Brad, I know you don't have your diesel anymore but thought I would post my experiences for the others. I have a 2021 Wrangler JL Sport with the EcoDiesel engine with 32,600 miles on it. Mine is completely stock except I have Goodyear Wrangler Ultraterrain AT 265 70R17 tires. The are the same size as the original but beefier. I do have a roof rack which creates drag. I averaged 23.5 mpg for 2022 up to December 19th. That is for city, highway and off road driving of 18,969 miles. That includes 5,154 miles of pulling a 5X8 UHaul trailer that was pretty well loaded from Arizona to Virginia and back. I added 6 DEF 2.5 gallon containers this year. I have had ZERO problems with it except for the time I tried to POWER WASH a woodrat out from under the hood after camping in the White Mountains of Arizona. DON"T DO THAT!!!! (Power wash under the hood I mean). I had 17 codes that caused the engine to run rough at first and then barely run the next day as I was driving to the dealer for service. The dealer diagnosed the problem as a sensor in the DEF tank. That meant the DEF tank had to be replaced because the sensor was not separate from the tank. The dealer had the Wrangler for two weeks before coming up with that diagnosis. I asked if I could take it home while I waited for parts. They said yes but expect to have warning codes. I didn't have a single code during the several days I waited for parts but I had the tank replaced anyway. I haven't had any problems since. I love this Jeep. It sounds cool. It runs strong. I never slow down on hills. It keeps on trucking. I can put it in 4Low and 1st gear (Automatic Transmission but manual mode) and it climbs steep hills with hardly any throttle and virtually no tire spinning. I have had no D rating even though I live in Arizona and have been to Death Valley and Moab in the summer. I am not pulling a trailer(except that one trip) but many times have a fairly full roof rack because of too much gear in the Jeep when I go camping. I hope this information is helpful to your 515,000 subscribers and the others who surf your channel.
Yep, you see these boxes littering the side of the roads everywhere in west Tex oil fields. Boxes are too big to fit in a trash can so they get left beside the can or in the back of the truck to fly out. Nasty. At this point diesel is not worth it with all the emissions junk, many are switching to hd gas
DEF has been shown to be directly related to bee hive decimation. The bees can’t follow the scent trail back to the hive because the exhaust eradicates the trail
You don’t buy a Diesel to save money. You buy it for what it can do. I have the eco-diesel in my 2020 Willys and I love it. On the DEF i always just let it get past half and I add 2.5gal. At that point it will not spill over. I have been getting about 3,000 miles to 2.5gal. Great video, keep the videos and adventures coming…..
The noise of the diesel is the most intoxicating, addicting, and enjoyable engine note that I have ever experienced. I crave to drive my wrangler everyday because of it
I live in Hurricane country. There is one thing that I have always noticed, there was never a long line for fuel at the diesel pump. I remember people yelling at me that the end of the gas line is way back there to which I replied as I drove by “that’s why I drive a diesel!” Definitely a BIG PRO vs con.
Regarding DEF, on my Ram I add a jug when it gets below 1/2 tank. Never anxiety about running out and never overflow. Also I never buy the DEF at the pump - it’s often contaminated and that will cause way more issues than the little bit of inconvenience. I buy the Super Tech DEF at Walmart - it’s about 1/2 the price and have never had an issue with it. All that said, I wish the pumps were more reliable. The containers are single use and that’s a lot of extra trash in the landfill.
It’s because the def crystallizes at the pump is exposed to air, that’s why the jugs have to be thrown away or sealed if not all used. Just imagine what hard crystals do in the engine
@@futurecollector PD Diesel on RUclips has a couple videos talking about his hot shot drivers having issues with it. I believe it because it’s not as controlled environment so water and stuff gets into the tanks. I’m sure it’s not all stations, but these DEF systems are so sensitive I’m not willing to risk it. I had my sensor go off once when I dumped a 5 gallon container in that had some crystals on the outside.
This is a great and informative video about the EcoDiesel. Thanks for this video. I absolutely love my 2020 Wrangler EcoDiesel. So I got mine March 14th of 2020, and I currently have 30,500 miles on it. It takes me to and from work daily. I've taken it to Moab UT, the San Juan mountains in Colorado, and even the Holy Cross trail. Most of these miles where on 38 Patagonia's, and those stock 3.73 gears handled wonderfully. I was nervous about going to 40's with those stock gears, and I decided to run 39 inch KM3's. Well, I'm here to tell you, after about 3k miles on the KM3's I'm no longer concerned about regearing. That torque handles the 39's just as well as the 38's! I think 40's will be the same. BTW I'm at 20.5 mpg average on my 39's.
I had a gladiator ecodiesel, i loved it compared to the gutless 3.6, i used 3 boxes of def in 10000 miles, short trips definitely you notice the regen cycles, would love to delete the emissions garbage. Volcanoes put out more emissions than all of the engines ever made in the history of the world! I am going to put a 12 valve cummins in a 90s suburban for my next adventure vehicle. peace
Yup, as well as astronomical repair costs when things go wrong. They just have too many gizmos and whackagadgets to go wrong, they aren’t your grandpa’s diesel.
Same goes for gas pumpers that leave their cars blocking diesel pumps or even better, drive past several gas only pumps and choose the only pump that has diesel!
@@happy2bnfla oh, that’s what I was implying. I think those of us with oil burners understand the pain and get in and get out ASAP. It tends to be the gassers that don’t realize that they’re squatting on valuable real estate. They see a station full of open pumps and don’t realize that they bellied up to one of the few with diesel, so they just hang out assuming we can use one of the other 14 open pumps.
Up until recently, I never gave it much thought (never owned a diesel). Then I started driving for FedEx and I realized the valuable real estate diesel vehicles need. I've had quite a few frustrating moments already.
Having owned the 1st gen eco diesel in a ram 1500, I loved everything about it and really loved the fuel mileage. Yes the initial shock of the first oil change was a wholly hell shock. But being your able to go twice the distance between oil changes, it isn’t to bad being able to go 9000 miles before changing the oil. Plus the oil still looks great at 9000 miles of use compared to engines of old at 5000 miles. Love your honesty of reviews, keeps me watching
Hey Brad, here's a tip for you! When you need DEF go to a TRUCK STOP! It's pretty much ALWAYS cheaper and just like a gas pump. You just fill the tank off the pump and move on. Great vid too!
Totally agree. I have had multiple diesels and have never purchased a box of def. I fill up at truck stops and the def is probably fresher than what’s in the box.
I am running a diesel JL as well & Love Love Love it... It is like a bulldozer... It crawls up anything with little or no effort. At the same time, that is my biggest complaint.... It is so crazy easy to crawl anything, it almost takes the fun out of wheelin, Rock, Trail makes no difference, It is effortless. Best Jeep I have ever owned...
Great review! I considered the diesel but ended up with the 4XE and I have no regrets. That 470-ft pounds of torque definitely outperforms my 2013 Wrangler. Just got back from Colorado and went over my usual backcountry passes and it performed better than I was expecting. Back home in Austin Texas, with the daily commute and driving around I rarely use gasoline so I'm going about a month per tank unless I'm going on a trip. So far so good and I would buy it again.
Brad, I want to thank you for all your videos! This specific video helped me to choose both the JT and the EcoDiesel! When I went to test drive the only EcoDiesel in a 50 mile radius, it happened to be a Rubicon... and was told there'd be at least a 3 month wait for a custom order. So, we bought her! I joke with my wife that it was her Valentine's present to me, because we got it on Feb 14th! I've noticed a HUGE difference in fuel economy between the cheaper fuel and top tier fuel. ($3.86/g vs $4.05/g) I was getting about 19mpg with the cheap stuff, and 24+ with top tier. Admittedly, I've put less than 1k miles on it, and none of that was highway. We bought it for 2 main uses: She'll be my daily driver, which includes running errands, picking up lumber, going to work, etc, and because these are all mostly short trips, I'll be taking long Sunday drives And she'll be towing our A-frame camper up from Florida to the mountains, a few times a year. Just... not necessarily during summer... I've had her for a couple weeks and absolutely love driving (and owning!) her! She's going to be the last truck I own, going to make her last another 20-30 years! So far, no regrets!
I have been lurking for years now and I just want to thank you for your vid’s. You are welcome in our camp any time You review of diesels hits my go button. All diesels for that matter. I really dislike them for all the reasons and some you don’t mention. The benefits by no means outweigh the liability. I am currently running a 2014 GMC Sierra 1500 SLT w/5.3. I had the cash for a HD and the sales staff said “Oh you need all that torque” . I have been off roading for my entire adult life. (45 years). Jeeps, Tacomas, Work trucks, quads, equipment, etc. I run what I run because it works. You have me excited about Jeeping again with your 392 projects keep up the good work
I know this video is a year old now but I just recently ran across your channel and have been pretty much binge watching your videos. First off, thank you for not saying "DEEZUL" like so many other people do... I don't know why but it drives me nuts. Second, thank you for all your well put together videos with excellent commentary, tips, and opinions on all aspects of overlannding, including this DIESEL review.
As a fellow JLU Diesel owner, this video helped a lot. I kind of figured oil changes for this jeep weren't going to be cheap. That's ok with me. The purpose of my diesel JLU is to travel and explore the world, and I will be putting it to the test.
I wish keep would offer just the 5.7 hemi. I don’t have any issues with the 392 except that you have to buy the top of the line trim to get it. I would prefer to see it as an option or at least the 5.7 as one. The 4xe is apparently amazing by the way. My neighbor has both that and a gladiator and says the 4xe is the best choice.
@@Photojeeper I've been saying that for years(about electrified vehicles in general)! That would make a vehicle like the 4xe Really appealing. Couple a fuel cell with super or ultracapacitors and that would be something to behold! ;)
Doc!! Former Marine here, I used to work at a Dodge dealer as a Service Tech. There's definitely drawbacks to having a diesel in modern times, including the DEF. However, saw alot of customers come in needing exhaust work done from problems with DEF. Be careful. The dealer always looks to see if your using Blue DEF, it's the worst DEF you can use! *I know everyone has strong opinions here, but I know you have the extended warranty* I learned that from a retired navy ordnance guy I worked with at the dealer. It will void your warranty. Love the jeep, and the channel! Hope to see you on the trails one day! Semper Fi Doc, happy belated Corpsman BDay!
Great review, B-man: As usual, honest and comprehensive. As a guy who's owned nothing but diesels (Ram Cummins) for thirty years -- and been there/done that with engine "upgrades" ("chips," exhaust, egr-delete, injectors, fuel-pumps, etc.) I'd counsel you to reconsider the Banks install. First thing that happens, as you know, is you become "your own warranty station." Regens happen WAY more frequently because you're burning more fuel; can't cheat the basic laws of thermodynamics. Don't buy the "more power AND better mileage" B.S. Turbos -- especially variable-geometry -- soot up much faster. Check out the price of a new turbo, for giggles. I've replaced a few. Your boost is waste-gated at about 30 psi, so you'll need to address that with further upgrades. Even before Covid, there's a serious shortage of diesel techs -- especially at Jeep dealerships -- so failed injectors (etc.) can leave you driving a rental for weeks. Diesel engine parts are back-ordered forever (see: Covid). The "upgrade the diesel for more fun" journey is a trip down Alice's rabbit hole, and there are more downsides than upsides. In summary: Don't do it. PS. CA is probably the most hostile state in the USA for emissions "mods." Consider local laws and penalties. Also, "enhanced" diesels (more torque) find the weakest link in drivelines VERY fast. They eat transmissions, torque-converters, input shafts, drive-shafts, etc. at inopportune times. As a guy who's installed a few billet input shafts (after the fact), plus R&R'd a few trannies, forget trailside bandaids. Trade that beautiful Jeep for the 392. :)
I live in South Africa and have 2.8 diesel jk. Love it! Diesel is very common in SA and the jk doesn’t need def. Has lots of torque and is good on fuel on 35s. Didn’t need to regear. Love it
C'mon, I can't be the only truck driver sub'd to this channel. Every truck driver on the planet has a pair of cheap leather gloves just inside the driver's door at the bottom of the seat... mostly for pumping fuel. To heck with those jugs. Find a station that has a def pump. Cost of ownership: Considering Jeeps & Tacos have the best resale value of any vehicles sold in the US, it's GOT TO be safe to assume the diesels will have even better resale bc they don't wear out like gas engines. Take a quick look at what people want for 10yr old Ford Super Dutys with 250k miles. That 'cost' of ownership is an investment. I'm sure Brad will trade that like he said in a few years. Hopefully he is really pleased at what they give him for it. The engineers that design diesels measure their life in gallons of fuel burned so the better mileage you get (or the easier you go on it - no long pulls up hills with weight), the longer it will last. Also, with the def, regens, and killer mileage there is no reason AT ALL to go less than 15k on oil changes on diesels with the new synthetic oils. Air & fuel filters are more important on diesels than on gas engines. Spend more on those. Lastly, that engine probably won't be completely broken in until 20-25k - watch, you'll get better mileage as it gets broken in.
I have a Pre-DEF Cummins Ram so maintenance cost is not bad. I spend more on upgrades than maintenance. Once the oil type for the Eco diesel becomes more common, the price will come down. 0w-20 used to be expensive but is common place for gasoline cars now. Hard to beat the torque and range of a diesel rig for sure. We need people to buy more diesels otherwise they will no longer be an option.
@@acmethunder 5:06 "Now the thing is, you typically will save about 20-40 cents per gallon, but it really depends on where you are." Also, there are plenty of analyses done on the internet showing that it takes a couple hundred thousand miles to start saving money on diesel because of fuel economy, depending on the vehicle.
Up until 2002, diesel used to be 25% cheaper per gal. Also farmers get it for half price. But the fuel is colored red and sold For agricultural use only
When I was in Denver in 2015 I saw Diesel less than 85 octane for the first time. I moved from Portland, OR and now in Honolulu diesel is a little more.
Lived in the Mid West for the first 26 years of my life. When I first got a diesel in 2004 (a little VW Jetta that got 45 MPG regularly), diesel absolutely cost less than gas. 2004 was the year we got a big spike in gas prices to around $2/gal, I remember all my co-workers and friends complaining about it then, diesel was more like $1.69 AND I was getting stellar fuel economy. Was pretty easy to shrug off! But yes, as demand for diesel grew AND the Ultra Low Sulfur diesel requirement for 2007 came down, it all changed. Diesel then became more expensive than gas in the region. I moved to California in 2010, I can say that the last few years while my friends and family 'back East' have seen upto a $1/gallon premium for diesel, it's been very cost-competitive on the West Coast. While California definitely has the highest fuel prices of the lower 48, for whatever reason, gas and diesel price is very close and has been for some time, where anywhere East of the Rockies, it's definitely been a different story. TrailRecon is based out of California... hence his comments on the fuel price being pretty close. It's actually kind of surprising California diesel is that cost-competitive, because California does have extra strict rules about the quality of fuel and minimum cetane level. I can definitely attest that on my older diesels, California diesel makes a little better power, cars just seem to run better on it, and they smoke less. It's really the only state in the nation I'd feel OK not using an additive to bump cetane up. Anywhere else, absolutely, use additive. The crap quality diesel elsewhere really needs the help. Although with how sensitive Bosch CP4 high pressure fuel pumps seem to be, I'd use an additive every tank for lubricity and dealing with any potential moisture. Those pumps are too fragile to not take lubricity seriously. Replacing an entire diesel fuel system is a LOT of money should one of those pumps grenade and shed metal everywhere...
Thanks for the review Brad. I ordered my JLUR Diesel on 6/1. Looked at the 392 but couldn't justify the added cost over the diesel and I would imagine not so great mpg. I just got home from a 6000 mile trip from NC to AZ, UT, CO and back. My 2018 JL with a 3.6 struggled over some of the mountain passes. I do have a gobi rack and rooftop tent so that turns the JL into a bigger aerodynamic brick. I'm looking for the torque and I am a diesel guy.
Hey i don’t know if your close to any but most truck stops have DEF on pump. And it is usually cheaper that way too. Makes it a lot easier and cleaner.
Thanks Brad, really enjoy this portion of your experience with Diesel-powered Wranglers, Very informative, no sugarcoating, just telling it like it is.
$4500 upcharge, $250 oil changes, ~$15 every 2500 miles. Ill take the Pentastar with a regear any day. Not to mention when it inevitably has a crucial emissions related component bite the dust. I just couldn't see myself having one over warranty.
You talked about diesel being higher than gas here in Missouri. I live in Missouri and its no different than any where else I've traveled. I've been up north all the way down south, and gas is always cheaper then diesel.
Thanks for this review and all this info!!! I've been waiting for the 6th gen 4runner for YEARS and ended up with an Outback, lifted it with a 2" spacer lift and I'm around 24 city now with the 3.6. I've been seriously considering the ecodiesel and this is awesome! I've never owned a diesel so this info is great.
With the horrible approach departure angles Outback has, even with 2" lift, it can't go where a stock base Wrangler can. One of my cars as ML250 diesel which returns low 30s mpg on a highway, I can go more than 700 miles between fillups; thinking of picking up one of last of '23 diesel Wranglers.
DEF hack, you can fuel up your DEF tank at any truck stop for roughly $4.00 per gal. An additional benefit of doing this; Brad mentioned shelf life and is absolutely right. You want to screw up your system, toss some ol def in there. Truck stops, the def is being used daily and is constantly “stirred up” and added to so it’s almost always fresh.
My wife owns a 4xE… its a Mall Crawler… she averages about 35 MPG right now with the Level 1 charger. She is buying the Level 2 which will allow her to get a much faster charge so her MPG should go up. I love my 2012 JKU 6 speed… We are a Jeep family.
Just watching this now, but I have a 2021 Rubicon Ecodiesel since new. almost 15k miles. Running 35s and a 2" Mopar/FOX lift. Bank's Derringer tuner. Not a single problem with the Jeep or any parts. Love the torque!
Glad to see ya went with the Derringer, Gale Banks is the GOAT when it comes to the diesel market and his products are top notch. 57hp and 73 ft-lbs of torque and doesn't void the warranty whatsoever !!! I think you will pleasantly surprised Doc !!!!
@@santacruzoverlander it doesn't leave a signature in the factory ECU, since it is just tricking the computer via intercepted fuel rail pressure and intake manifold pressure signals. Therefore, if you remove the Derringer before bringing it to the dealer, they would have no idea it was ever there. I definitely don't recommend leaving it installed when taking it to the dealer.
Good video I love diesels I've got a VW diesel with over half a million miles on it still runs perfect 60 MPG on the highway another nice thing about diesel is it is not explosive like gasoline so you can always carry a couple of cans in the back no problem you never run out
A year ago I was in the market for a vehicle that I could park easier than my lifted '16 Ram 1500 Quadcab 4wd Ecodiesel. My wife has an '18 Ram 2500 Crewcab 4wd Cummins. We love our diesels for all the reasons Brad likes the Wrangler with the Ecodiesel. The problem was my local dealer did not have a configuration that interested me on the lot. So I settled on a Dodge Durango GT AWD with the Tow-N-Go package. With the 3.6L, I get 22 -34mpg, depending on the weather, the road, and the velocity traveled. I figured that once the Durango was paid for. I would find a Ecodiesel Wrangler. But I agree that the 4xe just complicates the plan. If they made an Ecodiesel Power Wagon. My Ram 1500 Ecodiesel would be replaced in a heartbeat.
Trailrecon ,Bank programmer are good and they are California emissions compliance certified, have few of their programmers on my Jeep for 5 years and no check engine light problem, I had other major big brand and they always caused the check engine light to come once awhile.
Brad, the DEF adds $.05 to the gallon and the oil change is 4 more qts than a 3.6 ( all approx) and the fuel consumption is 10 mpg better. The added cost for the engine pays for itself pretty quickly. I have one in a 2021 JLU Sport and its very stripped. Hard to find.
If you go to truck stops they have DEF and Diesel at one pump. You don’t even have to pull up to another pump. Fun fact. Plus there is the high capacity flow for the diesel pumps. Which is really nice.
You should get an electric feul pump for the def tank it'll stop once it's full and its battery powered so you don't have to worry about plugging it in
I've had my 2021 wrangler Willys ecodiesel for about a month now and just shy of 4k miles and zero issues, mpg is insane(30 mpg flat ground at 70mph) averages 27-28 mpg for my commute which is pretty hilly, loving every day with it and taking on some trails this weekend.
LOL. "Step on the Gas..." is a term for gasoline engines. In Diesel Speak it's called, "Stepping on the fuel...: or Fuel Mileage vs Gas Mileage. It takes a while to overcome those terms. The diesel world loves this vehicle and your video was excellent. Thank you. Two thumbs up.
Hi Brad, from Malaysia here. All our 4x4 Trucks here are diesel, the hiluxs, Mitsubishi Triton, Isuzu Dmax etc. Our diesel here is cheaper then gas. Also we are already using the Euro 5 diesel which is much cleaner.
One good thing I recently noticed about diesel is that during the recent fuel shortages every station had diesel and half of those were out of gasoline.
I bought an Eco-Diesel Gladiator Rubi in March and I just love it. Mine is on 37's and a 5.5" lift, the nearly instant torque right off idle when running trails is a game changer. I don't need a regear currently, but will be moving up to40s next spring. It's a mixed purpose rig, and I agree with Brad that it's Rocklanding, sort of a mix of rock crawling and remote/desolate camping with my wife and kids. We are in NorCal near the Rubicon Trail and Fordyce, each being less than 40mins from my front door. Shortly after buying it, we ran Death Valley and never saw a paved road for 6 days and 200miles. My last Jeep was a TJ and the Gladiator/JT felt a bit big at first, but we've adapted.
Ok, all your dislikes of diesel are the same as mine. I ordered my 392 2 weeks ago when I saw the power curve in a few videos. This will truly be epic!!!!
There is a company in Canada that makes a DEF removal kit. They reflash your computer and give you the kit to move and eliminate that problem. Only problem is your truck is down for about 2 weeks while you send them your computer they reflash it and they send it back. Still runs just as clean. A must if you live in a state without emissions and inspections
I was thinking the 392 was diesel. Goes to show my ignorance of Jeep, which is one of the reasons I'm watching your videos, to educate myself before I go out and buy one. The only thing I know for sure is that I want the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon; my present vehicle and probably my last couple of vehicles have been automatics, but I drove a standard from the time I was in my teens, like 14 and 15, and I have always leaned toward driving a standard, and I drove a big truck for 8 years, and I've been in different types of gear set ups, and I think I may be leaning toward a standard. Because I do want to go off road with it! Thanks for the review. I'm not sure I want the diesel but the 392 sounds appealing. If you can, I would like to hear more on the 392 for specs and how it handles on the highway and on some of the tougher trails! Thanks for all the reviews you do, Brad. they are really helping me to get more educated on upgrades and accessories! I watched your video on Expo West in Flagg Staff; lots of great content! Thanks for sharing your opinion and knowledge!
You could get Amazon brand euro 5w-40 which is api sn certified which is equivalent to ms12991 29.99 for 6 quarts and you can save a few bucks with an ecoguard s11880 oil filter so you can be under a 100 bucks for an oil change
Brad, Interesting here in the UK every fuel staton always has a diesel on each pump some times a diesel only pump but always slightly more expensive that petrol. We dont have that def tank not come across that before, just fill up and go. Drive a 3ltr Nissan Patrol also takes 9 ltrs oil which about £95 or 130$ Love the channel.
You can burn Kerosene or Jet fuel. DEF can be found everywhere. (Walmart, target, any autoparts store) As far as the oil... just run Rotella, and call it a day. We have had this discussion a lot since the EcoDieel came out... and that's what all the RAM guys have done.
Great review, I was seriously considering the diesel but now I'm not so sure. Maybe the less expensive turbo 4 which has more torque than the V6 and has lower overall maintenance cost is the better option for me. Also, there are 49 state legal tunes that add more torque and power if needed. Thanks for this info.
Great insights as always Brad, thanks for taking the time to share, this is very helpful in giving me confidence that the premium I paid for my 392 may be worth it, time will inevitably have to tell with respect to my particular experience and use case. I’m already thinking of swapping out the dual mode exhaust for an auxiliary fuel tank.
I'm still waiting for my 392 to deliver and I believe it will be worth the wait. I almost went with the Pentastar V6 but I really needed a V8 for pulling my Off Grid trailer over those mountain passes. I wasn't thrilled about the dual exhaust system because I think it's a gimmick prone to fail, but a buyer has no choice. I didn't know you could take it off and stay legal.
I've heard that it's questionable (variable) quality outta the trucker pumps. Not saying that's a fact...think that came from Andre or Mr. Truck off TFL where I picked that up
You know what’s funny is I stopped at a gas station in rio vista ca and the def out of the pump was $6 a gal. I went inside and bought 2 2.5 gallon jugs for $5 a gallon.
07 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 3.0. Bought it new now has 170K 95% trouble free miles. Oil changes break the bank but no def for my motor so I save a few $ Lifted on 33's and still gets 28mpg all day Biggest complaint I have had since day 1 is the dirty fuel pump handles and winter mornings waiting for the motor to warm up so I can use the heat.
Basically, you get the diesel for the extra power and distance, but not at a cost savings. Most places nowadays charge quite a bit more for diesel than gas.
I have Jeep Diesel Gladiator Rubicon and it's great. I have the Banks power tuner and the Banks "Pedal Monster" which takes care of "turbo lag" and with 42" tires on mine it works great. I have an AFE cold air induction kit I'm putting on in next few days. Also thinking about Water Methanol kit which will further increase HP and Torque and even MPG. I have 5.13 gears and I get around 17-18mpg on highway now. If I ever have a problem getting def fluid or run out of warranty the Re-gen DPF SYSTEM WILL BE STRIPPED OFF AND THEN I WILL TELL YOU THE RESULTS AFTER THAT.
Awesome Video Brad!!! We are loving are eco diesel too... Can't wait to put some more miles on her. Thanks for making the review because you answered some of our questions.
Thanks for a great review. I am debating on a brand new 2023 diesel wrangler. They are $8,000 off sticker. I don't drive a lot though. I've had my current vehicle 22 months and it only has 6,800 miles on it.
As a truck driver I want to let you know the attendant doesn’t do a poor job on diesel. Diesel fuel has oil in it, so as vapors escape while you’re fueling it gets all over the nozzle, that’s why all truckers wear gloves when we fuel up, then when you get back in the cab, hand sanitizer for the smell and residue.
Fantastic and honest review Brad. I'm quite pleased with my diesel Gladiator Rubicon running on 37's. I think it's the best engine Jeep ever put in a Jeep for jeeping around, remember it's a tool. Zero issues so far. The 6.4 is cool but it's just axles waiting to break with the Dana 44's and bigger tires, If you want to go fast get a Z06, I've had 3. Pennzoil bottles the Mopar oil (they have no refineries), it's $7 a quart or $56 for 9 quarts plus $47 for the filter, so it's $103 for the oil change, from Amazon. Happy father's Day Amigo, You got some fine boy's, I'm sure your proud.
As a Canadian I do not understand the absence of diesel anywhere. I have owned 3 diesels in my time, lived rural and urban and have never had an issue finding diesel. Always readily available in Canada even in the north.
Bought my diesel wrangler March 2020. Oil changes free at the dealerships in Colorado. Diesel less expensive than gas currently. Also have never been to a station that does not have diesel. Must be a Cali thing. Anyhow loving my diesel as well. Cheers!
I am a diesel guy for a long time. Glad to hear no issues. I think a big factor is not having to re-gear and axle swap over having the V6. Torque and fuel are my main factor. I will be getting one after your review.
When I was calculating for a gladiator diesel vs a 3.6 with my driving and estimated mpg it would take 239 years to make back my money on the diesel in fuel economy. That also didn’t include any of the added maintenance costs lol. Definitely not for mpg but I’d still pick the diesel.
Truck stations have def at the big rig pumps. It is normally cheaper and fresher than the box. Also it helps to carry rubber gloves for the diesel pumps.
Owned my 2021 diesel JT for 6 months now, and I'd say I got very lucky with my purchase. Being part of the jeep wave program, I get 3 free oil/filter changes which is like saving $600+. I only had to add DEF once at 4k miles but I'm already at 8k now and only used 1/4 of the DEF tank so I think that'll get better over time.
Brad, I know you don't have your diesel anymore but thought I would post my experiences for the others. I have a 2021 Wrangler JL Sport with the EcoDiesel engine with 32,600 miles on it. Mine is completely stock except I have Goodyear Wrangler Ultraterrain AT 265 70R17 tires. The are the same size as the original but beefier. I do have a roof rack which creates drag. I averaged 23.5 mpg for 2022 up to December 19th. That is for city, highway and off road driving of 18,969 miles. That includes 5,154 miles of pulling a 5X8 UHaul trailer that was pretty well loaded from Arizona to Virginia and back. I added 6 DEF 2.5 gallon containers this year.
I have had ZERO problems with it except for the time I tried to POWER WASH a woodrat out from under the hood after camping in the White Mountains of Arizona. DON"T DO THAT!!!! (Power wash under the hood I mean). I had 17 codes that caused the engine to run rough at first and then barely run the next day as I was driving to the dealer for service. The dealer diagnosed the problem as a sensor in the DEF tank. That meant the DEF tank had to be replaced because the sensor was not separate from the tank. The dealer had the Wrangler for two weeks before coming up with that diagnosis. I asked if I could take it home while I waited for parts. They said yes but expect to have warning codes. I didn't have a single code during the several days I waited for parts but I had the tank replaced anyway. I haven't had any problems since.
I love this Jeep. It sounds cool. It runs strong. I never slow down on hills. It keeps on trucking. I can put it in 4Low and 1st gear (Automatic Transmission but manual mode) and it climbs steep hills with hardly any throttle and virtually no tire spinning. I have had no D rating even though I live in Arizona and have been to Death Valley and Moab in the summer. I am not pulling a trailer(except that one trip) but many times have a fairly full roof rack because of too much gear in the Jeep when I go camping.
I hope this information is helpful to your 515,000 subscribers and the others who surf your channel.
DEF: Saving the environment one plastic container at a time.
Yep, you see these boxes littering the side of the roads everywhere in west Tex oil fields. Boxes are too big to fit in a trash can so they get left beside the can or in the back of the truck to fly out. Nasty. At this point diesel is not worth it with all the emissions junk, many are switching to hd gas
DEF has been shown to be directly related to bee hive decimation. The bees can’t follow the scent trail back to the hive because the exhaust eradicates the trail
@@moparmaga Give me that new 7.3 gasser over a 6.7 any day!
@@mattbarrett41 no way! I’m gonna have to look that up.
The whole def and dpf regulations are moronic.
What I hate about DEF is that if there is a little overspill it leaves a white residue. Only new gas stations seem to have def at the pump.
You don’t buy a Diesel to save money. You buy it for what it can do. I have the eco-diesel in my 2020 Willys and I love it. On the DEF i always just let it get past half and I add 2.5gal. At that point it will not spill over. I have been getting about 3,000 miles to 2.5gal. Great video, keep the videos and adventures coming…..
The noise of the diesel is the most intoxicating, addicting, and enjoyable engine note that I have ever experienced. I crave to drive my wrangler everyday because of it
Noise? I swear mine is a good deal more quiet than my old 2012.
it sounds like a tractor, and i love it for that.
I live in Hurricane country. There is one thing that I have always noticed, there was never a long line for fuel at the diesel pump. I remember people yelling at me that the end of the gas line is way back there to which I replied as I drove by “that’s why I drive a diesel!” Definitely a BIG PRO vs con.
Yes for that once in a life time need...
Fuel storage is another pro. It's a lot more practical to store a large quantity of diesel vs gasoline
Regarding DEF, on my Ram I add a jug when it gets below 1/2 tank. Never anxiety about running out and never overflow. Also I never buy the DEF at the pump - it’s often contaminated and that will cause way more issues than the little bit of inconvenience. I buy the Super Tech DEF at Walmart - it’s about 1/2 the price and have never had an issue with it. All that said, I wish the pumps were more reliable. The containers are single use and that’s a lot of extra trash in the landfill.
this is the way
Why do you say its contaminated at the pump?
It’s because the def crystallizes at the pump is exposed to air, that’s why the jugs have to be thrown away or sealed if not all used. Just imagine what hard crystals do in the engine
@@troyheffernan1261 mines a manual, so no.
@@futurecollector PD Diesel on RUclips has a couple videos talking about his hot shot drivers having issues with it. I believe it because it’s not as controlled environment so water and stuff gets into the tanks. I’m sure it’s not all stations, but these DEF systems are so sensitive I’m not willing to risk it. I had my sensor go off once when I dumped a 5 gallon container in that had some crystals on the outside.
This is a great and informative video about the EcoDiesel. Thanks for this video. I absolutely love my 2020 Wrangler EcoDiesel. So I got mine March 14th of 2020, and I currently have 30,500 miles on it. It takes me to and from work daily. I've taken it to Moab UT, the San Juan mountains in Colorado, and even the Holy Cross trail. Most of these miles where on 38 Patagonia's, and those stock 3.73 gears handled wonderfully. I was nervous about going to 40's with those stock gears, and I decided to run 39 inch KM3's. Well, I'm here to tell you, after about 3k miles on the KM3's I'm no longer concerned about regearing. That torque handles the 39's just as well as the 38's! I think 40's will be the same. BTW I'm at 20.5 mpg average on my 39's.
Excellent information
I had a gladiator ecodiesel, i loved it compared to the gutless 3.6, i used 3 boxes of def in 10000 miles, short trips definitely you notice the regen cycles, would love to delete the emissions garbage. Volcanoes put out more emissions than all of the engines ever made in the history of the world! I am going to put a 12 valve cummins in a 90s suburban for my next adventure vehicle. peace
Get your DEF at a truck stop. Easier and convenient. Save a jug or two and refill those at the truck stop too.
DEF is what keeps me from wanting to ever buy a newer diesel vehicle.
Yup, as well as astronomical repair costs when things go wrong. They just have too many gizmos and whackagadgets to go wrong, they aren’t your grandpa’s diesel.
DEF isn’t really an issue, just go to any truck stop / gas station (TA, etc.)
It's not that big of a deal. It's every 5,000 miles
Is changing your oil a issue too?? DEF is every 5k miles, like 20 bucks at advance auto. No issues whatsoever
@@MorrisOutdoors98 I have a def pump at the station too
Diesel Pump PSA: Do not leave your vehicle sitting at a diesel pump. Don’t be lazy. Park your dang car! 😆
Same goes for gas pumpers that leave their cars blocking diesel pumps or even better, drive past several gas only pumps and choose the only pump that has diesel!
@@happy2bnfla oh, that’s what I was implying. I think those of us with oil burners understand the pain and get in and get out ASAP. It tends to be the gassers that don’t realize that they’re squatting on valuable real estate. They see a station full of open pumps and don’t realize that they bellied up to one of the few with diesel, so they just hang out assuming we can use one of the other 14 open pumps.
Spoken like a true democrat!
@@AmericanSurvival001 ummm… what?
Up until recently, I never gave it much thought (never owned a diesel). Then I started driving for FedEx and I realized the valuable real estate diesel vehicles need. I've had quite a few frustrating moments already.
Having owned the 1st gen eco diesel in a ram 1500, I loved everything about it and really loved the fuel mileage. Yes the initial shock of the first oil change was a wholly hell shock. But being your able to go twice the distance between oil changes, it isn’t to bad being able to go 9000 miles before changing the oil. Plus the oil still looks great at 9000 miles of use compared to engines of old at 5000 miles. Love your honesty of reviews, keeps me watching
Hey Brad, here's a tip for you! When you need DEF go to a TRUCK STOP! It's pretty much ALWAYS cheaper and just like a gas pump. You just fill the tank off the pump and move on. Great vid too!
Totally agree. I have had multiple diesels and have never purchased a box of def. I fill up at truck stops and the def is probably fresher than what’s in the box.
I am running a diesel JL as well & Love Love Love it... It is like a bulldozer... It crawls up anything with little or no effort. At the same time, that is my biggest complaint.... It is so crazy easy to crawl anything, it almost takes the fun out of wheelin, Rock, Trail makes no difference, It is effortless.
Best Jeep I have ever owned...
Great review! I considered the diesel but ended up with the 4XE and I have no regrets. That 470-ft pounds of torque definitely outperforms my 2013 Wrangler. Just got back from Colorado and went over my usual backcountry passes and it performed better than I was expecting. Back home in Austin Texas, with the daily commute and driving around I rarely use gasoline so I'm going about a month per tank unless I'm going on a trip. So far so good and I would buy it again.
Brad, I want to thank you for all your videos! This specific video helped me to choose both the JT and the EcoDiesel! When I went to test drive the only EcoDiesel in a 50 mile radius, it happened to be a Rubicon... and was told there'd be at least a 3 month wait for a custom order. So, we bought her! I joke with my wife that it was her Valentine's present to me, because we got it on Feb 14th!
I've noticed a HUGE difference in fuel economy between the cheaper fuel and top tier fuel. ($3.86/g vs $4.05/g) I was getting about 19mpg with the cheap stuff, and 24+ with top tier. Admittedly, I've put less than 1k miles on it, and none of that was highway.
We bought it for 2 main uses:
She'll be my daily driver, which includes running errands, picking up lumber, going to work, etc, and because these are all mostly short trips, I'll be taking long Sunday drives
And she'll be towing our A-frame camper up from Florida to the mountains, a few times a year. Just... not necessarily during summer...
I've had her for a couple weeks and absolutely love driving (and owning!) her! She's going to be the last truck I own, going to make her last another 20-30 years! So far, no regrets!
I have been lurking for years now and I just want to thank you for your vid’s. You are welcome in our camp any time
You review of diesels hits my go button. All diesels for that matter. I really dislike them for all the reasons and some you don’t mention. The benefits by no means outweigh the liability. I am currently running a 2014 GMC Sierra 1500 SLT w/5.3. I had the cash for a HD and the sales staff said “Oh you need all that torque” . I have been off roading for my entire adult life. (45 years). Jeeps, Tacomas, Work trucks, quads, equipment, etc. I run what I run because it works.
You have me excited about Jeeping again with your 392 projects keep up the good work
I know this video is a year old now but I just recently ran across your channel and have been pretty much binge watching your videos.
First off, thank you for not saying "DEEZUL" like so many other people do... I don't know why but it drives me nuts.
Second, thank you for all your well put together videos with excellent commentary, tips, and opinions on all aspects of overlannding, including this DIESEL review.
As a fellow JLU Diesel owner, this video helped a lot. I kind of figured oil changes for this jeep weren't going to be cheap. That's ok with me. The purpose of my diesel JLU is to travel and explore the world, and I will be putting it to the test.
How's it going with the Ecodiesel?
@@KJsProjectsThey're great
I wish keep would offer just the 5.7 hemi. I don’t have any issues with the 392 except that you have to buy the top of the line trim to get it. I would prefer to see it as an option or at least the 5.7 as one. The 4xe is apparently amazing by the way. My neighbor has both that and a gladiator and says the 4xe is the best choice.
Totally agree
I have a 4xe Rubicon on order, can’t wait to get it and see how it exceeds my current 3.6L.
Agree.
@@ChrisStack22 love it driven it several times you will enjoy it. Very refined and polished.
@@Photojeeper I've been saying that for years(about electrified vehicles in general)! That would make a vehicle like the 4xe Really appealing. Couple a fuel cell with super or ultracapacitors and that would be something to behold! ;)
My buddy did a diesel swap in his xj. Unbelievable difference especially with long arms as well
Cummins 2.8?
Which engine I have an xj that sounds dope
Every time I need a solid review to help with some decision making I always land on TrailRecon video and it helps every damn time. Thank you!
Doc!! Former Marine here, I used to work at a Dodge dealer as a Service Tech. There's definitely drawbacks to having a diesel in modern times, including the DEF.
However, saw alot of customers come in needing exhaust work done from problems with DEF. Be careful. The dealer always looks to see if your using Blue DEF, it's the worst DEF you can use! *I know everyone has strong opinions here, but I know you have the extended warranty* I learned that from a retired navy ordnance guy I worked with at the dealer. It will void your warranty.
Love the jeep, and the channel! Hope to see you on the trails one day! Semper Fi Doc, happy belated Corpsman BDay!
@@eugeneenslow8563 dealer has it. Costs a little extra. But worth it. The repairs to the DEF system cost a lot without warranty.
Great review, B-man: As usual, honest and comprehensive. As a guy who's owned nothing but diesels (Ram Cummins) for thirty years -- and been there/done that with engine "upgrades" ("chips," exhaust, egr-delete, injectors, fuel-pumps, etc.) I'd counsel you to reconsider the Banks install. First thing that happens, as you know, is you become "your own warranty station." Regens happen WAY more frequently because you're burning more fuel; can't cheat the basic laws of thermodynamics. Don't buy the "more power AND better mileage" B.S. Turbos -- especially variable-geometry -- soot up much faster. Check out the price of a new turbo, for giggles. I've replaced a few. Your boost is waste-gated at about 30 psi, so you'll need to address that with further upgrades. Even before Covid, there's a serious shortage of diesel techs -- especially at Jeep dealerships -- so failed injectors (etc.) can leave you driving a rental for weeks. Diesel engine parts are back-ordered forever (see: Covid). The "upgrade the diesel for more fun" journey is a trip down Alice's rabbit hole, and there are more downsides than upsides. In summary: Don't do it.
PS. CA is probably the most hostile state in the USA for emissions "mods." Consider local laws and penalties. Also, "enhanced" diesels (more torque) find the weakest link in drivelines VERY fast. They eat transmissions, torque-converters, input shafts, drive-shafts, etc. at inopportune times. As a guy who's installed a few billet input shafts (after the fact), plus R&R'd a few trannies, forget trailside bandaids. Trade that beautiful Jeep for the 392. :)
I live in South Africa and have 2.8 diesel jk. Love it! Diesel is very common in SA and the jk doesn’t need def. Has lots of torque and is good on fuel on 35s. Didn’t need to regear. Love it
Is this the same 2.8 that was on the diesel liberty?
I think so.
I have a ecodiesel gladiator with the Mopar lift with 37s and loving this thing.
C'mon, I can't be the only truck driver sub'd to this channel. Every truck driver on the planet has a pair of cheap leather gloves just inside the driver's door at the bottom of the seat... mostly for pumping fuel. To heck with those jugs. Find a station that has a def pump.
Cost of ownership: Considering Jeeps & Tacos have the best resale value of any vehicles sold in the US, it's GOT TO be safe to assume the diesels will have even better resale bc they don't wear out like gas engines. Take a quick look at what people want for 10yr old Ford Super Dutys with 250k miles. That 'cost' of ownership is an investment. I'm sure Brad will trade that like he said in a few years. Hopefully he is really pleased at what they give him for it. The engineers that design diesels measure their life in gallons of fuel burned so the better mileage you get (or the easier you go on it - no long pulls up hills with weight), the longer it will last. Also, with the def, regens, and killer mileage there is no reason AT ALL to go less than 15k on oil changes on diesels with the new synthetic oils. Air & fuel filters are more important on diesels than on gas engines. Spend more on those. Lastly, that engine probably won't be completely broken in until 20-25k - watch, you'll get better mileage as it gets broken in.
diesel is not only a great fuel economy and great torque,. it is also a great engine life span and great off-road capabilities.
I have a Pre-DEF Cummins Ram so maintenance cost is not bad. I spend more on upgrades than maintenance. Once the oil type for the Eco diesel becomes more common, the price will come down. 0w-20 used to be expensive but is common place for gasoline cars now. Hard to beat the torque and range of a diesel rig for sure.
We need people to buy more diesels otherwise they will no longer be an option.
I've lived in the northeast/midwest my whole life and I've never seen diesel cheaper than gas
It is since you get more mileage out it.
@@acmethunder 5:06 "Now the thing is, you typically will save about 20-40 cents per gallon, but it really depends on where you are."
Also, there are plenty of analyses done on the internet showing that it takes a couple hundred thousand miles to start saving money on diesel because of fuel economy, depending on the vehicle.
Up until 2002, diesel used to be 25% cheaper per gal.
Also farmers get it for half price. But the fuel is colored red and sold For agricultural use only
When I was in Denver in 2015 I saw Diesel less than 85 octane for the first time. I moved from Portland, OR and now in Honolulu diesel is a little more.
Lived in the Mid West for the first 26 years of my life. When I first got a diesel in 2004 (a little VW Jetta that got 45 MPG regularly), diesel absolutely cost less than gas. 2004 was the year we got a big spike in gas prices to around $2/gal, I remember all my co-workers and friends complaining about it then, diesel was more like $1.69 AND I was getting stellar fuel economy. Was pretty easy to shrug off!
But yes, as demand for diesel grew AND the Ultra Low Sulfur diesel requirement for 2007 came down, it all changed. Diesel then became more expensive than gas in the region.
I moved to California in 2010, I can say that the last few years while my friends and family 'back East' have seen upto a $1/gallon premium for diesel, it's been very cost-competitive on the West Coast. While California definitely has the highest fuel prices of the lower 48, for whatever reason, gas and diesel price is very close and has been for some time, where anywhere East of the Rockies, it's definitely been a different story.
TrailRecon is based out of California... hence his comments on the fuel price being pretty close.
It's actually kind of surprising California diesel is that cost-competitive, because California does have extra strict rules about the quality of fuel and minimum cetane level. I can definitely attest that on my older diesels, California diesel makes a little better power, cars just seem to run better on it, and they smoke less. It's really the only state in the nation I'd feel OK not using an additive to bump cetane up. Anywhere else, absolutely, use additive. The crap quality diesel elsewhere really needs the help.
Although with how sensitive Bosch CP4 high pressure fuel pumps seem to be, I'd use an additive every tank for lubricity and dealing with any potential moisture. Those pumps are too fragile to not take lubricity seriously. Replacing an entire diesel fuel system is a LOT of money should one of those pumps grenade and shed metal everywhere...
Just saw Marcos 392!! It’s exactly like the one I ordered!!
Thanks for the review Brad. I ordered my JLUR Diesel on 6/1. Looked at the 392 but couldn't justify the added cost over the diesel and I would imagine not so great mpg. I just got home from a 6000 mile trip from NC to AZ, UT, CO and back. My 2018 JL with a 3.6 struggled over some of the mountain passes. I do have a gobi rack and rooftop tent so that turns the JL into a bigger aerodynamic brick. I'm looking for the torque and I am a diesel guy.
Hey i don’t know if your close to any but most truck stops have DEF on pump. And it is usually cheaper that way too. Makes it a lot easier and cleaner.
You don't buy diesel to save money but to enjoy that torque!
Thanks Brad, really enjoy this portion of your experience with Diesel-powered Wranglers, Very informative, no sugarcoating, just telling it like it is.
$4500 upcharge, $250 oil changes, ~$15 every 2500 miles. Ill take the Pentastar with a regear any day. Not to mention when it inevitably has a crucial emissions related component bite the dust. I just couldn't see myself having one over warranty.
You talked about diesel being higher than gas here in Missouri. I live in Missouri and its no different than any where else I've traveled. I've been up north all the way down south, and gas is always cheaper then diesel.
Here in Alabama, diesel was always cheaper until a few years ago, but for the last year diesel has been the same price as 87 octane.
That’s why I wear gloves to fill up my diesel car. Just my old work gloves.
Thanks for this review and all this info!!! I've been waiting for the 6th gen 4runner for YEARS and ended up with an Outback, lifted it with a 2" spacer lift and I'm around 24 city now with the 3.6. I've been seriously considering the ecodiesel and this is awesome! I've never owned a diesel so this info is great.
With the horrible approach departure angles Outback has, even with 2" lift, it can't go where a stock base Wrangler can. One of my cars as ML250 diesel which returns low 30s mpg on a highway, I can go more than 700 miles between fillups; thinking of picking up one of last of '23 diesel Wranglers.
Thank you. I have been looking forward to this video! Happy Father’s Day.
You are so welcome!
Hold up! Marco got a 392?! Ima need a video!
DEF hack, you can fuel up your DEF tank at any truck stop for roughly $4.00 per gal. An additional benefit of doing this; Brad mentioned shelf life and is absolutely right. You want to screw up your system, toss some ol def in there. Truck stops, the def is being used daily and is constantly “stirred up” and added to so it’s almost always fresh.
My wife owns a 4xE… its a Mall Crawler… she averages about 35 MPG right now with the Level 1 charger. She is buying the Level 2 which will allow her to get a much faster charge so her MPG should go up. I love my 2012 JKU 6 speed… We are a Jeep family.
Just watching this now, but I have a 2021 Rubicon Ecodiesel since new. almost 15k miles. Running 35s and a 2" Mopar/FOX lift. Bank's Derringer tuner. Not a single problem with the Jeep or any parts. Love the torque!
Glad to see ya went with the Derringer, Gale Banks is the GOAT when it comes to the diesel market and his products are top notch. 57hp and 73 ft-lbs of torque and doesn't void the warranty whatsoever !!! I think you will pleasantly surprised Doc !!!!
It doesn't void warrantee?
Looking forward to getting it wired up, should be pretty easy.
@@TrailRecon From what I have seen it is just a one of the sensors is a PITA to get too !
@@santacruzoverlander it doesn't leave a signature in the factory ECU, since it is just tricking the computer via intercepted fuel rail pressure and intake manifold pressure signals. Therefore, if you remove the Derringer before bringing it to the dealer, they would have no idea it was ever there.
I definitely don't recommend leaving it installed when taking it to the dealer.
Good video I love diesels I've got a VW diesel with over half a million miles on it still runs perfect 60 MPG on the highway another nice thing about diesel is it is not explosive like gasoline so you can always carry a couple of cans in the back no problem you never run out
Fantastic information! Many people overlook the maintenance cost and this adds up quick. Thank you for this information!
Banks is a very good name in Diesel tuning and they do clean tunes. You’ll like the tune plus you might get increased MPG’s.
A year ago I was in the market for a vehicle that I could park easier than my lifted '16 Ram 1500 Quadcab 4wd Ecodiesel. My wife has an '18 Ram 2500 Crewcab 4wd Cummins. We love our diesels for all the reasons Brad likes the Wrangler with the Ecodiesel. The problem was my local dealer did not have a configuration that interested me on the lot. So I settled on a Dodge Durango GT AWD with the Tow-N-Go package. With the 3.6L, I get 22 -34mpg, depending on the weather, the road, and the velocity traveled. I figured that once the Durango was paid for. I would find a Ecodiesel Wrangler. But I agree that the 4xe just complicates the plan.
If they made an Ecodiesel Power Wagon. My Ram 1500 Ecodiesel would be replaced in a heartbeat.
Trailrecon ,Bank programmer are good and they are California emissions compliance certified, have few of their programmers on my Jeep for 5 years and no check engine light problem, I had other major big brand and they always caused the check engine light to come once awhile.
Brad, the DEF adds $.05 to the gallon and the oil change is 4 more qts than a 3.6 ( all approx) and the fuel consumption is 10 mpg better. The added cost for the engine pays for itself pretty quickly. I have one in a 2021 JLU Sport and its very stripped. Hard to find.
If you go to truck stops they have DEF and Diesel at one pump. You don’t even have to pull up to another pump. Fun fact. Plus there is the high capacity flow for the diesel pumps. Which is really nice.
Ive been waiting for this!!
Happy Father's Day!
Thank you!
You should get an electric feul pump for the def tank it'll stop once it's full and its battery powered so you don't have to worry about plugging it in
I wish I could get one of these cuz I would be the only one driving one of these in London.
Alfa Romeo new car dealerships sell Jeep 4X4 in UK
Not the only one tho 😉 but go for this beast !!
You can get the 2.2 stilll in the UK
We don’t add DEF in the UK. Maybe it’s already in our fuel?
@@JeepWSurf No mate. It isn't in the fuel.
I've had my 2021 wrangler Willys ecodiesel for about a month now and just shy of 4k miles and zero issues, mpg is insane(30 mpg flat ground at 70mph) averages 27-28 mpg for my commute which is pretty hilly, loving every day with it and taking on some trails this weekend.
LOL. "Step on the Gas..." is a term for gasoline engines. In Diesel Speak it's called, "Stepping on the fuel...: or Fuel Mileage vs Gas Mileage. It takes a while to overcome those terms.
The diesel world loves this vehicle and your video was excellent.
Thank you. Two thumbs up.
Hi Brad, from Malaysia here. All our 4x4 Trucks here are diesel, the hiluxs, Mitsubishi Triton, Isuzu Dmax etc. Our diesel here is cheaper then gas. Also we are already using the Euro 5 diesel which is much cleaner.
One good thing I recently noticed about diesel is that during the recent fuel shortages every station had diesel and half of those were out of gasoline.
Thanks for passing your thoughts on to us about yoke ride!! Much appreciated and always keep being cool!!!! Love your stuff. Worth my time.
DEF is fresher at truck stop, fresher the better, dad always told never drink box wine and never use box DEF
Good luck and say safe
Did you forget about your Jeep Wave Membership? You get 3 free oil changes
Go to your Ford dealers parts department and get the Ford DEF filler tube from them. It stops when the tank is full without any mess.
Plus you just rinse it with water and you can use it over and over again.
I bought an Eco-Diesel Gladiator Rubi in March and I just love it. Mine is on 37's and a 5.5" lift, the nearly instant torque right off idle when running trails is a game changer. I don't need a regear currently, but will be moving up to40s next spring. It's a mixed purpose rig, and I agree with Brad that it's Rocklanding, sort of a mix of rock crawling and remote/desolate camping with my wife and kids. We are in NorCal near the Rubicon Trail and Fordyce, each being less than 40mins from my front door. Shortly after buying it, we ran Death Valley and never saw a paved road for 6 days and 200miles. My last Jeep was a TJ and the Gladiator/JT felt a bit big at first, but we've adapted.
Ok, all your dislikes of diesel are the same as mine. I ordered my 392 2 weeks ago when I saw the power curve in a few videos. This will truly be epic!!!!
You can buy DEF at the pump at a truck stop. Much easier and less expensive than the boxes.
Just a great review. I'm thinking of getting either a diesel Gladiator or Rubicon. You are really thoughtful and thorough. Thank you
Los Angeles to Dallas (1500 miles) 31.6 mpg and once I got out of california, $3.90/gallon isn't too bad.
I was looking at a 2.8 turbo diesel 6 speed today. Very nice truck.
There is a company in Canada that makes a DEF removal kit. They reflash your computer and give you the kit to move and eliminate that problem. Only problem is your truck is down for about 2 weeks while you send them your computer they reflash it and they send it back. Still runs just as clean. A must if you live in a state without emissions and inspections
I was thinking the 392 was diesel. Goes to show my ignorance of Jeep, which is one of the reasons I'm watching your videos, to educate myself before I go out and buy one. The only thing I know for sure is that I want the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon; my present vehicle and probably my last couple of vehicles have been automatics, but I drove a standard from the time I was in my teens, like 14 and 15, and I have always leaned toward driving a standard, and I drove a big truck for 8 years, and I've been in different types of gear set ups, and I think I may be leaning toward a standard. Because I do want to go off road with it! Thanks for the review. I'm not sure I want the diesel but the 392 sounds appealing. If you can, I would like to hear more on the 392 for specs and how it handles on the highway and on some of the tougher trails! Thanks for all the reviews you do, Brad. they are really helping me to get more educated on upgrades and accessories! I watched your video on Expo West in Flagg Staff; lots of great content! Thanks for sharing your opinion and knowledge!
You could get Amazon brand euro 5w-40 which is api sn certified which is equivalent to ms12991
29.99 for 6 quarts and you can save a few bucks with an ecoguard s11880 oil filter so you can be under a 100 bucks for an oil change
Pennzoil platinum Euro meets ms12991. $42 on Amazon for 6 quarts
Brad, Interesting here in the UK every fuel staton always has a diesel on each pump some times a diesel only pump but always slightly more expensive that petrol. We dont have that def tank not come across that before, just fill up and go. Drive a 3ltr Nissan Patrol also takes 9 ltrs oil which about £95 or 130$
Love the channel.
You can burn Kerosene or Jet fuel. DEF can be found everywhere. (Walmart, target, any autoparts store) As far as the oil... just run Rotella, and call it a day. We have had this discussion a lot since the EcoDieel came out... and that's what all the RAM guys have done.
Eyeing that Banks system myself. Anxious for your review.
I have the banks tuner and pedal monster. Game changer.
Great review, I was seriously considering the diesel but now I'm not so sure. Maybe the less expensive turbo 4 which has more torque than the V6 and has lower overall maintenance cost is the better option for me. Also, there are 49 state legal tunes that add more torque and power if needed. Thanks for this info.
Great insights as always Brad, thanks for taking the time to share, this is very helpful in giving me confidence that the premium I paid for my 392 may be worth it, time will inevitably have to tell with respect to my particular experience and use case. I’m already thinking of swapping out the dual mode exhaust for an auxiliary fuel tank.
I'm still waiting for my 392 to deliver and I believe it will be worth the wait. I almost went with the Pentastar V6 but I really needed a V8 for pulling my Off Grid trailer over those mountain passes. I wasn't thrilled about the dual exhaust system because I think it's a gimmick prone to fail, but a buyer has no choice. I didn't know you could take it off and stay legal.
DEF at a truck stop pump is half the price and way fresher than those boxes.
I've heard that it's questionable (variable) quality outta the trucker pumps. Not saying that's a fact...think that came from Andre or Mr. Truck off TFL where I picked that up
You know what’s funny is I stopped at a gas station in rio vista ca and the def out of the pump was $6 a gal. I went inside and bought 2 2.5 gallon jugs for $5 a gallon.
@@traviskorda3262 it's the same stuff and refilled constantly if you're at a busy truck stop
@@BAYAREAMX around my home (Denver, CO area), DEF is pretty cheap at the truck stops.
Yeah the one time I found it at the pump it was $4 per gallon and the pump didn't work right.
07 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 3.0. Bought it new now has 170K 95% trouble free miles. Oil changes break the bank but no def for my motor so I save a few $ Lifted on 33's and still gets 28mpg all day Biggest complaint I have had since day 1 is the dirty fuel pump handles and winter mornings waiting for the motor to warm up so I can use the heat.
Thanks for taking the time to do a review of the Diesel. Good information.
Basically, you get the diesel for the extra power and distance, but not at a cost savings.
Most places nowadays charge quite a bit more for diesel than gas.
I have Jeep Diesel Gladiator Rubicon and it's great. I have the Banks power tuner and the Banks "Pedal Monster" which takes care of "turbo lag" and with 42" tires on mine it works great. I have an AFE cold air induction kit I'm putting on in next few days. Also thinking about Water Methanol kit which will further increase HP and Torque and even MPG. I have 5.13 gears and I get around 17-18mpg on highway now. If I ever have a problem getting def fluid or run out of warranty the Re-gen DPF SYSTEM WILL BE STRIPPED OFF AND THEN I WILL TELL YOU THE RESULTS AFTER THAT.
Happy-Fathers Day sir!
Did I just hear Marco “just got a 392” ?!?!?!? Cheers to him! I can’t wait until mine comes
Great Channel Brad, always full of great info! 1700 miles on my ecodiesel so far, runs like a champ. Moab and Alpine Loop coming up this summer!
Awesome Video Brad!!! We are loving are eco diesel too... Can't wait to put some more miles on her. Thanks for making the review because you answered some of our questions.
Thanks Brad! I’ve been waiting for the honest review for the diesel!
Thanks for a great review. I am debating on a brand new 2023 diesel wrangler. They are $8,000 off sticker. I don't drive a lot though. I've had my current vehicle 22 months and it only has 6,800 miles on it.
As a truck driver I want to let you know the attendant doesn’t do a poor job on diesel. Diesel fuel has oil in it, so as vapors escape while you’re fueling it gets all over the nozzle, that’s why all truckers wear gloves when we fuel up, then when you get back in the cab, hand sanitizer for the smell and residue.
Fantastic and honest review Brad. I'm quite pleased with my diesel Gladiator Rubicon running on 37's. I think it's the best engine Jeep ever put in a Jeep for jeeping around, remember it's a tool. Zero issues so far. The 6.4 is cool but it's just axles waiting to break with the Dana 44's and bigger tires, If you want to go fast get a Z06, I've had 3. Pennzoil bottles the Mopar oil (they have no refineries), it's $7 a quart or $56 for 9 quarts plus $47 for the filter, so it's $103 for the oil change, from Amazon. Happy father's Day Amigo, You got some fine boy's, I'm sure your proud.
Every truckstop/travel plaza in America has def pumps. It's never an issue.
I looked at a 392 today in Arizona and it was $107,000. before tax lic and dealer add on's.
That is crazy.... It's not even a hellcat. It should be an under 10k option at most.
As a Canadian I do not understand the absence of diesel anywhere. I have owned 3 diesels in my time, lived rural and urban and have never had an issue finding diesel. Always readily available in Canada even in the north.
Bought my diesel wrangler March 2020. Oil changes free at the dealerships in Colorado. Diesel less expensive than gas currently. Also have never been to a station that does not have diesel. Must be a Cali thing. Anyhow loving my diesel as well. Cheers!
I own the ecodiesel jeep wrangler and have the AFE tune and pedal commander- it performs amazing!
The Mercedes Bluetec diesel engine does not use DEF. It has a high temperature converter to burn out the remains in the exhaust.
Here in Atlanta you can put Blue DEF from a pump next to the diesel pump.
I have a 2021 Sahara diesel. Just hit 17000 km. And I fucking love it. Best car so far. So good on gas
I am a diesel guy for a long time. Glad to hear no issues. I think a big factor is not having to re-gear and axle swap over having the V6. Torque and fuel are my main factor. I will be getting one after your review.
When I was calculating for a gladiator diesel vs a 3.6 with my driving and estimated mpg it would take 239 years to make back my money on the diesel in fuel economy. That also didn’t include any of the added maintenance costs lol. Definitely not for mpg but I’d still pick the diesel.
Truck stations have def at the big rig pumps. It is normally cheaper and fresher than the box. Also it helps to carry rubber gloves for the diesel pumps.
Owned my 2021 diesel JT for 6 months now, and I'd say I got very lucky with my purchase. Being part of the jeep wave program, I get 3 free oil/filter changes which is like saving $600+. I only had to add DEF once at 4k miles but I'm already at 8k now and only used 1/4 of the DEF tank so I think that'll get better over time.