. It's defiantly worth the sub $30.00 dollar price I think.
Godda try P&S soap too!
jay leno wash, p&s pearl, chemical guys maxi suds ii, and auto fanatic snow storm
Hey Joshv what tire dressing do you like if you use any at all?
Josh I'm a new subscriber here and forgive me if this has already been asked, I'm also here in SD and as you know the baking hot summer and road grim can really be hard on cars. I'm about to do a ceramic coat on my car, so my question is do you need to use a foam made for ceramic coatings? IF so which would you recommend?
You do not. Wash iron decontaminate clay. Polish. Panel wipe. Ceramic coat
can you do 3d super soap next
great video, amazing chanel love the work you do, i do have a question tho. What is your prefered drying method? maybe i missed this video but would be interested if you do contact or contactkess drying?
I can’t even find us except for Menards and it reads sold only and stores.
Which one?
@@imjoshv Oh yeah I forgot about that, the turtle wax one..lol
Please use 2 ounces for all tests regardless of manufacture specification. It can only be comparable if all tests are using the exact same solution amount per brand. Manufactures stating 1 ounce or 3 ounces or more does not matter. All manufacturers will exaggerate or have different testing methods to reach their conclusion. Not all cars get what the manufacturers state for their car's MPG and I'm sure you and everyone reading this is aware of that.
Please add 3Ds soap if you do another one. Thanks
Good suggestion!!
I live in the country and have hard water. Should I use deionized water in my cannon? Will it make better foam?
Just from reading around forums, yes mixing your soap with either deionized or distilled water will make better foam. Using DI or distilled is often suggested to people with hard water for better foaming.
To keep it nice and fare if 1 soap cost 10x more then the other the to keep the price equal you should use 10x the soap so you end up paying the same. You are basically saying the more money like Adam’s ($59.00) you’ll get more foam.
i want the car ur washing^^
is using the yellow or orange nozzle tip bad for paint ?
It’s a 15 degree so just don’t put it right up to the paint and you’re totally fine
sir...i have pressure washer 135 bar max... what an good size of nozzle tip thats is good for my pressure washer... its 1.1 too or what size.... sorry that i english not good but hope u mean it...thank you sir....🙏🙏
You don't say what the rated flow of your pressure washer is, but 135 bar is roughly equivalent to 1900 psi. Based on similar pressure washers perhaps you can experiment with different nozzle tips to maximize flow. Probably 2.5 or 3.0 gpm tips would be best. But you have to try different ones to know for sure. If you are talking about a foam cannon you should do what Josh does and use either a 1.25 mm orifice or 1.1 mm orifice to find out which one foams the best. Good luck.
@@josefserf5469 yes sir... im using lakoni daytona 100m... its 6L per minute... for sure i already order that 1.1 and 1.25 orifice...hopefully its works either 1.1 or 1.25...thank you so much sir for the advice...once again im sorry that my english so bad... 🙏😁
@@ruddykurniawan776 Six liters per minute is roughly 1.5 to 1.6 gallons per minute. The brand of the pressure washer you have is unknown over here, but that does not matter because the specifications claimed by pressure washer manufacturers tend to be exaggerated. Assuming though that they are true then try the 1.25 mm orifice in your foam cannon first. If you are using a proper soap made for foam cannons then the 1.25 mm orifice might just be good enough. Otherwise switch to the 1.1 mm orifice. Good luck. P.S. You do not have to be sorry for your English, it was good enough for me to understand. Best wishes from the USA.
@@josefserf5469 thank you so much sir...glad to know you....and have a wonderfull life too sir... ❤ from indonesian 🙏🙏
No bilt hamber auto foam in your review. Less foam but shifts the dirt.
would you be interested in my products to review?
Sorry but your test aren’t fair. Use the recommended on the label and not your arbitrary 2 oz. like the videos but really use what is recommended by the manufacturer
for me its fair. its easier to compare which is good for money.
@@plusminus6357 Sorry I have to disagree here. Take for example - if you by weed killer for your yard and it says mix 4 oz per gallon and you are testing against other brands that say 2 oz per gallon. If you mix the 4oz brand with only 2 oz do you really think its going to be a fair comparison? No! It's recommended per their testing and creation of the product it's 4oz per gallon will provide best results. Use the manufacturer recommended and not what you want.
@@plusminus6357 It's not. Soaps like these are very highly engineered and using the right mix ratios makes a BIG difference in how they perform. If you look at the ratios for Optimum washes, they're like 1:128 and they will easily outperform something that has a 1:10 ratio. But mixing the Optimum soap at a lower ratio (more soap) doesn't make it work better. Following the intended use is key.
@@mwiz100 yeah but that’s kind of cheating if your product needs more to work as good
I know one thing….THAT HAS TO BE THE CLEANEST TRUCK IN THE WORLD…..on one side 🤣🤣🤣
Played it twice. I lost the sound about 3 minutes in both times. Is it me, or the video?
Think it was you because I didn't have problems, but I could be wrong.
you're stuck on starting with 2oz........if you started with 1oz you would save product and everybody having to wait for you to do it anyway..................................
1st
HUMBERTO, What brand of non PH soap/foam do you use in your business?
@@hartlanddetailer5670 WaxPlanet Eight Below or Ultimate, Ethos foam party, Lithium Double Tap, ONR, McKee's Rinseless, even Chemical Guys Honeydew all depends on the vehicle conditions or maintenance plan. Also, trying the wash chem 100 this weekend. If you want to strip a vehicle from waxes and sealants besides Surface Prep from Griot's Garage also you mix at the highest ratio the Turtle Wax or WaxPlanet Eight Below or their Ultimate. Surface Prep from Griot's Garage as well as Turtle Wax even Dawn can be used to strip waxes and sealants but I also use them to clean engine bay(I learned Griot's Garage surface prep this weekend from FAB so I put it here for engine bay too), with Dawn you can do it the cheapest way and extremely effective because it's my preferred one. Always used deionized water since at home have a water softener system.
@@1stfrompuertorico568 Thanks for the tips!
What a waste of time. If you aren't gonna test products on all their abilities then why even do it.
Opinions differ.