Really? Jeep crapped the bed then, instead of saying "yep this Jeep crapped the bed BUT let me show you video of how cool this thing looked off road in slow mo" And that's not even addressing how they asked Jeep what "trail rated" meant with the Renegade (which is 100% Fiat under the hood btw) and the rep refused to answer. There is a difference between an influencer and a review. Just look at every other Nation that reviews Jeeps, Aussies in particular. Remove the "USA!!!" From a USA born review? Oh the view is very different. "Just over 2 weeks"... For service bulletins? Aka stuff they already know how to fix and don't have to diagnose themselves? The difference between a critical review and an influencer.
@@johnschmalbach8243 WOW man you hit the nail on the head!!! Jeep's are junk!! I really do NOT understand this Jeep Trend!! I off road my Chevy trucks a lot!! And they take me 200,000 plus miles with JUST routine maintenance!! You're like me, you see right through the BS!! I don't care what's on paper! I don't care how good a brand new vehicle can go off road! Can it do it for 6 to 10 year's, over 200,000 miles and be a good daily driver?!????? My Chevy's have been!!!
@@johnschmalbach8243 Some people prefer infomercials to actual, straight from the hip reviews. This was a puff piece. Two freaking weeks?! If that were your only daily driver, damn. Tommy has a multitude of driving choices for two weeks. Nothing against Tommy, but he needs to learn about indignation from the seasoned crowd at TFL.
Not surprised. I am an auto technician for a rental car company. Our location has a lot of FCA products in the fleet and they are not reliable. It's a shame they make some interesting and nice looking vehicles but the reliability is not there. You probably would have been better with the 3.6 it actually is a decent engine.
I don't understand why you keep following jeep articles , you don't like them, have nothing but negative comments, leave already and follow your precious chevy pages. You add nothing valuable to the conversation.
You take a risk buying any new vehicle in its first year of production... that said, my 2012 3.6L (first year of that motor for the JK) Wrangler has been bullet proof. I’d much rather own a Jeep than a Toyota, but I’ve had 5 of them and they’ve been nothing but phenomenal! Good luck with your Yotas!
alicet324 hmmmm, how old is my 2000 TJ? Still running like a champ! Theoretical durability trash talk is fun :). I buy a Jeep for its ability to wheel... but I sure do see a lot of CJs and YJs out there. Jeeps are simple, it’s that simplicity that keeps them on the road (easy to fix if needed).
This is the exactly the stuff I like to see. Performance is one thing, dependability is another. The combination of both is what truly shows a vehicles value. Keep up the great work!
I made the same trip in a 2019 Rubicon on 8/26. The rubicon did great and with its short wheelbase was easy to maneuver around the switchbacks. It was a v6.
No f'ing way a normal dealer is going to repaint body work "under warranty" My 2017 Chrysler 300, with 3,100 miles on it had the paint flaking off the white seats (2018+ models went to better leather but 2017 white interior was painted leather) Dealer said they would replace leather no problem - ordered the part then called me in to collect the car and told me I would have to pay out of pocket for the work. I argued it was insane to think an 8 month old car with 3100 miles would have the leather falling apart and they even agreed and stood their ground that I could either pay $1300 out of pocket to replace the seat cover or take a hike. I took a hike - I'm still mad about that. Airpark Chrysler Jeep Dodge was the dealer in Scottsdale.
CDub 1962 wow! I’m honestly shocked... when my Honda airbags got recalled they had me in and out of the shop in like 6 hours... same day... and they changed my oil. Love the Jeeps but at least for now I’ll pass...
The long time was likely due to the paint and the warranty claim. Automotive paint isn't like spray paint where you can just spray it and it's ready. You might have to spend a day or two just in prep work and just as long to let it dry and cure. And dealerships don't make warranty claims a priority since it won't be making them any money and the techs don't get paid as much to do warranty work.
Classic fiat Chrysler. That’s disappointing, good thing there were no dangerous situations happen because of the breakdown. That must have been tense being on those narrow mountain roads.
Its manufacturing. Every car company products have issues. It's not just FCA. So this is classic modern garbage. To much crap to go wrong in these new cars.
My white JLU had issues with the paint as well. In some production runs Jeep added too much flex agent to the white causing it to “yellow”. In other runs they didn’t add enough flex agent in the paint causing the paint be brittle and chip off. Take it back to the dealership and have them escalate the issue to FCA warranty department.
My white rubicon in Australia on day one even had bad painting in the tailgate. Looks like a very thin coat? So it’s seems it’s a global paint process that’s the issue. Steve 🇦🇺
It's a clear coat problem all the paint comes from ppg premix I no I was the paint shop boss my last 2 years at jeep . This waterborne paint sucks probably base coat was not dry enough before the clear coat 🤔👍
My dad bought a 2019 $54,000 Rubicon with about 1,000 miles and the radio works intermittently, and the back up camera is a blue screen. Dealer said, known problem they can't fix, wait for computer update.
imagine spending that much on a car with those problems already and that's what the service department tells you? that's horrible. like here's your car, we can't fix the radio and camera. have a nice day.
Things like this were common over the 4 years I owned my ram sport, the 4 years I've owned my 4runner I haven't been to the dealer for one single issue. Oil changes only. It may be old school but it never gives me any grief
@@PoliceSwat I was watching a video of someoen with a 19 ram not too long ago that was stuck in a parking lot because the transmission / range switch wasn't working. regardless of brand I'd be soooo aggrivated if some fancy new electronic thing kept me stranded somewhere, when I could have just put the damn thing in gear with a cable, or left it in a single gear and limped home / somewhere safe.
What they should have done was tell how much the repairs would have cost if the vehicle was "NOT" under warranty. That would have been more of a service to the everyday woman and man, who will be the next or third owners, of a jeep with e-torque.
You have taught me all the important technical stuff about off roading!.. My husband loves not having to explain EVERYTHING anymore when we are overlanding.. First time he told me to "Turn on the rear locker" I spent 5 minutes searching for the button to turn on and off ABS breaks lol.. You know, because ABS keeps breaks from locking lol.... I still have much to learn but learned a ton from you guys.. My husband is amazingly patient and you guys pass on knowledge in a fun way that always keeps me interested.. Thank you! :)
All new models have issues to sort through. Even Toyota’s and the recent Tacoma. What interests me more is how it is dealt with by the dealer and manufacturer. In this case good job.
My 2012 Toyota Highlander had a bad window switch when we first bought it. After that, it had zero problems to 112,000 miles. You can’t base reliability on one issue. Wait and see.
@@trenton.tchannel1810 well, even though I'm not a FCA fan, I give credit where it's due and the Hemi deserves great appreciation. I'm not a total hater like some people 😊
Your implication is that either English (RR) or Jap(Toy) is better engineering. Well, two counter-points to that implication: 1) The Euros now own Jeep. Nuff said. 2) Yeah, the J's won WWII - except they didn't. The Es won WWII. Except they needed us to do it. Mic drop.
Only fools buy Jeep! They are one of the most poorly built and supported vehicles have a look at this ruclips.net/video/iys9HibzFME/видео.html that is why we "didn't see many jeeps in Queensland"
you cant comment this under his video, he will no longer be sponsored by jeep, they only have to say good things, he will have now to take another "not broken" jeep there to prove that it wont break.
@druss999 that is a on the money comment . James Cox been smoking that crack pipe. What are you talking about .Not many Jeeps in Australia because they are shit boxes its that simple.
This is exactly why I cancelled my order for the 2019 rubicon. Hope Jeep gets their crap together as I would like to have one but I won’t put up with that lack of quality.
Funny to find this video today. My 2019 rubicon unlimited v6, had battery issues 2 days ago. All electronics would not work, nor would it even start. Something is up with electronics on these JL. It's at a dealer now after jump starting it. Let's hope its fixed.
Here’s a funny tidbit: I drove that road a couple times last summer, and camped down at West Chicago Creek six times (I think) in the last year. My vehicle? A 2005 Chrysler Town and Country minivan. Also an FCA product. Zero problems, and also zero problems in the other 40,000 miles I’ve put on it. That generation of minivan is one of the only vehicles they ever got right. Watching this video is hilarious. How do they keep building stuff this badly?
Low voltage can affect may systems and sensors because many rely on 5 volt constant current. If that current drops, this will signal a problem to the computer and you'll go into limp mode.
They use linear regulators to drop the supply voltage to 5 volts because they're slightly cheaper than using switching regulators. One tiny little electrical component that can make such a huge difference in reliability. But low battery voltage has been an issue with Jeeps for a long time, the old XJs wouldn't idle with a bad battery/low charging voltage either.
the old Rover was more reliable and as you say, may outlast this Jeep...truth is people love jeeps and in a couple of years this Jeep will get an LS motor
Having issues with that low mileage and 2 weeks on the shop for a simple update and a repaint and this guys dont even complain. I bet if it was a ford truck they would be bashing it left and right
Two weeks, tells me they really didn't know what the problem was and guessed. Come-on, 1 day to diagnose, 2 days to receive parts, 1 day to install and update. I don't like that dealership!
TFL Crew, you guys are the best! You provide us consumers with actual real road/life/off-road testing, purchasing different vehicles and doing unbiased reviews like you did with Subaru, Tesla’s and rest of you fleet. Thank you! I’m with Roman, get the Gladiator diesel next🙏🏼👍🏼 and Nathan should get Tacoma TRD PRO manual 🤘🏼) Good job guys! PS. Andre, На Здоровье🥃 донт дринк анд драйв ин да воодс. Hello from WA
My wife and I had a jeep, spent 62 days in the shop for mostly electrial problems. Jeep bought it back and we will not be buying another. one. The 4Runner will be our next new automobile.
Ya i get 4 runner is reliable but only because its been the same for 10 years last few years of jk were relaible as hell any new design will have issues at first.
I was thinking if that also ....If you go outside and turn your ear towards Germany .. you can possibly hear the word FAHRVERGNUGEN !!! It is just funny... the more fancy new tech they..the auto companies .... add the more disasters that are waiting,
I had a jeep once, had trouble climbing a hill which was a paved road, got to about 8600 feet, and I pulled over to find my radiator had over flowed and most of the antifreeze went into the air cleaner, I removed the air cleaned, release the pressure with the radiator. and everything worked fine. I reversed everything when I got off the hill, and replaced the air cleaner with a new one. I also removed the sponge filter on the bottom of the filter to allow more air to flow.
I have over 8000 miles on mine, has same engine, and have gone off roading many times in the 8000 feet range, fully loaded with gear, never had an issue, sometimes crap breaks
I have the same 2.0 2019 JLU Rubicon. Did the same road to the top and not a single issue. I've had it 3 month now. 8600 miles and 5 badges of honor so far. No issues. Great Jeep. Plus it's my 6th Jeep. Not a nub here
@@gsxr1189 your toy is so outdated on many levels, such as drum brakes in the back, GPS, nav, and so on, and many new toy owners are having relibillity issues, and how's your frame, many are complaining about them starting to rust out. I admit older toys where super reliable, however now they aren't and 12 years behind in tech. And slow as hell, poor gas mileage numbers when loaded up. So enjoy your beer because you will be out of gas why us jeeps people will still be going places your toy can't
@@gsxr1189 What you missed was that the video was making it sound like the JL with a 2.0 breaks down in less than 3000 miles and at altitudes. I'm sure you Toyota does well on the road. I've waited on several TRD's on the trail to get over and up and over. I'm extremely impressed with the JL over my JK and my TJ. So enjoy the Toyota it's a good vehicle. When you're ready and can afford to move up don't be afraid. Till then sit on the porch and bark.
Good video. It showcases all new cars and their problems that get worked out while in consumers hands. This isn't a jeep thing , its every car manufacturer. At least they fixed it. When will you guys do the mpg loop test in the city?
@Rick James5678 brand cheerleader 😂👍! Good one bro , but no I only love 1 brand. It's called best bang for my money. I have a Corolla with 34k , a malibu with 22k , a trans am with a 102k , and gmc envoy with 280k. And ironically my Toyota been to the dealer as many times as my Malibu. No difference in cars when suppliers of parts are pretty much the same. And I'll never believe any statistics when it comes to new cars because they rely on people with emotions to be reported. So you shouldn't be a hater of a brand. Buy whatever you like looking at and get it fixed for free when it breaks down. Dont be that brand loyal sucker .
Never buy a first MY redesigned vehicle. Especially with a new engine offering...with new "technology" like eTorque. Or you may have what you see here in this video.
I was excited when the JLs came out, as they seemed to fix some of the things (mostly aesthetics and interior) I didn't like about the JKs. I figured I'd give it a year or two (I never buy new vehicles until after they've past two model years) for FCA to work the bugs out. For being one of FCA's most popular and important vehicles, you'd think they would have paid extra attention to the new JL Wranglers. I'm starting to think my money is better spent elsewhere at this rate...
The JL has a more refined ride quality than a JK on the street. The pentastar engine is doing how you would expect from the JKs, it's the new 4 cylinder turbo with e torque engine that's giving them issues. Just like any new engine, there will be kinks to work out for years. If you want a JL I would advise people to stick to the pentastar to lower risk with new car engine issues.
given that the battery only has about the same capacity of 2 or 3 cordless drill batteries, I'm not surprised. I bet it costs more than a couple drill batteries though.
When I heard about how they added all of that Prius'ish tech to a Jeep, it made me think of a famous person from Aberdeen, Scotland. "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." Lt. Commander Montgomery Scott
@@johnsailor6081 LOL. Thats why they're always so far ahead of FIAT on the charts and real life, sells, customer loyalty, and still owned by the same people, unlike Jeep and Chrysler in general where they've been owned by several companies and still can't get their ratings and sells up...yeah, the largest automobile company in the world is trash? You're a couch potato keyboard warrior 😂
I have two Sahara JK Unlimiteds bought new 2007 & 2008 with life time warranties on the powertrain and 150,000 miles on each and never had a major issue or needed the warranty claim. I’m ready to buy a new Wrangler but they need to offer a longer warranty again to bring me back in.
Now that I’m a jeep owner I’m going to say that this was a minor issue, lol. Glad I have a 2019 JLUR with the 3.6-4500 miles and 25 trails, totally flawless.
Well, they have problem with new tech they just started, not surprise for any maker, i had first (EGR) problem with 2006 Ram when it was 7 years old, then more came after reaching11 years...now in 2013 RAM i had 1st problem about 2monts ago, leaking 3th break light, fixed it my self in about 10 min
@@noelebbert9322 really? Interesting because you might be the only one who dont know how Toyota was one of the first to kill people with their electric throttle problems. But hey you believe in whatever you want to believe in to comfort your self Noel.
humpty Dude it’s Fiat Chrysler for the Chrysler side there’s Chrysler, Dodge Jeep, Ram, and SRT Fiat’s side there’s Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Maserati, Lancia, and more there’s some educator for you
Thank you for being so transparent about vehicles you guys buy. The fact that they had the vehicle for that long means they definitely escalated the issue straight to engineering. Instead of saying: "we looked into the logs and it's working fine now. Therefore there's nothing we can do." As a service engineer for a company that manufactures X-ray equipment. I see this first hand, and the amount of time it takes to have updates tested and validated.
I wanted a 2 liter turbo but I have a JK. I haven't had any issues with it and it's my daily driver. 50k miles without a issue and I'm happy with it. I've been reading JL have been having lots of issues.
Long time Mopar guy here. We bought my wife a JL. Identical to yours in every way down to the color. It's got 4300 miles on it now and have had it in 3 times for 3 different issues now. At 400 miles the check engine light came on due to a fault with the evaporator unit they had to keep it for a week. At 2k miles the e-torque unit completely stopped working and left us stranded in the middle of an intersection, Now they have it again because auto start causes the check engine light to come on and the vehicle stalls out at low speeds. In addition to the major mechanical issues there are small quality control things. Before we got the jeep home the 1st day the center console latch snapped off and we've been waiting on a replacement part for that since February. Her white paint has started to yellow and stain on like 4 different body panels, and her cylinder deactivation hasn't worked since the 2nd day we've had it and every time they fix it the issue returns (not a big deal since we hate it anyways). Jeeps just aren't what they used to be. I got a DT ram over the gladiator and I am glad for my decision every time I get in her Jeep.
This is why I got the 3.6l. 22k miles around the country and zero issues. It's also taken off-road frequently. I feel like there dealer should've done those updates before selling it to you. Thankfully it was just software.
My tires always say they are low going to the top of mount Evans, thinner air and much colder. When you started driving the tires warmed up and caused the pressure to rise, like cold winter mornings here in Colorado.
Wouldn't the thinner, high elevation air that is outside the tires not effect the air in the tires? I get the temp change idea, but my trucks only lost about 2 psi in 5 degree weather
The thinner air at the top of the mountain should result in a higher pressure differential between the inside of the tire and the outside -- so a higher effective tire pressure.
Actually I love peoples misconception of toyota..... Realible lol yea maybe the older ones... Come tell me 1 year old has been to the dealership 4 times already
Two words, cult following. My WRX is in the same boat (which is good for me and resale) but nothing special about it that warrants it's crazy resale retention. Aside from being one of the few cheaper cars with AWD turbo and a manual transmission.
It's because it's a very specialized vehicle with very few competitors. Jeep Wrangler is a dedicated off-roader and almost the only one being sold as such.
This makes me really want to keep my JK - it was designed when Daimler owned Chrysler. Fiat has made new JL buggy by adding so much complexity just to eke out 2 extra MPG.
@@paulj9821 love my 04 Dodge 1500, best truck I ever owned, and yes have owned all the manufactures pickups. As well my 17 Jeep GC has been trouble free
@@garysisk3431 yeah you probably take care of your vechiles. Most these cats here are just playing follow the leader and simply parroting what they hear, rather than real world experience
There are all kinds of posts on the battery and yellowing of paint issue in the jlwrangler forum... I had the same issue on yellowing on grill and fenders and only after getting Jeepcate involved did the dealership take care of issue... that whole process took 3 months and dealership / body shop had it for about 1month as they repaint items. In my case when I got it back the first time they did a horrible job on the fenders so jeepcares told them to order new fenders which come in with no paint so then they had to ship them off to body shop. It,s fine now but for a Jeep under a year old not very pleased. I also had them update pcm for loud fan noise which is much better now and then they did another item where the seat frames had a defect. Also have the turbo 4 and did get the battery issue when out on the trail for a brief time but it went away and dealer has no clue so I am watching items like this as it will prob be another recall... btw on the seat t,s been a month since they did the work and now the drivers seat slips on recline so it doesn’t lock properly... so I have another recall for the steering I will have them fix seat again I just hate being without the Jeep again.
Yes.. We really love the Jeep but in someways think we should have gotten the 6 or maybe I will wait for the diesel as that is what I wanted originally... Please note this drives great but I now have constant worry iif I take it off road which defeats the purpose. When I take it in for the steering I Am going to have them do those updates Tommy stated for the volt issues... I will be sure jeepcares is notified first as then it smooths out the process at dealership.
Two days ago, my wrangler 2liter broke down at Crater Lake. The turbo quick working. I coasted to Medford, OR. If I restart the engine the turbo would work for a few miles, but then I had to pull over going up I-5 and restart the engine. What a pain! I limped all the way to Port Angeles, WA. This vehicle only has 19K on it. So, I contaced the dealer and they scheduled me for the end of September. Unbelievable. I should have kept my Toyota.
Ironic that a Toyota FJ Cruiser passes you...pick a used one up for a fraction of the new eTorque Wrangler and it will run up Evans day after day without a problem...and you guys give Tesla a hard time. Bad software/modules/paint/and 2 weeks in the shop for a $50K+ brand new Jeep...yikes. Hell, when I was in my 20's we used to drive a Toyota FJ 40 up Mt Evans and never had a problem...
very interesting video, i'll be headed to my dealer for my first included oil change some time in October, and I know them pretty well, I will have them check my 2018 for any needed software updates etc.
Imagine if they did the same hydroline torture test on this fiat as they did to the 4runner? A secret hatch door would open, a shovel would pop out, and This thing would dig its own grave.
"It's no longer yellowing" No, it's no longer yellow. Repainting it only fixed the symptom not the problem (looking at what was done) so I'd expect to see it yellowing again in about the same amount of time. Likely has to do with heat dissipation.
That Jeep needs a name. Given how it's acting, I nominate the name Karen. Karens are moody. They gripe. They never have fun and don't want anyone else to have fun. They spoil everything. That Jeep is a Karen.
Karen has nothing to do with that relationship but already knows because Karen is a nosy bitch interested in sharing everyone's personal and private business.
@@johnsailor6081 Had a '14 Ram 1500 and then a '17 Ram 1500 both Hemi powered trucks Big Horn editions with the 8 speed auto as work trucks. The only thing that was ever repaired was the cruise control switch on the '14 needed replaced. The dealer had the part in stock and fixed it in the parking lot so I'm guessing it was a common issue on earlier trucks. Otherwise very strong trucks that put up with a lot of abuse, and I'm a Ford guy that personally owns an '04 F-250.
That right there is one of several reasons I chose the 3.6/manual combo in my 2018 JLUR. 1.5 years and 23k miles later, it has had zero issues. (Not just the engine, but the entire Jeep. It's been perfect.)
2 weeks for a stabalizer, painted grill and 3 or so hours worth of software updates, that ridiculous. Sorry to hear, I had all the software updates done in about 3-4 hours.
Turn the key to the on position, then off 3 times then leave on the on position, your engine trouble code should display somewhere on the dash. Works on all Chrysler products, should help you narrow down what the issue is.
As always i love your videos and how you're so open and honest. Appreciate the hard work. Keep it up fellas!
kingpin3919 got to be careful with influencers
Wait One minute!! A Jeep broke?!?!
Noooo way!!!!
Jeep's are JUNK!!
Really? Jeep crapped the bed then, instead of saying "yep this Jeep crapped the bed BUT let me show you video of how cool this thing looked off road in slow mo"
And that's not even addressing how they asked Jeep what "trail rated" meant with the Renegade (which is 100% Fiat under the hood btw) and the rep refused to answer.
There is a difference between an influencer and a review. Just look at every other Nation that reviews Jeeps, Aussies in particular. Remove the "USA!!!" From a USA born review? Oh the view is very different.
"Just over 2 weeks"... For service bulletins? Aka stuff they already know how to fix and don't have to diagnose themselves?
The difference between a critical review and an influencer.
@@johnschmalbach8243 WOW man you hit the nail on the head!!! Jeep's are junk!! I really do NOT understand this Jeep Trend!! I off road my Chevy trucks a lot!! And they take me 200,000 plus miles with JUST routine maintenance!!
You're like me, you see right through the BS!!
I don't care what's on paper!
I don't care how good a brand new vehicle can go off road! Can it do it for 6 to 10 year's, over 200,000 miles and be a good daily driver?!?????
My Chevy's have been!!!
@@johnschmalbach8243 Some people prefer infomercials to actual, straight from the hip reviews. This was a puff piece. Two freaking weeks?! If that were your only daily driver, damn. Tommy has a multitude of driving choices for two weeks. Nothing against Tommy, but he needs to learn about indignation from the seasoned crowd at TFL.
Not surprised. I am an auto technician for a rental car company. Our location has a lot of FCA products in the fleet and they are not reliable. It's a shame they make some interesting and nice looking vehicles but the reliability is not there. You probably would have been better with the 3.6 it actually is a decent engine.
@Rick James5678 It's actually in the process of getting replaced now.
Daniel Jones 3.6 is still an fca engine ?! or how does that work ?!
Emanuel Guzman-Garcia the 3.6 was under development during the DC days. It’s a good engine and MB has their own take of the basic engine.
@@emanuelguzman-garcia3567 the 3.6 is an older design before Fiat
It would be interesting to hear what makes have the fewest issues given your experience...
Read the title about an issue with a Jeep, and still don't understand how anyone could be surprised. Especially now that it's a Fiat.
It is Fiat long time. since 2014 officially
And you load it with all bunch of electronic devices and gadget... what could possibly go wrong?
I predict fire in the future
I don't understand why you keep following jeep articles , you don't like them, have nothing but negative comments, leave already and follow your precious chevy pages. You add nothing valuable to the conversation.
@@gabrielback5615 GM and Fiat Chrysler are both shit in terms of quality
I think I dodged a bullet. I was in the market for either a rubicon or a trd pro. Went with the Toyota and I don’t regret it.
same!!
James N. Smart purchase
You take a risk buying any new vehicle in its first year of production... that said, my 2012 3.6L (first year of that motor for the JK) Wrangler has been bullet proof. I’d much rather own a Jeep than a Toyota, but I’ve had 5 of them and they’ve been nothing but phenomenal! Good luck with your Yotas!
John Coolahan no worries. To each to their own! When my Toyota is still running in 13+ years let me know how Jeep is doing !
alicet324 hmmmm, how old is my 2000 TJ? Still running like a champ! Theoretical durability trash talk is fun :). I buy a Jeep for its ability to wheel... but I sure do see a lot of CJs and YJs out there. Jeeps are simple, it’s that simplicity that keeps them on the road (easy to fix if needed).
Fixed on paper only. Did you attempt to climb the hill and drive under high altitude again? I want to see if the actual problem was truly addressed.
Dito let’s see another attempt at climbing that mountain vote this comment up people!!!
And this is why new Toyota's using a design from ten years ago still sell.
If Toyota is the most reliable vehicle made today, I'll stay with older model stuff. My Toyota was JUNK
@Kevin Marsh - And that's STILL too new to bear real, mechanical capability.
Exactly why I traded my 2019 RAM with Etorque for a 2019 tundra.
Bryan Hensley no it wasn’t
The alternator is made by Denso USA that doesn't change the junky manufacturing materials/techniques by Chrysler
This is the exactly the stuff I like to see. Performance is one thing, dependability is another. The combination of both is what truly shows a vehicles value. Keep up the great work!
New fca engine broke
Insert surprised pikachu face
Hahaha 🤣🤣👌
Dov'è Tony quando hai bisogno di lui? 🤪
“Jeep” should watch this video, because Wranglers aren’t cheap!
Exactly. I'd pay about $100 dollars for a new Jeep Wrangler. Anything beyond $100 wouldn't be worth it to me. Piece of junk!! No thank you.
L G entire FCA junk
Yeah 45,000 dollars is too much for a Jeep in my opinion. And if there going to have these problems it’s gonna do nothing but hurt FCA.
Go buy yourself a good ZJ or XJ jeep and have fun ! 😎
I wouldn't have bought that engine ..
I made the same trip in a 2019 Rubicon on 8/26. The rubicon did great and with its short wheelbase was easy to maneuver around the switchbacks. It was a v6.
No f'ing way a normal dealer is going to repaint body work "under warranty"
My 2017 Chrysler 300, with 3,100 miles on it had the paint flaking off the white seats (2018+ models went to better leather but 2017 white interior was painted leather)
Dealer said they would replace leather no problem - ordered the part then called me in to collect the car and told me I would have to pay out of pocket for the work.
I argued it was insane to think an 8 month old car with 3100 miles would have the leather falling apart and they even agreed and stood their ground that I could either pay $1300 out of pocket to replace the seat cover or take a hike.
I took a hike - I'm still mad about that.
Airpark Chrysler Jeep Dodge was the dealer in Scottsdale.
My local FCA dealer replaced my grand Cherokee hood no money out of pocket 2017 with 40,000 miles. Paint has warranty up to 100k miles
The yellowing on the JL white painted grill is a longstanding issue
They will if they know it's for youtube
You should buy an older XJ or ZJ jeep because they have a lot of room and they run forever ! 😎👍
That dealership is shady
A friend of mine calls his sons Rubicon the *repairacon*
Dan Basham Must be a Decepticon too
2 weeks to get it fixed! You're travelling on the well traveled road to FCA Quality Hell......
CDub 1962 wow! I’m honestly shocked... when my Honda airbags got recalled they had me in and out of the shop in like 6 hours... same day... and they changed my oil. Love the Jeeps but at least for now I’ll pass...
The long time was likely due to the paint and the warranty claim. Automotive paint isn't like spray paint where you can just spray it and it's ready. You might have to spend a day or two just in prep work and just as long to let it dry and cure. And dealerships don't make warranty claims a priority since it won't be making them any money and the techs don't get paid as much to do warranty work.
@@CaptainRudy4021 makes sense. Fortunately I've not had to take my '16 4runner in for any repairs.....
Better than their Tesla - how long did that take? 6 weeks? 2 months?
Yup iam a victim of that disaster. Your absolutely right. I've already told them to sell the rebel ASAP!
That's why the 4Runner exists. Slightly less off-road capability but far better reliability (and everyday "comfort").
So true
Even my dealer told us the e torque was bad. Glad I got a JK that was still on the lot.
BRAVO ACTUAL Very happy with my 2016 JK, plan to keep it a long time.
@@JeffreyTheTaylor I was able to score a new '17 that hadnt sold. Happy with my Willys Unlimited.
A Fiat broke...imagine my surprise.
Fix It Again Tony Fiat
ted t Right?
Its not a Damn fiat
It's a Fiat. You're in denial.
@@philguzman6932 lame snarky comment on the internet about a fiat engine, imagine my surprise.
Classic fiat Chrysler. That’s disappointing, good thing there were no dangerous situations happen because of the breakdown. That must have been tense being on those narrow mountain roads.
Better that then crawling rocks in Moab
Its manufacturing. Every car company products have issues. It's not just FCA. So this is classic modern garbage. To much crap to go wrong in these new cars.
A guy I work with just had his ram ecodiesel burn to the ground after the recall fix total junk
Should take a look on the euroncap review on this
@@roberts.688 blame the epa for that. Before the fix it was working fine
My white JLU had issues with the paint as well. In some production runs Jeep added too much flex agent to the white causing it to “yellow”. In other runs they didn’t add enough flex agent in the paint causing the paint be brittle and chip off. Take it back to the dealership and have them escalate the issue to FCA warranty department.
My white rubicon in Australia on day one even had bad painting in the tailgate. Looks like a very thin coat? So it’s seems it’s a global paint process that’s the issue. Steve 🇦🇺
That Tesla level paint right there 😂
EMU4WD I've noticed it as well on my 2019 longhorn.
It's a clear coat problem all the paint comes from ppg premix I no I was the paint shop boss my last 2 years at jeep . This waterborne paint sucks probably base coat was not dry enough before the clear coat 🤔👍
My dad bought a 2019 $54,000 Rubicon with about 1,000 miles and the radio works intermittently, and the back up camera is a blue screen. Dealer said, known problem they can't fix, wait for computer update.
imagine spending that much on a car with those problems already and that's what the service department tells you? that's horrible. like here's your car, we can't fix the radio and camera. have a nice day.
The guy riding the bike up that mountain at the elevation ... bad ass!
Things like this were common over the 4 years I owned my ram sport, the 4 years I've owned my 4runner I haven't been to the dealer for one single issue. Oil changes only. It may be old school but it never gives me any grief
NORTHERN Toyota The same for me. I’m 4 years in on my 4Runner too. I’ve always owned reliable cars/trucks since my first GM died at 95k miles.
Things like this weren't in Ram 4 ears ago, maybe you've had some other issues, i'm glad i didn't
@@PoliceSwat I was watching a video of someoen with a 19 ram not too long ago that was stuck in a parking lot because the transmission / range switch wasn't working. regardless of brand I'd be soooo aggrivated if some fancy new electronic thing kept me stranded somewhere, when I could have just put the damn thing in gear with a cable, or left it in a single gear and limped home / somewhere safe.
@@volvo09 I have had 1 zero issues in the last 4 years with my jeep that required me to visit the dealer.
My 2018 4Runner limited was one of the biggest POS'S I've ever owned. It had nothing but issues!
So it just needed a software update? Where are they getting their programmers? Same guys who did the boeing 737s?
HAHAHAHAHA
voodoochildmd ouch
HCL
Hahahahaha. Yup pretty much.
You should take it back to the top of the Mountain and try to recreate the same issue.
The road is now closed for the winter. A friend lived near there, at that altitude they only get about three months of "summer".
You should take it back to the top of the mountain and drive it off the steepest slope you can find.
It was a software issue that was already known about, the mountain had 0 to do with it
What they should have done was tell how much the repairs would have cost if the vehicle was "NOT" under warranty. That would have been more of a service to the everyday woman and man, who will be the next or third owners, of a jeep with e-torque.
For an altitude test take the Loveland Pass. That's open.
You have taught me all the important technical stuff about off roading!.. My husband loves not having to explain EVERYTHING anymore when we are overlanding.. First time he told me to "Turn on the rear locker" I spent 5 minutes searching for the button to turn on and off ABS breaks lol.. You know, because ABS keeps breaks from locking lol.... I still have much to learn but learned a ton from you guys.. My husband is amazingly patient and you guys pass on knowledge in a fun way that always keeps me interested.. Thank you! :)
All new models have issues to sort through. Even Toyota’s and the recent Tacoma. What interests me more is how it is dealt with by the dealer and manufacturer. In this case good job.
My 2012 Toyota Highlander had a bad window switch when we first bought it. After that, it had zero problems to 112,000 miles.
You can’t base reliability on one issue. Wait and see.
Minh Tran I bet your frame is rusting like all Toyota trucks.
No. I live in the Pacific NW, where we rarely salt the road.
@@davidharris9259 what a prick
Let's see how far your Highlander can follow a Wrangler off road.
Finally one sensible comment. It's a brand new powertrain that hasn't had the kinks worked out.
Don’t worry. It’s a Jeep. It’s normal.
Hahahahaha
Smarticus lol that is not a normal Jeep turbos are stupid on jeeps
A jeep with electrical issues. Some things never change
It's an FCA product. Enough said about the build quality.
Yet the Rebel is still working fine
@@banana82728 still an FCA product. I bet the issue is probably that hybrid system for that specific engine. It probably works better on the 5.7
Yep
Yep Fiate Chrysler Association
@@trenton.tchannel1810 well, even though I'm not a FCA fan, I give credit where it's due and the Hemi deserves great appreciation. I'm not a total hater like some people 😊
Andre: "didn't see many jeeps in Queensland"
Yeah there is a reason for that.......
Your implication is that either English (RR) or Jap(Toy) is better engineering. Well, two counter-points to that implication: 1) The Euros now own Jeep. Nuff said. 2) Yeah, the J's won WWII - except they didn't. The Es won WWII. Except they needed us to do it. Mic drop.
James Cox huh
Only fools buy Jeep! They are one of the most poorly built and supported vehicles have a look at this ruclips.net/video/iys9HibzFME/видео.html that is why we "didn't see many jeeps in Queensland"
you cant comment this under his video, he will no longer be sponsored by jeep, they only have to say good things, he will have now to take another "not broken" jeep there to prove that it wont break.
@druss999 that is a on the money comment .
James Cox been smoking that crack pipe. What are you talking about .Not many Jeeps in Australia because they are shit boxes its that simple.
Man. Tommy always breaking the cars lol!
It seems like a common electrical problem on the etorque equipped Jeeps, I had a feeling y’alls was in the shop too.
This is exactly why I cancelled my order for the 2019 rubicon. Hope Jeep gets their crap together as I would like to have one but I won’t put up with that lack of quality.
esp for the price of the rubicon.
yeah, crazy, modern cars don't have these problems anymore.
Get a Tacoma
Get a Defender
John smith smart move
Now I feel better with my Buick Enclave, It made to 40k miles before the engine died.
Pikes peak has been fully paved for a couple years now, and is 14110 feet. It also is in usa
Funny to find this video today. My 2019 rubicon unlimited v6, had battery issues 2 days ago. All electronics would not work, nor would it even start. Something is up with electronics on these JL. It's at a dealer now after jump starting it. Let's hope its fixed.
Unacceptable for the price you pay and being brand new.
Dodge/ Chrysler/ Fiat is becoming notorious for issues with their electrical systems...
I agree... you guys should take it back up the hill to see if it happens again
A co worker got a new jeep and has had nothing but problems. Had the engine rebuilt and still had more problems...
Engine rebuilt on a brand new jeep wtf...poor guy!!!!
Engine rebuild on new car? Lemon law that pos
@@johnathoncastro yeah I feel bad for the guy, it's his first car and all his relatives pitched in to help him pay it off...
Here’s a funny tidbit: I drove that road a couple times last summer, and camped down at West Chicago Creek six times (I think) in the last year.
My vehicle? A 2005 Chrysler Town and Country minivan. Also an FCA product. Zero problems, and also zero problems in the other 40,000 miles I’ve put on it. That generation of minivan is one of the only vehicles they ever got right. Watching this video is hilarious. How do they keep building stuff this badly?
Low voltage can affect may systems and sensors because many rely on 5 volt constant current. If that current drops, this will signal a problem to the computer and you'll go into limp mode.
They use linear regulators to drop the supply voltage to 5 volts because they're slightly cheaper than using switching regulators. One tiny little electrical component that can make such a huge difference in reliability. But low battery voltage has been an issue with Jeeps for a long time, the old XJs wouldn't idle with a bad battery/low charging voltage either.
that 10 years old land cruiser will outlast the brand new Jeep and Tesla.
4Runner to
Yes!!!
Any toyota
Out last the tesla really? Whatcha smoking?
the old Rover was more reliable and as you say, may outlast this Jeep...truth is people love jeeps and in a couple of years this Jeep will get an LS motor
Having issues with that low mileage and 2 weeks on the shop for a simple update and a repaint and this guys dont even complain. I bet if it was a ford truck they would be bashing it left and right
If it was your only vehicle 2 weeks would be a long time!
Two weeks, tells me they really didn't know what the problem was and guessed.
Come-on, 1 day to diagnose, 2 days to receive parts, 1 day to install and update. I don't like that dealership!
Yeah man, Ford is the least loved in the US by my point of standing but guess what,it's the only one successful outside the US
Why is your receipt written GMC?
i would sell it right away.
TFL Crew, you guys are the best! You provide us consumers with actual real road/life/off-road testing, purchasing different vehicles and doing unbiased reviews like you did with Subaru, Tesla’s and rest of you fleet. Thank you! I’m with Roman, get the Gladiator diesel next🙏🏼👍🏼 and Nathan should get Tacoma TRD PRO manual 🤘🏼) Good job guys! PS. Andre, На Здоровье🥃 донт дринк анд драйв ин да воодс. Hello from WA
My wife and I had a jeep, spent 62 days in the shop for mostly electrial problems. Jeep bought it back and we will not be buying another. one. The 4Runner will be our next new automobile.
kevin colson You’ll love and enjoy the 4Runner!
I had nothing but issues with my 4runner limited. One of the biggest POS'S I've ever owned!
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk I have a 1999 single cab prerunner tacoma, I love it. I have at 2017 4Runner Premium, Nautical Blue. You will love your new 4runner.
Adam Gomez huh? I don't have that 2018 pos anymore! I have a 2019 ram longhorn now.
I bought a 2021 rubicon 2.0 and this thing is a beast! I mean this is one bad instance of a car having issues. But so far mine has been amaze.
That model 3 was having no bother getting up the hill
How about the guy on the bicycle 😅
Yep, electric motor don't care about thin air!
Came here for EV comments
@@mowcowbell neither did the 5.7 liter Ram.
All the 4runner people, myself included, are loving this.
Ya i get 4 runner is reliable but only because its been the same for 10 years last few years of jk were relaible as hell any new design will have issues at first.
Dominic Braund Jeep has taken the hybrid out of the rubicon for 2020. Likely due to this issue.
Only an insecure dick would get off on people breaking down.
NemeanLion Neh, us 4Runner owners not getting off this. Just laughing our asses off at the Fiat. Different! 😎
And you paid how much for the VW Touareg?
I was thinking if that also ....If you go outside and turn your ear towards Germany .. you can possibly hear the word FAHRVERGNUGEN !!! It is just funny... the more fancy new tech they..the auto companies .... add the more disasters that are waiting,
I had a jeep once, had trouble climbing a hill which was a paved road, got to about 8600 feet, and I pulled over to find my radiator had over flowed and most of the antifreeze went into the air cleaner, I removed the air cleaned, release the pressure with the radiator. and everything worked fine. I reversed everything when I got off the hill, and replaced the air cleaner with a new one. I also removed the sponge filter on the bottom of the filter to allow more air to flow.
I have over 8000 miles on mine, has same engine, and have gone off roading many times in the 8000 feet range, fully loaded with gear, never had an issue, sometimes crap breaks
I have the same 2.0 2019 JLU Rubicon. Did the same road to the top and not a single issue. I've had it 3 month now. 8600 miles and 5 badges of honor so far. No issues. Great Jeep. Plus it's my 6th Jeep. Not a nub here
Two Jeep owners bragging about 8000 miles and no repairs LMFAO. My TRD PRO Tacoma is asking me to hold it's beer for the next 10 years.
@@gsxr1189 your toy is so outdated on many levels, such as drum brakes in the back, GPS, nav, and so on, and many new toy owners are having relibillity issues, and how's your frame, many are complaining about them starting to rust out. I admit older toys where super reliable, however now they aren't and 12 years behind in tech. And slow as hell, poor gas mileage numbers when loaded up. So enjoy your beer because you will be out of gas why us jeeps people will still be going places your toy can't
@@gsxr1189 What you missed was that the video was making it sound like the JL with a 2.0 breaks down in less than 3000 miles and at altitudes. I'm sure you Toyota does well on the road. I've waited on several TRD's on the trail to get over and up and over. I'm extremely impressed with the JL over my JK and my TJ. So enjoy the Toyota it's a good vehicle. When you're ready and can afford to move up don't be afraid. Till then sit on the porch and bark.
Nice try fellas.
Fiat/Jeep = Shit
But if I ever see a Jeep owner broke down deep in the back country I'll be sure to wave.
Good video. It showcases all new cars and their problems that get worked out while in consumers hands. This isn't a jeep thing , its every car manufacturer. At least they fixed it. When will you guys do the mpg loop test in the city?
@Rick James5678 brand cheerleader 😂👍! Good one bro , but no I only love 1 brand. It's called best bang for my money. I have a Corolla with 34k , a malibu with 22k , a trans am with a 102k , and gmc envoy with 280k. And ironically my Toyota been to the dealer as many times as my Malibu. No difference in cars when suppliers of parts are pretty much the same.
And I'll never believe any statistics when it comes to new cars because they rely on people with emotions to be reported.
So you shouldn't be a hater of a brand. Buy whatever you like looking at and get it fixed for free when it breaks down. Dont be that brand loyal sucker .
@@Emilthehun shh.... you are talking to much sense for these brand loyalists.
@@paulj9821 😂😂😂 truth
Wow a Chrysler product broke down who would have known LOL
😆 Your so right.
Yep Chrysler is crap no getting around that
And yet, Ford has broken down more on this channel then any other manufacturers!
Not Chrysler, Fiat.
@@73dustpan so, do you also call Ferrari's Fiat, based on your logic.
Never buy a first MY redesigned vehicle. Especially with a new engine offering...with new "technology" like eTorque. Or you may have what you see here in this video.
they are "fast lane" they have to be edgy and buy latest, especially if its fiat chrysler lol
Well it's better them than us
Yepp! I've got a JLUR, with the 3.6. Chose that engine cause we at least know it works lol.... 13k miles, no issues yet...
I was excited when the JLs came out, as they seemed to fix some of the things (mostly aesthetics and interior) I didn't like about the JKs. I figured I'd give it a year or two (I never buy new vehicles until after they've past two model years) for FCA to work the bugs out. For being one of FCA's most popular and important vehicles, you'd think they would have paid extra attention to the new JL Wranglers. I'm starting to think my money is better spent elsewhere at this rate...
The JL has a more refined ride quality than a JK on the street. The pentastar engine is doing how you would expect from the JKs, it's the new 4 cylinder turbo with e torque engine that's giving them issues. Just like any new engine, there will be kinks to work out for years. If you want a JL I would advise people to stick to the pentastar to lower risk with new car engine issues.
Never had a low tire warning in my 89 YJ.
I’d almost say Chrysler did but what the hell I got an 05 tj and I’d rather have an older one
My jeep broke down in Colorado last month as well. 1200 miles from home. Transmission cooler broke. Wasn't cheap.
Kelly B one of the reasons I chose a manual transmission
An FCA product failing?? Normal.
Just had the hybrid battery replaced with the same issue. Hybrid battery over heating.
Tech not ready for prime time
@@slipjoint637 Maybe in this particular case. Toyota seems to have figured out hybrid tech just fine.
given that the battery only has about the same capacity of 2 or 3 cordless drill batteries, I'm not surprised. I bet it costs more than a couple drill batteries though.
When I heard about how they added all of that Prius'ish tech to a Jeep, it made me think of a famous person from Aberdeen, Scotland.
"The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain." Lt. Commander Montgomery Scott
The difference is, the Prius tech from Toyota is ultra reliable. As a matter of fact, Prius's are one of the most reliable cars you can buy.
I think it’s been to long since we’ve had the 4.0L.
Great video as usual! Too many recalls for such a new vehicle, not good!
I'll stay with the 6 cylinder Pentastar engine. Thanks...
John Ganshow pentastar is a great engine !
@@9aqua_man282 I'm really happy with mine, no need to try any other Jeep offering...
Same, my 2013 Penta is good to go.
I'll stick with a stroked 4 liter!
They're great man. My mom has a 2016 Chally with Pentastar. It has 130,000 miles now and no problems.
Tow trucks go up there no problem, you’re not the Only FCA owners!
I have heard that 95% of modern Jeeps are still on the highway -- the rest made it home -- behind a tow truck.
@@machintelligence Not true. Modern tow trucks are mostly flatbeds thus Jeeps make it home on the tow truck.
So Far TFL has only had to call a tow truck on Ford. Although this was a close one
No doubt tow truck drivers are loving the Fiat/Jeeps because job security.
@@gsxr1189 considering the fact that most tow trucks are RAMs. Yeah tow truck driver s love FCA prouducts for job security.
Ok.... I guess my old 4Runner will stick with the family a little bit longer
Good
Good plan. I traded my 17 4runner in on my 18 JLUR. The JLUR is a Lemon. Stick with Toyota.
Toyota’s are trash
@@johnsailor6081 LOL. Thats why they're always so far ahead of FIAT on the charts and real life, sells, customer loyalty, and still owned by the same people, unlike Jeep and Chrysler in general where they've been owned by several companies and still can't get their ratings and sells up...yeah, the largest automobile company in the world is trash? You're a couch potato keyboard warrior 😂
@Captain Caveman You sir are a total moronic iditiot.
I have two Sahara JK Unlimiteds bought new 2007 & 2008 with life time warranties on the powertrain and 150,000 miles on each and never had a major issue or needed the warranty claim. I’m ready to buy a new Wrangler but they need to offer a longer warranty again to bring me back in.
I have the exact same Jeep but in 2 door, had it for 9 months from new, and I’m seeing the same yellowing on my grill. I noticed it a few months ago.
It’s a well documented paint issue
Now that I’m a jeep owner I’m going to say that this was a minor issue, lol. Glad I have a 2019 JLUR with the 3.6-4500 miles and 25 trails, totally flawless.
I would hope you wouldn't have ANY issues from a brand new vehicle with less than 5k miles.
Well, they have problem with new tech they just started, not surprise for any maker, i had first (EGR) problem with 2006 Ram when it was 7 years old, then more came after reaching11 years...now in 2013 RAM i had 1st problem about 2monts ago, leaking 3th break light, fixed it my self in about 10 min
My wife has the turbo 4 and loves it. 10,000 Miles and really no issues. Her passenger seat broke, that's it!
Hmm, 2 weeks to repair a minor issue...
Man that fiat jeep is well a fiat they are known for electric issues shame
William Lonsky yeah it’s more of a poor quality of Chinese made copper and electronic relays problem than anything else.
As cars get infinitely more complicated, every single manufacturer is having these same issues.
@@Emilthehun no, they aren't. Toyota does not have these issues. Not that will live you stranded or the engine dying
@@noelebbert9322 really? Interesting because you might be the only one who dont know how Toyota was one of the first to kill people with their electric throttle problems. But hey you believe in whatever you want to believe in to comfort your self Noel.
humpty Dude it’s Fiat Chrysler for the Chrysler side there’s Chrysler, Dodge Jeep, Ram, and SRT Fiat’s side there’s Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Maserati, Lancia, and more there’s some educator for you
Thank you for being so transparent about vehicles you guys buy. The fact that they had the vehicle for that long means they definitely escalated the issue straight to engineering. Instead of saying: "we looked into the logs and it's working fine now. Therefore there's nothing we can do." As a service engineer for a company that manufactures X-ray equipment. I see this first hand, and the amount of time it takes to have updates tested and validated.
I wanted a 2 liter turbo but I have a JK. I haven't had any issues with it and it's my daily driver. 50k miles without a issue and I'm happy with it. I've been reading JL have been having lots of issues.
This is the vehicle where they welded the frame wrong, correct?
Typical Chrysler. And if your dealer is anything like mine was, they won't be able to fix it.
Yeah that's the problem anymore there's no mechanics they don't repair stuff they should just change their title to parts changers
Lol. If you’ve seen consumer reports reliability about any of FCA’s products.....nothing new
To see here
Long, long before Fiat, Chryslers were junk. Had one.....and my first was my last.
Long time Mopar guy here. We bought my wife a JL. Identical to yours in every way down to the color. It's got 4300 miles on it now and have had it in 3 times for 3 different issues now. At 400 miles the check engine light came on due to a fault with the evaporator unit they had to keep it for a week. At 2k miles the e-torque unit completely stopped working and left us stranded in the middle of an intersection, Now they have it again because auto start causes the check engine light to come on and the vehicle stalls out at low speeds.
In addition to the major mechanical issues there are small quality control things. Before we got the jeep home the 1st day the center console latch snapped off and we've been waiting on a replacement part for that since February. Her white paint has started to yellow and stain on like 4 different body panels, and her cylinder deactivation hasn't worked since the 2nd day we've had it and every time they fix it the issue returns (not a big deal since we hate it anyways).
Jeeps just aren't what they used to be. I got a DT ram over the gladiator and I am glad for my decision every time I get in her Jeep.
This is why I got the 3.6l. 22k miles around the country and zero issues. It's also taken off-road frequently. I feel like there dealer should've done those updates before selling it to you. Thankfully it was just software.
Excellent video, being open and honest. 👍🏻
My tires always say they are low going to the top of mount Evans, thinner air and much colder. When you started driving the tires warmed up and caused the pressure to rise, like cold winter mornings here in Colorado.
Wouldn't the thinner, high elevation air that is outside the tires not effect the air in the tires? I get the temp change idea, but my trucks only lost about 2 psi in 5 degree weather
The thinner air at the top of the mountain should result in a higher pressure differential between the inside of the tire and the outside -- so a higher effective tire pressure.
Just trade in tht junk for a Toyota 4Runner
4runner ftw
Actually I love peoples misconception of toyota..... Realible lol yea maybe the older ones... Come tell me 1 year old has been to the dealership 4 times already
@@bowtech1020 Sources?
I build parts for Toyota. Promise yah the materials are really cheap. Lol
AMatt416 they all doing tht but if Toyota things are cheap just imagine these FCA vehicles 😂😂 at the end Toyota make better quality things
It’s amazing that Jeep Wrangler has such amazing resale value given its questionable reliability record.
Two words, cult following. My WRX is in the same boat (which is good for me and resale) but nothing special about it that warrants it's crazy resale retention. Aside from being one of the few cheaper cars with AWD turbo and a manual transmission.
It's because it's a very specialized vehicle with very few competitors. Jeep Wrangler is a dedicated off-roader and almost the only one being sold as such.
I have 30,000 miles on my 2018 JLU. Had to have the steering stabilizer replaced, but other than that, no problem.
This makes me really want to keep my JK - it was designed when Daimler owned Chrysler. Fiat has made new JL buggy by adding so much complexity just to eke out 2 extra MPG.
yeah like it would be any different if Daimler was still running them. Oh and Daimler made poor quality products from 2000-2008
@@paulj9821 love my 04 Dodge 1500, best truck I ever owned, and yes have owned all the manufactures pickups. As well my 17 Jeep GC has been trouble free
@@garysisk3431 yeah you probably take care of your vechiles. Most these cats here are just playing follow the leader and simply parroting what they hear, rather than real world experience
There are all kinds of posts on the battery and yellowing of paint issue in the jlwrangler forum... I had the same issue on yellowing on grill and fenders and only after getting Jeepcate involved did the dealership take care of issue... that whole process took 3 months and dealership / body shop had it for about 1month as they repaint items. In my case when I got it back the first time they did a horrible job on the fenders so jeepcares told them to order new fenders which come in with no paint so then they had to ship them off to body shop. It,s fine now but for a Jeep under a year old not very pleased. I also had them update pcm for loud fan noise which is much better now and then they did another item where the seat frames had a defect. Also have the turbo 4 and did get the battery issue when out on the trail for a brief time but it went away and dealer has no clue so I am watching items like this as it will prob be another recall... btw on the seat t,s been a month since they did the work and now the drivers seat slips on recline so it doesn’t lock properly... so I have another recall for the steering I will have them fix seat again I just hate being without the Jeep again.
wait. all of this from a
Yes.. We really love the Jeep but in someways think we should have gotten the 6 or maybe I will wait for the diesel as that is what I wanted originally... Please note this drives great but I now have constant worry iif I take it off road which defeats the purpose. When I take it in for the steering I Am going to have them do those updates Tommy stated for the volt issues... I will be sure jeepcares is notified first as then it smooths out the process at dealership.
That’s what you guys get for getting the turbo. You should have get the wayyyy more reliable 3.6
Arcticarc1 I always stick with petrol motors
I bet they wanted to turbo engine to test it long term for us!
@@avery07 my 1999 Jeep Cherokee Xj 4.0 has almost 400,000 miles and is just like new and it'll Outlast anything you drive
Two days ago, my wrangler 2liter broke down at Crater Lake. The turbo quick working. I coasted to Medford, OR. If I restart the engine the turbo would work for a few miles, but then I had to pull over going up I-5 and restart the engine. What a pain! I limped all the way to Port Angeles, WA. This vehicle only has 19K on it. So, I contaced the dealer and they scheduled me for the end of September. Unbelievable. I should have kept my Toyota.
Ironic that a Toyota FJ Cruiser passes you...pick a used one up for a fraction of the new eTorque Wrangler and it will run up Evans day after day without a problem...and you guys give Tesla a hard time. Bad software/modules/paint/and 2 weeks in the shop for a $50K+ brand new Jeep...yikes. Hell, when I was in my 20's we used to drive a Toyota FJ 40 up Mt Evans and never had a problem...
That really expected from fiat/Chrysler Co. they have keeping made really bad and low quality Vehicles and basically become piece of junk .
very interesting video, i'll be headed to my dealer for my first included oil change some time in October, and I know them pretty well, I will have them check my 2018 for any needed software updates etc.
The problem with FCA software is it could easily make the problem worse
It’s a Jeep. Of course it broke.
😂
Fiat reliability
*FCA product
Yes🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍
Imagine if they did the same hydroline torture test on this fiat as they did to the 4runner? A secret hatch door would open, a shovel would pop out, and This thing would dig its own grave.
"It's no longer yellowing"
No, it's no longer yellow. Repainting it only fixed the symptom not the problem (looking at what was done) so I'd expect to see it yellowing again in about the same amount of time. Likely has to do with heat dissipation.
At 6:35 you said oil pressure was 48psi, but the gauge showed 20psi? Isn't that a little low for a new engine at 2,000 rpm's?
Two weeks to paint a grill and software update?
If it was a Tesla it would take a year for all that😂
Yeah, they really prioritize warranty work in that shop, don’t they? Did they supply a loner at least?
That Jeep needs a name. Given how it's acting, I nominate the name Karen. Karens are moody. They gripe. They never have fun and don't want anyone else to have fun. They spoil everything. That Jeep is a Karen.
Jeffissimo 1 hahahahaha
I'd call it a "Lemon"
Best comment! Karen !!! Lol
Recent break up, huh? Does Karen know yet?
Karen has nothing to do with that relationship but already knows because Karen is a nosy bitch interested in sharing everyone's personal and private business.
Love the 615 hat Tommy is wearing! I'd love to buy you a beer next time you're in Nashville. Love the channel, been following you guys for 5+ years.
Makes me nervous about buying a Gladiator or any FCA product for that matter 😬
You don't need this video to be nervous. Look at the history of these vehicles. Not to mention Chrysler but fiat. Both are poor quality
I’ve had very good luck with quality on FCA vehicles. They just rush stuff into production. Avoid the first two model years, then you’ll be fine.
You'll be fine with the Pentastar 3.6L V6 -- tried and true, economical, strong, and well-respected amongst the Jeep community.
@@johnsailor6081 Had a '14 Ram 1500 and then a '17 Ram 1500 both Hemi powered trucks Big Horn editions with the 8 speed auto as work trucks. The only thing that was ever repaired was the cruise control switch on the '14 needed replaced. The dealer had the part in stock and fixed it in the parking lot so I'm guessing it was a common issue on earlier trucks. Otherwise very strong trucks that put up with a lot of abuse, and I'm a Ford guy that personally owns an '04 F-250.
That right there is one of several reasons I chose the 3.6/manual combo in my 2018 JLUR. 1.5 years and 23k miles later, it has had zero issues. (Not just the engine, but the entire Jeep. It's been perfect.)
Toyota💪
2 weeks for a stabalizer, painted grill and 3 or so hours worth of software updates, that ridiculous. Sorry to hear, I had all the software updates done in about 3-4 hours.
Jeep sales in Australia are in free fall , so unreliable with very poor dealer support .
Alex Frankl I’ve been a couple bad stories coming out
True story. I was just there on vacation and people don't trust Jeep brand.
I appreciate you guys getting all the bugs worked out.. All the new technology I buy is already 2 to 3 years old.. 😂
Turn the key to the on position, then off 3 times then leave on the on position, your engine trouble code should display somewhere on the dash. Works on all Chrysler products, should help you narrow down what the issue is.