5 reasons to disregard everything said in this video. 1. It’s Nemesis 2. If you don’t own any Nemesis you need to own some Nemesis 3. If you already own Nemesis you simply need more Nemesis 4. Your grandma, aunt, uncle and dog need to own a copy of Nemesis 5. If you do nothing but look at the box cover of your copy you got your moneys worth because it’s Nemesis.
The campaign ended earlier this month so no more pledges until the Pledge Manager opens up. The PM should open within about 3 months to where late pledges can be made. So check back in with Gamefound around March next year and you should be able to make a late pledge. @@olumarkfatungase7556
@@rogadip I don't ever think it's fair to just dump on a game without providing the reasons why someone is excited, and I'm excited about this game so I would be being disingenuous if I just made a video for the sole purpose of being contrary.
In consideration of your 5 reasons, maybe this is a branch from the Nemesis tree for newcomers; 5. Too much coop - I could see people coming from the older Nemesis games might not like that, I'm coming from Zombicide :P 4. Oxygen management - My immediate thought was to ignore it, anything oxygen related, redraw. When playing Zombicide, we'd add our own modifiers to keep things interesting, maybe we don't want to play with the Orc Horde or maybe we add in Murder of Crows or introduce animal companions. My favorite was finding a bottle of water and canned food, they only give 1xp if discarded, instead we would combine them to restore 1hp 3. Extras - I don't own any previous Nemesis but played a couple rounds of the first game and plan on painting these bad bois, current hyper-focus. Didn't get the Sundrop, it'd be another $75 AUD that'll take a few minutes to do. 2. Why Retaliation - Huge fan of Riddley Scott's Aliens, Nemesis reminded me of Alien (sneak gameplay), Lockdown reminded me of Alien 3 (never played it, but seemed like a similar playstyle but in a building), Retaliation looks like Aliens. Game over man, game over! - 10/10 movie 1. Does not apply to me as it's my first Nemesis game with only a couple rounds of the OG in the last 3 years. Great video, I enjoyed the insight and comparisons
Regarding oxygen, I saw a very cool proposal to change the way this mechanic works, in the comments on Gamefound - replace the death of a character (when the oxygen runs out) with an infection card, possibly with a serious wound, which is thematically more justified, since there is air at the base, but it is infected.
Oxygen is there to balance out the secure corridors. Securing is super powerful and most of the plays I'm seeing are a bit easy so far, with not that many aliens. So its to put some kind of pressure to get tanks or the oxygen turned on. Otherwise players will take their time and secure everything and then games get quite easy and samey. Overall, I think the game needs more aliens out- the tension in the playthroughs so far are quite light, with several just steam rolling the queen, uncovering the objective, and then heading out.
I don't think "Nemesis Lockdown" is an iteration. It feels more like a more complex variant that tries out the bottom of the barrel of mechanics for a Nemesis game (that's similar to the original). Also, the Lockdown Aliens came out pretty bad. The original is better. Better Aliens, better scenario.
Great video. Thanks. I've pretty much found a way to avoid FOMO in the last year - which is not easy - but lately I have been able to pull myself away from it. Trust me, it can be done and you may not even notice what you are lacking after a few months... (To be honest, it takes so long for crowdsourcing products to arrive, I generally forget what was in the original campaign long before the game arrives anyway.) I've learned that it's worse to have a shelf of shame after purchasing bloat that never gets played rather than regretting what I could have gotten.) FYI, I have all-in's on Nemesis AND Lockdown (minus all the alternative sculpts and cats which are ridiculously not needed.) I am heavily leaning toward either not getting Retaliation at all, or most probably getting the Standee basic version which is a great price for all the game content it offers. I may not even use the standees in that I have many mini alien races from the previous 2 games (how many races do I have already?) and tons of mini characters that can substitute onto the boardgame for that full visual impact. (Does it REALLY matter if I use the new Queen in Retaliation or just the Intruder Queen and her brood ... after all, it is the cards that drive the plastic around.) So, just the standee version driven by all the plastic and terrain I already own should be more than enough for my personal tastes.
Too late my friend, I already got Collectors pledge 😅 On top of that I purchased Aftermath and Medic too! I love original Nemesis and I can't wait to play it with new characters! Also those doors from terrain pack will be used for original Nemesis too 😊
I did not even like the first two and yet for some weird reason this one was calling to me, something about this one feels different and fresh ... the exploration looked intriguing and I am a sucker for tile exploration in board games ... so yeah despite all the logic and past experiences telling me not to back it... I also went for a collector pledge!
You bring up some really good points here. If we're being honest, I'm still gonna order the game anyway, but some parts of the campaign itself did kind of rub me the wrong way. Specifically, the acrylic pack should not have been a separate purchase imo. Or they should've at least made it a part of the Special edition stretch goal. From what I've seen thus far (they still haven't revealed day 7 stretch goal yet), all these add-ons (acrylic pack, terrain pack) could've easily made a part of the stretch goal. I don't mind giving them a few extra bucks, you can tell they've done a pretty solid job, but I gotta admit that it does feel like a last-minute cash grab. Just yesterday (day 5 goal was released) they revealed this space cat cube to be a part of the stretch goal, along with some malfunction tokens. Completely irrelevant to the game imo. And you're right, most of the time you won't even play the extra races. I played the fungi race once I think, didn't really do much and haven't touched them since. Total waste of space. If it weren't for the doors and the rover mini, as well as the comic book, I never would've purchased it in the first place. Speaking of minis, there's this thing they do with the queen mini that almost feels...dare I say, intentional. Apart from the original iteration, which was dope, all the Queen minis are designed in a way that you want them to be replaced by the alternate version. They did it in lockdown, and now they do it again. It's not a big deal and, like I said, I'll still get it anyway, I just wish they wouldn't make you pay for all these things that could've been handled differently to achieve greater customer satisfaction in the long run. I mean, I get where it's coming from, at the end of the day they do this for the coins, it's just that this type of marketing always gives the icky feeling.
For me its always the same reasons and do back 2 games per year of 30ish I want to back: - do I want to spend money for something I get in 18+ months? - do I want to get so much material? I feel burdened by possession - Will I play it 10+ times? (There are so few games where I did, and only 2 were from crowdfunding. - Is it a better thing than the game I didnt back 1 month ago, or is it because i didnt get the other game? - Is it gonna be fiddly or a lot of reading?
Never played any of them, I’ll get the trilogy, try all of them out, then keep the one I like most and sell the other two :p still cheaper for me this way than buying them in retail
This is a great video. The Terrain pack for original Nemesis is like $60, just for some minis of things like doors and corpses. For $60, you can get some really great entire board games! It's good to be reminded to think about value. I have Nemesis and it does what I want. I don't feel compelled to get Lockdown or Annihilation and use more shelf space, and I definitely can't be convinced to invest in a game I won't see for 2 years.
I'm in the minority that likes OG better than Lockdown. I own the 1st, and I'm going to give this one a shot (while hating myself for doing so, of course), but only 1 will stay. I'm hoping that this one being more action oriented makes up for the lack of dread of the original - that this doesn't end up just feeling like a dungeon crawl. I have Deep Rock Galactic for that. It looks cool. But I could see a world in which it ends up not being worth it. Only one way to find out, I guess.
i only need one reason for not backing it: Shiping/VAT. i will get the game from a retailer in 2 years MAYBE. i have nemesis and lockdown and that is already a lot of aliens to play with. if im feed up in 2 years and want some new aliens to kill i may get the game way cheaper from a local retailer. and i also dont like to pay 2 years in advance for a game i may or may not get. with all the kickstarter hustle lately im not so eager to find out.
I'm glad AR decided to increase the size of the player characters back to 28mm. We also use to mini's in other games and it would look silly otherwise. I also paint them and going smaller makes it a bit to hard to paint them The scale of the Intruders are not a problem. I die meet the AR staff at SPIEL in Essen this year and when they explained the gameplay I was hooked again and I could be Zack's brother because I have every Nemesis product myself
tbh, the original intruder minis were way big. They were already scary enough, there was no need to make them as big but whatever. I'm just glad they listened to reason and didn't stick with the smaller minis of the main characters. That would've made the game incompatible with the previous iterations.
You're too late Chris! You're too late. I've already backed. And I went collectors edition. I've been waiting for this campaign to jump into Nemesis. And I did it. I went all-in. All the way all-in. Each of your 5 reasons just made me back harder. All I heard was 5 reasons TO back. And how awesome this game is. So good job. Thanks a lot. I love you.
Some words of awareness to people overall involved in backing boardgames: I also like that they offer an standee version. Imho for me the advantages are: - the sick artwork on the standees is hard to top with a mini paint job (especially one
Between this and DCEASED, my wallet is crying. I can't believe they've added all the things available in the previous campaigns for such a great price point. I am literally tempted to buy one of the previous versions even though I already have the OG game. The prices are incredible - either of the older games + its stretch goals together are cheaper than a base game on its own in retail in my country. And that's with added shipping and VAT. I could literally sell the game I own for the price of a pledge, if not more, to cover the same version + addons for it. I am just not sure whether I want to start flipping games for profit, it kind of defeats the entire purpose of the hobby. What are your thoughts?
I have two videos on board game speculation and reselling if you want my full thoughts on it all. If you can sell it to get extra here, you could potentially justify that by allowing someone to have the game earlier. For me, I think selling is fine, but I try and not over do it or personally purchase things with the intent of selling them down the line, because I agree it feels a bit slimey. But getting the upgrades for your game is also an option - chances are if you sell it you're dealing with someone who that extra cost is worth it to them having it now or they could just do the same and order it from this campaign
Disagree about the prices. Add shipping of 30€ and 20% VAT on top and the retail prices for some of those boxes are essentially identical, just minus the risk and minus the wait time (Oct 2024 for the old stuff). Your calculations are completely off if you compare prices of retail including shipping and including shipping vs gamefound excluding 20% vat and excluding around 20% shipping.
Wanted to watch this video, got bored after five minutes and said f*ck it we dont need listen to this at all. ITS NEMESIS! NEMESIS! ALWAYS NEED MORE NEMESIS! And backed it all :D
Reason 5: Both agree and disagree (gameplay leaning further towards coop than semi-coop): - In comparison with the Original Nemesis, the two objectives a player holds mean they could win with/neutral/without you for both objectives. - Having 1 Global Objective and 1 Personal Objective means that a player (willing to win) wants to win either with/neutral (global objective) or neutral/without you (personal). Therefore, trust uncertainty may be lower for Nemesis : Retaliation. In other words, analysing wether a player is with/without you may be easier. However, players are still free to choose between the two and lie about it until the very end. As for the "loss of interesting features in Objectives", that's a maybe until the full content is unchanged (stretch goals + expansion). Reason 4 : Rather disagree. Major changes to Intruder combat have been made. Particularly, all of the Crew Characters are definitely stronger than in Nemesis 1 and 2. The oxygen mechanism aims to balance that out and add another layer of realism and immersion to the game. Imagine if they were to remove that feature completely, would the game be as challenging and as fun? Ressource management is therefore crucial for survival. Going back to start would be the very last option up your sleeve, and it is highly unlikely for a player to run all the way back to start for Oxygen without triggering any Intruder combat in the process. Reason 3 : I do agree, but half of this statement is specifically oriented towards "Why you shouldn't back Nemesis : Retaliation COLLECTOR'S PLEDGE". However, I do agree that most additional content leans towards aesthetics which speaks of itself : aesthetics. It's up to the customer to decide. The rest of the comments are personal opinions and may/may not apply for everyone. Reason 2 : I do agree, but again comments are mostly personal opinions. Reason 1 : It's a maybe. As mentionned earlier, Nemesis and Nemesis Lockdown are really similar. In comparison, Retaliation has been modified way more than Nemesis and Nemesis Lockdown combined. Is it necessary to possess all three games? Almost definitely not. Reason 0 : I do agree that no rulebook yet is quite dissapointing and may be considered if you are still unsure wether to buy the game or not. It's harder to observe the differences in gameplay without a rulebook.
If you prefer Alien to Aliens, yeah, you shouldn't back this one, you can just buy Nemesis retail. As for me, I already got Nemesis, have no plans to get Lockdown, but will get probably get a retail version of Retaliation. (I think Alien 3 is subpar, Aliens is great and Alien is the best of the franchise).
The Michael Burry of the board game industry strikes again! Thank you for keeping me away from Retaliation, and for saving me a great amount of money with this video.
Why is it that even though I searched the last two weeks for just such a video, it only pops up immediately after the campaign ends? I was looking for a reason not to back, wrestling with FOMO but I kept rationalizing the smaller payments of my over $300 pledge. At first I didn't want the extra races but then I liked the aspect of the vampire race being able to move through doors and the other race having a neutral chaotic characteristic where they fight or help. And yes I did add the constructs and terrain and that's where I should've stopped. Well, I guess I could ask for a refund...but I'll waver yet again right before your eyes. I only just recently played the first game and my friend and I had a heck of a time trying to keep up. He said he would sometime like to try it again but it was an overwhelming task even though I'd spent a good amount of time reading the rules and watching videos days ahead. So, here I am punishing myself with more.
I've never played Nemesis, and only learned of the Franchise through Gamefound. This video seems to just address if Retaliation is worth getting if you have one of the previos games. Not what kind of gamers would like Nemesis if they've never played it.
I was half listening when I started your video... Your what "She said joke" came in so fast and muttered quickly that I almost missed it. I couldn't stop laughing out loud... well played sir, well played.
Congrats, this whole video failed to provide me with a single reason not to back this game, instead it just highlighted all the cool stuff about the game. Sigh ... *clicks back button*
Altho its problaby a good game, my OG Nemesis stands like a painting in my glass cabin, with painted miniatures showcased. Only played this game three times in two years. And while i like looking at it, i wont buy another painting.
Here's my actual thoughts: I haven't played either prior Nemesis game but have definitely heard all of the hype. The thing that excited me the most was people saying it was the "best Alien game ever made" whereas this one seems like like Aliens than Alien. And I'm more interested in a game where I have to cooperate with friends to run in terror and complete tasks and escape than a game where we all run in guns blazing and blow up aliens. Should I just get Lockdown instead?
Nemesis (original) is the closest to the Alien theme. The crew are better equipped than in Alien, and they're all attempting to accomplish their own goals. Working together is usually because it's mutually beneficial rather than the cooperating to survive. (Nemesis does have a cooperative mode, but I think it's a lot less interesting.) For me, Nemesis reminds me of Alien Resurrection. You have a group of disparate characters that are equipped with some firearms which are pursing their own goals with a bunch of aliens running around. Lockdown is a more mechanism heavy game that shifts away from the Alien theme. While not a perfect comparison, many people have compared it to the movie Pitch Black. And, I can see how that fits with how much light nerfs the aliens. But, it's kind of like Pitch Black, in a base, where everyone has guns.
Okay, follow-up question then for everybody recommending the original over Lockdown - aren't there gameplay improvements in Lockdown? Quality of Life stuff that make it more fun and engaging?
Haha I don't see it crossing 1 mill in time but I'll cover it in Crowdfunding Countdown for sure. I own the original FCM and I think that's a way better decision if the gameplay interests you, I think the minis will make it less useable and the base game is still available from their store for 50 percent of the price
I wish there had been a Standee version of the first game. I already had all the Aliens from the Prodos AvP game, which stand in almost perfectly for the Intruders.
I can see myself buying this, but I'll wait for the retail because I intend to get the standee version. This will let me wait and hear how the solo mode is, since I'm solo only, and let me find out how big the game is, as my table is a 33" square card table, and in a quick scan of the page and a check of the mat, I found no dimensions. Seriously, no dimensions for the mat?
I don’t know if you’ve played the original or Lockdown solo, but they’re just OK, and sometimes not even OK, but pretty lame. I only play them solo before I have to teach it, so the rules are fresh in my head again. The best parts of this game are playing with hidden objectives and what happens because of that. Taking that away makes it a game with nothing special, and you can get much better solo games for the $.
@@timparks9833 100% - What makes the game stand out are the player interactions and hidden objectives. When you take that away, it's a lesser experience.
@@timparks9833 I haven't played them, so thanks for the insights. I have heard this and so haven't even been interested in the previous versions. It's people reporting that there seems to not be the same sort of treachery in this version that makes me think there's a possibility they'll have tried to make it interesting in other ways
I actually actually like smaller alien minis. The big minis in nemesis look great but feels a bit weird having the characters in a different scale. Dont think ill back because for how much i play just original is enough, i am using this oportunity to get aftermath and untold stories though to broaden my original nemesis experience
The biggest reason why I would advise people not to get ANY Nemesis game is one you haven't mentioned in this video. These games have a solid basic rule set (5 cards = up to 2 actions and pay in action points) but an absurdly high administrative element to gameplay. Remember how combat works? No? Check the rulebook. What about the Infection tokens? Check the rulebook. Enemy tokens? Rulebook. Noise tokens, oxygen rules or energy generator, injuries, elevator + movement... always the rulebook. It's fine if you've got someone that has a brain for that in your group but the amount of minutia you have to remember is silly compared to an equally thematic game such as Cthulhu: Death May Die. Don't mistake me, I'm backing it as the downsides are compensated by the story elements of your gameplay session because AR leans on the side of "just go with your feelings on these rules and don't sweat it too much". That's probably why they don't have a rulebook.
That's a good point. The original game also didn't organize the rules well which made it hard to find the right section to answer your question. However, Esoteric Order of Gamers has fantastic player aids for the games. That cuts down the referencing to a quick look at player aid that takes up half a sheet of paper. Additionally, I think there's a lot more replayability to Nemesis over Death May Die. Nemesis has the hidden objectives which make every player's actions questionable. Death May Die has 2 (maybe 3) plays of each scenario before you're done with it. The Elder Gods don't change up the scenarios enough to really make a scenario feel different. And, the bigger downside is that the investigators all feel pretty same-y. There's a lot of variability, but not a lot of variety. And, I'm not saying it's a bad game. It's a great dice-chucker. It's just lacking a strong hook in the gameplay like Nemesis has.
Yeah, rules complexity is a no-go for someone. Also, the situation will be significantly complicated by the fact that between parts the same actions are interpreted in completely opposite ways, such as the rule for rolling for noise in the new version, where you must roll a noise die even if you move into a room with another character, while in the two current parts you don't. I have never seen a walkthrough on RUclips where the players did everything according to the rules.
Such a good video. Your point about most extras being minimal even for a fan of the games is so spot on. I love nemesis original and the theme of the ship...I don't have that power fantasy of Aliens gun blasting...but if it is a meatier zombicide, has good tactics and twists...I could love Retaliation. Need to pay attention and rewatch the playthroughs. They were having fun but I'm still waiting to be sucked in. STALKER put me off but Retaliation seems to have good bones at least, if the O2 etc is good stressful and not annoying. I like playmats, but this one is too Matrixy. I think a space themed general one would be the better direction, but idk if im finding it yet...not like there's a rush.
I really just want the minis to paint. I have a hard time backing more of the game, since I don’t feel like the game needs an upgrade. The semi-coop already makes it feel like a different game every time I play, so I don’t really need a different game. I love painting these minis though, and I’m tempted to back just for them. Whoever sculpts these knows how to sculpt for a painter.
We LOVE Nemesis Lockdown, and I KNOW this will be an upgrade and will be more action-oriented . For me AW has been knocking out of the park lately. Already pledged the minis edition and got the acrylic upgrade, will see if I upgrade it further, but either way will be amazing. Edit - After watching the video I decided to add the playmat as well , since it`ll be a very nice addition and will be useful, as the "map" won`t be on bare table :D
@@lucadelmagno7007 The fact that there are Ranks and you can issue/ignore orders makes me think there will be betrayals as well, BUT even if it isn`t as much as Lockdown - we do still have it as well
I prefer zombicide invader darkside. Better action, loot, level up skills, various types of monsters, movie characters you can play, Quicker game. Worth checking out all, before you guys commit
This is a good video. I backed the first Nemesis all in and exactly like you said I've never touched most of the extra stuff. I've never used Carnomorphs or Voidseeders, I've never played Aftermath. The extra characters in Aftermath are good but I don't think I've ever used them. The main drive for my friends playing Nemesis is the semi-co-op element, all the memorable experiences and the things we remember are when you someone got trapped in a room with the Queen by someone,etc. The Oxygen mechanic here seems like it works thematically, but will probably be broken in terms of gameplay. The lack of gameplay and rulebook is a big red flag.
Wait... I thought you was supposed to convince me not to purchase 😂. 5:50 in and you caused me to back it already 😂... Damn, my unresponsible purchases...
I feel like you don't exactly get what an art book is, and who it's for. I don't know about Nemesis specifically (I still have to get into the game, I'll get the original Nemesis when the pledge manager will be active), but an art book done correctly is not a collection of art you've already seen in the thing they reference. Like, an art book for a film is not a series of screen shots of the film. It's the concept art by the art director, the storyboards, the everything that went through the art department and was used to make the film. It's stuff you have NOT seen. For instance, I imagine a Nemesis art book will have the preparatory sketches and the concept artwork for the miniatures, which the sculptors used to create them, and so on. As for the target for such a thing (aside from a fan who wants everything/wants to support the creators more - that's definitely a reason, probably the main reason, why the art book exists to begin with), I'd say it's people who care about artwork, and maybe do artwork themselves, more than gamers per se. Ideally, a Nemesis gamer who also care about artwork. The overlap might not be huge, but I agree that an art book is not something very costly to produce, all the materials I mentioned already exist somewhere in some designer and/or artist's hard disk (although they have to be edited and organized into a print layout), so it's become a low-hanging fruit where production add-ons are concerned. It's wrong to compare it to extra game components, though. An art book is something you want _aside from_ the game, just because you're a fan of the game and/or an art enthusiast, and not to enhance your enjoyment of the game. It's not part of the game, it's _about_ the game. Like, your video is not part of the game, but people who are interested in the game watch it, no?
i definitely agree with you all that cool extra stuff, is completely unnesscary for most people. unless you are a super fan and have a group of friends who come over a lot of the time to play then go ahead and get it to make the experience more immersive (at least as immersive as board games can get). i still want it because it sounds more on the coop side vs semi coop side. my friends and I prefer working together and not have to worry about back stabbing, especially if they were still learning the game. We tried the semi coop but no one likes screwing over someone else. I do see the appeal of semi coop but it feels so much better when we all succeed at the end or at least help get one player to survive at the end. You make a lot of great reasons for people to keep in mind. However I'm sure most of us are still getting this despite that.
Hey Chris, did you have a look at Kelp yet? I am not sure it will reach the Million $ mark, but it's getting closer. I watched some gameplay and am really intrigued by it, so a 5 reason I should not back would definitely help!
Always watch the reasons not to buy another game as the shelf is starting to tumble over. But, what I want to stress out that it is crowdfunding (referring to reason 0) where you back the creator by helping them get their product out to the market > you are not buying it (yes, it does feel like a play of words and maybe the meaning has eroded a bit and it feels like you are buying), you are making a pledge to support the creator. Keep it up!
You've convinced me...not to get Nemesis Retaliation. Instead, after not getting it for years and resisting, I'm just finally going to get the original Nemesis, with many (but not all!) of the bells and whistles. Oops...oh well :P
I have the first two and was TOTALLY NOT getting this. But the value, man. Shipping to Canada is ... reasonable?! (wha..?) and the price of the minis version is decent. Really really hard to say no. Damn - I'm not doing so good on reducing my board game purchases.
After some campaigns recently for me, this was an easy decision to skip. I don't have any other Nemesis stuff. I mostly play games solo, and while the solo modes for the past two Nemesis games seem fine, they don't seem great. From watching playthroughs, the games seem to really shine in that semi co-op space. If I had a regular group to play this with, I'd definitely be much more interested. That said, I was pleasantly surprised by the pricing on this. (A big change after seeing the crazy prices for the Food Chain Magnate campaign!) The standee pledge seems like an amazing deal, and the deal for the full trilogy also seems like an amazing deal (so much so that I was starting to get FOMO feelings even though I know that these aren't really the games for me). And lastly - Tamashii is an amazing game!! D: D: D:
Likely a bunch cheaper in retail after shipping & VAT and I'm fine with standees with this game if I only end up paying like 50 - 60 €. Likely won't need the SGs, I don't know how much f. e. another alien race would add to this experience, but I'll wait and see until they are all revealed if they are worth it.
I just sold my original Nemesis base game painted to fund my purchase of a new original copy and retaliation with all the goodies. I love it when publishers offer "old" games in the current game development as a painter.
I don't know. I mean. I'm not for minis in a non-mini game. ISS Vanguard is a perfect example being narrative and I wish it was ALL standees (or acrylic) to save money. But Retaliation is like a Dungeon Crawl horde type game, where minis are more justified. I hate how the "terrain pack" has minis as well. And I feel if you're going all minis, you have to get minis for the eggs, aircraft, etc. I don't like it's an additional $39. I do wish at least the eggs were with the other aliens. Since it's technically an alien mini. I'm also not a fan that I have to pay an additional $9 for the cooler queen because they wanted a female fatale demon queen in the core game. It does look fun. My only grip is will it get old without enough scenarios. I can easily do something myself for sun drop that's quicker and better.
Feels weird being on the same side in both liking this game. You and me usually don't have the same taste on games... Feels odd...feels unnatural Haha glad you like nemesis too
there is another bad reason , that they will add paid gameplay addons that will make the game more expensive to get. This actually pushed me hard from Stalker as some of them were very expensive and important in the gameplay but the components were only some cards in some of them. Still I'm convinced to get this as I love nemesis but I don't own any game, and the only exception that will make me reconsider is the game lacking a lot of characters (they mentioned one of the addons will be the old characters so you won't have to get the other games). Lack of characters is what made me skip lockdown (even if the characters were a lot better). I'm scared too about the game being less semicoop, but I've read all the objetives and there still a lot of killing your teammates, but maybe being able to choose your objetive when you want will make you betray less overall. About the changes, this game feels more streamlined and give you more control, but the game lacks a lot of mechanics that I usually not used like aliens weakness and crafting..., I feel that the design space for having more characters that are not combat based is more limited because of that.
Imagine judging an entire game based on one small detail that you clearly don't know anything about. They actually made the locking connectors more robust specifically to ensure they would last longer
@@OhSixy I have the same opinion - not a fan of the tiles setup and it gives it more of a classic dungeon crawler feel which I personally find unnecessary. I'd prefer differently designed Nemesis spacecrafts that you simply buy in playmat form which have different paths - just like how the original Nemesis board has two backs. If you don't like like jigsaw-esque nature of this, then looking at how they made the locking aspect durable wouldn't suddenly make this a fun experience.
fair enough! I didn't back the game because its insanely expensive and players can be eliminated very early, and be forced to sit and do nothing for several hours. no thanks@@pjaw8226
@@patrickblue7024where should I be able to find that on KS and GF then? Think I have never seen it. Only a better described Gameplay on their page than AR does. I did back Dragon Eclipse though, more for a fear of FOMO, since not everything will come in retail in the NL.
My top five reasons for not backing Nemesis Retaliation: ISS Vanguard Tainted Grail - 1&2 Sleeping Gods Etherfields Aeon Trespass: Odyssey All on the way....
Too late, already backed! My justification is that I do love Nemesis and I play the current 2 iterations on a regular basis. Also, I dropped my £400 Secrets of the Lost Tomb pledge in favour of Retaliation. With the oxygen mechanic, you can carry extra and the robots carry supplies. I can't remember how it worked in Deep Madness and it didn't stay in my collection?
I have everything for Nemesis and lockdown....I've never played an expansion for Nemesis or even started Lockdown😂. Naturally I'll be all in on this and not playing 90% of the content on offer and buying expensive storage solutions😱
Question first; Should we get all 3 games, for those that don't have any of it? What can be shared between the 3 different games, if anything? Do people that have the first 2 games play both of them or is one always on the shelf because the other is more their cup of tea? I haven't played or bought Nemesis or Nemesis Lockdown. I've read some people love one or the other, but usually not both. So: #5: I prefer coop and solo games over traitor/pvp games. I wish they made this more of a dungeon crawler/mission oriented in the "Aliens" universe. #4: Survival mechanics are kind of blah. I don't know if I'll like this part of the game either. #3: I love minis. Painting them and seeing them on table. Also prefer neoprene playmats. #2: I love the Alien IP, but I missed the prior campaigns and then retail didn't seem like a good deal. #1: This answered my last question above, sort of...If nothing can be shared between the games, then I'd probably only play "Retailiation."
I would get Retaliation and either Nemesis or Lockdown. Some people prefer Nemesis (it's less fiddly and more thematic) and others prefer Lockdown (because there's more mechanisms to play with). With Nemesis and Lockdown, it's a mish-mash of what's compatible... - Nemesis + Lockdown and I think the Lockdown aliens to be compatible with Nemesis. Some Nemesis heroes are compatible with Lockdown. No Lockdown heroes are compatible with Nemesis. - If you add the Lockdown Stretch Goals, then that makes all the aliens compatible between all the games. It makes all the heroes for Nemesis (including the Aftermath ones) compatible with Lockdown. There is no backwards compatibility for the heroes. However, the cross-compatibility is cludgy. - For some heroes you take their Nemesis deck and swap bits of their equipment. Some you entirely replace their deck. If it's not a character that directly transitions, it's just not worth it. - For the aliens it's a mish-mash. For example, the Lockdown aliens have a half-assed rule to treat the Nemesis ship as always dark. I believe the aliens porting forward to Lockdown (with the Stretch Goals box) all get a new deck to use. AR have indicated that some heroes will be forward compatible into Retaliation. I hope that's as far as they go with the cross-compatibility, because from past experience it doesn't seem to be well thought out or designed. But, they caved to fans to make content compatible with Retaliation. It's quite possible they'll cave to fans again. I play Nemesis 9 out of 10 times over Lockdown. It's a more thematic experience. It's much better aesthetically. Plus, I think the Lockdown version sucks a lot of the tension out of the game with the lights mechanism which makes the game easier. There's some mechanisms I like from Lockdown, and that's about the only reason I keep it. It's likely something I'll be selling though. #5 - I wouldn't get either Nemesis or Lockdown for co-op or solo. It has those modes if you want them. But, I feel like you rob the game of what makes it magic if you do. #4 - It's not survival grind. This isn't Tainted Grail or 7th Continent nonsense. It's more moving around the ship in pursuit of your goal, scavenging what you can to improve your chances, and avoiding combat where possible. The Retaliation O2 is a mechanism that looks a bit more like fiddly, survival nonsense. #3 - Nemesis has really good minis. Lockdown has stupid looking minis. Retaliation has OK looking minis. The softer plastic Awaken Realms uses for their games plus the reduction in alien size could also result in the Retaliation minis looking less good. #2 - Nemesis is very on brand with the Aliens IP. Carnomorphs are kind of The Thing-ish. Voidseeders are more the typical Grey aliens. Lockdown I guess is Pitch Black, but it's thematically a mess. Retaliation looks like a return to the Aliens IP. #1 So far, there's very little that's cross-compatible.
That was the worst attempt of talking me out of buying a game I have ever seen from you, I play only fully coop anyway because betraying someone in Nemesis is wayy too easy and there is too less reward or an interesting challenge for choosing more cooperative goals (like for example, save at least someone else so people believe your story later or something like this would be cool)... but thanks for trying. I waited for this video before buying the game xD
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5 reasons to disregard everything said in this video.
1. It’s Nemesis
2. If you don’t own any Nemesis you need to own some Nemesis
3. If you already own Nemesis you simply need more Nemesis
4. Your grandma, aunt, uncle and dog need to own a copy of Nemesis
5. If you do nothing but look at the box cover of your copy you got your moneys worth because it’s Nemesis.
You missed the point of the video.
NEHHHHH!MAHHHHHH!SEZZZZZZZZ!!!!
If you like this kind of game you should try arkham horror JCE. Next step ;) I'm doing the reverse way myself :p
Shame the website no longer allows pledges - does anyone know why?
The campaign ended earlier this month so no more pledges until the Pledge Manager opens up. The PM should open within about 3 months to where late pledges can be made. So check back in with Gamefound around March next year and you should be able to make a late pledge. @@olumarkfatungase7556
5 reasons not to back… spends first 10 minutes convincing me to back 😂
Haha you and me both!
Honestly it was annoying because I wanted to hear the reasons, instead it's a sales pitch. But the rest of the video was great with unique reasons.
@@rogadip I don't ever think it's fair to just dump on a game without providing the reasons why someone is excited, and I'm excited about this game so I would be being disingenuous if I just made a video for the sole purpose of being contrary.
LMAO
The worst thing about semi-co-op games is when you are playing solo, and still get surprised by a betrayal.
AHAHHAHHAAHAHA
"Curse my sudden but inevitable betrayal!"
In consideration of your 5 reasons, maybe this is a branch from the Nemesis tree for newcomers;
5. Too much coop - I could see people coming from the older Nemesis games might not like that, I'm coming from Zombicide :P
4. Oxygen management - My immediate thought was to ignore it, anything oxygen related, redraw.
When playing Zombicide, we'd add our own modifiers to keep things interesting, maybe we don't want to play with the Orc Horde or maybe we add in Murder of Crows or introduce animal companions. My favorite was finding a bottle of water and canned food, they only give 1xp if discarded, instead we would combine them to restore 1hp
3. Extras - I don't own any previous Nemesis but played a couple rounds of the first game and plan on painting these bad bois, current hyper-focus. Didn't get the Sundrop, it'd be another $75 AUD that'll take a few minutes to do.
2. Why Retaliation - Huge fan of Riddley Scott's Aliens, Nemesis reminded me of Alien (sneak gameplay), Lockdown reminded me of Alien 3 (never played it, but seemed like a similar playstyle but in a building), Retaliation looks like Aliens. Game over man, game over! - 10/10 movie
1. Does not apply to me as it's my first Nemesis game with only a couple rounds of the OG in the last 3 years.
Great video, I enjoyed the insight and comparisons
Regarding oxygen, I saw a very cool proposal to change the way this mechanic works, in the comments on Gamefound - replace the death of a character (when the oxygen runs out) with an infection card, possibly with a serious wound, which is thematically more justified, since there is air at the base, but it is infected.
Oxygen is there to balance out the secure corridors. Securing is super powerful and most of the plays I'm seeing are a bit easy so far, with not that many aliens. So its to put some kind of pressure to get tanks or the oxygen turned on. Otherwise players will take their time and secure everything and then games get quite easy and samey. Overall, I think the game needs more aliens out- the tension in the playthroughs so far are quite light, with several just steam rolling the queen, uncovering the objective, and then heading out.
I don't think "Nemesis Lockdown" is an iteration. It feels more like a more complex variant that tries out the bottom of the barrel of mechanics for a Nemesis game (that's similar to the original). Also, the Lockdown Aliens came out pretty bad.
The original is better. Better Aliens, better scenario.
Awesome video. Convinced me what I needed and what I actually just wanted.
Went all in sundrop 🤦🏼♂️
Ok. Fine. I hear you loud and clear. Upgraded to the mini pledge.
(Thanks for the video, I’m excited for this one)
Great video. Thanks. I've pretty much found a way to avoid FOMO in the last year - which is not easy - but lately I have been able to pull myself away from it. Trust me, it can be done and you may not even notice what you are lacking after a few months... (To be honest, it takes so long for crowdsourcing products to arrive, I generally forget what was in the original campaign long before the game arrives anyway.) I've learned that it's worse to have a shelf of shame after purchasing bloat that never gets played rather than regretting what I could have gotten.) FYI, I have all-in's on Nemesis AND Lockdown (minus all the alternative sculpts and cats which are ridiculously not needed.)
I am heavily leaning toward either not getting Retaliation at all, or most probably getting the Standee basic version which is a great price for all the game content it offers. I may not even use the standees in that I have many mini alien races from the previous 2 games (how many races do I have already?) and tons of mini characters that can substitute onto the boardgame for that full visual impact. (Does it REALLY matter if I use the new Queen in Retaliation or just the Intruder Queen and her brood ... after all, it is the cards that drive the plastic around.) So, just the standee version driven by all the plastic and terrain I already own should be more than enough for my personal tastes.
Too late my friend, I already got Collectors pledge 😅 On top of that I purchased Aftermath and Medic too! I love original Nemesis and I can't wait to play it with new characters! Also those doors from terrain pack will be used for original Nemesis too 😊
Twinsies
I did not even like the first two and yet for some weird reason this one was calling to me, something about this one feels different and fresh ... the exploration looked intriguing and I am a sucker for tile exploration in board games ... so yeah despite all the logic and past experiences telling me not to back it... I also went for a collector pledge!
Thought about it briefly. I feel I need to KNOW someone that owns Nemesis but not actually own it myself. Sort of like a boat and a pool 🤣😂.
You bring up some really good points here. If we're being honest, I'm still gonna order the game anyway, but some parts of the campaign itself did kind of rub me the wrong way. Specifically, the acrylic pack should not have been a separate purchase imo.
Or they should've at least made it a part of the Special edition stretch goal.
From what I've seen thus far (they still haven't revealed day 7 stretch goal yet), all these add-ons (acrylic pack, terrain pack) could've easily made a part of the stretch goal. I don't mind giving them a few extra bucks, you can tell they've done a pretty solid job, but I gotta admit that it does feel like a last-minute cash grab. Just yesterday (day 5 goal was released) they revealed this space cat cube to be a part of the stretch goal, along with some malfunction tokens. Completely irrelevant to the game imo.
And you're right, most of the time you won't even play the extra races. I played the fungi race once I think, didn't really do much and haven't touched them since. Total waste of space. If it weren't for the doors and the rover mini, as well as the comic book, I never would've purchased it in the first place.
Speaking of minis, there's this thing they do with the queen mini that almost feels...dare I say, intentional. Apart from the original iteration, which was dope, all the Queen minis are designed in a way that you want them to be replaced by the alternate version. They did it in lockdown, and now they do it again. It's not a big deal and, like I said, I'll still get it anyway, I just wish they wouldn't make you pay for all these things that could've been handled differently to achieve greater customer satisfaction in the long run. I mean, I get where it's coming from, at the end of the day they do this for the coins, it's just that this type of marketing always gives the icky feeling.
For me its always the same reasons and do back 2 games per year of 30ish I want to back:
- do I want to spend money for something I get in 18+ months?
- do I want to get so much material? I feel burdened by possession
- Will I play it 10+ times? (There are so few games where I did, and only 2 were from crowdfunding.
- Is it a better thing than the game I didnt back 1 month ago, or is it because i didnt get the other game?
- Is it gonna be fiddly or a lot of reading?
Never played any of them, I’ll get the trilogy, try all of them out, then keep the one I like most and sell the other two :p still cheaper for me this way than buying them in retail
This is a great video. The Terrain pack for original Nemesis is like $60, just for some minis of things like doors and corpses.
For $60, you can get some really great entire board games! It's good to be reminded to think about value.
I have Nemesis and it does what I want. I don't feel compelled to get Lockdown or Annihilation and use more shelf space, and I definitely can't be convinced to invest in a game I won't see for 2 years.
I'm in the minority that likes OG better than Lockdown. I own the 1st, and I'm going to give this one a shot (while hating myself for doing so, of course), but only 1 will stay. I'm hoping that this one being more action oriented makes up for the lack of dread of the original - that this doesn't end up just feeling like a dungeon crawl. I have Deep Rock Galactic for that.
It looks cool. But I could see a world in which it ends up not being worth it. Only one way to find out, I guess.
100% no rule book = no game.
i only need one reason for not backing it: Shiping/VAT. i will get the game from a retailer in 2 years MAYBE. i have nemesis and lockdown and that is already a lot of aliens to play with. if im feed up in 2 years and want some new aliens to kill i may get the game way cheaper from a local retailer. and i also dont like to pay 2 years in advance for a game i may or may not get. with all the kickstarter hustle lately im not so eager to find out.
Don't do it, Chris! You know Zach will just buy it on his own anyway!
Instructions unclear i learnt of this franchise & immediately backed for the ultimate Nemesis package (i will eat noodles for the rest of the year)
I'm glad AR decided to increase the size of the player characters back to 28mm. We also use to mini's in other games and it would look silly otherwise. I also paint them and going smaller makes it a bit to hard to paint them
The scale of the Intruders are not a problem. I die meet the AR staff at SPIEL in Essen this year and when they explained the gameplay I was hooked again and I could be Zack's brother because I have every Nemesis product myself
tbh, the original intruder minis were way big. They were already scary enough, there was no need to make them as big but whatever. I'm just glad they listened to reason and didn't stick with the smaller minis of the main characters. That would've made the game incompatible with the previous iterations.
You're too late Chris! You're too late. I've already backed. And I went collectors edition. I've been waiting for this campaign to jump into Nemesis. And I did it. I went all-in. All the way all-in. Each of your 5 reasons just made me back harder. All I heard was 5 reasons TO back. And how awesome this game is. So good job. Thanks a lot. I love you.
At least you haven't backed twice lol))
Some words of awareness to people overall involved in backing boardgames:
I also like that they offer an standee version. Imho for me the advantages are:
- the sick artwork on the standees is hard to top with a mini paint job (especially one
Between this and DCEASED, my wallet is crying. I can't believe they've added all the things available in the previous campaigns for such a great price point. I am literally tempted to buy one of the previous versions even though I already have the OG game. The prices are incredible - either of the older games + its stretch goals together are cheaper than a base game on its own in retail in my country. And that's with added shipping and VAT. I could literally sell the game I own for the price of a pledge, if not more, to cover the same version + addons for it. I am just not sure whether I want to start flipping games for profit, it kind of defeats the entire purpose of the hobby. What are your thoughts?
I wish DCeased had been first. I prefer DC, and I feel like i already have enough/too much content with Marvel Zombies.
I have two videos on board game speculation and reselling if you want my full thoughts on it all. If you can sell it to get extra here, you could potentially justify that by allowing someone to have the game earlier. For me, I think selling is fine, but I try and not over do it or personally purchase things with the intent of selling them down the line, because I agree it feels a bit slimey. But getting the upgrades for your game is also an option - chances are if you sell it you're dealing with someone who that extra cost is worth it to them having it now or they could just do the same and order it from this campaign
Disagree about the prices. Add shipping of 30€ and 20% VAT on top and the retail prices for some of those boxes are essentially identical, just minus the risk and minus the wait time (Oct 2024 for the old stuff). Your calculations are completely off if you compare prices of retail including shipping and including shipping vs gamefound excluding 20% vat and excluding around 20% shipping.
Wanted to watch this video, got bored after five minutes and said f*ck it we dont need listen to this at all. ITS NEMESIS! NEMESIS! ALWAYS NEED MORE NEMESIS! And backed it all :D
Reason 5: Both agree and disagree (gameplay leaning further towards coop than semi-coop):
- In comparison with the Original Nemesis, the two objectives a player holds mean they could win with/neutral/without you for both objectives.
- Having 1 Global Objective and 1 Personal Objective means that a player (willing to win) wants to win either with/neutral (global objective) or neutral/without you (personal). Therefore, trust uncertainty may be lower for Nemesis : Retaliation. In other words, analysing wether a player is with/without you may be easier. However, players are still free to choose between the two and lie about it until the very end. As for the "loss of interesting features in Objectives", that's a maybe until the full content is unchanged (stretch goals + expansion).
Reason 4 : Rather disagree.
Major changes to Intruder combat have been made. Particularly, all of the Crew Characters are definitely stronger than in Nemesis 1 and 2. The oxygen mechanism aims to balance that out and add another layer of realism and immersion to the game. Imagine if they were to remove that feature completely, would the game be as challenging and as fun? Ressource management is therefore crucial for survival. Going back to start would be the very last option up your sleeve, and it is highly unlikely for a player to run all the way back to start for Oxygen without triggering any Intruder combat in the process.
Reason 3 : I do agree, but half of this statement is specifically oriented towards "Why you shouldn't back Nemesis : Retaliation COLLECTOR'S PLEDGE". However, I do agree that most additional content leans towards aesthetics which speaks of itself : aesthetics. It's up to the customer to decide. The rest of the comments are personal opinions and may/may not apply for everyone.
Reason 2 : I do agree, but again comments are mostly personal opinions.
Reason 1 : It's a maybe. As mentionned earlier, Nemesis and Nemesis Lockdown are really similar. In comparison, Retaliation has been modified way more than Nemesis and Nemesis Lockdown combined. Is it necessary to possess all three games? Almost definitely not.
Reason 0 : I do agree that no rulebook yet is quite dissapointing and may be considered if you are still unsure wether to buy the game or not. It's harder to observe the differences in gameplay without a rulebook.
If you prefer Alien to Aliens, yeah, you shouldn't back this one, you can just buy Nemesis retail.
As for me, I already got Nemesis, have no plans to get Lockdown, but will get probably get a retail version of Retaliation. (I think Alien 3 is subpar, Aliens is great and Alien is the best of the franchise).
I am curious after dropping $500 AUD on Retaliation, and it will be glorious. Maybe I leave it boxed up and sell it in 20 years.
The Michael Burry of the board game industry strikes again! Thank you for keeping me away from Retaliation, and for saving me a great amount of money with this video.
Why is it that even though I searched the last two weeks for just such a video, it only pops up immediately after the campaign ends? I was looking for a reason not to back, wrestling with FOMO but I kept rationalizing the smaller payments of my over $300 pledge. At first I didn't want the extra races but then I liked the aspect of the vampire race being able to move through doors and the other race having a neutral chaotic characteristic where they fight or help. And yes I did add the constructs and terrain and that's where I should've stopped. Well, I guess I could ask for a refund...but I'll waver yet again right before your eyes. I only just recently played the first game and my friend and I had a heck of a time trying to keep up. He said he would sometime like to try it again but it was an overwhelming task even though I'd spent a good amount of time reading the rules and watching videos days ahead. So, here I am punishing myself with more.
Board game youtubers always forget that there's a large contingent of miniature painters out here.
Literally any other awaken realms game is better to paint. Their models are top notch but I would by far recommend anything else.
They don't consider painting those models. That is why sundrop is a thing.
I've never played Nemesis, and only learned of the Franchise through Gamefound. This video seems to just address if Retaliation is worth getting if you have one of the previos games.
Not what kind of gamers would like Nemesis if they've never played it.
I was half listening when I started your video... Your what "She said joke" came in so fast and muttered quickly that I almost missed it. I couldn't stop laughing out loud... well played sir, well played.
I pledged, but i m very scared about the “too much coop and less semi coop and no betrayalness”. Is it this nemesis so “zombicided”?
Congrats, this whole video failed to provide me with a single reason not to back this game, instead it just highlighted all the cool stuff about the game. Sigh ... *clicks back button*
Altho its problaby a good game, my OG Nemesis stands like a painting in my glass cabin, with painted miniatures showcased. Only played this game three times in two years. And while i like looking at it, i wont buy another painting.
Fully backed. Nemesis is my favourite thing.
Here's my actual thoughts: I haven't played either prior Nemesis game but have definitely heard all of the hype. The thing that excited me the most was people saying it was the "best Alien game ever made" whereas this one seems like like Aliens than Alien. And I'm more interested in a game where I have to cooperate with friends to run in terror and complete tasks and escape than a game where we all run in guns blazing and blow up aliens. Should I just get Lockdown instead?
That definitely sounds more like Lockdown to me, that would be a good place to start for sure.
Nemesis 1 has a theme that is more Alien than Lockdown
Nemesis (original) is the closest to the Alien theme. The crew are better equipped than in Alien, and they're all attempting to accomplish their own goals. Working together is usually because it's mutually beneficial rather than the cooperating to survive. (Nemesis does have a cooperative mode, but I think it's a lot less interesting.)
For me, Nemesis reminds me of Alien Resurrection. You have a group of disparate characters that are equipped with some firearms which are pursing their own goals with a bunch of aliens running around.
Lockdown is a more mechanism heavy game that shifts away from the Alien theme. While not a perfect comparison, many people have compared it to the movie Pitch Black. And, I can see how that fits with how much light nerfs the aliens. But, it's kind of like Pitch Black, in a base, where everyone has guns.
Go for original. I prefer that one as a solo/pure coop than lockdown.
Okay, follow-up question then for everybody recommending the original over Lockdown - aren't there gameplay improvements in Lockdown? Quality of Life stuff that make it more fun and engaging?
No regurts dammit! Do you hear me? NO REGURTS!!! 😂
I NEED an episode of this for Food Chain Magnate. Please don't let me succumb to the FOMO!
Yes! Please read and do this 🙏🏻
Haha I don't see it crossing 1 mill in time but I'll cover it in Crowdfunding Countdown for sure. I own the original FCM and I think that's a way better decision if the gameplay interests you, I think the minis will make it less useable and the base game is still available from their store for 50 percent of the price
Christ, I was hoping you would convince me out of it but now I want it even more. I own the first two games and I know I don’t need it. But…
It is simple for me...Because campaign does not include czech version
NICE TRY!! I'm going all in, iv gone all in on the other series and I'm going all in on this one!! I love this game!
Too late suckers, I'm too far down to back out with anything less than an all-in pledge.
I'm so excited that they made the aliens smaller. I was going to get the standee version but reasonable sized minis are just too nice.
I wish there had been a Standee version of the first game. I already had all the Aliens from the Prodos AvP game, which stand in almost perfectly for the Intruders.
1. Reason should be nothing is exclusive. Pick it up all later
I like this format of kickstarter discussion btw. Just subscribed!
I'd like to see more variety in hero characters. Some of them seem a bit boring so far.
I can see myself buying this, but I'll wait for the retail because I intend to get the standee version. This will let me wait and hear how the solo mode is, since I'm solo only, and let me find out how big the game is, as my table is a 33" square card table, and in a quick scan of the page and a check of the mat, I found no dimensions. Seriously, no dimensions for the mat?
I don’t know if you’ve played the original or Lockdown solo, but they’re just OK, and sometimes not even OK, but pretty lame. I only play them solo before I have to teach it, so the rules are fresh in my head again.
The best parts of this game are playing with hidden objectives and what happens because of that. Taking that away makes it a game with nothing special, and you can get much better solo games for the $.
@@timparks9833 100% - What makes the game stand out are the player interactions and hidden objectives. When you take that away, it's a lesser experience.
@@timparks9833 I haven't played them, so thanks for the insights. I have heard this and so haven't even been interested in the previous versions. It's people reporting that there seems to not be the same sort of treachery in this version that makes me think there's a possibility they'll have tried to make it interesting in other ways
I love the « aliens » vibe from james cameron there is in this one.
could you do the same video for Food Chain Magnate? i would really want to see that.
It didn't hit it in enough time. Took a look at it though in this morning's video, but recorded before they added the better pledge
Would you do dying light board game review ?
Like to hear from you😆😂
A bit too late to do a designated one but I cover it in Monday's upvoming crowdfunding countdown video
I actually actually like smaller alien minis. The big minis in nemesis look great but feels a bit weird having the characters in a different scale.
Dont think ill back because for how much i play just original is enough, i am using this oportunity to get aftermath and untold stories though to broaden my original nemesis experience
The biggest reason why I would advise people not to get ANY Nemesis game is one you haven't mentioned in this video. These games have a solid basic rule set (5 cards = up to 2 actions and pay in action points) but an absurdly high administrative element to gameplay.
Remember how combat works? No? Check the rulebook. What about the Infection tokens? Check the rulebook. Enemy tokens? Rulebook. Noise tokens, oxygen rules or energy generator, injuries, elevator + movement... always the rulebook. It's fine if you've got someone that has a brain for that in your group but the amount of minutia you have to remember is silly compared to an equally thematic game such as Cthulhu: Death May Die.
Don't mistake me, I'm backing it as the downsides are compensated by the story elements of your gameplay session because AR leans on the side of "just go with your feelings on these rules and don't sweat it too much". That's probably why they don't have a rulebook.
That's a good point. The original game also didn't organize the rules well which made it hard to find the right section to answer your question. However, Esoteric Order of Gamers has fantastic player aids for the games. That cuts down the referencing to a quick look at player aid that takes up half a sheet of paper.
Additionally, I think there's a lot more replayability to Nemesis over Death May Die. Nemesis has the hidden objectives which make every player's actions questionable. Death May Die has 2 (maybe 3) plays of each scenario before you're done with it. The Elder Gods don't change up the scenarios enough to really make a scenario feel different. And, the bigger downside is that the investigators all feel pretty same-y. There's a lot of variability, but not a lot of variety. And, I'm not saying it's a bad game. It's a great dice-chucker. It's just lacking a strong hook in the gameplay like Nemesis has.
Yeah, rules complexity is a no-go for someone. Also, the situation will be significantly complicated by the fact that between parts the same actions are interpreted in completely opposite ways, such as the rule for rolling for noise in the new version, where you must roll a noise die even if you move into a room with another character, while in the two current parts you don't. I have never seen a walkthrough on RUclips where the players did everything according to the rules.
Such a good video. Your point about most extras being minimal even for a fan of the games is so spot on. I love nemesis original and the theme of the ship...I don't have that power fantasy of Aliens gun blasting...but if it is a meatier zombicide, has good tactics and twists...I could love Retaliation. Need to pay attention and rewatch the playthroughs. They were having fun but I'm still waiting to be sucked in. STALKER put me off but Retaliation seems to have good bones at least, if the O2 etc is good stressful and not annoying.
I like playmats, but this one is too Matrixy. I think a space themed general one would be the better direction, but idk if im finding it yet...not like there's a rush.
WTF?! Lords of H&R are broken games, laugh at Tamashii and you didn't play TGrail. 🤨
Shame mate, shame...
Haha I've played Tainted Grail, it's decidedly okay, I like the combat ideas. Tamashii'd candy crush battles look very uninteresting to me though 🤷♂️
Play Tamashii and maybe I'll forgive you. ;) ;)
I really just want the minis to paint. I have a hard time backing more of the game, since I don’t feel like the game needs an upgrade. The semi-coop already makes it feel like a different game every time I play, so I don’t really need a different game.
I love painting these minis though, and I’m tempted to back just for them. Whoever sculpts these knows how to sculpt for a painter.
Awaken Realms started out as a small mini painting business. Amazing minis that are fun to paint have a place close to their hearts and it shows.
1. No money
Anything else is moot.
We LOVE Nemesis Lockdown, and I KNOW this will be an upgrade and will be more action-oriented . For me AW has been knocking out of the park lately.
Already pledged the minis edition and got the acrylic upgrade, will see if I upgrade it further, but either way will be amazing.
Edit - After watching the video I decided to add the playmat as well , since it`ll be a very nice addition and will be useful, as the "map" won`t be on bare table :D
Are you afraid for too much co op and less semi co op? I loved the betrayalness in lockdown, here it seems there is less
@@lucadelmagno7007 The fact that there are Ranks and you can issue/ignore orders makes me think there will be betrayals as well, BUT even if it isn`t as much as Lockdown - we do still have it as well
I literally backed it halfway through the video while watching. 😂😂😂
I prefer zombicide invader darkside. Better action, loot, level up skills, various types of monsters, movie characters you can play, Quicker game.
Worth checking out all, before you guys commit
This is a good video. I backed the first Nemesis all in and exactly like you said I've never touched most of the extra stuff. I've never used Carnomorphs or Voidseeders, I've never played Aftermath. The extra characters in Aftermath are good but I don't think I've ever used them. The main drive for my friends playing Nemesis is the semi-co-op element, all the memorable experiences and the things we remember are when you someone got trapped in a room with the Queen by someone,etc.
The Oxygen mechanic here seems like it works thematically, but will probably be broken in terms of gameplay. The lack of gameplay and rulebook is a big red flag.
Wait... I thought you was supposed to convince me not to purchase 😂. 5:50 in and you caused me to back it already 😂... Damn, my unresponsible purchases...
I feel like you don't exactly get what an art book is, and who it's for. I don't know about Nemesis specifically (I still have to get into the game, I'll get the original Nemesis when the pledge manager will be active), but an art book done correctly is not a collection of art you've already seen in the thing they reference. Like, an art book for a film is not a series of screen shots of the film. It's the concept art by the art director, the storyboards, the everything that went through the art department and was used to make the film. It's stuff you have NOT seen. For instance, I imagine a Nemesis art book will have the preparatory sketches and the concept artwork for the miniatures, which the sculptors used to create them, and so on.
As for the target for such a thing (aside from a fan who wants everything/wants to support the creators more - that's definitely a reason, probably the main reason, why the art book exists to begin with), I'd say it's people who care about artwork, and maybe do artwork themselves, more than gamers per se. Ideally, a Nemesis gamer who also care about artwork. The overlap might not be huge, but I agree that an art book is not something very costly to produce, all the materials I mentioned already exist somewhere in some designer and/or artist's hard disk (although they have to be edited and organized into a print layout), so it's become a low-hanging fruit where production add-ons are concerned.
It's wrong to compare it to extra game components, though. An art book is something you want _aside from_ the game, just because you're a fan of the game and/or an art enthusiast, and not to enhance your enjoyment of the game. It's not part of the game, it's _about_ the game. Like, your video is not part of the game, but people who are interested in the game watch it, no?
i definitely agree with you all that cool extra stuff, is completely unnesscary for most people. unless you are a super fan and have a group of friends who come over a lot of the time to play then go ahead and get it to make the experience more immersive (at least as immersive as board games can get). i still want it because it sounds more on the coop side vs semi coop side. my friends and I prefer working together and not have to worry about back stabbing, especially if they were still learning the game. We tried the semi coop but no one likes screwing over someone else. I do see the appeal of semi coop but it feels so much better when we all succeed at the end or at least help get one player to survive at the end. You make a lot of great reasons for people to keep in mind. However I'm sure most of us are still getting this despite that.
Hey Chris, did you have a look at Kelp yet? I am not sure it will reach the Million $ mark, but it's getting closer. I watched some gameplay and am really intrigued by it, so a 5 reason I should not back would definitely help!
It'll be covered in Monday's Crowdfunding Countdown :)
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Always watch the reasons not to buy another game as the shelf is starting to tumble over. But, what I want to stress out that it is crowdfunding (referring to reason 0) where you back the creator by helping them get their product out to the market > you are not buying it (yes, it does feel like a play of words and maybe the meaning has eroded a bit and it feels like you are buying), you are making a pledge to support the creator.
Keep it up!
You've convinced me...not to get Nemesis Retaliation. Instead, after not getting it for years and resisting, I'm just finally going to get the original Nemesis, with many (but not all!) of the bells and whistles. Oops...oh well :P
Alright. Convince me why I shouldn't get a game that will ship in 2025. 🥴
I have the first two and was TOTALLY NOT getting this. But the value, man. Shipping to Canada is ... reasonable?! (wha..?) and the price of the minis version is decent. Really really hard to say no. Damn - I'm not doing so good on reducing my board game purchases.
Skipping this. No reason not to wait for retail. Stretch goals' content never gets played anyway.
I need all the things! Haha If I'm gonna take up more space on my shelves, I'm gonna make sure it's with amazing games like Nemesis. :)
Scale difference kinda turned me off, but I’m also looking for reasons to go for DCeased and TMNT…
You have instead helped convince me to back it. The comment on add-ons (#3) was spot on though. Trilogy pledge here we come.
After some campaigns recently for me, this was an easy decision to skip. I don't have any other Nemesis stuff. I mostly play games solo, and while the solo modes for the past two Nemesis games seem fine, they don't seem great. From watching playthroughs, the games seem to really shine in that semi co-op space. If I had a regular group to play this with, I'd definitely be much more interested.
That said, I was pleasantly surprised by the pricing on this. (A big change after seeing the crazy prices for the Food Chain Magnate campaign!) The standee pledge seems like an amazing deal, and the deal for the full trilogy also seems like an amazing deal (so much so that I was starting to get FOMO feelings even though I know that these aren't really the games for me).
And lastly - Tamashii is an amazing game!! D: D: D:
Likely a bunch cheaper in retail after shipping & VAT and I'm fine with standees with this game if I only end up paying like 50 - 60 €. Likely won't need the SGs, I don't know how much f. e. another alien race would add to this experience, but I'll wait and see until they are all revealed if they are worth it.
I always enjoy your videos and they always convince me to back games. I am hoping this one DOESNT do that because I need to not spend money
I just sold my original Nemesis base game painted to fund my purchase of a new original copy and retaliation with all the goodies. I love it when publishers offer "old" games in the current game development as a painter.
I don't know. I mean. I'm not for minis in a non-mini game. ISS Vanguard is a perfect example being narrative and I wish it was ALL standees (or acrylic) to save money. But Retaliation is like a Dungeon Crawl horde type game, where minis are more justified. I hate how the "terrain pack" has minis as well. And I feel if you're going all minis, you have to get minis for the eggs, aircraft, etc. I don't like it's an additional $39. I do wish at least the eggs were with the other aliens. Since it's technically an alien mini. I'm also not a fan that I have to pay an additional $9 for the cooler queen because they wanted a female fatale demon queen in the core game. It does look fun. My only grip is will it get old without enough scenarios. I can easily do something myself for sun drop that's quicker and better.
Shhhhhh Chris. Just let me buy it
Oh you're gonna get it Zach!
Nemesis I think is my favorite game, I will back whatever put out as long as it looks like they put in effort
Feels weird being on the same side in both liking this game. You and me usually don't have the same taste on games... Feels odd...feels unnatural
Haha glad you like nemesis too
I had the original. Found it to be extremely average. Sold it off.
This is an easy pass
there is another bad reason , that they will add paid gameplay addons that will make the game more expensive to get. This actually pushed me hard from Stalker as some of them were very expensive and important in the gameplay but the components were only some cards in some of them.
Still I'm convinced to get this as I love nemesis but I don't own any game, and the only exception that will make me reconsider is the game lacking a lot of characters (they mentioned one of the addons will be the old characters so you won't have to get the other games). Lack of characters is what made me skip lockdown (even if the characters were a lot better). I'm scared too about the game being less semicoop, but I've read all the objetives and there still a lot of killing your teammates, but maybe being able to choose your objetive when you want will make you betray less overall.
About the changes, this game feels more streamlined and give you more control, but the game lacks a lot of mechanics that I usually not used like aliens weakness and crafting..., I feel that the design space for having more characters that are not combat based is more limited because of that.
Easy to pass...those interlocking tiles are a no go for me.
Imagine judging an entire game based on one small detail that you clearly don't know anything about. They actually made the locking connectors more robust specifically to ensure they would last longer
@@OhSixy I have the same opinion - not a fan of the tiles setup and it gives it more of a classic dungeon crawler feel which I personally find unnecessary. I'd prefer differently designed Nemesis spacecrafts that you simply buy in playmat form which have different paths - just like how the original Nemesis board has two backs. If you don't like like jigsaw-esque nature of this, then looking at how they made the locking aspect durable wouldn't suddenly make this a fun experience.
fair enough! I didn't back the game because its insanely expensive and players can be eliminated very early, and be forced to sit and do nothing for several hours. no thanks@@pjaw8226
I'll enjoy it regardless, but I do hope they balance/incentive the betrayal and semi coop aspect so that it doesn't turn into a fully coop game.
AR is notorious for not releasing their rule books during campaigns! It’s caused me to pass on pledging more than once - and I love their games.
Do others do that? I think I have never seen a rulebook on KS or GF.
@@Sylvaantye Providing a rulebook is the norm for the majority of crowdfunding game campaigns - which is why AR's lack of them stands out so much.
@@patrickblue7024where should I be able to find that on KS and GF then? Think I have never seen it. Only a better described Gameplay on their page than AR does. I did back Dragon Eclipse though, more for a fear of FOMO, since not everything will come in retail in the NL.
Probably the first time ever that a board game was compared to cottage cheese 😅
My top five reasons for not backing Nemesis Retaliation:
ISS Vanguard
Tainted Grail - 1&2
Sleeping Gods
Etherfields
Aeon Trespass: Odyssey
All on the way....
Haha yeah that's a great list, hope you've cleared the shelf space!!
Too late, already backed! My justification is that I do love Nemesis and I play the current 2 iterations on a regular basis. Also, I dropped my £400 Secrets of the Lost Tomb pledge in favour of Retaliation.
With the oxygen mechanic, you can carry extra and the robots carry supplies. I can't remember how it worked in Deep Madness and it didn't stay in my collection?
Can't wait for the reasons not to back dceased. Oh wait...
I have everything for Nemesis and lockdown....I've never played an expansion for Nemesis or even started Lockdown😂. Naturally I'll be all in on this and not playing 90% of the content on offer and buying expensive storage solutions😱
Naturally, it's the only sensible thing to do!
Too late. I'm backer #504. You will fail at your attempt 😂
Question first; Should we get all 3 games, for those that don't have any of it? What can be shared between the 3 different games, if anything? Do people that have the first 2 games play both of them or is one always on the shelf because the other is more their cup of tea?
I haven't played or bought Nemesis or Nemesis Lockdown. I've read some people love one or the other, but usually not both. So:
#5: I prefer coop and solo games over traitor/pvp games. I wish they made this more of a dungeon crawler/mission oriented in the "Aliens" universe.
#4: Survival mechanics are kind of blah. I don't know if I'll like this part of the game either.
#3: I love minis. Painting them and seeing them on table. Also prefer neoprene playmats.
#2: I love the Alien IP, but I missed the prior campaigns and then retail didn't seem like a good deal.
#1: This answered my last question above, sort of...If nothing can be shared between the games, then I'd probably only play "Retailiation."
I would get Retaliation and either Nemesis or Lockdown. Some people prefer Nemesis (it's less fiddly and more thematic) and others prefer Lockdown (because there's more mechanisms to play with).
With Nemesis and Lockdown, it's a mish-mash of what's compatible...
- Nemesis + Lockdown and I think the Lockdown aliens to be compatible with Nemesis. Some Nemesis heroes are compatible with Lockdown. No Lockdown heroes are compatible with Nemesis.
- If you add the Lockdown Stretch Goals, then that makes all the aliens compatible between all the games. It makes all the heroes for Nemesis (including the Aftermath ones) compatible with Lockdown. There is no backwards compatibility for the heroes.
However, the cross-compatibility is cludgy.
- For some heroes you take their Nemesis deck and swap bits of their equipment. Some you entirely replace their deck. If it's not a character that directly transitions, it's just not worth it.
- For the aliens it's a mish-mash. For example, the Lockdown aliens have a half-assed rule to treat the Nemesis ship as always dark. I believe the aliens porting forward to Lockdown (with the Stretch Goals box) all get a new deck to use.
AR have indicated that some heroes will be forward compatible into Retaliation. I hope that's as far as they go with the cross-compatibility, because from past experience it doesn't seem to be well thought out or designed. But, they caved to fans to make content compatible with Retaliation. It's quite possible they'll cave to fans again.
I play Nemesis 9 out of 10 times over Lockdown. It's a more thematic experience. It's much better aesthetically. Plus, I think the Lockdown version sucks a lot of the tension out of the game with the lights mechanism which makes the game easier. There's some mechanisms I like from Lockdown, and that's about the only reason I keep it. It's likely something I'll be selling though.
#5 - I wouldn't get either Nemesis or Lockdown for co-op or solo. It has those modes if you want them. But, I feel like you rob the game of what makes it magic if you do.
#4 - It's not survival grind. This isn't Tainted Grail or 7th Continent nonsense. It's more moving around the ship in pursuit of your goal, scavenging what you can to improve your chances, and avoiding combat where possible. The Retaliation O2 is a mechanism that looks a bit more like fiddly, survival nonsense.
#3 - Nemesis has really good minis. Lockdown has stupid looking minis. Retaliation has OK looking minis. The softer plastic Awaken Realms uses for their games plus the reduction in alien size could also result in the Retaliation minis looking less good.
#2 - Nemesis is very on brand with the Aliens IP. Carnomorphs are kind of The Thing-ish. Voidseeders are more the typical Grey aliens. Lockdown I guess is Pitch Black, but it's thematically a mess. Retaliation looks like a return to the Aliens IP.
#1 So far, there's very little that's cross-compatible.
chill
Ice cold
Talk me out! Or don't! I don't know what I really want!
Imagine doing this Video as soon as possible, and still being to late to save anyone 🥲
That was the worst attempt of talking me out of buying a game I have ever seen from you, I play only fully coop anyway because betraying someone in Nemesis is wayy too easy and there is too less reward or an interesting challenge for choosing more cooperative goals (like for example, save at least someone else so people believe your story later or something like this would be cool)... but thanks for trying. I waited for this video before buying the game xD
Haha it's hard when I can't talk myself out of it!