Kyle and I agreed to post our videos today but Kyle ended up not finishing the editing of his video in time, so I couldn't include the link. He'll post his video in a couple of days and I'll add the link in the description as soon as he does.
Stafford !! I had that EA station on my travel list last spring going to Hatteras. The Leaf required 3 stops from here in Ohio to Frisco, NC. I stopped the night in Stafford in a very nice motel. Resting an hour I got up to visit that EA from boredom, but the Nissan dealer across the street was FREE on Rt 1. Still stopped in Newport News for scheduled 3rd stop anyway plus eat lunch next day. 1643 miles round trip, avoided DC on way home, what a mess that was, not been through DC for 40 years during an ice storm in Dec 1984. 3 ABRP stops were east of Pittsburgh EVGO Sheetz, Hancock, MD ChargePoint & Newport News, VA EVGO WAWA. Did 2 Nissan dealers on way back in VA for free. Tesla Model Y needed charge in MD on way down, no CCS adapter, Model 3 at Greenbriar Mall in Chesapeake, VA same thing down to 1%. Gas or EV I'm 2 days to Hatteras or Myrtle Beach, neck & back injuries. VotecEV on youtube
I was thinking this too. The fact that they were talking about less than ten minutes difference across 1000 miles is both a surprise success for EA and almost a tie. Good day for EV charging in general
Ford should just stop all advertising they have for the Lighting and just use the part of this video with you heating up the pizza on the road. That is so cool! The next time someone wants to talk about how long it takes to charge an EV, I'm just going to send them this clip!!!!
@@greenne I don't disagree. But it's impressive even if they didn't have a rush hour load on the system.. The system has to be built up to take heavier usage. But even with no load on the system this couldn't be done just a year or two ago at any time of day. It's a step forward.
IN-FREAKIN-CREDIBLE! I just want a Lightning now. What an awesome race. No one else is doing content like this. This is Top Gear level competition and im so here for it!
I think you all summed it up well at the meeting place. You need to get out and stretch and take a break. My dad was raving about this hybrid that has 600 miles of range. I told him there's no way I could drive 600 miles straight.
For a trip that would be done in 12 hours in a gasoline car. =) Don't get me wrong, I love EVs and own two of them (Tesla 3 and F150 Lightning), but spending 5 or 6 hours waiting to charge is a pain... especially since I have done NJ to Northeast Florida overnight numerous times. It took us 18 hours one time, to go to Palm Beach from NJ.... and that included waiting 3 hours for a tow truck and 2 hours driving in the tow truck to Savannah Georgia when the Hertz rental car blew an engine on the way... (Chrysler 200...)
@@SlavGuns Thanks for showing you didn't actually watch the video. How does going 80 MPH over 1000 miles equal 12 hours? They even broke down how long they spent charging and how long they spent actually driving.
That "Lucid" hat is what got them the extra .3 miles per kWh, despite using extra power on the pizza oven and coffee maker. Both of those appliances rely on heating elements, which use more than a kW each! (Shhhh...Don't tell Kyle. He'll think Dave and Pete cheated)
Overnight definitely helped. Did almost the same trip on a busy summer weekend in 2023. To avoid the EA congestion i used some of the new Circle K stations.
Safe travels to you all. I live in South Daytona and have a 23 XLT ER and absolutely LOVE this thing. The Wife has a 21 ID4, she loves it. I hold both of you responsible for me getting into this EV thing. I grew up in Ocean Township myself and really miss that NY/NJ Pizza and the buttered hard rolls at WaWA. Maybe Ill see you guy around town. Have fun
MYP owner here, you came close to selling me on the Lightning. Maybe I will get a test drive in real soon. I traded my F150 in for the MYP. I do like the larger space of the truck but I really enjoy the Tesla. Should be good competition in the future. Still looks like a few more years before larger mainstream adaptation due to the FUD that the entire country is going through about changing to EV's. The entire episode is just resistance to change.
Was in the same boat as you, and decided on the Cybertruck. You get a pickup that's about the same size as an F150, same bed size and interior cabin. BUT you get all the Tesla benefits. It's an amazing vehicle.
@@KennyGreenPersonal Yah okay,,,, Benefits? like the CT purse frunk and lack of the million accessories the F150's have. To each their own. I was intrigued when they said it would be getting 500 miles of range for 39k. Which is then cheap for putting up with all the short comings. If prices were at par, I would definitely take the lightning. Just waiting to see what Ford does with its next gen in 2025 before I go for it.
@@darpompie4354 the CT was never gonna get 500 miles from the initial 40k base price when it debuted. The estimated range was 250 miles. On the other end, I was hoping for the 500 miles from the top spec CT, but it's only gonna be 470 miles.
Tom, just ordered my pizza oven for my Lightning! Wish I would have known of this oven when I did my USA trip in my Lightning this past summer. Hit 44 states and did 10,000 miles in 3 weeks.
Not to be overly critical and I'm not at the end yet so not sure who wins, but: Asking someone to give way to the faster charging station kinda defeats the purpose of the comparison doesn't it?
That depends on the rules of the race. We agreed the only restrictions we had was we wouldn't drive more than 10 mph over the limit and Kyle had to use Superchargers and I had to use CCS1 stations. Other than that, we were free to do whatever.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I understand, but the rules you made was to demonstrate the difference between Tesla and Electrify America charging methods. If just seeing who could win was the goal, you didn't need any rules at all. It probably should have been a rule that you can't do that. You basically added to the advantage of doing the test at night to avoid one of the biggest weaknesses of Electrify America. That's my perspective, but it was a great idea to do this either way. And that pizza oven is brilliant. I hope I can find a pizzeria in Utah that offers something similar. Cheers
EA along I-95 corridor is generally overcrowded during the day. Traffic at these stations has been increasing in recent years and wait lines are typical.
Not a problem for Ford EV drivers anymore. And by the end of this year, it won't be a problem for most EV drivers. I doubt any will use EA or EVgo anymore unless they have a 800v EV. And at that, that's only for times and areas where Tesla doesn't yet have an 800v V4 nearby. And they're basically only installing those from here on out. And they install 20 plus stalls per week.
@@PumpUptheJam81 It's simple -- never charge during peak times. I look at the Tesla mobile app and only charge up when there are plenty of free stalls and it's cheaper to charge. It even tells you which Teslas are heading to that specific station you have selected so you can plan around that as well. It's the same with those that don't fill their tanks up on their ICE vehicles prior to going to the beach during summer time and have to wait in long lines on the highway on the way there and pay much higher prices. I have never understood that logic.
Keurig…. nooo! That plug can handle an electric kettle, a decent drip kit and a hand grinder would be much better coffee! And, Stocking Mill Coffee Roasters is in Daytona, could have nabbed some awesome beans! But really, it’s a very impressive vehicle with all those plugs, offers a lot of options. I’m impressed, Ford has a great start on their EV models! 22:36
Had to charge on our route from VT to FL. Planned was Tesla Supercharger N Daytona. Found out was a Buc-ees. The one you and Kyle ended your race at. Glad I knew what entrance to go into thanks to your video. Great help and thank you. Buc-ees is AN EXPERIENCE !!!!! Thanks again Tom. Always great content.
@JackRussell021Been watching the rollout of many new charging networks on the Network Architect Channel. It's nice to see chargers going in at so many new sites. But very sad to see that most have only four stalls, and the rest mostly just six or eight. Those sites will all have congestion issues two years from now.
One more thing......... Portable pizza oven. How cool is that? Still watching.... Mathematically, there was no statistical difference between EA and Tesla Supercharger network. Great run and I'm stoked for what's to come.
What a fantastic video. First ever race between none Tesla vehicles that can charge using both NACS and CCS ports. This should be saved forever. It's historic. I just subscribed because of this video. Can't wait for the video on the way back.
Great race,and really equal in real terms. Exciting banter and speculations during the race. Thanks for the ride. I bought a Tesla based partly on the reliability and availability of the Supercharger network. I happy to see that Electrify America is stepping up their game.
OK, really fun video and Tom, congratulations are in order. If you haven't seen the announcement, Mary Barra got tired of your grumbling. When Chevy lifted the stop sale on the Blazer, they quietly mentioned they upgraded the software to include a % SoC display. First Kyle saves the Bolt and now you get us some hard data. You guys are EV Titans!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Oh, I know believe me. It's buried in an article at GMAuthority by Jonathan Lopez dated March 8 about the lifting of the stop sale and price drop. I wouldn't have noticed it if it didn't immediately make think "Tom's gonna take a victory lap." Quote: "revised Driver Info Center graphics that incorporate a battery percentage dispaly."
Can't believe I just watched this for +90min. CONGRATS! This was awesome. As a 2 year EV owner who use to love road-tripping I now find it painful to do road trips requiring more then 1 stop. I just can't handle the multitude of stops required + the "1 hour" duration it takes each time. No big deal in big scheme of things as I only take 2-3 road-trips a year and most require < 7 hours of driving (which take me almost +9hrs hours in my Polestar 2, and in the past I would be done in 7.5hrs). OK, now time for Kyle's video :)
On a 3000 mile round trip from Los Angeles to Whistler Canada last summer, I charged exclusively on Electrify America. 23 charging stops with 2 chargers de-rated to 40 KW. No other issues. I was very happy with EA.
I drove my 23 ID4 for 15 months / 22,000 miles using Electrify America and wanted to switch to the Lightning after watching this and Sea to Sea race. Picked up a new 2023 Lightning XLT Extended Range last Thur and love it. Waiting for Tesla adapter. I just got this message about charger. “Your Ford Charge Station Pro order # has been shipped.” I can’t wait to be fully set up with charging without having to rely on EA.
You guys rock! You have done a great service for the movement to electrification of transportation. Wonder what you’re gonna do five years from now when all of this will be a history and driving an electric car will become the norm in America.😂
Thanks, Tom. Great entertainment and yes, it was a long one, but justified. I think that you went on a mission to show A and ended up showing B. A: no difference between the two networks. B: You can drive electric truck from NJ to FL fairly quickly with no anxiety of any kind. And this is very positive message next to the videos of e-trucks towing heavy mis-shaped trailers with complaints on range and charging. Well done. I have tons of data from my trip to FL so my complete report is heavily overdue. My mission was different and that's how we need to be. Show that EVs are good for everyone.
It seems that during any busy time of day, the Electrify America network will soon be relegated to mostly cars that are still not able to access the Tesla network, and that this will happen more and more over time as there are more EVs in general, and as the Tesla network continues to grow at a healthy pace...
Overcrowding on CCS stations is already a problem with the free juice given away by 20 car brands. I see VW ID4 coffee clutches at EA chargers in my area while the women shop at outlet stores.
I've noticed an improvement in EA's reliability this winter so it's not surprising that Tom & Pete found working chargers at every station. The problem is that even if all 4 chargers are working, there's too few chargers at each station to handle the volume during weekends and especially holiday travel.
Great show! Interesting to think that this is the stone age of chargers and their locations. Thank you for taking the time to do this. Like any good experiment, lots of what if questions after it was done, fun!
I think Tom got really lucky with the EA chargers. If this road trip was repeated again with different departure times, it seems likely that he wouldn’t have been able to get an available and working 350kW charging station every time. Another interesting race to try would be three vehicles, one Tesla, one EA, and one either one.
This was a great video, Tom!! Loved you and Pete on road trip. Reminded me of Cannonball Run or Gumball Rally movies. Well done and love that pizza oven and frozen pizza!!
My experience charging at 150kw EA stations in my Lightning is the same as that of your 350kw EA stations. 150 stations still ramp up past 150 into the high 170’s.
"I can't complain a single bit about EA charging infrastructure". except almost every stop had out-of-service chargers - and only a couple that worked! Imagine doing a road trip and having to wait two cars back for a charger.
Awesome video! I just went on a road trip this past weekend in my Lightning and charged at 2 tesla stations using the A2Z adapter. If not for the tesla superchargers, i would've had to make long detours just to be able to make the trip. These are exciting times for ev owners!
2 of my favorite stops on my round trips from Florida to Baltimore are EA in Stafford VA and Sheetz in Rocky Mount NC. Been to EA once in Florence and yes sketchy folk there then.
Awesome video Tom! Please keep using that pizza oven and coffeemaker in future road trips lol. And while there's definitely going to be growing pains, more EVs using one standard will make it easier to build out more public chargers over time, which will be a win for all EV drivers.
Thanks for the fun road trip! I'm glad you stuck exclusively to EA for this run because even on I-95, we're getting to the point where we're going to have competing travel corridors from both ChargePoint (Mercedes/Walmart) and EVgo as well soon. By summer, it might be possible to do this trip in a Lightning exclusively using any one of four different networks, which is of course a win for consumers because "choices." I will say that Buc-ee's stop at the end looked aggravating. Those are exactly the types of stops I try to avoid on trips. Too many people and too much chaos.
I have been to Buckees before, so I knew how big they were. It would have taken 5 minutes in Google to familiarize yourself with the place, but you would have to know that this would be a worthwhile thing to do.
@newscoulomb3705 I would be dying to know how close you could get to the Lightning trucks' travel times in your Bolt. I know from your other videos that a Bolt, if road tripped properly, can average above 50 mph on long trips. Kyle and Tom averaged about 55 mph, which is not much faster than this.
@@ab-tf5fl It would probably be an hour to an hour and a half difference. Based on what I've seen, the best you can do long-distance in a Bolt EV is about 51 mph average trip speed including charging stops. So the Lightning would still come out on top, but the Bolt has the advantage of using slower chargers that are better placed, closer to the freeway, and have faster activation times (e.g., CPE 250). So overall, I'd expect to finish behind them, but not by that much.
😂 this is so funny. I am actually on this almost same trip when I saw this video. I’m traveling to and from Dover DE and Sanford Fl. I’m mostly using EA but I’ve also found that Buc-ee’s also has 400w CCS EV charging. And they right off the interstate, and work well. Great video BTW.
One subtle thing that I did not notice yesterday when I watched this video, was that one of the drivers needed somebody else to drive so that they could plan out the route: research where to stop, when to stop, for how long to stop, to see how many of the Charging stations were available, etc. I haven’t seen Kyle‘s version of this video yet but it seems like Kyle had a second driver simply due to the fatigue of driving once thousand miles in a row. There are some good points about the electrify America network, but, it still has quite a way to go in order to be as seamless as the Tesla supercharger network.
At a pinch, you may be OK at a 150kW with the Lightning. Some of those 150s are really 350s with half the power modules meaning they are really 175kW chargers, 500 Volts at 350 Amps max, and your Lightning was pulling 164 to 165kW or so at the peak. Even if it's maxing out the Amps on the EA hardware (350 Amps), that means it's pulling around 470 Volts maximum (which would mean the math adds up because that makes it 164½kW) so even a half-power-moduled "150kW" rated charger would give you all you need. (EDIT - just saw the 3rd charge was a max of 168kW and the 4th tickled 174kW - so long as your max is under 175kW and it turns out the truck can pull at 350 Amps, it absolutely checks out. It would only be if you could take 500 Volts and above that you'd absolutely need the 350s, and when Munro did a teardown of the F150 it had 400-volt architecture.) I really wish EA and EVGo would update their GUI to show Volts and Amps like the Ionity chargers do in Europe, it would answer so many questions we could have about how many Volts and Amps are being pulled in a charge (and show how the voltage is usually kept constant and it's the current, the amperage, that goes up and down during a charge curve).
I keep a Bluetooth OBD adapter in the glovebox so that I can watch the Voltage and Current when fast charging. The Car Scanner app can pull all of that data and WAY more.
The max power the trucks ever drew from a 350 kW charger was only slightly higher than 150 kW anyway. Obviously, every minute counts when you're doing a race, but a normal person road-tripping at a normal pace, if the 350's were all taken, they could probably just plug into a 150 and barely notice the difference. Especially since anyone really trying to travel from New Jersey to Florida quickly anyway would be flying, not driving, to begin with.
Nice of a fellow IONIQ 5 owner to make way. Chances are they were already in the curve deep enough a 150kW plug would finish it quite nicely. Location is amplified in this instance where minutes count but 350kW availability was key which time of day helped. Congratulations on proving the potential is there at EA to hang with the big dog. 1:35:01
I'm interested in seeing the return journey from Florida to New Jersey using both Tesla and EA chargers, and then comparing it to your initial trips. This comparison highlights the added value of the Supercharger network, allowing for more efficient charging at optimal SOC during longer road trips.
Good job displaying the data on the screen so we can visually see it as well, not just verbally say it. It is much easier to follow the numbers this way!
Hearing your comments on the smoke generated by the pizza oven and having to "roll down" the windows, I couldn't help but think of old Cheech and Chong movies from the 70s. They frequently ended up with a lot of smoke in their vehicles, but they were in no rush to roll down their windows. 😂
Why would anyone drive in along the front of a Buckees or a Walmart, Hello. Drive the edges! Awesome video though. I had a blast watching. Do more of these please.
This will ease my mind with traveling. I just purchased a Cadillac Lyriq and will now travel farther with it. I had a 21 Mustang Mach E Performance and would only use it locally. Thank you for this real time test.
Kyle and I agreed to post our videos today but Kyle ended up not finishing the editing of his video in time, so I couldn't include the link. He'll post his video in a couple of days and I'll add the link in the description as soon as he does.
Stafford !! I had that EA station on my travel list last spring going to Hatteras. The Leaf required 3 stops from here in Ohio to Frisco, NC. I stopped the night in Stafford in a very nice motel. Resting an hour I got up to visit that EA from boredom, but the Nissan dealer across the street was FREE on Rt 1. Still stopped in Newport News for scheduled 3rd stop anyway plus eat lunch next day. 1643 miles round trip, avoided DC on way home, what a mess that was, not been through DC for 40 years during an ice storm in Dec 1984. 3 ABRP stops were east of Pittsburgh EVGO Sheetz, Hancock, MD ChargePoint & Newport News, VA EVGO WAWA. Did 2 Nissan dealers on way back in VA for free. Tesla Model Y needed charge in MD on way down, no CCS adapter, Model 3 at Greenbriar Mall in Chesapeake, VA same thing down to 1%. Gas or EV I'm 2 days to Hatteras or Myrtle Beach, neck & back injuries. VotecEV on youtube
@@VotecEV2 Rod tripping in a Leaf makes you either a hero or a martyr.
4.8 miles per KWhour to Frisco, NC, 4.5 miles per KWhour return, avg. of 4.65 miles per KWhour. @@AhBeeDoi
It was 4.8 miles per KWH there and 4.5 miles per KWH return. ruclips.net/video/1vIoqZoQaYE/видео.html @@AhBeeDoi
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I don’t go the movies anymore. I just watch 90 minute EV-related videos 😊
Nothing like the early roadtrips with Kyle & Alyssa over an hour long. Couldn't wait to get an EV and hit the road.
Have you tried watching at 2x speed? 45 minutes is better than 90. I watch all videos at 2x, except music videos and sports highlights, lol
@@lemongavine good advice but I like to live life in the slow lane when I can! I’ll try that though 👍
yea, I can relate :-)
@@billlyl3725 I agree, but it makes these long form videos more “attainable”. I would likely skip most of them if 2x wasn’t an option
After a 1,000 miles, a difference of 4 to 6 minutes is a dead heat. Great video.
According to him it was only 102 miles to 114 miles. :(
I was thinking this too. The fact that they were talking about less than ten minutes difference across 1000 miles is both a surprise success for EA and almost a tie. Good day for EV charging in general
And they would have won if EA had put its stations closer to the highway.
Out of Spec Mom still changing his diapers. I spit out my coffee that one! 😂
He’s a youngster around 30 with 20 some cars . I am 5 years older than Tom . I loved Tom’s comment about Kyle
@markfitzpatrick6692 Maybe so, but Kyle's reviews, his passion and ev intelligence is second to none.
Ford should just stop all advertising they have for the Lighting and just use the part of this video with you heating up the pizza on the road. That is so cool! The next time someone wants to talk about how long it takes to charge an EV, I'm just going to send them this clip!!!!
Right? Can cook XX pizzas per kWh lol
Coolest car thing I have seen in a long time. lol
OMG pizza oven for a car. My life has changed forever.
Let's save some range and also let's cook pizza :D
Fuhgettaboutit
The coffee maker clinches it. 😊
Kyle needed a microwave to compete with that. Microwave dinners vs pizza oven pizzas, who has the bigger hit to efficiency?
Pizza delivery industry has forever been disrupted. Imagine your pizza being cooked WHILE it's being delivered to your home? 🤯
"You never want to leave a pepperoni on the table." Words to live by!!!!
EA being even comparable over 1000 miles is impressive, considering how poorly rated they have been in the past. Great content! Thanks.
During the daytime it would have been a different story...I am 100% confident there would have been issues
@@greenne I don't disagree. But it's impressive even if they didn't have a rush hour load on the system.. The system has to be built up to take heavier usage. But even with no load on the system this couldn't be done just a year or two ago at any time of day. It's a step forward.
@@greenne LOL. That's the only time anyone can use 100% and EA on the same sentence. That you're 100% confident there will be issues.
Honestly I was more fascinated by the pizza saga than the EV part lol!
Like seriously!
Ya, I'm going to be talking about that at work. lol
Fresh pizza, and a cup of coffee in the middle of the night. You guys are rocking the road trip!
Exactly. As far as I'm concerned, we won!
Heating the pizza oven and the coffee maker cost you time and money!
IN-FREAKIN-CREDIBLE! I just want a Lightning now. What an awesome race. No one else is doing content like this. This is Top Gear level competition and im so here for it!
It always blows my mind how close all the states are on the east coast, multiple states on one charge!
"I was driving electric back when Out of Spec Mom was changing Kyle's diapers" 🤣
I think you all summed it up well at the meeting place. You need to get out and stretch and take a break. My dad was raving about this hybrid that has 600 miles of range. I told him there's no way I could drive 600 miles straight.
Loved it. 3 mins is basically a photo finish after 18+ hours.
For a trip that would be done in 12 hours in a gasoline car. =) Don't get me wrong, I love EVs and own two of them (Tesla 3 and F150 Lightning), but spending 5 or 6 hours waiting to charge is a pain... especially since I have done NJ to Northeast Florida overnight numerous times. It took us 18 hours one time, to go to Palm Beach from NJ.... and that included waiting 3 hours for a tow truck and 2 hours driving in the tow truck to Savannah Georgia when the Hertz rental car blew an engine on the way... (Chrysler 200...)
@@SlavGuns Thanks for showing you didn't actually watch the video. How does going 80 MPH over 1000 miles equal 12 hours? They even broke down how long they spent charging and how long they spent actually driving.
@@Jtaugner Probably never even been in an EV. "spending 5 or 6 hours waiting to charge" totally proved your point. He never even watched the video.
It was pleasure to leave you the charger at Stafford!!! Good vidéo!!!
Tom has a camp kitchen in his lightning lol
Haha, Pete's Lucid hat is the perfect fashion accessory for this challenge!
That "Lucid" hat is what got them the extra .3 miles per kWh, despite using extra power on the pizza oven and coffee maker. Both of those appliances rely on heating elements, which use more than a kW each! (Shhhh...Don't tell Kyle. He'll think Dave and Pete cheated)
Overnight definitely helped. Did almost the same trip on a busy summer weekend in 2023. To avoid the EA congestion i used some of the new Circle K stations.
For sure, totally different conditions otherwise
Regardless of the outcome, the whole thing was a win! To show that charging is getting better and better.
Safe travels to you all. I live in South Daytona and have a 23 XLT ER and absolutely LOVE this thing. The Wife has a 21 ID4, she loves it.
I hold both of you responsible for me getting into this EV thing.
I grew up in Ocean Township myself and really miss that NY/NJ Pizza and the buttered hard rolls at WaWA.
Maybe Ill see you guy around town.
Have fun
Damn, guys - that was a Great video! and Tom doing the Pizza Oven on the console was Epic!
I gave the video a like just as soon as the pizza oven came out
MYP owner here, you came close to selling me on the Lightning. Maybe I will get a test drive in real soon. I traded my F150 in for the MYP. I do like the larger space of the truck but I really enjoy the Tesla. Should be good competition in the future. Still looks like a few more years before larger mainstream adaptation due to the FUD that the entire country is going through about changing to EV's. The entire episode is just resistance to change.
Was in the same boat as you, and decided on the Cybertruck. You get a pickup that's about the same size as an F150, same bed size and interior cabin. BUT you get all the Tesla benefits. It's an amazing vehicle.
@@KennyGreenPersonal Yah okay,,,, Benefits? like the CT purse frunk and lack of the million accessories the F150's have. To each their own. I was intrigued when they said it would be getting 500 miles of range for 39k. Which is then cheap for putting up with all the short comings. If prices were at par, I would definitely take the lightning. Just waiting to see what Ford does with its next gen in 2025 before I go for it.
@@darpompie4354 the CT was never gonna get 500 miles from the initial 40k base price when it debuted. The estimated range was 250 miles.
On the other end, I was hoping for the 500 miles from the top spec CT, but it's only gonna be 470 miles.
@@KennyGreenPersonal Tesla "benefits", like rust, shoddy workmanship, ridicules pricing etc.
Tom, just ordered my pizza oven for my Lightning! Wish I would have known of this oven when I did my USA trip in my Lightning this past summer. Hit 44 states and did 10,000 miles in 3 weeks.
Cool. You'll love it
Awesome video, and Pete is a champion.
Yes, he is!
The two best, Tom and Kyle made this amazing race! Fantastic story! 👏👏👏
That pizza oven is like the modern day version of the baked potato on the motor under the hood.
LMaooo the pizza oven
And I thought Pizza for a Buck was revolutionary! A pizza oven for a car is just more amazing!
all fun and games until you wreck and a 350 degree oven is on your face
Gee Tom - Pete Bremy was "Keepin' (you) Hangin' on!" Wow, what a blast from the past!
Fun times!
That pizza oven is so dangerous! But certainly creative!! 😆
"He Kyle, how are those potato chips"!
Cut to Kyle's truck -- back seat full of chips!
Not to be overly critical and I'm not at the end yet so not sure who wins, but: Asking someone to give way to the faster charging station kinda defeats the purpose of the comparison doesn't it?
That depends on the rules of the race. We agreed the only restrictions we had was we wouldn't drive more than 10 mph over the limit and Kyle had to use Superchargers and I had to use CCS1 stations. Other than that, we were free to do whatever.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney
I understand, but the rules you made was to demonstrate the difference between Tesla and Electrify America charging methods. If just seeing who could win was the goal, you didn't need any rules at all. It probably should have been a rule that you can't do that. You basically added to the advantage of doing the test at night to avoid one of the biggest weaknesses of Electrify America. That's my perspective, but it was a great idea to do this either way.
And that pizza oven is brilliant. I hope I can find a pizzeria in Utah that offers something similar. Cheers
EA along I-95 corridor is generally overcrowded during the day. Traffic at these stations has been increasing in recent years and wait lines are typical.
Not a problem for Ford EV drivers anymore. And by the end of this year, it won't be a problem for most EV drivers. I doubt any will use EA or EVgo anymore unless they have a 800v EV. And at that, that's only for times and areas where Tesla doesn't yet have an 800v V4 nearby. And they're basically only installing those from here on out. And they install 20 plus stalls per week.
@@Paul-cj1wbIf they come out west they are going to wait. Even Teslas wait at tesla stations.
@@PumpUptheJam81 It's simple -- never charge during peak times. I look at the Tesla mobile app and only charge up when there are plenty of free stalls and it's cheaper to charge. It even tells you which Teslas are heading to that specific station you have selected so you can plan around that as well.
It's the same with those that don't fill their tanks up on their ICE vehicles prior to going to the beach during summer time and have to wait in long lines on the highway on the way there and pay much higher prices. I have never understood that logic.
Great trip Tom and Kyle 👏🏻
Keurig…. nooo! That plug can handle an electric kettle, a decent drip kit and a hand grinder would be much better coffee! And, Stocking Mill Coffee Roasters is in Daytona, could have nabbed some awesome beans!
But really, it’s a very impressive vehicle with all those plugs, offers a lot of options. I’m impressed, Ford has a great start on their EV models! 22:36
One of the reasons I bought the lightning, as a RUclipsr I can charge all my camera gear on site, wherever that is...
Super entertaining episode, Tom! I’ll bet that Keurig at Walmart was cheaper than three of Kyle’s Starbucks. And, yes, Pete rocks! 🤘
Awesome video! I live in NC now and used to live in Florida. I can't wait to do that trip on my new Lariat.
Had to charge on our route from VT to FL. Planned was Tesla Supercharger N Daytona. Found out was a Buc-ees. The one you and Kyle ended your race at. Glad I knew what entrance to go into thanks to your video. Great help and thank you. Buc-ees is AN EXPERIENCE !!!!! Thanks again Tom. Always great content.
Very enjoyable video! I hope EA has actually stepped up its game and Tom's experience in not an outlier.
The major problem with EA is congestion. Far too few stalls in many locations. Travel during the daytime would be a very different experience.
@JackRussell021Been watching the rollout of many new charging networks on the Network Architect Channel.
It's nice to see chargers going in at so many new sites. But very sad to see that most have only four stalls, and the rest mostly just six or eight.
Those sites will all have congestion issues two years from now.
One more thing......... Portable pizza oven. How cool is that? Still watching....
Mathematically, there was no statistical difference between EA and Tesla Supercharger network. Great run and I'm stoked for what's to come.
What a fantastic video. First ever race between none Tesla vehicles that can charge using both NACS and CCS ports. This should be saved forever. It's historic. I just subscribed because of this video. Can't wait for the video on the way back.
Tom, you make a great butler for Pete. Haha 😄
Great content. Thank you 😊
Great race,and really equal in real terms. Exciting banter and speculations during the race. Thanks for the ride. I bought a Tesla based partly on the reliability and availability of the Supercharger network. I happy to see that Electrify America is stepping up their game.
Pizza oven in the f150 is classic, great content
Finally a race worth watching. Love this post.
OK, really fun video and Tom, congratulations are in order. If you haven't seen the announcement, Mary Barra got tired of your grumbling. When Chevy lifted the stop sale on the Blazer, they quietly mentioned they upgraded the software to include a % SoC display. First Kyle saves the Bolt and now you get us some hard data. You guys are EV Titans!
Really? I didn't hear that. I've been relentlessly trolling them for years now to do that.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Oh, I know believe me. It's buried in an article at GMAuthority by Jonathan Lopez dated March 8 about the lifting of the stop sale and price drop. I wouldn't have noticed it if it didn't immediately make think "Tom's gonna take a victory lap." Quote: "revised Driver Info Center graphics that incorporate a battery percentage dispaly."
Can't believe I just watched this for +90min. CONGRATS! This was awesome. As a 2 year EV owner who use to love road-tripping I now find it painful to do road trips requiring more then 1 stop. I just can't handle the multitude of stops required + the "1 hour" duration it takes each time. No big deal in big scheme of things as I only take 2-3 road-trips a year and most require < 7 hours of driving (which take me almost +9hrs hours in my Polestar 2, and in the past I would be done in 7.5hrs). OK, now time for Kyle's video :)
I really enjoyed watching this! I want a lightening now!
Pete is a driving beast! 😮 Thanks for the informative video.
You guys are great fun to watch. Good job!
Pete drove the whole way but Kyle made Dave push
On a 3000 mile round trip from Los Angeles to Whistler Canada last summer, I charged exclusively on Electrify America. 23 charging stops with 2 chargers de-rated to 40 KW. No other issues. I was very happy with EA.
I drove my 23 ID4 for 15 months / 22,000 miles using Electrify America and wanted to switch to the Lightning after watching this and Sea to Sea race.
Picked up a new 2023 Lightning XLT Extended Range last Thur and love it. Waiting for Tesla adapter. I just got this message about charger. “Your Ford Charge Station Pro order # has been shipped.” I can’t wait to be fully set up with charging without having to rely on EA.
Fun video guys. Pete's a beast. 1000 miles. Wow.
You guys rock! You have done a great service for the movement to electrification of transportation. Wonder what you’re gonna do five years from now when all of this will be a history and driving an electric car will become the norm in America.😂
Thanks, Tom. Great entertainment and yes, it was a long one, but justified. I think that you went on a mission to show A and ended up showing B. A: no difference between the two networks. B: You can drive electric truck from NJ to FL fairly quickly with no anxiety of any kind. And this is very positive message next to the videos of e-trucks towing heavy mis-shaped trailers with complaints on range and charging. Well done. I have tons of data from my trip to FL so my complete report is heavily overdue. My mission was different and that's how we need to be. Show that EVs are good for everyone.
It seems that during any busy time of day, the Electrify America network will soon be relegated to mostly cars that are still not able to access the Tesla network, and that this will happen more and more over time as there are more EVs in general, and as the Tesla network continues to grow at a healthy pace...
Overcrowding on CCS stations is already a problem with the free juice given away by 20 car brands. I see VW ID4 coffee clutches at EA chargers in my area while the women shop at outlet stores.
I've noticed an improvement in EA's reliability this winter so it's not surprising that Tom & Pete found working chargers at every station. The problem is that even if all 4 chargers are working, there's too few chargers at each station to handle the volume during weekends and especially holiday travel.
Great show! Interesting to think that this is the stone age of chargers and their locations. Thank you for taking the time to do this. Like any good experiment, lots of what if questions after it was done, fun!
I think Tom got really lucky with the EA chargers. If this road trip was repeated again with different departure times, it seems likely that he wouldn’t have been able to get an available and working 350kW charging station every time. Another interesting race to try would be three vehicles, one Tesla, one EA, and one either one.
The "other" vendor chargers on the I-95 corridor are slow charging compared to EA. Infact EA is the only game on certail legs.
If RUclips had an award ceremony for content, this would be in it. 😂the pizza was amazing and worth it.
Awesome content. Good to have choices when charging. F150 is very comfortable for road trips.
This was a great video, Tom!! Loved you and Pete on road trip. Reminded me of Cannonball Run or Gumball Rally movies. Well done and love that pizza oven and frozen pizza!!
Tom, you know how to road trip, fresh pizza and coffee!
The essentials.
this is epic and absolutely educational and at times humorous, thanks for this video
Anyone contemplating buying an EV, any EV, needs to watch this video or Kyle's video.🤔
What an incredible and entertaining video! Thanks, Tom!
My experience charging at 150kw EA stations in my Lightning is the same as that of your 350kw EA stations. 150 stations still ramp up past 150 into the high 170’s.
"I can't complain a single bit about EA charging infrastructure". except almost every stop had out-of-service chargers - and only a couple that worked!
Imagine doing a road trip and having to wait two cars back for a charger.
Miraculously none of the charging stations they used had any out of service chargers. How could that possibly happen?
Man !!!! You are a savage with the In Cab Mods !!!!! That is sooooo me !!!! Kyle lost from the get go in my opinion !!!! That pizza oven is great !!!!
I agree. Who cars who got there first, we got there in style!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I will give up 6 minutes for better food and my own coffee
Tom the pizza thing is the best weird fun idea ever.
Doing 10 over through Emporia VA is really risky. Glad you didn't get nailed.
Excellent video Tom and Pete. 3 mins over 1k miles - I’d call that a draw and with double the chargers Ford is the winner!
Awesome video! I just went on a road trip this past weekend in my Lightning and charged at 2 tesla stations using the A2Z adapter. If not for the tesla superchargers, i would've had to make long detours just to be able to make the trip. These are exciting times for ev owners!
Wow! What a trip. The Ford Lightning did great!
Me: We need to make a long run on this charge.
Also me: We need to use a ton of wattage to cook a few pizzas.
2 of my favorite stops on my round trips from Florida to Baltimore are EA in Stafford VA and Sheetz in Rocky Mount NC. Been to EA once in Florence and yes sketchy folk there then.
We avoid Florence if possible due to equipment reliabilities and lately overcrowding.
Awesome video Tom! Please keep using that pizza oven and coffeemaker in future road trips lol. And while there's definitely going to be growing pains, more EVs using one standard will make it easier to build out more public chargers over time, which will be a win for all EV drivers.
What an epic race and epic video you produced. I love this kind of content. Thank you so much for sharing your experience, Tom! ❤
Thanks for the fun road trip! I'm glad you stuck exclusively to EA for this run because even on I-95, we're getting to the point where we're going to have competing travel corridors from both ChargePoint (Mercedes/Walmart) and EVgo as well soon. By summer, it might be possible to do this trip in a Lightning exclusively using any one of four different networks, which is of course a win for consumers because "choices."
I will say that Buc-ee's stop at the end looked aggravating. Those are exactly the types of stops I try to avoid on trips. Too many people and too much chaos.
I have been to Buckees before, so I knew how big they were. It would have taken 5 minutes in Google to familiarize yourself with the place, but you would have to know that this would be a worthwhile thing to do.
@newscoulomb3705
I would be dying to know how close you could get to the Lightning trucks' travel times in your Bolt. I know from your other videos that a Bolt, if road tripped properly, can average above 50 mph on long trips. Kyle and Tom averaged about 55 mph, which is not much faster than this.
@@ab-tf5fl It would probably be an hour to an hour and a half difference. Based on what I've seen, the best you can do long-distance in a Bolt EV is about 51 mph average trip speed including charging stops. So the Lightning would still come out on top, but the Bolt has the advantage of using slower chargers that are better placed, closer to the freeway, and have faster activation times (e.g., CPE 250). So overall, I'd expect to finish behind them, but not by that much.
😂 this is so funny. I am actually on this almost same trip when I saw this video. I’m traveling to and from Dover DE and Sanford Fl. I’m mostly using EA but I’ve also found that Buc-ee’s also has 400w CCS EV charging. And they right off the interstate, and work well. Great video BTW.
Fantastic vid and thanks for the inspiration! Can’t wait to put in an espresso maker and small oven for baked goods on next road trip!😅
One subtle thing that I did not notice yesterday when I watched this video, was that one of the drivers needed somebody else to drive so that they could plan out the route: research where to stop, when to stop, for how long to stop, to see how many of the Charging stations were available, etc. I haven’t seen Kyle‘s version of this video yet but it seems like Kyle had a second driver simply due to the fatigue of driving once thousand miles in a row. There are some good points about the electrify America network, but, it still has quite a way to go in order to be as seamless as the Tesla supercharger network.
At a pinch, you may be OK at a 150kW with the Lightning. Some of those 150s are really 350s with half the power modules meaning they are really 175kW chargers, 500 Volts at 350 Amps max, and your Lightning was pulling 164 to 165kW or so at the peak. Even if it's maxing out the Amps on the EA hardware (350 Amps), that means it's pulling around 470 Volts maximum (which would mean the math adds up because that makes it 164½kW) so even a half-power-moduled "150kW" rated charger would give you all you need.
(EDIT - just saw the 3rd charge was a max of 168kW and the 4th tickled 174kW - so long as your max is under 175kW and it turns out the truck can pull at 350 Amps, it absolutely checks out. It would only be if you could take 500 Volts and above that you'd absolutely need the 350s, and when Munro did a teardown of the F150 it had 400-volt architecture.)
I really wish EA and EVGo would update their GUI to show Volts and Amps like the Ionity chargers do in Europe, it would answer so many questions we could have about how many Volts and Amps are being pulled in a charge (and show how the voltage is usually kept constant and it's the current, the amperage, that goes up and down during a charge curve).
I keep a Bluetooth OBD adapter in the glovebox so that I can watch the Voltage and Current when fast charging. The Car Scanner app can pull all of that data and WAY more.
The max power the trucks ever drew from a 350 kW charger was only slightly higher than 150 kW anyway. Obviously, every minute counts when you're doing a race, but a normal person road-tripping at a normal pace, if the 350's were all taken, they could probably just plug into a 150 and barely notice the difference.
Especially since anyone really trying to travel from New Jersey to Florida quickly anyway would be flying, not driving, to begin with.
I concur! My Lightning has pulled 165kw from those 150 stations.
Nice of a fellow IONIQ 5 owner to make way. Chances are they were already in the curve deep enough a 150kW plug would finish it quite nicely. Location is amplified in this instance where minutes count but 350kW availability was key which time of day helped. Congratulations on proving the potential is there at EA to hang with the big dog. 1:35:01
Definitely a win for EVs all around. Awesome job guys.
Amazing roadtrip video Tom. Kudos to Pete. He's the champ.
Love this video. There's just something about EV road trips I find satisfying.
I'm interested in seeing the return journey from Florida to New Jersey using both Tesla and EA chargers, and then comparing it to your initial trips. This comparison highlights the added value of the Supercharger network, allowing for more efficient charging at optimal SOC during longer road trips.
Most impressive thing they drove from through Jersey and Florida with out being shot at once.
FYI: That looks like an average size Buccee's sometimes I forget how blessed we are in Texas!
Would love to see this race during the daytime when al the chargers are in regular use.
Good job displaying the data on the screen so we can visually see it as well, not just verbally say it. It is much easier to follow the numbers this way!
Hearing your comments on the smoke generated by the pizza oven and having to "roll down" the windows, I couldn't help but think of old Cheech and Chong movies from the 70s. They frequently ended up with a lot of smoke in their vehicles, but they were in no rush to roll down their windows. 😂
Kyle might have won the race to Florida, but Tom won the race to post his video. Three days later and still waiting on Kyle.
Why would anyone drive in along the front of a Buckees or a Walmart, Hello. Drive the edges! Awesome video though. I had a blast watching. Do more of these please.
Doing this challenge in the middle of the day instead of the middle of the night would be interesting.
This will ease my mind with traveling. I just purchased a Cadillac Lyriq and will now travel farther with it. I had a 21 Mustang Mach E Performance and would only use it locally. Thank you for this real time test.