Not just karate, but many traditional martial arts are looked down upon.. This is due to the existence of Mcdojos, lack of pressure testing, sparring, etc… But with proper training, traditional martial arts can be as deadly as they used to be back in the old days
My uncle said he knows how to rip someone's head with his hands. I said show me! He said no. I think that's a excersize I need to learn just so I can show him.
It's a patience thing, people want quick results to reach a mediocre level of skill, whereas martial arts like karate and forms of kung fu like wing chun, Hung gar etc require investment in attaining a useful skill level. However, those that dedicate themselves to these tend to be very dangerous people, while the majority quit and make excuses for it
Good video, but getting disqualified by knocking out the opponent still is a shitty rule. It doesn't matter if it is just game, it still is a competition. Getting disqualified because of that is the same as saying: '' You lost because you were the superior fighter''.
It's bc a fight is supposed to be quick n done as fast as possible. Karate comps to "semi" contact is great. If you can show self control and when the shit hits the fan you don't pull back and lock and more than likely you've caused real damage to the opponent
It feels sucky for sure. But we have to keep in mind its a game not a fight :) Just not with a racquet but hands and feet While i do find aspects of it annoying its still a very difficult and athletic sport to master. And you get a slight peak into the combat world. Karate Combat is a good example of how one can transition.
in my opinion, this is mostly due to the olympics. to those that didn't know, when karate first appeared in the olympics, it was considered too realistic and violent, so they instead decided to do point sparring and try to make the fight as friendly as possible. now that people are aware that martial arts also have a purpose in street fighting, suddenly they want karate to be as violent and realistic as possible, so when they see the olympics, they consider karate to be a bad martial art
@pretro6136 Are you confusing Karate with Taekwondo? Taekwondo has been an Olympic sport for decades. Karate didn't begin having a "bad reputation" two and a half years ago. Taekwondo has had a bad reputation for decades.
Im a single Mom, 40year old, with 4 children, but i still training karate even in my free time...and i dont care what enyone says ...KARATE IS MY LOVE ...i love every martial arts and respect everyone who training ...love watching your videos..❤
I'm ashamed there are so many qoute on qoute "Muay Thai fighters" just being ignorant assholes online. (From someone, who has pacticed Muay Thai for a long time) They definitely do not understand or respect either their own art of eight limbs nor Karate or any other discipline for that matter. It's shameful and ridiculous. But as a wise person once said: "Smallest dog barks the loudest"
As someone learning mma who doesn't engage too much with online martial arts discourse, I didn't even know karate has a bad rep. One of the best kickers I know started from karate, and he basically drilled into me respect for karate one head kick at a time
It has a pretty bad reputation. I did Karate - it was my first martial art. I did not find it effective as a fighting art at all. But I am mindful that some people do it for fitness, or for social reasons. I wouldn't conclude that someone who is good at headkicks in MMA after doing Karate got good at headkicks because they did Karate. Karate probably gave them the mobility, but their MMA training allowed them to use that mobility effectively. I was also pretty good at throwing kicks when I did Karate but I doubt I would have ever landed one of them without training outside of Karate. Nothing wrong with do Karate for exercise, or for social reasons, or even as a fighting skills provided you find a good training place. I don't think there are many places that teach it effectively. So for the few Karateka who learn Karate effectively, I can understand why they would be frustrated by the comments other make. But the reality is that there is a lot of valid reasons for the criticisms it recieves.
People like to say they’ve seen karate practitioners get beat in street fights so it’s not affective, but anyone could lose a fight, regardless of what martial arts you do
i always thought that learning martial arts should also be about learning respect, kindness, courage and compassion, if you’re not learning this then you’re not practicing martial arts, you’re just practicing hitting stuff
Hi a Muaythai practitioner here. Not here to hate on karate but to share personal story. I used to go to a larate mcdojo when i was younger so growing up i had little respect for karate and when i got into muaythai i had the belief that bc of how much i learnt compared to the mcdojo that it was the best martial art and karate was bad. Karate definitely can hold it's own against Muaythai as we aren't trained to deal with certain techniques which make karate truley formidable. All Martial arts are amazing to learn no matter what you learn with time and practice will be effective. For all beginners in martial arts don't be demoralised be keyboard warriors keep training you will be the one with the strength.
In our dojo (Goju-Ryu karate), point sparring is just a step towards full contact sparring. Our sensei understands that you can't just make karate effective by just kata and bunkai, but also sparring. Point sparring/kumite is mostly practiced by kids, but also by adults as a way to improve footwork, distance management and timing. However, once our sensei sees that a student is ready, we slowly start doing drills with gloves, and then start fighting full contact, with the highest level including takedowns, throws, locks and a bit of groundwork. Karate was the original MMA, and we practice it as such. Goju-Ryu always had that mindset.
As another gojo-ryu practitioner, im not even sure if my dojo does sparring, I had to sign a sparring waiver although I haven't seen any, but my guess is we are doing what you did, and working our way up
Very good points. I fought in tournaments during the "blood and guts " era of karate. It makes me very sad to see what karate has become. Two facts that seems to have been forgotten is that although tournaments were point fighting, people took and gave a lot of damage, and in training we didn't point fight, we just fought.
As a TKD guy I hear it all the time online too. But I’m happy to be able to say I’ve dabbled/trained in a couple other arts since and the reality is they’re all different tools with similar but different outcomes. Some are for self defence, some for sport, some for fitness and some for mental acuity. And none of them are wrong if you’re in it for the reason they’re teaching it for. People on the internet are just jerks in general
This is such a dumb conversation bruh. Karate is still a deadly art when the focus is on crippling an opponent. I practice BJJ and even i still have enormous respect for karate due to how absolutely EXPLOSIVE practitioners can be when the don't hold back. Even in a sports/points scene, the art is still highly explosive and a joy to watch. You're seeing these guys and gals trying to read each other to jumping back and forth trying to gauge distance, reflexes, hesitation or overcommitment, I mean, jeez, it's taxing even thinking about being in that situation. At least with BJJ, as long as you don't give your back or get mounted badly, you get some breathing space to strategize and make your next move with reduced anxiety. Karate's dope man, almost all martial arts and even western forms of fighting sports like Boxing, Kickboxing, and Wresting are incredibly helpful skillsets bro. It's why MMA is still so diverse and Karate, while not as highly used as before, is still respected and utilized for learning it's fast-paced, hard hitting techniques. Fuck the keyboard warriors. I feel I agree with some of the comments, probably some of the biggest influences for damaged reputation is the mcdojo crisis which is fair honestly.
MMA made people realize that boxing on its own is almost nothing but when complenented with other effective martial arts its a complete game changer. Karate doesn't put much emphasis on that
Most of these keyboard warriors dont even do martial arts, they just watch ufc fights or martial arts fights on youtube but have no experience and still think they know what they are waffling bout
Great video. Thank you for your work. :) In our dojo, we focus in more traditional practice of Kata and Bunkai (application) and the sports part is just another way of practicing, which is different and should not negatively affect the former. For example, we do not perform a traditional Kata the same way a sport Kata is performed, but practicing a Kata for a competition can help you iron some kinks that you can then apply to the traditional practice. Competition can also be a good motivator. Regarding Kumite, I think that most people criticize non-full contact practice because they believe that every fight should be to a knock-out or with the intention of hurting someone or making them "surrender". It would be akin to saying fencing is "improper" or "fake" because they do not get cut. Also, the aspect of control in point sparring should not be understated; it is not that they cannot full-contact kick you in the head, it is that they do not. The intention and the approach is different from full contact, but the athleticism required is undeniable.
I do Muay Thai. My older sibling does karate - naturally, we spar pretty much at any chance. I still get beat - probably about half the time. We respect each other a lot and are good friends. I think trying to be friends with everyone in your life is a fools errand, but respect is important until it is broken. Also remember you can never know the full story until you look for it, and statements should be based around full stories and empathy towards those in them. You did a good job displaying more of the story in this debate.
This is an amazing video. The Point Kumite (Ippon Kumite) part was spot on. People see a video and they think that Ippon Kumite is what we think is effective and what would actually “work in a fight” I’ve also literally seen people clowning on Karate because of Taikokyu Shodan, thinking it’s what people use in a fight 😭 But yeah long comment but nice video I subscribed.
I've trained in a lot of styles. Through the years I've stuck with Yoshukai karate and Shao-lin kung fu. I have a deep respect for all martial arts and I found the best one is the one you practice religiously. It really is that simple for me. Great video by the way. Thank you.
I started doing JKA shotokan (just did my first belt test, white -> red) and I have so much more respect for karetekas. To lay people it can look a little goofy but this is among the hardest things I’ve ever done physically. Doing anything with proper technique takes more patience, core strength, hip strength, coordination, and flexibility than random people can appreciate Every time I leave practice my muscles are sore as if I been lifting weights all day, it’s amazing really
As a Muay Thai practitioner, I respect old school Karate and Taekwondo, but point system is really bad for these martial arts because they are overshadowing full contact competitions. Another problem is that people are getting black belts too early (I’ve seen it myself in my former TKD dojo). You literally can see children wearing the black belts in Karate and TKD dojos. These are two main problems about modern Karate and TKD besides McDojos. Those two martial arts are not bad, but the modern ones are not in the best shape.
Both problems actually go hand in hand. McDojo's were instrumental in the watering down of Karate and TKD because their success is what destroyed more traditional dojos as people flocked to the paths of least resistance. Thus more traditional TKD and Karate curriculums were abandoned for the more "sport" oriented. What I find fascinating is that TKD and Karate continue to be very popular with Children through teenagers but with Adults Muay Thai/Kickboxing/Boxing/BJJ are significantly more popular, likely due to the rise of MMA and exposure of these styles to wider audiences. What's frustrating is that TKD and Karate dojos seem so reticent to add anything to their curriculums while many gyms that do Boxing for example will also do Kickboxing, Muay Thai, and Grappling.
@@thisismyyoutubecommentacco6302 you're absolutely right, man! I don't understand that "sport oriented" thing. When you're good at full contact fights, you can do "sports" as well. Actually all of the full contact competitions ARE SPORT. I think "sport/olympics oriented" is just an excuse for mcdojos to make it more family friendly and to don't teach people the martial arts discipline though hardship and perseverance.
I practiced Shito-Ryu for almost two years, and it left me completely empty. Allow me to elaborate. First time i saw the karate Exhibition thought it was really cool and enrolled on high school karate team. For two years i practiced just two ukes, gedan Mawashi Geri, Jodan Mawashi Geri and mae geri. Plus three katas. Taking in consideration i went four times a week for two hours, it was too little content for that amount of time. I never shy away from rought training, but we spared very little, we practiced very few things besides form. And the sparring stopped when a uke was miles away from landing. I quit and went to other martial arts that filled me more, and two years after shito Ryu, began two explore karate back in the web. And found another meaning to it. And understood how sport karate has diluted the original art to an extend is washed away. Regarding Sports karate, i think it can be usefull, but we need to focus it back to not just point sparring, not fauling a continous combat ( as combats are) and practice the martial aspect 60% of time, since most of the times we learn martial arts as a way to defend ourselves. Because if is just "health" and "values" there are other activities that can do that. But only martial arts can teach you how to defend plus the two above. It is not an attack rather a concer for a sport that currently can not beat other sports in actual combat or popularity not because it can´t, but because the practice was changed leaving it to a sub optimal state.
One way I've always looked at it is; it's not the style that's effective, it's the person who practices the style. Anyone can do Boxing, Muay Thai, Karate, or any other style and can get absolutely dominated by someone from another style. I have done multiple styles over 18 years, and I personally find boxing to be one of the more useful ones for me personally to use in a fight despite training in some other styles for longer. Like I said, it all comes down to the person who's practicing the style, not the style itself. And even with that, I may have trained for 18 years, but it does not mean in the slightest that I am guaranteed to win fights against those with less or no experience. It just means I have a much higher advantage because I am accustomed to it. I'm proud enough to say that I have lost my fair share of fights, even against those who have 0 experience at all. All it takes is for me to make one wrong move, or for them to make one right move. Don't be a keyboard warrior, you look stupid if you are one.
Excellent channel! I am a 54 year old, blue belt in sport karate. You are a true gentleman and an expert martial artist! We appreciate all that you do! Blessings!
I currently only do BJJ but have been looking into striking martial arts. Thanks to Machida and Wonderboy I was actually looking into karate. However, the biggest problem is that in my area there are too many McDojos so it’s impossible for me to find one that’s worth while. But if I had access to a legit karate dojo I’d seriously consider becoming part of it
Because it went to Japan who wanted karate to be more striking based and to fit into the school system. Japan already had judo, jj and sumo wrestling. Sport karate has ruined traditional karate.
In fist to fist combat, it wouldn’t work well. In armed to armed combat, it would be like training to use the sword or spear. Their downward swings, and backhanded strikes would catch opponents off balance.
As a a former kyokushin karateka and now shotokan karateka, I think you missed a couple things: 1) we did this to ourselves and linked to this is the hyper romanticism of certain beliefs. A lot of shotokan dojos will go on about Ikken Hissatsu and justify modern point sparring based on that philosophy. As a former kyokushin guy I roll my eyes when I hear this. 2) as someone who grew up in the heyday of the karate 80s and the. watched it get annihilated during the 90s rise of early mma/ufc… we ended up losing a lot of respect and never changed our ways to regain it or alter or training to bring back old curriculum (for example almost no shotokan or kyokushin dojos practice any of the old grappling). Some of the criticism is justified. With that said I will always forever remain a karateka at heart but we need to change the way dojos are run and how we train too
completely agree too many teachers are obsessed with passing on karate exactly as they where taught instead of trying to further the art we know for a fact karate had grappling elements in the past why not try to restore them
Karate is a fighting art. One of the main reasons karate has a bad wrap is because most people who send kids to karate wants kids to protect themselves without ever sparring but only do Kata. I've met many people who tell me they do boxing or Muay Thai but has never spared in their lives.
I am so happy that fencers don't go through this shit. While other martail arts and etc. fight for who is the best, fencers just go "get sword, stab sword."
Karate is theory, if it works or not depends on the practitioner. I use to practice that, but at the end i fell in love with fighting sports, all of them, from Karate, Boxing, Muay thai, to wrestling, Jiujitsu, Judo and many others. I came to the conclusion that almost every one of those got something interesting, but the ultimate sport was the mma, not the show but the different styles and mixes that athletes were capable.
I think it’s media in general because things like karate kid and cobra Kai make it look over extreme and ridiculous whereas actual karate can be effective and not flashy
I practice Choy Li Fut, and while basically nobody who isn't well-informed on martial arts styles generally knows about it in the West, all I have to do is say "well, it's a Chinese martial art..." to get them started on "oh, you mean KUNG FU! Oooh, you gonna backflip me to death, Crouching Tiger?" Very annoying and completely inaccurate to most CLF schools, but I get it. Modern exhibition-focused wushu styles have utterly destroyed the reputation of basically all Chinese martial arts, regardless of how they're trained or the exact nature of a given style.
Very respectful and true. The reason I will not make my 1. Dan with the DKV (German Karate Assoziationen) is the sport karate. It is not an art anymore but a sport. I respect the sport but karate in a whole is so much more than just sport.
Why did Karate lose its reputation is simple - in western countries it has become "a ballet for everyone". Dojos in western countries don't amount to much more than this in most cases nowadays - "suitable for everyone"
my friends say that tkd is useless in a real fight, cause the fights they see are matches where the goal is not for self-defence but gaining as many points as you can, humbled them real quick when I knocked the breath out of them in training even with those chunky kick pads protecting them; they learnt not to diss my sport, i've taught them several kicks and theyve taught me how to take someone down with judo
In the street everything can work because people is not used to it, in the ring/cage is a different history. Is a good way to control your legs and set kicks, personally the only thing i has against is about hitting with the foot (you can easily get injure), the shin bone does that better. But that aside the lateral kicks are some of the best thing i saw in this guys that do this sport.
I do boxing and bokator (an ancient Cambodian martial art) and when I try out Karate, I was amazed at how cool and quick it is. Practicing karate was so much fun and enjoyable. My favorite move is definitely the Haito.
I started with Japanese Jujutsu. I had the option to also do kickboxing and Muay Thai. I'm doing Muay Thai because the class is right after Jiu-jitsu, so I can guarantee being able to come to the class.
The issue I have with Karate is that a lot of Dojo’s present it as a competent fighting style and present it as practical. Once I transitioned to MMA I realised how big of a difference there is, and while I had a decent base for high and fast kicks etc. sparring will truly test all of that. I feel as though if you want to be able to fight and defend yourself, Karate is definitely not the first choice.
I agree but I also think the rise of the "Mcdojo" and the whole idea of "making martial arts easy" had a lot to do with it. Karate and TKD both get a lot of hate because there are so many places offering things like, "Get your black belt in a year!" And when those people can't fend for themselves when the time comes, it makes the whole martial art look bad.
I completely agree, whenever I’m at training we always do fighting (WKF competition style) and I find it really boring not because it’s bad but because it’s all we do even though there are a lot of other things in karate such as basics, combinations, kata etc. Whereas when we do kata sometimes it can be over 2 months since we last did it at training and I find that ridiculous
Great video. Also thank you Nat I can’t find a non McDojo near me and I used to do kickboxing. Your videos are the next best thing and you’ve really helped
High level wrestling and grappling would do the job. Also he is one of the only examples of Karate actually working at an elite level and even then his style is modified to suit Mma. I am also saying this as someone who did Karate and later transitioned to Mma and saw the difference. Karate has its place and I respect it but it is not that practical
Great video. Point karate teaches an amazing set of skills. Translates easily into full contact sports. (Timing, distance management, movement, speed) Been doing karate mixed with other bits since i was 12 (49 now) Still love it.
right, they just need to get used to the brutal reality of combat sports and they should be set because in point sparring, you have sharper eyes since you need to make the point count. Translating that aspect to the full contact takes a while, but once you get used to getting hit more frequently then it'll eventually kick in
i still think tkd kicks hard just like back then but point karate do to injuries they made them wear shin guards and gloves , i'm not a point fighter though but i'm just bored and fed up lol , just wish i was born earlier where it was a hardwr style .
@Iceboirblx well mostly yes just like today but you had to kick hard and show the judges that you could shake your aponent with strong kicks to get points back then but now it's just tap the armor and the sensor goes off and you got a easy point
You think karate gets a lot of hate? Try being a Tae Kwon Do teacher! Seriously, yes, the sport styles take a style far from the origins in self-defence and attract all the keyboard warriors.
The thing I hold against karate teaching (in colleges anyway) is that they taught how to punch, but not how to do it effectively. We practiced soft contact. The first time I hit a heavy bag, after having fought a tournament, I realized my punches wouldn't hurt a fly. I swore I'd never do a martial art that didn't involve full contact, even if only with a bag, and switched to boxing, where they taught the fundamentals from day one, not just how to go through the motions.
Agree with you on sport Karate. My style is more traditional Okinawan Karate. We don't really use point sparring more free style sparring which is more realistic. We also included Kobudo (weapons) and also some ground defense. McDojo's are also a big problem.
@@Star-Lion I think its because kids sometimes become bullies because they take a mcdojo karate course and think that they can fight, thereby thinking that they're the stronger ones, I've heard a story like that, and it made sense Obviously that isnt real Karate
The main problem is that it isn't taught properly in a lot of schools. It's just barely taught as an art form and sometimes as a sport. Most schools don't teach people how to use it for combat and that is why it is disrespected a lot of the time. I'm not saying that people should belittle other styles, but I am saying that your video largely ignores the real problem. It argues from the presupposition that there isn't anything wrong with modern karate, and that its critics are just being hateful
I had practiced and still practicing combat muy boran (a mix of different muay boran styles like muay chiya, Thaiyuth, etc). But i also love two karate styles. My favorites are Uechi ryu from Okinawa, nasty and very good for self defense and the other one is Kyokushin.
Amd you said, Thai martial arts have one fundamental pillar, the respect. Even if we win in a combat, we must show our respects to our rival. They teach you to learn how to be a good looser, if you loose. And last but not least, they teach you how to be a good winner too. Without mocking of your rival. And that’s beautiful.
Im a boxer who now trains in muay thai and submission wrestling. I've sparred a karate practitioner and he was so fast, unpredictable and flexible. Personally I'm not a fan of the kata and point sparring but because they clearly see that it won't help them in a real fight and they actually have the tools to protect themselves, there is nothing but respect from my end Plus there are techniques I like to use that come from karate
I do karate and kickboxing but kata is grappling and also karate isnt made for sport ik i sound like im crazy but im js they got throws takedowns and other stuff
I do karate and kickboxing but kata is grappling and also karate isnt made for sport ik i sound like im crazy but im js they got throws takedowns and other stuff but I dont do point sparring so idk
I do sport karate and I completely agree with you but I also train impact for hours on end and I do contact sparring sometimes but I have fallen in love with karate sport and traditional
I’ve never done karate in my life; it was mostly boxing and muay-thai. But I have a friend who practiced karate all his life (Shotokan) and I can say with no doubt that he is the best fighter I’ve ever personally known. After all, it would be rather hard to dispute his skills, since he kicked my sorry ass more times than I can count :D (but to be fair to myself, I also defeated him many times). What I admire about him the most is his discipline, ultra-flexible body and his unparalleled ability to learn and adapt. And perhaps this is the best thing karate has to offer. Karate may not be the best option when confronted with striking martial arts such as muay-thai, lethwei or boxing (although I’m far from saying that this is a bad option), but this splendid flexibility and natural openness to learn new technics (I taught him boxing punches and some moves from muay-thai, like knees; soon he became far better than me) makes karate, in my opinion, one of the best - and perhaps simply the best - base style for anyone who wants to practice striking martial arts. It’s just so wonderfully open-minded! That’s one thing. Another is that I have a problem with you, Nat. I cannot (nor want to) deny your skills; your level seems pretty close to that of my friend. The thing is that… well, everything looks nice when you’re hitting a punching bag. Maybe I’m wrong, but this is the difference between you and my friend. You are both karatekas, but he never hesitated to trade punches, kicks and knees with practitioners of other martial arts; this is precisely why I know he's a great fighter. This is also why I far prefer Gabriel Varga’s channel to yours: he is also a karateka, but he took part in many competitions, he is battle-tested, and when I listen to him, I know that he is speaking from a true experience. In your case, not so much. I hope you’re not offended, I’m not trolling you. It’s just I really would love to see you fight instead of ridiculing street-fighters (about whom I don’t give a flying fuck) or recreating karate technics that led to ko in a real competition; I’ve already seen them, after all. Everyone is entitled to his opinion, of course. Mine is this: you’re a true martial artist only when you’re competing with other martial artists. If you’re not, then well, it’s good for your health and confidence, and may be also useful in case of danger. So yeah, totally worth it. But still… I hope you know what I mean ;) Best wishes to you.
Read the whole thing and completely agree, I always feel like if you've never put your martial arts to the rest against other practitioners, then are you really a martial artist? You aren't going to see the full extent of your ability if all you've used your skills on is people who have never done any martial arts. I hope you all have a blessed day.
So the best fighter you've ever personally known, you've defeated a few times? Well you must be really good, that must make YOU the greatest fighter you've ever known. So how about you put up some videos of you fighting, perhaps BKB against a BKB or against a trained Lethwei fighter? Why don't you put up some videos on RUclips and share them, with you fighting other styles and let us judge how good you are? I'd love to see it. You know, practice what you are preaching here? No offense,... and all that.
I recently trained with someone who got their Shodan about 20 odd years ago. Gave up after Shodan grading came back after 20 years and got their 2nd dan straight away. I love Karate but at the same time Karate has become an embarrassment because of the bullshit standards. As long as they pay for a grading they get promoted. So you have 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Dan's and so on who can't even stand properly or move in stance or even punch and block properly which in turn has made Karate into a joke when in fact Karate is one of the best styles out there if done properly because it builds a solid foundation of core basic skills.
Interesting use of tennis as an example, considering it started as a way for French fencers to condition and to hone their fundamentals. "Sportification" has been going on with martial arts for thousands of years (you didn't really think Greco-Roman wrestling started as just a way to get two dudes to roll around in front of spectators, did you?). It's neither inherently bad nor inherently good - it just is, and what you do with it is what matters.
What about Kyokushin ? i have a friend who won 3 championships and world championship at the age of 14- ish she is a girl and i can tell that she can kick and punch as a truck,. and i beleive that it would work in a street figh scenario, liek just doing heavy punches
As much as I love Muay Thai I will admit we do have a fairly biased and toxic community when it comes to comparing muay thai to other striking styles lol. There was a time where I really wanted to do Karate when I was a kid and I use to love watching kung fu movies so I will never be a hater. Kudos to anybody who does ANY kind of martial art, and never quit even if a muay thai fighter tells you to ❤️
I like the way Jesse Enkamp puts it martial arts are like a mountain at the bottom they all look different but the further up the mountain you start seeing similarities
It's simple, they haven't trained in it and know almost nothing about it, ask a Muay Thai fighter who says they totally do MMA what Kudo is and they'll tell you they have no idea. Kudo is a style of Karate/Judo that's one of the core fundementals of MMA, with almost the exact same rules just no cage and in some cases less rules, such as eye gouges, knees, headbutts and elbows being allowed but in a gi and helmet. A lot of MMA guys I train with do it or have done it, including olympic champions. That's not even to mention the other styles that aren't just "BJJ + Muay Thai" such as Sanda, or Dutch Kickboxing. But training martial arts is a lot harder than it is to type on a keyboard.
Who the fuck cares what Kudo is. Only people who want to continue doing a form of karate care. Why would a Muay Thai practitioner care about Kudo when they can expand their knowledge by just doing MMA classes?
The thing about karate is that as most other "traditional" Martial arts it doesn't train or doesn't put much emphasis on boxing. Muay thai learnt to incorporate boxing and blend it into their own style, that's why it works so well. People like lyoto Machida and wonderboy use their karate effectively because by competing in MMA they had to learn some boxing. That's why Karate combat is better than kyokushin IMO and more of a challenge for styles like muay thai and kickboxing
I did TKD for 11 years, Wing Chun for 5 years, then moved onto Muay Thai for the past 3years. I can say in my personal experience that Muay Thai has easily been the most effective and beneficial style of fighting i’ve done of the 3. In saying that, respect to all Martial Arts, as each have their overall strengths and weaknesses 🙏🏽
It was ruined by Hollywood and the unrealistic expectations that were sold to the public. A nerd gets picked on so goes to a karate school and stands in a horse stance for a few months then confronts his bully and still gets bodyslammed. That's karate.
3:50-4:20 is exactly what weve been saying. it shows perfect tecnique, distance management and control; we can lose the control and absolutely do damage if we wanted to
@@ancientdarkness3102 i mean perfect according to the sport. there are a lot of details and id say throwing a super explosive and fast kizami or gyaku is harder than throwing a normal jab or cross (although the normal way is more efficient in a fight).if you can throw these super demanding tecniques then you can easily throw the normal ones even better
If you fight Shotokan--explain to me the purpose of the very deep stance. As far as I can tell, it just puts one fist and foot further from the target, giving them more time to react.
I am a Goju-ryu guy, and we don't have so deep stances, but I demand my students to go into deep stances and do big, almost exaggerated, moves in training. Because under stress, in a self defense situation, you would shorten your moves. If you shorten the big move you learned, it will probably still work. But if you shorten already short move... 🤷♂️ So (at least from my point of view) very deep stances are training tools, not meant for actual fighting.
But it also puts one hand and leg closer to the target (and your head away from the opponent);p Stances suit the rules of martial arts, muaithai have different than kickboxing, karate or BJJ. Even karate styles have different stances. Some posiotins are also only a frozen picture between other moves and you can see them also in MMA if you stop the fight in a right moment.
The stance represents a weight transfer position. To transfer your weight you bend one leg and straighten the other. So the stance is the movement not a fixed position as it is often practiced. However I would agree most stances are too long and too wide in my opinion. I think this is down to a the astetics it looks better in competition but it slows your movement down.
I think it is because you cannot practice fighting against air. You also cannot rely on a preset sequence of actions; you have to counter what your opponent is doing.
I 100% agree with you. When you look at karate of old it was practiced using a variety of techniques. What I've found is the focus on gradings and specific drills and limit what people can do and miss the wide variety of other techniques used in karate for deaf defense situations.
It does kind of suck though when you're practicing in the dojo with a partner and have a good clean back and forth going, but then the fight ends because of a point.
Not just karate, but many traditional martial arts are looked down upon.. This is due to the existence of Mcdojos, lack of pressure testing, sparring, etc… But with proper training, traditional martial arts can be as deadly as they used to be back in the old days
👍👍agreed
My uncle said he knows how to rip someone's head with his hands. I said show me! He said no. I think that's a excersize I need to learn just so I can show him.
It's a patience thing, people want quick results to reach a mediocre level of skill, whereas martial arts like karate and forms of kung fu like wing chun, Hung gar etc require investment in attaining a useful skill level. However, those that dedicate themselves to these tend to be very dangerous people, while the majority quit and make excuses for it
@@raditztherunt9288 couldn't have said it better myself, friend
@@blazingdragon9607 There are many mcdojos Muay thai schools. So why doesn't Muay thai have a bad name? 💩
Good video, but getting disqualified by knocking out the opponent still is a shitty rule. It doesn't matter if it is just game, it still is a competition. Getting disqualified because of that is the same as saying: '' You lost because you were the superior fighter''.
I do agree, however, it is only meant to be a “game”, there are competitions where the rules are different and the aim is to ko the opponent
You are not wrong, but I guess this rule is to avoid people willingly trying to KO the opponent
It's bc a fight is supposed to be quick n done as fast as possible. Karate comps to "semi" contact is great. If you can show self control and when the shit hits the fan you don't pull back and lock and more than likely you've caused real damage to the opponent
I went to an amateur MMA/boxing tournament. The MMA rounds all ended in submission; the boxing in knockouts. So which is really rougher?
It feels sucky for sure.
But we have to keep in mind its a game not a fight :)
Just not with a racquet but hands and feet
While i do find aspects of it annoying its still a very difficult and athletic sport to master. And you get a slight peak into the combat world.
Karate Combat is a good example of how one can transition.
in my opinion, this is mostly due to the olympics. to those that didn't know, when karate first appeared in the olympics, it was considered too realistic and violent, so they instead decided to do point sparring and try to make the fight as friendly as possible. now that people are aware that martial arts also have a purpose in street fighting, suddenly they want karate to be as violent and realistic as possible, so when they see the olympics, they consider karate to be a bad martial art
Same reason Judo doesn't have leg grabs anymore.
Karate was only in the Olympics in 2020 Tokyo Summer Olympics.
@@paulstone5917 that was enough to change the public opinion
@pretro6136 Are you confusing Karate with Taekwondo? Taekwondo has been an Olympic sport for decades. Karate didn't begin having a "bad reputation" two and a half years ago. Taekwondo has had a bad reputation for decades.
@@paulstone5917 no, most people i knew actually thought karate was amazing before the Olympics
Im a single Mom, 40year old, with 4 children, but i still training karate even in my free time...and i dont care what enyone says ...KARATE IS MY LOVE ...i love every martial arts and respect everyone who training ...love watching your videos..❤
I'm ashamed there are so many qoute on qoute "Muay Thai fighters" just being ignorant assholes online. (From someone, who has pacticed Muay Thai for a long time)
They definitely do not understand or respect either their own art of eight limbs nor Karate or any other discipline for that matter. It's shameful and ridiculous.
But as a wise person once said: "Smallest dog barks the loudest"
Well said bro, all the muay thai think's that they're gods or something
As someone learning mma who doesn't engage too much with online martial arts discourse, I didn't even know karate has a bad rep. One of the best kickers I know started from karate, and he basically drilled into me respect for karate one head kick at a time
👍👍karate produces some incredible kickers
It has a pretty bad reputation. I did Karate - it was my first martial art. I did not find it effective as a fighting art at all. But I am mindful that some people do it for fitness, or for social reasons.
I wouldn't conclude that someone who is good at headkicks in MMA after doing Karate got good at headkicks because they did Karate. Karate probably gave them the mobility, but their MMA training allowed them to use that mobility effectively.
I was also pretty good at throwing kicks when I did Karate but I doubt I would have ever landed one of them without training outside of Karate.
Nothing wrong with do Karate for exercise, or for social reasons, or even as a fighting skills provided you find a good training place. I don't think there are many places that teach it effectively. So for the few Karateka who learn Karate effectively, I can understand why they would be frustrated by the comments other make. But the reality is that there is a lot of valid reasons for the criticisms it recieves.
People like to say they’ve seen karate practitioners get beat in street fights so it’s not affective, but anyone could lose a fight, regardless of what martial arts you do
probably mcdojo karate practitioners
@@StriderWolf Elite dangerous martial art only for CIA*
i always thought that learning martial arts should also be about learning respect, kindness, courage and compassion, if you’re not learning this then you’re not practicing martial arts, you’re just practicing hitting stuff
Hi a Muaythai practitioner here. Not here to hate on karate but to share personal story. I used to go to a larate mcdojo when i was younger so growing up i had little respect for karate and when i got into muaythai i had the belief that bc of how much i learnt compared to the mcdojo that it was the best martial art and karate was bad. Karate definitely can hold it's own against Muaythai as we aren't trained to deal with certain techniques which make karate truley formidable. All Martial arts are amazing to learn no matter what you learn with time and practice will be effective. For all beginners in martial arts don't be demoralised be keyboard warriors keep training you will be the one with the strength.
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In our dojo (Goju-Ryu karate), point sparring is just a step towards full contact sparring. Our sensei understands that you can't just make karate effective by just kata and bunkai, but also sparring.
Point sparring/kumite is mostly practiced by kids, but also by adults as a way to improve footwork, distance management and timing. However, once our sensei sees that a student is ready, we slowly start doing drills with gloves, and then start fighting full contact, with the highest level including takedowns, throws, locks and a bit of groundwork.
Karate was the original MMA, and we practice it as such. Goju-Ryu always had that mindset.
Don't compare goju to mma. Mma is a joke
As another gojo-ryu practitioner, im not even sure if my dojo does sparring, I had to sign a sparring waiver although I haven't seen any, but my guess is we are doing what you did, and working our way up
Very good points. I fought in tournaments during the "blood and guts " era of karate. It makes me very sad to see what karate has become. Two facts that seems to have been forgotten is that although tournaments were point fighting, people took and gave a lot of damage, and in training we didn't point fight, we just fought.
As a TKD guy I hear it all the time online too. But I’m happy to be able to say I’ve dabbled/trained in a couple other arts since and the reality is they’re all different tools with similar but different outcomes. Some are for self defence, some for sport, some for fitness and some for mental acuity. And none of them are wrong if you’re in it for the reason they’re teaching it for.
People on the internet are just jerks in general
take stephen wonderboy thompson for example
He was also an undefeated kickboxer not just a pure karate fighter.
He’s a great example👍
@@lessthanpinochetmany, many kickboxers were also karateka, kickboxing has karate roots
@@nathearn can show taekwondo combos
Point sparring teaches you blitzing.
What everyone needs to accept, that different styles helps you specialize that's the beauty of it.
This is such a dumb conversation bruh. Karate is still a deadly art when the focus is on crippling an opponent. I practice BJJ and even i still have enormous respect for karate due to how absolutely EXPLOSIVE practitioners can be when the don't hold back. Even in a sports/points scene, the art is still highly explosive and a joy to watch. You're seeing these guys and gals trying to read each other to jumping back and forth trying to gauge distance, reflexes, hesitation or overcommitment, I mean, jeez, it's taxing even thinking about being in that situation. At least with BJJ, as long as you don't give your back or get mounted badly, you get some breathing space to strategize and make your next move with reduced anxiety. Karate's dope man, almost all martial arts and even western forms of fighting sports like Boxing, Kickboxing, and Wresting are incredibly helpful skillsets bro. It's why MMA is still so diverse and Karate, while not as highly used as before, is still respected and utilized for learning it's fast-paced, hard hitting techniques. Fuck the keyboard warriors. I feel I agree with some of the comments, probably some of the biggest influences for damaged reputation is the mcdojo crisis which is fair honestly.
MMA has opened people’s eyes to grappling and full-contact striking.
MMA made people realize that boxing on its own is almost nothing but when complenented with other effective martial arts its a complete game changer. Karate doesn't put much emphasis on that
@@ancientdarkness3102 yeha no MMA fighter has ever used karate cause its dog shit unless the other guy is also doing karate
Most of these keyboard warriors dont even do martial arts, they just watch ufc fights or martial arts fights on youtube but have no experience and still think they know what they are waffling bout
taekwondo took a bigger hit. old school taekwondo is crazy
Taekwando is weaker than karate
but its faster
True I actually have a friend that does taekwondo and he said the same
A lot of the issues mentioned are present in Taekwondo, especially ever since it was introduced to the Olympics
"Tennis won't work in a fight"
I dunno bout that
not only are you bringing projectiles into the mix
you're bringing a melee weapon as well
Great video. Thank you for your work. :)
In our dojo, we focus in more traditional practice of Kata and Bunkai (application) and the sports part is just another way of practicing, which is different and should not negatively affect the former. For example, we do not perform a traditional Kata the same way a sport Kata is performed, but practicing a Kata for a competition can help you iron some kinks that you can then apply to the traditional practice. Competition can also be a good motivator.
Regarding Kumite, I think that most people criticize non-full contact practice because they believe that every fight should be to a knock-out or with the intention of hurting someone or making them "surrender". It would be akin to saying fencing is "improper" or "fake" because they do not get cut. Also, the aspect of control in point sparring should not be understated; it is not that they cannot full-contact kick you in the head, it is that they do not. The intention and the approach is different from full contact, but the athleticism required is undeniable.
Very well said, I agree with you here👍
I do Muay Thai. My older sibling does karate - naturally, we spar pretty much at any chance. I still get beat - probably about half the time. We respect each other a lot and are good friends. I think trying to be friends with everyone in your life is a fools errand, but respect is important until it is broken. Also remember you can never know the full story until you look for it, and statements should be based around full stories and empathy towards those in them. You did a good job displaying more of the story in this debate.
Been doing Shukokai Karate since 2015. Started at 49 now 57 and now Shodan.
Nice!👊
This is an amazing video. The Point Kumite (Ippon Kumite) part was spot on. People see a video and they think that Ippon Kumite is what we think is effective and what would actually “work in a fight”
I’ve also literally seen people clowning on Karate because of Taikokyu Shodan, thinking it’s what people use in a fight 😭
But yeah long comment but nice video I subscribed.
I've trained in a lot of styles. Through the years I've stuck with Yoshukai karate and Shao-lin kung fu. I have a deep respect for all martial arts and I found the best one is the one you practice religiously. It really is that simple for me. Great video by the way. Thank you.
I started doing JKA shotokan (just did my first belt test, white -> red) and I have so much more respect for karetekas.
To lay people it can look a little goofy but this is among the hardest things I’ve ever done physically. Doing anything with proper technique takes more patience, core strength, hip strength, coordination, and flexibility than random people can appreciate
Every time I leave practice my muscles are sore as if I been lifting weights all day, it’s amazing really
As a Muay Thai practitioner, I respect old school Karate and Taekwondo, but point system is really bad for these martial arts because they are overshadowing full contact competitions.
Another problem is that people are getting black belts too early (I’ve seen it myself in my former TKD dojo). You literally can see children wearing the black belts in Karate and TKD dojos.
These are two main problems about modern Karate and TKD besides McDojos.
Those two martial arts are not bad, but the modern ones are not in the best shape.
Both problems actually go hand in hand. McDojo's were instrumental in the watering down of Karate and TKD because their success is what destroyed more traditional dojos as people flocked to the paths of least resistance. Thus more traditional TKD and Karate curriculums were abandoned for the more "sport" oriented.
What I find fascinating is that TKD and Karate continue to be very popular with Children through teenagers but with Adults Muay Thai/Kickboxing/Boxing/BJJ are significantly more popular, likely due to the rise of MMA and exposure of these styles to wider audiences. What's frustrating is that TKD and Karate dojos seem so reticent to add anything to their curriculums while many gyms that do Boxing for example will also do Kickboxing, Muay Thai, and Grappling.
@@thisismyyoutubecommentacco6302 you're absolutely right, man! I don't understand that "sport oriented" thing. When you're good at full contact fights, you can do "sports" as well. Actually all of the full contact competitions ARE SPORT. I think "sport/olympics oriented" is just an excuse for mcdojos to make it more family friendly and to don't teach people the martial arts discipline though hardship and perseverance.
I practiced Shito-Ryu for almost two years, and it left me completely empty. Allow me to elaborate. First time i saw the karate Exhibition thought it was really cool and enrolled on high school karate team. For two years i practiced just two ukes, gedan Mawashi Geri, Jodan Mawashi Geri and mae geri. Plus three katas. Taking in consideration i went four times a week for two hours, it was too little content for that amount of time. I never shy away from rought training, but we spared very little, we practiced very few things besides form. And the sparring stopped when a uke was miles away from landing.
I quit and went to other martial arts that filled me more, and two years after shito Ryu, began two explore karate back in the web. And found another meaning to it. And understood how sport karate has diluted the original art to an extend is washed away.
Regarding Sports karate, i think it can be usefull, but we need to focus it back to not just point sparring, not fauling a continous combat ( as combats are) and practice the martial aspect 60% of time, since most of the times we learn martial arts as a way to defend ourselves. Because if is just "health" and "values" there are other activities that can do that. But only martial arts can teach you how to defend plus the two above.
It is not an attack rather a concer for a sport that currently can not beat other sports in actual combat or popularity not because it can´t, but because the practice was changed leaving it to a sub optimal state.
One way I've always looked at it is; it's not the style that's effective, it's the person who practices the style. Anyone can do Boxing, Muay Thai, Karate, or any other style and can get absolutely dominated by someone from another style. I have done multiple styles over 18 years, and I personally find boxing to be one of the more useful ones for me personally to use in a fight despite training in some other styles for longer. Like I said, it all comes down to the person who's practicing the style, not the style itself.
And even with that, I may have trained for 18 years, but it does not mean in the slightest that I am guaranteed to win fights against those with less or no experience. It just means I have a much higher advantage because I am accustomed to it. I'm proud enough to say that I have lost my fair share of fights, even against those who have 0 experience at all. All it takes is for me to make one wrong move, or for them to make one right move.
Don't be a keyboard warrior, you look stupid if you are one.
Yes I agree with you 100%👍
Excellent channel!
I am a 54 year old, blue belt in sport karate.
You are a true gentleman and an expert martial artist!
We appreciate all that you do!
Blessings!
I currently only do BJJ but have been looking into striking martial arts. Thanks to Machida and Wonderboy I was actually looking into karate. However, the biggest problem is that in my area there are too many McDojos so it’s impossible for me to find one that’s worth while. But if I had access to a legit karate dojo I’d seriously consider becoming part of it
find a kyokushin dojo , not a mc dojo kyokushin dojo , a legit one , but if you life in USA you likely won't find a good one 😥
Because it went to Japan who wanted karate to be more striking based and to fit into the school system. Japan already had judo, jj and sumo wrestling. Sport karate has ruined traditional karate.
I think the issue with modern karate is alot of modern schools that teach sport karate preach that point fighting will get you proficient in fighting.
At this point I'm waiting for some ultimate badass to prove that tennis would work in a real fight
In fist to fist combat, it wouldn’t work well. In armed to armed combat, it would be like training to use the sword or spear. Their downward swings, and backhanded strikes would catch opponents off balance.
@@flyingturret208thecannon5 and surely the footwork and endurance training, plus the required reflexes would be handy in a fight.
As a a former kyokushin karateka and now shotokan karateka, I think you missed a couple things:
1) we did this to ourselves and linked to this is the hyper romanticism of certain beliefs. A lot of shotokan dojos will go on about Ikken Hissatsu and justify modern point sparring based on that philosophy. As a former kyokushin guy I roll my eyes when I hear this.
2) as someone who grew up in the heyday of the karate 80s and the. watched it get annihilated during the 90s rise of early mma/ufc… we ended up losing a lot of respect and never changed our ways to regain it or alter or training to bring back old curriculum (for example almost no shotokan or kyokushin dojos practice any of the old grappling).
Some of the criticism is justified. With that said I will always forever remain a karateka at heart but we need to change the way dojos are run and how we train too
completely agree too many teachers are obsessed with passing on karate exactly as they where taught instead of trying to further the art we know for a fact karate had grappling elements in the past why not try to restore them
Well put👍
Karate is a fighting art. One of the main reasons karate has a bad wrap is because most people who send kids to karate wants kids to protect themselves without ever sparring but only do Kata.
I've met many people who tell me they do boxing or Muay Thai but has never spared in their lives.
Karate is like cancer.....it ranges from harmless to totally deadly.
Frl, one good kick can shatter the ribs in an instant
Great comment.
I am so happy that fencers don't go through this shit. While other martail arts and etc. fight for who is the best, fencers just go "get sword, stab sword."
Karate is theory, if it works or not depends on the practitioner.
I use to practice that, but at the end i fell in love with fighting sports, all of them, from Karate, Boxing, Muay thai, to wrestling, Jiujitsu, Judo and many others.
I came to the conclusion that almost every one of those got something interesting, but the ultimate sport was the mma, not the show but the different styles and mixes that athletes were capable.
Effectivness of every martial art depends on the practitioner...
Everything depends on the practitioner
I think it’s media in general because things like karate kid and cobra Kai make it look over extreme and ridiculous whereas actual karate can be effective and not flashy
Yes true👍
I do a type of Japanese Ju jitsu which has elements of karate and other arts which is why I respect other arts
I practice Choy Li Fut, and while basically nobody who isn't well-informed on martial arts styles generally knows about it in the West, all I have to do is say "well, it's a Chinese martial art..." to get them started on "oh, you mean KUNG FU! Oooh, you gonna backflip me to death, Crouching Tiger?"
Very annoying and completely inaccurate to most CLF schools, but I get it. Modern exhibition-focused wushu styles have utterly destroyed the reputation of basically all Chinese martial arts, regardless of how they're trained or the exact nature of a given style.
Very respectful and true. The reason I will not make my 1. Dan with the DKV (German Karate Assoziationen) is the sport karate. It is not an art anymore but a sport. I respect the sport but karate in a whole is so much more than just sport.
Why did Karate lose its reputation is simple - in western countries it has become "a ballet for everyone". Dojos in western countries don't amount to much more than this in most cases nowadays - "suitable for everyone"
my friends say that tkd is useless in a real fight, cause the fights they see are matches where the goal is not for self-defence but gaining as many points as you can, humbled them real quick when I knocked the breath out of them in training even with those chunky kick pads protecting them; they learnt not to diss my sport, i've taught them several kicks and theyve taught me how to take someone down with judo
In the street everything can work because people is not used to it, in the ring/cage is a different history.
Is a good way to control your legs and set kicks, personally the only thing i has against is about hitting with the foot (you can easily get injure), the shin bone does that better.
But that aside the lateral kicks are some of the best thing i saw in this guys that do this sport.
Nat Hearn to me is the British Jesse Enkamp. That’s a compliment by the way
I do boxing and bokator (an ancient Cambodian martial art) and when I try out Karate, I was amazed at how cool and quick it is. Practicing karate was so much fun and enjoyable. My favorite move is definitely the Haito.
Bokator is just muay Thai but original by the khmers.
Nice!! Haito is a good one👍
I started with Japanese Jujutsu. I had the option to also do kickboxing and Muay Thai.
I'm doing Muay Thai because the class is right after Jiu-jitsu, so I can guarantee being able to come to the class.
Ur muay thai trainings gonna suffer alot if ur only doing it straight after jiu jitsu
The issue I have with Karate is that a lot of Dojo’s present it as a competent fighting style and present it as practical. Once I transitioned to MMA I realised how big of a difference there is, and while I had a decent base for high and fast kicks etc. sparring will truly test all of that. I feel as though if you want to be able to fight and defend yourself, Karate is definitely not the first choice.
I think sparring is a the point here. Do Karate, do sparring.
I train Shotokan Karate, I don't like point sparring. but I love Karate Combat so much
I don't care about the style: If you spar, you are doing a good MA. If you don't, you aren't.
I agree but I also think the rise of the "Mcdojo" and the whole idea of "making martial arts easy" had a lot to do with it.
Karate and TKD both get a lot of hate because there are so many places offering things like, "Get your black belt in a year!" And when those people can't fend for themselves when the time comes, it makes the whole martial art look bad.
Yes I agree . Would I be scared to fight someone who did all of their training in a McDojo ? Probably not .
You look so wise in the video Nat! I like this version :)
Thank you!💪
It’s not just karate but most martial arts now just seem watered down because of their “sport” version like karate and taekwondo 😢
Including BJJ
Yeah 😔
I completely agree, whenever I’m at training we always do fighting (WKF competition style) and I find it really boring not because it’s bad but because it’s all we do even though there are a lot of other things in karate such as basics, combinations, kata etc.
Whereas when we do kata sometimes it can be over 2 months since we last did it at training and I find that ridiculous
Great video. Also thank you Nat I can’t find a non McDojo near me and I used to do kickboxing. Your videos are the next best thing and you’ve really helped
Really appreciate that and glad they’ve helped👊
Anyone who thinks karate isn't effective should challenge Stephen "Wonderboy" Thompson to a fight.
fr
hes a menace
High level wrestling and grappling would do the job. Also he is one of the only examples of Karate actually working at an elite level and even then his style is modified to suit Mma. I am also saying this as someone who did Karate and later transitioned to Mma and saw the difference. Karate has its place and I respect it but it is not that practical
@@StalinNation A good striker can deal with a grappler.
Great video.
Point karate teaches an amazing set of skills.
Translates easily into full contact sports. (Timing, distance management, movement, speed)
Been doing karate mixed with other bits since i was 12 (49 now)
Still love it.
right, they just need to get used to the brutal reality of combat sports and they should be set
because in point sparring, you have sharper eyes since you need to make the point count. Translating that aspect to the full contact takes a while, but once you get used to getting hit more frequently then it'll eventually kick in
Taekwondo also got massacred, more than other martial arts
i still think tkd kicks hard just like back then but point karate do to injuries they made them wear shin guards and gloves , i'm not a point fighter though but i'm just bored and fed up lol , just wish i was born earlier where it was a hardwr style .
Did tkd fight with only kicks?
@Iceboirblx well mostly yes just like today but you had to kick hard and show the judges that you could shake your aponent with strong kicks to get points back then but now it's just tap the armor and the sensor goes off and you got a easy point
"Separate the art from the artists." It really does apply to every sport.
I think the bad boys from Cobra Kai gave karate a bad name. No such thing as bad student, only bad teacher Daniel San.
A lot of people hate karate because they know they would suck at it themselves
You think karate gets a lot of hate? Try being a Tae Kwon Do teacher! Seriously, yes, the sport styles take a style far from the origins in self-defence and attract all the keyboard warriors.
The thing I hold against karate teaching (in colleges anyway) is that they taught how to punch, but not how to do it effectively. We practiced soft contact. The first time I hit a heavy bag, after having fought a tournament, I realized my punches wouldn't hurt a fly. I swore I'd never do a martial art that didn't involve full contact, even if only with a bag, and switched to boxing, where they taught the fundamentals from day one, not just how to go through the motions.
It's easier to teach 4 techniques than a hundred:)
What is soft and full contact?
Agree with you on sport Karate. My style is more traditional Okinawan Karate. We don't really use point sparring more free style sparring which is more realistic. We also included Kobudo (weapons) and also some ground defense. McDojo's are also a big problem.
You can find use from all martial arts! thinking about why only one is worth learning is just ridiculous. Lovr your videos keep it up! 😊
Sure you can find use in all martial arts but would you rather choose one that has 90% effectiveness or 10% effectiveness
If only there were a big tournament where all these martial arts could come together and see which art is truly the best.
cringe and that's coming from someone who loves the kengan asura manga
I would say 2 things... Watch Karate Combat!!!! And watch Lyoto machida or Stephen Thompson in the ufc.
Karate Combat is great except some of the rules i.e no close hooks or elbows. Knees were illegal for a while iirc also.
There’s a lot of bullies being trained up today
What do you mean, that karate people are becoming bullies?
@@Star-Lion I think its because kids sometimes become bullies because they take a mcdojo karate course and think that they can fight, thereby thinking that they're the stronger ones, I've heard a story like that, and it made sense
Obviously that isnt real Karate
@@JasonAizatoZemeckis only in usa lol .
The main problem is that it isn't taught properly in a lot of schools. It's just barely taught as an art form and sometimes as a sport. Most schools don't teach people how to use it for combat and that is why it is disrespected a lot of the time.
I'm not saying that people should belittle other styles, but I am saying that your video largely ignores the real problem. It argues from the presupposition that there isn't anything wrong with modern karate, and that its critics are just being hateful
I had practiced and still practicing combat muy boran (a mix of different muay boran styles like muay chiya, Thaiyuth, etc). But i also love two karate styles. My favorites are Uechi ryu from Okinawa, nasty and very good for self defense and the other one is Kyokushin.
Amd you said, Thai martial arts have one fundamental pillar, the respect. Even if we win in a combat, we must show our respects to our rival. They teach you to learn how to be a good looser, if you loose. And last but not least, they teach you how to be a good winner too. Without mocking of your rival. And that’s beautiful.
Im a boxer who now trains in muay thai and submission wrestling. I've sparred a karate practitioner and he was so fast, unpredictable and flexible.
Personally I'm not a fan of the kata and point sparring but because they clearly see that it won't help them in a real fight and they actually have the tools to protect themselves, there is nothing but respect from my end
Plus there are techniques I like to use that come from karate
I do karate and kickboxing but kata is grappling and also karate isnt made for sport ik i sound like im crazy but im js they got throws takedowns and other stuff
I do karate and kickboxing but kata is grappling and also karate isnt made for sport ik i sound like im crazy but im js they got throws takedowns and other stuff but I dont do point sparring so idk
I used to do karate as a kid
Helped me a lot honestly with blocking punches and kicks and also gave me some knowledge
I do sport karate and I completely agree with you but I also train impact for hours on end and I do contact sparring sometimes but I have fallen in love with karate sport and traditional
Thanks for explain it to the world Nat... OSU!!! 🥋
I’ve never done karate in my life; it was mostly boxing and muay-thai. But I have a friend who practiced karate all his life (Shotokan) and I can say with no doubt that he is the best fighter I’ve ever personally known. After all, it would be rather hard to dispute his skills, since he kicked my sorry ass more times than I can count :D (but to be fair to myself, I also defeated him many times).
What I admire about him the most is his discipline, ultra-flexible body and his unparalleled ability to learn and adapt. And perhaps this is the best thing karate has to offer. Karate may not be the best option when confronted with striking martial arts such as muay-thai, lethwei or boxing (although I’m far from saying that this is a bad option), but this splendid flexibility and natural openness to learn new technics (I taught him boxing punches and some moves from muay-thai, like knees; soon he became far better than me) makes karate, in my opinion, one of the best - and perhaps simply the best - base style for anyone who wants to practice striking martial arts. It’s just so wonderfully open-minded!
That’s one thing. Another is that I have a problem with you, Nat. I cannot (nor want to) deny your skills; your level seems pretty close to that of my friend. The thing is that… well, everything looks nice when you’re hitting a punching bag. Maybe I’m wrong, but this is the difference between you and my friend. You are both karatekas, but he never hesitated to trade punches, kicks and knees with practitioners of other martial arts; this is precisely why I know he's a great fighter. This is also why I far prefer Gabriel Varga’s channel to yours: he is also a karateka, but he took part in many competitions, he is battle-tested, and when I listen to him, I know that he is speaking from a true experience. In your case, not so much.
I hope you’re not offended, I’m not trolling you. It’s just I really would love to see you fight instead of ridiculing street-fighters (about whom I don’t give a flying fuck) or recreating karate technics that led to ko in a real competition; I’ve already seen them, after all. Everyone is entitled to his opinion, of course. Mine is this: you’re a true martial artist only when you’re competing with other martial artists. If you’re not, then well, it’s good for your health and confidence, and may be also useful in case of danger. So yeah, totally worth it. But still…
I hope you know what I mean ;)
Best wishes to you.
Omd you wrote a lot😳
Read the whole thing and completely agree, I always feel like if you've never put your martial arts to the rest against other practitioners, then are you really a martial artist? You aren't going to see the full extent of your ability if all you've used your skills on is people who have never done any martial arts. I hope you all have a blessed day.
@@bjorn4266 where's your channel? Let's see your skills.
So the best fighter you've ever personally known, you've defeated a few times? Well you must be really good, that must make YOU the greatest fighter you've ever known.
So how about you put up some videos of you fighting, perhaps BKB against a BKB or against a trained Lethwei fighter? Why don't you put up some videos on RUclips and share them, with you fighting other styles and let us judge how good you are? I'd love to see it.
You know, practice what you are preaching here? No offense,... and all that.
Watched the olympic games. A guy getting kicked out got silver.
I think combat karate are gonna change everything ! 🤗❤
Great video, I love it!
muay thai keyboard warriors when they see this: NO KARATE IS JUST TRASH
I would love to see a video where you explain how to deal with fear for sparring (mostly getting hurt)
I recently trained with someone who got their Shodan about 20 odd years ago. Gave up after Shodan grading came back after 20 years and got their 2nd dan straight away.
I love Karate but at the same time Karate has become an embarrassment because of the bullshit standards.
As long as they pay for a grading they get promoted. So you have 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Dan's and so on who can't even stand properly or move in stance or even punch and block properly which in turn has made Karate into a joke when in fact Karate is one of the best styles out there if done properly because it builds a solid foundation of core basic skills.
Wish everyone were like you on the internet...
Kyukoshin Karate all the way! 100 man Kumite's, punching bamboo, sparring and sparring.
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Thank you, Nat, for bringing this topic up and sharing your thoughts
Thank you for commenting👊
Interesting use of tennis as an example, considering it started as a way for French fencers to condition and to hone their fundamentals.
"Sportification" has been going on with martial arts for thousands of years (you didn't really think Greco-Roman wrestling started as just a way to get two dudes to roll around in front of spectators, did you?). It's neither inherently bad nor inherently good - it just is, and what you do with it is what matters.
What about Kyokushin ? i have a friend who won 3 championships and world championship at the age of 14- ish she is a girl and i can tell that she can kick and punch as a truck,.
and i beleive that it would work in a street figh scenario, liek just doing heavy punches
Have you analyzed or got in a street fight yourself ??
Just askin'
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As much as I love Muay Thai I will admit we do have a fairly biased and toxic community when it comes to comparing muay thai to other striking styles lol. There was a time where I really wanted to do Karate when I was a kid and I use to love watching kung fu movies so I will never be a hater. Kudos to anybody who does ANY kind of martial art, and never quit even if a muay thai fighter tells you to ❤️
I like the way Jesse Enkamp puts it martial arts are like a mountain at the bottom they all look different but the further up the mountain you start seeing similarities
Yes I also agree with this👍
It's simple, they haven't trained in it and know almost nothing about it, ask a Muay Thai fighter who says they totally do MMA what Kudo is and they'll tell you they have no idea. Kudo is a style of Karate/Judo that's one of the core fundementals of MMA, with almost the exact same rules just no cage and in some cases less rules, such as eye gouges, knees, headbutts and elbows being allowed but in a gi and helmet. A lot of MMA guys I train with do it or have done it, including olympic champions. That's not even to mention the other styles that aren't just "BJJ + Muay Thai" such as Sanda, or Dutch Kickboxing. But training martial arts is a lot harder than it is to type on a keyboard.
Who the fuck cares what Kudo is. Only people who want to continue doing a form of karate care.
Why would a Muay Thai practitioner care about Kudo when they can expand their knowledge by just doing MMA classes?
The thing about karate is that as most other "traditional" Martial arts it doesn't train or doesn't put much emphasis on boxing. Muay thai learnt to incorporate boxing and blend it into their own style, that's why it works so well. People like lyoto Machida and wonderboy use their karate effectively because by competing in MMA they had to learn some boxing. That's why Karate combat is better than kyokushin IMO and more of a challenge for styles like muay thai and kickboxing
I did TKD for 11 years, Wing Chun for 5 years, then moved onto Muay Thai for the past 3years. I can say in my personal experience that Muay Thai has easily been the most effective and beneficial style of fighting i’ve done of the 3. In saying that, respect to all Martial Arts, as each have their overall strengths and weaknesses 🙏🏽
In my province, in Canada, you can't even touch when you throw a punch unless you're above a certain age range.
Yeah I’ve seen this before too
People forgot how to use blocking
My first time on your site and love it! Great content and done very well.
It was ruined by Hollywood and the unrealistic expectations that were sold to the public. A nerd gets picked on so goes to a karate school and stands in a horse stance for a few months then confronts his bully and still gets bodyslammed. That's karate.
3:50-4:20 is exactly what weve been saying. it shows perfect tecnique, distance management and control; we can lose the control and absolutely do damage if we wanted to
I wouldn't say perfect technique, when I see point fighters throwing punches it makes me cringe
@@ancientdarkness3102 i mean perfect according to the sport. there are a lot of details and id say throwing a super explosive and fast kizami or gyaku is harder than throwing a normal jab or cross (although the normal way is more efficient in a fight).if you can throw these super demanding tecniques then you can easily throw the normal ones even better
Bros chin is giga🗿
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Thanks bro hahah
If you fight Shotokan--explain to me the purpose of the very deep stance. As far as I can tell, it just puts one fist and foot further from the target, giving them more time to react.
I am a Goju-ryu guy, and we don't have so deep stances, but I demand my students to go into deep stances and do big, almost exaggerated, moves in training. Because under stress, in a self defense situation, you would shorten your moves. If you shorten the big move you learned, it will probably still work. But if you shorten already short move... 🤷♂️
So (at least from my point of view) very deep stances are training tools, not meant for actual fighting.
Lots of reasons. Powerful striking being one. Ever heard "he is sitting down on his punches"? Deep stances lends itself to throwing with power.
But it also puts one hand and leg closer to the target (and your head away from the opponent);p
Stances suit the rules of martial arts, muaithai have different than kickboxing, karate or BJJ. Even karate styles have different stances.
Some posiotins are also only a frozen picture between other moves and you can see them also in MMA if you stop the fight in a right moment.
In early Karate "a lot" of grappling was involved, where its useful to have a more grounded stand
The stance represents a weight transfer position. To transfer your weight you bend one leg and straighten the other. So the stance is the movement not a fixed position as it is often practiced. However I would agree most stances are too long and too wide in my opinion. I think this is down to a the astetics it looks better in competition but it slows your movement down.
I think kata is made fun of because most of the people they see doing kata don't take it to heart, so they never get to properly use it.
I think it is because you cannot practice fighting against air. You also cannot rely on a preset sequence of actions; you have to counter what your opponent is doing.
I 100% agree with you. When you look at karate of old it was practiced using a variety of techniques. What I've found is the focus on gradings and specific drills and limit what people can do and miss the wide variety of other techniques used in karate for deaf defense situations.
It does kind of suck though when you're practicing in the dojo with a partner and have a good clean back and forth going, but then the fight ends because of a point.
that's point karate yes .
thoughts on terence crawford and errol spence fight?