Meanwhile two very experienced USA pilots disconeced their transponder and did not follow the rules while flying over Brazil and hit and Boing 737 killing all 154 passengers….😢
@@damiandiesel1 pois é ! não tem nada a ver! ai foi só um pequeno mal entendido com o ATC.. já os americanos não faziam a menor idéia de como pilotar um avião da embraer (avião brasileiro) .. não sabiam algo básico como: onde ficava o transponder.. (que é o mesmo que um motorista não saber onde liga o farol do carro)
@@thiagogarde again, what is the point you are making? this Brazillian pilot should be excused for his incompetence because US pilots also fucked up? Why are you guys so insecure?
I would just get the number from every atc controller preemptively.. "I have just entered your airspace and am a terrible pilot,I have a pen,do you have a phone number handy."?
Reminds me of the old joke: Captain: Mayday, this is the UK Freighter Lancelot, we've lost power and are taking on water. We are sinking! German coastguard with heavy accent: Hallo! Vat are you sinking about?
I have to say that the controllers were actually very professional. They understood the problem and dealt with it the best they could. No shouting no screaming no more pressure. Excellent job Boston controllers.
It doesn't seem like English comprehension was the issue, he sounds like he's awake for 48 hours straight. And it looks like he fell asleep mid first approach and came back with a totally reenergized tone after waking up, at least momentarily.
English comprehension for the first dude was hovering somewhere around 50% of what it should be. When I hear “turn right five degrees”, I chuckled because I knew there was no way that was getting read back correctly or followed immediately.
@@ra2186they don’t know what your heading actually is due to winds aloft - all they see is your track over the ground. For small adjustments like that, it’s often easier for them to get the result they want by telling you 5 or 10 degrees left or right. Often a pilot will follow that up with a readback that clears up any ambiguity, eg. “5 degrees right, new heading 040, fox bravo lima”
Blame it on brazils educational system that claims everyones is proficient in portuguese - and on private schools - english too. Freaking stablishment my dude
@@zachthomas7810 Agreed, but yet everyone had their start someday, maybe that's his first time on international flight, I mean, you can have 20 years of experience in your own country but international aviation is a whole new world
I think the pilot was a bit overwhelmed with the english communications. He is not so bad at listening (he repeated many times the correct FL), but he definitely was bad at following the instructions. Good thing that the ATC was very assertive, and dealt with this traffic properly.
Felt so sorry for this guy but he does need to practice his English. However as a non-native speaker from Europe I must say that I find it way easier to understand the English of European ATC than US ATC. They could vocalize much better than they do.
I don’t understand how ATC deals with so many pilots that basically mumble under their breath. I’ve listened to more ATC communications and it seems to be the norm, not the exception with mumbling.
It doesn’t matter what the pilot says for the. OST part. It matters what he hears. This guy was doing neither. 😂. Atc could have simplified things, slow down their speech, and cut out extra language not needed, just to get this guy on the ground and outta their hair. Then endeavor shows up and spouts off a bunch of non standard phrases. The overloaded atc system in the us and many other places has become a shit show.
@@retiredatc8720 , @markkg7963 Before I retired, I used to sit in my high rise office in downtown Houston and listen to “Live ATC” from IAH after the Colgan Air crash. While not all pilots mumble, I sure heard way more than my fair share of COMMS that I often could not understand. I guess it’s one of those things that after you have listened to hours and hours of it, it becomes intelligible in what is being said. You simply learn the “dialect”. Thank you both for your responses to my initial comment.
The problem here was that he wasn't completely insecure with his English. This is a big problem here in the US, many people have no idea, sometimes you politely and calmly ask them to stop speaking faster but the idiots continue speaking the same way or sometimes even increase the speed.
@@SamiJuntunen1 He said the _relative_ direction. Furthermore, the airport is 11 o'clock relative to the airplane's nose, not the other way around as you wrote,
When the controller says "possible pilot deviation I have a phone number to copy when you are ready" he can just reply "we are not ready, wait until we landed" right? It is a distraction especially for this pilot.
When the approach control and the tower are two different facilities, it is not unusual for approach to give the phone number. As a controller, you don't want to pass off additional workload to someone else if it can be helped. The replay was edited for time and the map was off, there may have been ample time at that point.
The Approach is in a different facility than the tower. All the controller did was comply with directives to inform of a possible PD, and issue a phone number. I worked at this facility, this pilot should not have been flying in the US. He blew thru 10000 feet and a speed assignment. The controller did a great job, was VERY patient and professional.
The first pilot sounded impaired to me and it seems like someone else took control thank god. This doesn't give me a lot of faith in the awkward pilot who obviously was having some kind of difficulty understanding directions.
PSBFL is based in Brazil. One cannot let landing gear malfunctions keep you from flying the plane. Deviating more than 100' can get you written up and it sounds like this guy blew that by a country mile. I remember in flight training on a Mooney that my instructors would throw as many distractions as they could - but they were making sure that I maintained control and awareness despite systems analysis to correct "mechanical problems." When you fly turbines, this should be rote.
If the pilot was dealing with landing gear problems, WE ALL KNOW that the crew's priority is to manage the critical situation of the aircraft, not to answer the radio !!! Or is it that only I know that ???
@@leonardodemilio6703 when speaking english is a requirement to fly airplanes and you’re flying in an english speaking country while not being fluent in that language then you’re a hazard to everyone’s safety
@@leonardodemilio6703they are not. But we need international language for aviation. And it is English. And I would like to say that most of US pilots need to learn ICAO standards for communication. What I hear from most of pilots and some of ATC - this is not an ICAO standards.
PS FBL is from Brazil. This is an Embraer 505 Phenom. Seems like the pilots cannot communicate effectively. One would expect a higher level of proficiency to fly this airplane.
@@joycelima3051 Nope. They are not Brazilian. I can recognize Brazilians speaking English from 500 meters away. The Brazilians from Rio are the easiest to recognize speaking English due to their highly phonetic pronunciation. There is no way those 2 jet pilots are Brazilian.
As a member of the Brazilian community we would like to apologies for this one. He was instructed not to go to Boston. His English is still very broken.
Actually i heard a different voice at 8:05 and it sounded like the first guy was incapacitated - stroke? going radio silent starting at 7:31 I like that they offered ATC a landing gear issue to avoid all the paperwork though.
@@otiravla what a stupid comment. As we couldn't find hundreds of videos and audios of north american pilots making mistakes. Shame i can't unsee this....
What happens in the case that ATC and the pilots simply can not communicate? Can ATC reach out to someone who speaks Portuguese? I acknowledge that that simply should not be necessary, but this came close.
That should not happen before flying internationally a pilot must pass an english assesment that rates their comunication skills from 1 to 6 being 4 the minimum required to fly internationally. these pilots likely have the level 4. if you have pilots willing to break the rules and fly without that then you are in much bigger problems dealing with someone that even understanding the regulation is not willing to follow it
@@aeroba-tico Whoever gave this idiot his English Language Proficiency rating needs to have his head checked. I've flown internationally for nearly 30 years. I've heard a lot of bad English on the radio. This guy is horrific.
Some newbies english speakers are good while they can control the dialogue, if the other party deviates, they will try to translate on the go, and evidently he lost his nerve, the other guy with better understanding took over and made a few minor mistakes while maintaining the approach withing reasonable parameters! A little ego bruising for the first guy but all safe in the ground! I like to point out the recent accident with that girl in Houston, she was native but the lingo got her confused and she stoped aviating!
The Controller needs to realize that he is completely overloading this guy by giving a phone number, delegate that to Ground after landing, complete waste of time! That Pilot can’t even follow basic english instructions, sad state of affairs these days… His own callsign was a struggle for this guy!
@@gazzas123 Absolutely, but doesn't mean he wasn't being overloaded at the moment. Phone numbers should be marked and saved for ground unless there is nothing going on in the cockpit. Bro can't speak english and is trying to go missed on top of understanding numbers to write down.
Tracon and ground control are inn2 seperate locations. The tracon controllers may not even be at airport. Not sure about Boston but NY tracon is a building in Garden City.Miles from JFK and Laguardia
@@jbsack , that makes no difference and is obviously the case! They are calling each other all the time to hand off traffic and other issues. The fact is, the Controller should have realized that he isn’t getting through to this character but instead he kept tying up the frequency with unnecessary banter that just made things more chaotic. Common sense goes a long way but sadly it’s truly a dying art.
@@gazzas123 True, still not the right moment to get in to that discusison or adding any more stress or distractions to an already overloaded pilot. It´s like going in to VFR in to IMC and expect the controller to give you a number and get you thinking about paper work while you are trying to get off that situation. Pilot should work on their enlish before flying again in the US and eben maybe anywhere outside of brazil. Having said that i did noticed the controller attempeted to make things easier like when confirming that ATIS he made it a yes/no question and then gave the pilot the weather when it changed to Golf
The first pilot should go back to basic English lessons. He'd be hard pressed to buy food at the local supermarket. - "That will be $28.95, sir." - "Monday."
What was the actual outcome of this situation? Hire some Cape Air pilots and send those 2 back to flight school. Language barrier would mean to just ask for help. Ayuda Me!!!
Title is a little overblown. Pilots experienced difficulty and chose proper priority, aviate. Sounds like they switched PIC, fixed problem, and then continued on as normal.
Being a Brazilian who is fluent in English, it comes across that the first pilot either didn't speak the language fluently or couldn't hear the directions form ATC correctly. Just disappointing!!!
Dude give the guys a break! I’m a pilot I’ve been flying in United States for 8 years and not all have been pieces of cake, you’re flying in a country that has a way more crowded space than Brazil with flight controllers that’s doesn’t care if you’re local or not, I never had a violation but definitely have done my mistakes, so I’ll tell you, it takes time to be fluent/proficient on flying here!
@@douglasdeoliveira658 I’ve flown all over the world and this was some weak sauce! If your English skills are this poor, stay home, or rather don’t fly, as aviation is entirely english. I’ll be the first to admit that certain US controllers can behave poorly, but that wasn’t the case here. Just imagine this crew in a part of the world that doesn’t hand hold like the US can and with another non native English speaker. English proficiency card revoked!
yea if y'all really looking for the cause of it, you'd focus on other adjectives about the pilot, i think his incompetence is more important to be cited than the place he was born in.
@@flying9249 hello. It's not because I'm Brazilian and married to a Portuguese man, having lived in both countries...but I can say: Portuguese Tap and Brazilian companies are great. Someone commented that the pilot of this flight would not even be Brazilian and it is possible. The level of English varies in Brazil, but I assume - and from what I've experienced - that the Pilots have language tests for approval... Mistakes or mistakes happen. ex: because of an American Legacy plane, a Gol1907 commercial flight crashed in the Amazon rainforest. EVERYONE died violently....but...the Legacy pilots are free. They were never held accountable. Did you know that?
As a Brazilian working with people from the US, I can understand the struggle of not knowing exactly what the natives are saying. But at least I wasn't flying a plane 😆.
This man sounds fatigued! also, when a pilot deviation occurs why not let them get on the ground first before giving the warning and the number? all it does in flight is increase stress and lead to more mistakes.
Terrible. English is the international standard language for civil aviation. If you can't speak and understand it, you have no business flying an aircraft--anywhere in the world, let alone in the US. A "landing gear issue." I hate it when that happens! Good one.
Have you ever tried to listen to another language thru an airplane radio? even American pilots have to go to "say again" to these ATC types. You can have English Level 10 but NE corridor are full of a-holes, trying to ruin your day.
Most aviation is done in the local language for the local airlines. English is not a widely spoke language in Brazil, I'm sure their ATC is using Portuguese for the locals. And to be fair the big-city ATC english is like listening to an auctioneer.
This is why the FAA needs to do cursory inspections on all private and charter aircraft, both prior to and immediately after arriving. In Europe, we're faced with what is known as a SAFA Inspection. The inspector literally goes through everything to make sure we're 100% legal.
Does this happen every time in Europe? Or randomly by chance? Because the FAA has inspectors that can perform a "ramp check". Can be caused by seeing risky or dangerous activity during the flight, or even just a random thing. And if it's a commercial flight, they're allowed to enter the plane and check most anything.
The FAA field inspection will do very little to prevent this and similar incidents around the country. We sign reciprocal treaties with countries for licensing both maritime and aviation standards. They only work if everyone follows the same rules and standards.
Crash investigations (especially for some non-US airlines) sometimes find that the pilots are not correctly trained and qualified. Investigators have found log book entries that are forged or missing. In this case, the plane is not an airliner. It could be that its owner is very rich, very busy, and bought the plane without putting in all the time and effort to learn everything that he needs to know.
I know little of this subject except as a flying passenger but I would assume Boston Logan is a less congested airport compared to JFK, Chicago, LA or SFO and Heathrow or say Charles DeGaulle , in France. Can you imagine ATC trying to get this guy on the ground at one of those congested airports?
Given the sheer size of Brazil and their robust aviation industry, Brazilian pilots feel compelled to speak Portuguese in their domestic operations. This habit leaves them very weak in aviation English. In this regard, Brazilian pilots are not very different from their French or Spanish counterparts, who also favor their native language when speaking to their domestic ATCs (...leaving everyone else out of situational awareness in the area, because of it, by the way...). There are, however, two very crucial points, regarding the use of native language by all these pilots. (1) Spaniards and French still speak effective aeronautical English, because they constantly have to fly to other European or intercontinental destinations. (2) French and Spaniards always justify themselves for using their national languages because those are official ICAO languages, whereas Brazilians can not use that argument.
Actually, the approved languages to be used in R/T according to ICAO annex 10 is english, or any official language of the state you are flying in, official UN languages or not. So, in Brazil they are in accordance with annex 10 when speaking portuguese. I agree, however, that it is not conductive to good overall situational awareness.
I’m not reassured by the notion that a pilot who already seems overwhelmed has to drop everything to copy a phone number. Maybe that process can be modernized soon?
ATC in the US shows always zero emphaty and zero “no blame culture” (saying “possible pilot deviation” on frequency?!) Speaking slower, using and limiting only to standard ICAO phraseology (which clearly they don’t use or either know) without overwhelming the poor pilot it would have provided a different outcome. Thinking that not everyone is American helps.
Can someone please explain what the pilot deviation was at 2:50? Was it because ATC wanted him to fly 040 but he was only at 035? Or was it because earlier he didn't maintain the correct altitude?
1: descended too early to meet the STAR's altitude restrictons 2: told several times to maintain 10,000ft 3: told to climb back to 10,000ft after they failed to maintain 10,000ft 3: got to 7000ft or so before climbing again (a deviation in IFR is 100ft, 3000ft is... huge) 4: during the climb back to 10,000ft slowed down to 220 knots instead of maintaining 250 knots as per the STAR's restrictions 5: ATC gave up and told them they're getting vectors now since they obviously can't follow the STAR. Was asked to turn 5 degrees left 6: didn't know what "turn left" meant, and randomly turned right, when asked what they were doing, said they were turning to heading 035. Many times, were asked what their altitude was (where they are right now) and either ignored the question, or re-iterated that the man that was asking the question had asked them to maintain 10,000ft. "How high are you?" "You said to climb to 10,000" (after a few times, the ATC told them they'd busted 7000ft and were still descending)
Sort of. He kept insisting on giving a phone number for pilot deviation, while a clearly overloaded pilot was trying to set up for landing. That ATC did good, yes, mostly, but he also had zero tolerance for the pilots difficulty with English and did not try to make it more clear and understandable, and adding more workload just to get his own paperwork done, when it could easily wait until after landing, is really beyond belief. Like, does he really think, his paperwork is more important than getting that plane safely on the ground?? The pilot definitely did not speak English well enough to fly internationally. But the ATC was more concerned with b*tching at an already stressed pilot and getting his paperwork done, than he was doing the primary job, which is helping the plane safely to the ground. This became more dangerous than needed due to the ATCs reaction. Imho.
Meanwhile two very experienced USA pilots disconeced their transponder and did not follow the rules while flying over Brazil and hit and Boing 737 killing all 154 passengers….😢
In fact, they never turned it on before they hit and tore the Boeing's wing out.
What does that have to do with this?
@@damiandiesel1 nothing, he's probably Brasilian that got offended.
@@damiandiesel1 pois é ! não tem nada a ver! ai foi só um pequeno mal entendido com o ATC.. já os americanos não faziam a menor idéia de como pilotar um avião da embraer (avião brasileiro) .. não sabiam algo básico como: onde ficava o transponder.. (que é o mesmo que um motorista não saber onde liga o farol do carro)
@@thiagogarde again, what is the point you are making? this Brazillian pilot should be excused for his incompetence because US pilots also fucked up? Why are you guys so insecure?
He caused so much CHAOS! no one noticed CAP13 ditching in the atlantic at 10:38 🥴
lol, CAP13 was noping out of going to Boston after seeing that apparently
rest in peace CAP
😮 for real?
Lolololol
RIP I guess.
I would just get the number from every atc controller preemptively..
"I have just entered your airspace and am a terrible pilot,I have a pen,do you have a phone number handy."?
ATC: Say speed!
Pliot: SPEED! S-P-E-E-D!
S-P-E-E-D 😆😆
🤣
Reminds me of the old joke:
Captain: Mayday, this is the UK Freighter Lancelot, we've lost power and are taking on water. We are sinking!
German coastguard with heavy accent: Hallo! Vat are you sinking about?
Don’t call me surely… 😂
Yeah, I was half-expecting that reply myself 😅
Thank God I am piloting my car without the need of ATC comms. I can turn any headings I want while maintaining an altitude of 0 feet above the ground
I hate to tell you that if you're at zero feet then you're probably getting wet 🤣
I have to say that the controllers were actually very professional. They understood the problem and dealt with it the best they could. No shouting no screaming no more pressure. Excellent job Boston controllers.
What do you think "the problem" was.
Because I think the pilot was drunk.
It doesn't seem like English comprehension was the issue, he sounds like he's awake for 48 hours straight. And it looks like he fell asleep mid first approach and came back with a totally reenergized tone after waking up, at least momentarily.
Probably another pilot but yeah, the first one sounded impaired although he understood English.
South american standard.
This sounds like a typical VATSIM session to be honest 😂
Exactly. I was having PTSD and relating to the voice and tone with the controllers lol.
It does! 😂
@@ireumiobseum Wake-up call… Reality (done by professionals (or one should expect)) vs. Simulation (done by amateurs) = NOT the same🤦♀️
Air Force ground pound 69 here
😂😂
"so long..." - "See ya" what a beautiful ending of this Story lol
Landing gear disagreement = pilot finally fell asleep and copilot took over lol.
English comprehension for the first dude was hovering somewhere around 50% of what it should be. When I hear “turn right five degrees”, I chuckled because I knew there was no way that was getting read back correctly or followed immediately.
I don't see why the controller didn't just give a heading to begin with. Seems like he introduced the confusion in that bit.
@@ra2186they don’t know what your heading actually is due to winds aloft - all they see is your track over the ground. For small adjustments like that, it’s often easier for them to get the result they want by telling you 5 or 10 degrees left or right.
Often a pilot will follow that up with a readback that clears up any ambiguity, eg. “5 degrees right, new heading 040, fox bravo lima”
Blame it on brazils educational system that claims everyones is proficient in portuguese - and on private schools - english too. Freaking stablishment my dude
I laughed, like buddy how did you not see that coming
@@ra2186 My thoughts exactly. The ATC was pretty much pouring a lot of gasoline into this.
I wouldn't want to talk on the radio either if my callsign was PSFBL, what a mouthful every time.
Totally agree
I like that he tried the ole Jedi Mind Trick when he was hit with the possible pilot deviation
"You don't want to give me a number"
"You want to go home and rethink your life"
That guy seemed pretty low energy for an airline pilot. I'm all for being unflappable, but being wide awake is also good.
Me giving my dad turn by turn Mapquest directions in the 90s
the controller aged 5 years in those 10 mins
The pilot’s voice sounds like he’s missing oxygen or had some alcohol 😂
The communication in aviation is hard enough, just imagine doing that in another language
weed
@@bobbastian760 .
Maybe it’s true 🫢 !?
@@lucasknevitzyeah maybe if it’s not what you do for a living, but if you’re a pilot you have to do better than this. Much better
@@zachthomas7810 Agreed, but yet everyone had their start someday, maybe that's his first time on international flight, I mean, you can have 20 years of experience in your own country but international aviation is a whole new world
I think the pilot was a bit overwhelmed with the english communications. He is not so bad at listening (he repeated many times the correct FL), but he definitely was bad at following the instructions. Good thing that the ATC was very assertive, and dealt with this traffic properly.
or a bit too slow maybe 🤔 sounded like he was experiencing hypoxia or something 😟
Yeah that what seemed to me.
He is not used to the communication and vocabulary
Felt so sorry for this guy but he does need to practice his English.
However as a non-native speaker from Europe I must say that I find it way easier to understand the English of European ATC than US ATC. They could vocalize much better than they do.
Same in south America...
I work in a machine shop with guys like this. I'm surprised they have all their fingers.
I don’t understand how ATC deals with so many pilots that basically mumble under their breath. I’ve listened to more ATC communications and it seems to be the norm, not the exception with mumbling.
Most pilots are loud and clear, they just don't make it to RUclips.
It doesn’t matter what the pilot says for the. OST part. It matters what he hears. This guy was doing neither. 😂. Atc could have simplified things, slow down their speech, and cut out extra language not needed, just to get this guy on the ground and outta their hair. Then endeavor shows up and spouts off a bunch of non standard phrases.
The overloaded atc system in the us and many other places has become a shit show.
@@retiredatc8720 , @markkg7963
Before I retired, I used to sit in my high rise office in downtown Houston and listen to “Live ATC” from IAH after the Colgan Air crash. While not all pilots mumble, I sure heard way more than my fair share of COMMS that I often could not understand. I guess it’s one of those things that after you have listened to hours and hours of it, it becomes intelligible in what is being said. You simply learn the “dialect”.
Thank you both for your responses to my initial comment.
You get used to it in the air lol and youll know when someone is lost like this pilot
@@FlightX101
Thank you!
The problem here was that he wasn't completely insecure with his English. This is a big problem here in the US, many people have no idea, sometimes you politely and calmly ask them to stop speaking faster but the idiots continue speaking the same way or sometimes even increase the speed.
Man, I don't understand why so many people want to live there, it's a thousand times better to move to Europe, Switzerland for example.
This is better than trying to find the next best thriller on Netflix. Stressed TF OOUT.
lol, you got that right. breathed a sigh of relief when the pilot finally found the runway!
That sounds like a combination of language barrier and impairment (or illness). It's like he didn't even want to be flying.
Sounds like two different pilots on the radio - changed after the missed approach
Yeah. 02 pilots. The second pilot gave a call just after the missed approach
7.28 tower says 11 aclock. And then cancelled landing. Plane is about 11 a clock from Boston field? Should he not say dir of field?
@@SamiJuntunen1 He said the _relative_ direction. Furthermore, the airport is 11 o'clock relative to the airplane's nose, not the other way around as you wrote,
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They probably sent the purser back to serve drinks and the pilot came back from releasing a dump.
When the controller says "possible pilot deviation I have a phone number to copy when you are ready" he can just reply "we are not ready, wait until we landed" right?
It is a distraction especially for this pilot.
Agreed, not the point at which to start chastisement when setting up the approach, which was bad enough already!
Agree
Yes, he can. Up until now I've never heard a controller issue a pilot deviation before they've landed and are off the runway, and I'm retired.
When the approach control and the tower are two different facilities, it is not unusual for approach to give the phone number. As a controller, you don't want to pass off additional workload to someone else if it can be helped. The replay was edited for time and the map was off, there may have been ample time at that point.
The Approach is in a different facility than the tower. All the controller did was comply with directives to inform of a possible PD, and issue a phone number.
I worked at this facility, this pilot should not have been flying in the US. He blew thru 10000 feet and a speed assignment. The controller did a great job, was VERY patient and professional.
Classic ATC drinking game one…things go from bad to worse and then you get a different voice on the radio.
sounds like the pilots were playing a drinking game before they got on the radio.
@@musicalaviator 2nd guy seemed perfectly sober and alert to me.
The first pilot sounded impaired to me and it seems like someone else took control thank god. This doesn't give me a lot of faith in the awkward pilot who obviously was having some kind of difficulty understanding directions.
PSBFL is based in Brazil. One cannot let landing gear malfunctions keep you from flying the plane. Deviating more than 100' can get you written up and it sounds like this guy blew that by a country mile. I remember in flight training on a Mooney that my instructors would throw as many distractions as they could - but they were making sure that I maintained control and awareness despite systems analysis to correct "mechanical problems." When you fly turbines, this should be rote.
An Embraer 505 Phenom...
Language barrier is a problem here, but mainly this guy is not familiar with Phenom 300/G1000 ILS procedure.
That pesky NAV/GPS button
If the pilot was dealing with landing gear problems, WE ALL KNOW that the crew's priority is to manage the critical situation of the aircraft, not to answer the radio !!! Or is it that only I know that ???
Totally agree 💯
this is why we need to make sure every pilot is perfectly fluent in english
Would like to see English speakers be fluent in other languages. And you are not able at all.
@@leonardodemilio6703 when speaking english is a requirement to fly airplanes and you’re flying in an english speaking country while not being fluent in that language then you’re a hazard to everyone’s safety
@@leonardodemilio6703they are not. But we need international language for aviation. And it is English. And I would like to say that most of US pilots need to learn ICAO standards for communication. What I hear from most of pilots and some of ATC - this is not an ICAO standards.
Bull sh*t
@@gabrielvasin7880and if you can’t speak Spanish , France , Portuguese , and you’re in them airspace??? What can you tell me……
This guy paid someone to take his language proficiency test lmao
the proficiency test doesn't always mean that you can understand everything. Only those who speak more than one language understand this difficulty.
@@winderdias9098 No one said you had to understand perfectly. You just can't be incompetent.
PS FBL is from Brazil. This is an Embraer 505 Phenom. Seems like the pilots cannot communicate effectively. One would expect a higher level of proficiency to fly this airplane.
It is a 2020 Embraer Phenom 300E s/n 50500516
Embraer, yes. But they are not Portuguese speaking pilots.
@@yachtcaptain7320 the registration is Brazilian and so is the owner... the pilots also, due to their English accent
@@joycelima3051 Nope. They are not Brazilian.
I can recognize Brazilians speaking English from 500 meters away.
The Brazilians from Rio are the easiest to recognize speaking English due to their highly phonetic pronunciation.
There is no way those 2 jet pilots are Brazilian.
@@yachtcaptain7320
He sounds West African to me.
As a member of the Brazilian community we would like to apologies for this one.
He was instructed not to go to Boston. His English is still very broken.
lol don't worry man, we aren't blaming all of Brazil, just trying to figure out why it went so bad
@@user-tm8jt2py3d Yea i know. Still shameful though.
@@Dexox2009 Obrigado.
Não precisa puxar o saco dos gringos meu parceiro
Esse daí baba ovo que é uma beleza
I'd hate to be near this guy if I was driving....
Pilot sounds like he’s partially inebriated
Is "landing gear disagreement" is Portuguese for "The captain was drunk so I thwacked him on the head"?
First thing I thought 😅
They had to pull the chart to see if gear was required in Boston.
This reminded me of the day I had my wisdom teeth pulled.
Let's just hope the FAA was ready to greet this "pilot" upon landing. He's not drunk but he's definitely not qualified to be flying IFR.
I think the problem is the ICAO english level of both pilots.
Not qulified, he is brazilian
Actually i heard a different voice at 8:05 and it sounded like the first guy was incapacitated - stroke? going radio silent starting at 7:31 I like that they offered ATC a landing gear issue to avoid all the paperwork though.
@@otiravla What!!??? Way to go, moron
@@otiravla what a stupid comment. As we couldn't find hundreds of videos and audios of north american pilots making mistakes. Shame i can't unsee this....
I’m not a pilot but I think I could follow directions better.
What happens in the case that ATC and the pilots simply can not communicate? Can ATC reach out to someone who speaks Portuguese? I acknowledge that that simply should not be necessary, but this came close.
That should not happen before flying internationally a pilot must pass an english assesment that rates their comunication skills from 1 to 6 being 4 the minimum required to fly internationally. these pilots likely have the level 4. if you have pilots willing to break the rules and fly without that then you are in much bigger problems dealing with someone that even understanding the regulation is not willing to follow it
@@aeroba-tico Whoever gave this idiot his English Language Proficiency rating needs to have his head checked. I've flown internationally for nearly 30 years. I've heard a lot of bad English on the radio. This guy is horrific.
Sounded like dad had been doing some drinking during the flight up to Boston. The son jumped in to save dad from losing his licence
Not even now, with subtitles, that dude still did not understand WTF just happened...
Why is the audio on these super-expensive jet planes so horrible ? 😅
Scary. He's not driving his Beemer, this is the SKY, pal!
Having to add the 5 degrees for him is wild
This isnt just a problem with English, but also completely ignoring proper procedures.
Some newbies english speakers are good while they can control the dialogue, if the other party deviates, they will try to translate on the go, and evidently he lost his nerve, the other guy with better understanding took over and made a few minor mistakes while maintaining the approach withing reasonable parameters! A little ego bruising for the first guy but all safe in the ground! I like to point out the recent accident with that girl in Houston, she was native but the lingo got her confused and she stoped aviating!
The Controller needs to realize that he is completely overloading this guy by giving a phone number, delegate that to Ground after landing, complete waste of time!
That Pilot can’t even follow basic english instructions, sad state of affairs these days…
His own callsign was a struggle for this guy!
No the Pilot needs to have better english skills to fly.
@@gazzas123 Absolutely, but doesn't mean he wasn't being overloaded at the moment. Phone numbers should be marked and saved for ground unless there is nothing going on in the cockpit. Bro can't speak english and is trying to go missed on top of understanding numbers to write down.
Tracon and ground control are inn2 seperate locations. The tracon controllers may not even be at airport. Not sure about Boston but NY tracon is a building in Garden City.Miles from JFK and Laguardia
@@jbsack , that makes no difference and is obviously the case! They are calling each other all the time to hand off traffic and other issues. The fact is, the Controller should have realized that he isn’t getting through to this character but instead he kept tying up the frequency with unnecessary banter that just made things more chaotic. Common sense goes a long way but sadly it’s truly a dying art.
@@gazzas123 True, still not the right moment to get in to that discusison or adding any more stress or distractions to an already overloaded pilot. It´s like going in to VFR in to IMC and expect the controller to give you a number and get you thinking about paper work while you are trying to get off that situation. Pilot should work on their enlish before flying again in the US and eben maybe anywhere outside of brazil. Having said that i did noticed the controller attempeted to make things easier like when confirming that ATIS he made it a yes/no question and then gave the pilot the weather when it changed to Golf
The first pilot should go back to basic English lessons. He'd be hard pressed to buy food at the local supermarket.
- "That will be $28.95, sir."
- "Monday."
Moreover, he sounds like he's falling asleep. Definately not fit to fly a plane that day.
Eeeez ok.
😂
Sounds like hypoxia to me 🤷🏼♀️
@@tachacastilho tought the same
What was the actual outcome of this situation? Hire some Cape Air pilots and send those 2 back to flight school. Language barrier would mean to just ask for help. Ayuda Me!!!
Title is a little overblown. Pilots experienced difficulty and chose proper priority, aviate. Sounds like they switched PIC, fixed problem, and then continued on as normal.
This is the same incompetent pilot as a recording from klas on this same channel They need to prohibit this guy from usa airspace.
PS-FBL is a Phenom 300. My guess is that the plane's owner is flying it and is impaired somehow.
No point in giving pilot deviation to pilots who don't have a USA licence?
He mention a landing gear issue. He never refused to follow instructions. This is a click bait video 🤬🤬🤬
Foi o que percebi. Apesar de algumas dificuldades de compreensão do que o ATC falava, o resto estava ok
How do you get this far into a flying career with comms like that 😂
He's probably not that far into his career. Certainly not flying Internationally.
Being a Brazilian who is fluent in English, it comes across that the first pilot either didn't speak the language fluently or couldn't hear the directions form ATC correctly. Just disappointing!!!
I feel the same way here, such a shame!
Dude give the guys a break! I’m a pilot I’ve been flying in United States for 8 years and not all have been pieces of cake, you’re flying in a country that has a way more crowded space than Brazil with flight controllers that’s doesn’t care if you’re local or not, I never had a violation but definitely have done my mistakes, so I’ll tell you, it takes time to be fluent/proficient on flying here!
@@douglasdeoliveira658sorry no excuse
@@douglasdeoliveira658 I’ve flown all over the world and this was some weak sauce! If your English skills are this poor, stay home, or rather don’t fly, as aviation is entirely english. I’ll be the first to admit that certain US controllers can behave poorly, but that wasn’t the case here. Just imagine this crew in a part of the world that doesn’t hand hold like the US can and with another non native English speaker.
English proficiency card revoked!
Empatia zero….
yea if y'all really looking for the cause of it, you'd focus on other adjectives about the pilot, i think his incompetence is more important to be cited than the place he was born in.
Got the money to buy an airplane but don’t know the basics of the language..then puts the son to take over the radio. Why i’m not surprised.
Aconteceu. N é costume...temos Excelentes pilotos.
@@flying9249 hello. It's not because I'm Brazilian and married to a Portuguese man, having lived in both countries...but I can say: Portuguese Tap and Brazilian companies are great. Someone commented that the pilot of this flight would not even be Brazilian and it is possible. The level of English varies in Brazil, but I assume - and from what I've experienced - that the Pilots have language tests for approval... Mistakes or mistakes happen. ex: because of an American Legacy plane, a Gol1907 commercial flight crashed in the Amazon rainforest. EVERYONE died violently....but...the Legacy pilots are free. They were never held accountable. Did you know that?
I doubt he owns that jet. Most jet pilots work for a company.
how about letting him land how can he call anyone when he is landing.
Control should have more patient and be more clear with instructions....
That guy really sounded like a bit if a dingbat, if I may say so. Following directions was not one of his strongest points!
Wrong sir, bats (Even dingbats) can fly... :)
@@brenthendricks8182 Oh, OK.
As a Brazilian working with people from the US, I can understand the struggle of not knowing exactly what the natives are saying. But at least I wasn't flying a plane 😆.
This man sounds fatigued! also, when a pilot deviation occurs why not let them get on the ground first before giving the warning and the number? all it does in flight is increase stress and lead to more mistakes.
I’m in Boston and have never even been on a plane, but I’m halfway through this video and it’s scary af
Terrible. English is the international standard language for civil aviation. If you can't speak and understand it, you have no business flying an aircraft--anywhere in the world, let alone in the US.
A "landing gear issue." I hate it when that happens! Good one.
Have you ever tried to listen to another language thru an airplane radio? even American pilots have to go to "say again" to these ATC types. You can have English Level 10 but NE corridor are full of a-holes, trying to ruin your day.
Most aviation is done in the local language for the local airlines. English is not a widely spoke language in Brazil, I'm sure their ATC is using Portuguese for the locals. And to be fair the big-city ATC english is like listening to an auctioneer.
This is why the FAA needs to do cursory inspections on all private and charter aircraft, both prior to and immediately after arriving. In Europe, we're faced with what is known as a SAFA Inspection. The inspector literally goes through everything to make sure we're 100% legal.
Does this happen every time in Europe? Or randomly by chance? Because the FAA has inspectors that can perform a "ramp check". Can be caused by seeing risky or dangerous activity during the flight, or even just a random thing. And if it's a commercial flight, they're allowed to enter the plane and check most anything.
The FAA field inspection will do very little to prevent this and similar incidents around the country. We sign reciprocal treaties with countries for licensing both maritime and aviation standards. They only work if everyone follows the same rules and standards.
Crash investigations (especially for some non-US airlines) sometimes find that the pilots are not correctly trained and qualified. Investigators have found log book entries that are forged or missing.
In this case, the plane is not an airliner. It could be that its owner is very rich, very busy, and bought the plane without putting in all the time and effort to learn everything that he needs to know.
ATC should have spoken more slowly.
Ignoring possible pilot deviation is wild 😅
"Localizer and Glideslope at the same time?"
I know little of this subject except as a flying passenger but I would assume Boston Logan is a less congested airport compared to JFK, Chicago, LA or SFO and Heathrow or say Charles DeGaulle , in France. Can you imagine ATC trying to get this guy on the ground at one of those congested airports?
Given the sheer size of Brazil and their robust aviation industry, Brazilian pilots feel compelled to speak Portuguese in their domestic operations. This habit leaves them very weak in aviation English. In this regard, Brazilian pilots are not very different from their French or Spanish counterparts, who also favor their native language when speaking to their domestic ATCs (...leaving everyone else out of situational awareness in the area, because of it, by the way...). There are, however, two very crucial points, regarding the use of native language by all these pilots. (1) Spaniards and French still speak effective aeronautical English, because they constantly have to fly to other European or intercontinental destinations. (2) French and Spaniards always justify themselves for using their national languages because those are official ICAO languages, whereas Brazilians can not use that argument.
Actually, the approved languages to be used in R/T according to ICAO annex 10 is english, or any official language of the state you are flying in, official UN languages or not. So, in Brazil they are in accordance with annex 10 when speaking portuguese. I agree, however, that it is not conductive to good overall situational awareness.
these are very busy airports and all pilots need to have good English skills.
The pilot's voice sounds like he......DOESNT SPEAK ENGLISH good ENOUGH to pilot a private jet outside his own country.
How can they let him fly?
I feel like there were actually three pilots flying PBL on that approach. The last pilot sounded like a kid.
What he meant by “landing gear disagreement” was that the two of them couldn’t agree when to swing the gear.
It’s like trying to control a cat.
How is this guy flying a jet? On Boston airspace?
I’m not reassured by the notion that a pilot who already seems overwhelmed has to drop everything to copy a phone number. Maybe that process can be modernized soon?
Where do these people get their licences????
my goodness. U know what this is called right? "Get the cheapest you can get."
ATC in the US shows always zero emphaty and zero “no blame culture” (saying “possible pilot deviation” on frequency?!)
Speaking slower, using and limiting only to standard ICAO phraseology (which clearly they don’t use or either know) without overwhelming the poor pilot it would have provided a different outcome.
Thinking that not everyone is American helps.
As a brazilian, I'm very sorry, we're not that stupid.
Achei o vira lata
woof
How can he be at 10000 altitude when he is coming in for landing? Then they let him come down to 4000. First controllers seemed wrong.
What a Charlie Foxtrot.
Controller was probably thinking Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Is the pilot tired or drunk?
How did he have his ICAO English compliance?
Can someone please explain what the pilot deviation was at 2:50? Was it because ATC wanted him to fly 040 but he was only at 035? Or was it because earlier he didn't maintain the correct altitude?
Didn't he miss both altitude and speed? I think he got off the approach - had to be vectored? Surprised he's in a jet like this.
1: descended too early to meet the STAR's altitude restrictons
2: told several times to maintain 10,000ft
3: told to climb back to 10,000ft after they failed to maintain 10,000ft
3: got to 7000ft or so before climbing again (a deviation in IFR is 100ft, 3000ft is... huge)
4: during the climb back to 10,000ft slowed down to 220 knots instead of maintaining 250 knots as per the STAR's restrictions
5: ATC gave up and told them they're getting vectors now since they obviously can't follow the STAR. Was asked to turn 5 degrees left
6: didn't know what "turn left" meant, and randomly turned right, when asked what they were doing, said they were turning to heading 035.
Many times, were asked what their altitude was (where they are right now) and either ignored the question, or re-iterated that the man that was asking the question had asked them to maintain 10,000ft. "How high are you?" "You said to climb to 10,000" (after a few times, the ATC told them they'd busted 7000ft and were still descending)
It was just a simulator, not real life, right ? right?
why the voice changed? looks like they switched pilot in command?
Guy doing bad comms switched with a better speaker, meaning sleepy Juan did the landing.
Seems the guy doing bad comms switched with a better speaker, meaning sleepy Juan did the landing.
Come on. Its difficult trying to do an approach while doing a line of cola simultaineously.
At least he got his priorities right.
"Okay"?
and thats why an ICAO level 4 is not enough... also pilot situation awareness was lacking
Just like in IVAO… 😂
Who signed this guy off as "English Proficient"?!?!?
Good work by BOSTON ATC!!
Sort of. He kept insisting on giving a phone number for pilot deviation, while a clearly overloaded pilot was trying to set up for landing. That ATC did good, yes, mostly, but he also had zero tolerance for the pilots difficulty with English and did not try to make it more clear and understandable, and adding more workload just to get his own paperwork done, when it could easily wait until after landing, is really beyond belief. Like, does he really think, his paperwork is more important than getting that plane safely on the ground??
The pilot definitely did not speak English well enough to fly internationally. But the ATC was more concerned with b*tching at an already stressed pilot and getting his paperwork done, than he was doing the primary job, which is helping the plane safely to the ground.
This became more dangerous than needed due to the ATCs reaction. Imho.
were they smoking pot on the way in?