Nemesis Review - with Tom Vasel
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- Tom Vasel takes a look at this semi-cooperative game from Awaken Realms!
00:00 - Introduction
01:54 - Game overview
12:30 - Final Thoughts
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Just played my first game a few days ago. We played the full co-op version, and discovered early on that the aliens take damage from fire suppression. Our mechanic spent almost the entire game in the fire suppression room mortaring the aliens and killing several of them. Unfortunately, the aliens eventually found him eventually and most of the crew ended up in the emergency room with no ammo in their weapons facing the queen. It turns out trying to melee the queen to death doesn't work.
The co-op mode seems tacked-on as an afterthought, but I would definitely recommend playing it for your first few games until all players have learned the mechanics. Also, page 10 of the rule book REALLY should have been put on a quick reference sheet. You will use that page a lot.
Just decided to play our first game of Nemesis. My buddy didn't like the idea of having different objectives, but luckily the game has a full coop experience with it's own objective cards that differ from the standard game experience. I don't know if I ever want to play a game any other way... the game is so exciting... we decided at the end of our game to sacrifice me... I had to go to hatch control system which opens up the escape pods but there was an alien guarding it... Me - I was in a wheel chair with a laser pistol.... I had to unlock the doors so he could get out. He decided to split to the generators to set the self destruct and then would launch out an escape pod... He would survive, we would blow the ship up, and the earth will receive our signal. It would be a win, but I had to unlock the escape pods. He was bleeding and any more wounds and he would die, I had been attacked multiple times and was full of contamination cards. He had 1 contamination card and so we were going to risk him not being contaminated and being the sole survivor.
Well suffice to say, he died at the escape pod chamber making to much noise and an alien running to attack him. I had managed to survive my encounter with the alien, but it didn't matter since he was dead and the room broke down and I was unable to fix it. Now for us to win, I had to survive and get off the ship, he had already started the self destruct so it was a matter of making it to the exit before the ship blows. I made my way down the same path he went, and rolled my way to success making no noise. I draw an event card, the aliens move... and the one guarding the escape pod leaves via through a technical corridor... oh my ... the way is clear. I just need to be quiet... I manage to wheel myself through a burning room, I stop at the surgical center and perform a surgery healing my serious wounds and removing my contamination cards... the self destruct system auto unlocked the escape pods and so I just needed to survive a turn or more...
I get to the escape pods, but I make some noise in the corridor behind me as I pass... I see the corpse of my dead friend next to the air lock. I climb in the escape pods and eject... The ship blows up, signal has been sent, the analysis of an infected corpse complete.... I survive.... We win... but the turn was I thought I was going to die trying to save him, but it ended up that fate reversed the roles...
EPIC! This first full coop experience was the best I have played. Stuff happens and you deal with it... At one point I had to back track to a room to turn on a fire suppression system to flush out an alien/intruder from the room he was in so he could survive. Yes I turned on the fire system, and the alien ran out of the room.... if you are an Aliens move fan... this is the game that lets you have that experience of trying to survive.
I can't wait to play again... full COOP .... of course.
It sounds like a Great game, it plays out like a story. Thing is, u can mess with your friend and say I was never Planning to save u, but sacrifice u instead lmao (or can say that to make em mess up and u accomplish killing player). Or u can keep providing proof (or supposed proof) that youre working towards common goal too.
Another comment said its easier to go for own objective to win rather than common goal, but then if everyone in group does that, u have to fight not only the intruders but the others which may become harder than a Supposed common goal, and things changes meanwhile.
I don't think I've ever seen your hat and jacket clash more, Tom :P
tundra_no_caps star riddler!
Yes but it gives him an extra action point and 4 armor
Nah, I’m digging his outfit
How no clue about this channel until South Park. That’s definitely something cool to hang your hat on. One of the greatest shows of all time mentioned you. Not only mentioned you but this specific video. Lol I love it.
Good review Tom!
Looking forward to getting this to our table!
We've got an unboxing on our channel too!
Probably important to mention that the paint job was a KS add-on; not included in the basic box.
Called sundrop. I think washes with some added details like blood, aliens and human are different colour treatment. Also they did offer a fully painted option in the KS but understandably it was a lot of money.
I think the coloured bases for the player characters might be, too. At least, I played my friend's copy and we didn't have those. (Or the paint job.)
looks simple enough, base coat, rinse and some dry brush for highlights.
Looks pretty good tbh.
Please pin this comment @The Dice Tower
16:55 - "I don't like the movie Aliens."
BLASPHEMER!!!!!!
Not liking Alien and Aliens should be punishable by death
Alien was good. Aliens was ok....
There's a card to kill player 5 you say...?
@@swvi9459 nerds are so god damn weird
Heresy, complete heresy.
My groups love semi-cooperative games and loved Dead of Winter. They will probably love this.
huh my group hated dead of winter
My group loves dead of winter too
If the semi-co-op bothers you, there's a variant that makes it pure co-op. All players just have personal objectives and have them face-up.
Or you could just not deal out the corporate objectives at all (or shuffle one into a pile of personals to limit the game to one "traitor"- I'd definitely try that)... There are all kinds of ways to tweak this. :)
Woah, this is basically Argus Software's Alien for Commodore 64, one of my all time favorite games. I'm sold.
My favourite game of all time. The tension is great . Each play feels like a different story. The game starts quiet, but before long it evolves into pure survival. The odds are against you. It’s not about winning, but rather about how you die.
Thanks for the re-upload. One of the strengths of Nemesis is that it's playable in many ways, such as semicoop, full Coop or single player.
That's not a strength of the game, it's indicative that not a single mode of play is good enough in and of itself.
@@Stomski for us the semi coop mode works very well, as does the graphic novel coop campaign
@@Stomski I agree it isn't a strength. There's far too many games that offer that and wayyyy more that are one of those styles (sp, coop etc) to choose from.
This was a great review Tom. You explained the negatives really well and can give people an idea on whether they would be affected by them or not.
I've got to get my hands on this game. Very cool and 100% my cup of tea.
Phew, I thought he was gonna drop the hammer on the miniature.
Wow one of the coolest themes I've seen in a while and by that I don't really mean the visuals even thought that helps set the tone. I like the objectives and problem solving written on the cards so far. I also don't mind if the co op players don't always get along and trip each other up. I guess I like sci-fi thrillers.
thank you thank you for not doing a component drop on those amazing models! Looking forward to getting my copy in a few months with the second wave shipping and all the extras. Have fun with it when you play!
I apologize for bumping this old comment, but what is the expected ship date? I'm hoping presales will still be available on eBay once I have the dough.
Is it possible to play this with 6 players even though the recommended max. is 5?
Thanks for the review Tom. I can't wait to play my copy but I have to wait till April but then I will get all the stretch goal content at the same time as the base game. It's basically coming with 2 expansions so hopefully you could please review the extra content as well?
April? think again, juli/august earliest if no further delays happen
I got my core game last week. Stretch goals being sent out in June. This game is fun to play multi player. The only drawback so far. It’s takes awhile to setup.
I have played this on tabletop simulator and really enjoy it. Is this coming to retail?
Its Mer It has a stand-alone expansion on Kickstarter right now and the base game is also available. It will also eventually make its way to retail.
@TomVasel Please do a live play of this game! I'm sure we would all love watching it in action.
Tom, you missed the golden opportunity at the end to mallet the Alien. Schoolboy error
You got featured on South Park!
Nemesis is one of the few semi co-ops that works and it works well. Also you can't directly kill another player so being a bad guy isn't easy and requires you to be sneaky or even sometimes not evil just so you can survive and hope that your target gets killed because of aliens.
Soooo...I shouldn’t get the full boat KS edition that my FLGS is selling?
I suck at painting. But I do think I'm going to try a colored wash for the pieces. I think that look suits the theme of the game.
I don't think that Untold Stories book is included if you buy the non-Kickstarter version.
I have the game and the amount of content you get is just insane so many different tokens cards and muniatures
Excited!
Do the base game minis still come with the painted wash or was that for a Kickstarter?
It was a kickstarter option. I just got the base game and all the minis (aliens & crew) are the same grey plastic. However, a little primer and some wash and you're in business. You could paint everything in a couple of hours.
This is a super game. Absolutely love it. Sure, it's difficult enough, with personal missions it's the most fun/stressy games I own. And I own a lot.
So um, the action cost isn't how many actions it uses, it's how many additional cards you discard, all actions count as one action but not all force you to discard
This is currently my favourite game; I totally agree that semi co-op doesn't totally work, especially in smaller numbers (2-3). I've had some successes and the last one was the most stressful, tense, anxious game I've every played, but it was also the single most fulfilling and giddy I've ever been due to a game.
Honestly there's enough stress with the co-op mode, don't you think?
Fantastic review!
The "washed" Aliens you mentioned are if "Sundrop method" was Chosen during Kickstarter - im not sure if the retail Versions will look like that - please check before buying and beeing disappointed then if you get them w/o that REALLY REALLY cool effect (i LOVE mine)
I generally don't like semi-cooperative games much either. However, it also heavily depends on the players if you have people from the if I can't win, I'll tank the game crowd, then they become nigh impossible to win. But I think this game makes a move in the right direction. Because there is no group objective per se. My goal may be get an egg and return to Earth, but I can do this in the hibernation chamber (which means the ship must be functional and heading toward Earth) OR in an escape pod. So I can basically move about the ship on my own and not care much about what the others are doing as long as they're not out to get me.
On the other hand, since the game is rather hard, just killing someone and waiting near an escape pod is much simpler than the objectives that require that common goal. And if everyone is doing a personal goal, then picking the goals that require the ship to return to Earth is a sure way to lose. You can't accomplish that by yourself.
Nice review as always, Tom.
Where would someone go online to purchase this?
www.gandalf.com.pl/p/rebel-gra-nemesis/
Not sure if this interests anyone, but they are having a new kickstarter for this game 😅 I have wanted it, but couldn’t afford what the re-sale value was (almost $100 above what you would pay for it and the new expansions). I also missed the first Kickstarter so I am backing. This Kickstarter is for its expansion, but you can get core box as well.
great review!
I hope they have another printing
Best game I played last year. Tied with lords of Hellas
I wonder why he didnt play full coop and played it more than once or did he?
Can you remove all the traitor cards? Maybe up the difficulty to compensate?
South Park mentioned you
So glad I backed this. Gotta wait until April ‘19 when (language edition) backers get it actually.
Where can I get this game.and where to buy it?
2nd market or late pledge the current crowdfunding campaign until Oct 30th, 2020 gamefound.com/projects/awaken-realms/nemesis-lockdown
Kinda what I expected out of it. I liked it from the very first play through they had on the KS so hopefully not much has changed. But I’m a fan of these hidden agenda type games
Great video
I have noticed a theme with Tom. He does not like random in games. And imo his reviews show it.
What's this "the problem of semi-coop games" exactly? Never heard Tom mention it before, it sounds more like a personal thing.
Tom mentions it every so often.
1st, it's a problem of long-term gaming groups, for example, our gaming group knows each other very well. If someone makes an "ineffective" coop move, he would IMMEDIATLY blow his cover as a traitor, because everyone of us is so well at playing our games.
2nd, you have two winning conditions (win by yourself or win with the group) which exclude each other. if you follow both (to hide), it's harder to win instead of someone who can follow his single goal (coop usually).
@vann tedd Theres is a moment of surprise and betrayal, which is exciting, I give you that. But you make it better count when you blow your cover.
@@Falkdr in a game with hidden objectives (as oppose to pure traitors) ineffective moves can be used also to trick people into thinking you have an objective you don't thus allowing even for gaming groups to play. Also, for me what is annoying is that it is such a random element in a lot of games. You play for 3 hours and game ends, ohh victory ... no someone had a card that sais they win instead .... boring as hell.
@@TodiloDaSloth right, traitor mechanisms are way more annoying than hidden objectives. If the game is really tough, you don't have much room for manoeuvres, though.
@@Falkdr
1. I have played in a long-term gaming group for 20 years and semi-coop can work great if it well designed. Both Dead of Winter and Battlestar Galactica makes it possible to contribute hidden(with cards) to goals, this makes it hard for any one else to know what side you are on. Dead of Winter makes it even better where each one have hidden goals that you could excuse yourself with when doing strange choices. Semi-coop is in a way a type of social deduction mechanic.
2. Follow both as long as it is duable and not to hard, when you reach a crossroad where its to hard to follow both pick then one that you have most chanse to achive.
Who’s here cause of South Park? I am congrats on the feature
Where can you get this if you didn’t back the Kickstarter?
www.gandalf.com.pl/p/rebel-gra-nemesis/
@@mienzillaz is this english or polish?
@@WASDcrazy PL unfortunately
@@mienzillaz do you have any polish shops that would sell english version? :)
@@WASDcrazy not at the moment, i see that UK shops are taking restock orders
i feel like Tom's hat is a preview for the review...
좋은 리뷰!!
I played Horror Arkham and I am ready for this - now only 400 to spare
This is a normal ks review from Vasel. In recent times he is way more cautiois when talking about ks.
I thought it was the roller coaster to see how other people like it
1:30 does the dic tower not like dead of winter?!
I don't think most of the "community" does. It's largely considered "broken"
@@nickrekietascrosseyedwife7166 Can't be hated too much. It's People's Choice #25 selection for Dice Tower's recent Top 100 Games of All Time list.
Wait a second. I've seen this game before but with completely different aliens and look.
It was a playthrough video. In the end one of two people had to sacrifice themselves so the other group could escape. The escape pods where on either side to the ship, but the controls for them were on the opposites.
Either 2 people got off the detonating ship, or one person got off the detonating ship. One way or another, that ship was going to blow up and kill a lot of things.
Maybe that was the prototype version of the game? During the campaign at Kickstarter, AR threw some ideas around and listening to suggestion from their backers, so things might've changed since then
Ah ok.
copy was provided free of charge ?
Why does that matter?
@@WanderingLunatic could give it a better review based on that so tell us up front then so we at least know
It's pretty well known they get most of their review copies for free, and that it has absolutely no bearing on the content of the review.
I can imagine some small channels improving their opinion if they got the game for free - either because they liked getting the game for free or because they think it'll improve their chance of getting new stuff - but this is a professional channel. Nobody is going to not send The Dice Tower games just because they got one negative review, and I doubt Tom cares one way or the other as he has more games to review than hours in the day.
But how does this compare to the boardgame LIFEFORM, the two games seem to rip each other off with very similar set ups and gameplay?
I agree with Tom on 1 point, the game needs more CO/OP missions, truth is the game is hard, so far out of 8 games I managed to survive and win 3 and my wife only once and we only play CO/OP on the easy board. I must say here, that I'm a rule freak and we follow them all, every time I have a doubt about pretty much anything Rulebook > Google, so we play the game as is.
One of my personal victories was a result of my wife dying, thus opening the shuttles on the last turn and I was able to roll lucky enough to roll an intruder in the shuttle bay, I was able to kill it (soldier all out) on it and it died and with my last two cards I entered it and left. (the space jump time track was at 1, self destruct was at 4). EPIC WIN, winning is rewarding.
Another thing to note, if the objective is "Player X must not survive" you might as well play to help the crew, chances are they won't survive anyway, at least from what I've seen so far.
We played this finally the other day and I had a blast... it was so nerve racking... I barely escaped on the escape pod and just wondering if I was contaminated or not... and seeing that I was good to go!! That was fun as hell..
aliens in a box sounds great..i would overlook the title it is something I would try..it leaves me wondering that if it were official if they would keep the gameplay similar or overhaul a few things...either way im Def an Aliens fan and would give this game a play
Did you play legendary encounters the alien version? The gritty comic book style artwork is awesome, but I'm kind of over deckbuilders.
I got the retail version. It didn't come with the sundrop wash (just plain unpainted miniatures). It also didn't come with the solo campaign book. Quite disappointed but the game itself is really fun with 3-4 players.
@ACEL713 I got it from Amazon US
@ACEL713 I think I got mine for 180 USD, though I did pre-order it.
@ACEL713 Aw nice! Awesome!
Tom, a semi-co op that might work for you is AuZtralia.
Actually, I would call AuZtralia "competitive co op".
Best boardgame EVER by lightyears. A new thematic story told with every play through. It just creates the most dramatic scenarios that make this game absolutely an 11/10. For me, it literally is the cream of the crop in every single way imaginable. And community groups out there are wonderful too. This game will be standing all the tests of time, it’s just that good. Slap on some Aliens background music, dim the lights and go blindly wandering into the darkness of the scary as hell corridors of the Nemesis,…
(If Aliens aren’t your bag,… for sure, exit stage left and leave the building 😂)
That is one dark board.
9:22 Are you saying convoluted, Tom?
The one you didn't touch on was the player elimination in this long of a game.
We played our first game recenlty, for 5 hours. And after i think 3 hours, we drew an event card that basically said "if x applies to you, you are dead now". Not even a chance to handle that, but just straight up dead.
We understand that the theme is being upheld here, but that person had to sit around doing nothing for 2 more hours. At least some other people joined the person soon after. They could've started a second game. At the end it was just one person left, who played solo for about half an hour. And everyone was just checked out.
You should use the intruder player optional rule, have the other players out to get you (it's also a massive buffs to the Intruders so keep that in mind)
@@jackroche2065 Yes, the host told us about that once the first person died, but then immediately countered with saying it gibes the intruders a heavy boost, which we REALLY didn't want to deal with. So it is kind of very unhelpful. Yes there is this optional rule to entertain the killed players a bit, by making it even more impossibly hard for the survivors..
@@Kajotex I mean it solves the not being able to play issue
@@jackroche2065 Well, you are right, that it does :)
But not really in a satisfying matter for us. From a gamedesign standpoint player elemination in a very long and hard coop game is not solved by tilting the games difficulty towards the harder end imo, even if it means playing as aliens for the killed players.
You can easily just have that player start as a new character that comes out of hyper sleep.
Looks cool. Reminds me of A L I E N S (has anyone said that yet? lol)
And if you're looking for an ALIEN game, I suggest "Lifeform". It's at the printers now and due to be released by March.
@@bgm-1961 Yes that's what this reminded me of. Designed by Mark Chalpin who designed the Spaghetti Western themed card game Revolver (I found all the expansions 75% off last year) who Europe's White Goblin Games based the asymmetrical mechanism on Mark C's Aliens: This Time It's War P2P BGG card game. (published in North America by Stephen B. at Stronghold Games they of Survive! Escape from Atlantis 30th Annv) I can't imagine how much the ALIEN license would cost. In Mark C.'s BGG designer diary I think they didn't even bother trying. They brainstormed themes and arrived at Revolver. I have no doubt BGG users will have custom cards. I'm in the US but I can tell you the UK has a huge knowledgable ALIENS fan base.
I completely agree with Tom on semi-coop. We'll be playing this strictly coop most of the time, I think.
All the things Tom says that he doesn't like is what I love in games. I love games that are tough, mean, and have depth of theme. I never had a problem with a semicoop game. On the other hand many of the coop op games I find issues with of why is I playing this with a group sense it feels like we are playing it as a single mine. I just got the game the other day and I love it. I just hope it is as difficult, mean and dark to play. Tired of easy friendly stuff. Nemesis can be played coop, semi coop and solo and that is why I love about it.
I hate semi-co-op/traitor games, but as there's a pure co-op mode... this game looks pretty awesome.
I hate full co-op games, you can be sure that in a 3< game there will be at least 1 that is not really playing the game. Some times there is really only 1 that playes the game.
I assume if you wanted to you could just pull all the traitor cards out of the game.
I’m still torn between the new standalone expansion for this or Sheol
New expansion?
Yipes! How can Tom not like Aliens? Its a brillant movie🤗
Why would players not already know the layout of the ship?
Was thinking that also 🙂
The ship has come out of light speed early and the crew have ejected prematurely from the hibernation chamber, a side effect of that is amnesia, or that is what the rule book says.
@@69spagetti wow - that's pretty forced! Still looks like a good game, though.
@@haraggan How is it forced? Short term memory loss can happen a variety of ways. Not really a stretch that it would happen here.
@@haraggan Since you asked the question, do you have a better answer how to fill the plot hole? At least they realized it's a valid question and tried to answer it, rather than make a game where the theme doesn't connect to the gameplay.
Nemesis = Dungeon quest on steroids.
i made an unboxing movie of this great game (CE + Early backers edit)
Love the outfit!!
So dead of winter in space?
My alien miniatures came just default mold grey like the hero's :( yours look way cooler OOB
You could just take out those cards you don't like.
I'm getting mine next month can't wait.
Personally I just love the semi-coop
That makes the game really stressful which is realistic
The fact that the game is hard is fun because you will play more and more trying to beat it
Its gonna feel so good when you finally beat it
I think that the possibility of having a traitor adds to the tension of the game. That said, from what I have seen in the video, Dead of Winter pulled off the traitor objectives much better as objectives like "Kill Player X" are much more confrontational and might not sit well with some players.
I don't think he mentions it but you can't attack a player directly in Nemesis, but you can sabotage his plan or attract the aliens in his direction, etc.
@@Hey_Fab I know you can't. What I meant is that in games like Dead of Winter you don't target a player specifically to fulfill your betrayer goal. Also, in DoW the betrayer accomplishing his/her goal ends the game. In Nemesis (of which I am a backer) the problem is not only you single out another player but, after you eliminated him/her, the game goes on.
Nemesis 10 times better than dead of winter. Nemesis can have multiple people with 90% aligned goals, just each secretly a little different.
southpark says hi
Can u play solo ?
Yes!
i agree the aliens theme is so good, i can't imagine to bring it better to a boardgame (mechanically) than nemesis
I have all the expansions and the other expansions offer a Cthulu space theme and Dead space theme. Very awsome game. My copy is being painted
Watching because who doesnt want to piss Cartman off
My nemesis set came with bland plain gray miniatures....time to paint and wash em I guess
It's definitely "Alien" the board game, not "Aliens" the board game. What I mean is, those movies are quite different and Nemesis is more of a sci-fi/horror than action/sci-fi. Also, I don't trust anyone who doesn't like those movies. :P
My barometer of trust is also based on how much anyone likes Alien, Aliens (and Alien Isolation) - all three are masterpieces and also where the Alien franchise begins and ends for me. I'm yet to buy Nemesis but it does look like the best 'Alien' game, even though it's not a part of the franchise.
I found this game and this channel through South Park lol
Seems similar to Space Hulk but way more fiddly.
Having played both, this isn't at all like Space Hulk. In Space Hulk, you are really trying to fight the aliens directly. In Nemesis, combat with the aliens is usually rather disastrous. Also, Space Hulk is only a two player game.
Here from South Park
U and 100 thousand other people lol
Me tooooo!!!!!! Glad I found this. The only other sci-fi game I own is starcadia quest. Was looking for a campaign game on a sci-fi setting.
Lol, he says he likes it but it was clear there was a LOT of hesitation.
The game is one of the best ever! Created by the Polish. Poland also created The Witcher video game.
America got porn and burgers so there. Lmao. Jkn
How's it feel to be South Parky?
This video seems convooted.
I came here bc of South Park
felt a little *convooted*