Frrrr cus if you tried to use trauma as an excuse in literally any other scenario it is NOT holding up idk why the fandom does that. I low-key love both shows plot wise but the ships and especially the fandom are NOT it
Good Friends yes that possible a good father figure ha 😂😂 that never going to happen most Blitzø, Moxxie, Stoles, Luna, and Angel have fucking daddy issues
@@jameswalker6724 Is the possibility of being gay higher because of lack of fathers Edit: Sorry guys, didn’t mean to come off as homophobic. I was gay-shaming myself when I wrote this 😭
yeah and vivziepop is only so comfortable with talking about angels coping mechanisms but never the aftermath or how its unhealthy she just throws the action on screen
Blitz: *thinks Stolas only loves him for sex because he acts that way* Fandom: "what an awful point of view, Stolas just wants him!" Angel: *acts up to people and harrasses Husk* Fandom: "Poor guy!"
My issue with Vaggie is the fact that while she does have her own character arc , we don’t get to see her go through those stages of grief for redemption and it usually gets sideline till the end for her love for charlie. She has ideas but it gets overshadowed by the constant attention to what charlie feels about it. But thats just my thoughts
There’s so many things wrong with the writing for her and Chaggie. It’s very apparent no one in the writing room thought through any of the implications of the twist making her an angel. Not only was doing so just to reward the fools who made the stupid theory from the pilot days, but please explain to me how making Vaggie one of Adam’s “best girls” for Heaven’s actual GENOCIDE on Hell is supposed to make her sympathetic? And Charlie just FORGIVES GENOCIDE and the three years of lying that Vaggie doesn’t apologize or take any accountability for whatsoever? This show literally has CHARLIE apologize to Vaggie for being understandably upset. “It starts with sorry” unless you’re sapphic I guess, because then you get a pass for anything up to and including genocide. Then Viv went down on record saying the reason Vaggie kept it a secret was not because she was ashamed of herself for her morally bankrupt actions or that what she did in the past was bad, but no. She kept it a secret all because she was afraid if Charlie knew “she would lose her”. Which is disgusting. Redeemed my butt.
Vaggie was always my favorite because I always liked her character design ( white with grey and pink is kind of hard to find ) 😭 She was pretty decent in the pilot imo... Idk how to explain, she just felt more realistic and tired?
Blitzo X Fizz is the best ship in the hellaverse. I really love that it's cannon Blitzo loved fizz as a teen before the fire incident. Too bad blitzo will end up with his Rich Owl Master instead
For reeeeal. There’s so much potential and genuine chemistry between the two than anything we have gotten from both shows. It’s disappointing seeing how little love and attention this ship gets from the fandom. Team Blitz x Fizz needs more recognition.
atp i feel like vivzie is just the... evolved version of a stereotypical fujoshi girl? like i dont get how its that hard to make two characters in a relationship actually be nice to eachother, even if its sexual like 90% of the helluverse is.... SEXUAL DOESNT EQUAL TOXIC!!!!!
To quote my manager when we discussed viv: "She's an American white woman who can draw but not write, yet writes anyways. Her characters look like THAT and one in every relationship is overly sexual, a dommy daddy, acts like a child, and most are twinks. Yes ofc she's a fujoshi."
This isn’t my original idea- I saw someone else say it, but it really does feel like blitzo and stolas was supposed to be a truly toxic ship and that it was never supposed to be a real ship, but then vivzie decided she needed to make it a normal, healthy ship, which she can never do from the way she’s set it up. God stolas is so gross
I firmly believe she saw the cute fanart and the fanfics and changed the story to make them work. Even though it didn’t make sense with any of the plot lines. I really wish that Viv kept Stolas a villain and then if she really liked the ship tried to subtly change Stolas over time.
Not only that, she talked it over with Brandon and Stolas voice actor (forgot his name) and they thought it was cute so she allowed it. That's why she said the pilot is no longer cannon because they were trying to write Stolas out as a villain at first (which is why I think fizz x blitz was originally supposed to be cannon because Viv Iiteraly liked blitz x fizz art on Twitter before Mr billionaire took away the privilege of seeing stuff people liked)
@@badmaidz FR. like plsss fizz and blitz would have been so much better but hooray for emotionally traumatized man and his rich, gaslighting, master??? who sexually harasses him?? are we really supposed to cheer for them??
@@beetleberry I KNOW. I feel like blitz and fizz would be what Vivs lenses of Stolitz because with the full episode interaction they got, they have proven to build each other up and not back talk each other or make the other feel weaker, even Blitz saw Fizz having a panic attack and reacted the right way instead of singing a song about how weak he is. They can even be s3xual but not cringey about it, like, hey talk like ADULTS. honestly I hoped it didn't F up the moment and that is they kissed lol
My main problem with Chaggie is how, at least to me, they don’t feel like a couple. Which maybe it might be me. But it took till episode 8 for me to really feel like Charlie and Vaggie are a couple rather than two best friends. Their interactions are all practically the same and I feel that we don’t get enough time to see them be more than just supportive. Of course being a supportive partner is awesome. But we don’t really get to see them tease each other, or flirt (much), or show off more of their banter.
@@2010-g8n exactly and add thire issues, charlie kinda pushing her ideas and dreams to vaggie without intent to hurt her but vaggie accpte it to make her happy They'd have been a great freinds or sisters rather than coupels
I didn’t realize they were even a couple until the episode that charlie introduces vaggie to lucifer 😭 Like they had nothing indicating that they were in a relationship at all
Reminds me of when the pilot first came out in 2019, where most people like me thought Charlie and Vaggie were bestfriends, not a couple. That's why for example Charlastor was pretty popular back then
@ Right! I thought the same thing. Hell, I thought Angel and Vaggie were endgame as well just cause of the dynamic. (Ironically Charlastor and Spidermoth had more chemistry back then.)
My main issue with Fizz x Ozz is the stereotypes it portrays of gay men in relationships, with one partner being the big strong tough masculine one and the other being the overly feminine, flamboyant and weak. I also agree with the fetishization part as well, be into what you're into but everytime I see them flirt with each other I genuinely wanna rip my eardrums out.
I hate this Thing Vivi does with her gay couples as I'd Like to call: "the feminine one/the masculine one" trope Angel Dust x Husk Stolas x Blitz Fizz x Asmodeus Why can't they be equally feminine/ or masculine, it's basically a stereotypical straight couple, except they're the Same gender!
The argument of "they are in hell" to explain the age gap between Angel Dust and Husk gives me the same vibes as "actually she's 30,000 years old" for some weird reason lol
"G-Guys, A-A-Angel Dust is h-hypersexual, h-he can't control himself! Husk just needs to be more patient with him 🥺🥺🥺" This sentence pisses me off so much, its like me punching someone in the face and saying- "omigosh im so sorry, its just my anger issues, I cant control it!! 🥺" IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY ANYTHING AT ALL
I think what makes Fizz x Ozzy’s condescending, baby-ish nature worse is the fact that Fizz is quite literally disabled. Just kinda pushes that attitude fandom have of babying people who’re disabled. Eugh.
I forgot he was disabled and he's like got prosthetics for all his limbs too doesnt he....? (I'm getting flashbacks to that one f3t1sh art with the anime girl in the hospital bed 🤢)
Babied? Really? Fizz was never babied. Osmodeius worried for him since the fizz bots were creating a volatile image for Fizz and he was concerned that someone was gonna do something to him, like how any sane partner would. Paired with the fact that Fizz cannot fight, so he can't even defend himself against anyone attacking him. Fizz is not disabled but no one looks down on him for that and he is perfectly capable the way he is. Osmodeius just is concerned about his partner's safety in public. Jesus H Christ you people have serious tunnel vision.
@@cupoftea3499 it’s mainly the tone of voice between the two of them TBH. I can definitely see where you’re coming from though. Also, it wouldn’t be such a problem if Vivzie’s mlm ship track record wasn’t like it is. Very Fujoshi, leaning into stereotypes that I really don’t enjoy. Woobifying the one in the relationship perceived at the bottom. Happens all the time, unfortunately. and it’s not like this is out of the blue. Male characters get watered down to helpless/blameless all the time in the Hazbin-verse (IE Stolas). Not saying all of them obviously. Am I a little overly-critical? Yeah. Tunneled visioned? Certainly not. :)
I watched helluva boss and hazbin and once i finished watching, i sat up, took a deep breathe and told myself what NOT to do on relationships when writing my stories
Ngl Chaggie doesn’t even feel like a real ship/ couple. Imo they have more of a “family friends” dynamic. But I mean… we know vivziepop can’t write female characters, so ofc she would make the only lesbian couple the most bland of all. At the least she didn’t fetishize it tho, so it automatically gets more points than the other ships 💀
Hey! Lemme just apologize for putting my shitty Loomian Legacy gameplay, istg Hazbin / Helluva videos are annoying asf bc some clips get copyrighted and some don’t, so I usually put mostly gameplay to keep things safe. Plz let me know if you guys don’t like the gameplay because I will try to find a workaround! Thanks everyone for your patience and support!! I love you!! Edit; IM SO FUCKING SORRY FOR THE DISCORD CALL SOUNDS SHOULD I REUPLOAD IM SORRY😭😭😭 And btw something I forgot to mention for Fizz x Ozzie, when being held at gunpoint by Striker, Fizz says “is it bad that I’m getting hard?” … look man I’m sorry to be sensitive but you have a boyfriend bro 😭😭 my bad I forgot to mention that but yeah that shit bothered me. “They love eachother so much” then why would you tell another man that he turns you on when you have a boyfriend? Second edit I fucking forgot to talk about Cherri and Pentious 😭😭, I mean they also don’t have too many scenes together but I think it’s like alright?
I can see the argument that sometimes even if you are in a relationship, you can still find other people attractive. It's just the human reaction to have and it's not really a betrayal unless you act on it by cheating. That being said though, Fizz was definitely being disrespectful for saying he was being aroused by his kidnapper / potential murder when it's established he's basically in a positive loyal relationship with Ozzy.
@@imgalxe In general, where the loomians don't get any xp if they are not in battle. It's not really a problem but I just don't wanna constantly switch out my loomians in battle just so they can get Xp cause it uses up turns.
10:06 This. I was expecting a crime couple type of thing with fizz and ozzie with fizz as the wildcard and ozzie the more level headed one but both still wicked (team rocket jessie and james style maybe) but nah, honestly if fizz didnt have Alex Birghtman's voice id probably forget that he was an adult man
Honestly, I don't really hate the fizz x ozzy dynamic (my opinion, please don't come after me 😅) in the show right now, even if I think it could use some minor adjustments. But I would have really liked *this* kind of dynamic
Hot take: a LOT if not most of the mlm ships in the Helluvaverse would've been much better as platonic relationships. Especially Huskerdust, but also Stolitz and Fizzarolli imo, and more: Because firstly, it would've been very interesting to see a business like relationship with Ozzie and Fizz, having in mind how Fizz has had experience in the ring of greed and in its aggressively financial environment, it would've been very cool seeing him back up Ozzie with his business in the practical sense. Adding on as a reliable colleague and even as a good friend, as time passed by. And secondly, Stolitz would've been more interesting and ground breaking if they made it platonic. Having the toxic traits of the transactional relationship (having them acknowledged and recognized as wrong by the show too would've been great) and mainly having them slowly become friends and lose interest in the deal made as they try to take on a healthy kind of found friendship in their hardship. Connecting over things like being a struggling father figure trying their best to care for their daughters, genuinely, but being somewhat misguided or lost in what to do. Among other things, like Blitzø seeing that being loved isn't just romantic or sexual in nature, or Stolas having Blitzø as a grounding presence amidst the turmoil and slowly letting go of his prejudices towards the lower classes and imps in general. Also, Huskerdust should've been a found family type of dynamic. I will die on this hill, and I find it kinda creepy how people still ship them. And finally, I think RadioApple is also good as a reluctant or truce-like relationship. Not romantic or anything, but I would've enjoyed a hesitant alliance in desperate times with both of them greatly. Especially regarding each other's relationship surrounding Charlie (Also because I respect immensely Alastor's status as an aroace and morally ambiguous character, and mostly don't ship RadioApple as well) But all things considered, I think it would've been great to see such a variety of platonic relationships. And having them being platonic between men would've mattered a lot, in my opinion, showcasing mutual growth, positive masculinity, or interesting dynamics in general, that don't quite need to always end up well. But I still personally stand over the fact that media needs to show positive platonic relationships between men, instead of shipping them together immediately, or most of the time.
in my own take Stolas and Asmodeus treat their imps as lackeys or henchmen in which they boss Blitzo and Fizz around and have do stuff, Blitzo hates Stolas and Stolas abuses Blitzo and IMP as a whole while Fizz loves both Asmodeus and Mammon because of their sinister ad evil ways and their love of hurting humanity with bad desires
4:42 I think blitz does not like stolas in the slightest, what he has is something similar to Stockholm syndrome. Blitz isn’t used to being treated with any sort of ‘affection’ so after a while with stolas, his brain sort of ties nights with stolas = good and loving. He may not believe himself, but subconsciously that is partially why blitz was scared and confused when stolas gave him the offer of ‘you don’t have to have this anymore.’
i dont get how girls can like huskerdust. Like, I know most viewers of HH are young, but even so, it's pretty common to get sexually harassed. Like genuinely if a man ever treated me like how angel treats the other men- I'd stab a bitch. SA, and sexual harassment are sexual harassment regardless of gender. SO GLAD YOU EXIST TO MAKE THESE VIDEOS!!!
A lot of women actually don’t view male/male relationships as abusive/problematic because they’re… well men. I remember even seeing a bunch of fujoshis brag about how they only read gay abusive ships and not straight ones because they can’t see men as victims
Literally, that’s my issue with Fizz x Asmodeus ship. At first during their introduction ep at the club unlike most I thought Asmodeus treated Fizz like a pet and didn’t have any actual romantic feelings for him. But turns he apparently did and he just likes treating him like a small helpless animal 😬
THIIIIIIIIIIIIIS ‼‼‼I feel like the only reason these ships are so loved and praised is because they're all queer somehow, I assure you that if all of these were straight couples then there would be little to no hype and the issues these couples have would be a LOT clearer, but cuz it's people of the same gender then it doesn't matter as much if not at all?? It's a pattern I noticed in a lot of fandoms and I never understood why it makes such a big difference
No you’re right it’s absolutely because of that. Look at how quickly people turned on Millie/Moxxie when it turned toxic or how fans don’t give a shit about Bee/Rex (or whatever tf that dudes name is)
0:54 Millie x Moxxie 9/10 •This ship was better in the beginning of the series to be honest. I wish we could get more of their dynamic and more Millie character development 2:01 Stolas x Blitzo 0/10 • This ship gave me toxic vibes since day one. I never feelt comfortable with them together, it just reminded me of an old relationship. I think they’re better as exes. 5:38 Husk x Angel 7/10 • This ship has good potential but it’s the writing who kinda wrecked it up. But other than that i like that in canon but most in fanon. 8:34 Ozzie x Fizzarolli 8/10 • Pretty wholesome, a more healthy version of Stolitz but they’re pretty stereotypical. 12:35 Charlie x Vaggie 4/10 • Pretty good but pretty bland. Charlie barely listens to Vaggie and Vaggie has no other intrest other than helping her girlfriend 15:00 Bee x Vortex 8/10 • Not enough screen time, but on screen, fairly good 15:31 Alastor x Lucifer 0/10 • No, i don’t like the concept of This ship, if they got together i think it would be just as toxic as Stolitz. 16:18 Vox x Val 9/10 • They’re sooo toxic but perfect match.
“ B-B-But Angel had trauma from Val!!! He’s hypersexual for that reason!!“ Gang that doesn’t excuse the fact that he literally harassed Husk in previous episodes- He was giving him hints that he was uncomfortable with his actions
THANK GOD I FOUND MY PLACE HERE, i don’t like fizz/ozz and i always feel like i’ll get witch hunted for saying that. You made such good points and the two cents i’ll put in for it on why i don’t like it, is for one- i despise their “Crooked” song. that... is an awful trash pile, the lyrics are so degrading and really make me cringe. Ozz starts off by naming flaws Fizz has like his “crooked horns, crooked grin, a crooked horni freaky little jester...” that’s such a weird way to start a love song when Fizz was already feeling insecure btw, then fizz just says, “Youre a deadly sin” which is true but then Ozz goes on to say, “And i don’t wanna hear another damn word about win, win, win,” but the way he says it sounds like he’s saying Fizz was whining rather than taking his feelings seriously? Ozz then goes on to say he thinks he’s messy (very nice) and that he’s messy himself although unsurprisingly Ozz never mentions what’s messy about himself like... ?? (at least in loser baby we got both equal things on why they’re a mess) Fizz then says, “I don’t know why you waste your time on me” and Ozz just says... “Baby, all i got is time!” instead of literally saying anything else like he’s not a waste of time???? Fizz says, “When there’s so much i’ll never be” and Ozz just laughs cause it’s funny to see your partner be insecure right? Ozz then says there’s so much Fizz cant see, and Fizz with a very sweet hopeful smile asks, “What can’t I see?” like he genuinely wants to hear it but Ozz just says, “Youre a broken record, don’t you ever shut your crooked little lips?” and Fizz just forgets it and says, “What do you want me to do with my lips?” and that’s it... it’s just ew... if my partner talked to me that way (or rather sang) i’d say bye! cause nahhh, not to mention Fizz says to Blitz in the episode ‘Oops!’ that he’s not broken but in the next episode that’s what he hears that he’s crooked and whatever. idk there’s so much more i wanna say but i’ll leave it at that and just say i dislike them a lot and Blitz x Fizz 4ever ❤️ sorry for the rant
I think fans who personally relate to Blitzø and Stolas simply have a hard time accepting that the characters are toxic and have serious flaws that they would have to improve if they wanted a healthy relationship. Which is exactly why people shouldn't become so attached to fictional characters, they take the criticism as their own
Let me sat the record straight people who are “True” Blitzo fan like me do call out Blitzøs flaws and toxic personality and the effects it has on people but understand the context on how he end up being this person that doesn’t excuse his actions but we want to see him healthy improve as a person not only with himself but with the people around him
@@jameswalker6724in order to do that he would have to surround himself with people that are positive influence for him (Moxie and Millie can count ig?).That’s a task ik will be harder for him, because from what we’ve seen is that it’s a toxic environment to be in where the place is set here, there’s at least gotta be some people that at least haven’t lost themselves due to unfortunate events in their past lives til now or can help get past through the traumatic experiences by acceptance. Up until now it’s not Blitz’s fault for having to be born into a world of brokenness/ corruption, he wasn’t taught right, the people (his *Dad* his mom was the one that at least was caring and the positive parent) that he thought he can look up to were supposed to be his role model/ protector/ salvation/ peace for him didn’t care or try to make an effort to to do what is best and teach him about good morals.
Guys quick theory: Blitz and Fizz were supposed to originally be together. HEAR. ME. OUT. Stolas in the pilot was originally supposed to be a villain but then Viv started to consider making Blitz and Stolas a thing because haha fanart and stuff as said in an interview I forgot where though. Not only that, she talked it over with Brandon and Stolas' voice actor,(forgot his name) and they thought it was cute so they allowed it. That's why she said the pilot is no longer cannon because they were trying to write Stolas out as a villain at first but they now wanted to make him Blitz' love interest. My proof on how I think fizz and blitz were supposed to be a couple? Well before viewing likes on Twitter was removed, Viv Iiteraly liked blitz x fizz art on Twitter and why would you do that if you already had your mind set on something? And I think Ozzie and Fizz were poorly written because Ozz just became a fill-in for Fizz so he won't be single and you know, to give Stolitz shippers hope and hey, it worked!! So sorry for the essay but my points needa be heard!! Plus I used to ship Stolitz so you gyatta listen to meeee!!!!
I completely agree with what you said, and I mean, I know Vizie is an Indie artist and has been gaining experience in writing now, but I think she cares too much about Fandom approval.Of course the fans' opinion is important, but it seems like she cares more about the ramcom part
I think Vivzie is just an INCREDIBLY poor writer, especially when it comes to relationships. She’s stuck in her amateur Wattpad writing ways and refuses to write a compelling ship without it sucking.
Just a note about the Vox and Val ship, it’s been shown multiple times that Val is very very abusive towards Vox in old insta posts like Vox had a broken screen because Val punched him so yeah, awful ship 😭
Their relationship is basically that one toxic couple who would always argue and "break up" but get back together because they were either insecure being single or the sex was just that good.
I agree with a lot of this, especially the points about stolitz and huskerdust. I have to mention about Alastor being aromantic though. While he has been explicitly confirmed asexual, he is also heavily implied to be aromantic as well, and on the averse side of those spectrums. Rosie was talking about dating being off the table when she joked about Charlie being too young for him, not just sex, and with Alastor not even being aware of what asexuality and aromanticism is, it is extremely unlikely she would be so confident that he's asexual if Alastor had confused the matter for them both in having much of an interest of a partner of any kind. He has also only ever reacted to the subject with disinterest or disgust. There's meta evidence for it as well. The only reason Vivzie hasn't confirmed Alastor’s aromanticism is to avoid the huge backlash they got from fans who want to ship him when Amir said he was aroace, which is queerbaiting. As a result, while it isn't necessarily wrong to ship him as long as canon is respected, as an aroace myself I do still feel uncomfortable with how much he gets shipped and sexualised with "aro/ace people can still date/have sex" and "it was never confirmed he was aromantic" being used as excuses.
Not to mention that Alastor is a crazy psychopath and is definitely one for manipulating and coercing people. I can't see how ANY relationship with him and Charlie wouldn't get abusive.
@darkjazzygirl8569 it's like how every autistic persons autism is different from others. It's a spectrum. Some autistic people have exceptional intelligence, and some others are intellectually disabled. You can't assume that one trait for one person will apply to all.
As a qpr radioapple shipper i dont want alastor ib a relationship with anyone in canon because that just seems his thing but fanon wise i like radioapple
I personally don’t think Chaggie is a good ship but it is a bit embarrassing on Viv’s part that the only reason it feels more genuine is because she very clearly does not care about sexualizing sapphic relationships. I actually don’t agree with the take that it’s good that they aren’t very sexual because 1) they canonically DO have sex apparently and 2) the only reason fans think they don’t even do any physically intimate things together is because the show doesn’t want to sexualize them because that’s the only way this show knows how to write sexual intimacy. By objectifying her characters.
I feel the same way about the age gap between Angel and Husk. They're both adults so technically it's legal, but to me Husk looks like a grandpa compared to Angel and like you said, he seems more like his mentor than lover. It just makes me uncomfortable somehow, and for that reason, I never really liked this ship. Also I think he called Angel "kid" at some point?? which makes it even creepier to me
@@HowWasTheFalll There’s actually the justification of them being born in the same era but dying at drastically different times. Still, I don’t like ships at all.
My thoughts: Fizz × Blitz is better and makes more sense. Angel dust should not be overly victimized and should work on himself before getting into ANY relationships. Stolas also needs to work on himself and maybe get with that Incubus guy in apology tour and start over.
sorry i didnt really watch the show but arent fizz and blitz siblings? and i heavily agree with angel dust he needs to acknowledge his problems before literally anything else
Yeah, make them get together even though blitzø completely scarred fizz for life and completely altered the course of his life. Like two people who genuinely care for each other where one of them put their whole job position and life at risk just to defend their partner? Ew cringe, abusive, toxic. Oh but making someone who nearly killed the other get together, that is like so healthy, like relationship goals right there, like honestly everyone would want that kind of relationship ngl.
@@cupoftea3499 So its better to be in a relationship with a hypersexual owl man who makes 90% of the relationship about sex, is constantly humiliating you, and straight up goes to a party where people hate you and want you to die??
@@cupoftea3499 Did you've even seen the episode who was for them ? Looks like you're just hating Blitzø for no reason or you're just really bad at braining.
Vivziepop quoted herself that they shouldn't romanticized between an abuser and a victim but meanwhile she did it.. and it disgusted me.. I'm not saying that I'm being homophobic it's just.. I didn't like when Vivziepop made it worse.
15:30 sorry for who ships it but... F*CK THIS SH*T, THE FANARTS ARE ALWAYS SEXUAL, I HAVE SEEN ONES, "WHY ITS ALWAYS A SEX THING" (One of best striker quotes actually, at least for me) Why they can be shipped without sex
@@imgalxealso btw, youtube deleted my about huskerdust thing, soo.... i can't actually understand why people doesn't care about age gap, its like shipping a 50 years old with a kid(with 10 years💀), its the sams gap
@fnf.selene it's not the same as shipping it with a kid, a kid is a minor, angel is an adult. I feel like that wasn't worded right, but I agree, the age gap is definitely weird
10:09 Real. When I first watched S1 E7 I was actually interested in Fizz X Ozzie. They looked like this cool villain couple who had a blast just being complete assholes to other people but constantly supported each other during their performances like they did in the "House of Asmodeus" song. Basically a "big evil guy X gremlin who's the only person he respects" type of dynamic. But after season 2 it just felt like they threw that dynamic out of the window to make it a "UwU soft hepless little feminine boy X big strong daddy who needs to protect him all the time" type of ship instead, which just feels super generic especially when all of the M/M couples in HH/HB (Stolitz, Huskerdust, and now this one) feel like they all have that same dynamic. I don't even think it's just a coincidence anymore, especially when all of those couples even have the same sexualities (the soft UwU boy is always a gay men and the big strong daddy is always pansexual. The representation in the Hellaverse is... questionable at best).
I've expressed concerns about Huskerdust. Husk works better as a mentor or father figure to Angeldust than an actual partner. That, and this relationship is doomed to fail BECAUSE OF THE STORY. Angel can't get close to someone because he's a sex worker and is owned by Valentino. Valentino is petty, abusive, and possessive, and would probably try to kill Husk if he found out. Husk is also owned by Alastor and Alastor is also vindictive. Alastor would likely try and keep Husk away from Angel or vice versa because Alastor hates Angel. Viv either didn't think this through or set these up to fail.
Yeah, HB has such inconsistent writing in their lore, but I found that part to be the most confusing. Why is it that everyone else in the show is bullying Stolas/Blitz and Ozzie/Fizz for being couples, but they give Vortex and Bee a pass? Like, okay, on the surface it makes sense because Stolas is married and is flaunting his cheating. But his marriage gets retconned so like... why should we care at that point anymore? And they gossip about Ozzie and Fizz, but like... Ozzie is the representation of lust. And lust and love have some connections with each other, it's also clear they still have an active sexual relationship. Wouldn't it make sense for Ozzie to have multiple lovers, regardless of their status? Not to mention he is a prince of hell, same with Bee, and she is in a relationship with a hellhound, who is lower in status compared to imps. Shouldn't she be criticized more for being with a mutt than Ozzie is for doing what he is supposed to?
They could do so much with the class system but they only do the bare minimum. How does the upper class and lower class interact with each other beyond romantic and transactional relationships? Also do the lower class care as much as the upper class about hell.
In my AU, Fizz and Ozzie never meet. Ozzie is basically Valentino towards Angel Dust. (I bent the rules to make it work) Stolas is a villain who is basically a yandere toward Blitzø. Blitzø x Fizz is canon, and a bunch of other things I forgot about at the moment.
@@laurav5767 so unfortunate when there’s SO much potential there but nahh Viv wants to romanticize that garbage and feed off the fans by promoting merch of it and stuff, so gross
when people see a ship that they don't like with alastor: But he's aroace so he can't date! When they see a ship ghat they do: BUT he's aroace BUT he can still feel attraction... (Not you lol- just those peeps-)
The fact vivziepop makes all her lesbian ships so uwu wholesome!! So cute smol bean!! And all her gay ships harder dadddyyyy oh I’ve been a bad boyyy spank me says a lot abt her as a person
@@adrienneczerni6516 no because she's supposedly into women, so her "fetishizing" (we need to put this word away for a while) wlw in fiction is par for the course. If you're into chicks I'd sure hope you'd give them a well written fucknasty bedroom life, one obviously written from a wlw pov. But she's not a gay or bisexual man and cannot write to save her bacon, so her mlm ships are held under different scrutiny glasses.
for two shows that claim to have such great rep, viv seems to be unable to make a queer pairing that isn’t toxic or unhealthy in some way. don’t even get me started on the “BuT thEy’Re iN HeLl sO THey BaD” genius takes 💀 as a bi woman, even the MAIN wlw pairing of Hazbin is so incredibly lacking in anything that i forget vaggie exists half the time
Thank you for talking about these ships because.. i am also not a big shipper but overall im glad these ships got pretty called out from the bad and the good so, I'll rate how i feel about them.. Moxxie x Millie is an 8/10- This ship is pretty good in like the first season, the second season, i kinda lost interest in them also, but they're still an 'Okay' relationship! Stolas x Blitzo 0/10- I used to ONLY like this ship, just cause it was poplar and i was holding back the hate for it, but so glad stolas is now getting called out, he truly does not deserve blitzo at all, it pains me to see people forgetting that blitzo is technically a pr*stitute for stolas, selling himself for the book and the show just made us forget that pulling a "Childhood friendship" bullsh*t, the way stolas acts towards blitzo is so disgusting and annoying and people also forget that ONE thing blitzo said at the end of season 1 ep 7 that's my opinion! Angel x Husk 1/10- Few reasons because, i don't like their 40 year age gap, because in my opinion the farthest you can go in age gap WHEN YOU BECOME AN ADULT is 20 years, past that is too far and i also do not like the way Angel treats husk at times with the Sexual Harassment he tends to give husk, its very annoying and disgusting, I don't really like Angel Dusk either he's not a really good written S*xual Ass*lt character, but maybe they can be better as friends! Huskerdust Edit: I felt like this ship was also kinda forced with the show and the fans of them, ANOTHER OF MY OPINION! Fizzarolli x Ozzie 7/10- This ship is pretty healthy but i also agree it's very stereotypical, i cringe so hard at the times fizz and ozzie talked at times.. Charlie x Vaggie 5/10- I haven't even finished the show, but from here, Charlie and Vaggie seem like a pretty 'Okay' relationship. Bee x voretex 8/10- From what I've seen, these 2 have a pretty good relationship and i hope to see more of them in the future. Alastor x Lucifer 0/10- No, because 1. I don't really ship alastor with ANYONE, 2. Lucifer has a wife, 3. Idk this ship just doesn't work for me. Valentino x Vox 0/10- I'm sorry but I don't wanna a ship a S*xual Abuser with someone else, even if Vox is just as bad as him, I don't feel like this ship would work for me.. THAT'S MY OPINION FOR ALL OF THESE!
@@Octo_MoraTrue he would obviously trick a dummy into falling in love with him and then manipulate abuse them in the process, I also hate how he's treated as a "Cool Villain", when he's literally an abuser which honestly disgusts me..
My main problem with Stoliz is not that it's a toxic ship, because damn, the narrative really does take place in hell. What bothers me about Stoliz is that the series itself tries to treat it as if the Blitz was the biggest culprit for their bad relationship, but Blitz is clearly a person who NEEDS that to survive, even if "Stolas didn't have the intention of manipulating" he acted in a predatory manner, maybe it could be something better with an arc in which Stolas realizes what it's like to be in the place of a lower class/Imp. And what makes me LOVE VoxVal and hate Stoliz is exactly that, Valentino and Vox are horrible people and at no point are they treated as victims by the narrative or treated as "just one abusive side", both have an understanding of who they are involved with and if Vox wanted to he could end Valentino, but even so, they have a healthier relationship than most of the "healthy" couples in HH and HB, besides the "couple of horrible villains who are even worse together 💓" dynamic
Love the JJBA reference. Youre fr right about Stolas being a much more manipulative/bad than Blitz in their relationship. BUT THANK YOUUUU I like the Husker/angel dynamic but i like them as mentor/younger one kinda thing or father/son thing. But the age gap/maturity difference is like it makes me uncomfy. And thats not even touching on the assault. And ozzy and fizz is so right too!!! Like class difference/power imbalance. And like i also hate being coddled by my partners (to that extent). I actually got into a fight with my partner once because of the fear of coddling/being belittled in that way.
wow, thank you for defending chaggie! i wasn't expecting them to get brought up at all, let alone this! i love vaggie and i hate how people think she has nothing going for her, but even if it was true that they're bland/underdeveloped, at least just vaggie, then i'm quite confident their writing will be improved over the course of the next three upcoming seasons. i personally liked the whole conflict arc they had in episodes six and seven, i found it interesting.
I feel like the only way I could ever like huskerdust is if angel does heal and atone for his actions and properly apologise and husk actually thinking about if he should forgive him and not just “nah, it’s ok, it’s ur trauma response” or something. Having them hint towards the ship while angel has only just started his arc feels like fan service. Oh and the show would have to treat husk like an actual character rather than angels support system, but I feel like that’ll never happen 💀
as someone who wants more MLM relationships in media because I am MLM myself, I hate that most of the canon MLM relationships in the show are badly written.
I love the version of Stolas that lives in my head. A genuine person with his own marital issues and duty as an Ars Goetia while also being a kind person. Also he’s a BADASS. I mean it when I say I feel like I can change this show for the better and it is not difficult to. I’m sure I could keep every plot point that Viv wanted and also make the show good. Except for the Fizz stuff, cuz really that could be just one episode and then an exclusive on the side that doesn’t interrupt the flow of the show. Being so deadass rn I can fix this show and it will be easier than writing the current project I’m working on.
Honestly I know this ship isn't the greatest either but I would rather have Verosika X Blitz than Stolitz ANYDAY. Blitz has had some serious character development and growth and I think if him and Verosika gave it another go it'd turn out better in the end. At least I'd love to see them become friends and kick Stolas to the curve together. - Certified Stolas hater
First line of defense in case fans of these ships appear on Twitter 🗣️ And btw, In the case of Vaggie and Charlie, I feel like people think that because it feels like Vaggie doesn't relate to the rest of the cast, she even seems to get annoyed with the rest of the hotel members very quickly, Also, Vaggie's development feels somewhat rushed, since from one moment to the next she and Charlie already reconcile (like Half a chapter almost) And of course her origin story only seems to have been crafted to make the exorcists look even more evil (I think those are some reasons)
The Bee x Tex ship is pretty convoluted considering the world building in helluva and how Bee is responsible for the hellhound orphanages ie her signature on the adoption papers.
I really don’t see the appeal with huskerdust at all. I’m guessing that it’s popular because husk can read him very well and angel can feel like he can maybe talk to him about his struggles without feeling too exposed or embarrassed, but other than that I really don’t fucking get it.
I liked this video. It actually made me think a bit more about the ships in Hazbin and Helluva Boss, even though I personally am not invested in any of them.
Twitter gonna have a meltdown with this one🗣️🔥 also yeah i always found it weird when ozzie said to fizz “you’ll never have to go outside again” or sm like that 11:20 also same with bee and vortex but eh
back in middle school i knew people who acted EXACTLY like fizz and ozzie. Broke up after a month the fact that a grown woman thinks this is what relationships are like baffles me
As a massive shipper even I don’t like a single ship in the helluverse… I don’t understand why the ships in these two shows are so popular when there are way cuter, less toxic ships to enjoy elsewhere
i literally wish angel wasn't like... characterized like that? the only way i ship huskerdust is when their relationship is written just. differently. Ugh they would be so good together why is angel written like that😭 like he can be hypersexual but from what others have said and personal experience with my friends hypersexual's don't just assault people????? LIKE CAN THEY BOTH JUST BE A NORMAL FRIENDS TO LOVERS TROPE PLEASEEEEE🙏🙏🙏🙏 edit:omfg thought husk died in his 50's NVMMM OMG NAH☠️☠️☠️☠️
I could never get behind Chaggie. I have to agree that Vaggie is barely a character on par with Millie. Everything about her circles back to Charlie in some form with very little agency outside of it. She doesn’t have her own aspirations or motivations that aren’t linked to Charlie. Both her songs are about doubling down on only existing for Charlie and her love for Charlie. And the angel twist really pissed me off because no one in the writing room thought through the implications at all. Vaggie being not only an exorcist, but as Adam state’s one of his “best girls”? So a star soldier and killer for Heaven’s genocide on Hell’s sinners? Something she lies about for the ENTIRETY of her three year relationship with Charlie? That she had no intention of EVER being honest about had she not been exposed? I get that Charlie is forgiving, but is forgiving genocide a lesson we should be teaching? It’s especially insulting and gross in the current climate. And Viv’s later commentary made it worse in specifying that the reason Vaggie never told Charlie was because “she was afraid she’d lose her” if she knew. So she kept it secret not because she realized her actions were wrong or was ashamed of her past, but because she didn’t want to lose her relationship built on a lie? Charlie isn’t much better. Not only does she ignore Vaggie’s advice at literally every turn on top of disregard Vaggie’s boundaries as well. And for someone who claims to care about her people, she’s a bit quick to forgive one of the ones responsible for killing a bunch of her citizens who also lied to her about it. Never mind how she was more upset about being lied to than, I don’t know, THE DEATHS OF ALL HER PEOPLE ON VAGGIE’S HANDS. But because it’s sapphic, people will ignore and downplay and justify any and all toxicity.
I think I'm starting to hate both these shows now. I haven't bothered to continue watching either of them after a certain point, but to be honest, I'm glad I haven't.
Ehh; personally I thought Vaggie's huge reveal was rushed, like many other things within the show. It also doesn't make sense to me that everyone around her seems to be perfectly fine with her being a fallen angel. Yeah; I guess it make a lil semblance of sense that Charlie quickly forgave her for hiding that secret from her for all these years. That's just how Charlie is tho, she quickly forgives anything bad that happened to her EXCEPT for the exterminations. I mean; just look at how quickly her and Lucifer kissed and made up?!
@@artistanthony1007 yea ig I learned that the hard way. Its kinda hard to not give up once youre ,,too deep” into it Thas just my view on it nothing else
The fact there's even a trigger warning for an opinion, can't wait to see all those crazy fujoshi fans of this show burn this video XD And yeah I agree with everything in this video, especially about how glorified and fetishized the mlm relationships of this show are both in canon and outside, it's like Viv can't write a single gay relationship without it being problematic and overly sexual.
All I see is Viv making him drunk to make an excuse that he cares and that isnt him doing it, this is not the first time being drunk is used to prove that this isnt the person.
I don’t know why, but I love Stolas, his design, voice, his personality… needs work, but still. I wish he was used more sparingly instead of Stolitz being the main plot of the show, though.
As someone writing a slow burn, it seems to me that Vivzie does not care about her characters enough to see their flaws consistently. Blitzø hates himself. Okay and? Stolas is privileged. Okay and? For a slow burn to work, sure you can have internal conflicts, but without enough external conflicts pressuring the pairing, it quickly becomes just toxicity. I don’t mean to toot my own horn or brag about my own writing, but I’d like to compare some of my own writing decisions with Vivzie’s, to give people a better understanding of the inner workings of writing something like this. When my female lead faces her trauma regarding being taken advantage of, it’s strictly because of HER OWN history. Not because of anything the male lead has done. As much as she’s distrusting toward him, she’s still got respect for him as to not blame him for it. When my male lead gets frustrated with her because she isn’t cooperating with him, he makes it a point to say,”I can’t blame you for what happened” and “I still respect you”. These are both examples of a mutual respect the two have for eachother. That is not present in a lot of Vivzie’s relationships. I’m not saying every character has to be completely emotionally aware of everything. If Blitzø had simply blamed Stolas for acting like a royal shithead and Stolas WASNT acting like a royal shithead, and we got to see more trauma regarding Blitzø and his status as an imp, maybe that could change how we view this. But even then, Blitzø has so much hatred for Stolas’s standing, that it might be simply toxic either way. And most importantly, there is NO CHEMISTRY. For the audience to continue being interested in the slow burn, you need to show moments where the couple would make a great pair if the external and internal conflicts weren’t there. For me, I had my leads looking at jewelry in a jewelry store and genuinely bonding over it. I had them talk about their histories and see what they had in common. I had the male lead find out a childish interest the female lead had and had his reaction be to talk about it with her. What Vivzie doesn’t do is give us a reason to care.
Fizz and Ozzie were such a huge flop in my opinion, the dynamic that was presented in the Ozzie's episode felt way more interesting than the weird infantilizing stereotypical yaoi shit we got in the end. Fizz's fall from grace is so sad tbh he was cool like what happened. The second I saw that his leg prosthetics were drawn to look like STOCKINGS I knew it was over for him
I mean... I am pretty sure most if not all disabled people stylize their prosthetics? Like I don't know why that is a concern for someone to stylize their prosthetics for something they enjoy.
does Vivziepop even know how to write a gay man ship that isnt middle school wattpad BL? i havent seen her write ANY genuinely good MLM ships. i can excuse Fizzmodeus since they seem pretty happy but even still, that doesnt make it that great.
Tbh and this may be quite the accusation… I think she fetishizes them. After that whole controversy with the Angel Dust x Valentino situation and her calling it hot… I’m seeing her work and I’m seeing how oversexualized every mlm ship is.
7:25 Imo, the age gab thing isn't as bad, because Angel died in the 1940s in his 30s and Husk died in the 1970s in his 70s, which means they have like, a 10 year age gap, which isn't really that bad. Although every other point is enough to deem the ship unhealthy.
Blitzø and husk maybe pansexual which means likes every gender/likes with different sexuals or smth doesn't mean they automatically dont have boundaries!?
“ItS a TrAuMa ReSpOnSe”
Trauma is a reason not an excuse
Fr tho when i see people excuse angel dust for that i find it hilarious because they stupid
@@mikumikumikufan*they are stupid
Frrrr cus if you tried to use trauma as an excuse in literally any other scenario it is NOT holding up idk why the fandom does that. I low-key love both shows plot wise but the ships and especially the fandom are NOT it
Based opinion and a cyn pfp. Awesome
Stolas and Angel Dust needs a friend not a boyfriend, and a good father figure too.
Good Friends yes that possible a good father figure ha 😂😂 that never going to happen most Blitzø, Moxxie, Stoles, Luna, and Angel have fucking daddy issues
@@jameswalker6724 Is the possibility of being gay higher because of lack of fathers
Edit: Sorry guys, didn’t mean to come off as homophobic. I was gay-shaming myself when I wrote this 😭
@@INFP-TurdThere is no evidence to suggest that this is how this works
@@jameswalker6724that’s….exactly why they need a GOOD father figure
Debateable, how about *sexual trauma*. There seems to be some overlap. 🤔
"you were here to RAVISH me weren't you?" GET OUT ‼‼🗣🗣
And it's excused because he's drunk, yeah being drunk has been the excuse for so many things.
Fr
rrravish*
also people who excuse stolas for being drunk definitely hate alcohol in general
ikr its such a struggle to get through any vivziepop episode without cringing atleast 10 times no exaggerating there
@@heiroferk"OOOZZZIEEEEE 😝😖🥺🥺"
GET OUT ‼️🗣🗣
I ship Stolas and biting the curb in live 4k ✨🥺
I CACKLED TO THIS OMG
HAHAH
me too💞💞
Otp 💖🤭
Me too bestie
“but it’s a trauma response!!🥺”
G-G-GET OUT‼️‼️🗣️🗣️🗣️
@@KILLSHOTXX011 REAL
like dude not everything angel needs to be victimized for is because he gets sa'd by valentino
yeah and vivziepop is only so comfortable with talking about angels coping mechanisms but never the aftermath or how its unhealthy she just throws the action on screen
@@heiroferk It's SA, drugs, trauma and abuse with no end goal. Lol
Blitz: *thinks Stolas only loves him for sex because he acts that way*
Fandom: "what an awful point of view, Stolas just wants him!"
Angel: *acts up to people and harrasses Husk*
Fandom: "Poor guy!"
My issue with Vaggie is the fact that while she does have her own character arc , we don’t get to see her go through those stages of grief for redemption and it usually gets sideline till the end for her love for charlie. She has ideas but it gets overshadowed by the constant attention to what charlie feels about it. But thats just my thoughts
There’s so many things wrong with the writing for her and Chaggie. It’s very apparent no one in the writing room thought through any of the implications of the twist making her an angel. Not only was doing so just to reward the fools who made the stupid theory from the pilot days, but please explain to me how making Vaggie one of Adam’s “best girls” for Heaven’s actual GENOCIDE on Hell is supposed to make her sympathetic? And Charlie just FORGIVES GENOCIDE and the three years of lying that Vaggie doesn’t apologize or take any accountability for whatsoever?
This show literally has CHARLIE apologize to Vaggie for being understandably upset. “It starts with sorry” unless you’re sapphic I guess, because then you get a pass for anything up to and including genocide. Then Viv went down on record saying the reason Vaggie kept it a secret was not because she was ashamed of herself for her morally bankrupt actions or that what she did in the past was bad, but no. She kept it a secret all because she was afraid if Charlie knew “she would lose her”. Which is disgusting. Redeemed my butt.
She is incredibly boring and my least favorite character imo
@@horakhtythecreator6911your butt is more redemption worthing than Vaggie
And dumbasses are actually saying stuff like, “Charlie shouldn’t have been said this to Vaggie.” Like someone ACTUALLY said that.
Vaggie was always my favorite because I always liked her character design ( white with grey and pink is kind of hard to find ) 😭
She was pretty decent in the pilot imo... Idk how to explain, she just felt more realistic and tired?
Blitzo X Fizz is the best ship in the hellaverse. I really love that it's cannon Blitzo loved fizz as a teen before the fire incident.
Too bad blitzo will end up with his Rich Owl Master instead
Can agree.
For reeeeal. There’s so much potential and genuine chemistry between the two than anything we have gotten from both shows. It’s disappointing seeing how little love and attention this ship gets from the fandom. Team Blitz x Fizz needs more recognition.
Aren’t they brothers?
@@sonofastudstudios4552 no, they're close friends.
@@FUMOANIMATOR oh, I genuinely thought they were cuz of the flashbacks, mb
atp i feel like vivzie is just the... evolved version of a stereotypical fujoshi girl? like i dont get how its that hard to make two characters in a relationship actually be nice to eachother, even if its sexual like 90% of the helluverse is.... SEXUAL DOESNT EQUAL TOXIC!!!!!
To quote my manager when we discussed viv: "She's an American white woman who can draw but not write, yet writes anyways. Her characters look like THAT and one in every relationship is overly sexual, a dommy daddy, acts like a child, and most are twinks. Yes ofc she's a fujoshi."
@@kritsy6421i think the Second one Makes the Most sense
Is your manager single /j
@@beetleberry get in Line, PAL, I was about to ask the Same thang!
I would debate the “evolved” part but yeah.
This isn’t my original idea- I saw someone else say it, but it really does feel like blitzo and stolas was supposed to be a truly toxic ship and that it was never supposed to be a real ship, but then vivzie decided she needed to make it a normal, healthy ship, which she can never do from the way she’s set it up. God stolas is so gross
in the pilot Stolas was a villian, so I think you right
I firmly believe she saw the cute fanart and the fanfics and changed the story to make them work. Even though it didn’t make sense with any of the plot lines.
I really wish that Viv kept Stolas a villain and then if she really liked the ship tried to subtly change Stolas over time.
Not only that, she talked it over with Brandon and Stolas voice actor (forgot his name) and they thought it was cute so she allowed it. That's why she said the pilot is no longer cannon because they were trying to write Stolas out as a villain at first (which is why I think fizz x blitz was originally supposed to be cannon because Viv Iiteraly liked blitz x fizz art on Twitter before Mr billionaire took away the privilege of seeing stuff people liked)
@@badmaidz FR. like plsss fizz and blitz would have been so much better but hooray for emotionally traumatized man and his rich, gaslighting, master??? who sexually harasses him?? are we really supposed to cheer for them??
@@beetleberry I KNOW. I feel like blitz and fizz would be what Vivs lenses of Stolitz because with the full episode interaction they got, they have proven to build each other up and not back talk each other or make the other feel weaker, even Blitz saw Fizz having a panic attack and reacted the right way instead of singing a song about how weak he is. They can even be s3xual but not cringey about it, like, hey talk like ADULTS. honestly I hoped it didn't F up the moment and that is they kissed lol
Half the ships in both hazbin and helluva feels so wattpadish, like am not only one who gets that feeling from Viv writing right?
I always thought the same thing when it came to episode like unhappy camper and Apology Tour
The entirety of hazbin hotel feels like it came from wattpad
Wattpad has better writing sometimes
@@thatoneocmaker nah, Wattpad is known as “baby’s first fanfiction site” for a reason
@@Bratgirly Yeah, but there HAS been some good fanfiction that I've read there. Not ALL, obviously, but a small number
WE'RE GETTING CANCELLED BY INSANE FANS WHO CANT RESPECT OPINIONS WITH THIS ONE 🔥🔥🔥
It's just the fans at this point
like im a fan but i don't like these ships
This is just a hater channel.
@@Ebh55. it's a opinion channel
noone cares about your opinion
@@mikumikumikufan Still a hater channel.
My main problem with Chaggie is how, at least to me, they don’t feel like a couple. Which maybe it might be me. But it took till episode 8 for me to really feel like Charlie and Vaggie are a couple rather than two best friends. Their interactions are all practically the same and I feel that we don’t get enough time to see them be more than just supportive. Of course being a supportive partner is awesome. But we don’t really get to see them tease each other, or flirt (much), or show off more of their banter.
@@2010-g8n exactly and add thire issues, charlie kinda pushing her ideas and dreams to vaggie without intent to hurt her but vaggie accpte it to make her happy
They'd have been a great freinds or sisters rather than coupels
I didn’t realize they were even a couple until the episode that charlie introduces vaggie to lucifer 😭 Like they had nothing indicating that they were in a relationship at all
@@warm.t33thsame 😭
Reminds me of when the pilot first came out in 2019, where most people like me thought Charlie and Vaggie were bestfriends, not a couple. That's why for example Charlastor was pretty popular back then
@ Right! I thought the same thing. Hell, I thought Angel and Vaggie were endgame as well just cause of the dynamic. (Ironically Charlastor and Spidermoth had more chemistry back then.)
My main issue with Fizz x Ozz is the stereotypes it portrays of gay men in relationships, with one partner being the big strong tough masculine one and the other being the overly feminine, flamboyant and weak. I also agree with the fetishization part as well, be into what you're into but everytime I see them flirt with each other I genuinely wanna rip my eardrums out.
I hate this Thing Vivi does with her gay couples as I'd Like to call: "the feminine one/the masculine one" trope
Angel Dust x Husk
Stolas x Blitz
Fizz x Asmodeus
Why can't they be equally feminine/ or masculine, it's basically a stereotypical straight couple, except they're the Same gender!
But what's with it???
@@Ebh55.Stereotypes arent good for anybody
i couldnt even watch fizz x ozz episodes i literally had to skip them
@@heiroferk understandable
Never thought I’d see the day where I hate every relationship in a show 😭😭
HAHAH SAME
Nah fr like atleast I would like ONE of the ships but nah I hate all of them 💀
I agree with you. Glad to know that we aren't the only ones.
What about…
Nevermind :D
Hate for what?
The argument of "they are in hell" to explain the age gap between Angel Dust and Husk gives me the same vibes as "actually she's 30,000 years old" for some weird reason lol
Yami Yugi: IT'S TIME TO D-D-DD-D-D--D-D-DUE -DIVORCE!!
"G-Guys, A-A-Angel Dust is h-hypersexual, h-he can't control himself! Husk just needs to be more patient with him 🥺🥺🥺"
This sentence pisses me off so much, its like me punching someone in the face and saying- "omigosh im so sorry, its just my anger issues, I cant control it!! 🥺" IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY ANYTHING AT ALL
As a hypersexual person that’s not an excuse?? It’s not that hard to not harass someone
@StampleConsumer EXACTLY
As a hypersexual person i agree as well, like omg it's not THAT HARD to control itself
I think what makes Fizz x Ozzy’s condescending, baby-ish nature worse is the fact that Fizz is quite literally disabled. Just kinda pushes that attitude fandom have of babying people who’re disabled. Eugh.
I’m autistic and hate being babied. I wouldn’t want a relationship like that with someone either.
@@theotherther1real
I forgot he was disabled and he's like got prosthetics for all his limbs too doesnt he....? (I'm getting flashbacks to that one f3t1sh art with the anime girl in the hospital bed 🤢)
Babied? Really? Fizz was never babied. Osmodeius worried for him since the fizz bots were creating a volatile image for Fizz and he was concerned that someone was gonna do something to him, like how any sane partner would. Paired with the fact that Fizz cannot fight, so he can't even defend himself against anyone attacking him. Fizz is not disabled but no one looks down on him for that and he is perfectly capable the way he is. Osmodeius just is concerned about his partner's safety in public. Jesus H Christ you people have serious tunnel vision.
@@cupoftea3499 it’s mainly the tone of voice between the two of them TBH. I can definitely see where you’re coming from though. Also, it wouldn’t be such a problem if Vivzie’s mlm ship track record wasn’t like it is. Very Fujoshi, leaning into stereotypes that I really don’t enjoy. Woobifying the one in the relationship perceived at the bottom. Happens all the time, unfortunately. and it’s not like this is out of the blue. Male characters get watered down to helpless/blameless all the time in the Hazbin-verse (IE Stolas). Not saying all of them obviously. Am I a little overly-critical? Yeah. Tunneled visioned? Certainly not. :)
I watched helluva boss and hazbin and once i finished watching, i sat up, took a deep breathe and told myself what NOT to do on relationships when writing my stories
Me too, me too.
@laurav5767 i was actually feeling insecure abt my writing but then saw stolitz and honestly felt so much better abt myself
@@th1rt3n_tn49 oh that's nice, can you Tell me Something about your Story?
@@th1rt3n_tn49literally vivziepop cannot write angst properly or anything to do with romance
Esp same sex couples, LIKE WHERE IS THE LOVE??!
Ngl Chaggie doesn’t even feel like a real ship/ couple. Imo they have more of a “family friends” dynamic. But I mean… we know vivziepop can’t write female characters, so ofc she would make the only lesbian couple the most bland of all. At the least she didn’t fetishize it tho, so it automatically gets more points than the other ships 💀
Agree
Hey! Lemme just apologize for putting my shitty Loomian Legacy gameplay, istg Hazbin / Helluva videos are annoying asf bc some clips get copyrighted and some don’t, so I usually put mostly gameplay to keep things safe. Plz let me know if you guys don’t like the gameplay because I will try to find a workaround! Thanks everyone for your patience and support!! I love you!!
Edit; IM SO FUCKING SORRY FOR THE DISCORD CALL SOUNDS SHOULD I REUPLOAD IM SORRY😭😭😭
And btw something I forgot to mention for Fizz x Ozzie, when being held at gunpoint by Striker, Fizz says “is it bad that I’m getting hard?” … look man I’m sorry to be sensitive but you have a boyfriend bro 😭😭 my bad I forgot to mention that but yeah that shit bothered me. “They love eachother so much” then why would you tell another man that he turns you on when you have a boyfriend?
Second edit I fucking forgot to talk about Cherri and Pentious 😭😭, I mean they also don’t have too many scenes together but I think it’s like alright?
Hey did they ever fix that one problem where you couldn't level up your loomians?
I can see the argument that sometimes even if you are in a relationship, you can still find other people attractive. It's just the human reaction to have and it's not really a betrayal unless you act on it by cheating.
That being said though, Fizz was definitely being disrespectful for saying he was being aroused by his kidnapper / potential murder when it's established he's basically in a positive loyal relationship with Ozzy.
i jumped to the sound of the discord call 💀💀
@@Dingus-69420uhhh I think so?do you mean in general or passed level 50?
@@imgalxe In general, where the loomians don't get any xp if they are not in battle. It's not really a problem but I just don't wanna constantly switch out my loomians in battle just so they can get Xp cause it uses up turns.
10:06 This.
I was expecting a crime couple type of thing with fizz and ozzie with fizz as the wildcard and ozzie the more level headed one but both still wicked (team rocket jessie and james style maybe) but nah, honestly if fizz didnt have Alex Birghtman's voice id probably forget that he was an adult man
Honestly, I don't really hate the fizz x ozzy dynamic (my opinion, please don't come after me 😅) in the show right now, even if I think it could use some minor adjustments. But I would have really liked *this* kind of dynamic
Hot take: a LOT if not most of the mlm ships in the Helluvaverse would've been much better as platonic relationships. Especially Huskerdust, but also Stolitz and Fizzarolli imo, and more:
Because firstly, it would've been very interesting to see a business like relationship with Ozzie and Fizz, having in mind how Fizz has had experience in the ring of greed and in its aggressively financial environment, it would've been very cool seeing him back up Ozzie with his business in the practical sense. Adding on as a reliable colleague and even as a good friend, as time passed by.
And secondly, Stolitz would've been more interesting and ground breaking if they made it platonic. Having the toxic traits of the transactional relationship (having them acknowledged and recognized as wrong by the show too would've been great) and mainly having them slowly become friends and lose interest in the deal made as they try to take on a healthy kind of found friendship in their hardship. Connecting over things like being a struggling father figure trying their best to care for their daughters, genuinely, but being somewhat misguided or lost in what to do. Among other things, like Blitzø seeing that being loved isn't just romantic or sexual in nature, or Stolas having Blitzø as a grounding presence amidst the turmoil and slowly letting go of his prejudices towards the lower classes and imps in general.
Also, Huskerdust should've been a found family type of dynamic. I will die on this hill, and I find it kinda creepy how people still ship them.
And finally, I think RadioApple is also good as a reluctant or truce-like relationship. Not romantic or anything, but I would've enjoyed a hesitant alliance in desperate times with both of them greatly. Especially regarding each other's relationship surrounding Charlie (Also because I respect immensely Alastor's status as an aroace and morally ambiguous character, and mostly don't ship RadioApple as well)
But all things considered, I think it would've been great to see such a variety of platonic relationships. And having them being platonic between men would've mattered a lot, in my opinion, showcasing mutual growth, positive masculinity, or interesting dynamics in general, that don't quite need to always end up well. But I still personally stand over the fact that media needs to show positive platonic relationships between men, instead of shipping them together immediately, or most of the time.
in my own take Stolas and Asmodeus treat their imps as lackeys or henchmen in which they boss Blitzo and Fizz around and have do stuff, Blitzo hates Stolas and Stolas abuses Blitzo and IMP as a whole while Fizz loves both Asmodeus and Mammon because of their sinister ad evil ways and their love of hurting humanity with bad desires
And why that exactly?
@@Ebh55. me? or this fella?
@@hubertberrum6242 This fella.
@@Ebh55. oh ok
4:42
I think blitz does not like stolas in the slightest, what he has is something similar to Stockholm syndrome. Blitz isn’t used to being treated with any sort of ‘affection’ so after a while with stolas, his brain sort of ties nights with stolas = good and loving. He may not believe himself, but subconsciously that is partially why blitz was scared and confused when stolas gave him the offer of ‘you don’t have to have this anymore.’
i dont get how girls can like huskerdust. Like, I know most viewers of HH are young, but even so, it's pretty common to get sexually harassed. Like genuinely if a man ever treated me like how angel treats the other men- I'd stab a bitch.
SA, and sexual harassment are sexual harassment regardless of gender.
SO GLAD YOU EXIST TO MAKE THESE VIDEOS!!!
THIS THIS THIS I WISH I COULD PIN THIS
pretty sure one of hazbin hotel animators has a fetish for r@pe
A lot of women actually don’t view male/male relationships as abusive/problematic because they’re… well men. I remember even seeing a bunch of fujoshis brag about how they only read gay abusive ships and not straight ones because they can’t see men as victims
@ THIS!!!
@ that’s so weird to me. Like I’m a girl and never found abuse sexy or anything. Plus, it’s kinda obvious what he’s doing…were they not uncomfortable?
Literally, that’s my issue with Fizz x Asmodeus ship. At first during their introduction ep at the club unlike most I thought Asmodeus treated Fizz like a pet and didn’t have any actual romantic feelings for him. But turns he apparently did and he just likes treating him like a small helpless animal 😬
THIIIIIIIIIIIIIS ‼‼‼I feel like the only reason these ships are so loved and praised is because they're all queer somehow, I assure you that if all of these were straight couples then there would be little to no hype and the issues these couples have would be a LOT clearer, but cuz it's people of the same gender then it doesn't matter as much if not at all?? It's a pattern I noticed in a lot of fandoms and I never understood why it makes such a big difference
It's not really because of that...
@@Ebh55. Fair, I only said so cus I've seen countless fandoms only worship couples because of it
vivziepop = huge queerbait flag
No you’re right it’s absolutely because of that. Look at how quickly people turned on Millie/Moxxie when it turned toxic or how fans don’t give a shit about Bee/Rex (or whatever tf that dudes name is)
@@Birdyboys Not really.
0:54
Millie x Moxxie 9/10
•This ship was better in the beginning of the series to be honest. I wish we could get more of their dynamic and more Millie character development
2:01
Stolas x Blitzo 0/10
• This ship gave me toxic vibes since day one. I never feelt comfortable with them together, it just reminded me of an old relationship. I think they’re better as exes.
5:38
Husk x Angel 7/10
• This ship has good potential but it’s the writing who kinda wrecked it up. But other than that i like that in canon but most in fanon.
8:34
Ozzie x Fizzarolli 8/10
• Pretty wholesome, a more healthy version of Stolitz but they’re pretty stereotypical.
12:35
Charlie x Vaggie 4/10
• Pretty good but pretty bland. Charlie barely listens to Vaggie and Vaggie has no other intrest other than helping her girlfriend
15:00
Bee x Vortex 8/10
• Not enough screen time, but on screen, fairly good
15:31
Alastor x Lucifer 0/10
• No, i don’t like the concept of This ship, if they got together i think it would be just as toxic as Stolitz.
16:18
Vox x Val 9/10
• They’re sooo toxic but perfect match.
I agree completely
Vox and Val deserved each other in my opinion
@@letsparty3106 Agree
I agree with all your takes
@@hubertberrum6242 Good we’re both on the same paige
“ B-B-But Angel had trauma from Val!!! He’s hypersexual for that reason!!“ Gang that doesn’t excuse the fact that he literally harassed Husk in previous episodes- He was giving him hints that he was uncomfortable with his actions
THANK GOD I FOUND MY PLACE HERE, i don’t like fizz/ozz and i always feel like i’ll get witch hunted for saying that. You made such good points and the two cents i’ll put in for it on why i don’t like it, is for one- i despise their “Crooked” song. that... is an awful trash pile, the lyrics are so degrading and really make me cringe. Ozz starts off by naming flaws Fizz has like his “crooked horns, crooked grin, a crooked horni freaky little jester...” that’s such a weird way to start a love song when Fizz was already feeling insecure btw, then fizz just says, “Youre a deadly sin” which is true but then Ozz goes on to say, “And i don’t wanna hear another damn word about win, win, win,” but the way he says it sounds like he’s saying Fizz was whining rather than taking his feelings seriously? Ozz then goes on to say he thinks he’s messy (very nice) and that he’s messy himself although unsurprisingly Ozz never mentions what’s messy about himself like... ?? (at least in loser baby we got both equal things on why they’re a mess) Fizz then says, “I don’t know why you waste your time on me” and Ozz just says... “Baby, all i got is time!” instead of literally saying anything else like he’s not a waste of time???? Fizz says, “When there’s so much i’ll never be” and Ozz just laughs cause it’s funny to see your partner be insecure right? Ozz then says there’s so much Fizz cant see, and Fizz with a very sweet hopeful smile asks, “What can’t I see?” like he genuinely wants to hear it but Ozz just says, “Youre a broken record, don’t you ever shut your crooked little lips?” and Fizz just forgets it and says, “What do you want me to do with my lips?” and that’s it... it’s just ew... if my partner talked to me that way (or rather sang) i’d say bye! cause nahhh, not to mention Fizz says to Blitz in the episode ‘Oops!’ that he’s not broken but in the next episode that’s what he hears that he’s crooked and whatever. idk there’s so much more i wanna say but i’ll leave it at that and just say i dislike them a lot and Blitz x Fizz 4ever ❤️ sorry for the rant
WE'RE RUNNING FROM THE WITCH HUNTS WITH THIS ONE!!!! 🗣🗣🗣
I think fans who personally relate to Blitzø and Stolas simply have a hard time accepting that the characters are toxic and have serious flaws that they would have to improve if they wanted a healthy relationship. Which is exactly why people shouldn't become so attached to fictional characters, they take the criticism as their own
Let me sat the record straight people who are “True” Blitzo fan like me do call out Blitzøs flaws and toxic personality and the effects it has on people but understand the context on how he end up being this person that doesn’t excuse his actions but we want to see him healthy improve as a person not only with himself but with the people around him
@@jameswalker6724in order to do that he would have to surround himself with people that are positive influence for him (Moxie and Millie can count ig?).That’s a task ik will be harder for him, because from what we’ve seen is that it’s a toxic environment to be in where the place is set here, there’s at least gotta be some people that at least haven’t lost themselves due to unfortunate events in their past lives til now or can help get past through the traumatic experiences by acceptance. Up until now it’s not Blitz’s fault for having to be born into a world of brokenness/ corruption, he wasn’t taught right, the people (his *Dad* his mom was the one that at least was caring and the positive parent) that he thought he can look up to were supposed to be his role model/ protector/ salvation/ peace for him didn’t care or try to make an effort to to do what is best and teach him about good morals.
we are getting canceled with this one!
@@kitkutv495 STOP MAKING FUNNY COMMENTS I WISH I COULD PIN THEM ALL😭😭😭😭
@@imgalxethis whole comment section has some good Humor ngl😂
@@laurav5767ik lmao
Guys quick theory: Blitz and Fizz were supposed to originally be together. HEAR. ME. OUT. Stolas in the pilot was originally supposed to be a villain but then Viv started to consider making Blitz and Stolas a thing because haha fanart and stuff as said in an interview I forgot where though. Not only that, she talked it over with Brandon and Stolas' voice actor,(forgot his name) and they thought it was cute so they allowed it. That's why she said the pilot is no longer cannon because they were trying to write Stolas out as a villain at first but they now wanted to make him Blitz' love interest. My proof on how I think fizz and blitz were supposed to be a couple? Well before viewing likes on Twitter was removed, Viv Iiteraly liked blitz x fizz art on Twitter and why would you do that if you already had your mind set on something? And I think Ozzie and Fizz were poorly written because Ozz just became a fill-in for Fizz so he won't be single and you know, to give Stolitz shippers hope and hey, it worked!! So sorry for the essay but my points needa be heard!! Plus I used to ship Stolitz so you gyatta listen to meeee!!!!
I completely agree with what you said, and I mean, I know Vizie is an Indie artist and has been gaining experience in writing now, but I think she cares too much about Fandom approval.Of course the fans' opinion is important, but it seems like she cares more about the ramcom part
@ fr, she shows this multiple times like the Radiodust turning into Huskerdust
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BLITZO X FIZZ!!!
@@badmaidz wait your saying their was gotta be radiodust moments in the show were did you found that
@ not really where,it was just hinted at like Fizz and Blitz until the random switch up
My favorite ship was sir pentious' airship; it was neat!
Until it got annihilated
I also hate how Stolas not only objectifies blitz but in the Loo Loo land ep he does it multiple times In front of his daughter.
I think Vivzie is just an INCREDIBLY poor writer, especially when it comes to relationships. She’s stuck in her amateur Wattpad writing ways and refuses to write a compelling ship without it sucking.
Ironic how in a gay-focused show the straight relationship is the most healthy
Oh Blitzø, the show and the fandom could never make me hate you
@@bumblebeeproductions1673 REAL
REAL 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Just a note about the Vox and Val ship, it’s been shown multiple times that Val is very very abusive towards Vox in old insta posts like Vox had a broken screen because Val punched him so yeah, awful ship 😭
Their relationship is basically that one toxic couple who would always argue and "break up" but get back together because they were either insecure being single or the sex was just that good.
Vivzie confirmed the insta posts aren't canon anymore /gen
That's why I like It imo. They're both assholes and act like It.
Oh i didn't have instagram so i liked the ship
@@CARNATIONZ That's why I like It, they're terrible ppl together lmao
I agree with a lot of this, especially the points about stolitz and huskerdust. I have to mention about Alastor being aromantic though.
While he has been explicitly confirmed asexual, he is also heavily implied to be aromantic as well, and on the averse side of those spectrums. Rosie was talking about dating being off the table when she joked about Charlie being too young for him, not just sex, and with Alastor not even being aware of what asexuality and aromanticism is, it is extremely unlikely she would be so confident that he's asexual if Alastor had confused the matter for them both in having much of an interest of a partner of any kind. He has also only ever reacted to the subject with disinterest or disgust.
There's meta evidence for it as well. The only reason Vivzie hasn't confirmed Alastor’s aromanticism is to avoid the huge backlash they got from fans who want to ship him when Amir said he was aroace, which is queerbaiting. As a result, while it isn't necessarily wrong to ship him as long as canon is respected, as an aroace myself I do still feel uncomfortable with how much he gets shipped and sexualised with "aro/ace people can still date/have sex" and "it was never confirmed he was aromantic" being used as excuses.
Not to mention that Alastor is a crazy psychopath and is definitely one for manipulating and coercing people. I can't see how ANY relationship with him and Charlie wouldn't get abusive.
@darkjazzygirl8569 it's like how every autistic persons autism is different from others. It's a spectrum. Some autistic people have exceptional intelligence, and some others are intellectually disabled. You can't assume that one trait for one person will apply to all.
@darkjazzygirl8589 @william3100 couldn't agree more
@darkjazzygirl8569 @william3100 couldn't agree more
As a qpr radioapple shipper i dont want alastor ib a relationship with anyone in canon because that just seems his thing but fanon wise i like radioapple
My hellaverse dissing king is back
He's spitting facts, bro
GRAB THE POPCORN YALL. TWITTER ABOUT TO SHIT THEMSELVES
I personally don’t think Chaggie is a good ship but it is a bit embarrassing on Viv’s part that the only reason it feels more genuine is because she very clearly does not care about sexualizing sapphic relationships. I actually don’t agree with the take that it’s good that they aren’t very sexual because 1) they canonically DO have sex apparently and 2) the only reason fans think they don’t even do any physically intimate things together is because the show doesn’t want to sexualize them because that’s the only way this show knows how to write sexual intimacy. By objectifying her characters.
Go touch some grass bird
I feel the same way about the age gap between Angel and Husk. They're both adults so technically it's legal, but to me Husk looks like a grandpa compared to Angel and like you said, he seems more like his mentor than lover. It just makes me uncomfortable somehow, and for that reason, I never really liked this ship. Also I think he called Angel "kid" at some point?? which makes it even creepier to me
They are still both adults.
@@Ebh55. Yeah that's literally what I said
@@HowWasTheFalll Then what makes you uncomfortable?
@@Ebh55. I explained it in my comment
@@HowWasTheFalll There’s actually the justification of them being born in the same era but dying at drastically different times. Still, I don’t like ships at all.
My thoughts:
Fizz × Blitz is better and makes more sense.
Angel dust should not be overly victimized and should work on himself before getting into ANY relationships.
Stolas also needs to work on himself and maybe get with that Incubus guy in apology tour and start over.
sorry i didnt really watch the show but arent fizz and blitz siblings? and i heavily agree with angel dust he needs to acknowledge his problems before literally anything else
@@heiroferk No they are not siblings..
Yeah, make them get together even though blitzø completely scarred fizz for life and completely altered the course of his life. Like two people who genuinely care for each other where one of them put their whole job position and life at risk just to defend their partner? Ew cringe, abusive, toxic. Oh but making someone who nearly killed the other get together, that is like so healthy, like relationship goals right there, like honestly everyone would want that kind of relationship ngl.
@@cupoftea3499 So its better to be in a relationship with a hypersexual owl man who makes 90% of the relationship about sex, is constantly humiliating you, and straight up goes to a party where people hate you and want you to die??
@@cupoftea3499 Did you've even seen the episode who was for them ?
Looks like you're just hating Blitzø for no reason or you're just really bad at braining.
Vivziepop quoted herself that they shouldn't romanticized between an abuser and a victim but meanwhile she did it.. and it disgusted me.. I'm not saying that I'm being homophobic it's just.. I didn't like when Vivziepop made it worse.
15:30 sorry for who ships it but... F*CK THIS SH*T, THE FANARTS ARE ALWAYS SEXUAL, I HAVE SEEN ONES, "WHY ITS ALWAYS A SEX THING"
(One of best striker quotes actually, at least for me)
Why they can be shipped without sex
@@fnf.selene all my viewers are so based
@@imgalxealso btw, youtube deleted my about huskerdust thing, soo.... i can't actually understand why people doesn't care about age gap, its like shipping a 50 years old with a kid(with 10 years💀), its the sams gap
@fnf.selene it's not the same as shipping it with a kid, a kid is a minor, angel is an adult. I feel like that wasn't worded right, but I agree, the age gap is definitely weird
@@Yaelokreloveryippe at least you get my point 😃👍
@@fnf.selene yuh❗️❗️🔥🔥👍
10:09 Real. When I first watched S1 E7 I was actually interested in Fizz X Ozzie. They looked like this cool villain couple who had a blast just being complete assholes to other people but constantly supported each other during their performances like they did in the "House of Asmodeus" song. Basically a "big evil guy X gremlin who's the only person he respects" type of dynamic.
But after season 2 it just felt like they threw that dynamic out of the window to make it a "UwU soft hepless little feminine boy X big strong daddy who needs to protect him all the time" type of ship instead, which just feels super generic especially when all of the M/M couples in HH/HB (Stolitz, Huskerdust, and now this one) feel like they all have that same dynamic.
I don't even think it's just a coincidence anymore, especially when all of those couples even have the same sexualities (the soft UwU boy is always a gay men and the big strong daddy is always pansexual. The representation in the Hellaverse is... questionable at best).
I've expressed concerns about Huskerdust. Husk works better as a mentor or father figure to Angeldust than an actual partner. That, and this relationship is doomed to fail BECAUSE OF THE STORY.
Angel can't get close to someone because he's a sex worker and is owned by Valentino. Valentino is petty, abusive, and possessive, and would probably try to kill Husk if he found out.
Husk is also owned by Alastor and Alastor is also vindictive. Alastor would likely try and keep Husk away from Angel or vice versa because Alastor hates Angel.
Viv either didn't think this through or set these up to fail.
Stolitz and Fizzmodeus have NO chemistry. none. Neither of them. They feel SO shoehorned in.
B and Vortex also have the major class difference like the other ones, it's so weird with how it's written like- THE SYSTEM IS IMPORTANT RIGHT? :'D
Yeah, HB has such inconsistent writing in their lore, but I found that part to be the most confusing. Why is it that everyone else in the show is bullying Stolas/Blitz and Ozzie/Fizz for being couples, but they give Vortex and Bee a pass? Like, okay, on the surface it makes sense because Stolas is married and is flaunting his cheating. But his marriage gets retconned so like... why should we care at that point anymore?
And they gossip about Ozzie and Fizz, but like... Ozzie is the representation of lust. And lust and love have some connections with each other, it's also clear they still have an active sexual relationship. Wouldn't it make sense for Ozzie to have multiple lovers, regardless of their status? Not to mention he is a prince of hell, same with Bee, and she is in a relationship with a hellhound, who is lower in status compared to imps. Shouldn't she be criticized more for being with a mutt than Ozzie is for doing what he is supposed to?
They could do so much with the class system but they only do the bare minimum. How does the upper class and lower class interact with each other beyond romantic and transactional relationships? Also do the lower class care as much as the upper class about hell.
In my AU, Fizz and Ozzie never meet. Ozzie is basically Valentino towards Angel Dust. (I bent the rules to make it work) Stolas is a villain who is basically a yandere toward Blitzø. Blitzø x Fizz is canon, and a bunch of other things I forgot about at the moment.
YESS blitz x fizz especially big W !!!!
Blitz x Fizz could Work, but Vivienne prefers her Toxic Uwu Yaoi ships to Happen.
@@laurav5767 so unfortunate when there’s SO much potential there but nahh Viv wants to romanticize that garbage and feed off the fans by promoting merch of it and stuff, so gross
@@starrylightz yeah, that's really disgusting.
that's almost how my own take is like
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE THAT AGREES ABOUT ALASTOR'S SEXUALITY AND THE IDEA OF SHIPPING HIM-
when people see a ship that they don't like with alastor:
But he's aroace so he can't date!
When they see a ship ghat they do:
BUT he's aroace BUT he can still feel attraction...
(Not you lol- just those peeps-)
not the notification jumpscare at 6:13 😭😭
IKR
IM SORRY PLZ READ PINNED CONMENT
@@imgalxe NONO YOUR FINE IT JUST SURPRISED ME 😭😭
i lowkey got scared for a moment
i thought someone was calling me lol
The fact vivziepop makes all her lesbian ships so uwu wholesome!! So cute smol bean!! And all her gay ships harder dadddyyyy oh I’ve been a bad boyyy spank me says a lot abt her as a person
If it was the other way around wouldn’t you still be mad at her? /gen
@@adrienneczerni6516yes. It'd still be bad the other way
@@adrienneczerni6516 no because she's supposedly into women, so her "fetishizing" (we need to put this word away for a while) wlw in fiction is par for the course. If you're into chicks I'd sure hope you'd give them a well written fucknasty bedroom life, one obviously written from a wlw pov.
But she's not a gay or bisexual man and cannot write to save her bacon, so her mlm ships are held under different scrutiny glasses.
It’s extra weird to me that the only healthy couples are the straight couple and the weirdly sanitized lesbian couple
for two shows that claim to have such great rep, viv seems to be unable to make a queer pairing that isn’t toxic or unhealthy in some way. don’t even get me started on the “BuT thEy’Re iN HeLl sO THey BaD” genius takes 💀 as a bi woman, even the MAIN wlw pairing of Hazbin is so incredibly lacking in anything that i forget vaggie exists half the time
Ngl, the show just feels like a animated version of some teenagers' fanfiction
I love the idea of husk and angel as friends, and more of a father-son like relationship.
I would like it but depending on how angel did treat him-
Thank you for talking about these ships because.. i am also not a big shipper but overall im glad these ships got pretty called out from the bad and the good so, I'll rate how i feel about them..
Moxxie x Millie is an 8/10-
This ship is pretty good in like the first season, the second season, i kinda lost interest in them also, but they're still an 'Okay' relationship!
Stolas x Blitzo 0/10-
I used to ONLY like this ship, just cause it was poplar and i was holding back the hate for it, but so glad stolas is now getting called out, he truly does not deserve blitzo at all, it pains me to see people forgetting that blitzo is technically a pr*stitute for stolas, selling himself for the book and the show just made us forget that pulling a "Childhood friendship" bullsh*t, the way stolas acts towards blitzo is so disgusting and annoying and people also forget that ONE thing blitzo said at the end of season 1 ep 7 that's my opinion!
Angel x Husk 1/10-
Few reasons because, i don't like their 40 year age gap, because in my opinion the farthest you can go in age gap WHEN YOU BECOME AN ADULT is 20 years, past that is too far and i also do not like the way Angel treats husk at times with the Sexual Harassment he tends to give husk, its very annoying and disgusting, I don't really like Angel Dusk either he's not a really good written S*xual Ass*lt character, but maybe they can be better as friends!
Huskerdust Edit: I felt like this ship was also kinda forced with the show and the fans of them, ANOTHER OF MY OPINION!
Fizzarolli x Ozzie 7/10-
This ship is pretty healthy but i also agree it's very stereotypical, i cringe so hard at the times fizz and ozzie talked at times..
Charlie x Vaggie 5/10-
I haven't even finished the show, but from here, Charlie and Vaggie seem like a pretty 'Okay' relationship.
Bee x voretex 8/10-
From what I've seen, these 2 have a pretty good relationship and i hope to see more of them in the future.
Alastor x Lucifer 0/10-
No, because 1. I don't really ship alastor with ANYONE, 2. Lucifer has a wife, 3. Idk this ship just doesn't work for me.
Valentino x Vox 0/10-
I'm sorry but I don't wanna a ship a S*xual Abuser with someone else, even if Vox is just as bad as him, I don't feel like this ship would work for me..
THAT'S MY OPINION FOR ALL OF THESE!
I agree with you so much on Vox x Val 😭 they're both awful people yes, but it still doesn't sit right with me to ship a literal 🍇ist with anyone
I don’t even see Val as falling in love with anyone
@@Octo_MoraTrue he would obviously trick a dummy into falling in love with him and then manipulate abuse them in the process, I also hate how he's treated as a "Cool Villain", when he's literally an abuser which honestly disgusts me..
My main problem with Stoliz is not that it's a toxic ship, because damn, the narrative really does take place in hell. What bothers me about Stoliz is that the series itself tries to treat it as if the Blitz was the biggest culprit for their bad relationship, but Blitz is clearly a person who NEEDS that to survive, even if "Stolas didn't have the intention of manipulating" he acted in a predatory manner, maybe it could be something better with an arc in which Stolas realizes what it's like to be in the place of a lower class/Imp. And what makes me LOVE VoxVal and hate Stoliz is exactly that, Valentino and Vox are horrible people and at no point are they treated as victims by the narrative or treated as "just one abusive side", both have an understanding of who they are involved with and if Vox wanted to he could end Valentino, but even so, they have a healthier relationship than most of the "healthy" couples in HH and HB, besides the "couple of horrible villains who are even worse together 💓" dynamic
As a fellow Helluverse hater this channel is so fun to watch
Love the JJBA reference.
Youre fr right about Stolas being a much more manipulative/bad than Blitz in their relationship. BUT THANK YOUUUU I like the Husker/angel dynamic but i like them as mentor/younger one kinda thing or father/son thing. But the age gap/maturity difference is like it makes me uncomfy. And thats not even touching on the assault.
And ozzy and fizz is so right too!!! Like class difference/power imbalance. And like i also hate being coddled by my partners (to that extent). I actually got into a fight with my partner once because of the fear of coddling/being belittled in that way.
wow, thank you for defending chaggie! i wasn't expecting them to get brought up at all, let alone this! i love vaggie and i hate how people think she has nothing going for her, but even if it was true that they're bland/underdeveloped, at least just vaggie, then i'm quite confident their writing will be improved over the course of the next three upcoming seasons. i personally liked the whole conflict arc they had in episodes six and seven, i found it interesting.
I feel like the only way I could ever like huskerdust is if angel does heal and atone for his actions and properly apologise and husk actually thinking about if he should forgive him and not just “nah, it’s ok, it’s ur trauma response” or something. Having them hint towards the ship while angel has only just started his arc feels like fan service.
Oh and the show would have to treat husk like an actual character rather than angels support system, but I feel like that’ll never happen
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as someone who wants more MLM relationships in media because I am MLM myself, I hate that most of the canon MLM relationships in the show are badly written.
its so bad i genuinely think its kind of funny
Me too tbh.
I love the version of Stolas that lives in my head. A genuine person with his own marital issues and duty as an Ars Goetia while also being a kind person. Also he’s a BADASS. I mean it when I say I feel like I can change this show for the better and it is not difficult to. I’m sure I could keep every plot point that Viv wanted and also make the show good. Except for the Fizz stuff, cuz really that could be just one episode and then an exclusive on the side that doesn’t interrupt the flow of the show. Being so deadass rn I can fix this show and it will be easier than writing the current project I’m working on.
Idek how people find radioapple anywhere close to being an appealing ship, like, lucifer is a married mf aint he????
REAL REAL
Honestly I know this ship isn't the greatest either but I would rather have Verosika X Blitz than Stolitz ANYDAY.
Blitz has had some serious character development and growth and I think if him and Verosika gave it another go it'd turn out better in the end. At least I'd love to see them become friends and kick Stolas to the curve together.
- Certified Stolas hater
First line of defense in case fans of these ships appear on Twitter 🗣️
And btw, In the case of Vaggie and Charlie, I feel like people think that because it feels like Vaggie doesn't relate to the rest of the cast, she even seems to get annoyed with the rest of the hotel members very quickly, Also, Vaggie's development feels somewhat rushed, since from one moment to the next she and Charlie already reconcile (like Half a chapter almost) And of course her origin story only seems to have been crafted to make the exorcists look even more evil (I think those are some reasons)
The Bee x Tex ship is pretty convoluted considering the world building in helluva and how Bee is responsible for the hellhound orphanages ie her signature on the adoption papers.
laws face perfectly represents me when i see stolas being percieved as the good guy by fans
I really don’t see the appeal with huskerdust at all.
I’m guessing that it’s popular because husk can read him very well and angel can feel like he can maybe talk to him about his struggles without feeling too exposed or embarrassed, but other than that I really don’t fucking get it.
Striker x Chaz is huskerdust done right, and there's no freaky age gapp
I liked this video. It actually made me think a bit more about the ships in Hazbin and Helluva Boss, even though I personally am not invested in any of them.
Yes but her only porpuse even in the show is being Charlie’s girlfriend. She can’t even focus on herself. 13:25
If someone showed me a Fizz x Ozzie scene out of context I would genuinely think that Ozzie is Fizz’s father 💔
Twitter gonna have a meltdown with this one🗣️🔥
also yeah i always found it weird when ozzie said to fizz “you’ll never have to go outside again” or sm like that
11:20 also same with bee and vortex but eh
back in middle school i knew people who acted EXACTLY like fizz and ozzie. Broke up after a month
the fact that a grown woman thinks this is what relationships are like baffles me
As a massive shipper even I don’t like a single ship in the helluverse… I don’t understand why the ships in these two shows are so popular when there are way cuter, less toxic ships to enjoy elsewhere
Stolitz as a ship ruined this show and you will never change my mind.
Striker x blitz would've been far less toxic ngl
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Striker literally had a knife to Blitz's back, you actual psycho.
YESS... I'm sorry but someone who doesn't like Radioapple... 😭😭😭 I needed this...
My favorite ship is Stolas x Blitz’s restraining order
i literally wish angel wasn't like... characterized like that? the only way i ship huskerdust is when their relationship is written just. differently. Ugh they would be so good together why is angel written like that😭 like he can be hypersexual but from what others have said and personal experience with my friends hypersexual's don't just assault people????? LIKE CAN THEY BOTH JUST BE A NORMAL FRIENDS TO LOVERS TROPE PLEASEEEEE🙏🙏🙏🙏
edit:omfg thought husk died in his 50's NVMMM OMG NAH☠️☠️☠️☠️
now that I think about it, fizzmodeus gives age play vibes 🤢🤢
I could never get behind Chaggie. I have to agree that Vaggie is barely a character on par with Millie. Everything about her circles back to Charlie in some form with very little agency outside of it. She doesn’t have her own aspirations or motivations that aren’t linked to Charlie. Both her songs are about doubling down on only existing for Charlie and her love for Charlie.
And the angel twist really pissed me off because no one in the writing room thought through the implications at all. Vaggie being not only an exorcist, but as Adam state’s one of his “best girls”? So a star soldier and killer for Heaven’s genocide on Hell’s sinners? Something she lies about for the ENTIRETY of her three year relationship with Charlie? That she had no intention of EVER being honest about had she not been exposed?
I get that Charlie is forgiving, but is forgiving genocide a lesson we should be teaching? It’s especially insulting and gross in the current climate. And Viv’s later commentary made it worse in specifying that the reason Vaggie never told Charlie was because “she was afraid she’d lose her” if she knew. So she kept it secret not because she realized her actions were wrong or was ashamed of her past, but because she didn’t want to lose her relationship built on a lie?
Charlie isn’t much better. Not only does she ignore Vaggie’s advice at literally every turn on top of disregard Vaggie’s boundaries as well. And for someone who claims to care about her people, she’s a bit quick to forgive one of the ones responsible for killing a bunch of her citizens who also lied to her about it. Never mind how she was more upset about being lied to than, I don’t know, THE DEATHS OF ALL HER PEOPLE ON VAGGIE’S HANDS.
But because it’s sapphic, people will ignore and downplay and justify any and all toxicity.
this is kinda why I ship Vaggie with Angel Dust
@@hubertberrum6242 vaggie is lesbian and angel dust is gay though? I'm not being rude I'm just wondering why them of all people
@@hubertberrum6242 erm did you know that in the first episode, Angel Dust sexually harasses her. That’s basically immoral. ☝️🤓
@@rawumber6740 I only ship them because of old art that Vivz herself did
@@hubertberrum6242 yeah that makes sense. She did have those old zoophobia ideas before moving them into the hell stuff.
I think I'm starting to hate both these shows now. I haven't bothered to continue watching either of them after a certain point, but to be honest, I'm glad I haven't.
its a challenge to get through any episode without cringing atleast once
Ehh; personally I thought Vaggie's huge reveal was rushed, like many other things within the show. It also doesn't make sense to me that everyone around her seems to be perfectly fine with her being a fallen angel.
Yeah; I guess it make a lil semblance of sense that Charlie quickly forgave her for hiding that secret from her for all these years. That's just how Charlie is tho, she quickly forgives anything bad that happened to her EXCEPT for the exterminations. I mean; just look at how quickly her and Lucifer kissed and made up?!
Ok but.. the fact that you have to say ,,its my opinion” over and over again just SHOWS how awful most of the fandom is
It just aint fun anymore
Yeah dude I know 😭😭
At a point it's best to go whatever and not care, they dont get to make you convert to their side and just abandon how you feel.
@@artistanthony1007 yea ig I learned that the hard way. Its kinda hard to not give up once youre ,,too deep” into it
Thas just my view on it nothing else
The fact there's even a trigger warning for an opinion, can't wait to see all those crazy fujoshi fans of this show burn this video XD
And yeah I agree with everything in this video, especially about how glorified and fetishized the mlm relationships of this show are both in canon and outside, it's like Viv can't write a single gay relationship without it being problematic and overly sexual.
Blitz x Fizz is def preferable to me. 🤭 Childhood friends to Lovers !
love that trope
BLITZ FIZZ GUYS🙏🙏🙏 WE STAN
Just one little defense for Stolas. When he French kissed the “Better Than Blitzø” guy, he was drunk, so he didn't know what he was doing
All I see is Viv making him drunk to make an excuse that he cares and that isnt him doing it, this is not the first time being drunk is used to prove that this isnt the person.
@@artistanthony1007real
Wasn’t he also drunk when Blitzo seduced him lmao? seems like an avoiding accountability crutch
I don’t know why, but I love Stolas, his design, voice, his personality… needs work, but still. I wish he was used more sparingly instead of Stolitz being the main plot of the show, though.
As someone writing a slow burn, it seems to me that Vivzie does not care about her characters enough to see their flaws consistently.
Blitzø hates himself. Okay and?
Stolas is privileged. Okay and?
For a slow burn to work, sure you can have internal conflicts, but without enough external conflicts pressuring the pairing, it quickly becomes just toxicity.
I don’t mean to toot my own horn or brag about my own writing, but I’d like to compare some of my own writing decisions with Vivzie’s, to give people a better understanding of the inner workings of writing something like this.
When my female lead faces her trauma regarding being taken advantage of, it’s strictly because of HER OWN history. Not because of anything the male lead has done. As much as she’s distrusting toward him, she’s still got respect for him as to not blame him for it.
When my male lead gets frustrated with her because she isn’t cooperating with him, he makes it a point to say,”I can’t blame you for what happened” and “I still respect you”.
These are both examples of a mutual respect the two have for eachother. That is not present in a lot of Vivzie’s relationships. I’m not saying every character has to be completely emotionally aware of everything. If Blitzø had simply blamed Stolas for acting like a royal shithead and Stolas WASNT acting like a royal shithead, and we got to see more trauma regarding Blitzø and his status as an imp, maybe that could change how we view this. But even then, Blitzø has so much hatred for Stolas’s standing, that it might be simply toxic either way.
And most importantly, there is NO CHEMISTRY. For the audience to continue being interested in the slow burn, you need to show moments where the couple would make a great pair if the external and internal conflicts weren’t there. For me, I had my leads looking at jewelry in a jewelry store and genuinely bonding over it. I had them talk about their histories and see what they had in common. I had the male lead find out a childish interest the female lead had and had his reaction be to talk about it with her.
What Vivzie doesn’t do is give us a reason to care.
Big dubs for you, my guy.
@JamWithOscar thank you
6:13 the discord ping caught me off guard. 😭😭😭
IM SORRY
@@imgalxe IT'S OK!!!!!!
Fizz and Ozzie were such a huge flop in my opinion, the dynamic that was presented in the Ozzie's episode felt way more interesting than the weird infantilizing stereotypical yaoi shit we got in the end. Fizz's fall from grace is so sad tbh he was cool like what happened. The second I saw that his leg prosthetics were drawn to look like STOCKINGS I knew it was over for him
I mean... I am pretty sure most if not all disabled people stylize their prosthetics? Like I don't know why that is a concern for someone to stylize their prosthetics for something they enjoy.
maybe you don't see it because you're not a lesbian but chaggie is literally just UHAUL + Lesbian Bed Death couple. They're verrrry stereotypical.
does Vivziepop even know how to write a gay man ship that isnt middle school wattpad BL? i havent seen her write ANY genuinely good MLM ships. i can excuse Fizzmodeus since they seem pretty happy but even still, that doesnt make it that great.
Tbh and this may be quite the accusation… I think she fetishizes them. After that whole controversy with the Angel Dust x Valentino situation and her calling it hot… I’m seeing her work and I’m seeing how oversexualized every mlm ship is.
@ yeah, i noticed that too. it’s weird.
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Imo, the age gab thing isn't as bad, because Angel died in the 1940s in his 30s and Husk died in the 1970s in his 70s, which means they have like, a 10 year age gap, which isn't really that bad. Although every other point is enough to deem the ship unhealthy.
Blitzø and husk maybe pansexual which means likes every gender/likes with different sexuals or smth doesn't mean they automatically dont have boundaries!?