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Can you guys do a comparison on Maintenance cost for these two. Would love to learn the difference in cost to properly care for gas vs diesel Wrangler/Gladiator. I'm thinking you might gain a little torque and mpg, but you have to pay more money to service the diesel engine over time, it may not be worth it for most folks.
Hands down the Diesel gladiator will be the best midsize truck out there and will blow away the Wrangler in towing. Pair that with some diesel mods and it will be one badass machine!
exactly. I don't know how some of these vehicles these days are rated to tow the massive loads that they are. it shouldn't be about having the PULLING POWER to pull it, but more about having the STOPPING/HOLDING POWER to control it.
Most people assume just because they can physically pull something means it's safe, but it's actually why there's laws. It somewhat protects other motorists from idiots that think they know.. Things like GVWR and brakes are the top things to consider.
@@christopherwilloughby9353 same here. I've wanted a Gladiator since they first debuted, but I never wanted a sorry pentastar. I'm waiting on the diesel and I'll snatch it up quick.
Despite a diesel Gladiator being a total dream truck for me and my hobbies, I couldn’t get past the price vs capability. I decided instead to buy a new RAM 2500 Cummins for LESS than a loaded diesel Gladiator will cost. I can tow my 13,000 lb trailer with it like a pro, and for off roading a Carli suspension system will provide nearly Raptor levels of performance...for my family of 6 it’s the better choice.
T Wayland if you consider 6-8k “almost the same” as 13k. Which anyone who tows 13k with a light duty truck better be going around the block and not mountains. The Gladiator is a mid sized truck with. 7k rating, the Raptor is a full sized truck with an additional 1000 lbs tow rating...I think that’s a pretty solid tie in my book considering mid vs full.
Rusty Climber apparently you didn’t read my first point where I said EXACTLY that. Someone needs to learn to read and not jump down someone’s throat when they don’t understand the conversation that is happening
@@BrianLampright913 are you comparing crew cab raptor to a crew cab f150 4x4? Or are you comparing it to a light duty truck with the best configuration for towing?
In 2005 my Dad bought a deck boat...a larger boat which required a new tow vehicle....he was deciding between an 05 Dakota or an 05 Ram. both could tow the boat but decided on the Ram....with a hemi....his reasoning....larger truck..engine and felt like he had more in reserve...plus the price and mpg differences between the two were minimal. A diesel Gladiator would be a better option for towing but if I were towing primarily...I'd probably get a full size pickup. By the way...I've been following your channel for a long time...and you are top notch with your production values...the detail and lengths you go to for a real world review...especially with towing, the Ike Gauntlet and reviews of snow tires etc. Living in MN, I appreciate how you add winter and snow as a component to owning a vehicle.
@@bloodzkull Doubt it. Our JLU 2.0 has the 8 speed. It shifts just as poorly as any other slushbox. Constant unnecessary downshifts, slow upshifts and no ability to plan for the road ahead. Sad, as the 2.0 would be tons of fun with a proper 6 speed manual transmission.
I tow a 3200lb travel trailer with my 2021 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Ecodiesel on 37s with a weight distribution hitch, and blue tooth trailer brakes. My engine is tuned with the banks derringer and pedal monster. It pulls no problem with this hitch, Im averaging 15mpg with the ecodiesel motor. I do have the tow package on the jeep and with everything loaded im probable right at 3500lbs. ZERO COMPLAINTS... very stable- no sway, and the trailer brakes do there job. GREAT REVIEW guys, you should see my rig.
I used to tow 3500 pounds with my 2011 Ford Escape. This isn't a ton of weight. The weight dist. hitch, and trailer brakes are crazy overkill for this kind of weight.
Can you guys do a comparison on Maintenance cost for these two. Would love to learn the difference in cost to properly care for gas vs diesel Wrangler/Gladiator. I'm thinking you might gain a little torque and mpg, but you have to pay more money to service the diesel engine over time, it may not be worth it for most folks.
That reflective chrome panel on the nose of the trailer would mess with my mind! LOL "So, which one to choose for towing?" I choose... the Rebel Rouser! :D
When towing, a sway bar will cut down the wobbly handling .... And a weight distribution hitch, don't forget about that. Both will dramatically improve towing.
Heard there is a formal investigation into the welds on the frame of Jeep Wranglers. If there is a actual problem on the Jeeps could you do a video or have yours checked out? Just curious on the matter and you guys are a viable source that I trust. Thank you and keep up the good work!
In Australia diesel is the default truck engine. There are some good petrol but people as old as me appreciate a motor that’s going to do hundreds of thousands of kilometres
I'm from South Africa and here we love diesel. Literally every single pickup available here only comes with a diesel engine, only a couple have petrol engines available but only in the base models.
I tow an AR195 with a dry weight of 3300lbs with a 2018 JLU (3.6l) at freeway speeds with no problems. I have never felt uncomfortable running 75mph. Just bought the diesel wrangler and can’t wait to hit the water.
Can you update any experience with you diesel if you've aquired it? .. I making a move across to the east cost this summer and am considering towing my wifes CRV hybrid on a uhaul trailer.
@@bgenesis12 I bought a 2021 wrangler jlu with the 3 liter diesel. I have a different experience than with the 3.6 gas motor. The problem with the diesel is it can care less what is behind it. The chassis and general physics seem to still care lol it is sketchy!! The vehicle wants to go 85 but the car short wheel base says no!! That said I have bo worries pulling the boat or anything behind my wrangler I just have to watch the speed which I believe is reasonable to expect. I have a long trailer hitch that sticks out past the tire. If I where you I would remove the back tire and use a normal hitch that will bring the tongue weight down considerably shifting everything forward and making it a better ride… I think!?
One year later, Diesel Gladiator is here! I’m looking to up grade my JK! The Gladiator got stuck on some narrow trails up here in the Pac Northwest, and I live in Seattle, so I need to find parking🙄 I’m really interested in the Gladiator, but my needs lean More Wrangler!! If I didn’t live and work in the city, I’m leaning more Gladiator🤯
As much as I want to have that gen 3 diesel,I am reminded by what my research has shown me.1) That it was originally designed for a Cadillac passenger car in Europe. That tells me that it was never designed to be a "Working engine". 2) I believe this engine can be made to last,if the buyer performs costly modifications to the engine making it more reliable. There is a rumor that a small displacement Cummins is going to be used in a midsize truck as well as that companies midsize SUV . Fingers crossed!
You need to do a bit more research. Variants of this engine have been in farm equipment for several years in the past with overly good results. The engine itself is not bad, its all of the emissions related equipment that are added onto the engine that causes the majority of the issues for the power plants life. The same goes for any of them that are currently produced. They all have EGR and SCR related issues, and the only way around that is some form of removal. The cummins v8 in the titan was riddled with issues as well, just the same. The goverment mandated stuff takes the life out of the engine for what should be a very long time. That being said, I am a huge fan of my ecodiesel ram. Has done well for me so far.
I do understand the shift in design. The cgi block, and various new parts and part locations should add to its longevity. Any V engine has piston slap, so I'm curious to see if that offset wrist pin helped with what vm thinks caused the cam gear to dislodge. I have seen this engine with nearly 509k on it. That was with All emissions removed from day one, and it was tuned proper by Mr. Banks. Do what banks says to do and I believe this new Gen 3 could be a long hauler. As far as the v8 cummins goes, that should have never been designed but, with emissions removed from them and tuned, they can be a beast.
@@n.elliott9122 Ahhh. Eliitot that fact that you speak of BANKS tells me you are quite informed. It's rather obvious that the Government is doing everything possible to sway the public away from adapting Diesel engines.
@@paulj9821 You areb100% correct on the Gov. and what they are up to. I visited Europe and the diesel engines are getting up to 80mpg,and the euro emissions are more strict than our own.
I am wondering how well the 2.0T would do against the Diesel. Granted it would still lose, but i think it might be closer considering it also has a turbo.
It would probably perform pretty well, but I'd be concerned for longevity towing with a turbo gas engine, things can get awfully hot internally running a lot of boost for long periods towing against headwinds and long gradients.
@@juanticimo Agreed it would be interesting to see a direct comparison and more realistically for entering the freeway accelerating from say 20 to 65 would be more realistic as to how it would perform on the on ramp, which is also where the turbo engine would likely perform well, as they seem to spool up better when already moving than from a standstill.
I have a Cherokee trailhawk with the 3.2 v6. It’s rated to tow more than the 2.0 turbo by about 500 lbs even though it’s way lower on torque. From what I’ve heard the turbo overheats and has to work too hard to be able to tow the same amount as the less powerful v6. That’s the problem with these 2.0 turbos. Yeah they have a lot of power but every bit of it comes from boost.
@@JonBecker81 Thats anecdotal evidence, and thats why I am interested in seeing actual data. "you've heard". Diesels have been running turbos for 50 years, turbo tech is fine. thanks for the comment tho cheers!
Something to consider...you were towing an empty trailer. Put some weight in there if you want to know how they will really handle towing. Also, if you are really planning to do a lot of towing, maybe a Jeep isn't the best way to go.
3:35 i mean the reason is obviously not the engine... those springs on that jeep are like spaghetti.. you cant put rock hard springs in an offroad vehicle..
and the wheelbase, brakes, swaybars, frame etc...the entire rear suspension geometry isnt the same as the JT...That said, with a proper trailer setup, wranglers tow surprisingly well. I pull my boat (3200lb) and sleds around with a 2dr 6spd Rubicon, no issues with power. Though i do have the mopar big brake kit, sway/stability is a non-issue, most people who ride with me are quite surprised how confident the 2dr JK is towing most of its rated capacity (3500lb)...of the 30k miles ive put on it, probably 15-20k are towing so far. Best part is the turning radius though, can whip a trailer around anywhere lol.
Ive never had an issue, my boat is 3200lb and my sleds are 2200lb...Always been impressed how well the 2dr JK tows, I did add the mopar big brake kit, but power-wise its decent with the 3.6/6spd and 4.10s...and still better on fuel than a Hemi Ram lol.
Kurt Muzio where do you tow? On regular flats my Jeep does just fine. Small hills also. But climbing the I-17 from Phoenix to flagstaff it’s a steep grade with 6,000 feet of elevation gain over 75 miles or so. That’s where my Jeep gets pissed off. Mines also a 5speed auto with the 3.6 pentastar
@@sheputthelimeinthecoconut629 I live in CT, just rolling hills here, but i tow to VT/NH which is mountainous, but obviously not like the rockies...might see 3000ft at most.
@@sheputthelimeinthecoconut629 On long grades like that how you drive and your expectations can make a difference. Many times on a long uphill section close to where I live, people come racing by me towing a load similar to mine, but then I see them on the shoulder with the hood up 5 miles further up the road. Perhaps the check engine light is trying to tell you something, what code is associated with the CEL
Fiveo waf P0300. I’m certainly not racing running 65 in a 75 zone. It’s spent a long time at Jeep for them to reflash it and claim it’s fixed. If I was running wide open up the grades I would understand the truck being pissed off. I’m a master tech for another make and I asked the foreman at the Jeep dealer what gives. He said they have seen it several times but FCA has their head in the sand. All people towing up the I-17.
TFL please add a safety portion to your towing tests. I like knowing about acceleration and pulling the ike, but I care more about braking (stopping distance) and ability to control the trailer in an emergency situation. Would love to see a hard braking and swerve/ lane change test.
You guys insist on testing at 5000+ feet altitude. This gives a major advantage to the turbo-charged vehicle. Bring it down to sea level and I'm betting the gas engine beats the diesel in acceleration. Naturally aspirated engines' power degrades with altitude, turbo engines maintain their power better at altitude.
Can you get a fifth wheel or a goose neck type hitch on the gladiator? I'm thinking the towing behavior would be even better. The eco diesel would be the bee's knees on the gladiator, well worth the 4k. I give you guys a hard time sometimes, but you're the best source for truck / off road info, keep up the good work.
I agree, the gladiator needs a v8 option for sure. The diesel would be cool if it’s was a motor with a good track record. But I’m not excited for the 3.0 diesel that’s coming in the gladiator because that motor has a bad track record already in the ram. It’s the same motor even if they said they’ve changed some things... same motor.
I towed a starcraft ar1 16bh for thousands of miles with my 2008 JKUR and then 2016 JKU. No check engine light ever, it just sucked, but it was stable and felt safe.
I have been towing from 2,000 lb. to 16,000 lb. since the 1970s! I learned two things favoring a diesel. One, consistent towing of any major weight will burn the valves of a gas engine. Never a problem with a diesel. The second thing is a diesel will average about 40% better fuel economy across the board! At one time I was towing 10-12,000 miles a month. That is significant!
I'd be interested in seeing the max tow on the gladiator vs these results. You get quite a bit more towing and payload with the sport and sport s max tow packages.
20 seconds to 60 for the Pentastar with an empty trailer makes sense. It's only putting around 190-210 hp to the rear wheels. Just about every other manufacturers 3.5-3.6 V6 is putting 15-20% more power to the rear wheels.
Yea here we are in 2023, with the EcoDiesel available in the Gladiator, that I’m currently looking at, not to tow anymore but relaxed power and mileage. Not that Gladiator you used, because it’s a Rubicon, is not available with Max Towing Package, with 4:10’s is it?
I pull trailers all the time with my TJ. I have no problems except in very steep climbs. I appreciate the manual transmission tremendously when pulling a trailer and going down a steep hill. I would love a diesel Gladiator. But after looking at the price of the petrol powered one, I think I will keep my TJ. The dealership would not even priced one without power locks, power seats, power windows, with a basic radio, a manual transmission, no ridiculous engine auto stop and start design flaw, and no push button start. I love the 4.0 inline six, anyway. I just need a bit more space. But for £50,000, I can just buy more TJs.
3500 lbs towing for a Jeep Wrangler? That’s sad, my $9000 2012 VW Golf TDI can tow 3000 lbs and that’s a front wheel drive hatchback Also; both jeeps should have a MANUAL TRANSMISSION option available on ALL trim lines!
@09fx ¿; I'm actually an extremist when it comes to the manual transmission, if I ran Jeep (or any car company), manuals would be returned to the *DEFAULT* transmission, automatics would be an *expensive* extra cost option, and there would be *NO* CVT anywhere near my company's vehicles, heck, if it was up to me, the CVT would be 100% Thanos-Snapped into oblivion TL/DR; Automatics SUCK!
Gladiator wheelbase with only two doors diesel motor manual transmission with no overhang on the rear of the vehicle and call it a Scrambler that's my dream Jeep
Before choosing a diesel, regardless of the advantages on paper in terms of speed and fuel economy, you really need to consider the bigger picture in terms of usage. If you are going to use it as a car, lots of short trips etc. the diesel will not be your friend, diesels take longer to warm up and with all the emissions equipment on them there are a number of potential issues that can occur. I own Ram Cummins diesel pickup and for towing and long distances on the open road it's fantastic, but if I were to use it consistently as a daily driver then the regeneration of the particulate filter would become an issue among other things. The 3.6 Penstar has proven to be a very reliable power unit, I hope the revisions to the diesel used here have addressed past issues, but with diesel currently around 50 cents a gallon more, where I live, than gasoline, I don't believe the diesel will be the best option for 99% of people and if towing is a priority then a 1500 diesel truck is going to be much better in terms of stability and comfort while towing. However, having said that I expect the diesel models of the Wrangler and Gladiator to sell like hotcakes.
Normally aspirated engines will always be at a disadvantage compared to turbocharged engines in Colorado. Reduces the fairness of the test to a degree. Near sea level the acceleration tests would be much closer to equal.
I’ve towed 3200lbs from Denver to SW Utah with my 2019 JLUR v6, and it did amazing. Plenty of power,. A WDH makes it safe and trouble free. The ZF 8 speed is awesome.
Same here. I tow my 3500 lb Rpod camper all over with my properly equipped 19 JLUR 3.6 and it does fine. The temps barely climb climbing mountain grades. And I get remarkable gas mileage while doing it. And why not because it's running the same engine and tranny as the Ram 1500. Yeah the tranny is a marvel, towing or not it always picks the right gear uphill or down.
@@terrywaters6186 The 8 speed trans makes a big difference for towing, keeps you in the right gear/rpm to handle the load. I think their performance expectations are out of wack in this test for what is realistic for the vehicle, trailer and power train combo. How fast do you expect to be able to accelerate? people managed for many years with less, recent vehicles are much more powerful than 20 years ago, when even a big V8 didn't give the greatest performance with a heavy load behind.
i used to tow a 1985 travel trailer that weighed 3500 lbs with a 1990 toyota that had a 2.4L straight 4. wasn't fast but i'd pass big rigs going up hills at 60mph.
So the diesel pulls easier- but unless Jeep changes something on the Gladiator to increase payload it will be handicapped by the additional engine weight in the diesel version. Take the average Rubicon with 1200lb payload- reduce by approx 400lb for added weight of the diesel and you are at approx 800lb payload. That combined with the additional cooling requirements of the diesel are likely why Jeep has said all along the diesel will not be rated to tow as much as the gas. So it will likely tow less but tow better...
I got a 2019 V6 Ram as a rental in on a trip to Detroit recently. Merging into traffic was scary and not the enjoyable experience my 5.7 Hemi provides in my 2019 RAM. That v6 is not enough engine for that truck. Plus it didn't provide a noticeable improvement on MPG over my v8. On a separate trip to Detroit, I received a new Wrangler with the turbo 4cl. This vehicle was peppy and actually fun to drive in traffic. It seems like the v6 isn't a good fit for the Ram or the Jeep.
@@scotthenson5874 I think the perfect fit for the Penstar has always been their minivan. My 2011 T*C rocks. It's not a vett but somewhere in macomb county, there's a Lexus RX300 that is still suffering from denial that a minivan could blow his doors off. I just go rid of my 02 KJ and bought a 2019 VW Atlas. The V6 in the KJ was pretty petty. The V6 in my 09 KK is anemic. But I've towed almost 4k lbs with it and it didn't ok IMO. But Michigan is pretty flat.
@@tc1uscg65 The V6 is really good in the Grand Cherokee, good power and fuel economy. When it's in the Wrangler/Gladiator the problem is the "brick wall" aerodynamics that affect power at anything over 55 mph and hammer the gas mileage. The Ram 1500 is just too big and too heavy for a V6. However that doesn't mean that V6 is not a really good engine and even in the Wrangler/Gladiator it's fine for normal use, towing less so, although one thing not covered in this test is that when pulling a box trailer the wind resistance is a huge factor which makes it seem like you are towing far more than the dead weight. With my Ram Cummins I've had the same fuel mileage pulling 14,000 with a flat bed trailer, as I get pulling my 5,500lb Travel Trailer. Once you go over 50mph that wind resistance really holds you back, any head wind only makes it worse, so what you are pulling, as well as the weight is a big factor in how the vehicle will perform.
You could put a 6.7L Cummins in the Wrangler, but no matter what you do you can not get around the fact that Gladiator has 90% more legal payload and 110% more legal towing capacity at maximum. So, this test is only partially useful.
I wanted a diesel gladiator, but I went ahead and bought the gas because the diesel motor they’re using is basically the same one on the rams, with a bad track record already. If it’s a known reliable diesel, no doubt I’d wait a year. The gas 3.6 on the other hand has been reliable since 2012. I just have more confidence in a motor that’s been used and already known for being good. But I do want a diesel gladiator, just wished it was a Cummins built.
00ninja00 What issues, those 3.0 diesels are produced by VM a division of FCA, had one in my Grand Cherokee, great motor not a days problem in over 150k of miles. Don't know of anyone who had a problem with theirs so your comment surprises me. Any references I can follow?
Garth Hayward I’ll try and link some, but I’ve read way more bad comments than I have good about the ram v6 diesel motor. Even here on RUclips, if you search ram diesel v6, you’ll see most people talk about how much problems it had. FCA claims they changed some stuff around, but it’s basically the same motor.
They talked about the payload difference, but not the difference in GVWR which would be great to know; Is it a bit higher in the gladiator? If the gladiator comes out in diesel form that may account for some additional difference between the two due to increased engine weight etc.
Is it normal in the USA to have the ball hitch extended so far back from the body, extending the distance from the back axle to the gitch pivot point markedly and needlessly? This must have a negative effect on the stability of the combination.
Huw Williams I think it’s because it’s a wright distributing hitch. From experience, you need the tongue to be a bit long because of the spare tire on the wrangler.
It's because they're using that adjustable hitch mount. Most people here in the USA don't tow anything...but if they do, they generally get a non-adjustable drop hitch that matches the vehicle's height (and is shorter than the adjustable setup). That said, what TFL uses is at most 6" longer than a non-adjustable setup.
@@NukePooch1 I reckon there's a good nine inches to a foot excess neck there. It could be needed is the spare wheel is hung low I suppose but looks ungainly and unnecessary to me compared to what I'm used to. They must know what they are doing and the towing weight is quite low, so that helps.
They only use that ungainly hitch for promotional purposes. The ball doesn't have to stick out beyond the tire...some of the trailer tongue can be under it. I have a normal stubby hitch on mine for a utility trailer and it works fine.
@@dchawk81 I then thought that perhaps it was for people who are very poor at reversing trailers. The long drawbar on the towing vehicle certainly does aid reversing. At the cost of stability going forwards on the road at any sensible speed
Fuel economy offsets higher fuel costs (15% more per gallon and 30% better fuel economy). DEF costs about $2.50 and you go through a gallon every 1000 miles so air fresheners cost more. Anti gel additives? Maybe in Alaska. Maintenance costs are comparable to these new direct injected gasoline engines. Overall diesel's cost of ownership is less.
@Jeff A. The main reason why the tow rating of the Wrangler is so low is because it's short. Longer vehicles make more stable towing platforms. The Gladiator grille has more airflow capacity (for more cooling while towing) than the Wrangler one...
No doubt the Gladiator tows better. It isn't all about engine power. It has a truck rear suspension and frame and better cooling. The Wrangler just isn't set up to tow much. No shock here. However, I didn't think the Pentastar did badly. Clearly if I were towing that trailer regularly, I'd go with the Gladiator. I tow a lightweight fishing boat with my Wrangler. That's about as much as I'd do, or a light camper. The chassis just isn't designed for being a tow vehicle.
Which one is better able to be driven to the dealership for repairs? Which one will be easier to be put on a flat bed tow truck? Which one costs more than the other which is way more than they should because they are FIATS.....Fix It Again Tony.
It's the wheelbase, not the cooling, that limits the tow capacity of the JL and is why the 2-door tow rating is only 2,000LB vs 3,500 for the 4-door. The Gladiator's much longer wheelbase allows for a higher tow rating.
But I think 3500 is also very low... In Germany every VW Touareg (Wheelbase 2,9 m; Jeep 2d 2,5m; 4d > 3m) has a tow rating of ~7700lbs. Do you know why this is so low on the Wrangler?
nh_292 US towing and safety specs/requirements are different in the US. The 4-door Wrangler has had a 3,500LB max tow rating since it was released in the US for the 2007 model year. 13 years later, still the same 3,500LB even with engine, transmission, and suspension changes over the years. Same for the 2-door Wrangler, it’s been 2,000LB max tow for ages.
Yes, tortion bar hitch to even the weight over the tow vehicle. The only problem I've had with those is driveway / gas station approaches, sometimes the rear axel will lift off the ground.
I spent most of this video trying to figure out why two jeeps are only 1,600 pounds lighter than my regular cab one ton dually. Unless you are towing a little over landing trailer or a lawn mower, they really aren't good for towing.
Considering the Jeep Wrangler looks like it's suspension can't handle the weight, I'd say the Gladiator is better due to the suspension not being over compressed. And better at dealing with bumps. Also all those emmission systems will make that diesel destroy itself faster then a traditional diesel, basically they didn't test these systems fully or did and went ahead anyways thinking people can just suffer with a vehicle that destroys itself in 150k miles.
My boss is a huge jeep fan, he has a 2017 artic edition wrangler. Does the Gladiator or the Wrangler with diesel Stop in a safe distance? Its know that jeeps cant stop at all let alone with a trailer....
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Does the wrangler diesel suffer from the same amount of lag that Roman complained about on the new ram diesel?
The Fast Lane Car did you keep the sun rider top off the JL to put on the JT?
Can you guys do a comparison on Maintenance cost for these two. Would love to learn the difference in cost to properly care for gas vs diesel Wrangler/Gladiator. I'm thinking you might gain a little torque and mpg, but you have to pay more money to service the diesel engine over time, it may not be worth it for most folks.
This test is a waste of our time. We already know that a 2 and 4 door Wranglers cannot tow heavy loads.
Hands down the Diesel gladiator will be the best midsize truck out there and will blow away the Wrangler in towing. Pair that with some diesel mods and it will be one badass machine!
Bottom line, a good preview of what the diesel Gladiator will be like.
The only way I could get it
The diesel Gladiator will have a lot more torque- very welcome- but it’ll have a lower towing and payload rating, like the Wrangler.
@@aggiewoodie you can 100% tow the same amount and be perfectly fine
Brakes are the most important thing when towing. It would be nice to see a 60 to zero brake test while towing.
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exactly. I don't know how some of these vehicles these days are rated to tow the massive loads that they are. it shouldn't be about having the PULLING POWER to pull it, but more about having the STOPPING/HOLDING POWER to control it.
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@@jonathanalligood4202 not all trailers have brakes.
Most people assume just because they can physically pull something means it's safe, but it's actually why there's laws. It somewhat protects other motorists from idiots that think they know.. Things like GVWR and brakes are the top things to consider.
These things can tow more but the brakes hold them back, this is very evident in the 3/4 ton market
If I was in the market for a Gladiator there is no question I would wait for the diesel one.
Your Name ya the extra $5K wouldn’t be a factor
Craig Williams 5k divided by 72(months) = $69(per month). i think most intelligent people would wait. the resale alone, will also be waaaay higher.
That is exactly what I am doing.....
@@christopherwilloughby9353 same here. I've wanted a Gladiator since they first debuted, but I never wanted a sorry pentastar. I'm waiting on the diesel and I'll snatch it up quick.
Despite a diesel Gladiator being a total dream truck for me and my hobbies, I couldn’t get past the price vs capability. I decided instead to buy a new RAM 2500 Cummins for LESS than a loaded diesel Gladiator will cost. I can tow my 13,000 lb trailer with it like a pro, and for off roading a Carli suspension system will provide nearly Raptor levels of performance...for my family of 6 it’s the better choice.
So the Wrangler can tow the horse trailer as long as there are no horses in it? Handy.
Soft off-road suspension can’t handle payloads...Ford Raptor has the same problem as does all other off road oriented machines.
@@BrianLampright913 the raptor tows almost the same as a regular f150
T Wayland if you consider 6-8k “almost the same” as 13k. Which anyone who tows 13k with a light duty truck better be going around the block and not mountains. The Gladiator is a mid sized truck with. 7k rating, the Raptor is a full sized truck with an additional 1000 lbs tow rating...I think that’s a pretty solid tie in my book considering mid vs full.
Rusty Climber apparently you didn’t read my first point where I said EXACTLY that. Someone needs to learn to read and not jump down someone’s throat when they don’t understand the conversation that is happening
@@BrianLampright913 are you comparing crew cab raptor to a crew cab f150 4x4? Or are you comparing it to a light duty truck with the best configuration for towing?
Gladiator with the 3.0L diesel for the win.....
In 2005 my Dad bought a deck boat...a larger boat which required a new tow vehicle....he was deciding between an 05 Dakota or an 05 Ram. both could tow the boat but decided on the Ram....with a hemi....his reasoning....larger truck..engine and felt like he had more in reserve...plus the price and mpg differences between the two were minimal. A diesel Gladiator would be a better option for towing but if I were towing primarily...I'd probably get a full size pickup.
By the way...I've been following your channel for a long time...and you are top notch with your production values...the detail and lengths you go to for a real world review...especially with towing, the Ike Gauntlet and reviews of snow tires etc. Living in MN, I appreciate how you add winter and snow as a component to owning a vehicle.
What I've noticed lately is that whoever is driving the diesel JL has a smile on their face!
scratchnbell only wish it had a Manual transmission option
@@brandonmick9191 Manual transmission saves fuel, they don't like that option
Think you'll find the 8 speed auto will be better on fuel than the manual
@@bloodzkull
Doubt it. Our JLU 2.0 has the 8 speed. It shifts just as poorly as any other slushbox. Constant unnecessary downshifts, slow upshifts and no ability to plan for the road ahead.
Sad, as the 2.0 would be tons of fun with a proper 6 speed manual transmission.
I do 20k miles of smiles. Wrangler JL 23'
I tow a 3200lb travel trailer with my 2021 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Ecodiesel on 37s with a weight distribution hitch, and blue tooth trailer brakes. My engine is tuned with the banks derringer and pedal monster. It pulls no problem with this hitch, Im averaging 15mpg with the ecodiesel motor. I do have the tow package on the jeep and with everything loaded im probable right at 3500lbs. ZERO COMPLAINTS... very stable- no sway, and the trailer brakes do there job. GREAT REVIEW guys, you should see my rig.
I used to tow 3500 pounds with my 2011 Ford Escape. This isn't a ton of weight. The weight dist. hitch, and trailer brakes are crazy overkill for this kind of weight.
Can you guys do a comparison on Maintenance cost for these two. Would love to learn the difference in cost to properly care for gas vs diesel Wrangler/Gladiator. I'm thinking you might gain a little torque and mpg, but you have to pay more money to service the diesel engine over time, it may not be worth it for most folks.
I see a new format on B roll footage, love to see that
That reflective chrome panel on the nose of the trailer would mess with my mind! LOL
"So, which one to choose for towing?" I choose... the Rebel Rouser! :D
I REALLY like that Gladiator. It looks so good.
When towing, a sway bar will cut down the wobbly handling .... And a weight distribution hitch, don't forget about that. Both will dramatically improve towing.
I love this video an abnormal amount. It's so peaceful and makes me calm
Great review and thanks Andre & Tommy for your review of these 2 Jeeps. Best option would be a diesel Gladiator.
Heard there is a formal investigation into the welds on the frame of Jeep Wranglers. If there is a actual problem on the Jeeps could you do a video or have yours checked out? Just curious on the matter and you guys are a viable source that I trust. Thank you and keep up the good work!
Jake Hollingsworth that was the original 2018’s. 19-20’s should be fine
@@109rfan1 '19's are in the investigation. If '19's are in then there is a good possibility that 20's are as well.
Wouldn't it have been interesting driving both with the trailer for a bit and then comparing fuel consumption, or overall range when towing a trailer?
In Australia diesel is the default truck engine. There are some good petrol but people as old as me appreciate a motor that’s going to do hundreds of thousands of kilometres
I'm from South Africa and here we love diesel. Literally every single pickup available here only comes with a diesel engine, only a couple have petrol engines available but only in the base models.
50-70mph run would have been great to see!
I tow an AR195 with a dry weight of 3300lbs with a 2018 JLU (3.6l) at freeway speeds with no problems. I have never felt uncomfortable running 75mph. Just bought the diesel wrangler and can’t wait to hit the water.
Can you update any experience with you diesel if you've aquired it? .. I making a move across to the east cost this summer and am considering towing my wifes CRV hybrid on a uhaul trailer.
@@bgenesis12 I bought a 2021 wrangler jlu with the 3 liter diesel. I have a different experience than with the 3.6 gas motor. The problem with the diesel is it can care less what is behind it. The chassis and general physics seem to still care lol it is sketchy!! The vehicle wants to go 85 but the car short wheel base says no!!
That said I have bo worries pulling the boat or anything behind my wrangler I just have to watch the speed which I believe is reasonable to expect.
I have a long trailer hitch that sticks out past the tire. If I where you I would remove the back tire and use a normal hitch that will bring the tongue weight down considerably shifting everything forward and making it a better ride… I think!?
One year later, Diesel Gladiator is here! I’m looking to up grade my JK! The Gladiator got stuck on some narrow trails up here in the Pac Northwest, and I live in Seattle, so I need to find parking🙄 I’m really interested in the Gladiator, but my needs lean More Wrangler!! If I didn’t live and work in the city, I’m leaning more Gladiator🤯
As much as I want to have that gen 3 diesel,I am reminded by what my research has shown me.1) That it was originally designed for a Cadillac passenger car in Europe. That tells me that it was never designed to be a "Working engine". 2) I believe this engine can be made to last,if the buyer performs costly modifications to the engine making it more reliable. There is a rumor that a small displacement Cummins is going to be used in a midsize truck as well as that companies midsize SUV . Fingers crossed!
You understand this Diesel has had a major paradigm shift in design. It's vastly different from gen 2 ecodiesel.
You need to do a bit more research. Variants of this engine have been in farm equipment for several years in the past with overly good results. The engine itself is not bad, its all of the emissions related equipment that are added onto the engine that causes the majority of the issues for the power plants life. The same goes for any of them that are currently produced. They all have EGR and SCR related issues, and the only way around that is some form of removal. The cummins v8 in the titan was riddled with issues as well, just the same. The goverment mandated stuff takes the life out of the engine for what should be a very long time.
That being said, I am a huge fan of my ecodiesel ram. Has done well for me so far.
I do understand the shift in design. The cgi block, and various new parts and part locations should add to its longevity. Any V engine has piston slap, so I'm curious to see if that offset wrist pin helped with what vm thinks caused the cam gear to dislodge. I have seen this engine with nearly 509k on it. That was with All emissions removed from day one, and it was tuned proper by Mr. Banks. Do what banks says to do and I believe this new Gen 3 could be a long hauler. As far as the v8 cummins goes, that should have never been designed but, with emissions removed from them and tuned, they can be a beast.
@@n.elliott9122 Ahhh. Eliitot that fact that you speak of BANKS tells me you are quite informed. It's rather obvious that the Government is doing everything possible to sway the public away from adapting Diesel engines.
@@paulj9821 You areb100% correct on the Gov. and what they are up to. I visited Europe and the diesel engines are getting up to 80mpg,and the euro emissions are more strict than our own.
"what's better at towing"
Means which one will go farther and last longer towing trailer.
Not
"Which can go faster"
I am wondering how well the 2.0T would do against the Diesel. Granted it would still lose, but i think it might be closer considering it also has a turbo.
It would probably perform pretty well, but I'd be concerned for longevity towing with a turbo gas engine, things can get awfully hot internally running a lot of boost for long periods towing against headwinds and long gradients.
@@fiveowaf454 I was more meaning in terms of a comparison
@@juanticimo Agreed it would be interesting to see a direct comparison and more realistically for entering the freeway accelerating from say 20 to 65 would be more realistic as to how it would perform on the on ramp, which is also where the turbo engine would likely perform well, as they seem to spool up better when already moving than from a standstill.
I have a Cherokee trailhawk with the 3.2 v6. It’s rated to tow more than the 2.0 turbo by about 500 lbs even though it’s way lower on torque. From what I’ve heard the turbo overheats and has to work too hard to be able to tow the same amount as the less powerful v6. That’s the problem with these 2.0 turbos. Yeah they have a lot of power but every bit of it comes from boost.
@@JonBecker81 Thats anecdotal evidence, and thats why I am interested in seeing actual data. "you've heard". Diesels have been running turbos for 50 years, turbo tech is fine. thanks for the comment tho cheers!
Love to see the #’s on Diesel fully tuned with Methanol injection, intake, and exhaust plus tuned of course.
Something to consider...you were towing an empty trailer. Put some weight in there if you want to know how they will really handle towing. Also, if you are really planning to do a lot of towing, maybe a Jeep isn't the best way to go.
The Wrangler was already maxed out since it tows 3500 lbs
@@RestrictedHades So then, you could say that it really shouldn't be towing that trailer...since it would need to be empty.🤣
@@sdz9850 It's irrelevant. It's just a test weight.
3:35 i mean the reason is obviously not the engine... those springs on that jeep are like spaghetti.. you cant put rock hard springs in an offroad vehicle..
and the wheelbase, brakes, swaybars, frame etc...the entire rear suspension geometry isnt the same as the JT...That said, with a proper trailer setup, wranglers tow surprisingly well. I pull my boat (3200lb) and sleds around with a 2dr 6spd Rubicon, no issues with power. Though i do have the mopar big brake kit, sway/stability is a non-issue, most people who ride with me are quite surprised how confident the 2dr JK is towing most of its rated capacity (3500lb)...of the 30k miles ive put on it, probably 15-20k are towing so far. Best part is the turning radius though, can whip a trailer around anywhere lol.
I’m glad that I’m not the only one who gets a CEL every time I pull a hard grade with my JK with my side by side in tow.
Ive never had an issue, my boat is 3200lb and my sleds are 2200lb...Always been impressed how well the 2dr JK tows, I did add the mopar big brake kit, but power-wise its decent with the 3.6/6spd and 4.10s...and still better on fuel than a Hemi Ram lol.
Kurt Muzio where do you tow? On regular flats my Jeep does just fine. Small hills also. But climbing the I-17 from Phoenix to flagstaff it’s a steep grade with 6,000 feet of elevation gain over 75 miles or so. That’s where my Jeep gets pissed off. Mines also a 5speed auto with the 3.6 pentastar
@@sheputthelimeinthecoconut629 I live in CT, just rolling hills here, but i tow to VT/NH which is mountainous, but obviously not like the rockies...might see 3000ft at most.
@@sheputthelimeinthecoconut629 On long grades like that how you drive and your expectations can make a difference. Many times on a long uphill section close to where I live, people come racing by me towing a load similar to mine, but then I see them on the shoulder with the hood up 5 miles further up the road. Perhaps the check engine light is trying to tell you something, what code is associated with the CEL
Fiveo waf P0300. I’m certainly not racing running 65 in a 75 zone. It’s spent a long time at Jeep for them to reflash it and claim it’s fixed. If I was running wide open up the grades I would understand the truck being pissed off.
I’m a master tech for another make and I asked the foreman at the Jeep dealer what gives. He said they have seen it several times but FCA has their head in the sand. All people towing up the I-17.
Diesel for the win! More torque at low rpm
TFL please add a safety portion to your towing tests. I like knowing about acceleration and pulling the ike, but I care more about braking (stopping distance) and ability to control the trailer in an emergency situation. Would love to see a hard braking and swerve/ lane change test.
You guys insist on testing at 5000+ feet altitude. This gives a major advantage to the turbo-charged vehicle. Bring it down to sea level and I'm betting the gas engine beats the diesel in acceleration. Naturally aspirated engines' power degrades with altitude, turbo engines maintain their power better at altitude.
Can you get a fifth wheel or a goose neck type hitch on the gladiator? I'm thinking the towing behavior would be even better. The eco diesel would be the bee's knees on the gladiator, well worth the 4k.
I give you guys a hard time sometimes, but you're the best source for truck / off road info, keep up the good work.
We need a v8 5.7 Hemi as a option on both of them it will fit and it will out sell that pintostar v6 Americans love v8 so please make it happened
No
Never going to happen.
I agree, the gladiator needs a v8 option for sure. The diesel would be cool if it’s was a motor with a good track record. But I’m not excited for the 3.0 diesel that’s coming in the gladiator because that motor has a bad track record already in the ram. It’s the same motor even if they said they’ve changed some things... same motor.
@@00ninja00 3.0 is good motor but price is not.
Never gunna happen....CAFE ratings would drop and would need to be recertified.
I towed a starcraft ar1 16bh for thousands of miles with my 2008 JKUR and then 2016 JKU. No check engine light ever, it just sucked, but it was stable and felt safe.
You guys do a great job.
I have been towing from 2,000 lb. to 16,000 lb. since the 1970s! I learned two things favoring a diesel. One, consistent towing of any major weight will burn the valves of a gas engine. Never a problem with a diesel. The second thing is a diesel will average about 40% better fuel economy across the board! At one time I was towing 10-12,000 miles a month. That is significant!
$60,000 trucks and incandescent lighting.. wow.
If you had used a proper weight distributing hitch with sway control both would have been rock steady.
I'd be interested in seeing the max tow on the gladiator vs these results. You get quite a bit more towing and payload with the sport and sport s max tow packages.
Yes. Needs a diesel gladiator 3l. We hope we get that down under...Steve 🇦🇺
20 seconds to 60 for the Pentastar with an empty trailer makes sense. It's only putting around 190-210 hp to the rear wheels. Just about every other manufacturers 3.5-3.6 V6 is putting 15-20% more power to the rear wheels.
That's at a mile high too. The 3.6 is NA.
You should do a Comanche vs gladiator towing comparison next!?
Yea here we are in 2023, with the EcoDiesel available in the Gladiator, that I’m currently looking at, not to tow anymore but relaxed power and mileage. Not that Gladiator you used, because it’s a Rubicon, is not available with Max Towing Package, with 4:10’s is it?
That Minimum Tow Rating Is For The Jeep Wrangler,But The EcoDiesel Wins!
I pull trailers all the time with my TJ. I have no problems except in very steep climbs. I appreciate the manual transmission tremendously when pulling a trailer and going down a steep hill. I would love a diesel Gladiator. But after looking at the price of the petrol powered one, I think I will keep my TJ. The dealership would not even priced one without power locks, power seats, power windows, with a basic radio, a manual transmission, no ridiculous engine auto stop and start design flaw, and no push button start. I love the 4.0 inline six, anyway. I just need a bit more space. But for £50,000, I can just buy more TJs.
When the manual Gladiator diesel comes out, I'll buy one.
CarLuvrSD it never will
I’ll buy a v8 Jeep if they ever make 1
3500 lbs towing for a Jeep Wrangler? That’s sad, my $9000 2012 VW Golf TDI can tow 3000 lbs and that’s a front wheel drive hatchback
Also; both jeeps should have a MANUAL TRANSMISSION option available on ALL trim lines!
MacTechG4 it’s because of the short wheelbase in the wrangler.
@09fx ¿; I'm actually an extremist when it comes to the manual transmission, if I ran Jeep (or any car company), manuals would be returned to the *DEFAULT* transmission, automatics would be an *expensive* extra cost option, and there would be *NO* CVT anywhere near my company's vehicles, heck, if it was up to me, the CVT would be 100% Thanos-Snapped into oblivion
TL/DR; Automatics SUCK!
Gladiator wheelbase with only two doors diesel motor manual transmission with no overhang on the rear of the vehicle and call it a Scrambler that's my dream Jeep
diesel is the best
Before choosing a diesel, regardless of the advantages on paper in terms of speed and fuel economy, you really need to consider the bigger picture in terms of usage. If you are going to use it as a car, lots of short trips etc. the diesel will not be your friend, diesels take longer to warm up and with all the emissions equipment on them there are a number of potential issues that can occur. I own Ram Cummins diesel pickup and for towing and long distances on the open road it's fantastic, but if I were to use it consistently as a daily driver then the regeneration of the particulate filter would become an issue among other things. The 3.6 Penstar has proven to be a very reliable power unit, I hope the revisions to the diesel used here have addressed past issues, but with diesel currently around 50 cents a gallon more, where I live, than gasoline, I don't believe the diesel will be the best option for 99% of people and if towing is a priority then a 1500 diesel truck is going to be much better in terms of stability and comfort while towing. However, having said that I expect the diesel models of the Wrangler and Gladiator to sell like hotcakes.
Normally aspirated engines will always be at a disadvantage compared to turbocharged engines in Colorado. Reduces the fairness of the test to a degree. Near sea level the acceleration tests would be much closer to equal.
Yeah, I vote for a diesel Gladiator
I can’t wait for diesel gladiator reviews
I’ve towed 3200lbs from Denver to SW Utah with my 2019 JLUR v6, and it did amazing. Plenty of power,. A WDH makes it safe and trouble free. The ZF 8 speed is awesome.
Same here. I tow my 3500 lb Rpod camper all over with my properly equipped 19 JLUR 3.6 and it does fine. The temps barely climb climbing mountain grades. And I get remarkable gas mileage while doing it. And why not because it's running the same engine and tranny as the Ram 1500. Yeah the tranny is a marvel, towing or not it always picks the right gear uphill or down.
@@terrywaters6186 The 8 speed trans makes a big difference for towing, keeps you in the right gear/rpm to handle the load. I think their performance expectations are out of wack in this test for what is realistic for the vehicle, trailer and power train combo. How fast do you expect to be able to accelerate? people managed for many years with less, recent vehicles are much more powerful than 20 years ago, when even a big V8 didn't give the greatest performance with a heavy load behind.
You need to install a g-meter in your phone and measure acceleration in g's. Much better then "yeah that's not much acceleration".
big difference in G's from 16 seconds to 19 seconds zero to sixty...wonder what that would be for 19 seconds, like .004 G maybe
The re weight might have mess the numbers, weigh those trucks separately and don't cheap out on the scale
i used to tow a 1985 travel trailer that weighed 3500 lbs with a 1990 toyota that had a 2.4L straight 4. wasn't fast but i'd pass big rigs going up hills at 60mph.
What tows better a gasoline chevy tahoe or a disel F250
Typically its nice to compare different cars with similar engines either gasoline or diesel.
So the diesel pulls easier- but unless Jeep changes something on the Gladiator to increase payload it will be handicapped by the additional engine weight in the diesel version. Take the average Rubicon with 1200lb payload- reduce by approx 400lb for added weight of the diesel and you are at approx 800lb payload. That combined with the additional cooling requirements of the diesel are likely why Jeep has said all along the diesel will not be rated to tow as much as the gas. So it will likely tow less but tow better...
A V6 Ram quad cab weighs less than these Jeeps.
Exactly. A V8 F-150 supercab weighs less than that wrangler. How tf is that possible?
I got a 2019 V6 Ram as a rental in on a trip to Detroit recently. Merging into traffic was scary and not the enjoyable experience my 5.7 Hemi provides in my 2019 RAM. That v6 is not enough engine for that truck. Plus it didn't provide a noticeable improvement on MPG over my v8. On a separate trip to Detroit, I received a new Wrangler with the turbo 4cl. This vehicle was peppy and actually fun to drive in traffic. It seems like the v6 isn't a good fit for the Ram or the Jeep.
@@scotthenson5874 I think the perfect fit for the Penstar has always been their minivan. My 2011 T*C rocks. It's not a vett but somewhere in macomb county, there's a Lexus RX300 that is still suffering from denial that a minivan could blow his doors off. I just go rid of my 02 KJ and bought a 2019 VW Atlas. The V6 in the KJ was pretty petty. The V6 in my 09 KK is anemic. But I've towed almost 4k lbs with it and it didn't ok IMO. But Michigan is pretty flat.
@@tc1uscg65 The V6 is really good in the Grand Cherokee, good power and fuel economy. When it's in the Wrangler/Gladiator the problem is the "brick wall" aerodynamics that affect power at anything over 55 mph and hammer the gas mileage. The Ram 1500 is just too big and too heavy for a V6. However that doesn't mean that V6 is not a really good engine and even in the Wrangler/Gladiator it's fine for normal use, towing less so, although one thing not covered in this test is that when pulling a box trailer the wind resistance is a huge factor which makes it seem like you are towing far more than the dead weight. With my Ram Cummins I've had the same fuel mileage pulling 14,000 with a flat bed trailer, as I get pulling my 5,500lb Travel Trailer. Once you go over 50mph that wind resistance really holds you back, any head wind only makes it worse, so what you are pulling, as well as the weight is a big factor in how the vehicle will perform.
my 2017 1500 crew cab is about 5900 lbs, so nope probably not less, but similar. That's the reason is ends up with a 7k tow rating for the gladiator.
love these comparisons.... keep up the good work
Love Andre’s attitude
Was expecting an actual towing comparison like the ones when they compare fuel economy while towing. Not a 0-60 race
Ryan Dragone just my expectations for the video bud. Don’t want either one
Appreciate you guys, can’t get this kind of knowledge anywhere else!!!👍
You could put a 6.7L Cummins in the Wrangler, but no matter what you do you can not get around the fact that Gladiator has 90% more legal payload and 110% more legal towing capacity at maximum. So, this test is only partially useful.
I bought a Gladiator because I want to do Jeep stuff, but need to do some truck stuff too.
You can always regear the Gladiator if you are towing all the time and it will do as well as that diesel did.
hi guy ! keep up doing the good job!!!
Great video 👍🏽 BUT !!! I would like to see 2 Horses 🐴 or 2 Cows 🐮 in the trailer, then do it again ! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Alan Zolotoff it would weigh to much
Just saw the Gladiator diesel test vehicle in Fort Meyers Florida.
It’s so exhausting to hear people say “lots of people think it’s a wrangler with a bed” if your one of these people... your not a real Jeep fan
would be cool if you guys did some testing with manual transmission gladiator
Diesel Gladiator Sport S with tow package might become the best all round vehicle Jeep would have produced. for a while..
Garth Hayward On my shopping list in 2021 when my Compass lease is up...
I wanted a diesel gladiator, but I went ahead and bought the gas because the diesel motor they’re using is basically the same one on the rams, with a bad track record already. If it’s a known reliable diesel, no doubt I’d wait a year. The gas 3.6 on the other hand has been reliable since 2012. I just have more confidence in a motor that’s been used and already known for being good.
But I do want a diesel gladiator, just wished it was a Cummins built.
00ninja00 What issues, those 3.0 diesels are produced by VM a division of FCA, had one in my Grand Cherokee, great motor not a days problem in over 150k of miles. Don't know of anyone who had a problem with theirs so your comment surprises me. Any references I can follow?
Garth Hayward I’ll try and link some, but I’ve read way more bad comments than I have good about the ram v6 diesel motor. Even here on RUclips, if you search ram diesel v6, you’ll see most people talk about how much problems it had. FCA claims they changed some stuff around, but it’s basically the same motor.
They talked about the payload difference, but not the difference in GVWR which would be great to know; Is it a bit higher in the gladiator? If the gladiator comes out in diesel form that may account for some additional difference between the two due to increased engine weight etc.
Now I really want to see ram 1500 5.7gas vs 3L diesel
Gas vs diesel? Gas will be slower towing but in the end you will have less problems and lower maintenance cost. Tough call. Not!
Is it normal in the USA to have the ball hitch extended so far back from the body, extending the distance from the back axle to the gitch pivot point markedly and needlessly? This must have a negative effect on the stability of the combination.
Huw Williams I think it’s because it’s a wright distributing hitch. From experience, you need the tongue to be a bit long because of the spare tire on the wrangler.
It's because they're using that adjustable hitch mount. Most people here in the USA don't tow anything...but if they do, they generally get a non-adjustable drop hitch that matches the vehicle's height (and is shorter than the adjustable setup). That said, what TFL uses is at most 6" longer than a non-adjustable setup.
@@NukePooch1
I reckon there's a good nine inches to a foot excess neck there. It could be needed is the spare wheel is hung low I suppose but looks ungainly and unnecessary to me compared to what I'm used to. They must know what they are doing and the towing weight is quite low, so that helps.
They only use that ungainly hitch for promotional purposes.
The ball doesn't have to stick out beyond the tire...some of the trailer tongue can be under it.
I have a normal stubby hitch on mine for a utility trailer and it works fine.
@@dchawk81
I then thought that perhaps it was for people who are very poor at reversing trailers. The long drawbar on the towing vehicle certainly does aid reversing. At the cost of stability going forwards on the road at any sensible speed
My dad has a wrangler that looks identical to that!
Need to make it clear. The gladiator rubicon is only rated to 5000. Only the sport with 4:11 gears is rated to 7400
How about "what tows better naturally or turbo/supercharged?".
I think it would be entertaining to do the same acceleration test with the Tesla Model X you have.
Diesel engines cost more.
Fuel costs more.
DEF and anti gel additives needed.
Maintenance costs more.
Fuel economy offsets higher fuel costs (15% more per gallon and 30% better fuel economy). DEF costs about $2.50 and you go through a gallon every 1000 miles so air fresheners cost more. Anti gel additives? Maybe in Alaska. Maintenance costs are comparable to these new direct injected gasoline engines. Overall diesel's cost of ownership is less.
@@erikkovacs3097 $3,500-$4,500 higher purchase price also. I'm keeping my JTR as is. Simply more practical for me.
The wrangler is not a substantial tow vehicle with only 3500 pound towing capacity. Same as my Toyota Sienna
@Jeff A. The main reason why the tow rating of the Wrangler is so low is because it's short. Longer vehicles make more stable towing platforms. The Gladiator grille has more airflow capacity (for more cooling while towing) than the Wrangler one...
instantly I have two questions 1 how would an old-school Jeep Gladiator pair up with the same weight 2 how would the Pioneer do also
Where is the Canyon AT4 release review?
Another head-to-head brought to you by the Apples and Oranges youtube channel. And why no fuel economy results?
When are you guys going to do the Gladiator Eco Diesel Ike gauntlet test?
No doubt the Gladiator tows better. It isn't all about engine power. It has a truck rear suspension and frame and better cooling. The Wrangler just isn't set up to tow much. No shock here. However, I didn't think the Pentastar did badly. Clearly if I were towing that trailer regularly, I'd go with the Gladiator. I tow a lightweight fishing boat with my Wrangler. That's about as much as I'd do, or a light camper. The chassis just isn't designed for being a tow vehicle.
Which one is better able to be driven to the dealership for repairs? Which one will be easier to be put on a flat bed tow truck? Which one costs more than the other which is way more than they should because they are FIATS.....Fix It Again Tony.
It's the wheelbase, not the cooling, that limits the tow capacity of the JL and is why the 2-door tow rating is only 2,000LB vs 3,500 for the 4-door. The Gladiator's much longer wheelbase allows for a higher tow rating.
But I think 3500 is also very low... In Germany every VW Touareg (Wheelbase 2,9 m; Jeep 2d 2,5m; 4d > 3m) has a tow rating of ~7700lbs. Do you know why this is so low on the Wrangler?
nh_292 US towing and safety specs/requirements are different in the US. The 4-door Wrangler has had a 3,500LB max tow rating since it was released in the US for the 2007 model year. 13 years later, still the same 3,500LB even with engine, transmission, and suspension changes over the years. Same for the 2-door Wrangler, it’s been 2,000LB max tow for ages.
@@dieseldrax Ah, okay!
Thank you!
I wouldn't want either of these for towing.
I would like TFL truck to evaluate weight distribution hitches.
Yes, tortion bar hitch to even the weight over the tow vehicle. The only problem I've had with those is driveway / gas station approaches, sometimes the rear axel will lift off the ground.
Should test again after a Def delete kit
I spent most of this video trying to figure out why two jeeps are only 1,600 pounds lighter than my regular cab one ton dually. Unless you are towing a little over landing trailer or a lawn mower, they really aren't good for towing.
I tow an 18' Rpod camper with my JLU and it does great.
Considering the Jeep Wrangler looks like it's suspension can't handle the weight, I'd say the Gladiator is better due to the suspension not being over compressed. And better at dealing with bumps. Also all those emmission systems will make that diesel destroy itself faster then a traditional diesel, basically they didn't test these systems fully or did and went ahead anyways thinking people can just suffer with a vehicle that destroys itself in 150k miles.
These things are waaayyyyy too heavy. My full size V8 F-150 Supercab was 4,590 out of the box.
And will get left for dead offroad by a Gladiator Sport let alone a Rubicon. Whatever.
@@BrianFulmer Sure that totally matters when the matter of bloated ass vehicles comes up...
4:05 WOW! How unusual, an FCA product that kicks on a check engine light while towing uphill.
My boss is a huge jeep fan, he has a 2017 artic edition wrangler. Does the Gladiator or the Wrangler with diesel Stop in a safe distance? Its know that jeeps cant stop at all let alone with a trailer....