I am an engineer, and had to manage the heat in consumer electronics products I designed. It absolutely makes sense that warmer on the outside means the heat developed in the conductors is getting out to the environment. That's a good thing.
Agreed that better external transfer of heat is better, but more heat could also mean the connector tolerances are too loose and high resistance is creating excess heat. Really the test is flawed as we don’t know the thermal performance unless there’s a teardown.
@@Johno144 Yes, the real parameter of interest is not the external temperature of the adapter - it is the temperature of the conductors. I wonder if there is any way to access the data from the internal temperature sensors while the adapter is in use.
It's better to not make the heat in the first place. This strikes me as an excuse. Could be the smaller adapter is using smaller conductors which makes more heat to begin with.
@@GregHassler Considerable heat is inevitable given the physical size of the pins and the current being carried through them. It's not an excuse, merely an observation, that all other factors being equal, an adapter with a shorter or more conductice thermal path from the pins to the exterior will have a warmer case and cooler pins than an adapter that traps that heat inside.
@@jimmurphy5355 No, the real parameter of interest is the resistance of the conduction path in the adapter, thus how much power is wasted as heat. More massive conductors and a low thermal resistance path to the outside could result in lower temperatures even though the actual power wasted is high, compared to low mass conductors and high thermal path resulting in higher conductor temperatures but actually less power wasted. So, the best measurement to take is the voltage drop across the input to output at a given known current to compare wasted power.
I've been using A2Z adapter for 2 months now for my Lightning, it's great adapter and the access to the Supercharger has been so great. Tesla has a ton of stalls and there's always a spot to charge unlike EA with 6 stalls where in my area is always busy and you have to wait to charge.
My wife’s friends used my Lectron adapter (post recall) and sent me a great video of them trying to unplug it from the NACS connector with one pulling in the adapter and the other on the cable…. Texted them to plug it back into her Mach E and then unplug… presto, came right out. Instructions included with the adapter said to do exactly that.
So why this helps is that the car is being used as another 'hand' holding the adapter securely so you can exert more force when releasing the NACS latch and pulling. When you are trying to do this with your two arms (pushing a latch and simultaneously trying to pull the adapter off the cable), this is harder to do. Even Tom mentioned this, and depending on strength and dexterity of the individual - could be more of a challenge. Seems like Lectron still has some tolerancing issues - it shouldn't be this difficult or variable.
It's the intuitive way to use tgat adapter anyway, put it in the car first, plug in NACS, then when finished unplug the NACS then unplug the adapter. It's easy to use.
Hi Tom, I reserved my "tesla" adapter back on Feb 29 (this was the first day reservations were accepted by Ford) current delivery update is September 2024. Ordered a Vortex in March (after watching your review) and received in late June due to the Lectron recall delays. Was so exited, went out to test at my local supercharger. Plug and charge worked perfect (no tesla app required). Tested for 15 minutes. Time to leave, the NACS plug will NOT come out. I am not a small guy , all my strength both thumps, fought it for 20 minutes. Finally called my wife who brought me a large set of pump pliers (channel locks). Popped it out with minor scuffs to the top of the adapter. Went to my local Princess Auto and picked up a set of welding vice grips. You know the big hook/clamp ones perfect for applying pressure to a small point. Back to the supercharger, setup the vice grips, tried three different EVSE (all stuck, used the vice grips to release) on the fourth I can release the NACS connecter easily with my forefinger. Thought about returning the adapter but the release works fine now. Will keep the vice grips in car in case I come across someone needing assistance. Amazing how helpless you feel when you cant get the adapter off the NACS connecter. So glad I wasnt on a road trip. Appreciate your content.
Is the GM NACS to CCS1 adapter (Part Number: 85090442) priced at $25 + sales tax be available soon? I called my Chevrolet dealership the other day and in fact it is on the parts database though it is not yet available for pre-order. The A2Z Typhoon and Lectron Vortex Plug are great options once GM gives the green light to charge at Tesla’s Superchargers. Another great and informative video from @StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney
Thank you for the valuable information. This is encouraging. I ordered my complimentary adapter from Ford back in February. So I'll use my ICE vehicle for road trips until it arrives from Ford. I'm the meantime, I absolutely love my Lightning for normal, everyday, "50-mile-radius" errands and commuting. It's comforting to have the FCSP and HIS features at home. I love it!
@tommol Your video prompted me to test my brand new Lectron adapter before embarking on a road trip next weekend. Good thing I did. The charging went great, until I had to disconnect the adapter from the supercharger cable. I followed the Lectron instructions and the adapter would not release from the cable as you described in your video that some others were experiencing. After about 15 minutes of trying about everything, I was about to leave the adapter connected to the supercharger cable and leave but thought I would give it one more try. With the adapter inserted to the car, I pressed the release and pulled as hard as I could for 30 plus seconds and it finally popped out. @Lectron definitely has issues and now has overcompensated. The spring on the release is way too strong and I think part of the problem is with the position of the release, you have one finger able to hold it fully compressed while using Sam hand to hold adapter against the car port and using the free hand to pull out the supercharger cable. Holding the release fulling compressed with such a strong spring with one finger while providing opposing forces to pull it out seems to be a problem. I wish I had been able to get a video to share with you.
I tried my Lectron adapter that I received earlier this week. I too had issues disconnecting from the Tesla Supercharger wand and almost gave up and left it there. I'm not happy at all.
Was expecting the Tesla adapter for my Mach-e in May. After following up by email was told their were production issues at Tesla and that no ETA could be provided. To me that meant many months and likely increased demand for 3rd party adapters. I have some long road trips planned for the summer so I ordered the A2Z as it was available faster than the Lectron. Received it in 10 days and tried it a few days ago. Read some reviews that some people had difficulty getting the Tesla plug far enough into the A2Z to be able to engage the locking slider. I experienced this problem and almost gave up after many attempts. However, I was eventually able to engage the lock and was able to do so easily on the first try when testing the lock/unlock 3 or 4 times. I think it just needed to wear in a bit. It came with a great case and seems extremely well built. I also knew about the position Ford was taking on 3rd party adapters but felt comfortable enough based on the adapter's specs relative to the pending standards. Hope this helps.
I received my Lectron unit this week and tried it out at the local Supercharger. I was unable to remove the Tesla connector while attached to the Lightning. I removed both the cable and the adapter and with enough wiggling around, final got the cable out. Based on my experience, I think the A2Z folks made a good decision to go manual, as they can tolerate more variance in the Tesla connector. (Next time I will try to push down on the connector as suggested by others, to see if that helps. In principle, that will increase the distance from the pin to the connector.)
I got the A2Z adapter for my Rivian, suddenly went form barely being able to DC charge, due to lots of broken unreliable chargers in my area to 100% reliable SC charging. Difference in experience is awesome , literally not having to worry if a charger will work or not. We just need the extension cable for the V3 chargers to mitigate the charge port location issues.
Great review. I ordered the A2Z on Monday after a disappointing road trip over the weekend due to EA, Chargepoint, EVgo charging station availability to charge my Kia EV9(CCS & J1772). So frustrating! I bought the Typhoon for Superchargers along with the AC adapter add-on for Level 2 destination chargers. Fingers-crossed this solves my charging woes on future roadtrips.
Have you heard any news when General Motors is going to come out with their adapter for Teslas DC fast char I need one I have the Chevy equinox and I love it
I just got a Vortex plug today, I tried just plugging the Tesla end into the adapter loose, and it plugged and unplugged just fine, and feels very snug. I did have to press the release tab about 1/2 way in order to fully insert the Tesla plug, I didn't want to force it. Did a short test charge on my Ford at the supercharger by my house, it worked flawlessly. Thanks for the discount code. It was super fast too, I placed the order on Friday, and it literally arrived on Monday.
I had the problem with the Lectron adapter getting stuck to the NACS cable/receptacle. It took several minutes and a lot of effort before releasing. I almost gave up and was about to leave it attached. It released perfectly fine from the vehicle, a Rivian. I also have an A2Z adapter and it was worked perfectly.
I got my Lectron charger about 8 days ago. Post recall. I had the same exact issue the first time I tried a week ago. I could not release the charger from the adapter. Finally, after 20 minutes, I was able to get it unreleased. Was a scary situation. I almost had to leave the adapter attached to the charging cord, just like the example video you had where it was just left attached at the charger. I tried for a second time yesterday at a different Tesla site and it worked well. I think it can be the difference in how the Tesla site cords may be slightly different from one to the other with wear and tear. I did follow the instructions Lectron says to unrelease the cord first, before the adapter from the vehicle.
For the Tesla adapter, can you remove the NACS cable while the adapter is in the car, and then remove the adapter? That might be a more seamless way to remove the adapter than what you're showing.
Yes, but that isn't the way Tesla or Ford/Rivian advise. Oddly, the UL method is opposite - and that is what Lectron says to do - disconnect NACS cable while the adapter is still fitted to the car.
Hi Tom, thanks for all your hard work and your videos. I would gladly pick up one of these adapters. Do you know if Mercedes EQE can charge on Tesla yet? There was talk about it a while back ago. Them and Rivian was supposed to be already going I know riven is already working thanks.
I received a Lectron adapter in early to Mid May. Seemed good until I tried to disconnect from the NACS connection. IT Would not release until I got really rough with it using a big wrench to force it apart. Contacted Lectron and they said it was my fault and I should have disconnected the NACS connection from my truck before I released the NACS connector. Which was BS. I did a little modification to the lock pin and reduced its size and now I can get it to disconnect, but with still some difficulty. I would like to note that when I had to get rough with it the first time I disconnected the pin inside had some plastic shavings inside from my rough disconnect.
So my Ford adapter just got pushed back to 1/2025!!! I ordered in March of 2024. Very disappointing. Do you have any info on this latest delay?? Thank you for your great content, love your channel!!
%15 off the Lectron for ONLY 7 Days? Man Lectron does not know how to do customer service. They need to sell this for $125 to gain customers back. I cancelled mine and order and received a A2Z one. took 4 weeks.
Tom, My Lectron Vortex adapter arrived today. It feels substantial and fairly heavy. We have a BMW iX M60 and a Volvo C40, neither of which are a part of the Tesla network yet. My son has a Ford Lightning and we plan to get together on Father’s Day and charge his truck at a Tesla V3 Supercharger to see how the adapter works. Since his “gifted” Tesla adapter from Ford likely won’t arrive until late in the year, he’ll use this adapter until then. I’ll let you know if there are any issues.
got the ford nd lectron adapter. both work great but the lectron has a better feel to it. I agree with tom that the nacs switch on ford is too clunky. wish i ordered with the lectron code though hahah🤣
Bought a Lectron Adapter for my (CCS Equipped) Ford Focus Electric. Unfortunately the Ford Focus isn't supported yet (despite being a Ford) but I'm keeping mine in anticipation since it seems like good quality and isn't a recall unit. Quite disappointed in Ford since the Focus Electric has a CCS port and should theoretically be fine to use on Superchargers, but they have not whitelisted us.
My new lectron adapter could not be removed from the Tesla cable this morning after its first use. We spent a half hour twisting, tugging, squeezing the nacs release switch very firmly. Then plugged it back into my ford, and charging some more, and attempting to disconnect the Tesla cable first. No luck, I eventually had to leave it on the cable and go home.
@@marlonhoward5483 As I was (embarrassingly) struggling to get the adapter off, dozens of teslas came in an charged and then left. So it is unlikely to be Tesla's fault. Imagine the situation if a tesla NACS connector would not release from a Tesla car!
Thank you for all of your great videos. It has really helped to get a clear understanding of what to do when charging these vehicles. our son currently has a 18 model S Tesla we recently traded our model S for the Lexus RX plug-in hybrid. right now we are using a 50 amp outlet and the Teslamobile charging plug with an adapter to go between the model S and the Lexus Rx 450 h +. Also we plan on getting a f150 lightning either used or wait for them to change the plug We also have a friend with a Mach E that charges when they’re visiting We have a 200 panel for our home We want to have a dedicated 60 amp breaker and the Tesla universal wall charger installed. is that what you would recommend ? Or is there a different direction you would go?
I have the Tesla Universal Wall Charger. After "trading" one of our Tesla M3s for a Rivian, being able to instantly switch to J-1772 was super convenient. It meant not having to replace the box, or using an adapter (sort of). If you have another Tesla wall charger, as we do, another advantage is that you can load-share. Although we have two independent circuits that can each handle 60 amps, we have them each drop to 30 when both vehicles are connected. Although this doubles the charging time of each vehicle, it's rare that they both need to be charged concurently. All the while lessening the immediate load on our electrical system. Zero issues as of yet and recommened.
I just tried my new, unused previously, Lectron Tesla to CCS adapter at a v3 supercharger in Vero Beach, Florida. It charged okay, after some horsing around. But when I attempted to withdraw the Tesla nozzle, the adapter wouldn't let go. I followed the instructions--shoving the nozzle into the adapter while still connected to the vehicle and squeezing the release trigger to the maximum extent it would allow--and could not remove the Tesla nozzle from the adapter. I tried this many times. A couple of guys saw my struggles and came over to help. They couldn't remove the Tesla nozzle either. ( I thought maybe I'm not strong enough to depress the unlocking trigger sufficiently. These other two guys were a lot younger and stronger. So I thought they maybe could do it. But they couldn't. And they did follow instructions.) The three of us must have worked on this for 15 minutes, trying dozens of times. The Tesla nozzle wouldn't come loose. I emailed Lectron explaining the problem. They emailed me the instructions. So I tried again several times, following the instructions. Still no good. I've emailed Lectron, asking them to send me an adapter that works and to send a technician to remove the adapter from the Tesla dispenser. (I'm sure I'm on a surveillance recording, and I'm likely liable for taking down that dispenser for an indefinite period of time.)
I've been happy with the A2Z adapter and works well with no tolerance issues. I don't like Lectron's statement blaming wear and tear issues on the NACS chargers because that will happen, and don't also have A2Z in this as well. Just focus on what your corrective actions are and move forward.
I don't understand the delay in shipping adapters from Tesla. My Ford adapter has been delayed once already and, as I read my order page (Est. ship by June 2024 Order Placed: 2/29/2024), they are now late on the revised ship estimate. If both Lectron and A2Z were able to increase production to meet increased customer demand, it feels like Tesla has been dragging their feet on the manufacture of their adapters. It feels like they had sufficient lead time to ramp up production (5/2023 until 2/29/2024). Based on my order number, it looks like I was one of the first 2000 orders but I still don't have a firm ship date. This problem of no "authorized" adapters is only getting worse so kudo's to you, A2Z and Lectron for identifying and providing options to fill this need.
To me what's really bizarre is that Tesla uses the CCS plugs in Europe just like Ford has been using in the United States they don't even use the same plug in both continents
Oof. Those replacement Lectron ones is a really really bad situation. Could set back the possibility of these being ‘approved’ by Tesla. If they have to keep forcing them off the superchargers, it just proves why they don’t want third party ones. That said the A2Z one is great so far!
Easy to get used to the A2Z manual latch if you're not switching between the others. When dealing with a scraped up and tight-fitting NACS connector, the manual switch is nice so you can get a better grip for removal.
@@GregHassler That's too bad, I have had zero issues locking and unlocking first try every time (~10 Superchargers). Have only had a couple I've had to tug on to get the NACS end out. Seems like all of these adapters have some variance, guess I got lucky.
I had issues with the Lectron CCS adapter. I tested one a couple of weeks ago and just to see how it connects. As of yet, my car isn't authorized to charge yet, so this was just a connection experiment. But I had the hardest time disconnecting and almost abandoned it. Being newer to this, I didn't know if the charger itself were doing something that was holding the NACS in place or if the adapter was faulty. It took me a good 20-minutes to get the thing disconnected. Add to this that the Tesla ToS states that you can't use third party adapters unless they were made by one's car manufacturer, I don't see that one can actually use one in a non-violative state. It feels like a quality adapter, but that experience totally damaged my perception. I am going to complain to them next.
Honestly my decision strictly came down to which one I could get first. I ordered a Lectron adapter first but went with A2Z because even though I ordered about three weeks after the Lectron I got it first and canceled the other order.
The Lectron adapter does consistently release on the J3400 side when the trigger is depressed and pulled out with a slight pressure placed downward and the J3400 handle releases easily. The trigger release spring is strong so keep a steady pressure while disconnecting. The A2Z adaptor works nicely in my Rivian however, the A2Z adapter is slightly short when inserted in the CCS1 port on my GM Lyriq and the release latch is a tight fit for my finger to engage the top latch on the CCS1 port due to the top of the GM port design on the Lyriq. I use my index finger to engage the latch and it does work but snuggly. (Not an issue currently but a concern until GM is granted super charger access). The Lectron and Tesla adapter do not have this CCS1 port fitting issue on the Lyriq because their release latches are longer.
I have both and find the slide lock on the A2Z to be extremely difficult to use, I have yet to have it work successfully on the first try. The Lectron has been flawless, but I sent it back for the recall and I'm waiting for the replacement.
Add me to those who couldn't detach the adapter. Finally got it loose with a crowbar. Lectron immediately sent a return label and indicated prompt replacement. Fingers crossed! Follow up “prompt replacement “ never came. All I received was a notice that a shipping label had been created but no unit was sent. I’m canceling the order.
Further follow up: promised immediate replacement never sent. All I ever got was notice of a shipping label. I contacted Lectron advising them that they had received my return and requested a refund. No luck. They said (if and) when I got the replacement, I could return it. I advised them that I was disputing the charge. All I can say is buyer beware. I notice on the Rivian website. There are many individuals with similar problems related to the electron unit. They are obviously having serious problems.
28:16 Anyone who applies that much force to the connector is intentionally trying to pull the plug out. I can understand why they needed a recall, but I think the original design is good enough.
A2Z implies that their adaptor should keep the pins/electronics cooler since it has trick insulation to carry heat away from them. Can you test to see if that is so?
I love the detail and information you provide in your videos. I have a question that I have not found an answer for. We have a Tesla home charger for our 2023 Tesla Model y. We recently leased an Ionic 5 and would like to purchase an adapter that will work with that device. Most adapters are for super chargers. Can you provide some direction?
TeslaTap makes a Tesla to J1772 adapter that works well. I use it with my Tesla wall connector to charge a VW ID.4 and a Rivian; no problems. There are other companies, such as Lectron and A2Z that sell these. I would not buy an inexpensive, “no-name” brand for this. Spend a little more money to get a safe and reliable adapter.
I have a Level 2 Tesla adapter for my J-1772 Fiat 500e. I understand that Tesla destination chargers are FREE, except visiting a brewery and you spend $44 on beer!
On a related topic, on the universal wall connector in the back, is the j1772 latch metal on yours? You mentioned in your other videos that the latch felt cheap and could possibly break, but i just got mine and its a metal latch that seems very durable. I'm curious if maybe since you got yours early, maybe they used a plastic latch and then switched to metal.
Better check with Lectrion again. I am not the only one who got one that wouldn't disconnect. When I contacted the company they said return it and they would replace it immediately. That was about 10 days ago and still no replacement. I had sent back the bad one and requested a refund, but they are balking on that, stating that they will send a replacement. I personally would stay clear of them
I ordered an adapter from both A2Z and from Lectron, as both companies were experiencing backorders and I figured that once I received notification that one was shipping, I would cancel the other.. Murphy's Law dictated that of course I eventually received shipping notification from both within minutes of each other. Both adaptors are due to arrive the day after tomorrow, one by USPS and the other by UPS. You just have to laugh at life sometimes...
Hey Tom, can you please confirm that even if these 3rd party adapters get UL certification, they will not work with Tesla Level 3 chargers (supercharger) until Tesla approves access? Only Levels 1 and 2 .
Well I am confused for Level 2 compatibility, as the NACS standard says it can supply up to 277VAC, but J1772 says 240VAC maximum. I would also expect that the wiring in any J1772 vehicle would only be rated/tested for 240VAC. So with a simple connector adapter, (which these are) can supply 277VAC to a 240VAC rated vehicle. Is this OK?
Not identical, as the Magic Dock adapter locks to the Tesla cable and cannot be unplugged - no release lever. Is only able to be dislodged when in the charging station dispenser.
@@billjohnson3344 it's been shown that people can disconnect magic dock and walk away with it. I think the two are more similar than you think. There is only a small difference in the locking mechanism.
@@LarsDennert Yes they similar. They are not identical (per your post), as the supplied adapter has a release lever, and the Magic Dock does not - with different latching performed by the dispenser.
I think with reduction in Tesla Auto sales there might be some second guessing on opening up the Superchargers. If I was Tesla I would slow down the opening of Superchargers to other OEM's. Maybe another reason the supercharger team was gutted.
I purchased a Seguma J1772 for my Mercedes EQB. When I went to a Tesla Charger a light came on but did not charge. What can I do. I read that Mercedes has partnered with Tesla charging stations. How do I spot a super charging station versus a regular one. I noticed that some Tesla stations are white some are red.
We have a2024 Mercedes EQE SUV350 I can’t get Mercedes to answer the question or provide me with the name of an adapter to use. I want to be sure the adapter works as stated AND that it will NOT void my warranty. PLEASE HELP!
Do any of you know if either of these allow you to charge at non Supercharger Tesla destination chargers? The Lectron website seems to say it doesn’t but A2Z website doesn’t really say either way. Do I need two different converters to make use of every kind of Tesla charging station?
31:06 it sounds to me that, while A2Z’s locking solution is a bit annoying since it’s a 2 step process it has eliminated the issue with locking pins that are too short or too strong or not sturdy enough. Sometimes simple is better ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Arcing because of unplugging under power should make everyone cringe at least a little. It's worse if the load is reactive. Unplugging stuff under power is just so 20th-Century. But preventing it is not necessarily so simple.
Not up to Tesla alone - the OEMs have to make various changes to their ecosystem to hook into Tesla for authorization and billing. But agree better communication on schedule would be helpful. The Tesla firings definitely did not help this.
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Hey you got two of all the adapters, I vote you do a tear down! Thanks for the shout out by the way! now I've made it!
I am an engineer, and had to manage the heat in consumer electronics products I designed. It absolutely makes sense that warmer on the outside means the heat developed in the conductors is getting out to the environment. That's a good thing.
Agreed that better external transfer of heat is better, but more heat could also mean the connector tolerances are too loose and high resistance is creating excess heat. Really the test is flawed as we don’t know the thermal performance unless there’s a teardown.
@@Johno144 Yes, the real parameter of interest is not the external temperature of the adapter - it is the temperature of the conductors. I wonder if there is any way to access the data from the internal temperature sensors while the adapter is in use.
It's better to not make the heat in the first place. This strikes me as an excuse. Could be the smaller adapter is using smaller conductors which makes more heat to begin with.
@@GregHassler Considerable heat is inevitable given the physical size of the pins and the current being carried through them. It's not an excuse, merely an observation, that all other factors being equal, an adapter with a shorter or more conductice thermal path from the pins to the exterior will have a warmer case and cooler pins than an adapter that traps that heat inside.
@@jimmurphy5355 No, the real parameter of interest is the resistance of the conduction path in the adapter, thus how much power is wasted as heat. More massive conductors and a low thermal resistance path to the outside could result in lower temperatures even though the actual power wasted is high, compared to low mass conductors and high thermal path resulting in higher conductor temperatures but actually less power wasted. So, the best measurement to take is the voltage drop across the input to output at a given known current to compare wasted power.
I've been using A2Z adapter for 2 months now for my Lightning, it's great adapter and the access to the Supercharger has been so great. Tesla has a ton of stalls and there's always a spot to charge unlike EA with 6 stalls where in my area is always busy and you have to wait to charge.
My wife’s friends used my Lectron adapter (post recall) and sent me a great video of them trying to unplug it from the NACS connector with one pulling in the adapter and the other on the cable…. Texted them to plug it back into her Mach E and then unplug… presto, came right out. Instructions included with the adapter said to do exactly that.
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So why this helps is that the car is being used as another 'hand' holding the adapter securely so you can exert more force when releasing the NACS latch and pulling. When you are trying to do this with your two arms (pushing a latch and simultaneously trying to pull the adapter off the cable), this is harder to do. Even Tom mentioned this, and depending on strength and dexterity of the individual - could be more of a challenge. Seems like Lectron still has some tolerancing issues - it shouldn't be this difficult or variable.
It's the intuitive way to use tgat adapter anyway, put it in the car first, plug in NACS, then when finished unplug the NACS then unplug the adapter. It's easy to use.
Hi Tom, I reserved my "tesla" adapter back on Feb 29 (this was the first day reservations were accepted by Ford) current delivery update is September 2024. Ordered a Vortex in March (after watching your review) and received in late June due to the Lectron recall delays. Was so exited, went out to test at my local supercharger. Plug and charge worked perfect (no tesla app required). Tested for 15 minutes. Time to leave, the NACS plug will NOT come out. I am not a small guy , all my strength both thumps, fought it for 20 minutes. Finally called my wife who brought me a large set of pump pliers (channel locks). Popped it out with minor scuffs to the top of the adapter. Went to my local Princess Auto and picked up a set of welding vice grips. You know the big hook/clamp ones perfect for applying pressure to a small point. Back to the supercharger, setup the vice grips, tried three different EVSE (all stuck, used the vice grips to release) on the fourth I can release the NACS connecter easily with my forefinger. Thought about returning the adapter but the release works fine now. Will keep the vice grips in car in case I come across someone needing assistance. Amazing how helpless you feel when you cant get the adapter off the NACS connecter. So glad I wasnt on a road trip. Appreciate your content.
Very creative solution! I may have to add one of those clamps to my toolbox, just in case.
Is the GM NACS to CCS1 adapter (Part Number: 85090442) priced at $25 + sales tax be available soon? I called my Chevrolet dealership the other day and in fact it is on the parts database though it is not yet available for pre-order. The A2Z Typhoon and Lectron Vortex Plug are great options once GM gives the green light to charge at Tesla’s Superchargers. Another great and informative video from @StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney
Thank you for the valuable information. This is encouraging. I ordered my complimentary adapter from Ford back in February. So I'll use my ICE vehicle for road trips until it arrives from Ford. I'm the meantime, I absolutely love my Lightning for normal, everyday, "50-mile-radius" errands and commuting. It's comforting to have the FCSP and HIS features at home. I love it!
@tommol Your video prompted me to test my brand new Lectron adapter before embarking on a road trip next weekend. Good thing I did. The charging went great, until I had to disconnect the adapter from the supercharger cable. I followed the Lectron instructions and the adapter would not release from the cable as you described in your video that some others were experiencing. After about 15 minutes of trying about everything, I was about to leave the adapter connected to the supercharger cable and leave but thought I would give it one more try. With the adapter inserted to the car, I pressed the release and pulled as hard as I could for 30 plus seconds and it finally popped out. @Lectron definitely has issues and now has overcompensated. The spring on the release is way too strong and I think part of the problem is with the position of the release, you have one finger able to hold it fully compressed while using Sam hand to hold adapter against the car port and using the free hand to pull out the supercharger cable. Holding the release fulling compressed with such a strong spring with one finger while providing opposing forces to pull it out seems to be a problem. I wish I had been able to get a video to share with you.
I would be afraid of breaking the charge port on the car by doing that.
I tried my Lectron adapter that I received earlier this week. I too had issues disconnecting from the Tesla Supercharger wand and almost gave up and left it there. I'm not happy at all.
Clearly Lectron have a real problem on their hand; I’ve been using other adapters from them with no issues.
Same, took an hour to get it off.
Same here. I just sent an email to Lectron and waiting to hear back.
Was expecting the Tesla adapter for my Mach-e in May. After following up by email was told their were production issues at Tesla and that no ETA could be provided. To me that meant many months and likely increased demand for 3rd party adapters. I have some long road trips planned for the summer so I ordered the A2Z as it was available faster than the Lectron. Received it in 10 days and tried it a few days ago. Read some reviews that some people had difficulty getting the Tesla plug far enough into the A2Z to be able to engage the locking slider. I experienced this problem and almost gave up after many attempts. However, I was eventually able to engage the lock and was able to do so easily on the first try when testing the lock/unlock 3 or 4 times. I think it just needed to wear in a bit. It came with a great case and seems extremely well built. I also knew about the position Ford was taking on 3rd party adapters but felt comfortable enough based on the adapter's specs relative to the pending standards. Hope this helps.
I received my Lectron unit this week and tried it out at the local Supercharger. I was unable to remove the Tesla connector while attached to the Lightning. I removed both the cable and the adapter and with enough wiggling around, final got the cable out.
Based on my experience, I think the A2Z folks made a good decision to go manual, as they can tolerate more variance in the Tesla connector. (Next time I will try to push down on the connector as suggested by others, to see if that helps. In principle, that will increase the distance from the pin to the connector.)
I got the A2Z adapter for my Rivian, suddenly went form barely being able to DC charge, due to lots of broken unreliable chargers in my area to 100% reliable SC charging. Difference in experience is awesome , literally not having to worry if a charger will work or not. We just need the extension cable for the V3 chargers to mitigate the charge port location issues.
I just received my A2Z Typhoon adapter. It took a few try’s but it works. It is not the easiest to connect but should loosen up with use.
Great review. I ordered the A2Z on Monday after a disappointing road trip over the weekend due to EA, Chargepoint, EVgo charging station availability to charge my Kia EV9(CCS & J1772). So frustrating! I bought the Typhoon for Superchargers along with the AC adapter add-on for Level 2 destination chargers. Fingers-crossed this solves my charging woes on future roadtrips.
I don't tend to take on unnecessary liability, but using the 3rd party adapters you're recommending are well within acceptable risk tolerances for me.
Have you heard any news when General Motors is going to come out with their adapter for Teslas DC fast char I need one I have the Chevy equinox and I love it
I just got a Vortex plug today, I tried just plugging the Tesla end into the adapter loose, and it plugged and unplugged just fine, and feels very snug. I did have to press the release tab about 1/2 way in order to fully insert the Tesla plug, I didn't want to force it. Did a short test charge on my Ford at the supercharger by my house, it worked flawlessly. Thanks for the discount code. It was super fast too, I placed the order on Friday, and it literally arrived on Monday.
I had the problem with the Lectron adapter getting stuck to the NACS cable/receptacle. It took several minutes and a lot of effort before releasing. I almost gave up and was about to leave it attached. It released perfectly fine from the vehicle, a Rivian. I also have an A2Z adapter and it was worked perfectly.
I got my Lectron charger about 8 days ago. Post recall. I had the same exact issue the first time I tried a week ago. I could not release the charger from the adapter. Finally, after 20 minutes, I was able to get it unreleased. Was a scary situation. I almost had to leave the adapter attached to the charging cord, just like the example video you had where it was just left attached at the charger. I tried for a second time yesterday at a different Tesla site and it worked well. I think it can be the difference in how the Tesla site cords may be slightly different from one to the other with wear and tear. I did follow the instructions Lectron says to unrelease the cord first, before the adapter from the vehicle.
For the Tesla adapter, can you remove the NACS cable while the adapter is in the car, and then remove the adapter? That might be a more seamless way to remove the adapter than what you're showing.
Yes, but that isn't the way Tesla or Ford/Rivian advise. Oddly, the UL method is opposite - and that is what Lectron says to do - disconnect NACS cable while the adapter is still fitted to the car.
@@billjohnson3344 Ah okay, that's interesting.
Hi Tom, thanks for all your hard work and your videos. I would gladly pick up one of these adapters. Do you know if Mercedes EQE can charge on Tesla yet? There was talk about it a while back ago. Them and Rivian was supposed to be already going I know riven is already working thanks.
36:30 "It just so happens that we are more in the public eye." Not the kind of wording I really like to see, especially in writing.
I received a Lectron adapter in early to Mid May. Seemed good until I tried to disconnect from the NACS connection. IT Would not release until I got really rough with it using a big wrench to force it apart. Contacted Lectron and they said it was my fault and I should have disconnected the NACS connection from my truck before I released the NACS connector. Which was BS. I did a little modification to the lock pin and reduced its size and now I can get it to disconnect, but with still some difficulty. I would like to note that when I had to get rough with it the first time I disconnected the pin inside had some plastic shavings inside from my rough disconnect.
Where in the US does Tesla produce their NACS to CCS1 adapter?
As always , great job on the informative video. Take care Tom . Thank you
So my Ford adapter just got pushed back to 1/2025!!! I ordered in March of 2024. Very disappointing. Do you have any info on this latest delay?? Thank you for your great content, love your channel!!
%15 off the Lectron for ONLY 7 Days? Man Lectron does not know how to do customer service. They need to sell this for $125 to gain customers back. I cancelled mine and order and received a A2Z one. took 4 weeks.
Tom,
My Lectron Vortex adapter arrived today. It feels substantial and fairly heavy. We have a BMW iX M60 and a Volvo C40, neither of which are a part of the Tesla network yet. My son has a Ford Lightning and we plan to get together on Father’s Day and charge his truck at a Tesla V3 Supercharger to see how the adapter works. Since his “gifted” Tesla adapter from Ford likely won’t arrive until late in the year, he’ll use this adapter until then. I’ll let you know if there are any issues.
The Lectron has a great feel.
got the ford nd lectron adapter. both work great but the lectron has a better feel to it. I agree with tom that the nacs switch on ford is too clunky. wish i ordered with the lectron code though hahah🤣
Another informative video. Thank you so much.
Hyundai NACS approval is where in the queue?
Bought a Lectron Adapter for my (CCS Equipped) Ford Focus Electric.
Unfortunately the Ford Focus isn't supported yet (despite being a Ford) but I'm keeping mine in anticipation since it seems like good quality and isn't a recall unit. Quite disappointed in Ford since the Focus Electric has a CCS port and should theoretically be fine to use on Superchargers, but they have not whitelisted us.
My new lectron adapter could not be removed from the Tesla cable this morning after its first use. We spent a half hour twisting, tugging, squeezing the nacs release switch very firmly. Then plugged it back into my ford, and charging some more, and attempting to disconnect the Tesla cable first. No luck, I eventually had to leave it on the cable and go home.
Sorry to hear. This doesn’t bode well for me as I just received mine yesterday 😕
@@marlonhoward5483 As I was (embarrassingly) struggling to get the adapter off, dozens of teslas came in an charged and then left. So it is unlikely to be Tesla's fault. Imagine the situation if a tesla NACS connector would not release from a Tesla car!
i feel like the lectron one being 2 inches longer will benefit us f150 lightning owners because of how tought the cord has to be
Thank you for all of your great videos. It has really helped to get a clear understanding of what to do when charging these vehicles. our son currently has a 18 model S Tesla we recently traded our model S for the Lexus RX plug-in hybrid. right now we are using a 50 amp outlet and the Teslamobile charging plug with an adapter to go between the model S and the Lexus Rx 450 h +.
Also we plan on getting a f150 lightning either used or wait for them to change the plug
We also have a friend with a Mach E that charges when they’re visiting
We have a 200 panel for our home
We want to have a dedicated 60 amp breaker and the Tesla universal wall charger installed. is that what you would recommend ? Or is there a different direction you would go?
I have the Tesla Universal Wall Charger. After "trading" one of our Tesla M3s for a Rivian, being able to instantly switch to J-1772 was super convenient. It meant not having to replace the box, or using an adapter (sort of). If you have another Tesla wall charger, as we do, another advantage is that you can load-share. Although we have two independent circuits that can each handle 60 amps, we have them each drop to 30 when both vehicles are connected. Although this doubles the charging time of each vehicle, it's rare that they both need to be charged concurently. All the while lessening the immediate load on our electrical system. Zero issues as of yet and recommened.
I just tried my new, unused previously, Lectron Tesla to CCS adapter at a v3 supercharger in Vero Beach, Florida. It charged okay, after some horsing around. But when I attempted to withdraw the Tesla nozzle, the adapter wouldn't let go. I followed the instructions--shoving the nozzle into the adapter while still connected to the vehicle and squeezing the release trigger to the maximum extent it would allow--and could not remove the Tesla nozzle from the adapter. I tried this many times. A couple of guys saw my struggles and came over to help. They couldn't remove the Tesla nozzle either. ( I thought maybe I'm not strong enough to depress the unlocking trigger sufficiently. These other two guys were a lot younger and stronger. So I thought they maybe could do it. But they couldn't. And they did follow instructions.) The three of us must have worked on this for 15 minutes, trying dozens of times. The Tesla nozzle wouldn't come loose. I emailed Lectron explaining the problem. They emailed me the instructions. So I tried again several times, following the instructions. Still no good. I've emailed Lectron, asking them to send me an adapter that works and to send a technician to remove the adapter from the Tesla dispenser. (I'm sure I'm on a surveillance recording, and I'm likely liable for taking down that dispenser for an indefinite period of time.)
Ford shows my adapter coming in October, so I've used your code for a Lectron adapter; thanks Tom!
I've been happy with the A2Z adapter and works well with no tolerance issues. I don't like Lectron's statement blaming wear and tear issues on the NACS chargers because that will happen, and don't also have A2Z in this as well. Just focus on what your corrective actions are and move forward.
As you are a former i3 owner, do you have a thought on using one of these adapter’s on the i3? TIA!
Measure the ambient air temperature. Probe not in the sun. Then calculate the difference in temperature Tadapter-Tair=delta T
I don't understand the delay in shipping adapters from Tesla. My Ford adapter has been delayed once already and, as I read my order page (Est. ship by June 2024 Order Placed: 2/29/2024), they are now late on the revised ship estimate. If both Lectron and A2Z were able to increase production to meet increased customer demand, it feels like Tesla has been dragging their feet on the manufacture of their adapters. It feels like they had sufficient lead time to ramp up production (5/2023 until 2/29/2024). Based on my order number, it looks like I was one of the first 2000 orders but I still don't have a firm ship date. This problem of no "authorized" adapters is only getting worse so kudo's to you, A2Z and Lectron for identifying and providing options to fill this need.
To me what's really bizarre is that Tesla uses the CCS plugs in Europe just like Ford has been using in the United States they don't even use the same plug in both continents
Oof. Those replacement Lectron ones is a really really bad situation. Could set back the possibility of these being ‘approved’ by Tesla. If they have to keep forcing them off the superchargers, it just proves why they don’t want third party ones.
That said the A2Z one is great so far!
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Easy to get used to the A2Z manual latch if you're not switching between the others. When dealing with a scraped up and tight-fitting NACS connector, the manual switch is nice so you can get a better grip for removal.
I have yet to have that slide lock work on my first try, the A2Z is frustrating to use.
@@GregHassler That's too bad, I have had zero issues locking and unlocking first try every time (~10 Superchargers). Have only had a couple I've had to tug on to get the NACS end out. Seems like all of these adapters have some variance, guess I got lucky.
Tom - FRESH NEWS on ADAPTERS FOR GM - GM EV Concierge told me: “Expected” Roll-Out 👉🏿JUNE 19th👈🏿. Love the show! 🙏🏻👊
August and still no adapters from GM. I think Elon killed the deal because Silverado EV was going to kill Cybertruck sales.
I just got the new Chevy equinox if I buy one of these adapters now, will it work with the Tesla superchargers have they released it yet for GM?
Short answer: Yes.
I had issues with the Lectron CCS adapter. I tested one a couple of weeks ago and just to see how it connects. As of yet, my car isn't authorized to charge yet, so this was just a connection experiment. But I had the hardest time disconnecting and almost abandoned it. Being newer to this, I didn't know if the charger itself were doing something that was holding the NACS in place or if the adapter was faulty. It took me a good 20-minutes to get the thing disconnected. Add to this that the Tesla ToS states that you can't use third party adapters unless they were made by one's car manufacturer, I don't see that one can actually use one in a non-violative state.
It feels like a quality adapter, but that experience totally damaged my perception. I am going to complain to them next.
Any thoughts on A2Z's recent update to their adapter that makes nacs latch automatic as well? I think they're calling it the typhoon pro.
Companies should have had a stock of adapters before granting access, ready to send out to the owners.
Honestly my decision strictly came down to which one I could get first. I ordered a Lectron adapter first but went with A2Z because even though I ordered about three weeks after the Lectron I got it first and canceled the other order.
The Lectron adapter does consistently release on the J3400 side when the trigger is depressed and pulled out with a slight pressure placed downward and the J3400 handle releases easily. The trigger release spring is strong so keep a steady pressure while disconnecting. The A2Z adaptor works nicely in my Rivian however, the A2Z adapter is slightly short when inserted in the CCS1 port on my GM Lyriq and the release latch is a tight fit for my finger to engage the top latch on the CCS1 port due to the top of the GM port design on the Lyriq. I use my index finger to engage the latch and it does work but snuggly. (Not an issue currently but a concern until GM is granted super charger access). The Lectron and Tesla adapter do not have this CCS1 port fitting issue on the Lyriq because their release latches are longer.
I have both and find the slide lock on the A2Z to be extremely difficult to use, I have yet to have it work successfully on the first try. The Lectron has been flawless, but I sent it back for the recall and I'm waiting for the replacement.
Add me to those who couldn't detach the adapter. Finally got it loose with a crowbar. Lectron immediately sent a return label and indicated prompt replacement. Fingers crossed!
Follow up “prompt replacement “ never came. All I received was a notice that a shipping label had been created but no unit was sent. I’m canceling the order.
Further follow up: promised immediate replacement never sent. All I ever got was notice of a shipping label. I contacted Lectron advising them that they had received my return and requested a refund. No luck. They said (if and) when I got the replacement, I could return it. I advised them that I was disputing the charge. All I can say is buyer beware. I notice on the Rivian website. There are many individuals with similar problems related to the electron unit. They are obviously having serious problems.
28:16 Anyone who applies that much force to the connector is intentionally trying to pull the plug out. I can understand why they needed a recall, but I think the original design is good enough.
My original one worked great, I sent it back for the recall but I'm wondering if I should have just kept it.
A2Z implies that their adaptor should keep the pins/electronics cooler since it has trick insulation to carry heat away from them. Can you test to see if that is so?
I love the detail and information you provide in your videos. I have a question that I have not found an answer for. We have a Tesla home charger for our 2023 Tesla Model y. We recently leased an Ionic 5 and would like to purchase an adapter that will work with that device. Most adapters are for super chargers. Can you provide some direction?
TeslaTap makes a Tesla to J1772 adapter that works well. I use it with my Tesla wall connector to charge a VW ID.4 and a Rivian; no problems. There are other companies, such as Lectron and A2Z that sell these. I would not buy an inexpensive, “no-name” brand for this. Spend a little more money to get a safe and reliable adapter.
I have a Level 2 Tesla adapter for my J-1772 Fiat 500e. I understand that Tesla destination chargers are FREE, except visiting a brewery and you spend $44 on beer!
I guess the manual release is slightly worse UX but the automatic release is no end of problems
Tom, on the chart, the “Temp change” for the Lectron is not correct (at present it’s the same as the Tesla). Cheers!
Thanks
Good catch. Also, what matters is the rise: 25.5, 40, and Lectron, 76 to 91, so that's only 15 rise.
But ideally we'd want an internal temperature measurement - the case staying cool could be good or could mean the heat is contained inside.
On a related topic, on the universal wall connector in the back, is the j1772 latch metal on yours? You mentioned in your other videos that the latch felt cheap and could possibly break, but i just got mine and its a metal latch that seems very durable.
I'm curious if maybe since you got yours early, maybe they used a plastic latch and then switched to metal.
Better check with Lectrion again. I am not the only one who got one that wouldn't disconnect. When I contacted the company they said return it and they would replace it immediately. That was about 10 days ago and still no replacement. I had sent back the bad one and requested a refund, but they are balking on that, stating that they will send a replacement. I personally would stay clear of them
I had a question. Could you use one of these adapters in place of a "Tesla Tap" on a Tesla destination or a wall charger for a CSS vehicle?
I notice you are now discussing Chevy as next, where before you were saying GM. Is that a change? Are we Caddie owners not going to be included ?
I ordered an adapter from both A2Z and from Lectron, as both companies were experiencing backorders and I figured that once I received notification that one was shipping, I would cancel the other.. Murphy's Law dictated that of course I eventually received shipping notification from both within minutes of each other. Both adaptors are due to arrive the day after tomorrow, one by USPS and the other by UPS. You just have to laugh at life sometimes...
Hi, do you have, any info on good/great Quality J1722 to Type 2 (chinese) adapters???
Or which brands produce the best quality adapters in general¡?
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Hey Tom, can you please confirm that even if these 3rd party adapters get UL certification, they will not work with Tesla Level 3 chargers (supercharger) until Tesla approves access? Only Levels 1 and 2 .
Yes, I use Teslas, but I was wondering are there level2 chargers with easily removable cables like used in the EU?
Have you tried with BMW IX ?
Well I am confused for Level 2 compatibility, as the NACS standard says it can supply up to 277VAC, but J1772 says 240VAC maximum. I would also expect that the wiring in any J1772 vehicle would only be rated/tested for 240VAC.
So with a simple connector adapter, (which these are) can supply 277VAC to a 240VAC rated vehicle. Is this OK?
Your slide with comparisons has a different temp change for the Lectron than you verbally said??
It appears that the magic dock adapter is identical to the separately supplied one. I think ioniq vehicles also work using the tesla app.
Yes, it looks the same
Not identical, as the Magic Dock adapter locks to the Tesla cable and cannot be unplugged - no release lever. Is only able to be dislodged when in the charging station dispenser.
@@billjohnson3344 it's been shown that people can disconnect magic dock and walk away with it. I think the two are more similar than you think. There is only a small difference in the locking mechanism.
@@LarsDennert Yes they similar. They are not identical (per your post), as the supplied adapter has a release lever, and the Magic Dock does not - with different latching performed by the dispenser.
Manual switch might make a difference to some user with dexterity issues.
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Tom, any news when a2z extension cable coming out?
What about the Lyriq. Will it get an adapter as well
I think with reduction in Tesla Auto sales there might be some second guessing on opening up the Superchargers. If I was Tesla I would slow down the opening of Superchargers to other OEM's. Maybe another reason the supercharger team was gutted.
I purchased a Seguma J1772 for my Mercedes EQB. When I went to a Tesla Charger a light came on but did not charge. What can I do. I read that Mercedes has partnered with Tesla charging stations. How do I spot a super charging station versus a regular one. I noticed that some Tesla stations are white some are red.
We have a2024 Mercedes EQE SUV350 I can’t get Mercedes to answer the question or provide me with the name of an adapter to use. I want to be sure the adapter works as stated AND that it will NOT void my warranty. PLEASE HELP!
Do any of you know if either of these allow you to charge at non Supercharger Tesla destination chargers? The Lectron website seems to say it doesn’t but A2Z website doesn’t really say either way. Do I need two different converters to make use of every kind of Tesla charging station?
Nice video. CCS must become standard in every country. For traveller's.
You spelled “NACS” incorrectly! 😅
Can I use the A2Z adapter with Hyundai vehicle or is it only for Ford and Rivian?
You can use it on any that is authorized to charge on Superchargers
Much obliged.
Which adapter would be good for a Mercedes Benz EQB 350?
Any insight on what maybe happening with Chevrolet and Tesla superchargers? Starting to worry it’s just not coming for the bolt.
I'm hearing soon
I've been wondering why manufacturers don't build cars with both US changing standards. Seams logical to expand access.
31:06 it sounds to me that, while A2Z’s locking solution is a bit annoying since it’s a 2 step process it has eliminated the issue with locking pins that are too short or too strong or not sturdy enough. Sometimes simple is better ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I just received my Lectron adapter yesterday, after watching this video I am a little hesitant to try it….
I saw a new Fiat 500e using the Tesla DC Fast Chargers.
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How did you get it free?
@@jasonwiltjer9 I'm a Youtubber. I make videos for their products. Same with the vbox and portable level 2 charger.
Looks like you may have a copy & paste error in your table showing the specs re: Lectron temperature delta.
Yes, that's an editing error that I missed when I reviewed it
Lectron discount code is not working, within 7 days of your video.
30:00 that's just ridiculous.
When will Hyundai and Kia have access?
Yes, eventually, but there; no set timeline
I just bought a 2024 Kia Niro, can I access the Tesla superchargers?
No, Kia doesn't have Supercharger access. Probably sometime in 2025...
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks for the reply.
Arcing because of unplugging under power should make everyone cringe at least a little. It's worse if the load is reactive. Unplugging stuff under power is just so 20th-Century. But preventing it is not necessarily so simple.
It shouldn't arc, the comms pins disconnect first and the power should drop within 200ms, and should be substantially dropped faster than that.
After waiting since February, Ford finally shipped my adapter…only to get lost by FedEx! 😭
Wish Tesla would publish a master plan for authorizing the additional auto makers.
Master plan?! This is Elon’s company, he can turn the entire company over its head on a dime 😂
Not up to Tesla alone - the OEMs have to make various changes to their ecosystem to hook into Tesla for authorization and billing. But agree better communication on schedule would be helpful. The Tesla firings definitely did not help this.
What about Tesla Tap charging device?
That will not work
Those are for slower level 2 AC charging, not DC superchargers
Do a drop test. See how they hold up to being dropped on pavement. The tesla adapter is awkward to hold and slippery.