Diesel vs Hybrid: Toyota Fortuner vs Corolla Cross Comparo | Zigwheels.Ph
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Which is the true king of mileage? We test drive them together (like normal people, no eco run tactics here) on a real world road trip to find out!
Hybrids like the Toyota Corolla Cross have great mileage numbers but is it enough to make up for how much raw car you get for almost the same money with a traditional diesel SUV like the Toyota Fortuner?
00:00 Intro
00:38 Why small Cross vs big Fortuner?
02:35 Checkpoint 1: Mixed Mileage Check
03:26 Why is diesel more efficient than gas anyway?
05:44 Checkpoint 2: Halfway Efficiency
06:45 Checking out gas prices and BTS Mealtime
07:28 Destination: Clark and Final FC
08:28 The Final Result
10:02 The team votes: Hybrid or Diesel?
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6months later, diesel prices have gone way up, Hybrid has a definite future in Philippine roads
Hybrids shine in stop and go, slow moving traffic. Highway runs just engage the gas engine and defeats the purpose of the electric battery.
Looking for this exact kind of video!! Good job sir
Nice concept! 👌🙌 Definitely out of the box! 🔥
Watched this video over 3 times already 👍🏼 Great work here 👍🏼 Looking forward for another round between these two cars on a 2-hour stop-and-go city driving including Edsa 🙏🏼
Awesome, thank you!
Great comparo between the hybrid and diesel engine and thanks for sharing your feedbacks throughout the video kudos to your team 👍
This is a fun video! Please do a comparison in 2 hours of rush hour traffic :)
New subscriber! Please do more comparo vids like this one.
#teamcorollacross
Good Review…Keep it up…
Great content. This comparo is what I was really searching for days. Great stuff!
Given the situation these days, price of diesel sky rockets almost every week. Hybrid is the best option.
We definitely didn't imagine diesel matching gas prices when we shot this comparo! Thanks for watching!
Hmm... mine is Corolla Cross hybrid and it's 23km/liter (city and highway/average) and for my Fortuner it's 14km/liter. Corolla Cross hybrid though is a lighter (and easy) car to drive. For off-road, definitely Fortuner.
Did we read your comment right? You have BOTH kings of mileage in your garage-we're jealous!
And thanks for watching!
I'm curious if the consumption readiing on the instrument cluster is the same if computed manually. Number of kms travelled divided to the number of liters consumed (in between two full tanks).
I have Honda vezel 2016 hybrid 1.5L petrol engine on that maximum km I ever did with one full tank(40L) was 730km with remaining 5L in tank and average 24km/l on hiway 17-18km/l in city limit
The more you drive the more a hybrid or any fuel efficient vehicle pays back in savings, but every owner will have a different pattern of commute. Conversely, if you drive very little, the ACTUAL amount of $ paid for fuel is small over the entire span of the vehicle ownership, and as such does not pay off eventually. I find it weird that a lot of reviewers don't talk about that. Taiwanese reviewers talk A LOT about this, and they mention how many km's per year you need to drive, in order for a hybrid to make economical sense over 5,6,10 years.
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Actually, why would you need a video to discuss that? To me its rather straight forward. Petrol is x$ per liter. A hybrid engine only saves petrol when you drive more in stop start conditions. In a constant highway speed it does not really save so much, but still it is considerably less. So depending on what conditions you drive in, the more you drive in those conditions per day then the more petrol you save, and you must calculate the return on investment vs time. The simplest way to think about this is if you buy a petrol version vs a hybrid version and park both in a garage and never drive it, you'd be sure the petrol version will actually be a better economic solution.
Please bear in mind my original comments were made 6 months ago (Dec 2021), and petrol prices were not as high as today (June 2022) so I'm sure you can do the maths when given the example.
can u site more examples?
Hybrids win in range and fuel economy!
What is the life span of the battery of the hybrid? How do they dispose of the battery?
Having read all the comments (48 at the time of my comment), I noticed that no one mentioned the environmental cost of diesel vs hybrid. Not really surprising though; most Pinoys still predominantly care about personal benefits (fuel savings, maintenance cost, lifestyle/macho perception, etc.), rather than the cost (carbon footprint, air particulates, nitrous oxide emission, etc.) to others (family health, the planet, etc.) Maybe the hybrid is like divorce; the Philippines will be the last country to embrace it. 😆
That is true, hopefully when the prices go down a bit more for hybrids more people would buy them with going green as the motivation!
Totally agree. Even with just 100K diff in price, I'll get the Cross as my first car. Remember, we only have 1 Earth. :)
Are you american? Anyway you are white. Yeah philippines will be the last to embrace it. Why not? It is our time to industrialize and enjoy cars. We enjoy for about 5 decades? Why not? You WHITES want to limit us? After you have been enjoying it for a century. Now that developing countries are catching up, you want to limit us? As you said if we will be the last then so be it.
If you are using the car daily...Go for hybrid...If not lalo na sa mga OFWs na bihira lang gamitin...Forty ako...
It would be interesting to see how far each car can go given the same budget of fuel.
I smell a long term test on our hands! I hope @ToyotaMotorPhilippines reads this and gets us to do a part deux!!
Obviously diesel.
It also showed that for Every Liter of Gasoline the Corolla Hybrid can travel 3 Km more...so if both will consume 10 liters of fuel the hybrid will travel 30Km MORE....
@@ZigWheelsPhilippines The diesel because of the large fuel tank
@@SalManila1 "same budget" regardless how big the tank is.
Mazda CX-5, without a doubt. Would rather get that than a Fortuner Q.
It's not only cheaper, but cheaper to run and Mazda's are every bit as reliable as Toyota's.
Let's assume based on the current price right now here in my hometown.
P85/L for the diesel
P81/L for gasoline
Let's assume we'll average a 12,000 km/year
As per your experiment the mileage of Fortuner is 15 km/L & the Cross is 18.1 km/L
In a year the Fortuner will consume 800 L of diesel which will translate to 68,000 pesos annual fuel cost while Cross will consume around 663 L of gasoline which will translate to 53,040 pesos
You'll save in Cross 14960 pesos in fuel annually, based only on our current fuel price.
I think you'll benefit even more in Cross if you're more on city driving.
Interesting comparo, my 2020 vios with the 1.3 engine CVT does 18.1 km/liter with 3 passengers and some luggage 80-90 kph average speed. Hoping hybrids and EV's will become affordable in the future.
#TeamCorollaCross
That's great numbers from your Vios, thanks for sharing some real world information! We definitely can't wait for these electric powered cars to become even more accessible as well
Man, i was really hoping the cross hybrid to be a 7 seater,
sir, this two vehicles are my plans to bought this year. i think i would go for the corolla cross, because it's much more quieter to drive. any suggestions? i have hyundai accent diesel, and i dont like the nvh.
NVH is quite good in general plus when the Cross is running in EV mode there's basically no sound except for road noise, you will definitely enjoy!
@@ZigWheelsPhilippines thanks Roy!
If the driver has the luxury of driving well paved roads and does not encounter flood(s) go for the Cross.
are the driving features of the cross and fortuner the same? eg lane keep assist, cruise control etc, airbags?
Toyota Safety Sense features (adaptive cruise control, lane assist, etc) are present in the Cross but only on the high spec Fortuners and not the G model we tried here
Malaki tipid sa hybrid kasi exempted sa coding kaya di nako bibili ng another car 😁😍😛
Nasa inyo na yung 2 cars, sana tinest nyo na rin sa stop and go traffic.
Wow. God bless
Vlog taken 9mos ago..57 pa lang ang gas. Those were the days. 😂
Hello Zigwheels PHL
Have we considered the Maintenance Cost of this Toyota Corolla Cross Hybrid?
How much is the maintenance cost? Considering that we have a Battery System, an Electric Motor, and a Gasoline Engine all combine in one vehicle. Thank you.
With the battery under warranty for 8-years (10 on other models) Toyota claims it is good for the lifetime of the vehicle and we shouldn't think about extra maintenance costs involved with it. Meanwhile the gas engine should not be much different cost-wise from a non-hybrid version
great review.. How about on city driving, bumper to bumper, which of the two would get better fuel economy ?
For mixed driving like we did, the Fortuner can be competitive but in pure traffic the hybrid would win no problem!
How about maintenance? Which costs less?
To complete the equation, can you factor in the cost of fuel (price of diesel and gasoline) and the cost of ownership over 5 years (cost of maintenance for the hybrid and diesel engine)?
According to this fellow, hybrids doesn't have parts like traditional cars do like alternator, starter, hydraulic pump, etc. that often go bad over time. Not sure about this, but if true, i hope that's a great thing on cost of ownership! ruclips.net/video/3m5j8nJrMc8/видео.html
This hyrbid can be cheaper and it can be super expensive to own. It depends on how you take care of it. If you do enough research and you will take care of it, you will really save huge sums of money going for the hybrid cross.
This deserves a second run with the skyrocketing fuel prices .
Also in rush hour traffic not high way speeds.
Und wie viel CO2 sind in die Luft gegangen?
nakakadismaya naman 3L lang pagitan.. lods pwede request.. Nissan kicks epower vs toyota corolla cross naman next. thank you
Interesting!- unfortunately both are stars in their own right, hybrids in terms of saving are brilliant at stop/go, whilst diesel is brilliant at long haul but both provide great torque with electricity being instant. It will defend on ones lifestyle to choose between two great cars.
Well said! As we mentioned at the end, it's great to have such competitive choices!
You should have included what you spent on fuel in the distance covered.
We were actually supposed to, but both of their fuel gauges were still at full! It would have been a few hundred at most for both of them
It would be nice to know the cost of 1 liter of fuel, the Fortuner could very well be the winner in that case.
This vid was made 8 months ago, it was a different time when diesel was cheaper than petrol and fuel was 30% cheaper.
Thanks for the tip! I think a part 2 of this is in order :-)
Sana full tank method ang ginawa kasi 100% of the time hindi naman accurate yan.
should've also done pure city driving from light to heavy traffic. highway tests are deceptive and does not reflect real world usage.
SOON THE Fortuner will also have a hybrid. Are you rationalizing buying cheap vs expensive, small cargo space vs large?
Toyota Cross Hybrid: modern car technology for young adults and drives like a sleek new Iphone.
Toyota Fortuner: More space for your family and drives like an old brick phone in early 2000s.
Mabuhay from Malaysia. Want to ask your opinion, in Malaysia due to government tax, the Cross Hybrid is 1,676,863, versus Fortuner 2.8 (top spec) 2,447,975. With the huge increase in price between the 2 SUVs, which one would you vote for now?
Also, how are the NVH and interior quality between the 2 SUVs?
We wouldn't really cross shop the Cross Hybrid with the top spec Fortuner, even in the PH the gap between the two is more than 750k and it's simply too much of a difference!
Interior quality, the Cross beats the base Fortuner in our comparo, but the Fortuner benefits from its big chassis especially when it comes to dampening vibration and harshness, noise it will lose out because it is a diesel after all!
Long term for 10 years u can save more. But on the other hand what's 3km/l go for the fortuner instead
While it evened out in the end, there is always the possibility of the hybrid opening up a bigger lead like the middle of our journey! Hard to feel like you can go wrong either way though
In my opinion, 3km/L difference between a diesel G variant Fortuner and TCC hybrid is actually not quite accurate. There were quite a number of variables that should have been factored in like the driving habits of the drivers. Maintenance wise also, Hybrid costs much lower since it has no starter, no spark plugs, no hydraulic steer, no alternator, and no fan belt… just to name a few.
But I respect your opinion.
Corolla Cross, that 3 kl difference multiply by 100. in the long run Hybrid file up huge distance
Why Toyota only???
It would have been better if you used a Fortuner 2.4 V 4x2 AT because it has cruise control. My point is that it might have been better to see if both vehicles were in cruise control with a speed locked in at say 80km per hour; and both on ECO mode. We can achieve this since it’s an expresssway.
I’m sure the Corolla Cross could have clocked in at 22km per liter easy if the driver did not have to change to sports mode at one point in the video. This could have been the reason why it went down to 18km per liter.
Last July I went to Baguio using my Corolla Cross hybrid (QC to Baguio is 250 km). I put it not in Eco mode but Normal mode… with aircon on, cruise control at 90km/hr… in the end, it registered 25kk/L.
But I applaud for the effort to compare the G variant diesel and the Cross hybrid. At the end of the day, it all boils down the driving style or habit. 🙂
Thanks for the detailed feedback! It is true that the driver plays a big part as well, that's why we decided to drive as we normally do for the test. In fact, we did use the PWR mode on the Fortuner that day too-we just can't help it!
DJ car reviewer. nice voice
I wonder what the costs are in terms of maintenance. Both cars can have various factors affecting the cost. Corolla cross has an electric engine and Fortuner obviously, SUV parts.
In terms of maintenance, the Cross hybrid is cheaper because there are no spark plugs, alternators, or fan belts just to names few. Every time I go to the CASA, they only change the oil and filter.🙂
Sir 4W drive ba an corolla cross hybrid?
It's the FWD version for us
SURPRISE there will be a fortuner hybrid in 2022.
Corolla cross hybrid 23 mpg,
Fortuner 14.7 on paper.
Corolla cross hybrid 1.6 million
Fortuner 2.5 million.
Of Course the fortuner has much more cargo space.
Not much difference. Im not sure if cross hybrid is worth the extra price over non hybrid.
They tested it in the highway, hybrid cars really shine on hellish traffic or in the city
My Corolla Cross hybrid in traffic with aircon on and on Eco mode averages at 18km/L… but on expressway, aircon on and at Normal mode and adaptive cruise control at 90km/hr, it averages 22km per liter easy. And maintenance wise, since it has no spark plugs, alternator or fan belt, they only do change oil and filter.
@@rsberdan your numbers are good. I guess in depends on the driver.
@@rsberdan how about on offroad is it still good?
@@ricdonaldesmilla8616 Dito sa Philippines, we only have the front wheel drive. But in the US, they have the AWD (All Wheel Drive) version making it more responsive to off road.
One reason why diesel as a fuel has higher heating value as compared to gasoline is that diesel sold here in the Philippines contains 5%(v/v) of ethanol vs 10%(v/v) of gasoline wherein ethanol has lower heating value compared to the two.
On why hybrid makes more sense as compared to traditional engine, if your everyday activity entails a lot of driving then you should be choosing hybrid.
Case in point: if you'll be driving roughly 60,000km over a 5yr period, that extra 3km/L of fuel will translate to around 20,000L of gasoline. Assuming PhP50/L of gasoline price, that easily translates to a million pesos which covers the PhP100,000 price difference.
Hopefully, this hybrid maintenance expense is not that sky high
Thanks for sharing that quality info! With the average daily mileage of 10,000km per year in the PH, it's not really far off to hit 60k especially if you get inspired to go on drives because you have great fuel economy!
Your computation is completely wrong. 18 km/L (Cross) vs. 15 km/L (Fortuner), assuming gasoline price is at Php 50/L, only equates to a difference of 0.55 cents/km (Php 2.78/km for the Cross vs. Php 3.33/km for the Fortuner). Multiply that to 60,000 km, you will only get a net savings of Php 33,000 over a 5-year period. Well, if the price of gasoline increases, you'll save more of course.
I think, the strong points of having a hybrid is the hellish city traffic.
Yes definitely, the Fortuner hit 9-10 in lockdown city driving, but the Cross is easily in the teens in the same conditions
My Cross hybrid at traffic is around 16-18km/L. Then on expressway at cruise control on Normal mode is around 22-25km/L
@@ZigWheelsPhilippines so sir sa city driving and city traffic mas matipid ang corolla cross hybrid?
Yes definitely, stop and go traffic is the biggest killer of fuel economy
Fortuner for me
great! but here's a thing, the maintenance should be checked as well. with that big tires of Fortuner, malamang mas magastos than the smaller options. plus GAS engines are really easy to maintain, may hybrid lng but then Prius are proven toyota hybrid. Sana pati yung GAS total expenses pinag match nyo na din. kasi mas mura di hamak diesel dyan.. anyway. thanks! I'll wait for the Innova hybrid, makes more sense than a getting a corolla cross. I'm giving myself 5 more years, dadami na hybrid cars, or EV dito sa pinas. Salamat naman. $%#$L2$#@! na govt.
In 5 years we might soon get a Innova GRS with a hybrid!
@@ZigWheelsPhilippines yes, hopefully it gets here in PH market. But with other countries going electric, im sure susunod n tyo, wag lng harangin ng mga govt sangay na appointed na oldschool na nagpapayaman for their retirement, kawawa nnmn earth and uring manggagawa.
Factoring the high price of fuel gasoline against diesel then its even. I think,
It's definitely a different situation with the crazy fuel prices today!
If you are in the stop and go traffic the hybrid will be a clearer winner...it's engine will not be on all the time
Corolla cross hybrid 120hp fortuner 201.
I BET THE CROSS can't overtake an old lady in a fortuner.
I'd go for the fortuner. Gas prices are up. Whatever mileage you save in a cross will be compensated for the price of diesel and 'm skeptical with these new techs.
My mobile phone battery gave up after 3 years of use. Batteries what size they maybe, wear out. How much is the battery replacement?
As long as the govt allows diesel engine, its diesel for me
my accent diesel gets 25 km/ liter..
The potential of diesel power in a small car! As we mentioned, the Fortuner should definitely hit the 20+ numbers easily if it were Cross sized
So its not a practical at hindi tipid sa gas ang hybrid. 1.6M hybrid? WeL eco evironment spend money for the toyota cross hybrid
id rather go for HONDA CRV
How about a diesel RAV4 if it were still around?
@@ZigWheelsPhilippines i still dont think so, i dont like the design of infotainment system of Rav 4 its like Altis quite annoying and it doesnt have features like CRV do. and yet overprice
I've done a simple calculation, of Pesos per 500km of both cars, as of right now June 30, 2023
Diesel (normally is cheaper) = 54 pesos
Gas 91 octane = 64.5 pesos
Fortuner runs 15km per 54 pesos
Corolla cross runs 18.1km per 64.5 pesos
So in a 500km trip:
- fortuner costs about 1,799 pesos
- corolla cross costs about 1,781 pesos
but normally the cross can run on average about 20km/L
so I hope this can help.
Thank you for sharing! The change in diesel prices lately has really made this a much closer fight!
nah, gasoline is normally cheaper in my area! plus electric power though, I chose hybrid performance
@@HSstudio.Ytchnnl yes, hybrid is going to be the norm in the near future.
Fortuner pa din. Konti lang pala deperensya sa fuel. Babaan nila presyo ng hybrid atleast P300k pwede pa.
Saka hybrid is hype. Maglabas sila ng hybrid suv or hybrid van. Yun ang maganda. 🚐
Bale wala ang itinipid nya kasi mas mura nman ang diesel kaysa gasolina so lamang parin ang diesel
not today, at least sa area ko mas mura ang gas tapos syempre ang hybrid may electric part pa at panalong-panalo yung performance ng hybrid kumpara sa diesel. Siguro kapag nag-mamax payload ako regularly eh pipiliin ko diesel pero para sa daily driving ko, Hybrid ako!
Toyota needs to redeisgn the Corollas cross's ass. it looks like a car from 2010
Yabang lng Ang hanap s Fortuner.
THAT WAS A STUPID WAY OF MEASURING FUEL ECONOMY!!! SOLELY BASING IT FROM THE TRIP COMPUTER IS DEFINITELY INACCURATE!! I CONSISTENTLY LOG 10 KM/L PURE HIGHWAY FROM MANILA TO ILOCOS NORTE WITH MY 2021 FORTUNER 2.4G A/T USING THE FULL-TANK METHOD AND NOT THE LOUSY TRIP COMPUTER!!!