These hondas are throwing down some numbers man! Back in 2006-2008 you didn't see any honda's out dragging man (the clutches in those years weren't too friendly). It's nice to see some action from them!
Awesome video I’m hooked 📺 🍿 Getting that pcv5 on their is not easy n honestly without the bike is not gonna make this kind of smooth power. Update: Bike is more comfortable to ride slow or fast then the new bmw. (And the new bmw is a great bike for commuting or going fast)
I agree about the pcv because that fine tuning is necessary to get the bike dialed in properly. You can get in the ballpark without one though. Wish I could have rode it before I left to really do a comparison to the zx10 and gsxr
The US and Euro-bikes have the same gearinf from the factory- 186mph in 4th gear as stock. Euro-bikes a not restricted - BUT speed limited. And no-- US bikes do NOT make 6-700cc bike-power - they make around 165+ hp
@12:36 He can probably get you that 1 or 2 extra HP but its going to start affecting your power down low making the bike ride rough! It sounds clean safe and happy around that 216 mark and IMO isn't worth the risk leaning it out more and starving the motor! This motor is really impressive and I just can't believe Honda waited so long to get back in the fight! Now we need to get Yamaha R1 to step it up because they are now sitting where Honda set for years! The new gsxr's better not sit back either because they are barely in front of Yamaha!
@Ricky Cunha that's a good quality to have man! I learned the hard way by not doing my research before getting a dyno tune and the guy messed my bike up running my nitrous through the motor because he was a new guy that really didn't no what he was doing! SO WHEN HE HIT THE STARTER WELL IM SURE YOU CAN IMAGINE THE MESS I CAME BACK TO!
What??? No offense M1000RR, just letting you know the top end tune has nothing to do with how it will run down low. The Fuel Table is TPS% vs RPM = tuning the 100% throttle/10,000rpm cell has zero effect on the 100% throttle/5,000rpm cell. So if each/every cell in the fuel table is tuned properly the bike will run perfect everywhere...
As an Owner the Triple R FireBlade is a dream to Ride. MCU worked with me Early in the development of my Monster. ENVIED where are you located. The progress is impressive . Thanks for giving Ryan the Credit he Earned. On this bike what is the sprocket Ratio? #TeamHRC #FireViolence
Hey I have the same bike I will pay whatever I need my bike done correctly, I went to Bren tune and slr and I’m not happy I want the power commander and same stuff done to mine I have full titanium akrapovic evolution exhaust and sprint filter and velocity stacks
I suspect there is a way to access the ECU. I've done it with the CB1000R 2018-2020. No one lists the software as compatible but it works. All that's then needed is a new definition file creating.
Do y'all run u4 in most of your bikes or did this motor like it best? Its a hard fuel for me to get my hands on in SC but MR12 I can get with a phone call so that's my go to fuel!
Funny how that 6 year old design is leading the points in Moto A Superbike and WSBK. I’ve been told the 20+ models have a new head that would be the equivalent of a pro head job on the previous models.
@@apriliaguy4life198 Yamaha builds a dominant track bike. Americans buy bikes for straight line speeds and horsepower. Yamaha should keep what they've got with their R1. But release a Hayabusa competitor, not bound to racing rules. 1400-1500cc well beyond 250hp is so capable. Can't believe no one is doing it yet.
Envied I have to ask you a question, being you have 1st hand knowledge. I've been told that the 21 Zx10r is a dud, and not worth the money. Understanbly everyone has there opinions, and the person I'm speaking of is very knowledgeable with kawasaki's. My question if someone was bike shopping, and there choices are 21 zx10r, 20 zx10r or Suzuki GSXR 1k which woukd you recommend? This person is looking to dig race, roll race, on both track and street. Thanks for any input
The 2021 is not a Dud. People are down talking the bike because a flash isn't available but us that have race ecus know what the bike can do. Is it a big jump from last gen, I don't think so but it is a step up. As for which bike right now I would have to say a 20 zx10r just because of the flash. Unless you're okay with spending 2600 for the krt ecu for the 21zx10. That's just my opnion
@@EnviedKing respect, appreciate your input. I see you really went in on yours and it appears to have some dope results. Yes you are correct in the flash not being available is the 1st thing mentioned. For me the complete revamp is very appealing, especially with the new TFT and intergrated winglets. So far everyone that had one and posted about it has no complaints. Last question, Moto Mac installed a PC5 on his, and looking at your recent Fireblade video, you highly recommend a piggy back system if your looking to tune. I know I have to ask Mac, but do you feel the PC5 gives the 21zx10r somewhat of an edge over stock? I'm hearing you the PC5 gives access to ignition timing as well, again thanks bro. Really appreciate your feedback.
@@tokyorick79 honestly I think every bike outside of maybe the S1000 can benefit from some type of piggy back. They aren't necessary but make it easier to dial in fueling and most pickup hp and better throttle response over just a flash with fuel adjustments
@@tokyorick79 so the gen6 have better performance than gen5 and hp figures above 205 are reached with more ease. Now on the question with pcv its very simple yes you can fully tune a bike from ecu but the resolution of oem ecus sometimes isn't the greatest, adding a pcv can compensate for all of that. Yes Dynojet provides ignition modules but that you can do on the ecu with no problem.
That bike had some issues that were caused by the shop that did the headwork. There was RTV covering the water jackets for one and I'm not sure why you would use rtv when the head gasket works just fine. I'm sure ricardo will make a video better explaining what was done to rectify that mess
@@megapet777 well, it's a newer bike, more efficient, that 15% drivetrain loss isn't really relevant now, better and lighter components sap less power.
the gear the bike is in shouldn't matter, the drum measures force and co-relates it with engine RPM, gear ratio and tire circumference to determine power. higher gear=lower force but more wheel rotation. Lower gear=More force but fewer rotations, it should all even out to the same power. The engine makes always the same power regardless of gear ratio, power reading at the wheel shouldn't change based on gear because power is proportional to torque and rpm. something doesn't add up with that. Also, the ZX-10 has a longer stroke, it will always make more power lower at the rev range for the same amount of fuel burnt. Honda has a bigger total displacement yes, 1.9cc more but that's less than 1% while the ZX-10R has like a 13% longer stroke, it will make considerably more torque for the same amount of Air-Fuel mixture burned at any given RPM, but it doesn't rev as high, it has smaller throttle bodies and valves, it sucks in less air and when the Honda starts to rev and actually suck in proper air, the zx is out of it. Considering how much bigger Honda's valves and throttle bodies are, it's impressive how the Ninja can stay on top for so far up the rev range. this CBR has so much potential. EDIT: I don't know the story behind that ZX-10 so i assumed it had a stock motor. I watched the video again in some parts and that bike has a name? is it some project build? does it have a stock motor or has there been work done to it?
The gear you dyno in does matter. From 4th gear to 5th gear the bike picks up 3-5hp. The bike doesn't make the same power in every gear. If you haven't had a bike on a dyno and tested this as we have then you wouldn't understand.
yes but you're supposed to gear a bike with its power curve in mind. if every motor had the same gearing always then everyone would make the same motor to go with that fixed gearing, there's no point in that.
Huh!!!! What in the hell are you talking about tune in through a piggyback add-on is never better than through the actual computer clearly this guy does not know what he’s talking about 🤦🏻♂️ it’s easier to do fuel tuning through a power commander add-on yes because it has an auto tune function and it just auto populates but no way in hell is the resolution better and you can only do fueling not the other 10 million things that you can do in the EC you this is complete garbage baloney nonsense ignorance
You clearly are lost my friend. The resolution insire the PCV is much better for tuning than doing it through the ECU. By resolution I mean the amount of different RPM points of adjustments. Any competent tuner will tell you the same thing and not to mention its easier to tune fueling with the PCV than the ECU because there's no flashing involved and changes can be made while the bike is still running on the dyno. So take your disrespect elsewhere because its not warrantied here when you're directing it at people who do this for a living.
@@EnviedKing if power commander is cheaper and has higher resolution and is more accurate why does no top team use it? Granted powercommander might have a resolution down to 250 rpm but that doesn’t make it better than tuning the native ecu…..
@@barringtonsharpe2402 the teams don't use retail ECUs, like, come on. Do you think BSB and WSBK use the retail ECU that comes with the bike in the dealership? Of course not, they're using a race ECU made for the specific purpose of RACING. Be it the HRC part for superstock races (in the case of honda) or the MoTeC ECU in BSB. Superstock allows a power commander but is a PCV more accurate than the HRC part? it's definitely cheaper.
Woooow;219hp this is monster🤩🤩🤩
Good work and great power. Props for naming MCU Innovations that made this possible. Some *other* tuners take full credit.
I always give a shout out to anybody that helps me along the way. This video wouldn't be possible without those guys.
These hondas are throwing down some numbers man! Back in 2006-2008 you didn't see any honda's out dragging man (the clutches in those years weren't too friendly). It's nice to see some action from them!
Ugh love honda and so happy they’re making crazy bikes that should never be driven on the streets that everyone will buy for the street!! Need one!
Them new Honda’s gonna be beast out here in these streets if you ever see one lol
Team Honda make good Lawn Mowers. Yall so worried about the HP and forget about the take off. I will beat this bike any given day.
Check out crash test goat..his homie has an unrestricted one and his 2022 r1 can't deal
219hp with almost 15k rpm,let´s call "fireviolence"
I'm using that Term.. perfect
@@midnightpurgefireblade6406 yes
Around 200hp..shout out from Philippines 🇵🇭
Awesome video I’m hooked 📺 🍿
Getting that pcv5 on their is not easy n honestly without the bike is not gonna make this kind of smooth power.
Update: Bike is more comfortable to ride slow or fast then the new bmw. (And the new bmw is a great bike for commuting or going fast)
I agree about the pcv because that fine tuning is necessary to get the bike dialed in properly. You can get in the ballpark without one though. Wish I could have rode it before I left to really do a comparison to the zx10 and gsxr
@@EnviedKing can you compare with 2021 zx10r with ECU flash/ KRT ECU? How much the max horsepower 2021 zx10r with ECU flash/ KRT Racing ECU?
The US and Euro-bikes have the same gearinf from the factory- 186mph in 4th gear as stock. Euro-bikes a not restricted - BUT speed limited. And no-- US bikes do NOT make 6-700cc bike-power - they make around 165+ hp
Awesome bike
thats really awesome
@12:36 He can probably get you that 1 or 2 extra HP but its going to start affecting your power down low making the bike ride rough! It sounds clean safe and happy around that 216 mark and IMO isn't worth the risk leaning it out more and starving the motor! This motor is really impressive and I just can't believe Honda waited so long to get back in the fight! Now we need to get Yamaha R1 to step it up because they are now sitting where Honda set for years! The new gsxr's better not sit back either because they are barely in front of Yamaha!
Only testing was done on this video, I don't run any bike with afr above 13.....
@Ricky Cunha that's a good quality to have man! I learned the hard way by not doing my research before getting a dyno tune and the guy messed my bike up running my nitrous through the motor because he was a new guy that really didn't no what he was doing! SO WHEN HE HIT THE STARTER WELL IM SURE YOU CAN IMAGINE THE MESS I CAME BACK TO!
What??? No offense M1000RR, just letting you know the top end tune has nothing to do with how it will run down low.
The Fuel Table is TPS% vs RPM = tuning the 100% throttle/10,000rpm cell has zero effect on the 100% throttle/5,000rpm cell. So if each/every cell in the fuel table is tuned properly the bike will run perfect everywhere...
Self screwed nut for the chain adjuster..
Did you use regular fuel to get this type of hp or this with race fuel ? Mr12 !
Where did you buy the power commander? For the Honda cbr1000rr-r
As an Owner the Triple R FireBlade is a dream to Ride. MCU worked with me Early in the development of my Monster. ENVIED where are you located. The progress is impressive . Thanks for giving Ryan the Credit he Earned. On this bike what is the sprocket Ratio? #TeamHRC #FireViolence
I was in Jersey at the time but I've since moved out west. I'll always give credit where credit is due
Just curious where you guys located ?
All that power and you leave your chain adjuster lock nuts loose?!
Where in Jersey is that Dyno!?
214 at the wheel 😳
Me wants
Hey I have the same bike I will pay whatever I need my bike done correctly, I went to Bren tune and slr and I’m not happy I want the power commander and same stuff done to mine I have full titanium akrapovic evolution exhaust and sprint filter and velocity stacks
Ricardo at Motorcycle Mall in New Jersey
Dove posso acquistare power commander.Dynojet non la produce ancora.
What part number is that power Commander
Honda ❤️
Great 👍 すごい
I suspect there is a way to access the ECU. I've done it with the CB1000R 2018-2020.
No one lists the software as compatible but it works.
All that's then needed is a new definition file creating.
That’s the stocks exhaust ?
No sir
What exhaust system does it have?
what sprocket are the EU bikes getting??????
I honestly have no clue to be honest but I know its different than the US model
Where did you get the blade 2020 power commander from
I didn't buy it and Im pretty sure it just one for a previous Gen made to work with the new Gen.
What’s the name of your shop? Where are you located?
Running pump 93, Mr12, or E85? Awesome job bro! Impressive numbers!
Bike was on u4.4 in this video
215 pump and 219 on vpu4.4
Do y'all run u4 in most of your bikes or did this motor like it best? Its a hard fuel for me to get my hands on in SC but MR12 I can get with a phone call so that's my go to fuel!
@Ricky Cunha this bike is really going to pi$$ some people off man! Lol most are going to need a bottle to keep up and be relevant with this RRR!
@@MRR-qv3bw mr12 it's very nasty fuel, I don't like the residual left behind....
STD instead of SAE. Subract a few HP.
i wonder if he can do the 2020 and the 2021 r1m like that
You are comparing a 6 year old platform with a brand new bike. Its possible to make good numbers on the r1 yes but needs some work........
Funny how that 6 year old design is leading the points in Moto A Superbike and WSBK. I’ve been told the 20+ models have a new head that would be the equivalent of a pro head job on the previous models.
@@apriliaguy4life198 not even close this engine its 100% different from previous models
@@tysta2 I was talking about the 20+ R1 compared to the 15-19, not the CBR. I don’t know much about the Honda’s
@@apriliaguy4life198 Yamaha builds a dominant track bike. Americans buy bikes for straight line speeds and horsepower. Yamaha should keep what they've got with their R1. But release a Hayabusa competitor, not bound to racing rules. 1400-1500cc well beyond 250hp is so capable. Can't believe no one is doing it yet.
Did you tune the timing or just afr
Considering with her 21 10r or fireblade
This was just fueling changes on our end
Yes timing as changes as well
Whats this new Akrapovic headers?
Envied I have to ask you a question, being you have 1st hand knowledge. I've been told that the 21 Zx10r is a dud, and not worth the money. Understanbly everyone has there opinions, and the person I'm speaking of is very knowledgeable with kawasaki's. My question if someone was bike shopping, and there choices are 21 zx10r, 20 zx10r or Suzuki GSXR 1k which woukd you recommend? This person is looking to dig race, roll race, on both track and street. Thanks for any input
The 2021 is not a Dud. People are down talking the bike because a flash isn't available but us that have race ecus know what the bike can do. Is it a big jump from last gen, I don't think so but it is a step up. As for which bike right now I would have to say a 20 zx10r just because of the flash. Unless you're okay with spending 2600 for the krt ecu for the 21zx10. That's just my opnion
@@EnviedKing respect, appreciate your input. I see you really went in on yours and it appears to have some dope results. Yes you are correct in the flash not being available is the 1st thing mentioned. For me the complete revamp is very appealing, especially with the new TFT and intergrated winglets. So far everyone that had one and posted about it has no complaints. Last question, Moto Mac installed a PC5 on his, and looking at your recent Fireblade video, you highly recommend a piggy back system if your looking to tune. I know I have to ask Mac, but do you feel the PC5 gives the 21zx10r somewhat of an edge over stock? I'm hearing you the PC5 gives access to ignition timing as well, again thanks bro. Really appreciate your feedback.
@@tokyorick79 honestly I think every bike outside of maybe the S1000 can benefit from some type of piggy back. They aren't necessary but make it easier to dial in fueling and most pickup hp and better throttle response over just a flash with fuel adjustments
@@tokyorick79 so the gen6 have better performance than gen5 and hp figures above 205 are reached with more ease.
Now on the question with pcv its very simple yes you can fully tune a bike from ecu but the resolution of oem ecus sometimes isn't the greatest, adding a pcv can compensate for all of that. Yes Dynojet provides ignition modules but that you can do on the ecu with no problem.
@@tysta2 Much appreciated, this really helps the decision process going forward. Learned a few things from this, respect
Why is the Eu model coming out the gate with 214hp? Is it just an ECU thing that we need to bypass in the states? Because we only get 188hp
Yes the ecu is not as restricted as the US model. That's been a thing for years now with all the Japanese bikes.
@@EnviedKing I didn’t know that was a thing. I’ve always owned aprilia and MV Agusta. This year is the first year I’ve dabbled in the Japanese bikes
what tail tidy is that?
So what happened to the head and cammed zx10r that wasnt running good
Soon will be on the dyno....
That bike had some issues that were caused by the shop that did the headwork. There was RTV covering the water jackets for one and I'm not sure why you would use rtv when the head gasket works just fine. I'm sure ricardo will make a video better explaining what was done to rectify that mess
@@EnviedKing Srw did the work correct.
@@Stage2_392 correct
that 219 is at the crank though? Can't be from the wheel, right? :D
That at the rubber my brotha
@@joeditz48 then it makes 245+ at the crank??
I'm wondering the same thing???
@@megapet777 well, it's a newer bike, more efficient, that 15% drivetrain loss isn't really relevant now, better and lighter components sap less power.
@@vasilisgreen Even if that's the case, there still should be like 10% loss
Hp. is wheel ? as cranksfhat ..?
Hp in wheels bro ❤️🔥 219hp
the gear the bike is in shouldn't matter, the drum measures force and co-relates it with engine RPM, gear ratio and tire circumference to determine power. higher gear=lower force but more wheel rotation. Lower gear=More force but fewer rotations, it should all even out to the same power. The engine makes always the same power regardless of gear ratio, power reading at the wheel shouldn't change based on gear because power is proportional to torque and rpm. something doesn't add up with that. Also, the ZX-10 has a longer stroke, it will always make more power lower at the rev range for the same amount of fuel burnt. Honda has a bigger total displacement yes, 1.9cc more but that's less than 1% while the ZX-10R has like a 13% longer stroke, it will make considerably more torque for the same amount of Air-Fuel mixture burned at any given RPM, but it doesn't rev as high, it has smaller throttle bodies and valves, it sucks in less air and when the Honda starts to rev and actually suck in proper air, the zx is out of it. Considering how much bigger Honda's valves and throttle bodies are, it's impressive how the Ninja can stay on top for so far up the rev range. this CBR has so much potential. EDIT: I don't know the story behind that ZX-10 so i assumed it had a stock motor. I watched the video again in some parts and that bike has a name? is it some project build? does it have a stock motor or has there been work done to it?
The gear you dyno in does matter. From 4th gear to 5th gear the bike picks up 3-5hp. The bike doesn't make the same power in every gear. If you haven't had a bike on a dyno and tested this as we have then you wouldn't understand.
@@EnviedKing or you can explain why
Sup with that mask bro?
Lol
Whoever owns this bike better hold tf on.....
ruclips.net/video/D5IFJ_0n9eM/видео.html take a look at that lockingnut for the chainadjuster - completely loose :-(
looks like KWS dyno lol
Its weak in the mid range. With two equal weight riders assuming the gearing is the same, a gsxr, zx10r. bmw would walk this bike.
yes but you're supposed to gear a bike with its power curve in mind. if every motor had the same gearing always then everyone would make the same motor to go with that fixed gearing, there's no point in that.
Huh!!!! What in the hell are you talking about tune in through a piggyback add-on is never better than through the actual computer clearly this guy does not know what he’s talking about 🤦🏻♂️ it’s easier to do fuel tuning through a power commander add-on yes because it has an auto tune function and it just auto populates but no way in hell is the resolution better and you can only do fueling not the other 10 million things that you can do in the EC you this is complete garbage baloney nonsense ignorance
You clearly are lost my friend. The resolution insire the PCV is much better for tuning than doing it through the ECU. By resolution I mean the amount of different RPM points of adjustments. Any competent tuner will tell you the same thing and not to mention its easier to tune fueling with the PCV than the ECU because there's no flashing involved and changes can be made while the bike is still running on the dyno. So take your disrespect elsewhere because its not warrantied here when you're directing it at people who do this for a living.
@@EnviedKing if power commander is cheaper and has higher resolution and is more accurate why does no top team use it? Granted powercommander might have a resolution down to 250 rpm but that doesn’t make it better than tuning the native ecu…..
@@barringtonsharpe2402 the teams don't use retail ECUs, like, come on. Do you think BSB and WSBK use the retail ECU that comes with the bike in the dealership? Of course not, they're using a race ECU made for the specific purpose of RACING. Be it the HRC part for superstock races (in the case of honda) or the MoTeC ECU in BSB. Superstock allows a power commander but is a PCV more accurate than the HRC part? it's definitely cheaper.