Not sure I've seen this much enthusiasm on this channel! But I drove a Lightning demonstrator at my dealer today and was equally enthused- it was awesome.
I ordered 10 of these for my business (Pro trim with max towing @ $47XXX) we have just taken delivery of our 4th and we love them so far. Max payload has next to no impact on range.
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@@mattbrew11 what type of payload are you carrying to get to the max allowable? There should be some impact if hauling an additional ~1500lbs around with you. I'm sure it does pretty well still if the aerodynamic profile isnt disturbed too much (like a trailer might do), but next to no impact seems like it needs more A-B testing to determine better.
@@ALMX5DP with a full pallet of solar panels and the ancillary equipment required to install it z(inverters, racking, wire looms, switch gear and breakers) our lifetime fleet average so far is 2.3 miles/kWh and unladed 2.5. Loads don’t stick up above the cab which is likely crucial. Worth noting these are small battery trucks with max tow and few other options. Crew is typically 3 on both trips. The truck barely squats and the difference in power and range is almost imperceptible. Towing range is halved with a 6x12 box trailer. Aerodynamics is the game with evs
@@mattbrew11 gotcha, still 2.3 vs 2.5 if accurate shows an 8% drop in range (not sure how much of your fleet average is with that fully loaded figure). Definitely not bad as like you said most of the drain is from aerodynamic drag when running at any sensible speeds.
The price of the trim level starting at $53k and your as tested model being $76k is what drives me nuts! At $80k you've got a nice play toy for those making six figures but for average hard working Americans dealing with record inflation, stagflation this vehicle means absolutely nothing.
The base level of new trucks today is way way better than the top trims of yesterday. In reality, car/truck prices actually decreased consistently over time.
I wondered how tough that little care would be - glad to here it is coming through. Hope it sells tons! The more out there, the more mountain charging stations will be out there, and the better our air and skies!
@@eaglescout205 Agree there. Respect for trying it. While I enjoy my 2009 Ford Escape Hybrid with some GENTLE off-roading, like around pastures, I also broke suspension parts doing that (twice) and that was just driving up to a pond! Driving a truck made for that gives a sense of security lacking when hoping a car will make it!
Cool truck. Great review. I don’t know if electric is for me, but I would consider this truck. Regarding no hill descent control, maybe the “one pedal” mode would work for that?
@@ALMX5DP Most if not ALL body on frame trucks have a full size spare. The really issue it to have the correct wheel nuts. Toyota is bad...my Tundra has alloy rims and chrome wheel nuts which WILL NOT work with a steel rim. I have 5 steel rim nuts with me JIC.
I actually agree with you, even though I am getting one. If I was ranching or hauling trailers a lot, it would be inadequate. But for me, it is what I need, and meets my wish for me to be better for envt. If I was hauling frequently or long, the Hybrid, or a F250 or 350 would be a much more practical vehicle. In 5 years or so, I'll probably get a new F150, with 500 miles range or so, like my Hybrid now.
Can't wait for when they get the battery life sorted out even more because I don't need a new truck now, but eventually when I do, the size of that frunk is insane. I do a ton of mountain bike and road cycling with a lot of people, and that's exactly where I'm going to keep a bunch of my tools and gear. AND still have room left over for more stuff when needed.
I agree with the previous commenter. This is the problem these manufacturers are going to have to iron out if they ever want to sell a large amount of these electric vehicles to the masses. Bumping up against 75K for a mid-level trim with a few goodies is ridiculous. I get it, it’s an expensive manufacturing process. But again, they are going to have to figure that out if they ever want to have successful mass sell numbers to the general public.
@@CypressRacing I hear ya. But I’ve also read in several places that those rebates are slowly going away as the manufacturers reach a certain sales threshold for EVs. I think, and I could be wrong, but I think Toyota might be one? Not sure on that.
@@CypressRacing I think selling 150,000 a year of Lightnings is a pretty large amount. Though of course not on parity with ICE Ford trucks. But will probably be the tipping point to getting there. Then with the Silverado and Ram EV trucks in 2024, it won't be long before it is no longer a curious rarity, but just another truck, that fills up with a cable instead of a hose. Though of course takes longer to fill.
I like a Ford as brand. Ford makes a very cool and good cars, it is better than volkswagen or BMW. I have a Ford Focus and I think that car is a good, because I don't do any important repairs :) Greetings from Poland 🇵🇱
Great truck, great review. You hit a lot of points anyone interested in buying one should know. I think you glossed over a big question, how does it do towing/hauling at highway speeds. If (hopefully when) you get a 2nd chance with the truck going on a harder off road test please consider doing a towing efficiency test as well. Some people are going to hear 300 mile range and assume it will do close to that when towing, I'd be surprised if it even got half that range under a load. And to go with that is the infrastructure for fast charging. And again, I'm not criticizing the review, I enjoyed it and thought it was well done. Just a request in case you get another shot with the truck in the future.
If you tow a long way, you're unfortunately pretty much stuck with a gas or diesel truck if stopping every 100 miles is a problem. Personally, owning an internal combustion vehicle is something I'll never do again, so I would put up with stopping every 1.5 hours instead of dealing with a gas/diesel vehicle ever again.
I have a 21 Escape Hybrid. As far as the drive modes go, some are gimmicks, but Fords definitely are not. The differences between Normal, Eco, and Sport are huge.
Love your content. Your commentary about Tesla being on “subsidies for years” is inaccurate. Remember, tax payers bailed out GM. Tesla had loans it paid back early.
Appreciate all the video you did. it's help me alot in decision making. . Can you please do the review for the KIA SPORTAGE 2023 . .Looking forward to see you soon.
I have the long range Lariat. One thing I did was to buy a small microwave oven that I can plug in while on a road trip and cook my lunch and dinner right on the middle fold out table.
It's an F150. I'm ready for it. There will be 1st gen birthing pains, like any new engine or trannie, but it is an F150. And mine will be delivered in October, to replace my current F150. Look for me out west camping away from the pavement, or hauling loads or wood or fence poles and fencing from Tractor Supply and the lumber yard!
Solid EV truck, but the extended option just costs too much. It would be awesome if we can buy the Pro trim with extended range like fleet customers. I can live without all the other bells/whistles
You'll see decontented vehicles when supply catches up with demand. Until then, manufacturers are going to produced loaded high ticket items (as they should).
I wish it had about 500 mile range like my current truck and a 250 mile range pulling a trailer. I’d buy one for sure. I still may buy a used one when the price hits the lower 40’s. That would be a great “around town truck”.
I like ford but for a little less $ I'd just pick a F150 FX4. Especially since battery technology hasn't advanced enough for most people to consider an electric truck.
It’s going to be a while if you’re looking for the next battery chemistry. At the very least a decade. Lithium ion has been around for 30 years without a successor that equals the power to weight and cost. An EV truck would work for every truck driver I know.
My hybrid F150 has a free skid plate. Add a little lift and makes an FX4. Seriously don't know if it's worth the markup. A Tremor would be though. Hope Lightnings eventually come out in that trim!
Awesome video. The work you put in to give us this quality presentation of information to see and explain everything so clearly is fantastic. Thank you!
once you get used to it. The one I drove reminded me of learning to drive a manual transmission back in the 80's, LOL. But when my Lightning comes, I am determined to get it down, and see if I can get 350 miles or more on a 100% charge.
I'm think the Lightning has brake-by-wire, so regen is still on without one-pedal. You tell the left pedal how much deceleration you need, and the computer figures it out.
That chock in the tire change kit makes me wonder if the Lighting will move _a little_ in park, in regards to lacking a transmission....or is the Lightning not budging until the tires start rubbing? Also, are you the type to plug-patch small punctures in the sidewall? ...I ask that because I don't think the Lightning tires are cheap.
I hope this and the hybrid drives down the used Raptor market for people like me 😅 I saw this in person it looks great but nothing beats the look of a Raptor 🦖
Ram TRX might beat the Raptor look.... LOL. But I ditched my RAM for Ford last year, to make sure I would like Fords, before signing up for a Lightning. RAM has some nicer finish touches inside, but Ford evens it out with other things. Really I think it's a wash. Both are great trucks.
Seems like a great truck for someone who basically wants a Tesla with a bed. Obviously not going to work for towing, but for a home Depot runs every once in awhile and commuting back and forth to work, it's awesome. I will never be in the economic bracket that can afford a vehicle like this, but I'm rooting for them to sell as many as they can. Eventually they'll hit the used market and maybe then they'll be viable for regular folk, or at least help bring down the demand for fuel, hopefully dropping the price a little.
There's one problem with a fullsize EV truck in the city and it's the size of the vehicle. Its marketed as a city truck that can tow and haul occasionally but its not easy to fit a fullsize truck in the city. A midsize or compact makes more sense.
@@beexiong2995 yeah, it's a fit in small space is a midsize definitely makes more sense. The good thing about full sizees though is that they're essentially luxury cars. I rode in a co-workers four-door Silverado today, and I was amazed at the amount of space in the backseat, and then I rode in the front seat and enjoyed the air conditioned seats, lol. And the crazy thing is that Silverado has a 5.3 L V8 and gets better fuel economy than my 4.0 V6 4Runner.
I just watched the Cybertruck reveal and watching this review from last year tells me there is zero reason to consider the CT over this. Time to shop F150 Lightnings.
My biggest gripe is the pricing. The base Pro model is the cheapest 4x4 crew cab full size truck you can buy, even cheaper than an XL with the 3.3L V6. Fleet customers can get a Pro extended range for $47k, but thas not available to the public. The XLT starts around $53k, but adding the bag battery adds $20k. Why not make the jump more like the fleet Pro and make the long range XLT $60k? The long range XLT is $72k, which is where a Lariat starts and if you want a long range Lariat it's only about a $5k option. $72k XLT vs $77k Lariat, why buy the XLT?
If only we could pick the options we find instead of Ford packaging them for us. Reviewers have seen very little reason to go beyond the Pro version to get plenty of capability. And the $7500 rebate really makes for a great deal. Batteries are just too costly and heavy so far to allow heavy use. Need to have a charging infrastructure build into the interstates so battery sizes can be reduced. Or a Mr. Fusion in the frunk.
Love the review Ryan, The 2 things I don’t like about the Lightening are; 1), it’s an EV 2), the price I have some friends who live in Ft Worth, TX. Last year during their 2 week brown out, they couldn’t charge their EV from their home. They didn’t have enough juice to get to a recharge station, so they struggled to get to work or the store. As a nation, our electric grid isn’t set up for the demands of everyone using EVs. I suppose we will just keep driving our gas powered vehicles. I’m looking forward to your next review. Have a great day!
@@adofoi30 I agree, but a brown out can happen anywhere at anytime. Diesel fuel is often used to run gasoline pumps should the power goes out. If diesel is available then that is what is used to produce electricity to recharge the EV recharging pumps. Also with the amount of greenhouse gases that are produced when producing lithium batteries to run an EV, is equivalent to driving a gasoline powered vehicle for 90K miles. Most EV batteries have to be replaced around 100-150K miles, so what overall good is it for the environment? Furthermore there are no safe places to discard a lithium battery. The more people who buy EVs everyone’s electric bills will increase. It’s all about supply and demand. I’m not against an EV and would consider buying a Subaru Soltera but not to “save the planet”. The Bible prophecies predicted “Global Warming” over 2K years ago, so there’s nothing we can do to stop what was predicted 2K years ago.
@@adofoi30 California and other states that push EV's see the same issue of brown outs. Hard truth, but the greenest energy is Nuclear; But that's too scary.
53k no back seat arm rest … kinda zonk so you get maverick seats or do these seats feel different from the xlt ? I believe the tire chalk so your truck won’t roll at all . Maybe just extra precaution
How do I take my usual trip from Upstate NY to the hills of Pennsylvania to go camping and drive back on one charge without stopping for charging (because I can do this on one tank of gas)?
Argh, no RFT (Ryan Frunk Test) 😢:D another great review (as usual). I confess that the Rivian looks cooler but the F150 is sure a nice EV Truck! 13:43 nice gimmick but why keeping a stick when 4 buttons would do the job ?
Because it was already a thing on the ICE F-150 and they're trying to keep as much parts commonality as they can. Also, buttons are still very polarizing, even if it's electronic signals to the gearbox either way.
My truck towing nothing depending on elevation and how smooth the road is with my road tires I can get about 35mpg at 60 about 36.5 at 55. The best ive gotten is 38.82 that was with a tail wind pushing me at 65mph 😂I have the aero front end I can put on and the brick nose front end so I don't have to own 2 trucks.
That's pretty insane, but that seems to be a rare use-case. In any case, anyone needing to tow outside their local area more than a couple times a year probably shouldn't get a Lightning.
The auto speed change thing is awesome, if it uses signs and is easily overideable. My Tesla in addition to reading signs, uses a database which is frequently wrong, and you CANNOT override it and still use lane centering. You also cannot turn it off.
I an not familiar with all that tech, but i am curious as what the one pedal drive would do while off road in a hill descent condition. Nice truck though. E-trucks are the futur. The only three problems i see though are range, price and availability. I think we still have a couple of years to get somewhere confortable with those aspects.
Based on my test drive of a Lightning, the 1 petal drive could stop you easily. But is too touchy for curvy roads you might use it on. Hopefully will work better by the time mine is built in late September.
Why would they? Its money in their pocket, and easy money at that with people flocking into dealerships to waste money on them...its the consumers causing the ridiculous prices, not the automaker's fault...its supply and demand...demand is higher than supply, so price gouging runs amuck and will continue to do so until people quit being so stupid with their money. 84+ month car loans good lord. The damn vehicle is long broken down and falling apart before you've even reached the 1/2 way mark in the payment book.
@@jakejohnson9827 It isn't just Ford, every automaker out there has ridiculous prices right now, because like I said people are stupid enough to pay them, so until people stop buying, prices will keep going up and up and up. The sky isn't even the limit anymore.
for 76k I expect a better interior... The exterior already looks outdated Especially from the Side it looks exactly the same as a 2011 F150 It's too vanilla for me.. Personally the Chevy Silverado EV looks way better better interior Better technology A bigger battery capacity it's a no brainer Silverado ev it's the better truck
I too am not crazy about the looks, but Ford quality and performance is as good as it gets when it comes to trucks. GM and Fiat have horrible quality. GM/Chevy specifically have always had electrical problems. Meanwhile Fiat, GM, and Toyota cannot compete in regards to performance. That being said, so much is new on these EVs. I expect a lot of problems from all manufacturers.
One issue with that fold out flat console peice it wont work with your cup in the cup holder lol especially those giant circle k cups or wawa ones so it will be useless if you have drinks in the cup holders
That's the price of my current truck....plus the price of another one of my trucks. I mean, that's a lot of extra gas. I'll pass for now. Upon further inspection...77k for cloth seats! You bloody what, Ford!?
People that purchase any electric vehicle expecting to always achieve the rated range are living in a dream world. These rated ranges are during perfect conditions of which the average person will never see in the real world. It is very possible to achieve 300 mile range with the Ford lightning platinum if it's fully charged and driven until completely empty. And although the lightning extended battery can be charged from 15% to 80% in about 41 minutes on a DC fast charger. If empty & charged to 100% it could take more like 2 hours. Having to stop for 2 hours every 300 miles can be very annoying to say the least. You will have to achieve a minimum 2.3 miles/kWh at all times else you'll get less than 300 miles. How often do you drive until your fuel tank is empty? I'd say not very often and certainly not on purpose. Who wants to be stranded, and with fewer charging stations compared to fuel stations it's more probable to happen with EV's.
They should put a synced up engine track through the stereo system. They could put all iconic Ford motor sounds to it, with your choice of exhaust note to it. Get started with an old flathead sound, with glass packs installed backwards 10k miles ago. Lol Listen to the 289 HiPo Scream around for a bit, as the tuners also put fake shift point burps in the computers tune to match all differing engine sounds. Click on over to a Thundering 428CJ for a spell before giving the BOSS 429 Semi Hemi a go. Finish you cruse up with either a SWEET 5.2L VOODOO shredding down the road, hitting 8k RPMs before shifting. 😍 😛😘 Or, There is a less known little 2.0L 4CL Ford engine built off a Pinto engine platform In a Ford Sierra Cosworth RS 500 in the early 80s, That when a little better turbo system is installed this tiny motor will make 500HP and Sing like an Angry bird with a lovely voice. Absolutely smoking the tires in every gear as soon as the turbo hits in. All this noise can be roaring through the factory Lincoln Revel Ultima 3D system made by Harmon
320 mile range is combination city/highway driving with city getting the best mileage. How many of those miles need to be driven in the city to achieve the 320 mile range. With all highway miles you'd need to achieve an average 2.5 miles/kWh. I'm not sure that can be achieved at 70 mph speeds.
Btw, the dual motor setup is standard on all trims. Also, range reduction when towing is not an EV-specific issue. All vehicles are subject to range reduction when towing as this is a function of payload weight and aerodynamics. The reduction is proportional to what you would see on an ICE vehicle.
Paying that kind of money for a car never made sense to me. Oh yeah, it’s a good car. But you spend 95-99% of your lifetime away from it, while it sits in the parking lot or the driveway. I’d never go over half of that price. Sticker.
Tesla doesn’t provide review vehicles nor do they have a PR department. We’d love to test them but we don’t use privately-owned vehicles (like a Turo rental) for liability reasons.
I like this vehicles powertrain, but a deal breaker for me is the body looks, it has the same old traditional look, it's looking old. I personaly like an electric vehicles that outstands, but I do like the price of this vehicle
@@drivingsports I do like the Hummer better, but I do not like the price tag of it getting over 100k, I like the Rivian better, but this Ford Lightning has a great price and some better features, like the towing capability. Thx for the useful and fun reviews you make in your channel, it's one of my favorite shows
76k truck that has the offroad ability of a minivan. That undercarriage is too low. Id be afraid of smashing rocks. TFL tried to take it offroad but it was a no go lol
What is the max depth of water/mud this truck can Ford....no pun intended. Will this cause potential dage to the electric motors??? I ask because water and electricity do NOT mix well.
Pretty sure you can drive the Lighting underwater as far as you can before you get to drowning. You should check out some videos of RC toy trucks driving underwater.
It's a heck of a lot simpler to waterproof electric motors and batteries than it is an exhaust and air intake. Also, what vehicle are you driving that doesn't have electronic parts for lighting, ignition, wheel speed, transmission and emissions equipment?
Good review overall. I would suggest not to say things like "Tesla has been in government subsidies for years". Tesla had a government loan which they repaid ahead of time. We can say the same about legacy automakers as they did take loans from the government as well. Rivian has an interesting partnership with Amazon which might help them, so far they have been struggling with making enough trucks to satisfy the demand.
Tesla also received subsidies from Texas and China to open the Gigafactories in the past few years. I was making the reference in general terms, which should be accurate. And quite true about the Big 3. One path I could see for Rivian is going commercial-only. With Amazon and other corporate orders taking priority. But nobody really knows at this point.
Rivian is struggling to make trucks for more than just RUclipsrs! But I hope they succeed, because it seems like a great truck and their SUV perhaps even better.
If you are considering a Lightning, there is a good chance you are the perfect person who should just buy a car, because you obviously don't need a truck.
At first I was thinking Ford did another Maverick with this being priced at $54K...great value! But at $76K!!!? with a Maverick interior no less??? INSANE. A lariat is around $80K...which would be a better value...if you can call an $80K pickup good value. LOL!
Can you make some more videos with your wife's crosstrek please. Please. Please. I'm getting one and have ran out of youtube videos for the crosstrek lol.
It truly it's ALL I NEED, BUT . . . Until I get out of broke, these things become affordable by the common folk and the battery able to fully recharge in 5min or less . . . it just ain't gonna happen. So good luck with that, OEMs.✌️
Not sure I've seen this much enthusiasm on this channel! But I drove a Lightning demonstrator at my dealer today and was equally enthused- it was awesome.
Now I want a cowboy hat test for all pickup trucks. This is a very important metric.
Agreed
Extremely in-depth review. Subscribed!
I ordered 10 of these for my business (Pro trim with max towing @ $47XXX) we have just taken delivery of our 4th and we love them so far. Max payload has next to no impact on range.
@@Atomicriffmaster to avoid the seemingly infinite amount of rage trolling & 1 star reviews we’ve received previously whenever I give an experience on virtually any product, I no longer provide that information publicly on youtube. I can say that we have over 60,000 solar installations nationwide so that narrows it down to less than 20 companies
@@mattbrew11 what type of payload are you carrying to get to the max allowable? There should be some impact if hauling an additional ~1500lbs around with you. I'm sure it does pretty well still if the aerodynamic profile isnt disturbed too much (like a trailer might do), but next to no impact seems like it needs more A-B testing to determine better.
@@ALMX5DP with a full pallet of solar panels and the ancillary equipment required to install it z(inverters, racking, wire looms, switch gear and breakers) our lifetime fleet average so far is 2.3 miles/kWh and unladed 2.5. Loads don’t stick up above the cab which is likely crucial. Worth noting these are small battery trucks with max tow and few other options. Crew is typically 3 on both trips. The truck barely squats and the difference in power and range is almost imperceptible. Towing range is halved with a 6x12 box trailer. Aerodynamics is the game with evs
@@mattbrew11 gotcha, still 2.3 vs 2.5 if accurate shows an 8% drop in range (not sure how much of your fleet average is with that fully loaded figure). Definitely not bad as like you said most of the drain is from aerodynamic drag when running at any sensible speeds.
@@ALMX5DP I was being relative. Take the 2.7, 5L or ecoboost, max out the payload and report back.
The price of the trim level starting at $53k and your as tested model being $76k is what drives me nuts! At $80k you've got a nice play toy for those making six figures but for average hard working Americans dealing with record inflation, stagflation this vehicle means absolutely nothing.
were you born yesterday? EVs are not made for the poor. How often do you see a burger flipper rolling into work in a brand new tesla.
$23000 in options, and yet still $76000 for CLOTH SEATS 😭😭
@@happyfark8602 what about a middle class contractor who needs a new truck or 2 for his local construction company?
The base level of new trucks today is way way better than the top trims of yesterday. In reality, car/truck prices actually decreased consistently over time.
@@IWillSmurfYou so you do realize there is a Pro model that starts at 40k for just that reason right.
I was actually in the Cascades off road in a Chevy Bolt EV. Even with the rainy weather, it was a blast. I hope to go back at some point.
I wondered how tough that little care would be - glad to here it is coming through. Hope it sells tons! The more out there, the more mountain charging stations will be out there, and the better our air and skies!
A metal skid plate helps and AT tires. What I really need is a suspension upgrade.
@@eaglescout205 Agree there. Respect for trying it. While I enjoy my 2009 Ford Escape Hybrid with some GENTLE off-roading, like around pastures, I also broke suspension parts doing that (twice) and that was just driving up to a pond! Driving a truck made for that gives a sense of security lacking when hoping a car will make it!
The fact that you had to change the tire makes this a really unique and useful review on top of the great one that it all ready was
Cool truck. Great review. I don’t know if electric is for me, but I would consider this truck. Regarding no hill descent control, maybe the “one pedal” mode would work for that?
Excellent demonstration of the included full size spare tire, which sadly, is not a guarantee these days, even in pickups.
Other than the unibody trucks out now, do you know which brands/models dont have a full size spare?
@@ALMX5DP Most if not ALL body on frame trucks have a full size spare. The really issue it to have the correct wheel nuts. Toyota is bad...my Tundra has alloy rims and chrome wheel nuts which WILL NOT work with a steel rim. I have 5 steel rim nuts with me JIC.
Awesome review. If I ever get a pickup this will likely be it. Are you in the queue to get a Rivian for review?
I love your reviews awesome stuff Im wish I had more money lol my dream truck right there next to the Maverick
All F150 Lightnings have dual motor 4 wheel drive systems.
I think it should have hill descend control. Even if it doesn't, you should be able to use 1 pedal drive to mimic that.
It’s a great and necessary truck. But this 1st gen isn’t ready for mainstream. The hybrid is still the most impressive f150.
Ex aequo with a hybrid Maverick (not an F-vehicle, I know, for some even not a T-vehicle, but definitely an impressive mainstream one.
I actually agree with you, even though I am getting one. If I was ranching or hauling trailers a lot, it would be inadequate. But for me, it is what I need, and meets my wish for me to be better for envt. If I was hauling frequently or long, the Hybrid, or a F250 or 350 would be a much more practical vehicle. In 5 years or so, I'll probably get a new F150, with 500 miles range or so, like my Hybrid now.
Can't wait for when they get the battery life sorted out even more because I don't need a new truck now, but eventually when I do, the size of that frunk is insane. I do a ton of mountain bike and road cycling with a lot of people, and that's exactly where I'm going to keep a bunch of my tools and gear. AND still have room left over for more stuff when needed.
I agree with the previous commenter. This is the problem these manufacturers are going to have to iron out if they ever want to sell a large amount of these electric vehicles to the masses. Bumping up against 75K for a mid-level trim with a few goodies is ridiculous. I get it, it’s an expensive manufacturing process. But again, they are going to have to figure that out if they ever want to have successful mass sell numbers to the general public.
Take into account the $7500 rebate an they're right in line with ICE equivalents
@@CypressRacing I hear ya. But I’ve also read in several places that those rebates are slowly going away as the manufacturers reach a certain sales threshold for EVs. I think, and I could be wrong, but I think Toyota might be one? Not sure on that.
@@CypressRacing I think selling 150,000 a year of Lightnings is a pretty large amount. Though of course not on parity with ICE Ford trucks. But will probably be the tipping point to getting there. Then with the Silverado and Ram EV trucks in 2024, it won't be long before it is no longer a curious rarity, but just another truck, that fills up with a cable instead of a hose. Though of course takes longer to fill.
76k for a ‘more entry level seat’ is the most domestic, post-2010s truck thing I’ve ever heard.
We dont get the F150's where I live, but we're getting the Ranger Lightning in a year or two (whenever its ready) and I cant wait.
I like a Ford as brand. Ford makes a very cool and good cars, it is better than volkswagen or BMW. I have a Ford Focus and I think that car is a good, because I don't do any important repairs :)
Greetings from Poland 🇵🇱
“It doesn’t have a yoke”, holy hell I laughed at that line longer then I should have. LMAO.
Ryan Douthit, I have a friend with the same last name, Mike! Nonetheless, this was great coverage. Thanks for the content!
We’re most likely related. What part of the country does he live in?
The power frunk starts to close right away when you hit the button but to open it has a 5 year delay
Cant wait to see you review on the R1S!
Great truck, great review. You hit a lot of points anyone interested in buying one should know.
I think you glossed over a big question, how does it do towing/hauling at highway speeds. If (hopefully when) you get a 2nd chance with the truck going on a harder off road test please consider doing a towing efficiency test as well. Some people are going to hear 300 mile range and assume it will do close to that when towing, I'd be surprised if it even got half that range under a load. And to go with that is the infrastructure for fast charging.
And again, I'm not criticizing the review, I enjoyed it and thought it was well done. Just a request in case you get another shot with the truck in the future.
If you tow a long way, you're unfortunately pretty much stuck with a gas or diesel truck if stopping every 100 miles is a problem. Personally, owning an internal combustion vehicle is something I'll never do again, so I would put up with stopping every 1.5 hours instead of dealing with a gas/diesel vehicle ever again.
The lighting is a hell of a truck, awesome all around vehicle
Awesome review as always. I'm looking at the PRO as a future option!
In the settings you can adjust the +/- on how it reacts to speed signs.
I have a 21 Escape Hybrid. As far as the drive modes go, some are gimmicks, but Fords definitely are not. The differences between Normal, Eco, and Sport are huge.
Love your content. Your commentary about Tesla being on “subsidies for years” is inaccurate. Remember, tax payers bailed out GM. Tesla had loans it paid back early.
Appreciate all the video you did. it's help me alot in decision making. . Can you please do the review for the KIA SPORTAGE 2023 . .Looking forward to see you soon.
I have the long range Lariat. One thing I did was to buy a small microwave oven that I can plug in while on a road trip and cook my lunch and dinner right on the middle fold out table.
Ryan, At first glance the Lightning seems very impressive. Let's review things in a year or two 😉
It's an F150. I'm ready for it. There will be 1st gen birthing pains, like any new engine or trannie, but it is an F150. And mine will be delivered in October, to replace my current F150. Look for me out west camping away from the pavement, or hauling loads or wood or fence poles and fencing from Tractor Supply and the lumber yard!
@@FreedomToRoam86 **jealous...
Best Lightning review video I've seen on the youtoob. Very complete and objective.
Lovely truck,
Just a quick question to Driving Sports TV, is it possible for the F150 to be converted to right hand drive?
Solid EV truck, but the extended option just costs too much. It would be awesome if we can buy the Pro trim with extended range like fleet customers. I can live without all the other bells/whistles
You'll see decontented vehicles when supply catches up with demand. Until then, manufacturers are going to produced loaded high ticket items (as they should).
I wish it had about 500 mile range like my current truck and a 250 mile range pulling a trailer.
I’d buy one for sure.
I still may buy a used one when the price hits the lower 40’s. That would be a great “around town truck”.
"no descent mode" - but did you have the max regen braking turned on at that time? (you mentioned turning it off earlier)
I like ford but for a little less $ I'd just pick a F150 FX4. Especially since battery technology hasn't advanced enough for most people to consider an electric truck.
It’s going to be a while if you’re looking for the next battery chemistry. At the very least a decade. Lithium ion has been around for 30 years without a successor that equals the power to weight and cost. An EV truck would work for every truck driver I know.
@@TobyCostaRica and none that work im very cold temps. EV vehicles are notoriously bad in the winter.
My hybrid F150 has a free skid plate. Add a little lift and makes an FX4. Seriously don't know if it's worth the markup. A Tremor would be though. Hope Lightnings eventually come out in that trim!
Awesome video. The work you put in to give us this quality presentation of information to see and explain everything so clearly is fantastic. Thank you!
You'll get the maximum regenerative braking using the one pedal driving. Plus this will increase your mileage range especially in stop and go traffic.
once you get used to it. The one I drove reminded me of learning to drive a manual transmission back in the 80's, LOL. But when my Lightning comes, I am determined to get it down, and see if I can get 350 miles or more on a 100% charge.
I'm think the Lightning has brake-by-wire, so regen is still on without one-pedal. You tell the left pedal how much deceleration you need, and the computer figures it out.
That chock in the tire change kit makes me wonder if the Lighting will move _a little_ in park, in regards to lacking a transmission....or is the Lightning not budging until the tires start rubbing?
Also, are you the type to plug-patch small punctures in the sidewall? ...I ask that because I don't think the Lightning tires are cheap.
No tire can be safely plugged in the sidewall...unless it's your ex's!
2022 Ford F-150 is very special.❤
I hope this and the hybrid drives down the used Raptor market for people like me 😅 I saw this in person it looks great but nothing beats the look of a Raptor 🦖
Ram TRX might beat the Raptor look.... LOL. But I ditched my RAM for Ford last year, to make sure I would like Fords, before signing up for a Lightning. RAM has some nicer finish touches inside, but Ford evens it out with other things. Really I think it's a wash. Both are great trucks.
The Ford F150, regular or lightning, is my best favorite car
Seems like a great truck for someone who basically wants a Tesla with a bed. Obviously not going to work for towing, but for a home Depot runs every once in awhile and commuting back and forth to work, it's awesome. I will never be in the economic bracket that can afford a vehicle like this, but I'm rooting for them to sell as many as they can. Eventually they'll hit the used market and maybe then they'll be viable for regular folk, or at least help bring down the demand for fuel, hopefully dropping the price a little.
There's one problem with a fullsize EV truck in the city and it's the size of the vehicle. Its marketed as a city truck that can tow and haul occasionally but its not easy to fit a fullsize truck in the city. A midsize or compact makes more sense.
@@beexiong2995 yeah, it's a fit in small space is a midsize definitely makes more sense. The good thing about full sizees though is that they're essentially luxury cars. I rode in a co-workers four-door Silverado today, and I was amazed at the amount of space in the backseat, and then I rode in the front seat and enjoyed the air conditioned seats, lol. And the crazy thing is that Silverado has a 5.3 L V8 and gets better fuel economy than my 4.0 V6 4Runner.
Great video!
I just watched the Cybertruck reveal and watching this review from last year tells me there is zero reason to consider the CT over this. Time to shop F150 Lightnings.
Bought one 20,000 k ago and love it!
My biggest gripe is the pricing. The base Pro model is the cheapest 4x4 crew cab full size truck you can buy, even cheaper than an XL with the 3.3L V6. Fleet customers can get a Pro extended range for $47k, but thas not available to the public. The XLT starts around $53k, but adding the bag battery adds $20k. Why not make the jump more like the fleet Pro and make the long range XLT $60k? The long range XLT is $72k, which is where a Lariat starts and if you want a long range Lariat it's only about a $5k option. $72k XLT vs $77k Lariat, why buy the XLT?
If only we could pick the options we find instead of Ford packaging them for us. Reviewers have seen very little reason to go beyond the Pro version to get plenty of capability. And the $7500 rebate really makes for a great deal. Batteries are just too costly and heavy so far to allow heavy use. Need to have a charging infrastructure build into the interstates so battery sizes can be reduced. Or a Mr. Fusion in the frunk.
Love the review Ryan,
The 2 things I don’t like about the Lightening are;
1), it’s an EV
2), the price
I have some friends who live in Ft Worth, TX.
Last year during their 2 week brown out, they couldn’t charge their EV from their home. They didn’t have enough juice to get to a recharge station, so they struggled to get to work or the store.
As a nation, our electric grid isn’t set up for the demands of everyone using EVs.
I suppose we will just keep driving our gas powered vehicles.
I’m looking forward to your next review.
Have a great day!
Your friend’s first mistake was being in Texas….. 😇. No electricity also means GAS pumps at gas stations can’t work!
@@adofoi30 I agree, but a brown out can happen anywhere at anytime.
Diesel fuel is often used to run gasoline pumps should the power goes out.
If diesel is available then that is what is used to produce electricity to recharge the EV recharging pumps.
Also with the amount of greenhouse gases that are produced when producing lithium batteries to run an EV, is equivalent to driving a gasoline powered vehicle for 90K miles.
Most EV batteries have to be replaced around 100-150K miles, so what overall good is it for the environment?
Furthermore there are no safe places to discard a lithium battery.
The more people who buy EVs everyone’s electric bills will increase.
It’s all about supply and demand.
I’m not against an EV and would consider buying a Subaru Soltera but not to “save the planet”.
The Bible prophecies predicted “Global Warming” over 2K years ago, so there’s nothing we can do to stop what was predicted 2K years ago.
@@adofoi30 California and other states that push EV's see the same issue of brown outs.
Hard truth, but the greenest energy is Nuclear; But that's too scary.
Solar panels and windmills in the yard will charge you up...hmm, that may not work for an apartment dweller.
Best part, it's an EV with buttons and dials. So much better than the giant screen in the top trim.
53k no back seat arm rest … kinda zonk so you get maverick seats or do these seats feel different from the xlt ? I believe the tire chalk so your truck won’t roll at all . Maybe just extra precaution
How do I take my usual trip from Upstate NY to the hills of Pennsylvania to go camping and drive back on one charge without stopping for charging (because I can do this on one tank of gas)?
Ford is kicking ass..
I'm loving my XLT Lightning
This comment was a year ago-do you still love it?
@@grisa12345 Own a 2022 Lariat Lightning and it is the best vehicle I have ever owned. Love it!!
Next time you take one off-road, try the one pedal driving as the hill descent control... just a thought.
Argh, no RFT (Ryan Frunk Test) 😢:D another great review (as usual). I confess that the Rivian looks cooler but the F150 is sure a nice EV Truck!
13:43 nice gimmick but why keeping a stick when 4 buttons would do the job ?
Because I will buy a fully loaded F150 Lightning Platinum.
Because it was already a thing on the ICE F-150 and they're trying to keep as much parts commonality as they can. Also, buttons are still very polarizing, even if it's electronic signals to the gearbox either way.
2 weeks later tyre fixed- nice timing :)
My truck towing nothing depending on elevation and how smooth the road is with my road tires I can get about 35mpg at 60 about 36.5 at 55. The best ive gotten is 38.82 that was with a tail wind pushing me at 65mph 😂I have the aero front end I can put on and the brick nose front end so I don't have to own 2 trucks.
That's pretty insane, but that seems to be a rare use-case. In any case, anyone needing to tow outside their local area more than a couple times a year probably shouldn't get a Lightning.
Sounds like a really great vehicle! 👍
You gotta put on a cowboy hat.
The auto speed change thing is awesome, if it uses signs and is easily overideable. My Tesla in addition to reading signs, uses a database which is frequently wrong, and you CANNOT override it and still use lane centering. You also cannot turn it off.
I an not familiar with all that tech, but i am curious as what the one pedal drive would do while off road in a hill descent condition.
Nice truck though. E-trucks are the futur. The only three problems i see though are range, price and availability. I think we still have a couple of years to get somewhere confortable with those aspects.
And I will buy a fully loaded F150 Lightning Platinum anyway.
Based on my test drive of a Lightning, the 1 petal drive could stop you easily. But is too touchy for curvy roads you might use it on. Hopefully will work better by the time mine is built in late September.
Please do a video on the TRX!!
it’s going for over $140k now ! Ford needs to do Something about it.
Why would they? Its money in their pocket, and easy money at that with people flocking into dealerships to waste money on them...its the consumers causing the ridiculous prices, not the automaker's fault...its supply and demand...demand is higher than supply, so price gouging runs amuck and will continue to do so until people quit being so stupid with their money. 84+ month car loans good lord. The damn vehicle is long broken down and falling apart before you've even reached the 1/2 way mark in the payment book.
@@jakejohnson9827 It isn't just Ford, every automaker out there has ridiculous prices right now, because like I said people are stupid enough to pay them, so until people stop buying, prices will keep going up and up and up. The sky isn't even the limit anymore.
Good luck, Tesla. I’ll never own an electric vehicle. But this Ford is damn nice.
for 76k I expect a better interior... The exterior already looks outdated Especially from the Side it looks exactly the same as a 2011 F150 It's too vanilla for me.. Personally the Chevy Silverado EV looks way better better interior Better technology A bigger battery capacity it's a no brainer Silverado ev it's the better truck
I too am not crazy about the looks, but Ford quality and performance is as good as it gets when it comes to trucks. GM and Fiat have horrible quality. GM/Chevy specifically have always had electrical problems. Meanwhile Fiat, GM, and Toyota cannot compete in regards to performance.
That being said, so much is new on these EVs. I expect a lot of problems from all manufacturers.
Then go buy the Chevy, oh wait, you can’t because it does not exist
Ford has awesome interiors everyone says. Get GMs version then. Ford Is way ahead right now.
@@WontSeeReplies Yes, everyone says Ford is best in trucks out there. I agree 100% . Very hard to beat them.
It's a game of leapfrog....although Ford sometimes leaps ahead when GM is still behind them.
One issue with that fold out flat console peice it wont work with your cup in the cup holder lol especially those giant circle k cups or wawa ones so it will be useless if you have drinks in the cup holders
That's the price of my current truck....plus the price of another one of my trucks. I mean, that's a lot of extra gas. I'll pass for now. Upon further inspection...77k for cloth seats! You bloody what, Ford!?
People that purchase any electric vehicle expecting to always achieve the rated range are living in a dream world. These rated ranges are during perfect conditions of which the average person will never see in the real world. It is very possible to achieve 300 mile range with the Ford lightning platinum if it's fully charged and driven until completely empty. And although the lightning extended battery can be charged from 15% to 80% in about 41 minutes on a DC fast charger. If empty & charged to 100% it could take more like 2 hours. Having to stop for 2 hours every 300 miles can be very annoying to say the least. You will have to achieve a minimum 2.3 miles/kWh at all times else you'll get less than 300 miles. How often do you drive until your fuel tank is empty? I'd say not very often and certainly not on purpose. Who wants to be stranded, and with fewer charging stations compared to fuel stations it's more probable to happen with EV's.
They should put a synced up engine track through the stereo system.
They could put all iconic Ford motor sounds to it, with your choice of exhaust note to it.
Get started with an old flathead sound, with glass packs installed backwards 10k miles ago.
Lol
Listen to the 289 HiPo Scream around for a bit, as the tuners also put fake shift point burps in the computers tune to match all differing engine sounds.
Click on over to a Thundering 428CJ for a spell before giving the
BOSS 429 Semi Hemi a go.
Finish you cruse up with either a SWEET 5.2L VOODOO shredding down the road,
hitting 8k RPMs before shifting. 😍 😛😘
Or, There is a less known little 2.0L 4CL Ford engine built off a Pinto engine platform
In a Ford Sierra Cosworth RS 500 in the early 80s,
That when a little better turbo system is installed
this tiny motor will make 500HP and Sing like an Angry bird with a lovely voice.
Absolutely smoking the tires in every gear as soon as the turbo hits in.
All this noise can be roaring through the factory Lincoln Revel Ultima 3D system
made by Harmon
320 mile range is combination city/highway driving with city getting the best mileage.
How many of those miles need to be driven in the city to achieve the 320 mile range.
With all highway miles you'd need to achieve an average 2.5 miles/kWh. I'm not sure that can be achieved at 70 mph speeds.
I like some of the other folks on here find the Chevy EV to be more appealing, although I think internal combustion is better for full size trucks
The powerboost is truly much better than the lightning. All the same benefits with the benefit that it is gas powered so you can do much more with it.
Can I get a regular cab with a long bed? Don't think so. You'll need those tie-down hooks because half your load will be hanging off the bed.
Btw, the dual motor setup is standard on all trims. Also, range reduction when towing is not an EV-specific issue. All vehicles are subject to range reduction when towing as this is a function of payload weight and aerodynamics. The reduction is proportional to what you would see on an ICE vehicle.
Spending hours recharging every 100 miles vs refueling in 5 miutes every 200 miles...next time THINK before you TYPE.
Good luck 👍
test the Rivian please :)
The only EV I'd consider buying...take into account the $7500 rebate and the pricing is right in line with ICE equivalents.
I wonder how many mpge it gets at 55mph no ac on
So far the only complaints I’ve heard from people that own one is they do not like the charge time
EVs are really meant for around town/county driving and charging slowly at home, which satisfies 90% of folks. Fast charging is hard on batteries.
@@tomcez Unless you live in a condo or apt...
Paying that kind of money for a car never made sense to me. Oh yeah, it’s a good car. But you spend 95-99% of your lifetime away from it, while it sits in the parking lot or the driveway.
I’d never go over half of that price. Sticker.
Why aren't there any Tesla reviews on this channel? I Like your format and style it would be nice to watch some Tesla content here
Tesla doesn’t provide review vehicles nor do they have a PR department. We’d love to test them but we don’t use privately-owned vehicles (like a Turo rental) for liability reasons.
How do I plug it in to charge it in the woods?
KOA campground!
I like this vehicles powertrain, but a deal breaker for me is the body looks, it has the same old traditional look, it's looking old. I personaly like an electric vehicles that outstands, but I do like the price of this vehicle
Sounds like a new electric Hummer has your name on it.
@@drivingsports I do like the Hummer better, but I do not like the price tag of it getting over 100k, I like the Rivian better, but this Ford Lightning has a great price and some better features, like the towing capability.
Thx for the useful and fun reviews you make in your channel, it's one of my favorite shows
@@RichardVac And I will buy a fully loaded F150 Lightning Platinum anyway.
Its a truck, to do truck things, although about $50k too expensive, and 2 doors too many.
@@wildbill23c And I will buy a fully loaded F150 Lightning Platinum anyway.
What about heat and a/c?
76k truck that has the offroad ability of a minivan. That undercarriage is too low. Id be afraid of smashing rocks. TFL tried to take it offroad but it was a no go lol
You sound like Ford hater sent from China to put down American companies.
what do you think a range on road vs off road? I do overlanding/camping so it's kind important.
We have found that off-road does not reduce range at all. In fact it’s sometimes better because you don’t have wind resistance to worry about.
@@drivingsports ah OK interesting I thought it would effect as using more power to move a car at challenging portions.
What is the max depth of water/mud this truck can Ford....no pun intended. Will this cause potential dage to the electric motors??? I ask because water and electricity do NOT mix well.
Pretty sure you can drive the Lighting underwater as far as you can before you get to drowning. You should check out some videos of RC toy trucks driving underwater.
It's a heck of a lot simpler to waterproof electric motors and batteries than it is an exhaust and air intake.
Also, what vehicle are you driving that doesn't have electronic parts for lighting, ignition, wheel speed, transmission and emissions equipment?
Good review overall. I would suggest not to say things like "Tesla has been in government subsidies for years". Tesla had a government loan which they repaid ahead of time. We can say the same about legacy automakers as they did take loans from the government as well.
Rivian has an interesting partnership with Amazon which might help them, so far they have been struggling with making enough trucks to satisfy the demand.
Tesla also received subsidies from Texas and China to open the Gigafactories in the past few years. I was making the reference in general terms, which should be accurate. And quite true about the Big 3. One path I could see for Rivian is going commercial-only. With Amazon and other corporate orders taking priority. But nobody really knows at this point.
Rivian is struggling to make trucks for more than just RUclipsrs! But I hope they succeed, because it seems like a great truck and their SUV perhaps even better.
76K is enough gas for the rest of my life.
One tank at a time instead of all at once or financed out to even more.
And I will buy a fully loaded F150 Lightning Platinum.
If you are considering a Lightning, there is a good chance you are the perfect person who should just buy a car, because you obviously don't need a truck.
At first I was thinking Ford did another Maverick with this being priced at $54K...great value! But at $76K!!!? with a Maverick interior no less??? INSANE. A lariat is around $80K...which would be a better value...if you can call an $80K pickup good value. LOL!
Can you make some more videos with your wife's crosstrek please. Please. Please. I'm getting one and have ran out of youtube videos for the crosstrek lol.
You should try to get a pro version and compare them.
One pedal mode would work as hill desent control, plus it will charge the bat Why didn't you think of that?
Hill descent programming is different than just braking. I didn’t suggest it because it’s not the same thing.
Fantastic for someone that does astronomy with astrophotography...like me...but that price...ouch
Funny how that's the same rear suspension that's in a Corvair...
I would like to see a more realistic off road test.
It truly it's ALL I NEED, BUT . . .
Until I get out of broke, these things become affordable by the common folk and the battery able to fully recharge in 5min or less . . . it just ain't gonna happen.
So good luck with that, OEMs.✌️