When Victimhood Leads to Genocide - Prof. Jordan Peterson on Dekulakization
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2017
- In this excerpt of his lecture series “Maps of Meaning” psychology professor Jordan Peterson talks about an especially bleak and horrifying but relatively unknown episode in the history of the Soviet Union - the Dekulakization. He points out how enhanced victimization and the concept of class guilt ultimately led to genocide and the starvation of millions of people.
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To all who think this applies to BLM, remember that they have no way to harness the power of the state. A more apt analogy would be the CCP’s behaviour in xinjiang or in Hong Kong
I'll wait until you start issuing Mein Kampf II: Busting out of the Bunker.
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes."
- Mark Twain
okay but that actually gives me some hope for America lol
The indifference, or the often seen denial from more moderate Democrat /liberal friends is concerning.
Genocide is most always slow to boil.
I don’t know about that. In some cases it’s a perfect copy.
Nah Joe Biden's a moderate
He nailed it.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” - CS Lewis
I love CS Lewis writings. Humans suffer from a lack of equality; the equality of intelligence. And here we go again.
Which book is this from?
@@loganl8440 C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
@@spudpud-T67 Thanks!
@@loganl8440 Google is my friend, when its not silencing my freedom of expression.
I'm a university student and have never come across a professor who's had an impact on me quite like Dr Peterson. God bless him
That's no mistake. They don't allow any like him in Universities anymore. It's truly sad
Can you provide some examples of something fundamental that Jordan distinguishes about human behavior?
I‘m impressed how dr. Peterson puts emphasis on the story of Eastern Europe. That‘s not what academic curriculum in the West teaches.
Being wronged doesn't make you right.
Those who claim to be Jews sertinly seem to think so.
@@bicyclist2 lol. "Im a victim of imaginary Jewish corruption and subversion" so Im right. You ilk are very bad at finding contradictions
@@FormerPessitheRobberfan Can you prove it's imaginary? Or would you just like to think that, so you do.
@@Hypnopotimus27 the burden of proof is on you who believes it exists. Proving a negative is impossible.
Semaj's Opinion Is Bettern't No the burden of proof is still on you because you made the initial claim that there isn’t a jewish subversion. Proving a negative is also perfectly possible and occurs all the time in mathematics, you have to prove that the reverse is impossible. So congrats on using big words to prove your stupidity.
Dividing society into 2 groups and then blaming all the problems on one group doesn't end well.
Are you listening whites?.
@@michaelfern4079 Yea, we aren't doing that, we're not blaming anyone. just want peace. We're not the ones out there saying that society systemically oppresses us. We're not the ones with the rhetoric that demands the oppression must end by any means, even violence.
@@zxt5148 You can blame Marxist ideology, not any race
@@zxt5148
Is it 1997?
Were you in a coma the last 10 years? Is this your first month on the Internet? The extreme Right caught up again. They're just less straightforward about it.
@@ezakustam what are you on about?
This may be his most important point. It always amazes me that people can’t see this. Dividing people into groups per identity politics is always step one toward authoritarianism. The next step of labeling various groups as victims and oppressors is a step toward genocide.
1+1 = 2
Maybe, but in reality they made the borders of identity so vague any person can claim to be any identity, so its not exactly going to work. Also the identities in question do not have the capacity to commit genocide because they are not influential enough. It's hardly likely for example that the LGBTQ identity group for example is going to massacre a bunch of gun toting republicans. Yet for some reason the gun toting republicans think this might be the case. Honestly what are these "identity groups" going to do, shout you to death? It's laughable hyperbole at best.
My sincere appreciation and respect to Prof Peterson for mentioning these events in Ukraine! My great-grandfather had fields and had been making 3500 liters of wine every year to sell. He also had cows, horses, etc. But then anti-kulaks came and grandpa has been sent to Siberia where he died. Of course everything he had (land, goods, animals, etc.) has been stolen in a "legal" way.
God bless JP
Мой прапрадед тоже был кулаком (kulak). У него было пару лошадей и коров. Все отобрали.
А потом был голодомор.
Прадед знал, что так будет. Он пытался спрятать мешок зерна. Но соседи узнали об этом и доложили. Ночью за ним приехали, чтобы его сослать или расстрелять. Но он успел сбежать. Прабабушка осталась одна с 3 детьми. Младший умер от голода. Остальные были пухлыми от голода. Прабабушка по ночам искала рядом мышиные норы - в них было до жмени зерна. Но таких нор было мало, прабабушка поняла, что они все умрут и нужно уходить в другое место за едой. Они пошли из села в город. Практически всю дорога прабабушка несла 2 детей на себе, они были слабые. Они застали ночь в чужом селе. Люди раньше пускали путников, вот они и постучали в крайний дом. Но на стук открыли дверь в другом доме и силой их втащили к себе. Оказалось, в тот доме куда они стучались жили каннибалы. Много людей бежало от голода и в крайний дом все и стучали. Их пускали, но никто больше оттуда не выходил. Соседка каннибалов увидела моих предков пожалела женщину с маленькими детьми и буквально их спасла.
Они дошли до города, там был прапрадед, которого раскулачили. После того как у него все отобрали он начал жизнь с нуля и смог спрятать еду. Когда он увидел внуков с раздутыми животами, он спрятал еду и давал им есть по чайной ложке каждый час. Прабабушка не понимала, зачем он так мучает детей - есть же еда. Но он видел, что после голода люди умирали от обычной порции еды - это слишком много для них.
Моей бабушке было 4 года. До самой смерти она нервничала, если в доме нет еды. Обязательно должны были быть запасы муки, сахара, круп, консервов и хлеб. Она была просто помешана на хлебе. Если в доме не было пару буханок хлеба про запас она нервничала.
@@MV-cr4lj К сожалению, подобных историй слишком много. Причина им одна - империализм.
Cry me a river Kulak scum
Welcome to July 2020 where we see this theory beginning to play out.
Proctain Darkward Let us hope that our military has a large collection of individual thinkers who will see the enemy that is currently making strides on our own soil. When push comes to shove, if they simply follow orders, which will undoubtedly come from those embedded within the evil itself, we are doomed. We fear for our children’s future. We fear for our children.
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu I don't get it.
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu who Is quenn joRan of loBsterss.
In US. Not in other countries.
MSM are 5th columnists and killers now never forget this ever
Replace "class guilt" with "race guilt".
You see where I'm going. 💀
His speech reminds me of how trumpism has rotted the minds of so many americans. How they see themselves as victims of some Qanon conspiracy. Or how american evangelical christianity has twisted the minds of so many people that they see themselves as victims when other people around them don't share the same beliefs
It's the only way to get to communism in the US. They tried economic class, but America was to successful. So they had to convert their conflict theory into critical race theory. Which is the Trojan horse for communism
pure marxism. CLASS FIGHT. man x woman, worker x entrepreneur, black x white, gay x hetero, left x right, criminals x police, police x somebody and so on.
That is also how National Socialism works
@@jertdw3646 Q anon and modern leftism are radicals on opposite ends of the spectrum. Both hold to dangerous ideologies.
As a Ukrainian who was born in the soviet union, I deeply appreciate that the professor raised the tragedy of Holodomor. This is one of the most awful catastrophes in human history, which was created artificially by russians, and caused millions of deaths, but there are so few people who know about it... just imagine starving to death in one of the most efficient agrarian countries such as Ukraine, because communists where forcibly take all food from your family that you raised on your own land.
Horrifying..😥
And they’re currently working their arses off to turn the West in this direction. They’ve got a lot of people already effectively brainwashed.
@Djdjcjf Nfjsjxjcj You mean the Trotskyists?
@Djdjcjf Nfjsjxjcj Ah. We're going there, are we?
@Djdjcjf Nfjsjxjcj Because your opening premise was that it was because of them that fewer people knew about the Holodomor genocide, when in fact quite a lot of those very people died alongside their gentile neighbours and many more evacuated from the area because of it. (Also, it was Stalin, not them, who tried to conceal knowledge of it and their relationship with him was, to say the least, remote.)
Also, there's nothing "semi-false" about the fact that they've been victims (but if there were, there would be more emphasis on their presence in the Ukraine around the time of the Holodomor genocide, but as is evident from this conversation, it's rarely focused on).
As a kid I heard on many occasions “History Repeats Itself” and after hearing this I understand that in its clearest form today.
It's like the West is trying to set a high score for recreating patterns of societal collapse. It's almost a marvel to see this thing suspended in mid air.
1917: Kulak
2020: White privilege
Sums it up perfectly.
@Semper Fi moron
@Semper Fi Rhodesia lost.
@@DieselRamcharger i believe hes saying white people are being demographically replaced.
@@danquilty6580 yeah, its pretty obvious. 11% world pop. 2% breeding age females.
Who's here after the protests?
They are still going on... and the rhetoric hasn’t eased off...
We need a peaceful supremacy.... does that exist?
Which one?
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It’s scary how this is exactly what is happening and about to happen to South Africa
It's terrifying how history is beginning to repeat in not much more than a century.
Holy cow... 2 years later it’s like watching the current events page . This man is brilliant.
Human nature doesn't change, only technology does.
@@kylekatarn5964
Correction: Human nature _can_ change, but it often doesn't and certainly not in massive numbers through a societal system like Communism. Change is something that each individual must be taught to do themselves, and they also must be genuinely willing to do so. That is why those who have a truly virtuous and devoted nature, like Jordan Peterson himself, are so rare.
@@warrioroflight6872 human nature can't change by definition of it being human nature, what can change is what parts of human nature we actively choose to indulge in.
It’s crazy eh. Literally playing out before our very eyes
The countless conversations I've had with people who support BLM & have this exact mindset... lol unreal.
“White privilege” is a pretence to genocide.
@No Stop what? something that does not exist
It’s frightening, is what it is.
There is zero danger of a genocide of white people in North America. You're playing the victim role Peterson describes.
@@petercullen1624 Really, because there has never been genocide involving Caucasians? You are not very intelligent to think that.
When I was younger, I happened to go to the Rhwandan genocide museum, and I was SHOCKED that not only had this happened as recently as 1996, but that the story line was the oppressed killing their oppressor. I have never forgotten it.
After years of reflecting in sinful behavior I am convinced that envy is the single most dangerous sin available to man.
I don't really disagree with you. However, I would also evenly compare wrath formed by outside influence as opposed to the kind of wrath someone forms over decades
please check out Bonhoeffer, He wrote how stuiped people are more dangerous than evil people
Now we have two groups of people in society both claiming to be victims and oppressed by the other side. This can't end well. Personal responsibility, self improvement, and community building. We need to be strong to survive the flood.
First damn smart thing I heard this week.
Great comment. It won't end well.
sharperguy I'm just going to start a farm and wait for them to try to take it.
Sharperguy glad I'm not the only one using the term "flood". Now's the time to hold your loved ones close and pray.
sharperguy The real problem is all of this is reactionary. Trump is a reaction of Obama witch was a Reaction to Bush. Once ANTIFA becomes bigger then even more people will be Nazi's. It could be a endless cycle until we have civil war. I'm not blaming anyone. I think there's 3 or 4 major reasons for this but I don't feel like typing them out. 1 of the reasons I think is technology. We can live in our own safe bubble weather your a SJW or Nazi and that an self fulfilling delusion machine.
This exactly what happened to my grandma. My great parents was considered kulaks because they owned a little store in the village. Was robbed arrested and send in Siberia to work in a coal mine, her mother was like 40 and she was around 7 or 8. Her dad was arrested and she never saw him again. Many families died from starvation there. My guess because she and her mom was small they managed to live on a little bit of ration. We recorded video of her telling the story. It is like 3 hour long interview, maybe I publish it one day.
good
Hope you publish it soon. It could hardly be more timely,
Please do. The world needs to hear this story.
My great grandfather did a little better. He owned a textile company. One day the village police officer came over and told him that the authorities would come for him soon. He left Ukraine to China, and his workforce left with him.
AS JP has explained, most humans are capable of evil behaviour . The US psychiatrist who assessed the captured Nazi leaders prior to the Nuremburg trials, on his return to the US, became an alcoholic and committed suicide, as these people weren't psychopaths as others wanted to believe.
you never hear about starvation because it is not considered a kill even though starvation is the number one weapon of war
Interesting that the Government also has preppers on it's list of dangerous domestic extremists.
Wow this aged very well.
Commenting just so it shows up on more people’s reccomended.
Is that how the recommendations work?
@@Vnuckmusic Apparently interacting with any video whether that is liking, sharing, or commenting, makes the algorithm recommend the video to more people.
@@kitfisto15678 Ah I see, Thanks Kit Fisto
Until next week when RUclips buries it
Nice work
My sister says we need to “re distribute the wealth” and that you “can’t be racist to white people”... never have I felt so much pity and resentment for my own kind...
It’s usually females that fall for that mindset
@@slipamo4309 Correct, because they are more hardwired for group think. Goblin King, your sister is dumb lol.
I am very sorry for you but your sister is a very dangerous person. God blessed you since you see who she really is.
Yet she will call herself liberal but tell her she’s a Marxist and she’ll prolly never talk to you again. It’s strange how neoliberalism is so so so different from British classic liberalism.
Mass propaganda via cnn and social media has metastasized the tumor of woke-ism. It preys upon the weak minded. This is why critical thinking and world history isn't taught in public schools.
This SERIOUSLY needs a rewatch for everyone.
“And you’re only speaking from a place of a good... highly unlikely”
The way he delivers this line is quite funny to me
Almost 12 years ago my father traveled to a very poor rural village of my country, Guatemala, to promote a business project that could gave a lot of job opportunities. After some days working a mob of peasents try to lynch him and his workers. Thank God, he was defended by a small group of villagers that fight with machetes for his life. Four years after the incident my father was visited in our house by a regretful peasent asking for forgiveness, asking if the business project can be retaken. He said that they were cheated by a NGO about the nature of the project, and that the NGO promised help and resources if they opposed the project. To make the story short, after the project was rejected by the angry mob the NGO didn't fulfill its promises and go away, leaving a village with 90% children malnourishment.
So, if you donate to NGO or charities you have to be careful. A lot of NGO in 3rd world countries are held by socialist that only want to create hate and don't give a shit for neccesitated people. Be cautious.
Jorge Avalos everyone in my family knows that NGO is communist propaganda arm, that stretches all over the world. I wander if they receive “donations” from Soros, Google, Gates etc?
Thank you for sharing your story
NGOs are a scourge to struggling towns and villages in less developed countries. Whether they are leftist type organizations, corporate philantropic organizations (I'm looking at the Bill Gates Foundation) or Christian missionary organizations, all they do is make the people dependent on them or not fulfill their promises at all. India has the same problem as Guatemala has with NGOs.
Yes! Be very weary of NGOs and their promises. They are mostly Marxist by nature.
I personally don't believe in aid and aid organisations. I'm my country alot of organisations come to give aid and all the like I make it a point to never take any of it the only thing it does is foster victim good , laziness , waste and destruction of values like hard work ,respect , family and self worth. I'm Cameroonian🇨🇲
Alright, we need this story in full detail from Rogan's or Willink's podcasts. Even from Peterson's. Very interesting.
If you keep seeking vengence for injustices done to your ancestors in the past, you will never live the future they wanted you to have. I hope people wake up
Well said.
Bravo,bravo truly a great saying.I am going to start using this now.really a great statement
Such important lessons. Amazing that humans can’t seem to learn from the mistakes we’ve made only a few decades ago
Watching it unfold right before our very eyes.
God bless this man, he's helped me out so much personally, and the world desperately needs to hear this message.
And anyone who says otherwise is a fool, a liar, or both.
Unfortunately, there are many leftists which classify him as a "racist Nazi". Nothing could be further from the truth, but leftists aren't known for their adherence to the truth. They simply like to shut you down by calling you a "racist Nazi" or Big Tech likes to censor you for posting something which allegedly "instigates violence". *“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."*
God makes many men in his favour and this man is one of them
@@brucesmith9092 Modern liberals are racist, sexist, and discriminatie based upon other immutable characteristics. They want Government control over all aspects of life.
I don't know what happened to the classical liberalism of freedom, liberty, and actual diversity, whilst judging people by their character and skills rather than their immutable characteristics.
I guess it's more profitable these days to be a Nazi/fascist, but call yourself a liberal...
@@jtukbb - so we should aspire to be gobbledygook spewing, drug-addicted, duplicitous, incoherent, obtuse, pearl clutching closet racists, misogynystic arseholes who speak out of both sides of our mouths... Got it.
The right reveres and venerate Donald Trump. You guys have no fucking clue what objective reality, facts and morality are.
This already happened to South Africa and now it's happening in America. The power of incompetence.
It won't work. The whites were a minority in SA. But whites are the majority in US. It won't happen.
@@strikerron2252 hopefully you're right. Let's keep America an Anglo structured nation.
@@strikerron2252 You can be a majority now and be a minority tomorrow. Just Be Prepared!
Genocide is at the door in south africa.The media is flooded with injustices that happened a long time ago.None of the youth were complicit
@Alan Roberts Capetown
I've heard a story from a guy, who was told it by hhis dad, about his great-grandfather (but I can't confirm if it was true of not, so, grain of salt, but based on what he told me, I belive it to be).
The small village was located FAAAAR away from everyone else, it produced lumber, grain and a few minor things, the owner of the general store was the riches person around (but at least he wasn't a greedy person), he was the one who bought the things the village produced and once in a while, send a truck driver out into the wider world with the resources, and it came back with goods.
Then one day, a group of people, wearing red armbands, came to the village and started preaching how terrible people with more money than yourself was, and so they got a bunch of the people in the village (mostly, like the example Peterson made, the "misserable drunks") turned against the store owner, it escalated into them hanging him as a "thief", and distributing his possesions, but a few months later, the village faced a problem, they were in need a lot of goods, that they normally bought at the general store, and none of them knew how or where to get them, outside the village (the family and employees of the store keeper had fled, and nobody wanted to go to and open a store, in a village where your neighbors would kill you and steal your stuff), this included things like medicine and gasoline, so at one point.
The majority of the people in the village ended up packing their things and move, because they just couldn't live there any more, one of them included the great-grandpa, his family decided to travle west, so far west, that they ended up leaving the country, and he said that "the dumbest decision the village ever made (turning aginst the store owner), forced his family to make the the best decision ever (to leave the country), but he belived that had they not made the first, they would never had needed to make the second".
How I understood it, it happened in the northwest part of Russia, around 1918-1920, and he travled west to the Scandinavian countries.
The "victims" ended up killing, the one who was basicly their lifeline.
I see all these things come to fruition within the last year. It is very unnerving!
All the Americans thinking nothing as bad as a genocide could happen to them should look at this and then at South Africa. And the worst part is it always goes both ways: where there's a Soviet Union, there's always a Germany in response to it too. If you go down, the whole world will follow, so stand for what's actually right everyone and stay safe.
there is a heavy dose of arrogance in American society. Underlying every political thought and action is this idea that, somehow, American people are different than anyone else throughout the world or throughout history. People are pushing too far because they are naïve about true human nature. The others are riding it out with the same naive moral arrogance.
@@heartsquaremusic2953 - If there is American arrogance, it's limited to a certain type of people and certainly not ubiquitous. It could be argued that there is also European arrogance, Chinese arrogance, Japanese arrogance, Russian arrogance... every country tends to ignore the bad parts of its history, justification that they are not #1 in every aspect because of the improper behavior of other countries, etc.
@@heartsquaremusic2953 the US represents the highest form of democracy and freedom, even if they're not the biggest economical superpower rn, if they crumble because of ideologies like those then the possibilities are pretty low for the rest of the world too. And I'm not even American.
I'm South African and can tell you that what has happened so far is nothing. Not that I'm deminishing the lives of the victims of the hundreds of farm killings . But what I forsee is not pretty, because I've seen how easily people jump on the "we do what America does" bandwagon and how easily their emotions can be stirred up. If Dems take over and a Marxist regime is born in America, the EFF will get support from the US and media will spew even more divise propaganda and I fear the result.
@@Notha320 exactly, you said it perfectly. I really hope your situation over there gets better, please stay safe.
This is exactly the case in South Africa, and now developing in the United States
Is there the equivalent of the 2nd Amendment in S. Africa to protect yourselves against a tyrannical government?
Ivan Parra Yes, there's supposed to be protection in our constitution, but the criminal government is working hard at changing the constitution concerning firearm ownership, so that they can disarm us. But the white South Africans have always had a close relationship with their firearms, just like the USA, so they've faught hard in the courts to keep their firearms up to now, believing a genocide on whites will ensue as soon as they're disarmed.
@@jbbotha wow, hold your ground. And don't fall for any "buyback" programs like k. Harris has suggested. Thats just confiscation.
Ivan Parra We will obviously try like our lives depended on it, but kinda more concerned about you in the USA. We know we're in a Communist state, but very few Americans realise that tge USA is on the verge of becoming a Communist state. If Trump loses, then that's it for the USA. You will become Communist very quickly and as a knock-on effect, so will the rest of the world. You should see and share Yuri Bezmenov's warnings to Americans. Your Democrats have become Communists. Obama is a Communist. Obama Care is Communist. Then download the book Behind Communism to learn who's behind it all and who wants to destroy America. The reason why runs a bit deeper...
@@ivanpparra South Africa is supposed to have one of the most advanced constitutions in the wold, but once the government has gone rogue and the judiciary has been captured, then everything gets blurry. They've been trying to disarm us for 20 years now. First it was just a firearm registry. Once all the firearms were registered, they changed the laws which forced you to go through pretty extreme measures and training to get a new firearm license. Now they've sneaked in a law that says the Minister of Safety & Security may declare an emergency and demand that all weapons be handed in within 48 hours, or else... In, I believe it was the Philippines, people who refused to hand in their weapons were executed on the spot. See where this is going. They're following the same sneaky process in the USA.
I sure hope these students realize how blessed they are to have a real teacher.
If he was my teacher in school, I would have been so much more invested in class. He makes it interesting and makes you want to dive into the work.
JP always teaching subjects which no one has the balls or brains to discuss. We need to protect this man at all costs. He is one of the most important people we’ll see in our lifetimes
Read his books, learn how to apply the thought patterns and now YOU are a person to protect 😉👍
Balls or brains? Without a vagina you wouldn’t be capable to give birth and produce estrogen. That’s really a vile thing to say about a males body part and use it in any way it doesn’t matter how. It’s even more wrong when a female thinks she’s somehow not immoral when saying “Don’t have the balls” and you said no one as if other than males could have testicles you know testicles aren’t even spheres they’re ovals like and we all have brains my mother something similar deragatory about males not having the balls oh yeah do you not have the tits and cunt to to give birth out of that vagina of yours and have periods monthly?
@@IsraelCountryCube what the fuck are you babbling on about you lunatic?
@@IsraelCountryCube he means *balls*. Cuz JP is a man. We ain't Talking about male and female, we talking about JP.
I don’t think he really has the brains himself to understand what he is actually talking about, he just has the vocabulary to convince people who don’t know anything about what he is talking about aside from his own take on it. I used to enjoy his videos but after looking into the subjects he talks about it’s not difficult to become disillusioned with him and it’s pretty clear that he doesn’t actually know what he is saying
This is legitimately scary in light of what is happening today.
I guess trump is learning from those damn communists; by telling his near total-white-followers that they are in the minority and being oppressed
@@InayetHadi i don't remember trump saying anything about victimhood. Blm, antifa, 3rd wave feminism, critical race theory, wokeism, all of those are mainly about victimhood revenge.
@@gytisdobrovolskis7355 not so much trump as the right-wing media whose intent is to stir up division. These comments are testmanent that they are succeeding in making some white people paranoid that extremist parts of BLM are somehow going to drum up enough support to white death camps.
@@joshbaino3087 There's only youtube right wing media for one. Second both sides are dividing best way to stay rational is to listen to both. Best way to stay sane is to listen to neither.
@@gytisdobrovolskis7355 I agree completely
This was the years ago. It's 2021 as I'm watching. And everything is playing out just as he said. Hopefully he and the other great thinkers can stop this terrible thing from happening.
What an amazing mind. We are lucky to have such value available to us
I see now why this professor was attacked. His teaching was too close to home, they knew his lessons were a threat to their BLM authoritarian movement.
Yup!
Yeah but he's not directly telling you the origins of that movement. Does he go into Eastern Europe 100 years ago?
@@joebrewer4529 Peterson talks about cultural Marxism all the time.
@@secretagent4610 yeah but who were the actual people doing it? You never properly talks about the October revolution. He never talks about America from 100 years ago. The enemies tears you in the face all the time at this point. They're telling it right in front of your face. This is something much worse than just cultural Marxism. If you know where to look and I'm sure you don't. You would find that America was subversibly invaded post world war II. Once again who are those people? He's not telling you any truth in any of these videos. He just babbles and drops turds.
@@joebrewer4529 I think I get the sense about what you’re talking about now.
I can hear the echos of the soviets in the BLM chants... That should really scare you.
As someone who came of age at the end of the Cold War, it does. We built thousand of nuclear weapons to attempt to halt the spread of Communism, but never looked at our own universities critically enough.
"The Art Of War" Sun Tzu (or someone)
"The Prince" by Niccolò Machiavelli
"The Communist Manifesto" by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels
"The Open Conspiracy - Blue Prints For A World Revolution" by H.G. Wells (This is good for an overall perspective. It outlines a path to a technocratic utopia.)
"Rules For Radicals" by Saul Alinsky
@@politicallyunreliable4985 It was an inside job. WWII never really ended. The players just changed their tactics and took their time.
They are self-avowed marxists
@Curtis Beardsley there are Trump rallies?
F@ck them I will not give into fear! Let them try see wtf happens!
This should be required viewing in every school across the country
This explains a lot about the craziness going on recently. People forgot the lessons of history.
I wish we could clone him and have him teaching in every university.
Be careful what you wish for.
He would turn you down because of his ethic stance on cloning pmsl!
Haha
You could just record the lecture and then every university watches
@@reas1n534 LOL even way cheaper
I have several Kulaks in my family history - poor people. Some had their livelihood simply taken away, some were sent off to Siberia and left to die (though they survived). And it terrifies me to no end to see the parallels of what is happening in the West right now to what happened in Russia back then. It's like we're stuck in some sick loop, doomed to relive it. I keep trying to warn people in my life, but they shrug it off or think I'm exaggerating. I just hope enough people will wake up - otherwise the horror hasn't yet begun.
At this point the West deserves it, if they are this stupid. If you put it to a vote you would be surprised how many people support it
Will Nill Yeah a part of me thinks the same. I'd just prefer to get out of the west if things go that far
My family experienced the same. German citizens who were working as traveling school teachers. The bolshiviks got to my grandfather and conscripted him. They just tore up his papers and told him to march. He eventually made it back to his family who had barely scraped by and smuggled his pregnant wife and 5 children out of the occupied areas. His brother's and their families weren't so lucky. They found out from others that they executed them after they pulled a bible out of the house and asking them to read it. They killed every male older than 12. As for my grandmother she was born months later in Canada. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Karl Marx and his self proclaimed intellectuals.
will Nill
"At this point the West deserves it"
It's exactly this attitude that has driven each of those genocides of the past. "They deserve to die" The Kulaks in the Soviet Union, the Jews in Nazi Germany, the intellectuals of communist China, they all deserved it and it was the people that believed this tripe that went on to kill by the millions.
It's you that's the problem.
My Grandfathers parents and ancestors were German/Flemish settlers which were invited by Catherine II. the Great to bring modern agriculture technics in the region of Bessarabia which is in the Southwest of the todays Ukraine and Moldova. They were farmers who raised cattle and aditionally my grandgrandfather did some work as an civil servant.
Cause of that they were classified as Kulaks by the Bolsheviks, so they had to escape the Bolsheviks influence. They had to leave their farm and land and fleed to Romania were they built up everything again. But then WW2 started and in 1944 they were forced to flee again - now back to Germany and then built up a new existence again.
My two Grandmothers were also forced by the Communists to leave their ancestors land and fleed from Breslau/Silesia and the Sudetenland in the Oremountain-region.
These are a fascinating lectures kind of free-flowing at times, very thought-provoking
this should be broadcasted on public television each week
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
C S Lewis
That quotes kind of proven u true if you look at the modern day plutocrats.
Their cruelty is never sated.
This is more applicable to America now than ever before. For God's sake, I hope people realize this.
They don't.
TSB they don’t but we the people do & believe the time is coming...
I Just started watching Mr. Peterson and am very much in agreement with his teaching. Thank you Mr. Peterson.
This is a chilling lecture in view of current trends in the Anglo sphere.
This was also true for Ruanda, where opressed Hutus comitted genocide against privileged Tutsis.
Good thing that blacks can't be raycist, amirite?
Otherwise, things could REEEEEEEEEally get outta hand
Oh wait..
kynismos Zimbabwe too!
Exactly.'if only more people knew that
Yes it was- and my other favorite example is the French aristocracy. BECAUSE REVENGE IS A HUMAN THING.
I'm Just Saying In their minds they were the oppressed, like the Germans felt oppressed by the Jews when the Nazis came to power.
This video aged like the finest of fine wines
Normie
Peterson raised a *really* important point near the end. The fact that most of Soviet history is not popular knowledge is a really troubling thing. Our society exists in permanent contempt against the concept of the alt-right because we have incorporated the history of Nazi Germany and the events of WWII into our culture as an empirical defense mechanism against its reprisal. There's nothing wrong with that, since it actually works. The problem is that, since Marxist history is not as widespread, our societies are not as equipped to identify and weed out the potential for the alt-left as they would be to identify the potential for the alt-right. And that's weird, since the Soviets were about as bad as the Nazis, if not potentially worse, so it baffles me that only people within intellectual circles are the only ones who are aware of this, despite the information being as readily available as it is. I mean, can't we get our hands on the Manifesto quite easily this days? I've definitely seen it more in libraries and bookstores than Mein Kampf.
Legit, try asking anybody about the Nazis. They will tell you with relative ease, because its *that* embedded in our culture. Now try asking about the Soviets.
Weird, right?
Nymph: You certainly know nothing about NSDAP Germany to make a statement such as this: "...since the Soviets were about as bad as the Nazis...".
Familiarize yourself with the popular achievements that German government managed to implement in quite a short time, raising the standard of living tremendously.
Thank you for bringing that up.
Makes me think of Cain staring at what Abel has and feeling sorry for himself and turning to murder.
That is EXACTLY how it manifests! Brilliant insight into not only the human frailty of resentment and jealousy but to the incredible power of biblical narrative to incise into our nature...
To add to that, the reason God was more happy about the other brother was that he always offered up the best things he had, whereas Cain only gave what he wanted to give and kept the rest for himself.
He had no concept of what murder even was
A profoundly keen observation. Let's paint a comparative picture. God had already shown Adam and Eve how to offer a sacrifice. This knowledge was handed down to their children. Suppose Gods instructions for a sacrifice are the laws, and Abel and Cain are citizens living under said law. Abel is a conservative who conserves the way of life as it was handed to him. He works diligently and does exactly what is expected of him. Cain is inquisitive, he loves to question and do his own thing, he is a liberal. Both are asked to offer a sacrifice, but only one gives the sacrifice God actually wants. Cain had the resources to give the appropriate sacrifice, but gave in to his apathy. He figured he could reinterpret the laws and come up with his own form of justice, so he offered up fruits and vegetables instead, which I'm sure were quite perfect. But it wasnt what was asked of him. When God accepted Abels sacrifice over Cains, he played the victim. Abels character and work ethic acted as an open rebuke to the folly of Cains philosophy, character and attitude. This sense of judgement he felt upon him, that pointed out the fault wich was solely his, seethed into murderous desires which he then acted upon. Cain always felt he knew best, and questioned everything instead of just doing what was needed. When God confronted him on the murder of his brother Cain replied, "Am I my brothers keeper?" We must learn to know when it's the right time to be the liberal, and when it's right time to be the conservative.
@@sharkmedia5969 The Accuser is seen in every manipulative media outlet, and every power hungry politician. Turning the hearts of the people against each other.
As of Ukrainian heritage, I could tell my how my grandfather explained things that this is not a world that you want to live in. They fled their homeland during WW2 and came to America in search of a better life. People don't get that these ideas roll over countries like a wave and it's not something that you can just ignore. And in the end, all you have is corrupt individuals with all the power and money and everyone below them is worse off or dead.
@@Tucker454 so sad. I’m from Ukraine. Strange, but only after rf invasion to my country in 2014 I’ve got interested in the history of my country and I realized that 20th sentry was a HELL to Ukrainians. It’s a miracle that we managed to preserve our culture, language and identity. And nowadays the struggle for freedom runs it’s next circle.
@@danplatonov4290 hi! Glad to have a word from you! Yes we continue our struggle. It’s pretty hard nowadays, corruption ruining the country not less than russian invasion
You to me are more american than most my leaders today and half the countries people.
@@birdbrighton7957 Next circle.. You were right.
Doesn't matter what system you use to get there though, capitalism, communism, whateverism its still undermined by power and money. 20 years ago the neo cons were busy deregulating everything, they didn't do that when America was the land of opportunity for your grandfather, no far from it, they let the banks 'rip' and the poor suffered a bit, thats from capitalism going rampant. Stalinism was only worse because people actually wanted to take things away from people by force against their will and willing to kill to do it, well capitalism has that too but they try not to overtly kill productive labour units. the only way to avoid that would be a tax free society and no govt, but that doesn't work because thats anarchy and then no one would 'fix the roads' (metaphor) and there would be no rights to speak of except for the point of a gun.
More people need to hear this
I'm glad you touched on this. Really informative.
The same pattern happened in China 80 years ago. The similarity of Communists in Russia, China and now western world is the elitists (and intellectuals) look for a group of people who are socially or economically disadvantaged, and turn the group against the authority. It was never about helping the disadvantaged. It was about showing their superiority, seizing power, and achieving their utopia.
In their marxist Utopia: everything is given by the government. Everything is free. Nobody needs to work, you get your money every month.
This pleases the people which Jordan was talking about.
And it always ended with killing the successful, running out of food and starving , finally saying that it wasn't a "real communisms" and then proposing a next communist utopia. I lived in former Soviet Union half of my life, I know what the hell is communistic implementation.
@@Esico6 Trouble is it isn't free. It is merely robbing Peter to pay Paul via big brother government who conveniently gets the largest cut and suppresses anybody else from getting ahead. Everybody id dependent and has the jackboot of authority on their necks. It is the largest mafia style protection racquet in history with legalized theft under the moniker of the the people but the only PEOPLE who do well are the ones controlling every aspect of the society. Take the crumbs like serfs and be happy speak out and be destroyed when those in power turn the societal institutions' and mobs on you. Keep everyone segregated into different groups and when one steps out of line collate the others against that particular individual or group as a scapegoat while all the time the real oppressors sit back and laugh at the ignorance of the masses.
@@gregbriggs4540 that was really well said.
@@elenagordon3896 Yes, now these morons in the western world want to implement it here, and think it is "different" because it is called Socialism instead of Communism. While they ignore the similarities.
my grandfather was labelled as a "kulak" and spent 3 years and 8 months on the Gulag.
dr. Peterson is the first Canadian who knows about these terms. every time I try to explain this to pple they think I'm talking about the goulash.
thank you dr Peterson. you restore my hope in Canada.
I am from Ukraine and that's exactly the same thing my grandparents were telling about. Thought I must tell even more. Those people, mostly russians also robbed houses and if they found some food hidden they executed people. This part of the story is too important not to mention
the aged like a fine wine
Unbelievable that this is free and widely available for public consumption.
Even more unbelievable how relevant this lecture is to the lie that is BLM in 2020.
Incredibly powerful.
And the 3 founders of BLM are Marxist.
@Bamforth My Hero Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, Opal Tometi
@geezusispan wage slavery? Dude, if you don't wanna work... then don't. But then don't complain if you don't have a house or food.
You know what's wage slavery? When you work, and then the governement takes an x% of your money in taxes to transfer it via some social program to some parasite who's too lazy to work.
@geezusispan so lets burn down the rich!!! we've been victims our whole lives!!
I have nothing against protests against discrimination...
But I'm very skeptical of BLM since those on top of that group openly state they're "trained marxists" and "versed in ideologies" and other theoretical nonsense. No data, no research... Just anecdotal.
They use intimidation and force and soon label you as their enemy for if you're not with them, they decide that you must be against them and thus you become an enemy in their eyes that should be dealt with sooner or later They do not tolerate certain questions.
Same old typical tactics:
Use of weaponized mobs
The more chaos, the more success
Declawing the authorities that stand in their way
2 + 2 = 5 mindset (read the dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four)
Juggling with words to win arguments and if they can't they'll try shut you up
Victimhood as fuel for the downtrodden are their useful idiots and future shocktroops
They need the situation to be as shitty as possible to further their goals
It's a slow process and they have time... The boiling frog.
So yeah, I'm pretty skeptical of those who call themselves "trained marxists" for this isn't about your average socialism here. It's about an ideology that murdered millions of innocents in the name of a dream that never came to be... And it never will.
It's scary how relevant this is to what we are currently facing.
Always thought provoking.
The world needs this man's wisdom and composure
This is basically a step by step explanation of the USA 2020.
No shit and me as a 18 year old knew about these effects.. lol and now 20 years later you ladies are licking on the poisen and being all this blm is sum good shiieet daymn
@@andreaspetersson3311 Going by your name, you are Swedish (your last name at least suggests Swedish as opposed to Norwegian, though it could be both). You shouldn't speak too loudly in that case, as Sweden has some rather massive issues too :)
@@PlacidDragon and im voting for AFS and before that SD so ive never been naive.
@@PlacidDragon sorry forgot the smily so here it is :)
Whites have victimized and oppressed blacks for the past 5 centuries. Its nit "victimhood" if you're literally being victimized.
My wife and I found the ruins of the house of her grandparents and mother in the Ukraine. We spoke with two elderly Ukrainians who were children when Stalin starved the "wealthy" Kulak farmers and machine-gunned the German immigrant farmers. We spoke with a village official who confirmed this. Peterson is correct.
Its true. If it wasn't for some people who respected my great grandfather he wouldn't have escaped with his life.
Thank you for this confirmation. My progressive (actually regressive) friends pretend that this is a sweeping statement.
@SuperChamp INFJ nobody wants to hear your anti-semitism. I know many Jews and all help out thier Ukrainian and Russian neighbors
@SuperChamp INFJ
So you've found the oppressor, have you? Good work. Now we'll know who to exterminate.....right?
You're that thick that don't even realise that Peterson is talking about you when he was talking about those who follow the oppressed/oppressor ideology. It would be quite funny if it wasn't so dangerous.
@@samvodopianov9399 anti-semitism...the magic word that shuts down all crticism, debate, and analysis.
It’s tragic and prophetic that Dr. Peterson has to live what he cautioned.
as a black man, i can attest to what he is saying. i see it in the politics and the society of leaders who push the victim message above and beyond where it should be pushed. yes there are problem and organised structured designed to oppress one race against another but this system has been designed in a way that makes us all victims and its in the sharing of person experience and finding that point of agreement that we will move on and grow as people, but by playing into the system do we only continue the suppression of each other... like MLK once said "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"
full quote
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.”
funny how he literally described the current riots with this historical lesson we never really learned about.
This is why we didnt learn about it. Jordan has always said this is pretty much the fault of the Universities.
If they taught us this history lesson growing up, we would have recognized the similarities right away and would be more likely to denounce it as a whole. They planned this
I guess trump is learning from those damn communists; by telling his near total-white-followers that they are in the minority and being oppressed
@@InayetHadi he never once said that you moron.
@@nolanmartin6601 it’s so easy to blame your ignorance on someone else.
You live in time of internet, information is one click away
@@vitaliypro8441 Nolan Martin only stated a fact. He indeed became aware of the principle with a click.
My grandma's family went through this when she was 11-12. They weren't prosperous by any stretch of imagination. I doubt they even had a horse. They got saved from Siberia by a distant relative or something, but 3-4 years later there was this Famine and her father starved to death. She lived till 2004 and i honestly don't know anyone who had a harder life than her.
And this is the wisdom of the commandment that states: "Do not covet your fellow's house... and anything of your fellow." (And by "fellow" it refers to fellow man, not only a friend, family, or neighbor.) The Sages of Israel explained the aim of this law to prevent the very thing, which Dr. Peterson related regarding the Communists and their Kulak victims, that coveting can lead to robbery and even murder.
Thank you Dr. Peterson! 😃
- I’m ordering your book, “12 Rules: Antidote to Chaos”
+ “Gulag Archipelago: vol 1”.
- I’m eager to read them as soon as they arrive!
- God bless you, sir, and God bless your ministry of Truth; showing us what Truth and Freedom mean and how to protect them…
This message has never been more timely.
Damn. I remember A-level history. One of the subjects was The russian revolution, including the removal of kulaks, they just described it as those people having their land seized by the state/Stalin and moved on... Such bloody bias to not even mention the toll of that, like it's something okay to ignore.
Just done Stalin's rise to power AQA for as level and it's crazy how little they described the atrocities committed against the kulaks. Complete fucking bias
Victors write history, and the communists won WWII
This same agrarian reform happened in Cambodia. A truly horrific program. It's hard to believe that people can be so brutal.
What did you expect? Russia bad, whole world good...
Same here. Everything we see about ww2 is from american viewpoint. Never ever a russian viewpoint. Talk about propaganda.
And to too matters even: disney bought marvel and shows you how captian *america* hunts down nazi redskull.
To even name a superhero after a country. Doesnt get more one sided does it..
@@boerbeun
I'm from the Netherlands and I happen to know, from my parents and family, since I was a little boy, in the sixties, that the Nazis were brutal invaders. This didn't come from books but from people that lived it. My parents came to Canada, where I was born, and I've met people, worked with them, who escaped from Poland, Czechoslovakia and East Germany and they told me awful stories of the Russians. One guy's sister was stuck in Russia, because of the way the border was drawn after the war, and she told him about some of the ridiculous ways of the Soviet system. My brother joined the Canadian military and he spent time in Moscow. He liked the people but he said that he'd never want to live the way that the Russian people had to.
In 1972, Canada and Russia played an historical hockey series against one another. The first 4 games were played in Canada and the last 4 games in the Soviet Union. The one GLARING thing that I saw, as did others, was the Soviets soldiers, stationed everywhere in the Soviet hockey arena. All armed with machine guns. I would imagine that the Russian people, watching the games on TV, noticed that there weren't any soldiers with machine guns in the Canadian arenas.
That's not propaganda. That's a fact.
Very timely. I hope people are aware of
Never forget the universal-goal is: "To live a happy life while allowing all others to do the same."
All laws should support this goal and come from it. If not it is a bad law.
So all those sort of predominantly left wing things like gay rights, gay marriage, trans rights etc are all pretty much ok. Programs to bring up people in economically disadvantaged families, paying taxes for schools so they're 100% free, helping with transport to and from schools, free healthcare etc, these are all the sorts of things necessary to live a happy life. I think you and most left wingers agree on these things at least. See in reality most people have a lot in common, its only around the extreme fringes that shit gets weird. i.e. where debate turns to violence.
This is exactly what happened to my people in Pakistan. The muhajirs came from the old imperial cities of India -- heavily educated, professional. When they came to Pakistan, they Rose to the top. Pakistans economy was sky rocketing, rapidly modernizing. Then the socialist Bhutto came to power and used resentment to dispossess the muhajirs, stripping them off their power and wealth. Many of us just left Pakistan all together. Pakistan is still suffering from the effects of the anti muhajir laws as practices.
AdmiralPrice its a damn shame. I just hope that doesnt happen to my country.
AdmiralPrice well sounds like you cowards need to man the fuck up grab arms and fight for yourselves for once instead of having the US and it's allies fight and die for you cowards.
AdmiralPrice This sounds like what people on the far right want to do to Jews.
Adrian Sanada that argument can be flipped around easily. For instance Jewish communists where instrumental in South Africa with the rise of the ANC into power. Recently the ANC government introduced expropriation without compensation. They want to amend the constitution to make this happen, but by doing that they will put all property ownership at risk.
Sounds childish but why the fuck can't we all just get along?
@ Admiral Price being of Muhajir decent I would like to dispute your version as false.
I remember going into the fields picking up wheat after the harvest. we had also all our lands taken by the communists in romania. they gave it back after 1990. stealing was so normal that it became part of the culture.
I teach a small karate class and a massive part of our moral code, is do not be a victim, if you don't believe you are being bullied you are not being bullied.
This is what they used to teach in public schools. I learned this in the 8th grade, 40 years ago. What this lesson of world history teaches, is an understanding of citizen seperation. It leaves you as an individual to digest the standing of humanity, on a global level, and how such an atrocity can determine the fate of nations and the planet.
People need to hear this in 2020
People needed to hear this in 2012.
Now, in 2020, it's too late for many.
Gosh this feels exactly like he's talking about BLM
@geezusispan Beta alert~!!!
@geezusispan Sorry, that doesn't work. Bad come back - doesn't make sense. Betas like you always meme wrong.
Those are both real and good to be aware of.
@geezusispan think twice pal
@geezusispan ruclips.net/video/pRx8A4Ne17w/видео.html
thank you for this conversation.
This short clip gave me perspectives for introspection. Extinguishing the fire of victimhood is important. You can get fired up sometimes and ruminations are never a good thing. Getting out of the hate circle jerk is hygienic.
SO TIMELY RIGHT NOW
History repeats itself. What happened in the Ukraine with the Kulaks is happening now in Zimbabwe and South Africa against the White farmers for the same reasons.
49, You clearly didn't understand the lecture.
This is false. Land was not stolen. The actual indigenous people were Khoi and San people (Bushmen). No black people were in the Cape when the VOC arrived there.
Auntie Lobster And areas like Karoo were uninhabited...
This too happened in Ukraine and it was done by Ukrainians. ruclips.net/video/suQ79xKmYtw/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/uaiKEzKuMt4/видео.html
@Soldado de Juan José Torres Well the ironic thing is you are invoking the concept of private ownership; the basis for the reclamation is on behalf of THE GROUP and thus the fundamental implication is group vs group not individual taking individual to court. My car being stolen was done by an INDIVIDUAL not a group. Unless you're alright we destroying individual responsibility. Which was and is the natural consequence of this formulation.
This is a powerful observation. Victimhood can suddenly creep up on an entire nation - all it takes is some particularly harsh economic times and suddenly nearly everyone feels like a victim. The dangerous collective Id monster that this may ultimately unleash is responsible for the most tragic periods of human history.
What really shocks me as a man of Russian origin (and currently being in Russia) is notion that we are not actually speaking about these problems, these historical events, their predecessors and consequences. It was a rare occasion in my life that we had a brilliant teacher of history, who was truly independent in Russian State University of Cinematography - the same very person who taught Tarkovsky so many years ago. So he indeed had some guts speaking of these events independently. Yuri Ivanovich Goriachev passed away unfortunately two years ago...
Most of youth is completely unaware and ignorant of actual causes-and-event chains in our own history.
Finding these discussed in a Toronto University leaves my jaw dropped.
We're almost there.
Any resemblance with what's going on today is only 'pure coincidence'... Or not?
Anyone here after/during the riots?
@geezusispan lol🤣🤣🤣
"Lies and victimhood makes evil possible"
- Dennis Prager.
And make Prager a buck or two.