i got this recently and unless i did something wrong, you CANT build all variations straight out of the box. There is not enough torsos as far as i remember, or legs. I had to make a choice which gunners i make before. Spreadsheet lists 12 Kasrkin, but parts allow you to build 10.
I'm actually seriously considering getting this team right after I finish work. Lore note, lasguns are not actually silent! There's a crack of superheated air when they're fired and the distinctive smell of ozone, so you'd both hear and smell that sniper if he takes a shot.
In lore kasrkin actually do employ “silencers” for their guns. Idk how it works, but it is mentioned in either the codex or shadowvaults book I can’t remember
@@CanYouRollaCritindeed, I still think they are gonna absolutely slap with their team rule+the AP1 on crits thing. An entire team with AP1 on EVERYTHING in an edition that has low to no AP is nuts. Not sure if they would be better in inquisition really, since you do switch some kasrkin out for odd agents right? I'm not entirely sure why they would be better in inquisition?
@@CanYouRollaCrit yeah when I was watching I already cut one soldier gun aand create volley gun :D Now Im ready! But cant decide if focus onScions or Karskins… I love them both
Just played new Kasrkin, 3+ helps a lot, melta obliterates marines. hot-shot volley gun is great too, best comms in the game, demo guy is ok. Ploys, equip and faction ability are fine too. Still was tabled by Angels 10-17, secure, champion(tac op main) vs overrun(kill op main). Any suggestions?
Played 2 games against Angels last saturday and it was my first time playing Kill Team. Had a LOT of fun with this team. I like that it emphasizes on shooting and covering fire, instead of "COWABUNGA IT IS" The look on the friends face who thought that he can easily go in-melee with kasrkins and wipe them was priceless, when he realised that effectively he is trading 1 marine for 1 Kasrkin due to how much firepower they can dish out. I lost 1 game and we had a draw on 2nd (on 2nd he decided that going full melee is a bad idea xD). Demo trooper is imo GREAT for area denial. Melta mine can 1shot a marine. Volley Gun paired with medic behind it is hillarious combo. Put a sharpshooter or melta close by for covering fire if someone wants to go close and its a menace.
@@CanYouRollaCrit I suppose there are times in advance where you know "I really need initiative going into the next TP", but it'll feel bad using it and then rolling a 6.
If I had to only do one, would a Sergeant with las pistol and chain sword be better or a sergeant with plasma pistol and power weapon? You said the hot shot pistol is better for proking abilities, but that you would always go chainsword and plasma.
So maybe a stupid question but please forgive me since i'm a complete newbie to kill team; but does the faction equipment count for every one of the operatives? i dont fully understand if "friendly kasrkin" counts for the one with the equipment or for everyone in the kill team
The energy snipers not being silent after the first shot makes some sense; there's a big red laser beam pointing to where they're at every time they shoot. Giving all the snipers heavy and a mobile profile makes it feel like they're designed to just get one big shot per battle, so I think I'd have rather their profile with silent be a one off rather than only the FIRST shot they take.
So for the sergeant load out you initially said you'd always take the hot shot las pistol and power sword but then later in the video you said you'd always build them with a plasma pistol and chainsword. Which do you actually recommend?
Here's my question, how do they compare to the Tempestus Aquilons? The two teams are very much alike in appearance and I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the comparison.
I spent the week end kitbashing these guys from tau kits (breachers + pathfiders + a xv15 for the volley gunner), hope I didn't waste (way too much) time 😂
So on the recon unit, i dont see that it reads differentlyfor the kasrkin than when its used for inquisitorialagents. So i dont see where the unit is better for one team than the other. The issue as I see it is, it gets to use a kasrkin strategic ploy, even though it's a kasrkin, while being used in inquisitorial agents. The ploy isn't any more powerful for either team, as it activates the same way for both, it's that it is avaliable to the other team at all that is the issue? So the unit gives both teams and boost, but neither is a better boost than the other
It gives Inq a 5th free strat ploy that also works on all their more powerful units, so they can dash up melee units as well as stuff like meltas and plasma etc so it is better because you have more offensive pieces that get free mobility
How large is the melta mine token? is it at least as large as the models base? Couldn't you place it under yourself and just stand there shooting, anything that charges you gets hit and you take no damage
How's the flamer gunner? I was really hoping flamers would make a comeback in the new edition, at least against hordes, but you not mentioning it at all doesn't give me much hope.
I don't understand why you say that the Recon Trooper is better in Inquisition. Maybe there's some subtleties I don't get with the Inquisitoral team, but on paper, the rule looks the same. He can Relocate for free, including two more operatives (Kasrkin or Inquisition) that are within 3" of him. But he always has to be the target of the free Relocation ploy.
I'll copy/paste again: - Gives Inq a 5th free strategy ploy - Works on all the Inq operatives so lets them push up their melee and other threats up for free The ploy is not balanced working around with Inq operatives. In Kasrkin its fine
The damage those gun butts do is sk funny thematically, like wow only 1 damage less than their guns in some cases, I get it's like that for rules sake but thinking about it is funny
@@CanYouRollaCrit 'you cannot use that ploy with an inquisitorial agent kill team unless this operative is selected' reads as only the trooper, not the entire IA team to me, I’m respectfully having trouble understanding why people are reading this as an exploit but maybe I need more context
Unpopular opinion, but - this edition ruined Kasrkin for me. Last edition they had a simple but powerful rule that I didn't have to think too hard about but still had to be strategic with. Now we get these watered down guard orders. They were my favourite team and I'll likely never play them again.
@@CanYouRollaCrit I'm not going to argue since you know the game far better than me, but I fail to see what makes this team interesting now, it's just another variety of Vet guard.
@@flameski_ I agree with you. The Elite Points is what made Kasrkins fun in my book. They're still okay, but I don't enjoy playing them as much anymore. More fun? Definitely not. Unless you're playing against them and wreck their shit easily
![[Kill Team] Kasrkin - как играть? (ремастер 03.10.23)](/img/1.gif)
Hype
It's Kasrkining time 👀
@@CanYouRollaCrit NO, SERGEANT, NO!
Hey, just wanted to say - THANK YOU. Really appreciate you taking the time to write, produce and present these reviews.
No worries, thanks for watching (:
The fact this is one box cheers me up and moves it closer to the top of the pile
Yeah nice it still is (:
i got this recently and unless i did something wrong, you CANT build all variations straight out of the box. There is not enough torsos as far as i remember, or legs. I had to make a choice which gunners i make before. Spreadsheet lists 12 Kasrkin, but parts allow you to build 10.
@ Oh I went with plasma, melta only I think.
4 minutes 11 seconds until you mentioned the inquisition exploit
I'm actually seriously considering getting this team right after I finish work.
Lore note, lasguns are not actually silent! There's a crack of superheated air when they're fired and the distinctive smell of ozone, so you'd both hear and smell that sniper if he takes a shot.
Oh nice!
Yeah but the Blooded one is the same weapon and is permanently silent 😅
@@CanYouRollaCritstandard GW consistency 😂
Ah! It's silent for one shot, because he gives away his position
Good luck with that. They are pretty much sold out everywhere (at least in the UK) until the reboxed set comes out.
In lore kasrkin actually do employ “silencers” for their guns. Idk how it works, but it is mentioned in either the codex or shadowvaults book I can’t remember
Yay I can play my Kasrkin again without feeling bad about the Elite Point mechanic!
And now they're more fun too haha
My dkok grenadair minis and I are excited for this one :)
Nice (:
dkok got me bricked up.
Same same.
Now this is the one I was looking forward to
You'll enjoy it 👀
@@CanYouRollaCritindeed, I still think they are gonna absolutely slap with their team rule+the AP1 on crits thing. An entire team with AP1 on EVERYTHING in an edition that has low to no AP is nuts. Not sure if they would be better in inquisition really, since you do switch some kasrkin out for odd agents right? I'm not entirely sure why they would be better in inquisition?
I like everything about this team now. I think they're going to be my main team
Oh nice that's great to hear!
Ah my favorite models! Kinda sad I lost elite points but looking forward for new style of play :) Thanks again for guides!
They're a lot more fun now
@@CanYouRollaCrit yeah when I was watching I already cut one soldier gun aand create volley gun :D Now Im ready! But cant decide if focus onScions or Karskins… I love them both
Just played new Kasrkin, 3+ helps a lot, melta obliterates marines. hot-shot volley gun is great too, best comms in the game, demo guy is ok. Ploys, equip and faction ability are fine too. Still was tabled by Angels 10-17, secure, champion(tac op main) vs overrun(kill op main). Any suggestions?
I'd probably go security vs elites tbh
@@CanYouRollaCrit got same feeling, thanks for the video!
Played 2 games against Angels last saturday and it was my first time playing Kill Team. Had a LOT of fun with this team. I like that it emphasizes on shooting and covering fire, instead of "COWABUNGA IT IS"
The look on the friends face who thought that he can easily go in-melee with kasrkins and wipe them was priceless, when he realised that effectively he is trading 1 marine for 1 Kasrkin due to how much firepower they can dish out. I lost 1 game and we had a draw on 2nd (on 2nd he decided that going full melee is a bad idea xD).
Demo trooper is imo GREAT for area denial. Melta mine can 1shot a marine.
Volley Gun paired with medic behind it is hillarious combo. Put a sharpshooter or melta close by for covering fire if someone wants to go close and its a menace.
The edition broke before the guard did.
Eh it's not really broken
If i want to inlcude a Sharpshooter in the team what's the optimal squad then (from one box)? Is demo-trooper good enough to take him ?
Was Seize the Initiative always used at the end of the Firefight phase? You have to commit the CP before you've seen the initiative roll?
No, you have to use it in advance now which is wild
@@CanYouRollaCrit I suppose there are times in advance where you know "I really need initiative going into the next TP", but it'll feel bad using it and then rolling a 6.
If I had to only do one, would a Sergeant with las pistol and chain sword be better or a sergeant with plasma pistol and power weapon? You said the hot shot pistol is better for proking abilities, but that you would always go chainsword and plasma.
Nah plasma and chainsword leader is best
So maybe a stupid question but please forgive me since i'm a complete newbie to kill team; but does the faction equipment count for every one of the operatives? i dont fully understand if "friendly kasrkin" counts for the one with the equipment or for everyone in the kill team
Yeah generally all equipment applied to every operative unless otherwise specified (:
@@CanYouRollaCrit thanks a lot! :D
My compendium scions live on in the karsrkin rules.
Just put them on 32s aha
@CanYouRollaCrit aren't they 28mm bases?
@DoomStarRequiem oh yeah 28mms 😅😅😅😅😅
I want this team just based on how cool the models are. Rules seem solid for a small brain casual player like me too.
Yeah that's a great reason to play!
The energy snipers not being silent after the first shot makes some sense; there's a big red laser beam pointing to where they're at every time they shoot. Giving all the snipers heavy and a mobile profile makes it feel like they're designed to just get one big shot per battle, so I think I'd have rather their profile with silent be a one off rather than only the FIRST shot they take.
The issue is some energy snipers are perma silent
So for the sergeant load out you initially said you'd always take the hot shot las pistol and power sword but then later in the video you said you'd always build them with a plasma pistol and chainsword. Which do you actually recommend?
Plasma in general, recommended Laspistol if you took the Power Weapon over bolt pistol
LETS GO! :D
Its liveee
Will there likely be a lighter box to the hive storm one , similar to last edition starter without all terrain etc ?
Probably?
Here's my question, how do they compare to the Tempestus Aquilons?
The two teams are very much alike in appearance and I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the comparison.
I think these are better than Aquilons imo
@@CanYouRollaCrit Any particular reason?
"Laugh and grow fat."
Funny. We always refer to my Demo-Trooper as "Fatman".
He just likes wine
I spent the week end kitbashing these guys from tau kits (breachers + pathfiders + a xv15 for the volley gunner), hope I didn't waste (way too much) time 😂
Oooh they sound great
So on the recon unit, i dont see that it reads differentlyfor the kasrkin than when its used for inquisitorialagents. So i dont see where the unit is better for one team than the other. The issue as I see it is, it gets to use a kasrkin strategic ploy, even though it's a kasrkin, while being used in inquisitorial agents. The ploy isn't any more powerful for either team, as it activates the same way for both, it's that it is avaliable to the other team at all that is the issue? So the unit gives both teams and boost, but neither is a better boost than the other
It gives Inq a 5th free strat ploy that also works on all their more powerful units, so they can dash up melee units as well as stuff like meltas and plasma etc so it is better because you have more offensive pieces that get free mobility
if only they were available ....
rebox must be incomming before christmas
They are pretty common in the wild here, but a rebox would be nice.
Yeah rebox soon hopefully
Where?
Can I buy them? not on the games workshop store
They'll be up when reboxed
Nice video do you think they nerfed snipers too hard? It feels like you dont want to take them most of the time
It's fine, just sucks when some snipers have permanent super conceal
I am a bit confused about how the recon trooper gets you 4 free cp if you cant use relocate turning point 1? Wouldn't that be only 3 cp?
Yeah 3 aha 😅
How large is the melta mine token? is it at least as large as the models base? Couldn't you place it under yourself and just stand there shooting, anything that charges you gets hit and you take no damage
Nah all tokens are 20mm
How's the flamer gunner? I was really hoping flamers would make a comeback in the new edition, at least against hordes, but you not mentioning it at all doesn't give me much hope.
Nah it's not really worth it imo
I don't understand why you say that the Recon Trooper is better in Inquisition. Maybe there's some subtleties I don't get with the Inquisitoral team, but on paper, the rule looks the same. He can Relocate for free, including two more operatives (Kasrkin or Inquisition) that are within 3" of him. But he always has to be the target of the free Relocation ploy.
I'll copy/paste again:
- Gives Inq a 5th free strategy ploy
- Works on all the Inq operatives so lets them push up their melee and other threats up for free
The ploy is not balanced working around with Inq operatives. In Kasrkin its fine
@@CanYouRollaCrit I'll have to read the inquisition rules I guess. Nobody in my immediate group of friends play 'em.
The damage those gun butts do is sk funny thematically, like wow only 1 damage less than their guns in some cases, I get it's like that for rules sake but thinking about it is funny
Laser slightly better than butts
My sharpshooter ☹️
Yeah not that great anymore
how is the ploy 'better' in IA? you've said that in two vidoes but its literally just the same.
Because it works on all the Inq operatives and gives them a 5th Strategy ploy for free
@@CanYouRollaCrit 'you cannot use that ploy with an inquisitorial agent kill team unless this operative is selected' reads as only the trooper, not the entire IA team to me, I’m respectfully having trouble understanding why people are reading this as an exploit but maybe I need more context
Becuase the Kasrkin Keyword is replaced with Inquisitorial Agent keyword so it affects all Inq operatives
Your outro doesn't really work anymore, since half the teams get access to severe 🙃
Still gotta roll 😭
yikes, nearly missed this
Glad you didn't!
novitiate review waitng room
Soon 👀
Played them at a tournament Saturday and they do not feel like elite hunters at all
Oh interesting to have a release day tournament
@@CanYouRollaCrit yeah it was had extra time per round and we were all learning the new team rules
I love how strained your voice gets every time you mention IA
It hurts
Unpopular opinion, but - this edition ruined Kasrkin for me. Last edition they had a simple but powerful rule that I didn't have to think too hard about but still had to be strategic with. Now we get these watered down guard orders. They were my favourite team and I'll likely never play them again.
That's a shame too hear as they're actually really good now as EP were a toxic and bad mechanic
@@CanYouRollaCrit I'm not going to argue since you know the game far better than me, but I fail to see what makes this team interesting now, it's just another variety of Vet guard.
@@flameski_ I agree with you. The Elite Points is what made Kasrkins fun in my book. They're still okay, but I don't enjoy playing them as much anymore. More fun? Definitely not. Unless you're playing against them and wreck their shit easily
More flexibility with skill at arms and leader, more synergy overall instead of just "more gun" with elite points which we just a bad crutch