Hi Gemily, You will see this on your Snellen, as I do. You will see momentary "flashes", of 20/50 (bright light) and then back to 20/80. Perfectly normal. As the period of wearing a minus decreases, the period of clear flashes will increase. That is how I got back to 20/20.
11 yaşında Çocuğumda (miyop -1.25) siliyer kas egzersizleri, açık hava etkinlikleri ve digital kısıtlama yaptıktan sonra 20/15 den 20/25 e çıktı ( egzersizler sonrasında gözlerini sık kırpma, kısma ve ovma gibi problemleri oldu) ileride sizin söylediğiniz gibi çocuğum 20/10 a tekrar döner mi
Hi Gem, You have made a brave effort. I appreciate that truth. In the future, people who make a brave effort at 20/50, could get to 20/30 (pass DRIVER LICENSE). That is certainly my dream.
We need sunlight period..... The sunlight stimulates the production of various biochemicals in the eye cells in particular melatonin in the mitochondria. The spasms are not just confined to the cilial muscles but demonstrably to all the eye muscles which locks the eyes in place over time. This leads to reduced blood flow to the eyes, reduced oxygen, and reduced nutrients. The entire eye ball structure becomes rigid. Like your back when you pick up leaves for 15 minutes. The laws of muscles and Newtonian optics. The Truth is a balance between Bates and Steiner. Continuing we could give an explanation of astigmatism and how to reverse it. All this requires braking of bad habits, returning to nature, and good nutrition and looking at distant objects. J Froelich Ph.D mathematics, NSF postdoc, IT consultant etc...........
i have it and can't use my computer anymore (can't focus properly but everything look clear while the distance objects look blurry until i blink and also i'm blinking a lot sometimes when try to focus)
I'm new to this... My spasm starts after literally 5 minutes after I start any close work. I need to ditch my phone, so Ive been using it for phone only this week. Any videos on measuring distance? I follow Nathan Oxenfeld and Mark Warren.
Yeah, phones are really good at keeping our eyes in spasm and in strain - filling all those spare moments where our eyes would be getting a break looking around with another tiny screen looking even closer. Restricting you phone use is a really good idea. This is the only video I have made on measuring so far: ruclips.net/video/HBsjw5nBrr8/видео.html
I pop my normalised back in for my breaks. Your eyes need stimulus - so an achievable challenge. When my ciliary is locked up, even with my normalised there is a bit too much blur. When my ciliary releases things look nice and clear again. It's quite relaxing actually.
Gemily Mez I’ve been thinking, I dont work with screens. I work with plants so a few mins of staring close at plant and then walking and focal changes. Which would be better differentials or normalised?
That's a good idea! As for me these days my phone use is minumal. So much so that I charged it four days ago and it stil has 33%. I found the solution in checking all my social media and chats with my laptop. And now it's way easier for me since I sadly have to stay at home all the time. So maybe we should add something like '30 minutes a day phone use challenge'. Have a nice day!
I love this idea! Yes, now would be the perfect time to get off phones, as we no longer need a computer in our pocket - we have one accessible all the time anyway.
Using Plus, your eyes don't have to go into ''close-up mode'' contracting the eyes muscles to be able to read. That protects from pseudomyopia, or ''eye spam myopia''. Plus lens actually stimulates your eyes to get less myopia (the axial leg gets short) too, so it is a win-win situation.
have you ever tried using cyclopentolate to stop the spasm ? i noticed my upper eyelid pain went after I have an optometrist visit where I was given cyclopentolate to paralyze my ciliary muscles to ensure a good refraction measurement
How I measure is included in this video here: ruclips.net/video/ThN7IZtucoI/видео.html (The link I have given you will start the video at 11:05, where I start talking about the measuring). My breaks are after every 20 minutes of close up time. So after I have been doing 20 minutes of close up time, I get up and look out the window into the distance for at least 60 seconds.
Good stuff. I'd join you on the challenge, but I'm 82 days on my own 100 day challenge. Working from home, so I should have time to do an update video on that once I finish.
Its It's impossible to remove your smartphone away may be reduce time using it ,, cillirry spasm with spasm ofaccumidation is problem I have since 6 years now I have difficulty reading but I can see vedio because it's not taking big effort moving your eyes from side to side I love this challenge but i don't know what is your result yet ,when I went to measure for glasses I know idont need they say I right eye eye measure less 5 30 ,, left eye 5 Haha sound crazy I see everything but my eye get tired fast so blurring dipl vesion start
hey!👋🏻 I saw your comment on Cathrin Mannings video and decided to pop by and check your channel out! Great content! Keep it up! It inspires me to see others crushing it!❤️
Oh, wow. Thank you so much for coming over to have a peep at my channel. And to comment! That is so lovely of you. Isn't Cathrin's channel great? I love her stuff so much.
Thank you so much for this video . I've been wearing my differentials at home all day long . does this have an effect on my vision ? Because I'm afraid to get stuck in blur adaptation
I think your concern is valid. I tried wearing differentials all the time starting when all this lockdown began. I figured "I'm staying home all the time now. I am hardly ever doing anything more than an arm-length away anyway." But then the headaches came. Took me a while to work out why I was getting massive headaches every day. It was the glasses. And NottNott mentions in his most recent video (ruclips.net/video/fN2KbzQpVBQ/видео.html) that he too recommends just wearing normalised at home, and yep, he was blur adapted so I reckon he knows what he is talking about there. I would not recommend wearing your differentials all the time at home.
@@GemilyMez thank you so much . I realised that I have eye strain after wearing my diffs all day long but I rarely have headaches I also noticed that my vision isn't improving that much so I thought maybe because I stuck in the close up mood for a long period of time .but when I try to look in daylight in sun I realized that my eyes are able to look at things pretty far so much clear with diffs but they become so teary quickly and I begun to sneeze
The 3cm fluctuation was just from measuring as I show in this video: ruclips.net/video/ThN7IZtucoI/видео.html Sometime I get one number, like 36cm, and sometimes I get another number, like 39cm. I find that 3 cm is the amount I fluctuate over the course of a day or a week. I can go up and down within that range without it necessarily meaning I have improved or worsened.
The very first time it took me about a week of good habits to get that 3cm jump that I get when my ciliary releases. That was pretty much zero phone time for a week. Made a big difference.
Hey really love your videos, been following the endmyopia method for a while. I’ve got normalised of 0.50 less than my prescription, I just wondered when you’re looking at your eye chart is the 20/20 line blurry and you can’t make out the letters or does it look lower quality that you can still read? I’m wondering because I can read the whole chart with my normalised even though I haven’t made any progress wondering if it’s the wrong script.
I just reduced my normalised a couple of days ago and can no longer read the 20/20 line. Before that though, I could read the 20/20, and even get a couple of letters in the 20/15. It wasn't crystal clear though (unless I stared at it for a while and did some pulling focus). I'm still working out whether it was the right time to reduce, but I think it was. And only 0.25 diopters less, and now I can't read the 20/20 anymore! Are these your first pair of normalised?
Gemily Mez thanks for your reply! Yeah it’s my first pair of normalised. When I compare it to my full correction it just looks like a lower quality but not really blurry and I can read the whole eye chart so I’m not really sure if it’s okay or not
@@ShinySian18 I think it depends how much blur you want. It'll give you some challenge, but if you want more challenge, especially outside in good sunlight, you may want to push down a little further. Ultimately, it's about your comfort vs challenge at this point. Have fun!!
Ok. Gem you are right, I've been doing this same habit and I hate being addicted to this thing. Maybe if I use it as a phone instead of a computer. Day 0.5 / 100. Wot wot.
Haha, fair question. 😆 I explain that in this video: ruclips.net/video/Q87A18cdE6k/видео.html (skip forward to 11:32 in that video to get straight to my answer).
Because I had habitual ciliary spasm, which I had been in for almost 10 years because of my lifestyle (wearing full-prescription even for close up, and being on my phone screen a lot), it took me a full week to release my ciliary spasm, and I only managed in the end by having a full week without my phone. Now, I can release ciliary spasm much quicker, because I don't fall into such bad habits for such a lengthy period of time.
If you just started this method, you can still do this! Actually, it's a great time to do this, as releasing your ciliary spasm comes before axial shortening. So make sure you don't wear full prescription when doing close up, take breaks to look into the distance for a minutes or two every 20 minutes when you are working on a screen, be really low on phone screen use, and just look into the distance as much as you can! Do you have differentials yet? Do you know your measurements?
Sorry, we are not allowed to give diopter specific advice. But that's great you have found EndMyopia! Here are some links that may help you work out what is best for you. wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/Guide:Reducing_differentials endmyopia.org/choose-reduced-glasses-prescription-differential-close-friendly-glasses/
Distance vision. Not using your smartphone or any hand-held screen at all. Sitting far enough away from your computer. Being on the edge of blur on your computers. Taking breaks from screens every 20 minutes to look into the distance. Pretty much, minimise close up as much as possible, and where you can't minimise, at least be gentle on your ciliary.
Can you please suggest me my differential diopters for close up work??? My left eye is -1. 50 and right eye is-1. 25 so that I can get it reduced to -50 quicker so that I can see 6/9 which is my goal..and I am not wearing glasses at all.
I think I meant that after the opto increases your correction a couple of times, you will have to wear your glasses all the time, and won't be able to function without them.
You will find you are able to focus a little better on distant objects. You may not notice immediately though, that's why taking cm measurements can help at first. Once you are in the habit of noticing eye strain, you will be able to release your ciliary more quickly, and then you will be able to feel/see the difference. But at first, cms to blur would be the best indicator in my opinion.
@@willywonka6775 No, clear flashes are different. Getting the tear film over your eye is more similar to a clear flash. The ciliary release only adds a little bit. It would be the difference in vision of someone who has -2.5 diopters being able to see -2.25. So, not clear, just slightly better. If you can successfully active focus - so clear up some blur, then that is a good sign too - it is very hard to do AF when you have ciliary spasm.
Hard to describe. I think it can come with a gentle stinging sensation when you are first releasing the spasm. After your ciliary is comfortable moving again though, the ciliary release feels like a little relief, it feels relaxing, even though you need to be intentional about doing it.
Hi Gemily,
You will see this on your Snellen, as I do.
You will see momentary "flashes", of 20/50 (bright light) and then back to 20/80.
Perfectly normal.
As the period of wearing a minus decreases, the period of clear flashes will increase.
That is how I got back to 20/20.
Thanks, Otie.
So you wore glasses with a weaker prescription than you were given or what?
11 yaşında Çocuğumda (miyop -1.25) siliyer kas egzersizleri, açık hava etkinlikleri ve digital kısıtlama yaptıktan sonra 20/15 den 20/25 e çıktı ( egzersizler sonrasında gözlerini sık kırpma, kısma ve ovma gibi problemleri oldu) ileride sizin söylediğiniz gibi çocuğum 20/10 a tekrar döner mi
Hi Gem,
You have made a brave effort.
I appreciate that truth.
In the future, people who make a brave effort at 20/50, could get to 20/30 (pass DRIVER LICENSE).
That is certainly my dream.
When I started it was 14,15 and now I have 19,20
We need sunlight period..... The sunlight stimulates the production of various biochemicals in the eye cells in particular melatonin in the mitochondria. The spasms are not just confined to the cilial muscles but demonstrably to all the eye muscles which locks the eyes in place over time. This leads to reduced blood flow to the eyes, reduced oxygen, and reduced nutrients. The entire eye ball structure becomes rigid. Like your back when you pick up leaves for 15 minutes. The laws of muscles and Newtonian optics. The Truth is a balance between Bates and Steiner. Continuing we could give an explanation of astigmatism and how to reverse it. All this requires braking of bad habits, returning to nature, and good nutrition and looking at distant objects. J Froelich Ph.D mathematics, NSF postdoc, IT consultant etc...........
A great idea!
Hi Gem,
Always a great interest and success!
I got rid of my close work - a long time ago!
Good to see your efforts
i have it and can't use my computer anymore (can't focus properly but everything look clear while the distance objects look blurry until i blink and also i'm blinking a lot sometimes when try to focus)
I'm new to this... My spasm starts after literally 5 minutes after I start any close work. I need to ditch my phone, so Ive been using it for phone only this week. Any videos on measuring distance? I follow Nathan Oxenfeld and Mark Warren.
Yeah, phones are really good at keeping our eyes in spasm and in strain - filling all those spare moments where our eyes would be getting a break looking around with another tiny screen looking even closer. Restricting you phone use is a really good idea. This is the only video I have made on measuring so far: ruclips.net/video/HBsjw5nBrr8/видео.html
For low myopia, just quit minus and use plus for all close-ups, and you'll never have ciliary spasm again...
I'm in! Do you look into the distance every 20 mins with or without distance glasses during close-up breaks? I have high diopters over -6/-7.
I pop my normalised back in for my breaks. Your eyes need stimulus - so an achievable challenge.
When my ciliary is locked up, even with my normalised there is a bit too much blur. When my ciliary releases things look nice and clear again. It's quite relaxing actually.
Gemily Mez Okay that makes sense. Will pop my normalised on, but does there have to be blur challenge even with the short 20/20/20 breaks?
Gemily Mez I’ve been thinking, I dont work with screens. I work with plants so a few mins of staring close at plant and then walking and focal changes. Which would be better differentials or normalised?
How did you go this week?
@@GemilyMez yes the function of CILIARY MUSCLE is to maintain the shape of eye balls ,and hence vision👍👍
That's a good idea! As for me these days my phone use is minumal. So much so that I charged it four days ago and it stil has 33%. I found the solution in checking all my social media and chats with my laptop. And now it's way easier for me since I sadly have to stay at home all the time. So maybe we should add something like '30 minutes a day phone use challenge'. Have a nice day!
I love this idea! Yes, now would be the perfect time to get off phones, as we no longer need a computer in our pocket - we have one accessible all the time anyway.
I love you Elena your eyes very beautiful
what's the music being played please
Does the ciliary muscle relax with reading glasses?
It is relaxed when you use a plus lens when reading.
Using Plus, your eyes don't have to go into ''close-up mode'' contracting the eyes muscles to be able to read. That protects from pseudomyopia, or ''eye spam myopia''. Plus lens actually stimulates your eyes to get less myopia (the axial leg gets short) too, so it is a win-win situation.
have you ever tried using cyclopentolate to stop the spasm ? i noticed my upper eyelid pain went after I have an optometrist visit where I was given cyclopentolate to paralyze my ciliary muscles to ensure a good refraction measurement
How do you learn what your centimeters are? All new to me. Was it a cell phone that you threw behind you saying that's a lot of the problem?
can you make a vide on how you measure and what are your daily habits for this challenge? how long are breaks after how long of close up work
How I measure is included in this video here: ruclips.net/video/ThN7IZtucoI/видео.html
(The link I have given you will start the video at 11:05, where I start talking about the measuring).
My breaks are after every 20 minutes of close up time. So after I have been doing 20 minutes of close up time, I get up and look out the window into the distance for at least 60 seconds.
Good stuff. I'd join you on the challenge, but I'm 82 days on my own 100 day challenge. Working from home, so I should have time to do an update video on that once I finish.
Ooh, only a couple of weeks away!!! I'm keen for the update!!
thanks! I'm enjoying all your videos, too. This working from home thing and quarantine has certainly thrown all of us, but we just keep going...
I have -0.5 power and have to remove it before it become worse
Gemily will help you.
I got out of -0.75 Diopters.
@@otiebrown9999 how can u tell me
@@prachisharma295 Didi any improvement?
Hi Gemily,
I accept the challenge. Just need to know what do I have to do to find out what my ciliary spasm distance is?
Just keep measuring each day with the EndMyopia filter calculator, and pay attention to any significant changes as you implement good habits. :)
Wow!!! I clicked on this video for nothing. I thought you were going to say something that I did know
Its It's impossible to remove your smartphone away may be reduce time using it ,, cillirry spasm with spasm ofaccumidation is problem I have since 6 years now I have difficulty reading but I can see vedio because it's not taking big effort moving your eyes from side to side
I love this challenge but i don't know what is your result yet ,when I went to measure for glasses I know idont need they say I right eye eye measure less 5 30 ,, left eye 5 Haha sound crazy I see everything but my eye get tired fast so blurring dipl vesion start
hey!👋🏻 I saw your comment on Cathrin Mannings video and decided to pop by and check your channel out! Great content! Keep it up! It inspires me to see others crushing it!❤️
Oh, wow. Thank you so much for coming over to have a peep at my channel. And to comment! That is so lovely of you. Isn't Cathrin's channel great? I love her stuff so much.
Thank you so much for this video . I've been wearing my differentials at home all day long . does this have an effect on my vision ? Because I'm afraid to get stuck in blur adaptation
I think your concern is valid. I tried wearing differentials all the time starting when all this lockdown began. I figured "I'm staying home all the time now. I am hardly ever doing anything more than an arm-length away anyway." But then the headaches came. Took me a while to work out why I was getting massive headaches every day. It was the glasses.
And NottNott mentions in his most recent video (ruclips.net/video/fN2KbzQpVBQ/видео.html) that he too recommends just wearing normalised at home, and yep, he was blur adapted so I reckon he knows what he is talking about there.
I would not recommend wearing your differentials all the time at home.
@@GemilyMez thank you so much . I realised that I have eye strain after wearing my diffs all day long but I rarely have headaches I also noticed that my vision isn't improving that much so I thought maybe because I stuck in the close up mood for a long period of time .but when I try to look in daylight in sun I realized that my eyes are able to look at things pretty far so much clear with diffs but they become so teary quickly and I begun to sneeze
@@eyatoujani2242 Haha! You sneeze when it is sunny too?
@@GemilyMez ohh yeah
@Jibon Sarkar they are still improving but not that much
I have accomodation spasm for 3 moths, how long does it take to end or stop? My diopter is -0,5.
How did you get 3 cm? and what does that mean
The 3cm fluctuation was just from measuring as I show in this video:
ruclips.net/video/ThN7IZtucoI/видео.html
Sometime I get one number, like 36cm, and sometimes I get another number, like 39cm.
I find that 3 cm is the amount I fluctuate over the course of a day or a week. I can go up and down within that range without it necessarily meaning I have improved or worsened.
I will join you :) Thank you for your great and helpful content! How long did it take you the first time to release your ciliary spasm?
The very first time it took me about a week of good habits to get that 3cm jump that I get when my ciliary releases. That was pretty much zero phone time for a week. Made a big difference.
@@GemilyMez Wow, okay, thanks ❤️
@@GemilyMez You should do a "daily routine" video. Maybe what you were doing on a daily basis before and now the virus has started :)
@@prmsolver Great idea! I will keep that in mind.
@@GemilyMez one question please, if I want to release my ciliary spasm is it required to stop wearing glasses ?
Hey really love your videos, been following the endmyopia method for a while. I’ve got normalised of 0.50 less than my prescription, I just wondered when you’re looking at your eye chart is the 20/20 line blurry and you can’t make out the letters or does it look lower quality that you can still read?
I’m wondering because I can read the whole chart with my normalised even though I haven’t made any progress wondering if it’s the wrong script.
I just reduced my normalised a couple of days ago and can no longer read the 20/20 line. Before that though, I could read the 20/20, and even get a couple of letters in the 20/15. It wasn't crystal clear though (unless I stared at it for a while and did some pulling focus). I'm still working out whether it was the right time to reduce, but I think it was. And only 0.25 diopters less, and now I can't read the 20/20 anymore! Are these your first pair of normalised?
Gemily Mez thanks for your reply! Yeah it’s my first pair of normalised. When I compare it to my full correction it just looks like a lower quality but not really blurry and I can read the whole eye chart so I’m not really sure if it’s okay or not
@@ShinySian18 I think it depends how much blur you want. It'll give you some challenge, but if you want more challenge, especially outside in good sunlight, you may want to push down a little further. Ultimately, it's about your comfort vs challenge at this point. Have fun!!
Jibon Sarkar the same really but I think I’ve found active focus I’m not sure. I haven’t had any change in measurements and can only AF outside
Jibon Sarkar I hardly do any close up, most of my day is distance vision and I’m going for long walks
It’s a slow process so let’s see
Ok. Gem you are right, I've been doing this same habit and I hate being addicted to this thing. Maybe if I use it as a phone instead of a computer.
Day 0.5 / 100. Wot wot.
Exactly right! Use it as a phone! You can do it!
I will join with you. very lovely video
How is it going?
Why would you have a Jake Steiner background image on your smartphone?
Haha, fair question. 😆 I explain that in this video: ruclips.net/video/Q87A18cdE6k/видео.html (skip forward to 11:32 in that video to get straight to my answer).
What if I just started this method? How long does it take to release ciliary spasm?
Because I had habitual ciliary spasm, which I had been in for almost 10 years because of my lifestyle (wearing full-prescription even for close up, and being on my phone screen a lot), it took me a full week to release my ciliary spasm, and I only managed in the end by having a full week without my phone. Now, I can release ciliary spasm much quicker, because I don't fall into such bad habits for such a lengthy period of time.
If you just started this method, you can still do this! Actually, it's a great time to do this, as releasing your ciliary spasm comes before axial shortening. So make sure you don't wear full prescription when doing close up, take breaks to look into the distance for a minutes or two every 20 minutes when you are working on a screen, be really low on phone screen use, and just look into the distance as much as you can! Do you have differentials yet? Do you know your measurements?
Interesting
My right eye has -11.5with -5 cylinder ng right eyw -9 with-2.5 cylinder plz suggest me differential diopter for my closeup work .. i am new here
Sorry, we are not allowed to give diopter specific advice. But that's great you have found EndMyopia! Here are some links that may help you work out what is best for you.
wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/Guide:Reducing_differentials
endmyopia.org/choose-reduced-glasses-prescription-differential-close-friendly-glasses/
What are some ways t reduce ciliary spasm / relax eyes
Distance vision. Not using your smartphone or any hand-held screen at all. Sitting far enough away from your computer. Being on the edge of blur on your computers. Taking breaks from screens every 20 minutes to look into the distance. Pretty much, minimise close up as much as possible, and where you can't minimise, at least be gentle on your ciliary.
Can you please suggest me my differential diopters for close up work??? My left eye is -1. 50 and right eye is-1. 25 so that I can get it reduced to -50 quicker so that I can see 6/9 which is my goal..and I am not wearing glasses at all.
At that level, you do not need any glasses for close up. Take your glasses off for close up work. Yay!
@@GemilyMez Tysm 🤓
How's it going
What do you mean by 3 prescriptions later you will need glasses, thanks for your time
I think I meant that after the opto increases your correction a couple of times, you will have to wear your glasses all the time, and won't be able to function without them.
I'm in
How did you go this week?
I am in.
Woohoo! Let's do this!!
@@GemilyMez I almost never use my phone since 2 months ago.
How did you go this week?
@@GemilyMezI used it for a little bit, but I truly regret it.
Hey, I'm in
How did you go??
How's it going
How do we know when the ciliary is releasing ??
You will find you are able to focus a little better on distant objects. You may not notice immediately though, that's why taking cm measurements can help at first. Once you are in the habit of noticing eye strain, you will be able to release your ciliary more quickly, and then you will be able to feel/see the difference. But at first, cms to blur would be the best indicator in my opinion.
@@GemilyMez so the ciliary release is basically a clear flash ?
@@willywonka6775 No, clear flashes are different. Getting the tear film over your eye is more similar to a clear flash. The ciliary release only adds a little bit. It would be the difference in vision of someone who has -2.5 diopters being able to see -2.25. So, not clear, just slightly better.
If you can successfully active focus - so clear up some blur, then that is a good sign too - it is very hard to do AF when you have ciliary spasm.
@@GemilyMez so what does ciliary release feel ?
Hard to describe. I think it can come with a gentle stinging sensation when you are first releasing the spasm. After your ciliary is comfortable moving again though, the ciliary release feels like a little relief, it feels relaxing, even though you need to be intentional about doing it.
Hello I'm new
Welcome! 🙂
How's it going
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I'm in
Yes! Let me know how it goes!