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I get asked a lot about whether being a practicing attorney is like being a lawyer on TV. I love watching legal movies and courtroom dramas. It's one of the reasons I decided to become a lawyer. But sometimes they make me want to pull my hair out because they are ridiculous. Today I'm taking a break from representing clients and teaching law students how to kick ass in law school to take on lawyers in the movies and on TV. While all legal movies and shows take dramatic license to make things more interesting (nobody wants to see hundreds of hours of brief writing), many of them have a grain of truth. This is part of a continuing series of "Lawyer Reaction" videos. Got a legal movie or TV show you'd like me to critique? Let me know in the comments!
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Had to cut a bunch for time. So there's a lot of stuff in the extended version on Nebula!
You should review Just Mercy.
please react to Law Abiding Citizen.
Lindon John did thee most feminist he made the popular Vite an issue. Anyone over 18 can vote and then he or women who voted for him send thousands of male voters to dying. This one reason Majority rule always always lead to tyrannical majorities what do expect giving the majority vote to people least affected by the vote
@@osmosisjones4912 What is this incomprehensible conspiracy theorist rambling? Try again, in English, with facts.
- Are you showing contempt of the court?
- No, your honour, I'm trying hard to hide it.
Nice
Saying Strom Thurman was "sort of a racist Senator" is the nicest thing ever said about him
He was proud of being a racist Senator.
He was a senile bastard
Also factually inaccurate. He was extremely openly racist
Nicest true thing
And horribly, he had a black illegitimate daughter. He paid all her expenses while legislating for her continued oppression.
Watching this without the knowledge of the real trial you could easily think it was heavily dramatised, the fact that its the opposite is absolutely mind blowing
When watching, I thought the 4-5 contempt of courts violations gives to Kunstler were movie dramatization... I was shocked when the credits show the real number was 24.
@@1998marijn1998 And it was all overturned and all the defendant was acquitted upon appeal.
@@ShadowMoon878 Great, better late than never. I knew the convictions were overturned, but I had thought the poor people still had to deal with contempt of court violations in any case. Nice to know
This is exactly what i thought, it is incredible that this actually happened
Despite a couple of things being out of order/wrong about the full historical accuracy, and me being a history student who loves historical accuracy, this movie was REALLY enjoyable to watch.
I received a pretty good education in high school, college, graduate school and after ... and I was angry when I watched this movie. Angry that I'd NEVER heard anything about this trial or the events that surrounded it.
I agree. I have to now go consume everything I can about it immediately!
I read about it in an encyclopedia when I was 17.
Hey, you, you're finally awake.
You should be angry about not learning a lot of things. Including this. But also finance. I wonder if they want us to be financially illiterate or something so we dont stop being poor. They need backs to walk on.
@@LukePalmer holy shit, is that the course material for a Yale class? Is there more stuff like this available for other courses?
“He is here without legal representation”
“I don’t care for your general tone”
I’m with the Yuppies in this one. This judge is a joke.
I mean Yippies
@@arturoaguilar6002 To be fair, I’m pretty sure Yuppies agree with the sentiment too.
I will never understand how his law license by unknowingly and unjustly going directly against the Constitution by holding a trail while refusing a defendant’s right to a lawyer
This movie was a joke. It was very historically inaccurate.
@@NeoConNET7 ... oh sure yeah youbetcha.
weird you don't offer any reasons why your post isn't shitty rando
"Not a shining moment for the judicial system". No kidding, and the even worse moment for the judicial system is that this man was permitted to continue be a judge afterwards.
💯
Until the day he died
@@seancasey535 A day that didn't come soon enough.
Seriously?? That’s insane
@@mirawenya Sadly, it's not. Judges are extremely powerful and taking them out is really hard. As hard as cops are to be punished.
This really should have been a limited series, so much the people deserve to know.
Absolutely agree. I'm glad that Legal Eagle Inc. did the work and refered to all of the other events that the movie missed. For more info take a look at the below:
Interview with Jon Wiener, the author of the book "Conspiracy in the Streets" about the trial and riots:
www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936164085/author-says-the-chicago-7-trial-reflected-all-the-conflicts-in-america
Interview with Aaron Sorkin on directing 'The Trial Of The Chicago 7'
www.npr.org/2020/11/02/930380786/aaron-sorkin-on-the-trail-of-the-chicago-7
Agree. Netflix should have done something similar to Ava Duvernay's When They See Us and have at least 4 episodes
@@ashante190
Except Netflix didn't make this, they just bought it from Paramount Pictures.
Imagine if it was part of the “American Crime Story” anthology series. Ryan Murphy and Aaron Sorkin would’ve been an absolute powerhouse.
I was a 20 year old young man during this time and this trial had a lasting and permanent effect on me! I finally knew what kind of a government we had and still have. A great review!!
I know this is a 10 month old comment, but I'm still interested to ask. Has time since then managed to disappoint you even further, or did your expectations drop low enough that everything since fit your expectations? 20 would be an impressively young age to get a lifetime's worth of jaded (I think), but this does seem like an exceptional level of spiteful farce to be jaded *by*...
@@Dabordi I am not sure how to answer this or even what the question is? I will say that in the last 50 years or so, there has been some change but not nearly enough. Too many people who celebrate idiocy, shun the "others" and seek office for power not to implement ideas. I will do what I can locally among family and friends but until a larger percentage of people change how they look at the world, I don't see much hope
It is incredible. We talk about how openly democracy is under threat now, but this and the slew of political murders in the 60s was just as bad. Things haven't changed at all.
@@vanyadolly Even under a “liberal establishment” in the 60s we functioned with the same degree of authoritarianism as today, if not worse given the political climate often lended itself to authoritarianism.
Now there’s at least somewhat of an elected opposition. But still, not enough for a governing majority.
I was 21. Maybe an exact description is "scarred for life."
I object to describing Thurmond as "sort of racist". There's definitely no "sort of" needed in this sentence. He was very racist.
To call him racist would be an understatement. He caused systemic racism to worsen exponentially
We are talking about someone who left the Democratic Party because it wasn't racist enough for him.
@@darkseid1975 he was a Goldwater Republican. Meaning when the Republicans took over the racist policies to take over the south, he switched to be a part of it. Racist af.
I'm not racist. I can't be racist. I have a Jewish lawyer. Also, my housekeeper is Mexican and my daughters math tutor is Oriental. And I like that one Louis Armstrong song.
Thurmond was sort of racist in the way Ostriches are sort of birds. Im sure you can find someone dumb enough to make the argument, but it's minimum the 3rd most obvious way to define them.
It would be amazing if political activists were half as organized as they are prescribed to be by their enemies.
IKR, I was watching some DOJ redscare propaganda and it seems like everyone and their dog is a specially trained communist agitator
Abbie Hoffman was actually really successful with a lot of his protests.
If the so called "Radical Left" and generally political activists were even half as organised as the right wing constantly portrays us as, we'd constantly be in power, the right wing would be denied a voice and all would probably be right with the world.
They need to be grateful we're not that organised loooooool!!!!!
Objection!
Half? Try a hundredth. I would say 'like herding cats,' but that understates the difficulty of the issue. Protestors aren't unified by agreement, they merely share a disagreement.
@@30secondstomarsMBH You mean "all would be right with the world" as the democrats would start another Vietman war like they did before?
I just love the fact that Sacha Baron Cohen played a character on trial for crossing state lines to incite a riot when he has previously done that himself in order to film the ending of Bruno
I really wish they’d included the real life exchange where Abbie Hoffman insulted judge Hoffman in Yiddish
Ooooh, do tell more, that sounds amazing!
He called him a “shande far dee goyim”, i.e. a disgrace for the gentiles
Omg - SOOO much pure gold was omitted from this, I’m assuming because Aaron Sorkin probably got jealous that somebody ELSE was saying witty & clever dialogue, but it wasn’t written by HIM. haha
Hoffman got an actual charge of Contempt for what the court called “Cursing in Yiddish”
I recommend reading the actual transcripts over watching this. It’s not a BAD movie (it’s a tight courtroom drama, that’s very well paced), but it deviates from a lot of the most significant things that actually happened. And Sorkin just skipped over a ton of actually hilarious stuff, and replaced it instead with his own self-serious dialogue (you can always tell from the succinct banter exactly how clever & charming Sorkin thinks it is... in his mind, you just know he’s ALREADY won the Oscar for Best Screenplay, haha)
@@AwesometownUSA I wish the entire 'screw you judge hoffman' rant ending of the trial had been included, instead of the soldier speech.
@@Amitlu case in point: in real life, it was a list of all the American AND Vietnamese who had died... and Aaron Sorkin just can’t wrap his head around the point they were trying to make, and so he changed it to just be about *American soldiers* ... it shows a real self-centeredness, suggesting that the Vietnam war is BAD, sure, but it’s only bad because it’s *Americans* are dying
So I found out that one of my favorite folk singers, Phil Ochs, was a witness for the defense at the real trial.
I did a bit of Googling, and it turns out that some of his testimony concerns an earlier case in which he, six other people, and A PIG were arrested for disorderly conduct when they tried to nominate the pig for president.
Kunstler asked him - and this is a direct quote - "Were you informed by an officer that the pig had squealed on you?"
Hee-hee! Thanks
The pig was named Pigasus and when they were arrested and taken to the jailhouse, the police came up to the cell and said, "I have bad news for you boys. The pig squealed"
Where did you find that out? I am curious because my folks had a couple Phil ochs Lps!
Phil Ochs, absolute legend but a terrible tragedy. He was there at the riot in Chicago in 68 and it crushed him. His songs are still some of my favourites.
Not sure this is what you're looking for but I'd love to see you take on the Central Park Five debacle - too few people nowadays properly comprehend how bad procedure and media sensationalism synergized to convince most people into calling for the death of innocent kids.
thanks for the interesting history lesson
“Mildly racist for the time?”He was racist.
Does racism exists in degrees or as a binary categorization? He was racist, no doubt. Is it appropriate to qualify it by a relative comparison to the actions of his peers? Calling it mild is putting it mildly, agreed. I’m just interested in the question of relative vs absolute use of the term, that you seem to raise. Can someone be more racist than another when both exhibit racist behavior?
@@chemquests I guess it depends on how you'll want to deliver your point on 'how racist' someone is or if they're simply 'racist'. I always like to think that no matter how-absolute you think the definition of a racist person is, it's still to a large degree relative to a lot of things. A lot of things that can end up changing your perspective on one man being racist, but potentially not being racist by another person's standards of 'racist'. I guess my problem with the absolute approach is that it conflates the differing repercussions that many 'racist' people can have. Two different men can be racist in the absolute sense, but then it might harm one of them disproportionately if the absolute idea of racism is also tied to an absolute consequence, repercussion, or a meaning to society. Though I guess that's underestimating the fact that people will indeed look more into an individual's racist behavior, and make of it as they will.
Overall I'd rather go with an absolute definition, but make sure not to tie any absolute ramifications with them, as the individual persons might be dealt with differently in regards to their individual racist behavior, but absolute racism.
@@jinsory5582 I appreciate the nuanced response. I was thinking about whether we’re focused on the extremity of the act or the attitude driving it. One might argue the more or less extreme behavior is driven by the same attitude & it’s the attitude being described. Perhaps they feel the same way & what differs is their propensity to violence, or other factor. Conversely the extremity of the behavior may indicate their commitment to those attitudes. It’s a morbid topic as all racist acts harm society, even minor acts create a hostile environment. If we’re talking guilt/shame ascribed by society, we are limited to punishing actual behavior & we can only appeal to people to change their attitudes. The majority of people I encounter have unconscious bias &/or lazy thinking/habits (parroting their surrounding culture). Those folks aren’t committed per se & tend to curb their behavior in an environment where those behaviors (including speech) are not tolerated. This is why it’s important to me to let other white people know when they’re being foul, because it’s most effective for changing attitudes if it comes from peers. I definitely agree that it’s on the perpetrators, not the victims, to fix the problem ultimately.
@@chemquests I think is more useful to think about racism in different types instead of different degrees; how is it expressed, how do people develop racist ideas, how do they justify it, etc. All sort of things can lead to a person to be prejudiced and associate negativity to a specific ethnicity. That way, we could contextualize the racism of a system, a person or a group and address them in their unique way. We can recognize that a suburban mom that gets anxious when she sees a black man walking in the same sidewalk as her and a violent member of the KKK are both racist, but we can also recognize that they are not the same. No less or more racist, just different.
There is no such thing as "mildly racist". A racist is a racist. A non-black person shouting the N-word to a dark-skinned guy is as racist as a person who murdered a non-white because of the color of his skin.
There are a lot of judges in this country who still act like that. They won't physically muzzle you, but they will abuse the law with their racism and disdain of the poor.
Judges and Suits in general...
It's hard to have faith in a judicial system that gives impunity to it's judges.
Kind of destroys all of its credibility.
and two got put on the suprem court by the orange racist suprem, not to mention the hundreds of others he put in at all levels.
Question: Is there ever a case of a bailiff actually tackling a lawyer for approaching the well without permission?
When I was a vey fresh attorney (I am no longer an attorney), I took two steps beyond counsel desk and the Bailiff took a few steps to the side to block my patch to the judge. He polite reminded me to ask permission first. When I recognized my mistake, asked and was granted permission, he said ; "you may pass".
I have never heard of this case. Granted I’m a 22 year old Australian but damn it’s interesting, and disappointed I didn’t know but really interested to see the film.
I grew up in Chicago with a good education, and I've never heard of this either, not even in regards to the recent repetition of this type of thing in the US the last two years. Shocking.
@@hannahjoy4857 The US has a frustratingly bad habit of ignoring the parts of its past that are uncomfortable to tell.
Most of America didn't know (and some still choose not to) before this film. It's why Florida's attempts to erase Black history is so harmful: books like The New Jim Crow and Patriarchy Blues are being banned left and right, putting us in danger of going back to when things were far worse for us. It's easy to dehumanize a group of people when you take their history away
my ap govpol/law teacher really likes you (he also helps with our mock trial team--all trials are on zoom which is weird). this man is like 80 and has met Abe Fortas and was going to have a tour of the US SC building but it was postponed for weather. and the dude really loves your videos. So good job!
Edit (fun fact): When Abe Fortas came to speak for his class, one student asked him what his first impression of Gideon was. My teacher was hoping for some great insight, but all Fortas said was "looked like a bum." makes sense because Fortas was known for his candid demeanor
"Man this movie is crazy, I wonder how much they exaggerated history."
*Goes and reads the history of this trial*
"Man, this trial was crazy, it's somehow an exaggeration of the movie!"
The Dollop podcast did an amazing 3-part deep dive into the details of this case if people like comedy and history.
What's the name of the episode?
@@alishauvais3646 451, 452, and 453, titled "Abbie Hoffman"
This film was absolutely thrilling and equally as horrifying, and to see the accuracy from the perspective of a lawyer only serves to make it even more shocking.
Thank you so much for your review!
Binding and gagging a nonviolent Black man in the middle of a court room. WTF AMERICA.
The police also murdered Fred Hampton with some other Panthers while this was going on. Then the police hammered nails into the door to make it look like the Panthers shot at them, but the only shot from a panther was a reflex when he was murdered
Also, Fred Hampton was 21 and lying in bed when they shot him
@Hudson Donald you're saying that like it has anything to do with him being gagged in a courtroom and denied legal counsel
19:54 You should really check out the new movie Judas of the Black Messiah which tells what truly happened to Fred Hampton.
Truly excellent film. Robbed of the Best Picture Oscar
wat happened
@@sudiptaroy3200 watch the film
@@bothi00 just say haha
@@sudiptaroy3200 fred Hampton was drugged before the police raid that killed him by a police informer. He was drugged to make him "easier to arrest", but like Bobby says in the film, he was shot in the head. Some 90 bullets were shot into the house, only 1 shot was fired at the police
I literally just finished watching the movie when you posted this 😊
Utterly gobsmacked by this one, a disgrace of a show trial.
Thanks for your take 🙂
I was on jury duty at the Chicago Dirkson Federal Buidling. During Voir Dire I was being held in a room, while they were questioning the final Jurors. After which they would announce who was on the jury. It turns out the room I was waiting in was the Chicago 7 court room, in Room 2303. It was mentioned in a plaque outside the room.
“The closest to a show trial” that’s because it was a show trial
The trial may have been planned as a show trial but the result was an embarrassment to the judicial system.
The trial became a show because of the ridiculous behavior of the defendants.
@@NeoConNET7 The trial was ridiculous from the very beggining. In fact, even before that, Judge Hoffman held the defense's attorneys that assisted in pretrial motions in contempt because they attempted to withdraw from the case. Only when he got shit from every single major lawyer in the country, did Hoffman relent.
"Kangaroo court trial!"
@@NeoConNET7 How would you feel if you were lumped in with a bunch of people just for doing a protest. How would you feel if you were tied and gagged to share or trying to demand your constitutional right to either legal representation or your constitutional right to represent yourself. Wouldn’t you’ll be a little frustrated would you be a little angry. And the top on top of all that this judge got off Scott free and worked in the judicial system until he died. If anyone had ridiculous behavior it was the judge.
Objection! You failed to mention how much I love this film and how happy I am you took my request seriously. Thank you, Legal Eagle!
The police started the riots
Change my mind🥃
Filed under "why are you booing me? I'm right"
Because they probably did - whether in plainclothes or uniform.
They always do.
They usually do.
The Department of Justice agreed with you.
Very often true but saying that can downplay the role that grassroots movements have in the fight for liberation.
I just finished watching Philadelphia with Denzel Washington and now I’m interested in seeing you do a video about it. I didn’t see it in your past videos. Whether it’s been done or not, I’d really appreciate seeing it. I binge watch your stuff. It’s so good!!!
I want a whole series on this case.
I have a question: if you distract someone from doing CPR on someone who is dying, are you then charged with murder?
that's a very specific question, what did you do?
It should depend on if you're distracting them with the intet of killing the person, if you are then maybe it would count as murder. My guess would be that it falls under manslaughter though
Not a professional lawyer, but a healthcare professional. First point (and this is significant and not pedantic) a person receiving CPR is dead. Something happerend before the time CPR started which caused them to die. Assuming both the rescuer and the distracting person had nothing to do with that, then they are not guilty of causing the deceased to die. Second point, if you live in a region covered by good Samaritan laws, then you have no duty to help the patient. Third point, related to the enforcement of Good Samaritan laws, the care provided is only required to be at a standard that a reasonable person with your training and experience would be able to perform. So a person distracting you while providing care would factor in to your response. Final point, with regards to the distracting person, it would be the task of prosecutors to prove that your distraction caused the CPR to result in a negative outcome. This is impossible to prove due to the low levels of success inherent in any CPR attempt. In conclusion, even if there was malicious intent with the distraction, it would be almost impossible to prove that it caused the CPR to fail.
@@JohnSmith-jp5bj @John Smith 1. The Uniform Determination of Death Act disagrees. Cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions is death only if it is irreversible. If CPR can work, the person is not dead.
2. Good Samaritan laws protect someone who helps from liability. They do not protect someone from liability for not helping. Plenty of factors other than causing the harm can lead to liability.
i suppose it can depend on mans rea
Holy crap, this is sad. And it's even more terrifying in the light of what we saw in 2020 in the US, as well as in other countries (Hong Kong).
Sounds like it should have been a mini series instead of a movie.
I really wanted more of this movie.
Nah, TV shows are just filler
@@Stettafire -- Huh?
7:55 As someone who often feels "the odd man out", this is pretty apt description of the left in the US right now
There's nothing like everyone hating you 🤷
What is a "pretty apt description of the left in the US right now"? And which people on the left? I don't understand your comment.
Hi LegalEagle, after looking up some more info about this case, I saw the judge had ordered the defendants and even their lawyers to have their long hair cut. Can you comment on the legality of such an order? Wouldn't such an order violate due process?
I'm not sure if there was a law on it back at the time of the trial, but nowadays that would fall under assault and injury.
Yes, having your hair cut without consent is a criminal offense.
@@HappyBeezerStudios LIsten to SERIAL season 3. Judges still pull shit like thi with impunity - there's no accountability or means of redress or appeal for most defendants.
This country asks a lot from black people for what its done and continues to do....
Bit of trivia here: The chant "The whole world is watching" was used in the Chicago Transit Authority song "Someday (Aug 29, 1968)". When I heard it, I ran to look up the incident in the local library and numerous encyclopedias. Learned more from an obscure (albeit, GREAT) song than I did in school.
I’ll absolutely LOVED this movie. It was so good and I already wanna watch it again. So glad you reviewed it but I wish this would’ve been like eight parts, so you could’ve gotten into the nitty-gritty of every single line 😂
in real life it was horrible to live through, to have to recognize this is what your government is.
I knew Jerry Rubin back in the mid-90s when he was dating my cousin. We went to a "Trial of the Chicago 7" play at a local playhouse. Jerry gave a talk beforehand, and, I think one or two of the others were there as well.
Is the "H. Rapp Brown law" still on the books?
Because, I heard that a group of people were encouraged to cross state lines to riot on Jan 6, 2012.
Or January 6 2021
Bobby was used as an auxiliary in this movie and in this trial. I'm really sorry about the treatment he received 😕
day 26 of asking legal eagle to react to all the court cases from the show Community
Yes this needs to happen!
“Strom Thurmond, a sort of racist senator” is the understatement of the century lol
I don’t know if you’ve answered this before but have you actually seen a lawyer get tackled for approaching the well?
He has and he never saw it happen. Because people just know better than this. A good example is the movie rain man (he already covered this movie). In that movie a young lawyer, unguided by more experienced lawyers goes through his first trial. He is not familiar with the rules of the court, so when he stood up to walk into the well and approach the witness the judge just said that he had to ask for permission first before entering. He apologized and that was that.
ruclips.net/video/1FU-Fso8O8E/видео.html
This movie properly portrayed Judge Hoffman, who was well known to be nuts and to lack any judicial temperament. And Abbie Hoffman apparently did call Judge Hoffman to his face a "shonde fer de goyim." Just awesome.
At this point, I feel as though only a real trial that was filmed would get an A+ grade.
I want him to do the people vs oj Simpson.
He actually did give an A+ to the movie "The Rainmaker".
Objection: This channel has a lack of musical representation. I motion for the release of a Real Lawyer Reacts video about the film Chicago
guess you missed ruclips.net/video/UfZgNamKbwc/видео.html
Oh, I've seen that one. Loved it in fact. I just think Chicago would be really fun too
Speaking of show trials, it would be interesting for you to review the legal scenes of bridge of spies.
I enjoyed it, Sorkin writes such good dialogue!
Would love to hear you opinions on the West Memphis 3 story. It happened close to where I live and has always bothered me that the justice system was so obviously corrupt, it changed my opinion of "fair trials" forever
You've sold me on this movie, I got to get it.
@@MrJimheeren oh good to know, thanks!
The movie changes some stuff so if you are interested reading or an audiopiece about it
I want to see a video where you rate the form and style of various bailiffs as they tackle people.
I lived through these years as a teenager yet when I listened to this host I wondered if he understood what our country was going through at this time. It is one thing to read some testimony, it is another thing to experience the crisis our country faced. The trial of the Chicago Seven was a mockery and abuse of the Nixon Administration. My parent's generation was scared and unsure what was going on and Nixon was not the right person that we needed. This was not a Republican or Democratic Party thing; it was a crisis that resulted in putting young men into a military exercise that we clearly didn't understand. My generation was harmed by the irresponsible actions of politicians, Democrat and Republican, who thought they were doing what was best for the USA. BTW - I served in the USMC and volunteered to go overseas. I believe I served so that we have a vibrant democracy that allows men and women to protest and voice their opinion and opposition. I am proud of what I did and proud of the men who were pulled into a courtroom and did their part to serve our country by speaking their minds. For me, that is the essence of a democracy.
I BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE, I LEGIT CANNOT TELLL UUU I HAVE SEARCHED UR CHANNEL EVER SINCE I SAW IT THANK YOU SO MUCHHHH ILYYY
The movie was absolutely amazing and all the info you added made it even more interesting and incredible!
I was waiting for this video from LegalEagle! Love this film, watched it several times since it came out on Netflix. LegalEagle doesn't disappoint!
Objection: I have a question!! And hope you are able to answer it. It seem like the judge wasn’t fit to hold this trail fairly. (Defendant going through trail without an attorney) is there any way to challenge the level of fitness of the judge to remove him from handling this case. Similar to voir dire? Thank you and love your channel.
Why have I never heard a shred of this story? I had a good education, and I've never heard of any of this.
Was a freshman in high school right here in Chicago when all this went down. I remember watching the news every night with my parents and seeing the sheer brutality and total disregard for civil rights being doled out by Mayor Daley's ham fisted storm troopers. I was just beginning to take world affairs seriously and seeing what went down during the convention was a shocking "how can that happen in America" moment for me. Cheers....
Objection: All of the trials that came from the war on drugs are political show trials.
underrated comment.
I absolutely love your channel, especially as a child/relative of many many lawyers and judges. I watched this movie and was horrified by how the government truly conspired to make an example of these individuals. I was surprised that you didn’t more passionately point out this failure of the justice system. Even the movie pointed out how the colleagues of the judge gave a vote of no confidence and the asst district attorney has some conscious about what he was being asked to do. How do you feel about the justice system here. Are you too close to critique it, because I think it deserves to be slammed for this trial.
I think he's trying to be informative and impartial.
This case reminded me of my experience in English court.
Courts are very abusive sometimes.
I was a student safeguarding officer & complained about safety in my college. The managers expelled me without appeal. I made YT videos truthfully saying what had happened. Their lawyers wrote to YT behind my back & got all my videos banned & they sued me for harassment for "upsetting" them with my hurtful claims of how they kicked me out of college for nothing. I had no lawyer. I wasn't able to cope too well on my own due to stress & eg they'd flood me with paper. They said sign a NDA or I'd have to pay £50k in legal costs. I signed it. 6 months later my dad died on my 40th birthday. I dunno if they paid for him to be killed? I was supposed to get £100k inheritance. The executor was violent. There were a series of court cases where they would suddenly ambush me with court cases on the day of the hearing. I wanted to see accounts of what the executor was doing with my inheritance. The judge hated me almost like that Chicago judge. He said I had seen accounts. I hadn't at all. I couldn't tell if money was being stolen at all. He said because I sent the documents by email I hadn't served them. This is an actual rule. You have to serve document by letter. Email doesn't count. But no one told me until the day of the hearing. They just ambushed me with these rules & cases I didn't know about & the judge hated me & took their side. I had to pay them £15k in costs. It just made me really ill with stress & then I couldn't fight the case so they kept the remaining £85k that my dad left for me & I got nothing.
Quick correction: Ford actually pulled out, since Nixon had to resign
Thanks, I am just old enough to remember the name of Abby Hoffman.
23:07 objection! J.K Simmons doesn't play Judge Hoffman. Frank Langella does.
No, at 23:07 he’s taking about a dramatic reading of the transcripts on Audible.com.
It's actually baffling to me more how this judge got to keep his job until he died at 88 yrs old.
I mean, how?
and that racist senator until he died at 100. ONE HUNDRED!!!
You said "HumphrIES", his name was "HumphrEY"
Also, Yippies instead of Hippies
@@kroee No, Yippies is correct here. Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin were in the Youth International Party, or Yippies.
@@kroee Yippies and Hippies are two different social movements
@@georgelloydgonzalez Yeah and afaik they didn't always agree or coexist smoothly.
Kind of sad this wasn't done as a series rather than a film.
Honestly. It’s one of my favorite movies.
Is a full transcript (including pre-trial motion practice) available online? Or there is only a book with excerpts?
I would really like to read complete and full story.
The last thing Bobbie Kenedy said publicly was. "Now, let's go on to Chicago and win there. "
This was big news in real time when I was about 10 because Abbey Hoffman was from my home town. Everybody had an opinion, people under 25 thought they were getting railroaded and people over 25 thought they were commies. Back then our political divide was called the Generation Gap.
Anybody notice at the 2:30 mark that is Jack Brickhouse interviewing Humphrey? Brickhouse is most well known as the longtime tv announcer for the Chicago Cubs. He also interviewed numerous politicians over his career.
that court deserved more than 175 counts of contempt
For the record in a poll of Chicago lawyers taken before this trial 78% of the lawyers disapproved of Hoffman. He had several cases before this one reversed because of his misconduct, including Lenny Bruce's trial.
Do a real law review of When They See Us! That would be amazing!!
I'd love to see him cover "Keeper of the Reaper" from Billy and Mandy!
My sister was in Chicago during the riots so , I followed this trial from beginning to end.
Objection, re: "entering the well" In many Mid=Western states and smaller metro areas where lawyers are known, including their in-court behavior/courtesy, entering the "well," without asking permission first is allowed, though closely approaching the bench or a witness in the box, will have the expectation of asking. My home state, Iowa, requires examining a witness from counsel table, unless properly addressing an exhibit. Movement around your "well" is allowed during opening and closing. In my hundreds of jury trial, I was a "mover," though we could not hover over the jury--about 3 feet from the box. If I was desiring to pass an exhibit during final argument, I asked the court before breaching the invisible barrier. I was only stuck at a lectern for appellate courts.
A new Aaron Sorkin legal movie? How did I not hear about this?!
Objection: I believe it's not you overcome the commerce clause with the "cross state lines" standard but rather you invoke the Commerce Clause. It's the 10th amendment you overcome.
The judge reminds me a little of Judge Robert Sanders. Out-RAGEOUS!
As someone who is ignorant to all things involving the Court system, I really want to know how it's ok for a judge to be like this in the courtroom and have so much power?
If you want to talk about abuse of power, this whole trial is like the poster child.
"the whole world is watching" is such a powerful chant. it was the first time a war was brought directly into peoples homes on the tv. with the advent of social media's ability to channel and disseminate political movements that chant feels more relevant than ever.
Please do "the zoot suit riots" not a famous movie, but major court case set in California.
Also Veep for a fun one!
I've always been a huge fan of Hoffman and his assorted works. He, Carlin, and others helped shape I.
I wish that I had learned about the Chicago 7 in school. To think that this crap actually happened.
I was at Bobby Kennedy's speech in Indianapolis the day MLK was assassinated. Bobby calmed everyone down and thus Indianapolis was the ONLY major city to not have riots that night. I was 13. When Bobby was killed, I cried. I'll be 67 next month.
I followed this everyday - wasn't easy back then . .
Oh wow, I just finished a big final project for my history course on the protests during the 1968 DNC so seeing this video pop up in my suggestions was a nice surprise!
This judge should’ve been given the boot.
Just wanted to say, nice suit. Loving the double breasted waistcoat
Yes! The cut of that waistcoat is so fierce, and counterpointed against the tie? Sartorial excellence 👍🏾👍🏾
After seeing this I went and listened to the audible transcript and... Wow... Just wow... I can't believe that actually happened
"Crossing state lines" seems to be a pet peeve of people who don't like the justice system working.
Come on react to American Crime Story: The People vs OJ Simpson
That's a whole series, it would be rather difficult to analyze it
@@georgelloydgonzalez The series covers more than the trial - he could look at the parts specifically in court.
@@MariaVosa he would have to cover the chase too
Wow! Anyone here after Jan. 6th 2021? I'm so exhausted by all the hypocrisy in this country.
“Kunstler” is a really difficult name to say properly, in a particularly nuanced reason, especially on a platform that doesn’t allow for “naughty words”
Turtle approved.
Twisted Sisters legendary hit song "Were Not Gonna Take It" fit the vibe, verbality and actions those on trial in this film.