Tesla Cybertruck vs Ford F-150 Lightning Ultimate Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 19 июл 2024
- I compare a Long Range Foundation Series Tesla Cybertruck to my Ford F-150 Lightning to determine which is the best electric pickup truck for me.
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Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:55 The categories I'll be comparing
02:57 Cost
05:11 Off-road capabilities
06:19 ADAS
07:59 Appearance
10:44 Power and Handling
17:11 Interior comfort and ride
19:18 Offloading power
23:34 Payload and Towing
25:29 Glass roofs
27:45 Beds
29:46 Charging
34:11 Range
36:18 Frunks
37:01 Software
38:28 Scoring
40:01 Bonus: Availability
41:39 Summary
43:47 All-wheel steering
48:55 Outro
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I have the same exact truck as Tom. I love it and have no desire for the CT. Out on the road or driving around town it is so comfortable it keeps a smile on my face.
You nailed it. Tesla has never been known for interiors regardless of price. Ford and GM can easily beat them there and are doing it.
100% with you on this 👍🏼
Same
Can you use its built-in inverter while charging the truck on a lvl2? Asking because I want a replacement for my f250.
@@ElMistroFeroz
Yes, you can use the build in inverter while charging it level 2 or any chargers 1 to dc charger.
Lemme just say that the way you chunked this video up into sections is MUCH appreciated! I think I ended up watching start to finish, but being able to jump to sections like this really helps!
Actually I am not that surprised at your choice. I have a relative that bought a Lightning mostly because the dealer pretty much sold it way below MSRP. He was going to just get a standard F-150 but got the Lightning cheaper than the ICE version. He's a contractor and has a ranch home and doesn't go long distances everything less than 100 miles. He loves that thing now always brags about not needing to pay rogue states to fuel his truck. 🤣 We are going to see how far we can tow a bass boat he is about 80 miles away from a large lake. The Camp site has 50 amp outlets for the RVs. We will see how that goes. Thanks for all your content!
Rogue states? The US is self-sufficient with regards to oil and even exports it. Most shale oil fields flare natural gas that is extracted with the oil because there is not enough capacity to transport it.
I’m pretty happy with my Lightning purchase. Plus I got it like 20k under MSRP so it makes it hard for the other EV trucks on the market to compete.
Same here! It's a great deal!
If Ford matched the Silverado EV battery size and got similar range the Ford Lightening would be unbeatable as an EV.
I'm glad Ford is finally dropping the prices. Last time I looked they were charging way over MSRP. It made me consider the CT instead.
I'd keep the F-150 Lightning.
Ford cuts planned 2024 production of electric F-150 Lightning in half. These are failing massive
@@brianconrad9618They should have started slow like Tesla. Thay can't afford to lose so much money on every truck.
"How many level 2 chargers can fit in the frunk" is the most State of Charge unit of measurement I've ever seen.
Once the CT gets the update for home use 🙄
Level 2 chargers have to be hardwired to the socket,what you are talking about are level 1 chargers which are portable enough to fit in the ev trunk,of course there are level 2 chargers that can be plugged through regular sockets but they're limited in charging capacity due to it.
@@newguy954 No, he was correct. It was a 48-amp level 2 EVSE.
I loved my Lightning. On the glass roof, it’s also noteworthy that the Lightning has a functional, opening sunroof vs fixed glass in the CT
What happened to it?
Yes, I agree it’s essential for me. Will take time for OEMs to create an electric like they have for other Teslas. BTW, a sunshade is included with the foundation edition
Tom will make a good Professor he knows how to teach like real teaching and you just understand you don't need to ask questions..
I would imagine that he is doing better than many professors, unless he was offered a job at the Ivy League.
@@midnight4109 exactly because many of them tell you to go figure out they really don't teach..
The blacked out lightbar on the Lightning looks sooo much better!
How did he do the lightbar?
In my area I can essentially get a lightning for 45 to 50 K because they have so much inventory versus a cyber truck which is 100 K I if I can essentially buy two of one truck it’s a no-brainer
polarbearigloo What is your area?
I have a 2023 platinum lightning. Love it! And the cost saving having a pro charger at my house and the NYS credit program for charging at night makes it amazing. I used to spend 60$ a week on gas
This is a quite fair review. Two different trucks which will appeal to different consumers
Great review! Thank you! 🙏
Few points:
1. In 6 months or so CyberTruck will win several categories that Lightning won here
2. Home charging - most people will be able to charge 12 hours overnight so 99.9% of the time it’s not an issue. Also, with charging you MUST take into consideration the efficiency. Given CT does MORE miles with smaller battery which means that the gap in AC charging per miles charged is likely tiny - maybe 20% that given significantly better DC charging (which would happen once in a millennia unless you’re doing road trip) is a non issue. I’d say CT wins. Also, bills will be lower due to better CT efficiency.
3. Pretty sure that once you’ll be able to get a non foundation CT (next year?) you’ll get one 😅 - we’ll have to wait and see…
Again - thank you for the great review. Keep them coming.
Looking forward to a 1 year review of the CT once all the features are available and pricing goes back to non foundation pricing. Winning the truck game is a marathon, not a sprint.
Finally, although pricy, for those towing, once available, the range extender battery will be a game changer. Would love to see a review of that as well. 🙏🙏🙏
Yes you are right the Ford is the way better value for money!
I saw a Cybertruck on the road last week. Yes, it stood out.
I’m working at Ford dealer, I know the F150 Lightning battery has separate 12 battery packs those are connected together. Therefore, it is cheaper to replace the battery if one of those packs is failed. I don’t know much about Tesla CT battery, but I think the battery is a whole unit, and couldn’t be replaced separately. Thank you for great review and comparing.
Ford cuts planned 2024 production of electric F-150 Lightning in half
Ps why does ford have to cut price 20k make a sell people buying CT. Fast as they build. And they build ten times more ford. Is ford still building ? Still lose 40k for every truck wow some fall hook line sinker for the next bailout .. one more big point OEMs fraud numbers they say how many trucks sold as soon as they stick dealer with floor plan. Drive by see not being sold. Tesla only counts sale when cash paid !! As ex dealer floor plan sucks in slow sales period. Come up with million floor plan not sold. Dealers dropping like flies
Whether the battery cells come packaged in one package or twelve, replacing only the defective cells may or may not be a recommended option. If testing the cells does indicate cell-by-cell replacement rather than whole battery replacement, it would be somewhat cheaper for the fords 12-pack of batteries, but if all cells degrade reasonably the same amount over time (as they are "designed" to do), then this is a moot point. We are talking about over eight years (when the battery warranty runs out). This is usually a problem for the 2nd or 3rd owner of the truck as most people sell their evs before the warranty runs out.
One of the few reviews I would trust. Thanks Tom.
The Ford F150 Lightning won over the R1T. Let’s see if it remains in the garage. When (how many years) Tesla home powering becomes available will it be like the truck: will it cost more? The bed is tapered on the Cybertruck so after the forth 4x8 sheet they extend beyond the gate. Neither will do long haul trailering well so why did Ford waist putting in the extra torque if it wasn’t for around town towing weight under smoother easier control?🤷🏻Cybertruck does well on road trips when its slight range advantage runs out especially on an Electrify America 350kW native 800V territory. I can pack in 62kW in 22 minutes starting at 0% to 82% so I can attest this is nice when needed. However with 90% of all energy being added over a year has been with AC at home that clearly is a huge advantage Lightning has. Great review Tom even if we can agree to disagree about the looks. You blend in better with the Ford. 😉 48:58
In my opinion the Rivian R1T has a lot to like over the Ford F-150 Lightning however it's only a four and a half foot bed, the Rivian is really in a different category in terms of size. Like comparing a 5 seater SUV to a 7 seater IMO.
@@Aegisx5 Tom and I are older and although I don’t have a bad back I could see how lifting a cooler or a bag of mulch in and out of each front truck would set them apart in that regard. Did I over think this or is the Rivian best suited for a lot of little things up front that aren’t as heavy which is a typical use case?
@garyclark6747 although the Ford has an easier opening I think it's a bigger truck in general, and also doesn't have air suspension like the Rivian that can drop into a squatted kneel mode, so I would bet ultimately they would be pretty on par as far as loading and unloading. For me it really depends what you intend to haul in the back, and if you need a 6 foot bed, or if 4 1/2 feet is plenty. If it's just a vehicle for grabbing some things at the Home Depot than the smaller Rivian is probably more than adequate. For me I would use it as a work vehicle and fitting larger ladders in the back of a smaller truck like that can be a bit challenging.
CT may charge well on some brands of 800V chargers, but officially it cannot charge on CCS, since Tesla has failed to provide a CCS adapter that is compatible with the Cybertruck. You have to kludge together an adapter stack and ignore all the safety specifications to pull it off.
I just want to take a moment to say the quality of your content, your dedication, and hard work to the channel is superb. I really don't know why you're not nearing a million subscribers. I suspect one day you will. Keep going man!
I've had 2 F150's in my life. I STILL miss the road trip comfort. You can't beat the room and the comfort of an F150.
I have a 2023 Tesla M3 RWD, btw :)
Thank you. I get a lot of comments that say similarly complimentary things. I've been adding subs at a pretty good pace ~ 2K per month or so. I think it's harder to "blow up" quickly when you don't do a lot of controversial or click-bait type of content. Also, there are a lot of EV creators so I'm competing in a space with many other channels, some of which are better than I am at gaming RUclips's algorithms.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney This is true about competing in a crowded space, also the crowd of interested types is probably rather narrow. I'm sure you heard of Electrified with Dillon Loomis - he has a little over 100k subscribers and he's worth a million too!
I thought that this was such a fair well thought out comparison that I had to subscribe
Just got my CT a week ago. Don't have a level 2 charger yet, and Tesla hasn't told me when to even expect it. That's an issue.
That said, range is already better than my Y LR, and charges just a bit slower (%) on the superchargers.
Interior is very quite and the ride is amazing to me. But my other truck is a '06 Ram Megacab, so take that for what it's worth.
The sun visor isn't an issue if you sit up higher. If sitting lower, you can folks it the extension and have it go up to cover the slit.
The bed on this thing is simply amazing.
There was no real thought put into the back seat, meh, my kids are basically out of the house, but we just road tripped 600 miles and they didn't complain other than it being a bit too upright.
If i wanted a family hauler or work truck, lightning for sure. As a commuter, around the property work truck, CT.
I pre ordered the day it was announced.
The lightning would suit my needs the most
Very nice comparison. Thank you.
More categories for a future comparison?:
- Maintenance costs
- Safety
- Ruggedness
- Resale value (+total cost of ownership)
Tesla has a terrible reputation for collision cost and delays, parts availability, and insurance cost. Any windshield service company can replace F-150 glass quickly, but Cybertruck?
@@Miata822On the other hand, Ford has the terrible reputation of being a Ford😋
I think the Cybertruck looks awesome.
It’s like the Hayabusa of trucks. The design is very polarizing but ultimately people tend to grow and lean towards it looking pretty badass.
IMO the Cybertruck and upcoming EV Chargers are the best looking EV’s.
About a month ago I received the Tesla email to configure my CT (I was about number 115,000 on the waiting list). Instead of proceeding, I applied for my CT deposit refund, sold my 2020 Model Y with 71k miles to Carvana for $23,500, and bought a 2023 Lightning Pro (all in for about $48k). For me, it was a question of affordability. If Tesla sold a dual motor CT for $60k, that would have been my choice (in a year or so while they work out most of the bugs). I wouldn't rule out selling my Ford in three to five years and springing for the least expensive dual motor CT. Then again, Ford should be out with its from the ground up Lightning by then. Plus the Chevy ev truck is looking pretty good. So, who knows.
Poor Ford. They are taking huge baths on these sales. How long can they keep it up?
@@ultrastoat3298 Luckily, Ford , like Tesla has other models that do make a profit so they can afford to invest in the future, like Tesla is doing with CT. Tesla does not release model by mode profitability, but I suspect CT is several years away from sales price being more than cost to produce
@@chriswestenskow5202 Tesla does not make cars that will not reach profitability. There is no pathway for the F150 Lightning to become profitable, ever. So this whole program was a loss leader. Meanwhile, their gasoline vehicle sales are on a permanent down trend as more and more people opt to buy EVs every year. And to make matters worse, as volumes of gasoline vehicles decline, they lose their economies, which then cuts into margins of an already shrinking product. It’s a tough road ahead for Ford and other legacy autos.
I traded a new Y in and bought a Lightning. No one ever mentions how expensive Tesla's are to insure (more than double for the Y over a Lightning). After four months, I really hated my model Y. The Lightning has been great!
Great analysis as usual. I think some subjective weighting of the categories for MOST pickup owners, puts the win very comfortably with the Lightning. Off-road?? No one is taking either of these things “off-roading”. Off-pavement, sure. Both are equally capable off-pavement. Scratch that category altogether. You gave the win to the Cybertruck bed?? What??? It’s smaller, harder to access, less versatile, and while it has an integrated tonneau, that comes with serious downsides. Totally disagree with CT winning for their bed. Looks- obviously subjective. Power and handling are likewise totally a matter of preference. I’ll take the cushy, floaty ride of the Lightning thanks. No sunshade on the Cybertruck?? Do they have some sort of magic heat blocking film that negates the need for one? Loved the video though and it really solidifies my confidence that the Lightning is the right choice for me. Software is the one and only thing that would tempt me towards a Tesla.
Disagree about DCFC while towing. I had to constantly disconnect when towing with my Model Y because of the rear-mount charge port. The Lightning charges nose-in which is a HUGE deal with a trailer.
The Lightning can use CCS stations and V3 Superchargers, which gives more flexibility. Those who frequent areas with V2 units may disagree.
I used to prefer the front loading charge ports myself, but after an Expedition totaled my first Bolt when it reversed into my car in a parking lot, I understand the reasoning with the rear ports: less blindspots when you pull out of parking.
@@Necrotron That's what rear cross traffic alert is for. I don't think any Tesla's have it but most luxury brands do.
@@bobthebuilder372 fun fact: it can freeze. That's what happened with the van that totalled my wife's HHR before the Expedition totaled my Bolt. The rear alert is handy, but the first thing the cop said to the driver that totaled my Bolt "parking rear-in is the BEST prevent to parking accidents".
Tom - awesome, unbiased review as always! Great side-by-side comparison. I have the identical Lightning to yours and use it all the time to do 'truck things'. One area that I've noticed a big difference on the interior of the two is the amount of smart storage in the Lightning - sunglass pop-down in the roof, two glove boxes, four cup holders in the center console and ones in each door. Under back seat storage that can be popped-up or folded flat for an almost fully flat back seat deck. Love the funk too, and the cover for the additional space makes a very useful divider if you have breakables - case of wine, grocery bags, etc., while the CT's frunk is truly a joke for a 19' long vehicle. Lastly - being able to actually OPEN the glass roof is awesome on hot summer days and, along with the rear window that also opens, allows me to run the truck without air conditioning in all but the hottest days, or when stuck in traffic.
As an owner of a Rivian R1T and a reservation holder for a Cybertruck (I have been invited to configure a Foundation series), I am leaning against buying the Cybertruck, at least in 2024. Maybe I might reconsider in a year or so when the Cybertruck is fully baked. But Half-baked, with too many missing features that we pay for upfront, no. I'm not interested in a manufacturer using me as a beta tester using my money.
Wait till that founder’s edition sucker tax falls off.
How about a Chevy Bolt?
Tom has this comparison nailed. This is a good review.
We really enjoy this video. We own a Lightning, and like yourself, we LOVE IT! Your video has a good an fair check list, BUT we differ in 2 areas. 1. The truck bed; you can't get access from the sides on the Cybertruck. I am 6'3" and use this all the time. As for the "Auto-bedcover" It's just another point of failure and is difficult to service (See Rivans "Auto-bedcover"). Which leads to number 2. In the end you talk about purchase access, but you leave out REPAIR access. I you have and accident or warranty issue. Ford has a better network and parts availability. The Cybertruck is the new shiny object, but it will fade, and the issues, I mention, will still be present. Our count is 7 - 7, with the tie breaker going to Ford Lightning easily!!!
Great comparison, Tom! Personally, I'm holding on to my Rivian R1T, but my takeaway is they are all very competent vehicles. Frankly I'd be happy w/ owning any of them. I do truck things (including towing), but there are some instances where admittedly a traditional gas powered truck is still the better way to go, but seems likely that gap will close in the relative near future.
Nice to have a fair comparison. Nice job as usual. The worst part of the CT for me is the lack of useful storage for day to day use.
Yes, absolutely. Best, and just about only practical advantage of CT is resistance to door dings.
What kind of storage do you mean?.. It has an entire enclosed vault as the bed.
@@Chamieiniibet I got an R1T and I like the bigger frunk and gear tunnel. Easier for groceries and misc stuff
Huh? It's got a full lockable bed with solid, strong, powered cover.
Really close on a lot of these categories - great job on explaining the trade-offs on each. That's the real value here-which wins on each category is really just for entertainment.
Agreed. I think this could have been done as a points system where, for example, the CT would get 1.5 points vs 1 for its slight bed advantage, where the Ford would get 2.0 points for its clear frunk advantage, and so forth. In the end, they're not dramatically different, and neither would score badly in any category. It's down to preference.
Great comparative discussion of the two most common and most popular electric trucks! Well done, Tom!
To your point about the F150 being a faster home charging solution, I have a comment about that subject line. I had no clue about EVs when I bought my Tesla M3. I bought the fastest home charger I could find, which puts out 11KW, only to discover the RWD is limited to a little less than 8KW because of the onboard inverter. I've since learned to save costs, the higher level models come with 3 inverter modules and mine comes will just 2. I think it would be awesome if EV makers made the on board charging solution upgradable. I would love the option to buy an extra module and slap it in there and get faster performance.
I’d change the marks on the pickup bed, and the towing to Ford. Look at the puny mirrors on the Tesla, then realize you can’t put a shell or camper on the Tesla.
Thanks for the review, and all the testing you do. Driving the cyber truck showed you what happens when you drive a rare vehicle. It was the same for me whenever I had to drive a Rolls Royce Phantom 5. The car got more looks than the person inside.
From a charging point, with the cyber truck charging port on the rear back panel. It seems to me that you would have to unhook it more frequently to charge while towing.
Durability and Warranty really should be categories as well. Great video.
Love the review. Everyone has their own use case but I disagree with the CT win on offloading power. Other than the CT definitely being superior with the 40 amp plug in the back, I found the other differences minor. The reason I would give the lightning the edge in this category are the plugs and USB-C outlets in the frunk. You can charge tools or cameras or whatever while you store and drive. For people that use a truck for utility, having that huge frunk with power offloading is a game changer. It also allows you to keep your truck bed empty to haul materials.
The V2H system costs a LOT less for the CT, which I factored in.
Yeah, but the truck has to be ON. This has to be an ICE carryover where the truck would have to be running. It should not be that way for the Lightning. Open the frunk, plug something in, turn it on with a button or the app. If you are camping everything in the truck is ON, ready to drive, not just the pro power.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I think you are misunderstanding my point. The reason our company became interested in EV trucks is because of the POWERED frunk. It’s a game changer for storing and charging tools. You are basing the power delivery win on cost of v2h when the CT is completely missing the core functionality many of us require. We won’t even consider a CT for this exact reason. Spending a couple of thousand more for V2H when the Truck is cheaper to begin with doesn’t even cross my mind. You have a section on cost so costs should be exempt anyways. Ie. The “cost” of the glass roofs weren't taken into consideration in that section.
When isolating your review to “offloading power” and not cost, the missing core functionality (power in the frunk) gives the win to the Lightning by a landslide. As I said, it’s that important for those of us that need that functionality that we won’t even considered a truck without it.
Again, your reviews are always great and I love your content. I just happen to disagree with you on this one point and that’s okay. Keep up the great work.
But your giving it points for something that isn’t even available yet, right? Kinda like FSD…. Still love your review but Lightning wins thus category for 95% of people. Tailgate parties way more frequent that V2H…;)@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney
@@highrafterranch1982 That is also true. you need a Tesla powerwall which costs over ten thousand dollars or you need something that isn't even out yet and "promised" at a lower cost. Nooo, Tesla never breaks their promises, especially on price. With all the layoffs and bizarre decisions from Elon lately, who knows when or if this will ever be released. He definitely has a good reason to delay or cancel it because releasing a cheap H2V system essentially kills off their power wall business. Let's wait and see the device and how much it actually costs before basing a win on it.
Regardless, As you mentioned, you would think the uptake of people getting a V2H system is quite low compared to tailgate parties, and the million of other uses a powered frunk provides. That is something you can't get in the cybertruck at any cost and I would think that next to the bed outlets, it would be one of the most used locations for power delivery.
Great, real world review. I suggest adding two categories:
1) Safety - for you and passengers inside the trucks and for others outside. The latter I feel the Cybertruck will be found to be unsafe and cause terrible injuries from any impact with the front fender edges (basically dull vertical knife blades). As a quick test, take your hand and hit the front corner of the Lightning Vs the Cybertuck... Ow Vs trip to the ER!
2) Insurance cost, I wonder if Tesla Cybertruck insurance will be competitive or much higher than the Lightning for a variety of reasons. Anyway, great video, please consider adding these two categories.
One of the hardest decisions of vehicle ownership was do I keep my Lightning or get a Cybertruck. I pulled the trigger on the CT and have no regrets. The tri-motor CT is the best truck on the road today. HOWEVER! The tri-motor CT is $40k more than the Lariat and $60k more than a XLT. If value is taken into consideration, the Lightning is better hands down, especially comparing dual-motor trims. TLDR: If you can afford a Beast, get it. If not, get a Lightning.
Hey Tom will you do a video like this comparing the lightning to the new Silverado ev or eventually the Ram Rev?
I hope to
Tom, Another great video and a good comparison of probably the most popular EV trucks available today.
Yes, I think that was a fair review from your point of view. I am not in the market for anything that big. Things like the software difference I expect to become more equal.
With actual full depth A/T tires the objective measurements are the rivian outhandles the cybertruck. With the 22’s it’s in a different universe. And since the cybertruck doesn’t have the adjustability in roll control, putting it on normal street tires won’t fix that because its suspension doesn’t have the range of adjustability in roll and damping to exploit the extra grip. Also, I’ve driven both, don’t confuse a quick steering rack for better handling, the cybertruck oversteers on limit while the rivian is very well balanced and slides both ends pretty evenly. Otherwise good review.
The look is so different and in person it is insane. It looks like a movie prop or a modern sculpture. It’s a head turner for sure - about the CyberTruck.
The Fast Lane just received their CyberTruck and in the back seat, was a package that contained a sun shade for the roof. They didn’t open in that video. So you may be incorrect about the sunshade.
Even if they do offer a portable one, the lightning would win because its sunroof opens and the sunshade is power operated.
The F-150L has Co-pilot 360 ADAS (adaptive cruise control + lane centering) even without the Bluecruise option. The Bluecruise option just makes it hands free and gives automatic lane changes.
BC does not do lane changes in the Lightning yet. It’s still on BC 1.0. Nice to know w/o paying for BC it will still do 99.9% of the stuff it does in BC now.
The Lightning Pro does not have either feature and does not support BC. It has regular cruise control and lane keeping assist (not lane centering).
Great review Jersey boy! Some categories were so close. Ford has an atvantages for being out for a few years this CT version is essentially a prototype, but still challenging Ford as top truck! Future mods by Tesla and from OEMs. Tesla will separate Work, Urban and Off Road versions like the other truck companies have done. But for now the groundbreaking tech of 4WS, Drive by wire, ethernet ring, 48V architectures are game changers and will push the industry…
Great comparison, keep up the good content.
0:22 In all honesty, when you said _"...I have a reservation on Cybertruck..."_ I was not sure if you meant you were in line to buy one, or you had a doubt on the thing in general. The aura around the Cybertruck is that ambivalent.
Six months after we got our Lightning, we installed an offgrid 3.6kw solar array with 10kW of batteries, with a 48v 6kW hybrid inverter/charger, which we use to charge the Lightning through the Charge Station Pro. That, after rebates, will have cost around $4k. We also installed a 12k Btu Mini-split in the garage two weekends ago, that also runs off the 3.6kW of Solar. What we didn't expect was, when we run the mini-split, which is pretty much all the time, and open the door to the garage to the house, it cuts our House electric use by around 20kW per day in May so far...helping out the house AC(Central Texas). Long story short, I get 400 sq/ft of man cave that is cooled, AND, the mini-split is likely going to cut our electric bill by $500/yr. All told, this system will likely pay for itself in 3-4 years, and then we'll be getting essentially free fuel, and be paying $13 electric bills for the next 20 years, until the panels and batteries may be down to 80% efficiency. Obviously, you need the room in your backyard to install 10 x 360 watt panels, and the $5500 upfront cost on the solar array/batteries. Per the Towing hype, you'd have to define "you can't tow" We have an autocross course we run 65miles away, and the lightning can tow a 3000lb car on a 2500lb trailer round trip without an additional charge, so works for my towing use case. We've had the Lighting for a year and half, put 10k miles on it, and haven't ever used a fast charger where we have to pay. Transitioning to renewables can pay off quicker than you think... The longer you wait, the longer it will be before you could potentially have free fuel.
Keep the Ford!
Here in San Diego county I've seen a bunch of Cybertrucks on the road, even one in my rural town. Of course, Teslas are thick like flies here.
Great Review! Very in-depth and detailed. Thanks!
The frunk is bigger plus outlets to charge items in frunk, the Cybertruck has non .
The bed of the lightning is wider over the wheel wells.
The back seat area is also larger on the lightning
Excellent content as always!
Lightning should've won the appearance, bed and power offload categories. And off-road should've been a tie considering all the accessories available for the lightning. But fantastic video nonetheless.
Most people never got past the "It's hideous " stage. Sorry Tom
Masterful comparison. Well done sir.
Well done as usual Tom. I have the same Lightning as you and am sticking with it! Tesla has impressive designs but the interiors fall flat and are generic. The Lightning is a beautiful rig inside and out!
It seemed like he gave a couple categories to the Cybertruck that it didn't rate.. Such as appearance and offload power. Because the CT had 240-V outlet with 40 amps vs 30 for the Lightning that didn't seem as good as 11 outlets.
I love this video Tom! A great in depth, thorough and honest review and comparison of two of the most influential EVs!
Great comparison, thank you for your hard work on this report!
Great job with your comparison. Two biggies for me, off road capabilities for those of us who place that high on our list, and lack of full self driving. And, third biggie, if you buy a Cybertruck today, you don't get the federal rebate?
F150s are just fantastic vehicles for their purpose. I've owned my share. For how I use mine I'm happy staying with my paid off ICE and have zero plans to change that, but the EV cars still get by far and away most of my miles anymore. We still often take it on family trips, between comfort, room, real range without forced stops, no infrastructure limitations when traveling away from the interstates (very real some areas of the state I like to go that would be near impossible with the Lightning in any reasonable time frame), and of course when we have the boat too, it can't be beat and it's such a well engineered capable vehicle.
No, no, no! You cannot put a camper topper, or slide in, in the bed of Cybertruck. Lightning wins the bed check off. JK. It’s your video. Great comparison!
Agree with your point ... I always add a topper and Bedrug liner to my pickups, and currently Lightning is the only EV pickup that supports those accessories. Also, I care more about cargo-volume than cargo-weight, and my Lightning+topper wins the volume contest easily. Because it's largely a regular F150, Lightning probably supports more accessories in general. For example, my Lightning roof rack can easily carry an 18' canoe or extension ladder. Things to consider when picking a truck. 🙂
Of course, Not yet! Tesla reinvented the pickup…will take time to reinvent the camper too. The lighting is a HUGE loser for Ford…they have said so
@@Jethr001 I wouldn’t doubt it. I will wait in my Lightning and Camper, to see what they bring forth for truck toppers and slide ins for the CT 😄
I do wish they did a little more with the aerodynamics of the Ford lightning. But I have to agree one of my favorite things about it is all the accessories that are available. I had tonneau cover, switched for a camper shell and I am waiting for, a bed mat.
The cover and Matt were in stock and ready to ship. That’s a big advantage in my mind.
Sure, but a VERY small percentage of people use toppers, far fewer than those who tow.
When I was in high school, the Mercedes was one of the most popular cars in Montclair, like a Chevrolet in most towns. I haven't been back to New Jersey recently and wonder which truck will be more popular there. Lately, Tesla seems to be lagging the newer models from other manufacturers in terms of the overall ownership experience for the types of reasons Tom mentions.
I agree our family cars in Montclair were Mercedes back in the 70’s 🙃.
I hated the CT design when it first came out. I finally saw it in person and I kinda love it. It doesn't look good on pictures but looks great out in the open.
Great comparison. The second good honest review and my feeling is both trucks are about equal and its really down to personal preference. Nice job Ford and nice job Tesla 👍
As a current owner of the Lightning and a reservation holder for the Cybertruck, I too would agree with Tom. However, I believe Tom missed 2 categories in his review. 1- Heating, during the winter my lighting sucks the juice to maintain heat and has No battery preconditioning. Whereas the Cybertruck does and has a heat pump. 2- Work vehicle, the Cybertruck can't load materials from the side of the bed, nor can you reach your arm over the bed rail to grab your tools.
Realistically, the Ford bed is too high for reachover as well. But both have a frunk, so just rethink your placement for what you have and it'll work even better than normal trucks.
@@jamesengland7461 I have two swing cases in the back of my Lightning and I reach over for stuff from there all the time.
All 2024 lightnings come with a Heat Pump. and yes the shape of the CT bed is definitely form over function. Besides the hard to reach access you mention, the amount of bed accessories for the F150 is staggering. I would take the F150's bed over some weird gimmick that gives you a few more inches only at the bottom.
@@darpompie4354 Yeah, but have you looked at or priced what you would have to pay if you wanted a similar cover for the Ford? They are several thousand dollars and are attached with clamps. If you wanted a secure tonneau nothing for the Ford looks as good as what comes on the CT. Even the American Work Cover looks cheap, and it’s not.
2013 chevy volt and I drive a lot.... last 10 months ive done 9,000 miles on gas and 11,200 miles on electric. all from home charging or destination charging at a max of 3kw charging speed, and only a usable 10kwh battery.
PHEV is hard to beat... especially when i only paid 7k$ for mine. 0$ depreciation, 19$/mo liability insurance, car literally pays for itself in fuel savings after 3 years, zero inconvenience of charging, no range loss in 0F winter, battery lasts forever without any degradation.
Accessories/After market options: Lightning
Repairs/dealer service: Lightning
Detailing/washing: Lightning
Look at me, Look at me: Cybertruck
Excellent review. I would only disagree on towing. Nobody should be using one of these light duty truck at anywhere near the rated capacity. Get a real truck for that. The extra torque in the Lightning would win it for me with light duty towing. I tow my UTV up and down hills on I-10 at 80 mph with ease, BlueCruise on, like a champ. Probably should be a tie in that category.
How many people are going to have a 100-amp dedicated home charging circuit?
I do, and when it’s on it’s the only thing in the garage that can be on. Most of the time I use a slower charger but if I need to charge quickly it’s nice to have. The 22’ and 23’ MY are the only ones that can use it, for 24’ Ford dropped to one 40a charger.
@@dvwatts Tom's review was thorough and excellent, But Tom, you should have mentions that the 80 Amp (19.2 kW) Charge Station Pro advantage is only available to 22' & 23' ER owners and is no longer available for 24's. Maybe one more reason to keep his 22'?
@@axmiraxmir5469 It’s not that well known or advertised. I only knew about it because of Lightning forum members going through the build sheets of 2024s. You gain the heat pump but lose the 80a charging.
@@dvwatts Heat pump is a HUGE improvement for efficiency.
Most comprehensive review, two thumbs up 👍
I would call the power a tie. CT has better home charging but the Lightning can power more tools at once, which is really the reason to have the onboard power in a truck.
I canceled both my CT reservations from almost 4 years ago. I am so disapounted in Tesla and the CT. It is nowhere near the truck they told us it would be. Too long of a wait, Too small, Too expensive, Not enough range, and not complete! Im looking at other EV trucks now.
Except the Tesla dual motor CT has more range than Tesla originally promised and has a bigger bed than the Ford Lightning, more payload and towing capability than the Ford Lightning, lockable storage with one button that none of the other trucks have, access to more DC fast chargers that work than any other etruck. Tesla even over delivered with the steer-by-wire and four wheel steering that they did not originally promise. So no Tesla did not disappoint.
Part of the towing consideration should be charge port location. With the Cybertruck you have to unhook your trailer to charge. With the Lightning's location you don't have to.
How are the 11 outlets distributed in the Lightning? Could you not just run a couple of a 6 or 8 outlet power strip on the cybertruck as i'm pretty sure those 11 outlets on the Ford are shared on 1 or 2 circuits anyway the same as if you plugged in a power strip on the cybertruck.
2x 30 amp circuits in the bed and a 20 amp circuit shared with the frunk and interior outlets. So just in the bed you can run 60 amps of 120v appliances. I can run an electric Blackstone griddle an air fryer and induction cooktop at the same time. Literally has more power then my kitchen
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No 240? I didn't watch this part
@@fgaryam the lightning has a 240 30amp in the bed
With anyone wanting an EV pickup and waited for the CT, I think may now consider the F150 L. The issues and frankly, design flaws don’t make it the blue chip option.
This may not be a “truck” thing, but the stereo system in the Lightning is meh compared to the one in my Model 3. It actually makes me mad in the Ford that I paid so much for the Lightning and the stereo sucks so bad compared to the Tesla. The CT is suppose to be the best of the Tesla stereos so I don’t see how this does not come up in EVERY review. Also the Tesla has Sentry and Dash cam. These are very important if your car is ever messed with or you are in an accident, or you want to check on your pet in “pet mode”. A few nit pics on daily Lightning things. It does not set the electric parking brake when you put it in park, so unless you set the parking brake while your foot is on the brake and while you put it in park the truck will roll back and forth on the pal. It’s just lazy engineering. They can do it, if you stop the truck and open the door while in drive it will set the parking brake move the shifter to park automatically. What possible reason could there be not to set the parking brake when you put the truck in park? Also the Lightning cannot remotely set the cabin temperature. The most you can do is remote turn it on, BUT as soon as you open the door it turns the climate OFF and you have to get in and turn the truck back on and wait 20-30 seconds for everything to cycle on, climate is last. When it’s 100 outside this is super annoying. I’m not sure if this is true in the CT but in the Lightning you have to have the truck ON to use the AC power. This means if you open the frunk and want to use the outlets you have to first get in the truck, put your foot on the brake, turn the truck on, wait for the menu to come up, go to on board power and turn on the frunk power outlets. Again, seems lazy. You should be able to turn it on from the frunk or go to the app and turn it on without having to get in the truck. On the frunk, the Ford is the “nanniest” vehicle I have ever had. The frunk has a 5 second warning alarm before beginning to open and beeps the entire slow way up. Same on the way down. The Model Y hatch is just as big and opens just as high. No delay, no beep, 2x the speed. The Lighting tailgate required two button presses to open, and you have to wait for the beep to press it again. Super nanny, super annoying. So many great things about the Lightning but also so many that are annoying as F if you also have a Tesla and know how stupid the ICE carryovers are that don’t have to be.
thanks for the information
For me, I'm leaning toward the CyberTruck. I won't be ready for 18-24 months, so I have some time. The thing I'm having the biggest problem with is no accommodation for the spare, but I figure the aftermarket will take care of that sooner rather than later. We'll see.
The one advantage the bed of the Cybertruck has over the Lightning is the height you get towards the cab. You can put a taller object in and still have the tonneau cover close.
Auto show in town recently and I got to see the new Silverado EVRST pick up truck. It checks all the boxes. Can’t wait. My only complaint is not enough ground clearance. But I was told that the truck will have adjustable suspension. so that makes me think that off-roading will be more realistic. Annoyingly it has a huge front seat center console that I wish they would just eliminate. Most truck drivers want that. I want it gone. I want to be able to ingress and egress around the cab without that dumb ass central console in the way. Other than that, can’t wait to order one. I am a VERY early cyber truck reservation holder who has decided NOT to take delivery. I could’ve had mine weeks ago, but after spending hours crawling all over one, it just didn’t live up to my expectations. Had it lived up to the original range promises, I’dev overlooked all the other shortcomings and taken delivery. C’est la vie.
Thanks for a very fair comparison. Both a Ford fan and a Tesla fan will likely agree with your results.
As an F150 FX4 owner, the Cybertruck, at least on paper, beats the F150 from a “truck” perspective. They both tow the same, but the Cybertruck has a bigger bed, protected by the vault cover, and a MUCH higher payload. In fact the payload is higher than some HDs. I’ll take a locking vault over the ability to reach over the side any day of the week - I never reach over the side of the bed since nothing I normally carry in the back of the truck is something you’re going to lift out the side. Ford does have a ton of usability features that show that they have been doing pickup trucks forever, but the Cybertruck seems just so practical for a first try at a pickup truck. I think it’s going to make an amazing work truck or farm truck. Imagine charging every night from a solar or wind farm and then using it around the farm/ranch all day for free? Can’t beat that. Long distance towing is obviously an issue for any electric vehicle, so if that’s something you do often, then you would have to think twice, but otherwise… Hard to beat the CT.
Hi Tom,
Thanks for this great (again) video. Watching you from Brazil.
As much as I'm excited about the CyberTruck and Tesla the price difference is just too big. Weighting in the equation, the "old school" F-150 should win.
Tom, I have no interest in owning either one of these vehicles - none whatsoever. But I really enjoyed watching this video, as I do with most of your videos. Keep 'em coming.
Thanks, Tom. Excellent, honest review. I love the CT tech and look forward to some of these things working their way into mainstream use (48V, steer-by-wire). But I really love the Lightning as a daily driver, and the Ford Charge Station Pro is fantastic. It's a fun time to be a car guy--what fun products.
I have both and I love them both, but my pick is the Cybertruck. One thing that bugs me a little, when getting back into the Lightning, it feels like I’m driving a school bus with huge hand over hand turns, and the wheel feels way too big 😁.
I have watched many hundreds, probably thousands, of car videos and, like yourself, have owned eleven EVs.
The one criterion I value highest in a video or in a person is honesty. Based on that alone, this is absolutely the best automotive video I have ever watched. Beyond that, every aspect of the video (except possibly the length) was very well done. Five stars.
I'm older than you, having bought my first car, an MG-TD, shortly after getting my drivers license in 1963. I've since bought around 100 cars, including six Teslas.
I did not convert my F-150 Lightning order (or my Mach E order) primarily because of the dealerships. I probably won't convert my Cybertruck order either., because Tesla is not honoring the price nor achieving the range stated when i placed the order for the trimotor. As stated, I value honesty and this isn't the first time Tesla has failed me in that respect. Tesla already has sent me one Cybertruck configuration email, but for now I will stick with my '22 Model S.
All the best to you, and thank you for posting this excellent video.
P.S. My dad was also an Oldsmobile guy.
Dirty Tesla got update to power your house
Also Cybertruck got feature to weigh the payload accurate
For the dual motor cybertruck they just removed the third motor without increasing reduction on the two remaining ones.
So yeah, torque is definitively not an advantage.
I give the Ford the win on the beds for one simple reason. You can access the bed on the Ford from the side. You can't with the cybertruck because the panels are too high.
great overview and analysis! Whats awesome? We have choices between many trucks. My reservation popped up months ago (day one res).... I dont have 100k to buy a car with at the moment. My fam would fit a lightning better, too. You could fit one of the 4 seat across ford van seats into the lightning to make it a 6 seater, from what I have measured. I dont think the cybertruck has the room for that. Also.... you can find an extended range lightning in the US right now for about 40k.... So nice! tks for sharing this video, its just great!
Get the Silverado EV
EV trucks are a dichotomy for me - I can geek out with the best of them on the engineering, but I can't bring myself to own either one - 1) I'd *never* own another Ford, 2) I need better range for towing and the CT isn't quite there yet.
With the cyber truck, Tesla should have brought out either an 80 or 100 amp wall connector. I feel that you are exactly right that the majority of us do our charging at home and so the larger the battery the higher the amperage charger that you really need to complete if necessary, a charge from 0 to 5% to 80 to 90 maybe even 100% overnight. I’m in Arizona and we have an exceptionally generous super off peak rate of 3.5 cents per kilowatt hour for six hours during the night. Right now I can fully charge my battery from 5 to 100% in just over seven hours with the Tesla universal wall connector. If Tesla had had available an 80 amp wall connector I would have bought that.
One of the reasons why I don’t like EV vehicles is because when I’m in the parking lot looking for my car I also have to look around to see if there is an EV car running me over I need to make some sounds so I can hear them as they pass by