How Personality Predicts Success in Different Fields
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Have compassion for people whose personality traits are not currently in demand and highly paid. They were needed in the past, and they probably will be needed in the future. Don't cancel them. The present circumstances are just a roll of the dice and times change.
Wise 🌿
Does compassion come naturally or does it come from wisdom? Or both
One day the world will be in dire need of my poetry. 😃 I just know it! Maybe reading it will kill zombies after the apocalypse.
What about the ones who were not in demand before?
Some traits have zero demand and always will, like introversion. There is demand for people who are likely to be introverts, like engineers, but only for employment. There is no interpersonal demand, pretty much nobody says "I want to date an engineer".
This should be the first lecture in every introductory college psychology course. It makes the field super relevant and applicable.
Current college student, and I had to take some psychology courses for my GE’s despite being in STEM. Throughout the course, we were taught about LGBTQ and being inclusive
@@briannaalejo9226 💆♀️ofcourse all the interesting things and that’s what u “learn” :(
@@ericajohnston8247 honestly. College is a damn joke, and so are the professors
@@briannaalejo9226 they are evil
Most colleges will fire psych profs that tell the truth
He's referencing the Factor 5 model of personality. A psychologist recommended I take a 300 question assessment to help me understand my personality. Its called the IPIP-NEO. I hope thats helpful for people reading the comments.
Any suggestions for how to understand and use the results? I just took the test, thank you for the recommendation.
Have you tried the Myers Briggs personality test 221 questions?
Welp, I'm 1st percentile in pretty much everything but Neuroticism (94th percentile in nueoriticm). And I also have a very low IQ, so I should probably just jump off a cliff.
@@Ivan-vw1bw can you explain how these "percentiles" work?
@@wajihbec1087 Let's say one of your scores puts you at the 29th percentile for agreeableness. If you were one of 100 people in a room, you would be less agreeable than 70 of them and more agreeable than 29 of them.
I found my niche in ICU nursing. I worked night shift. Most families, doctors, and hospital staff were on days. Most of my patients were unconscious. I did enjoy the job and even enjoyed the teaching (families) aspect. I had 12 hours (and I might never see them again) to use the science of nursing to move people towards a less critical level and make them comfortable...all by myself.
Would you say you’re an introvert? I’m thinking about going to nursing but I’m an introvert.
I’m an icu nurse as well on nights. Can relate. I’m an introvert. I do open up in small groups of familiar people like my small group of coworkers
You are a hero ❤️
@@barbarastockler1 There’s tons of introverted nurse!
You rock!
I'm jealous of those students that get to have this man as their professor. ❤️🙌🏾👌🏾
Imagine having to listen to wisdom spewed so eloquently on a regular basis.
Just the opportunity to ask questions and have your premises explained to you as to why it is right....or wrong. :)
He's not a professor anymore
@@johnneri3646 only because the psychology board kicked him out as they are banana republic. Otherwise, what makes him not a professor?
@@chrisalister2297 He retired in 2021 so he's no longer a professor.
Watch his old lectures! I have the same sentiment…wishing I could’ve taken his class
And they deemed this guy unfit to keep his license??
Often figuring one's own nature and find out how to move forward according to it is much harder than evaluating other people.
That's why he says to clean your own room, not somebody else's.
True
As guru says: it's often easier to give advice than to run one's own life.
Yes because your own story is filled with emotions in the midst of “facts”. When you’re evaluating other people you only see facts but can’t feel the emotions.
It'd always easy criticising and advising from the outside not so much in the eye
I'm an introvert and the career advice he gave was literally life changing. I can be outgoing and social at times, but it's more show I guess
You can be an introvert and still be a socially adept person. The opposite can be true as well (extravert being socially inept). Being an introvert just means it will require more of your energy to be around people than if you were an extravert. You need and take time alone to recharge. But still a positive social encounter can be uplifting.
@@ajkooper that makes sense to me too. It does seem I can adapt a bit a times. Too much just wears me out
@@frozentspark2105 same here ;)
Knowing is half the battle
You can be very introverted, but still be able to succeed socially if you need to.
@@Nikblor good point
Interesting that he mentions dogs in relation to industriousness in that working dogs see their work as a game. Also it is a game in which they receive reward upon successful outcome. Perhaps there is a connection there worth exploring between game and industriousness in humans.
Interesting
Capture the flag games for hackers. That's the best place to start because of how close to the real world it is while being a game of wits and skill. CTF is used primarily as a way for security researchers to practice their skills, so they're more effective in the real world environment.
There are service companies focusing on so-called gamification. Industry built on making work be dopamine-stimulating via simulated games that represent the work tasks. Ethical implications on training employees to work for pleasure? No idea.
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Sad. but true
@@mariannefaulkner3445 How is what I said sad? CTF is fun and you learn a lot from CTF games. Everyone who plays them usually enjoys them.
I worked in software for 30 years. What I saw is that those who did best were most often the good politicians. They either knew who to crawl to, or they had gotten control of something important, and made sure others did not understand it. The software engineer who is clever, diligent and writes good clear code, that works well and is easy to maintain is easy to lay off. The software engineer who writes poor code that no-one else can understand is hard to lay off because they are hard to replace. Managers rarely know how good an engineer is, all they know is the image they create. I have seen engineers who rush their work, creating lots of bugs in poor code, become the favourite of the boss. And intelligence is not a predictor of success in software engineering, I’ve seen stupid people do much better than clever ones, because they have social skills that allow them to please the boss, even when their work is mediocre. This is in the UK, we don’t respect training, or intelligence. Trades do succeed based on ability. A good plumber gets a reputation and has no trouble finding customers, in fact they usually have to turn them away, or make them wait months.
I am also in software. You are absolutely correct on everything.
I am in control multiple important things. I don’t necessarily think that this is a bad thing though. I take good care of what’s in my hands, but it is indeed a survival tactic as well. It would take my employer an immense amount of effort to replace me
@@PRICEX Are younin the UK? I’m curious if this is UK specific.
Bingo; and the suits buying this software don't have a clue to even basics: in the eighties Loomis Canada spent several million and a service contract open ended if there were problems (the seller flew First Class from Silicon valley to Canada on our nickel). The first thing I said about it was :this is designed for warehouse work where you CONTROL the input/trucks/material coming INTO your plant. Loomis is the OPPOSITE: our critical points are our own trucks and drivers in the field, all bringing their problems back in to the plant. We scrapped the software a year later, and ate the money spent.
@@StillAliveAndKicking_ nope. everywhere.
Time for me to build a black box at my job 😂
7:14 That guy awkardly trying to enter as not to interrupt Peterson is hilarious haha
Reading, then closing the book to write a summary by remembering what you read, that is useful. Thank you!
I took the Understanding myself test by Dr. Peterson and I turned out to be more extroverted than I thought. It’s very helpful. Best $10 I’ve ever spent. I highly recommend it.
@@Sergio-dh5qh best quote!
@@Sergio-dh5qh Good stuff dude.
The fact that this test cost money doesn’t sit well with me.
I also took it and it was a good investment. Most of what I thought was introversion, turned out to be high agreeableness. I'm quite balanced between introversion and extroversion.
@@jerrylin9744you can take a big 5 OCEAN test free online and im sure it's just as good, just with less commentary by the test givers afterwards, eg no job recommendations etc
Thank you! This short made me focus on how to move forward in life logically. Very grateful!
I love this subject. I keep thinking about the personality breakdown of people I meet, and describe people using the Big5 dimensions.
I really enjoyed this. Temperament is fascinating. Definitely worth studying in depth.
I was pushed to be agreeable by my narcissistic family..however as I broke off, I am disagreeable and can stand for myself
Narcissistic parents are really awful.
A narcissistic tyrant rules my house and it took me a decade to realize what it was doing to my personality
If you believe that your entire family is narcissistic, it is probably you lol.
same but finding it hard to deal with consequences of being alone in this world
@@kintsugi2262 it will be worth it,,you will get anxieties building yourself but if you listen to Jordan Peterson everyday it will help you.. None is born to be a carpet for the people of this world NO....i had a psychosis beginning last year,being disagreeable is my daily medicine
His lecture satisfies my day
Wonderful video!! It's been a huge eye-opener for me to understand that conscientiousness refers to the word 'consciousness' aka (in my interpretation) mindfully listening to the right-brain's subconscious pattern recognition.
And the insight that some people are stuck in the word because they lack the ability to re-structure their place in the world and don't exchange their envirionment for one where they're better suited to function.
Is it? You shitting me? You go read a hard book that needs furrowed brow in a nice place, quiet, well lit, away from all the "sexy" things of this world...surely you can work that out for yourself? You need the Marine Corp.
I love the advice you give to your students about treating their university career as a full-time job and strategize by using a calendar. I wish I had a first-year professor who gave me that advice.
Wow his presentation and tone catches you. I couldn't but have my full attention throughout the whole video
I was borne in a place and time where virtue had a high social currency....and that meant being agreeable to peers, no contradiction to elders, focus on just one repetitive redundant work with no socialising, and no option for creativity. With that kind of upbringing, it's difficult to fit in today's world stage where self expressions, debate, and networking are the way to go.
The sad thing is that schools are teaching kids to became the exact opposite of what is good for them. The "character qualities" you talk about are still taught to kids in almost every school. The ones for rich are the exemption. They are still brainwashing kids to become a good cogs in the machine, even though the machine had gone digital a long time ago.
I could say so many other things that are wrong with schools. You can blame almost all the societal problems on schools and you would be at least partially right. It took me years to deprogram myself from all the brainwashing and I still have a feeling that I am not fully cured. Having to spend hours every day during your formative years does it to you. I am just glad I no longer have to suffer. My future children probably will. If I am ever going to have them, I am also going to have a plan of how to minimize the damage.
It is awful how the kids are treated there. That places need to change, not just if we want our kids to become smarter, but also if we want to change the entire society for the better.
Interesting
Hey mingleite,now what time virtue,morals and ethics are priceless, redundant empty of imagination and creativity isn't the human purpose, look at history for inspiration and if you want to be a real O.G.keep the virtue, morals and ethics .youĺl be unbeatable
The Big 5 - something that I was never taught in clinical psychology even at the doctoral level at a competitive school. I learned it far later and it is incredibly helpful. People were more hung up on the MMPI than this and this is far more practical.
Why is that?
@@Ryosuke1208 I am really not sure why that is the case. Any ideas?
@@Ryosuke1208 At this point it would be "because Jordan Peterson teaches that" lol
are you sure? we studied that in first semester psychology in nearly every subject
Maybe because Big-5 is not a clinical tool, while MMPI is.
What an incredible gift he has for teaching and lecturing! There's such a humility and empathy about him even though he is brilliant and that's why I admire him.
Thank you for saving my life 🙏🏼
Man, I wish I’d been on this guy’s courses. It’s wonderful it’s all here to watch.
I love Dr Peterson's deep thinking, analytical skills and the passion about being excellent communicator, to name just a few characteristics...
Just did the personality test and I’m glad that I seem to be on the right track. I have very low agreeableness, am relatively introverted, have low conscientiousness, high openness and low neuroticism. I’m working to be more disciplined and to improve my conscientiousness and as someone who is studying accounting in uni and who wants to be an entrepreneur I’m glad that my personality seems suited towards that.
Where to take the personality test?
Yeah, conscientiousness is the most important baseline indicator of success in accounting. Keep working on it.
low agreeableness AND low conscientiousness. Hmmmm. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.
@@ebbyc1817 I can be very conscientious if I'm working towards something I truly care about.
@@ebbyc1817That sounds like a recipe to be hated.
9:54 personal timestamp - recalling is the key
Brilliant as always Mr. Peterson!
My dad gave me the same advice, to consider my study to be a full time job. To plan what to learn and when.
I was at the time considering to stop my study. He kept me from it. He never got to study but knew the importance of it.
That is still the best advice my father has given me until now.
It was great to hear Jordan mention this to his students. He is helping them to really succeed and is giving them sound advice how to.
Industriousness itself may not be the correct measure to look for in person’s personality of you want to assess consciousness, but may be a symptom of external factors triggering another inherent trait such as ego, making industriousness more externally motivated.
Improving wisdom is what we need.
I love Jordan Im happy I got his name right when I was talking about his teachings while I was recording. This man has taught me so much. God bless sending love form my 4c hair 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿❤️❤️❤️❤️
impressed by the way you changed your look over the years. Pretty astonishing step up
With PTSD complex and wish to work with people is a nigthmare!
Healing first and Work goal after
This guy is so smart. I can follow along but at the same time my adhd only processes some portions at a time
Damn, I have the video sped up because otherwise I lose my focus. Weird how adhd works sometimes.
Found this comment while mindlessly scrolling through as he speaks monotonously 🥲 thanks for the advice I will speed it up
Thank you for help in knowing calling.
Also, reviewing 3 times before moving on to any material AND reviewing the old material before studying new material is very helpful.
And if you want to remember something even more effectively: review it 5 times then go back and review all the old material 3 times before moving on to new material
I was that student that organized a schedule for each semester at thr beginning like it was a religion and I was doing that at 17.. But its nice that this professor is encouraging that because most students don't know to do that.
What would be interesting to me is knowing what got you started in being that organized. I was the opposite and don't know, looking back, how I got through college.
@@johnhatch6517 A few things: to some degree my upbringing (although my siblings were not like that). My dad taught me to play chess and my mom always stated that 'failing to plan is planning to fail'. By that time, I had some study habits based on book my mom made us read over and over again for 5 years 'How to sharpen your study skills' (can't remember the author - also I remember hating to have to read that book all the time, then thanking my mom for doing it when I got to 12th grade), I knew that I HATED cramming for stuff for many reasons. So, in order to do that, you kind of had to. Chess was a childhood pastime hobby (that I now do competitively) and from winning at it a ton, I learned how I got to my goals repeatedly. I also mapped out when I would graduate and how many credits I would have at the end of each year to do 2 majors in 4 years AND not kill yourself in the 4th year. I would also say self-awareness and strategic/consequential thinking: what happens if I (fill in the blank)? Is that helping me or hurting me? Is this going to work? And most importantly, the fighting spirit/mental fortitude because folk will work hard at trying to steer you away from that, which is a very EVIL thing to do to someone. I know it's a lot, but I hope that answers your question.
@@johnhatch6517 congrats that you made it through. A lot of college students don't have a plan. I will never forget that last week before completing undergrad, a freshman was curious about me stating that I was ALWAYS able to get the classes I wanted. So we had a meeting and the meeting begun with me asking her 'When are you graduating?' and I had to ask it twice because her jaw dropped the first time I asked it.
I'm definitely not organized like that. Whenever I do these personality tests, I'm never 100% sure on what to answer. I'm pretty disagreeable, pretty introverted, but not nerdy.
i wish JP would speak more about this type of psychology subjects instead of genders and politics and so on. unfortunately people pushed him that point, i hope he can come back to his origin of expertise
I feel like he does. RUclips algorithm pushes alot of Jordan Peterson interviews and clips and they're mostly like this.
I always think this oh my god
he’s done it so much man, just go watch all the old videos. i dont think he wants to start repeating all his prerecorded lectures that are meant for students to learn psychology.
Nobody pushed him, he got himself in the political trough. He was a superb psychology teacher, by the looks of it.
Yeh those are sad but the worst is how ignorant he debates about religion haha
Thank you so much
Superb Analysis
This is one of the best lectures of his that I've ever seen. It made so many things about people make more sense. And I love the way he talks about things like politics in a completely matter-of-fact way. It's refreshing to hear after getting bombarded by nothing but extremism form both sides for the last like 5 years.
This the hits home for me💯
Oh yes! Loved listening in on this lecture. Now i need more...lol. thanks 😉👍❤
Thank You My bos🙏🧠
this man needs to be heard by all young people. I wish i had heard all of this when i was in my twenties.
There was nobody keyed up enough to deliver this lecture at that time. They would not have had the same benefit of research ( a deluge of it) in the past 20 years.
I was educated as a veterinarian and we were responsible for a huge amount of information about physiology, pathology, medicine/ disease, surgery/anatomy and pharmacy with regard to seven species of animals which incidentially are all completely different (IE 7 times what human doctors need to learn). I developed a method of summarizing my notes with very small writing on sheets of paper and then commiting that to memory and then sleeping on it and reviewing it when I awoke as Dr. Peterson suggested.
fascinating. I read a book about the brain and it talked about trying to solve complex math problems and then putting it away and your brain continues on doing the work when you're sleeping.
Jordan Peterson just got is team ready to scale content > IP = ready, now it will only be pushed more and more until everybody knows about personality and actual success theory called psychology.
Thank you Mr Peterson
I forced myself to act more industrious and conscientious than I really was because I was in survival mode. Then when everything finally calmed down... I didn't know who I was anymore because I hadn't even realized what I'd done.
I'm happy but not very social. I like my solitude. I enjoy the company of a few friends from time to time but that dries up in short order.
Amazing how much better Jordan Peterson is looking nowadays ❤
I've definitely noticed I have a general bias towards conservatism and and am also quite conscientious. Of course I'm aware of this bias and try to look beyond it but I also find myself sitting center to moderate right pretty consistently.
I like Wabi Sabi, but it is difficult to achieve that mindset when society pushes people for ultimate perfection/production. It would be interesting to know how much our world views/philosophical beliefs contribute to our personality traits (or vise versa)?
I have low conscientiousness (I made up with intelligence at school for quite some time but never really got a handle on being more orderly until well into my 30s) and I have found that I tend to adapt or not handle obstacles, especially nasty surprises, as poorly as most people around me. Perhaps it might actually be helpful if you have issues in this area and want to improve to be around those with that type of temperament.
This talk reminds me a lot of the Japanese concept of "Ikigai"
Thank you
very good lecture....thank you
On the topic of cramming... I've always found it spectacularly effective at getting sufficient raw information inside the brain. I've done everything from 3 days to 1 day before an exam, to recording myself reciting my last-minute notes and summaries and then playing it back as I sleep, all in a bid to increase memory retention and recall. For me, the primary difference between studying over a longer duration is that of increasing your opportunities to synthesize knowledge. But many exams, particularly for subjects that do not test using essays, do not ask that you synthesize knowledge; they ask that you regurgitate specific facts and information. I've also found paying attention during lectures (especially if the lecturer is really good at storytelling and sharing information in a compelling manner) to be extremely useful in reducing the need for conscientious studying over a long time. Habits like journaling and dialogs right after the lesson also helped.
When I was younger I was subjected to numerous IQ tests, and found my IQ to be between 130 - 140. But, I can say with certainty that conscientiousness was always a weakness for me. It was often easier to let my thinking speed carry me reflexively and reactively, so life had moments of feeling chaotic and out of control. Yet, I always felt I performed best when I created chaotic circumstances, and was left feeling bored when I created highly organized, predictable patterns.
Useful traits for this world though. Speed to learn and adaptability are most useful when work changes frequently. Make sure you don't settle in one job or career path even, keep switching around every couple years. This is the best way to make good money quickly, I've found.
This sounds like how I studied with adhd. I've found that's a good method in terms of hyper focus, but it may not produce long term results. That's why he mentions studying and sleeping and practicing recall (spaced repetition). I, too, feel I thrive in that chaos but what might be happening is the way you're receiving your dopamine. I've found with meds I am equally successful, but can get started on things a bit earlier instead of leaving them to the last minute. This leads me to be more organized in other domains and ultimately reduces anxiety that I didn't even really I had since it was just a lifelong base level.
Enjoy your eventual jail cell.
The students look so bored and unengaged. Imagine being so lucky to have this genius as your professor.
I'm introverted & somewhat neurotic but still very happy. How does that make sense? I'm in touch with the pain of life but I enjoy being thoughtful about it because it's our human experience.
This is best version of Jordan Peterson
After two degrees, one in microbiology and one medical, am absolutely an extrovert and a creative 😂Hardly followed a study schedule. I don’t know how I did it
How do you, or can you differentiate between what motivates someone and the big five trait of conscientiosness? For instance, I did well in school only when I was interested in the subject or my college soccer eligibility was in jeopardy. Also, I see zero sense in making my bed when I can get started with work first thing in the morning or the fact that I will be sleeping in that same bed again that night, only to mess it up again.
Do the two factors of motivation and concientiousness have any correlation? It would seem that certain motivations or rank ordering tasks can turn on certain personality traits if there was a correlation with motivation. Is this a garbage assestment of personality traits from a lay person, or is there something to that?
I could listen to this guy forever
I'm sure with subtitles/cc you'll get a lot more subscribers.
So I'm high in openness, low in conscientious,and near the middle in terms of extraversion, agreeableness and neuroticism. What do I do?
The company I work for takes these tests for all employees to try to match managers and balance teams. Even use the data to resolve issues. Our joke in the office is I am very extroverted on my terms. When I'm done I close the gate to my private road and don't interact. Need to play to your strengths.
I would have liked to have seen examples of fields of work for each personality trait i.e. extroversion and sales etc. God bless~
He has a very interesting way of teaching
I would have liked to poll this particular class to assess their degree of appreciation and engagement, on a scale from 1-10, in terms of the greatness they witnessed before them.
Hopefully high school students will understand the importance of higher education. There are so many good professor, this one just happens to show his face on RUclips.
5:11 pretty true in Norway and Sweden
Interesting lecture about the big 5 sir!
I was expecting to learn more about neuroticism because I'm trying to make that trait work for me. I was a bit disappointed that it was only partially discussed.
To any psychologists (student or a professional), or anybody really, that is willing to answer some questions while reading the comments. May I ask, how can I make neuroticism work for me? I've always scored high on this Big 5 personality trait whether I took an online test or an official real life one. I've researched a bit about it and most of the articles and research papers I've read almost always associate neuroticism with negative outcomes to certain areas of life (career or interpersonal).
I hope my statement makes sense, I'm trying to figure out certain aspects of my personality (and life in general) and this is one of my big hurdles to overcome.
@@ricardodegenova I'll look into it. Thank you.
Parenting. Neuroticism is higher in females for this reason as the primary care giver must be attentive to the exceptional demands on infants during the Firth’s 4 years at least. Tiring job to be fully focused and put up with their shit (literally). Being more sensitive to their needs is largely thanks to neuroticism and agreeableness, as with out these traits it would be a very draining but also unmotivatung duty to perform. A sensitive to negative emotion helps drive the person to care and attend to kids. This can also extend to early childcare roles if you want to make it work, or even in elderly car.
Just want to wish you good luck and think your good desires shine in your comment... Keep that going and it will help all along.
You can regulate your emotions by staying on top of your tasks (being conscientious) and through meditation. Gradually, as you have fewer things to worry about on a regular basis, your neuroticism will relax somewhat.
Interestingly, practicing diligence, and separately, meditating, are each processes that require you to face your fears. Facing one's fears is precisely the advise given to those that suffer from dysregulated emotions, aside from taking care of one's general health.
I took a personality test and scored bottom 10 percentile in everything except neuroticism, where i scored top 10 percentile. My IQ is pretty much carrying me through life. Also damn if only all teachers were as clear and passionate as jordan peterson.
how’d you take the personality test and IQ test?? i struggle to find an IQ test online. i did take the MBTI and i’m an INFJ which is about 2% of the population. i took a dark triad test and it said i was lighter than 2.17% of the population. i scored lower on machiavellianism and narcissism but higher on psychopathy compared to the average population. it’s very interesting.
@@syd5604 I've taken it in university 30 years ago and I took it last month and I used to be very close to the 48% 52% in favor of being an enfp but I think life has dulled my extraverted tendencies.
Fake
@@syd5604 i took it at stanford
@@syd5604well im not sure if any iq test online is viable when not checked by a psycologist/specialist
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Priceless. I say this because I didn't have to pay tuition and book fees to sit in on his class.
love you J.B.P.
01:13 Matt Walsh on the first bench taking notes
An interesting question would be the reverse. How does your choice of field affect the evolution of your personality? I do not think personality is a deep biological or genetic trait, it definitely evolves over time, and there is selection pressure for what sort of personality traits are most adaptive towards that field. We adapt out personality from the microcosm of our childhood into the general population of society. We start out with fairly extreme personalities, but I think they converge as we adapt to the selection pressure put on us by society.
It’s a mix of both really. Genetic and environment.
Thanks!
Fascinating
Just my two cents here but I think industriousness does appear in nature. Particularly in creatures that have to prep for winter creating food stashes or larders. Its a raw survival instinct, the same could be argued for people that live in cooler climates that prep for winter. Just a thought
I thought so too, initially. But you’re confusing ‘industrious’ with something else, in this context (I think). I think he’s talking about the enthusiasm with which you approach any planning or progressing of said plan. It’s the enthusiasm that has to be genuine, I guess. But, I took your point - I’d have considered the squirrels in my back yard as ‘industrious’ until now, lol!!
The question becomes do squirrels despite showing these possible characteristics possess an actual expression of time? Or is it simple instinct to bury nuts without forethought? Squirrels do not always find their nuts again, so can we really call them industrious?
Good video in that some people think "I need to get into this profession because my parents want me to". I believe matching a career based on who you are at the core increases your probability of also being successful in that career.
What do you think?
Well sure, but the problem is, being a successful butcher, craftsman etc is not really a great way to go. Most of these jobs will have low output and minimal ability leverage said skills.
Just doing something you’re passionate about is not enough. Nor do I believe we should do what our parents try to direct us to.
Parents generally give advice to secure resources and comfort. Part of this is important, part of this could be a trap into a life that feel devoid of meaning and purpose.
My temperature is Introversion, disagreeable, industrious, low in neuroticism, and low in creativity(which oddly I love to draw and paint) and I used to work in retail, I felt weak, anxious, drained and always bitter. Now I work in contractions. I LOVE IT. I don’t have to talk I just work with my hands and build with a team and talk directly about what’s mostly concerning us to gather information to achieve something to our personal judgement, what I disliked about retail it was the same shit everyday, construction there a different challenge everytime that makes you think, working with entitled customers you gotta put a smile on your face and act agreeable to it, in construction you get called a pussy when you cry for bleeding and fight someone when they are being disrespectful I LOVE IT
I'm extroverted and autistic, I make a lot of mistakes but I enjoy it so much, that makes the struggle worth it. I a high sense of conscientiousness but also a higher sense of openess. I struggle to order much of the world but I can compartimetalize it and act within that division but I'm also able to change it even though my choices become weighted very heavily. I realize how contradictory this appears but it's true. I do have limitations
Not sure about one thing: I'm pretty orderly and conscientious but I'm not conservative at all (neither politically nor in the way I live my life). I work in creative endeavours most of the time.
industriousness is left brain, conscientious people, who are also open right brain. The balance of the two traits driving openness to a point where it doesn't overwhelm the conscious part, that is fairly high but not too high to the point of being over analytical or a perfectionist. Industrious people must settle for quick answers that are good enough, but leave that issue on their open mind to ponder further in an unconscious way. Hence it isn't a direct measurement but a concern due to experience. Technically an industrious person isn't positive or sure of their choices. They feel they have no choice but to settle with what they know is the best. Often working to a goal set by their left brain conscientiousness with an imagination that is supplied by their right brain openness. So asking questions to determine if someone is industrious would require cross referencing the two traits.. ruffly ideal industrious.. conscientious "c, openness "o", inteligence "i" .. ((c/o)*i ) might be a good way of calculating industriousness. I'm not good at math but maybe log(c-85/o)*log(o-65/c)*i-181 would be another way.. maybe someone who knows how to calculate ranges in a formula could do better.
I am more introverted, but not completely. I am a secondary Ed teacher and enjoy the students and subject matter. After the workday, I do prefer time alone.
Happiness = Peace of Mind. I am a socialized Introvert.
Do personality tests work if you know how they work? Seems like it would be difficult to not project your self perception or ideal self into the data knowing how the data determines the output.
If you know how the test works then the general validity decreases due to your exact description. When I took the test I had to have a friend who I lived with for some time make sure I wasn't making any bias decisions or on the contrary, being too harsh on myself. If you select answers that brutally reflect how you generally are, not how you are sometimes or wish you were, with the help of a friend given your intel on the test, then it could come out as accurate as mine.
I think they're even more accurate in that case as long as you're aiming for accuracy.
I mean the placebo effect still works even when you're aware of it :)
Does anybody else find that what you are skilled at and what you enjoy can be very different? For me, I love teaching elementary age kids but find all the noise over stimulating. I'm skilled within medical customer service but find the frequent interruptions draining. Idk. What energizes me vs what I'm good at can be very different.
Agree totally. Bloody annoying, innit!
Yeah I think you are right. Very odd. I’m very low in extraversion and high in neuroticism. But yet I work at a winery (which I absolutely love!), doing tastings, tours, and events. I actually just started working alongside the event coordinator. Does that make sense? No. But I love my job ahahha I love the rush and chaotic jobs, that require quick problem solving. Do I like torturing myself? Maybe Lolol I think I get enjoyment from proving my negative thoughts wrong lol
If anyone took the Big 5 or OCEAN tests and had some apparent inconsistencies with their life experience, ChatGPT does a phenomenal job of sorting through the possible reasons. Example: I had numerous dimensions that would have predicted the opposite academic performance. I very much like this model, but it is still highly simplified.
His questionnaire is more focused on cross artistic area achievements than on creativity itself. True creativity is about new patterns not necessarily different skill sets. A painter can be at an higher level of creativity than a jack of all trades and master of none. Sure you can export creativity everywhere, even with common object use, decision making or with idea generation, but you can achieve higher levels if you invest your time and experience on one domain. Granted, having access to different arts gives you new patterns that you can translate to other areas. But in my experience true creativity is experimental - it's about binding and cutting ideas that have never been put together or transformed in such a way. It doesn't have to be functional, beautiful or intelligeable, they only have to be implemented. Naturally they should eventually be those things, but the creative proccess in itself only needs experimentation with uniqueness.
Industriousness is a trait of being petrified of being broke or abandoned.
not really. It is a belief that the effort is worth it.
@@sanghelian whether it’s an individual person, a business entity or a state/country - Industriousness is about progression, order and sacrifice in order to achieve it. An individuals fear of loneliness, poverty and failure. A businesses fear of failure and out performing direct competition for survival and a state or country is the same. Everything about industriousness is either about survival or making being alive better, so the people making the world go around - are high in industriousness because they know if the work isn’t put in, everything will collapse. Whether it’s their life, their business or their country. Nothing works if you don’t.
No, that does not accurately describe industriousness. What you described fits into neuroticism, which is sensitivity to negative emotion and pain. I have seen I dustrious people in my life who are not high in neuroticism at all.
@@proudatheist2042 yea because neuroticism and hardship go hand in hand. Other forms of industriousness with low IQ or less conscientious and less neurotic people would be the desire to just do something regardless to what it is. Boredom or exile motivates even the silliest of people, too.
The professor said measuring industrialness, measuring workers' productivity is a measurement of industriness. Perhaps focusing on economic measurements.
I consider myself very sociable but sometimes struggle to feel happy. I also know some are agreeable in order to avoid conflict and do not necessarily put the needs of others before their own. These are over generalizations
Should it not be the goal for all of us to develop those parts of our personality that are lacking? Introverts would benefit greatly from learning to be more outgoing, and extroverts from looking within. Same with openness and conscientiousness. Agreeability and disagreeability. Thus creating the best version of ourselves, that can choose the appropriate trait for each situation. Wholeness.
Some traits are given to us (by some extent) by birth. For example one of the older definitions of introverts is that they loose energy with social interaction while extroverts gain it. I'm not quite sure how deeply embedded it is into us but if it's changeable it should definitely possible.
I can imagine that some people would feel like they are merely wearing a mask or not being themselves but that could be caused by a wrong mindset/approach (or something else).
The idea is shadow work is accepting that you are what you are, and learning to live in accordance with that. We can't change our personality traits all that much, it requires a lot of work just to barely move the needle. Instead, try to find work that alligns well with your personality.
According to some shrink I am both introvert and extrovert. If I grew up under healthy conditions (i grew up with a violent mean drunk of a father and a negligent mother with BPD, i was abused for years), i would have been an extrovert. But because of my childhood traumas and the intense bullying because the kids sensed something was wrong with me, so they treated me like shit, i started avoiding human interaction.
I am 30 now and in the starting phase of getting a higher education. I am trying my best to think before i speak, and i have been doing research on how to interact with people, and I am slowly seeing progress. The "two step forward, one step backwards"-kind... I hope to be even better n five years time. It's a long hard way, and i will always be a bit broken from the past, but i have a strong need to change the path I thought was set in stone.
Look at your personality compared to astrological predictions based on your exact birth time. If there's a strong match, then you need to start accepting yourself and making the most of it rather than trying to reshape yourself and going against your own nature.
As an introvert, I am perfectly okay with limiting my level of human interaction and don't think I always benefit from it. I prefer to choose who I spend my time with rather then just spending it with anybody for the sake of interaction.
I bought your books. I look up to you. We all make mistakes. I made a big one. You also made a mistake about judging personality some introverts seek money.
Of course they do. Just as an aggregate not as much as those found to be higher in extraversion and disagreeableness