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With all respect to karate, they restricted half of muay thai and tried to call it a fair fight
only punches and elbows at head height were prohibited, is that all necessary to break the muay thai game?
@@matheusantunes3078 it is a very big part of it, yes. Muay thai elbows are quite powerful. Its like putting a boxer and a muay thai fighter in a ring and not letting the muay thai guy kick
@iamagenius-vt3zx the head is one of the most effective spots to hit. Also, what was the last time you could effectively land an elbow to the body?
A lot of competitive Karate really needs to add punches to the head and probably weight classes too, -- but then it just becomes kickboxing. :x
@@anastasisparastatidis5479 I thought that the great weapon of muay thai was the low kicks, he could still have landed elbows in the chest area despite the fact that elbows to the body were forbidden, but if we stop to think, the muay thai guy didn't even shorten the distance of the fight to get a knee, I don't think he would land an elbow so easily
Karate with head strikes = Kickboxing
Kickboxing with more weapons = Muay Thai
Well the Muay Thai stance and some techniques are very different to kickboxing. And the fighting logic/ martial art point is different. (Example: kickboxing stance tends to be more lateral and wide Muay Thai stance is more square, hand placement is slightly different) obviously everything depends on the fighter and the stance, hand placement fighting style etc… can change depending on the fighter too
I mean … no knees, no elbows, no clinch … it’s hardly MT really
it is what it is ig
But another advantage bare hand for Muay thai
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Seems like whenever someone else is fighting a Muay Thai fighter to prove it's not the best martial art, there's always a bunch of rules where they bascially remove 50% of the arsenal of the Muay thai fighter. No elbows, no knees, no clinch, and sometimes even no strikes to head ect, if you have to make up a bunch of rules to cater to one specific martial art it's not fair, should be anything goes.
This place looks like a Karate dojo, so the Muay Thai guy is the one that even put himself in this situation in the first place. Actually, most Muay Thai vs Karate fights always go like this. The only fair fights we have between Karate and MT is seen in K-1 and in One Championship.
this isn't a real fight since it didn't showcase all capabilities both fighters had. It's more like a "conditioning competition" where they tested who had better body conditioning.
You can't really compare Muay thai and karate like this, Mr. Muay thai wasn't allowed to use elbows, knees and clinching. This is a great way to show off their kicks though, no doubt about it, but i would still love to see a "Traditional" fight with gloves mouthguards and everything
karate also uses elbows, punches to the face, knees, throws, chops, back fist, body elbows etc. I think if a kyokushin fighter starts training to hit the face, it will be really deadly cause karate straight punches are the strongest kind of punches
@@weirdgrimjow5372 Oh, i actually didn't know that. I thought elbows and knees were forbidden in karate. But i still find it funny how a "Martial art" has rules that prevents hits to the head when it's allowed in "Normal" karate
@@kvist2228 in my dojo we were taught everything. We regularly sparred and focused on knuckle and chin conditioning. We even practiced throws and real life scenarios much like krav maga. It really does depend on the dojo that one is enrolled at.
@@kvist2228 Kyokushin karate has taken a lot of techiniques from other martial arts, like taekwondo and muay thai, so at least in this scenario both fighters could've used knees and elbows to hit. As for punches to the face that has more to do with how impossible it is to condition your head to take punches. Image training and receiving such a blunt punch from a higher belt to the face, that's one sure way to get a concussion. Kicks to the face are allowed though so I don't understand why so may kyokushin practitioners have such low guards.
@@weirdgrimjow5372Chin conditioning? Can you tell me more?
The Thai fighter connnected with a blazing fast hook at the end. People are giving the Kyokushin guy too much shit. That was a nasty bare knuckle shot. The thing is that they were obviously doing a Kyokushin rules match, so dude wasn't expecting to be nailed in the face. Other than that I would say that the karate guy was actually having the upper hand and he's clearly supremely conditioned.
i think the karate guy was having the upper hand in the karata match but he clearly lost the fight. if you don't train with punches to the face you wont expect or handle it well when u do get punched in the head, the karate guy always gets knocked out because he only knows how to punch and get punched in the body
@@metalface_villainespecially with a muay Thai fighter too
it was a accidental touch after a kick dont be silly
but it still hurts dont get me wrong
The punch to the face didn't hurt him, it was an accidental eye gouge. Slow down the footage, and you'll see.
Thid video happened in the Philippines and the Muay Thai guy is currently my friend’s Muay Thai coach as well lmao, he’s a nice and funny dude
Those Muay Thai leg kicks were BRUTAL
Or rather, MUAY THAI is brutal. Tbh, i think kyokushin karate is as brutal.
nah, it always depends on the fighter
Both threw some great leg kicks in there👍
Naaah. Bare knuckle fists to the face are more brutal. Just look at the Kyokushin guy's reaction to getting punched in the face compared to getting his leg kicked. Big difference.
@@vanzabala7960 sure, but culture produces the fighter. People aren't born with the skills or knowledge
Apparently, according to some comments in the original, the Muay Thai guy's kick accidentally went into his eye, which led to the stoppage. (or at least the kick pushed his fist into his eye).
The Muay Thai guy didn't mean to do it though, so all is well.
Came for the jawline stayed for the video
Bro CAME for what?⁉️🤨
@@doob.Did I stutter?
bro looks like the chad meme, bro looks like handsome squidward (that's not a compliment)
As a martial artist with over 20 years of experience, believe me when telling you: It always depends on the person and not the martial art itself.
And don't come with questions like: But what if you compare a karate fighter and a MT fighter with equals skills. You will never find such two fighters. No one has exactly equal skills, especially when it's about two different martial arts.
Thank you. I always say that fighting is a set of skills and abilities completely independent from style, and that the ability to fight will make almost any style work for you. Literally everyone hates that opinion. 😅
thats partially right, if its only 1v1 yes it depends on the fighters more than the martial itself, but if we have many fights where 80% of the time a martial art practitioner wins over another then we can say confidently that the former martial art is superior. take for example takwondo vs MT i bet that most of the time MT guy will win no matter how good the Taekwondo guy is
Why limit anything if u wanna do muythai vs karate just do all blow out , muythai didn’t clinch knee no elbow .
karate was limited to ya know, in kyokushin we can use knees and elbows too, we also have takedowns so this was unfair for both martial arts
If they cannot punch head that hard it's especially unfair they should also wear gloves next time @@kelvinx2206
@@kelvinx2206 Limit by can not punc to the face haha
@@kelvinx2206this was much more proximal to a karate rule set though. No strikes to the head, no gloves thereof-strong bias
@@NarutoUzomaki65 Muay Thai guy was lucky they didn't allow face punches cause the Kyokushin fighter would've split his head open cause unlike Muay Thai in Kyokushin they condition their knuckles to break bones, boards, rocks etc and they do practise head punches just don't use it in sparring
mauy thai was definitely holding back; no clinching, no elbows, no knees.. only standard punching and kicking.. but props to the karate guy for the durable legs.
I practise muay thai but I respect all martial arts. People who hate on karate do not know what they are talking about karate is a fantastic martial art
mad respect to the muay thai guy giving respect by bowing to his downed opponent
I feel like under thai rules the Karate fighter would have been elbowed in the face several times throughout that fight
Kyokushin has elbow strikes too, I don't know what set of rules are being used on this fight
I’m one minute into the video and I can already tell that the rules nerfed Muay Thai a lot
Why ?
if they would've been allowed to hit in the face i am confident that the Kyokushin fighter would've won they have much harder punches and yes they do practise head punches just don't apply it in sparring for some reason and Muay Thai fighters don't condition their knuckles mostly only their body and legs
It was mind-blowing to see how the karate guy took every leg kick like it was nothing.
Both of them put a good fight
100%👍
It's less common for people to TKO from shots to the outer leg- less nerve endings so you feel the kick less. The inner thigh is a much softer target, just harder to reach. Most of the MT coaches I've had say to target the back of the knee if you're kicking from the outside.
remember fighting one martial art doesnt mean you have a restricted moveset😂😂
fun fact: the kyokushin guy youre talking about is our sensei and hes the world branch chief of kyokushin karate his name is Sensei "Artemio Mancol"
Like how the fck u win against a guy that is literally tanking your punches like they were nothing. Is not like he is countering them or something, he just walks forward, that's crazy, big rspect. Everything said, muay thai guy wasn't throwing neither punches, elbows, or knees so i think he was holding back pretty much tbh.
Real Karate is brutal. Very much "no rules everything goes". It was made to survive life threatening situations where you could actually die. Kyokushin rules isnt even a decent representation.
so was muay thai's muay boran past. judo's japanese jujutsu past. khun khmer's bokator past. most martial arts at some point were used to fight in the battlefield with no rules. karate isn't unique at that aspect, not even close.
@@WasiulWahid-ot7cjhe's saying kyokushin isn't a great representation of karate as it's a dumbed down version made to compete with boxing as a spectator sport. IE not real karate like say Goju ryu, where the grappling joint locks throws and take downs were not removed. That is to say most of its tools were removed leaving striking almost exclusively exclusively. You wouldn't say "this is plumbing at its finest" if the plumber showed up with just a screw driver. Is the point he is trying to make I believe.
I see no point to an "martial" art that doesnt allow to punch in the face. It´s not realistic at all!
Bro, they do but no in competitions. Bare knuckle to the face is insane.
It's a sport... And if someone starts a fight with you on the street, most definitely they aren't very trained (if at all) and so a leg kick demolishes them anyway. And even then, if you are a Kyokushin practitioner you are still physically able to actually punch in the face; if that's what you find convenient in a particular situation without rules, then absolutely go for it, but competitions are different.
There are only 3 striking styles in the world:
Boxing
Muay Thai
and others
As a boxing practitioner, I'm terrified of Muay Thai fighters not because it's superior but because it's more feral.
To me, Boxing is just a 'beat-you-up' but Muay Thai really wants to hurt you. I get flustered a bit when I hear someone does Muay thai, it's just the fear of a broken bone I guess😅 but mad respect to them.
To those wanting to learn a striking style; Boxing is above moderate striking, above moderate defence while Muay thai is excellent striking, moderate defense.
Really? I have just started muay thai and I would be afraid of boxers became they move way to fast and dodge so much I could never hit them because muay thai is so short range and I would just get overwhelmed by the amount of punches being thrown at me.
@@yeetman9892 Yeah (I love martial arts so much!!!). For me what I'm most scared of from sparring with someone who does Muay Thai is those low kicks. Boxing teaches you to keep your feet grounded while moving and especially in a sparring session where you can't just rush in and it's prolonged, there's only an amount of kicks my thighs could take not to mention a knee when you keep close distance.
That's why I'm a little bit flustered about Muay thai because unlike boxing, it's there to do real damage. That's why I consider it the only style that can be compared with boxing
@@whatidoknow3417What do you think of kickboxing as a boxer?
MT doesn’t really aim to break bones. Usually they try to hurt muscle and nerves point like chin or below ear
@@yeetman9892 keep learning control the space and distance. legs always longer(have exceptional some have punch longer than your leg if they very tall) and muay thai have foot work skill too call "ย่างสามขุม" (yang sam khum)
As a Kyokushin practitioner, I agree that Muay Thai is very strong, but that's not a reason to underestimate us!
I know punches to the face are not allowed in Kyokushin competition,But do you practice defence against them in training?
@@tomdewyn5689Kyokushin people can definitely defend head punches. It’s simple adjustments, there are many kyokushin fighters who can easily transition to muay thai or kickboxing in a week.
@@tomdewyn5689 similar to Boxing, we also have head defenses, blocks and such.
@@tomdewyn5689 not only that they also teach us to fight in the ground 👍
hi fellow comrade
the kyokushin guy is like 20kg heavier than the muay thai guy so of course he ll tank more n deliver heavier blows , all those lead low kicks that "did nothing" were to set up the massive high roundhouse by le muay thai fighter.
ive taken karate for years its funny seeing people say it won't work in a real fight
Yeah I know hahah
5:30 elbows should be allowed even in kyokushin rules and also here we do kicks to the face so that's allowed
I'd say it was a decent fight, but the muay thai guy definitely won. I mean, apparently punches to the face weren't allowed, as well as elbows and clinches, basically kyokushin rules, and the karate guy still had two "downs", while the muay thai guy didn't really receive a strong hit, and he also was very respectful, so that's that.
The downs came from illegal strikes under "Kyokushin rules".
Yep as to look I think he hit him in the eye that's why
He didn't win if he used techniques that were not allowed in the rules. If you can't win without cheating then you didn't win.
@@robcherry4504 lol
Every time when i fight vs karate or kickboxer with "muay thai" im not allowed to use many moves.
It would be interesting to fight kickboxer or karate with full muay thai rules. Its just though to be unfair
Watch Hiroki Akimoto fights in One Championship ;)
@@alexeymitjaew6926 okey
@@diminpalkatoyj4254 just saying if you're fighting against kyokushin karate you're also fighting against a restricted practitioner, you're not the only one being restricted
Muay Thai boxers still don't use all their weapons.
Fist, foot, knee, elbow
He can but he didn't. In kyokushin u can use knee and elbow
Why do you look AI generated
This is like the time a while ago where they said a kickboxing guy was better than a Muay Thai guy because they took out 90% of his options
the kyokushin guy took all the leg kicks like it was nothing but as soon as he gets kicked to the head once he droppes and cries it just seems very suspicious ngl
Well yeah, as nat said, kyokushin isn’t allowed to hit the face. This means they aren’t used to it in the slightest. This was shown by how he failed to check the head kick, when someone who does Muay Thai seriously would have probably checked that correctly or at least got up after that.
it were punches that hit the face
@@skelly_snipez1291 I have seen multiple videos of kyokushin matches where they kick in the face even here the kyokusshin guy tried to kick the muay thai guy in the face
@@skelly_snipez1291 ? He did check it? In fact the Muay Thai guy was limping because of it because when the Kyokushin Karate practitioner blocked Muay Thai was only able to catch his elbow, pretty rough if you ask me, no one is used to eye gouges either no matter the martial art so i didnt expect the guy to even fight any further than the first kick which caught and gouged his eye, Kyokushin isnt trained to expect being hit in the head because they dont allow head hits but somehow he got up and kept fighting after an eye gouge, thats respectable
@@skelly_snipez1291 you can't condtion your face
"I guess the karate guy is winning cus he is taking the leg kicks well"😂😂
Bruh
They literally got no rules dnd both of them need gloves and stuff, that's probably why the Muay Thai guy maybe held back. But I have huge respect for these guys, the kyokushin one could take his leg kicks, while the other fighter could take the kicks and punches. Amazing
That's the fun fact - Kyokushin Karatekas are trained to fight bare handed. So Muay Thai guy doesn't have to hold back here, Kyokushin is a full contact style but still fight bare handed, so Kyokushin Karate fighters are usually more conditioned to absorb body hits than anyone else . Muay Thai's main advantage against Kyokushin is that they are used to hit in the face and so has better face defence instinct and techniques. And Kyokushin's main advantage against Muay Thai is that they are trained to spar and fight full contact in bare hand which condition their body like no other martial arts do.
@@aritramitra4401 you can't really condition your face like i mean you can't at all the more blows you take to the head the more damage you will recieve
As a karateka of 20+ years, when a friend asks me which martial art to learn for self defense, I tell them Muay Thai/BJJ/boxing/kickboxing for when you need to be able to handle yourself decently in 2 years. Most of the time, by 2 years of any of those disciplines (while being consistent and giving it good effort of course) they should be able to handle themselves out on the street to survive and defend themselves. Karate, while it can still give the same results, can take much longer as it is more traditional and takes more time to get to the same level (depending on style, dojo, and instructor). A metaphor I loosely use is that Karate is the textbook way so to speak, while other martial arts can be a more "learn by doing" and labwork that can make learning much more quickly and efficiently.
You copy pasted the comment.
Karate also is more flashy
@@acornpoet It depends on the practitioner. My brother does Karate. And anyone who fought him knows, he comes like the wind and recks everyone. He already had several street fights and nobody dares approach him when he is silent and angry.
@@EasypediaTech copy and pasted?
@@phanthomboy3 Yes. I read this exact comment on another video.
Muay thai v kyokushin with kyokushin rules, now try with muay thai rules
everytime i watch a martial art vs muay thai match they always make rules that takes away almost all of the arsenal of muay thai, like throwing knees, clinching, elbows etc. whats even the point then
@@Ryu-qk1kx exactly, the fight wouldve been different is the muay thai was allowed to elbow,knee and punch to the face
Andy Hug K1 tournament? No?
@@andrei.boxing ofc it would've been the Muay Thai guy would've bled to death with an fractured skull cause unlike Muay Thai in Kyokushin they CONDITION their knuckles to literally break things as rocks,boards and bones Muay Thai fighters just use gloves and don't condition their knuckles just like boxers they fracture their knuckles all of the time
As someone that's done Kickboxing for many years, and only less than a year ago, switched to Kyokushin, I can tell you, in regards the conditioning, the conditioning of a Kyokushin fighter, is on a different level to any other martial art, including Muay Thai.
Are you aware of how Thai fighters train at all?
@@fivefootfive9671 I've trained for years in Kickboxing/Muay Thai, Im guessing longer than yourself.
Firstly, you're sparring with thick shin pads and pillow gloves. Spar with no gloves, no shin pads, like in Kyokushin, and do many conditioning drills, and tell me how different it feels...
Hence, the guys that Ive seen from Kyokushin, are generally significantly more conditioned than the guys from my past Kickboxing/Muay Thai gyms.
@@AlexHellene tbh I can’t invalidate your claims because I don’t have as much kyokushin experience as you-perhaps not even as much kickboxing.
That doesn’t change the fact that they aren’t trained to defend their head. No amount of conditioning matters if you get knocked out.
Head defense is 80% of good defensive training in kickboxing/Muay Thai. Defense period is the most important thing, conditioning comes far after. I’d even put cardio, mobility and footwork ahead of conditioning. More critical aspects of conditioning such as bone density really come down to building muscle according to current research, so that comes down to strength training. Like it’s cool that kyokushin guys have the mental grit to take a hit anywhere that’s not their head, but… a Nak Muay with good boxing could wear 20 ounce gloves and send a kyokushin practitioner reeling. I don’t even mind taking hard shots to the body at all, and we aim specifically for the solar plexus and liver. I’ve been destroyed by leg kicks before. None of it is as daunting as getting your head smacked up by a very dominant sparring partner.
Nak Muay and kickboxers operate under much more rigorous rulesets and as such, gloves are kinda imperative if you want to be 40+ and still have a brain. And evidently they can still take hits sufficiently well, as even in the amateur circuits, minimally/non padded knees and kicks are part of the game. As Muay Thai is more “fights” than “matches” as competitive kyokushin tends to be, surely you know the difference in technique between the two-Thai kicks are designed for raw force and range whereas kyokushin kicks are generally designed for speed/dexterity. Overlap exists, but any martial art at its best is ultimately just a product of the ruleset it’s practitioners compete/fight with.
Lastly-a matter of philosophy. Let’s take low kicks-kyokushin does have leg-checking on some level, but to my understanding, it’s rarely a preference-you can evade, counter with the targeted leg, sure-Muay Thai has that too. But there is often a preference is to sit your weight into the targeted leg to counter instead of checking-why?? With such an emphasis on conditioning, it makes sense that kyokushin teaches the “take one to give one” mentality. My guy, snap kicks can hurt but a Ernesto Hoost style diagonal low kick can literally shut your leg down in one go. Sitting down onto the leg won’t necessarily protect your peroneal nerve from being struck. You need your legs in tact for lateral movement, so why waste them for a counter when you can instead check and punish their shin, or evade and make them miss?
Conditioning will not protect your head, your liver, your solar plexus, or the critical nerves of your legs. Muay Thai trains us to target these areas-not just to strike them but to SET UP attacks. Our movements are designed for power output because it’s not a pure point sport.
Lastly-y’all divert some of your training time to Kata, no? 100% of our time is spent on time tested. scenario specific drills or Thai style interactive padwork. Fighters run miles every day in prep for their bouts.
I think Kyokushin is dope and a great supplement to kickboxing, Muay Thai and MMA, but I think it’s silly when people compare it to Muay Thai. It’s kinda apples to oranges. Might as well compare karate to MMA.
@@fivefootfive9671not reading all that
@@fivefootfive9671 Kyokushin fighters aren't trained to defend their head? Depends on the club. I've noticed some clubs to do some head sparring, some don't.
But from what I've noticed from Muay Thai is, unless we are talking fairly high level Dutch style fighters, Muay Thai fighters have very low hand skill level, especially traditional Thai style, Muay Thai fighters.
Other than hitting pads, most Muay Thai training puts little emphasis on hands, especially defensively. Kyokushin puts more defensively. And from what I've seen watching and training in Muay Thai, this means many Muay Thai fighters rely heavily on keeping their opponents at a distance with kicks, or if their opponents get close in with the hand combos, they will rely heavily on the tie up and clinch to stop the opponent's punching combo. This is because in Muay Thai, punches score the lowest, therefore not a lot of punches are thrown, hence there's less of an emphasis on boxing at training, and if an opponent does throw them, those two tactics I mentioned are generally employed to try counter it. Generally the only exception to that is Dutch Muay Thai, but to be honest, those fights generally more resemble Western Kickboxing. This is because punches are not scored lower in the Netherlands.
As for Kata, that's a small component - But I agree, I don't do Kata class myself, as I prefer to training in the practical classes, rather than devote time and effort to non-practical things.
If Muay Thai guy allowed to elbow, kneee, clinging than it would be different
even if he can punch properly
MUAY THAI IS SO MUCH BETTER
@@bloodsports94there is a good difference in muay thai there are elbows , knees , and some other stuff that karate doesnt have
ofc it would be it would be in favour of the Kyokushin fighter then if head punches were allowed
Kinomutay would still win common L in my book (that was a joke but kinomutay is a grappling martial art that involves biting nut punches and eye gouging.
Nat's jawline 🥹
always the same story with kyokushin fighters. Invincible tanks until they get the slightest hit to the face and crumple. What is the point on having a style that trains for everything except the most high percentage attack...
always the same story with people in his comments, arguing about martial arts effectiveness
I think karate in general is best used as a long rage ish kinda martial art. That's how you see the best Karate based MMA fighters (Wonderboy, Machida) find success. You can often hear them harking on their counterattack fight style, wide stance etc.
It's funny too, because most kyokushin guys(our gym included) don't fight like that since headshots are disallowed.
@@MuddyAxolotl imagine people discussing martial arts under a martial arts video, what a crazy world we live in!
@@psynyder I mean, out of all the karate styles, kyokushin is the most close-quarter brawler one. People literally refer to them as fighting in a phone booth, I find them very different to shotokan or other point-karate styles which are more blitz and counter-attack oriented.
The biggest value kyokushin has as a martial art imo is that it teaches people to punch without gloves, which is heavily underrated. Hands are really fragile, and many strikers don't realize that without gloves their metacarpals will very likely shatter on impact against a human skull. Still tho, the negative side is that it gives really bad habits of not protecting your face (the most important!)
To be fair you can't really train for head injuries, there is no way to condition your brain for a concussion
This was under karate rules, muay thai guy would murder this karate guy in a few rounds.
no he wouldnt lmao
@@Den.Alright there’s plenty of videos, don’t be butt hurt.
@@Den.AlrightNo elbows, no knees, no punching in the face , this ain't Muay Thai . It's just restricted kickboxing. I would smell the blood on the karate guys face if it allowed all the things mentioned above.
@@MaskedEmperor18 Of course, that's like comparing Boxing with Krav Maga; when anything goes, you will do anything to win. The point of matchups like this is to see how the kicks and punches and endurance etc. these different styles employ perform against each other.
@@MaskedEmperor18 you would be smelling your own if you tried a Kyokushin guy😂
When you practice both: 😎
Pro tip Nat: you can go frame by frame if you pause & then press the < (to go back 1 frame) or > (to go forward 1 frame)
This is the best way to do striking exchange analysis due to the speed. Try it. It was a kick then punch.
These videos of one martial art vs another are usually not fair fights because often one fighter (usually Muay Thai) has been training for the purpose of cage fighting and has lots of experience fighting, while for the other it’s often their first time in a cage. A lot of the time when these other martial arts like taekwondo or karate are trained for cage fighting they can be very effective, examples being wonderboy, yair Rodrigues, liota mochita
Good point, but it’s not about training for fighting in cages imo, as thais fight in normal rings. I think it has to do more with sparring full contact with people with different styles than you. You can adapt karate to most fighting rulesets, but you have to train accordingly. A boxer will get destroyed in kickboxing if he doesn’t train to deal with kicks, a kickboxer will have a real hard time in muay thai if he doesn’t improve his clinch game, and a thai will get annihilated in a boxing match if he doesn’t learn good footwork and combos
@@juanmejiagomez5514 I agree, it has to do with what your used to and what you train for just as much as your skill and the martial arts legitimacy.
It'd be cool to see a boxer and kickboxer have a go
Kickboxing would beat the boxer, just because they have a longer range and bigger arsenal
@acornpoet In theory, but it depends on the practitioners, because a really good boxer will be able to manage his distance/timing, closing the gap when it's most beneficial. I like Kickboxing more personally but boxing has its own entire skillset
@@braydenfontaine1666 it always depends on the practitioner
@@braydenfontaine1666 but at the same time a really good kickboxer would be able to keep them at a distance without letting them close the gap
@acornpoet Very true, but you never know what can happen in a match
That muay thai guy's punch at the end was crazy and he hit him because of his reflexes at least i think so
Yeah i think like you it's reflexes And he even apologized in the end.
Naah he was breaking the rules.Karate guys didn't expect that the MT guy punch.If this MT rules,karate guy would block it.
im 90% sure he got hit with some sort of cross/elbow at 3:54 looks like a really clean hit to the chin/cheek
they arent alowed to hit the face its a muay thai guy vs a kyokushin guy in kyokushin rules but the muay thai guy is so used to hitting in the face and the kyokushin guy is not used to it but cant blame him for being used to his own rules
Muay Thai Keyboard Warriors: Karate vs Muay Thai???? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT-
I find it funny all kinds of people in the comments are talking crap about karate while knowing basically nothing about it while practically worshipping muay tai
also im not a karate fanboy i take boxing however i just think its dumb to underestimate things you dont understand so that being said it cant be known all over the world for no reason however different styles of karate I guess I just depends on which one
Fr fr I don’t understand the hate behind karate
Hate is obvious, karate is trash😂
@@RyanSmith-qh7sr and you do what martial art, considering your crapping on an art that has been around longer than you have been alive you must be the peak fighter you must be a world champion in the MMA you have probably mastered kick boxing and multiple martial arts to be able to judge one as trash so your either all of what I just said or some morbidly obese couch potato munching on chips behind a screen talking shit
@@RyanSmith-qh7srbro, I bet you can’t even last 1 minute jn the octagon.😂😂😂
@@RyanSmith-qh7sr what martial art experience do you have ?
Why don't they wear gloves? Wearing gloves is just a win-win for both. Now one has to go around with a scar on the face.
The Muay Thai guy was invited by the Kyokushin club under Kyokushin rules. In Kyokushin, competitors are not allowed to wear gloves but punches to the face are illegal.
@@morgueblack well that explains why the muay thai guy looks so awkward. No need for him to do the usual muay thai guard and he can only give body punches, which no one in muay thai does
@@faizfrez2729 I think if the Muay Thai guy had decent body punches and a teep, that could have won him the fight. Here he lost by disqualification because of punching to the face.
I would say muay thai has still the upper hand because that fighter was pretty restricted,I mean,he couldn't strike the face,use elbows knees or clinch. Obviously the kyokushin guy Is a beast and very conditioned to the legs and I wouldn't like to fight him but since muay thai doesn't prohibite strikes to the face then I would say for most cases muay thai could win but that all depends on the practioner
How can you consider the karate guy to be winning? By any measure, if you land more hits you are winning. The MT guy was landing clean shots from the beginning.
It appeared that the fight was being decided by knockdown rules. In Kyokushin knockdown rules, points aren't decided by who lands the most hits, but rather by who gets knocked out or thrown to the ground first and who retreats the least.
The Kyokushin practicioner was eating all the hits and moving forward without a single retreat, so at that point he was winning.
Also you lose points when you get out of the place
"By any measure" not if you're measuring damage, which is what they measure..
@@afroduck6991 Wrong. They measure aggression, hits landed, where they land, lots of stuff. If one person is making leg kick after leg kick and the other one does nothing they're winning. How do you measure damage anyway? Silly comment.
@@Motownisyourtown no they don't you're not familiar with how kyokushin knockdown is judged, stop pretending to be.
that's kyokushin though not the usual plain karate that karate guys try to defend. kyokushin is the full contact, hard training, more versatile version of karate. still not as conditioned as muay thai because of lack of face punches and grappling but still, pretty good.
kyokushin was created after karatekas and then kickboxers started getting their arse handed to them by thai fighters. then the creator of kyokushin made karate more hardcore with inspiration from muay thai. then to promote it, they started inviting small thais to fight big japanese kyokushin guys in japan to show how his new style is apparently superior. then the creator of kyokushin had the audacity to go to thailand and build a kyokushin gym in the middle of bangkok after bashing muay thai. it clearly did not go well.
what the fuck are you spewing out here Oyama had nothing to do with that he respected Muay Thai and did implement it in Kyokushin as Kyokushin has Muay Thai kicks, it was the sore loser Kenji Kurosaki who was mad cause he was the only one who lost then later on called Oyama fraud cause his karate didn't work then created a kickboxing gym that had rules that went totally in favour of Karate and then later spread false rumors about Oyama to Jon Bluming who also didn't have a great relationship with Oyama cause Oyama refused to give the Honbu to him get your facts straight you know literally nothing
now this is a really cool match up, i had no idea that karate could be this durable lmao. i expected the muay thai guy to just absolutely bomb him. you learn something new everyday ig, disregarding that little jab to the head the kyokushin guy nearly died from of course. also i slowed the video down so i could see where the karate dude was dropped and it indeed was the head kick that hurt the muay thai guys shin and the punch that floored the karate dude, but theres no way that the muay thai guy wouldn't beat the karate kid nat hearn
Kyokushin Karatekas are trained to fight bare handed. So they are naturally durable. It's different than other karate styles. Kyokushin is a full contact style but still fight bare handed, so Kyokushin Karate fighters are usually more conditioned to absorb body hits than anyone else . Muay Thai's main advantage against Kyokushin is that they are used to hit in the face and so has better face defence instinct and techniques. And Kyokushin's main advantage against Muay Thai is that they are trained to spar and fight full contact in bare hand which condition their body like no other martial arts do.
@@aritramitra4401 thats cool, thanks.
So karateka's weakness is their face. Punch or kick them on their face and they're out 😅
Majority of the styles has no punch in the face but there are some sub systems of Karate that trains under well rounded rules
not all karateka are weak to the head, in styles like goju ryu, uechi ryu, shidokan and wado ryu head punches are allowed, and so are full contact styles
This is PHILIPPINES KYOKUSHIN!!
The fight is held under kyokushin rules ie bare knuckles and keyboard warriors need to understand that punching with bare knucles on face which cannot be conditioned can deal searious damage cuz it acts as point force and where as kicks and punches with gloves acts as shear force plus hitting hand combos is much easier than landing kicks on the face!!
Correct!
i mean yeah even a weak guy can knock you when it hit right. But both martial art trained their body to become steel and they are both for damage. Getting hit in the face is like get hit in the balls.
If this is in karate rules your allowed to kick in the face.
No. Bare knuckle is actually safer in the long run, as fighters can’t punch with 100% power, and there is less mass behind the punch, so harder to knockout someone and damage their brain. The knuckle is the smaller bone than almost all bones in the face. It will break much easier and sooner than any face bone. Also the face can be conditioned just like any other bone in the body.
@@zoroverse8358 💀💀, I reckon you've never been to Bare Knuckle fighting before.
bros jawline looks like tomhas the tank engine
"Little hit in the face"? They are not wearing any gloves of course they are going to hurt.
Yes
I would argue that getting hurt by bare knuckle is better than with gloves since gloves shake your brain way more than bare knuckle does
@@omarsali2990but the physical pain from a bareknuckle is way worse
@@josechemastill1235 yep
It stings and burns because of the cuts but at least you brain is in place
"The strongest karate"... Just don't hit them in the face because that hurts.
If the muay thai dude got punched in the face with the same force, bare knuckles, he wouldn’t have fared better
@@realWWdude546 I mean that's obviously not the point though, in Muay Thai you get punched and elbowed in the face?
"The strongest karate"... but you're not allowed to elbow, knee, clinch or sweep. Also, you're not meant to punch each other in the face. Not good of the nak muay to go for the head, but under kyokushin rules he wasn't doing too badly, and martial arts that don't encourage you to protect your head are stupid
@@realWWdude546 muay thai fighters regularly get elbowed in the face, which is a lot worse than a punch in the face
@@SerFifermate are u dumb, if the kyokushin guy would hit with his bareknuckles, the muay thai guy would sleep. Hand and body of kyokushin guys are like rock. In muay thai you learn how to throw a punch with boxing gloves, which in streets cant work. Ellbows exist also in kyokushin and andy other karate style
Their conditionning is just beyond LETHAL to the average ego 🗿
I started with Kyokushin Karate before moving to Muay Thai for two years. MT doesn't have many flashy kicks which are common in Karate but its lot more practical in modern combat sports. Kyokushin fighters are a bit handicapped in the sense that they dont train how to throw punches to the head so they also lack defensive maneuver against head punches.. And when you elbows and clinch to their arsenal then Muay Thai is much more complete and deadly.
Ah yes, another "Muay thai vs" that restricted 90% of the move that favored the opponent and still won regardless.
u dont get it, in kyokushin we also have knees and elbows, we even have take downs so if ur trynna tell me muay thai was suppressed id say kyokushin was suppressed more
@@kelvinx2206 that might be true but it still not as disgusting as the infamous "world champ kick boxer vs some Muay thai dude" they want to show how "kick boxing" are better and made a (bias)show match expected to win and literally only let a Muay Thai guy use only low kick and jabs while the world champ can do anything with no restriction. but guess what? the muay thai guy just use one thing he can use and obliterate the "champion" and won but the champ get salty and said it unfair while all other new and media try to downplay muay thai achievement as "a simple spar". but not long after the kickboxer champ actually go to Thailand to learn muay thai lol
Head strikes being restricted is much bigger disadvantage to muay thai though @@kelvinx2206
@@kelvinx2206😂I laughed so hard,
In Kyokushin, the use of elbows and knees in combat is generally ineffective, and Kyokushin does not incorporate techniques like clinching, locking, and knee strikes commonly seen in Muay Thai. Additionally, Kyokushin does not employ the same type of inside and outside ring fighting techniques as Muay Thai does.(It's like Buakaw repeatedly kneeing a Japanese fighter in a K-1 match until the Japanese fighter was counted out, causing many international Japanese fans to lose their enthusiasm.)You are biased.
@@NarutoUzomaki65 literally the opposite Muay Thai fighter would get his head split open by a Kyokushin guy and no you can't condition your face its stupid, unlike in Muay Thai in Kyokushin they condition their knuckles to be able to break through rocks, boards and bones and i assure you that Muay Thai does nothing like it they rely on the gloves
I want a whole series of this
yeah they are definetly leaning to karate's ruled, you can see the muai thai dude not hitting him with the knees and elbows
or im just a keyboard warrior idk
You are allowed to use knees and elbows just not to the head
@@leithalplays 🤓🤓🤓
also wrong in the context of this video, did you see the muai thai dude hit him with an elbow in any body part?
@@combdude You stated you can see the Muai thai dude not using elbows and knees because of karate rules, I said that that was wrong. That is the context
@@leithalplays ok give me a time stamp where the muai thai dude uses elbows, knees or grapling without getting disencouraged
actually if the muay thai dude could've used head punches and elbows then also could Kyokushin dude and trust me they hit way harder with more dense hands, people say that Kyokushin don't do head punches which i think is stupid cause they practise it but don't apply it in sparring but that is where Kudo comes in cause that is the true version of Kyokushin that Oyama wanted Kyokushin to be
Andy Hug might be the most outstanding kyokushun fighter ever he beat alot of Muay thai fighters in K1 and had the most beautiful axe kicks ever
with muay thai rules?
@@kenkr4059 knees allowed, no elbows, sweeps allowed, no takedowns.
@@fruitylerlups530 Yep This is him hahahah ruclips.net/video/rRHrCaqovpM/видео.html&ab_channel=mhobdivad
Karate whole body conditioning is so underrated.
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Don't apologize for your own style! Personally I like the way you pause & commentate, makes it a lot easier to keep up with the action and your comments
It would be really cool to see a pro level Karate/Kudo vs Muay Thai/Lethwei style tournament with an unbiased ruleset that actually allows both fighters to use their full kit, honestly I've never paid to watch a fight in my life not even a ppv but I would pay hand over fist for tickets to watch that tournament live
Petchdam v Momotaro is probably the best fight I've seen to actually show a good display of Muay Thai v Karate
Capitan Petchyindee vs. Hiroki Akimoto is also a decent fight to check out, but no clinch or elbows
No hitting in the face ? Huh
the problem is when the rule is not punching to the face you don't expect the punch and you will get punched if the opponent doesn't respect the rule. it's like a kick in the nuts in MMA or even Muay Thai. you should play by the rule or not fight at all otherwise it is a street fight, not a sport fighting or martial arts
u will never expect a punch to the face if u don't train with punches to the face, the karate guy gets packed by the first regular joe that connects to his jaw let alone a trained person who trains punching on the head
its not a fight if you cant punch in the face its a game not a fight
Muay Thai guy would've had his head split open if they were to do bareknuckled with face punches allowed cause unlike Muay Thai in Kyokushin they condition their knuckles and practise so that they could break bones, rocks and boards and they do train head punches just don't apply it in sparring
In my opinion Muay Thai rule is the most fairness for every stand up fighting styles because you can punching , clinching , throwing , elbow , knee , kicking and sweeping.
Best RUclipsr bro.
Thank you bro👊👊
Kyokushin Guy's Achilles' heel is his face. Seriously I want to see his conditioning to be able to eat powerful low kicks like it's nothing.
karate i saw the Philippines flag the in his right arms i saw karate uniforms there is a flag Philippines you can see 4:39
Tip: if you press anywhere on the video a gear appears on the top right and you can adjust the speed
It's good if you need to slow down the video to analyse it better
Remember, we’re all humans and fighting could lead to injuries even if one had won.
Remember, people who didnt eat spicy one day they will eat it. better to know how to fight than nothing ngl
Damn that hits@@DartTheDeagon
Remember, that if we do any kind of exercise it will make us hurt, so instead you should just lie around in bed all day and scroll on tiktok 👍
I think the Muay Thai guy scratched the karate guys eye
Bare knuckle face puch brow
@@crisalcantara7671 it was a eye poke
@@minecraftkingest4116 🤣🤣🤣yoink
4:00 maybe it was a eye poke that stopped the fight
maybe but i think it was just a punch, the karate guy had the same reaction when he got punched the second time, the good old i've never been punched in the face again reaction
No they are not allow to punch to the face.
I dont wanna be that guy, but, we all knew who was going to win. I know people will say "it depends on the person, not the art", but deep down we all know that if 2 strikers of the same caliber and 1 is muay thai, the thai would win (the only striking art that comes close is the glory/k1 kickboxing and most of their kickboxers train muay thai and just follow kickboxing rules).
i would argue quite heavily actually. My sensei had a sparring session like full contact one with a professional muay thai artist, and he literally took him down in like 6 to 7 kicks and let me tell you when he sent me to spar with this guy although he limited himself so as to not hurt me, those hurt as i was not properly conditioned. Don't take me wrong, yeah in most conditions, yeah muay thai does take it, but when it comes to the actual form of karate like kyokushin and stuff, the guy in this case with more mastery of the art takes the win. The above event with my sensei happened before pandemic like in 2018, and the muay thai was invited by our school principal, not only him but many people of different fighting styles were invited and the muay thai practitioner just asked my sensei for a sparring session. Please don't start roasting me, or abusing me. These are my views which i wanted to share.
im a kickboxer who doesnt train muay thai and ive never been beaten by a muay thai fighter or any other fighter in my life- it really does just matter how much you train
@@thomassanchez8537 yeah that's my point, Muay Thai is deadly not gonna lie, fully unleashed you become a demon, but truly depends on how much you train, a fully seasoned kyokushin practitioner can take Muay Thai kicks with ease but not a semi seasoned one
Idk about that, depends on a couple of factors. Muay thai is more stationary whereas karate has more footwork (although Idk how much compared for example to boxing) which is a big weakness of thai fighters. I think a smaller ring favors the thai fighter due to the focus on clinch, knees and elbows, whereas a ring with more space would help the karate guy because he would have more room to blitz in, hit, blitz out and keep the opponent at bay. The thing is that karate trained in a traditional way isn’t as effective, you need to spar a lot with people with different styles to make it adaptable to non-karate fighters (Stephen Wonderboy Thompson is someone that managed to make karate work in kickboxing and mma)
@@juanmejiagomez5514 true bro, if you say traditional karate we go back to okinawan karate which was meant for people to use to kill, but the one which I think you are referring to is the modern short less deadlier version of karate
In the fight, the Karate guy gets hit in the eye until the last punch
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Kyokoshin just has that achilles heel (or head) if kyokoshin could also train with head punches/elbows gawd damn
"Kyokushin guy is winning" as soon as he gets punched in the face he goes down like a baby, makes sense
you didnt see it it couldve been an illegal punch like to his eyes or smt else forbidden, bros just assuming things cus his muai thai ego was hurt
He got accidently eye gouged in the eye (which is illegal also in Muay Thai). Believe me, as someone that's experienced it during sparring more than once, there is no technique, including an accidental groin shot or anything else, that'd hurt and stop you as much as a good shot in the eye. You can't see out of it, it hurts, and your eyes are balling water for a little while.
@@markfiles5200 if you dont allow punches in the face its not a fight its like putting a muay thai guy in a game of tennis and say tennis can beat muay thai in a fight
@@AlexHellene if they were doing a real fight like muay thai rules maybe if you had gloves you wouldnt get eye gouged plus the kyokushin guy was way bigger and doing his rules so it was rigged from the start
@@maxrez609 the kyokushin guy or sensei dai dai and lemme tell ya kyokushin gi makes people look bigger and he was shorter than him, ive seen sensei dai dai in person, hes actually pretty small, also not only muay thai was suppressed here, there are takedowns in kyokushin, elbows and knees so if ur trynna tell me the fight got rigged by making muay thai guy not punch face, then maybe take into consideration how the battle wouldve been if kyokushin could use takedowns
Kyokushin is legit asf. They need to learn to deal with head punches though
Yes I agree👍
It’s so weird how they can take leg kicks that can chop tree but drop from just a punch lol
@@mailais3403 i mean if hit right even when your weak you can knock out someone twice ur size so..
@@mailais3403when you agree to a fight under certain rules you have to follow those rules if you don't you get DQd
@@dmfaccount1272 I agree that the mt fighter is definitely wrong in this fight but in other fight where head striking is allowed the kk fighter still seem to not be able to take face hit as well as their opponents
If you care, i think using more than one point lighting would help your video quality/look more professional-- or use a less harsh/bright light
That happened in the Philippines 🇵🇭
where?
I think you should react to different styles of karate and different competitions (WKF, karate combat etc)
Yes that’s a good idea actually👍👍
There were no elbows no knees
Yeah fr, one of the main differences between muay thai and kickboxing
Knees were allowed he just wasn't allowed elbows which muay thai fighters don't use in training anyway
Has anyone else noticed the fact they're bare knuckle!? Obviously the kickboxer has to hold back!
what kickboxer?
@@nifLeftyThe Muay Thai kickboxer!?!? ☔
Kyokushin dude has to hold back as they are used to bareknuckle in Muay Thai they use boxing gloves
pretty sure the kyokushin guy got poked in the eye or summat
i think the kyokushin guy is better conditioned but he's just not used to getting hit in the face
Thats due to the fact that you're not allowed punches to the face, but maybe also because of the fact that the Muay Thai guy hit him with an accidental eye gouge which if you accidently poked your eye before you understand how horrible a punch would be instead
I kinda want to do karate and muay thai
Then you can beat up anyone who trash talks either
Karate and Muay Thai are a very good combination. Start with Karate and then shift to Muay Thai. You'll be grateful you did!
@@EasypediaTech thanks ill try it
@@zerocents4658😂 dont try that lil bro
then just do Kyokushin or Kudo which is also Kyokushin but with just head punches as Kyokushin is basically karate and muay thai combined
daum the koykushin guy is from the philippines lesgo
If you watch it the Muay Thai guy can’t clinch or throw elbows
i think it's part of the rules
@@akirakon9380 no shit Sherlock , if you were smart enough or had the mental capacity you would understand like the other 20 people who liked my comment
@@jroche3354chill out my man, don't be so angry or rigorous actions will be needed, and when i see red its over
Jroche has anger issues😂
If you watch it, the Kyokushin guy cant sweep, double leg take down or used any time of grappling either whats your point, kyokushin has elbows and knees too, again, what's your point, they're both restricted to keep eachother safe because it's a spar, not a fight.@@jroche3354
«It is no superior martial art there is only superior martial artists"
you could say that a muay thai guy would eat up a karate guy with knees and elbows but you could argue for the kyokshin guy because they are very conditioned because the 100 men kumite so its down to the level of the practitioner, my father (TKD practitioner for 40+ yrs) once said that all martial arts work and that you just have to be good enough and as a joke he said that a high level bulshido artist could take any beginner;)
5:50 i slowed it to 0.25 speed and saw that the kick only moved the gard and he threw a fast and strong left hand that knocked the karate guy down. The kick looked like it hit the elbow too.
bro it was fast so it may have hurt but his fists were not even tight so it was an accident