Ian seems to be a real decent bloke, I've only recently discovered him but he's rapidly become my favourite lore youtuber. I wish more people had the same mentality of presenting the lore as is, not glossing over the changes and flaws, or twisting it to suit a "my faction is good" mentality.
What I loved about watching this interaction was that at no point Ian seemed to be pushing an agenda. He was genuinely interested in what everyone else was saying. Too many conversations are one person waiting for the other person to shut up so they can talk.
He’s awesome. He had a really good video about fandom toxicity and the influence of creators (called, a little misleadingly, “why people love to hate the primarus marines”). He is a passionate fan who doesn’t tie his personality into his enjoyment of the hobby and lore
I love how the Badab war just feels like a really fleshed out players campaign. Almost like the origin story for a bunch of players OC chapters. It's a story that really uses the world, how 40k should be IMO.
That’s how a lot of lore came around. Especially named characters. The writers had characters do cool stuff in their games and they turned them into playable characters
My friends and I are getting ready for a nice long Badab war campaign. Little do they know, I've been secretly building a Minotaurs army and a Lamenters army. Springing surprise builds on each other is part of our great fun. ❤
Absolutely adore the guy's content. Easy, calm voice to listen to, EXTREMELY well researched, talks about both in universe and out of universe elements of lore and detail, and retains the sense that this is a wargame to be played for fun and interest in the way one most prefers.
Ian is just a crazy good content creator. Knew him our time in the sulphur extraction industry - dude knew how to crack rocks and talk talk talk. Love him to death - keep up the good work mate.
Ian is honestly one of the best people in the hobby. I saw him at Bad Moon and he was totally chill to chat for a while about his word bearers and all the models he’d brought. Such a sweetheart ❤️
Ian is one of the most down to earth and soothing Lorehammers out there, he also treats the information as it is, fluff to have fun in a game, love how there is real world context in his research too
I love Ian's lore videos, they are just deep enough to get it, without being a multiple hour long going into every bit like other channels are doing. Also Tale of four wargamers is always a treat.
Loved the Ciaphas Cain talk, love that series. My favourite running joke is when he's fighting World Eaters and everyone replies to the usual Khorne blood cry with "well he's not having mine...", to the point where Cain repeatedly hears it on the other side of the radio.
Great interview and seems a top guy. Loved the randomness question of the deep dive into the humanity of the Emperor to what's your favourite thing to pickle
I appreciate what he’s saying about undoing the shoddy lore that memes have created. As an Ork fanatic, I feel the “power of imagination” thing is overblown and misunderstood. It triggers the same nerd rage as when people say “Rivendale” 😂
The very best parts of 40k lore are the gaps. All the things we aren't told leave the imagination to wander and makes the entire setting seem bigger than it is, and it's already big. In addition, the lore leaves an excuse for every faction to be fighting every faction, even themselves, so never is there a match up on the table that can't be explained narratively by the lore. Oh and it's grimdark!
I love the Cain books, like when he refers to the Battle Sisters as "psalm-singing harpies". And I'm sure I haven't got all of the Easter eggs yet, my favourite is the planet Nusquam Funamentibus, or "ar*e end of nowhere"... And the planet Gravalax has the city Mayoh, which you eat the fish with, etc.
Message for Pat: If you enjoy the Caiphas Cain books, you might enjoy an older series of books called "Flashman". The character, Harry Flashman, is a posh British Army officer who is wonderfully inept and bimbles his way through adventure. A similar story recipe.
@@ArbitorIan ah, it deserved it. Also loved to hear your story of how every Christmas and Birthday was another big box game - I'm the same age as you and that very much mirrored my experience too! I only wish I'd kept that copy of Titan Legions!
Has to be my favourite episode yet listing in my van laughing my head off "The Emperor is just a single dad trying his hardest bringing the kids up on his own" had me in stitches!!! Keep up the good work. Simon aged 48 and three quarters
The chat about competitive 40k was so on point: in 10th edition ‘meta’ armies are so much more obvious and easy to identify. ‘Simplified not simply’ has meant that the meta has just become more lopsided, and the toughness creep hasn’t helped either. The chunkiest, shootiest models are right there for everyone to see and there’s no point in taking anything else, because it will just melt.
I audibly gasped when I saw this thumbnail. Been such a a fan of his since day one. I'll throw on a Painting Phase conversation every Monday at work, but it's always a nice surprise when your guest is someone I'm also a big fan of.
I loved the forge world books for helping promote the sense of scale Ian talks about, but really feel the more recent focus on a few special characters (*cough* primarchs *cough*) is strangely making it feel a lot smaller
Random thought but on scattering primarchs- I think Magnus did it when he sent the message to warn terra, but in timey-wimey warp disruption him trying to warn terra actually caused the scattering as well as everything else. 1:44:48
I can confirm that vegan tins of sausage and beans do exist. Suma do them, at the very least; they tend to be available in Co-op Food stores. I haven't seen any bigger brands do vegan ones yet.
One of my favourite RUclipsrs for Lore (and in general as he seems like a decent person) on one of my favourite channels for podcast content. Great stuff.
It’s interesting the tendency for Warhammer channels to end up dabbling in all parts of the hobby. Feels like a good representation of the hobby itself. I started watching Ian’s videos, branched out to the novels, and am buying my first models this season and hope to play tabletop soon after. Great podcast, guys!
Gonna also get in on 'saddest Gaunts Ghosts moment' vibe. I know Geoff mentioned the nalwood coffin, but the miracle scene in the pool was mine by a long way. 'MAKE HIM BETTER!' made me cry like a baby, bit of a different bus ride to work that day! 😂
@@stewartriley4690 Sorry for doing that to you, but wow was it powerful. If there's one thing Dan does so well in the Ghosts series, it's 'compound tragedy'.
I love during patreon questions that it looks like Peachy is completely disinterested and just scrolling on his phone (yes we know he's reading the questions!)
Cracking episode and interview. Ian's passion really comes through and is very inspiring, especially for an old lag like myself. Badab War should be the next books BTW. Or TV animation ... Cavill as Huron...
I enjoy “pretending” to take the lore seriously. Almost as a mental exercise to immerse myself in the setting and have fun with it. Yes obviously it’s ridiculous and silly but then you accept that and try to rationalize how it somehow could be accurate and enjoy your world building and painting with that mindset. I find that fun personally. Like I am a person who enjoys researching exactly how to make an “accurate” paint job for a space marine chapter for in universe lore
Thanks for another great interview and introducing me to another great content creator that I wasn't aware of! Oh and by the way, you guys should get Greg Dan on, he's a great chap
Marketing for a toy soldier game that totally works! I watched a Hammer & Bolter episode and immediately thought “shit I guess I need to buy Cursed City now.” 😂
Really enjoyed that, as usual - thanks guys. Yeah I was really interested by Ian's take on the presentation of Space Marines around about the point of the Black Templar thing and them needing to perhaps be presented as less heroic, as it's a little bit similar to my opinion (and it's all just opinions of course). Basically, yes, everyone IS the baddies, but the Space Marines are unambiguously presented as the POV "heroes" for the setting. That can be a bit of a problem as for a setting, "everyone is bad" is brilliant. As a narrative device, perhaps not so much as it's human nature to associate correctitude or "good guy" status with a POV character. Ian also touched on the influences of 2000 A.D. - particularly Judge Dredd - on 40k and this is absolutely correct. While of course not on the same galactic scale, perhaps, nor quite as OTT, the Dredd setting is a horrible, authoritarian dystopian nightmare. The difference is, while being a bad-ass who the criminals are terrified of, and while still having to work within the strictures of such a horrible world, Dredd still has a moral core. Relative to a lot of other Judges and the society he lives in, he's actually a bit of a softie. In the film, even, instead of giving the homeless guy time in an iso-cube, he gives him 5 minutes to move on precisely because he realises the world he lives in is horrible, the fact that being homeless is a crime worthy of punishment is ridiculous, and he uses what little agency he has to try and make a small amount of difference. You don't really get that part with Space Marines. All that to say, I really don't think grim dark of 40k would be diminished by EITHER showing the Space Marines as being dicks more often (and saying so in an explicit manner) OR having them use their brains - yes the setting's horrible, but at least some of them have the capability to think "maybe *this particular* genocide we've been ordered to do isn't actually helping humanity in the big picture - perhaps we won't" and push that as the heroism angle if that's what you want them to be rather than how good they are at just killing things. In terms of the grim dark, it would just be drops in a bucket against the unending horror, but it would allow a tiny little bit of hope, without which is kind of hard to care - if the dial's always at 11, then nothing really matters. Of course that's somewhat the point of the setting - to be ridiculous and OTT and that works as a wargame setting, but for me personally, it kind of doesn't work in terms of story telling - just my opinion of course and millions clearly disagree!
I always wanted Black Templars to go full NO NEVER over Primaris, stay Firstborn only, and become borderline renegade in believing Guilliman a false prophet since he messed with the "Emperor's geneseed". That woulda made them more unique, still using older kit, and turbo fanatical all the more than before in a more obvious horrific way.
I like to imagine I'm one of the guys glasses of water. I can't think, feel or experience life in any way. I no longer feel guilty about buying the flesh eater courts box. I am at peace. Great video guys!!!!!!!!!
Good video, nice amount of subjects that you bounced around. I really need to try that idea about placing cheese players in their own enclosure. I have been thinking of running a local heresy event for a while and that gave me more motivation for it.
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Ian seems to be a real decent bloke, I've only recently discovered him but he's rapidly become my favourite lore youtuber. I wish more people had the same mentality of presenting the lore as is, not glossing over the changes and flaws, or twisting it to suit a "my faction is good" mentality.
Also his whole "this is where it gets a bit murky" where he goes through all the versions of that event that have been lore
What I loved about watching this interaction was that at no point Ian seemed to be pushing an agenda. He was genuinely interested in what everyone else was saying. Too many conversations are one person waiting for the other person to shut up so they can talk.
He’s awesome. He had a really good video about fandom toxicity and the influence of creators (called, a little misleadingly, “why people love to hate the primarus marines”). He is a passionate fan who doesn’t tie his personality into his enjoyment of the hobby and lore
I like how Geoff next to Ian gives some sense of the difference in size between a Space Marine and a regular human.
Met Ian at the Manchester Warhammerfest and it was by far the most genuine and enjoyable “influencer” interaction I had that weekend. Top bloke.
I love how the Badab war just feels like a really fleshed out players campaign. Almost like the origin story for a bunch of players OC chapters. It's a story that really uses the world, how 40k should be IMO.
That’s how a lot of lore came around. Especially named characters. The writers had characters do cool stuff in their games and they turned them into playable characters
My friends and I are getting ready for a nice long Badab war campaign. Little do they know, I've been secretly building a Minotaurs army and a Lamenters army. Springing surprise builds on each other is part of our great fun. ❤
Absolutely adore the guy's content. Easy, calm voice to listen to, EXTREMELY well researched, talks about both in universe and out of universe elements of lore and detail, and retains the sense that this is a wargame to be played for fun and interest in the way one most prefers.
Ian is just a crazy good content creator. Knew him our time in the sulphur extraction industry - dude knew how to crack rocks and talk talk talk. Love him to death - keep up the good work mate.
Has Pat been subjected to the legal technicality known as 'The Santa Clause'?
Ian is honestly one of the best people in the hobby. I saw him at Bad Moon and he was totally chill to chat for a while about his word bearers and all the models he’d brought. Such a sweetheart ❤️
Ian is one of the most down to earth and soothing Lorehammers out there, he also treats the information as it is, fluff to have fun in a game, love how there is real world context in his research too
I love Ian's lore videos, they are just deep enough to get it, without being a multiple hour long going into every bit like other channels are doing. Also Tale of four wargamers is always a treat.
Book club is the highlight for me :) it’s all great stuff though
I've loved Ian's content for the past two years. Cant wait to watch this in its entirety.
Ian's videos on the history of necromunda were great and really beneficial to my group doing a 1995 necromunda campaign.
Loved the Ciaphas Cain talk, love that series.
My favourite running joke is when he's fighting World Eaters and everyone replies to the usual Khorne blood cry with "well he's not having mine...", to the point where Cain repeatedly hears it on the other side of the radio.
Really enjoyed Ian’s thoughts on the different ways that RUclips channels approach getting clicks. This was a fantastic chat as always. Great job guys
Yeh all us late 70s, early 80s kids has a nostalgia feel for the old stuff we had as kids. Lovely ep as always
Great interview and seems a top guy.
Loved the randomness question of the deep dive into the humanity of the Emperor to what's your favourite thing to pickle
Good to see Ian on the Podcast. Lovely bloke 😁
I love Ian and Mira's book club videos! I also like the rest of their content as well, I should say. Excited to see him here!
On being an Ian, I grew up in the uk till I was 25 and knew 1 other Ian the whole time. I then moved to NZ and the buggers are everywhere.
Really enjoyed this one! Arbiter Ian is the most reasonable man in 40K.
That should be his tag line!
It's a toss up between that or "Lovely, sensible Arbiter Ian."
Arbitor Ian on the Painting Phase couch. My monday is made. Great stuff!
Calling myself out but I’ve watched Ian’s Badab War video probably 12 times!
I appreciate what he’s saying about undoing the shoddy lore that memes have created. As an Ork fanatic, I feel the “power of imagination” thing is overblown and misunderstood. It triggers the same nerd rage as when people say “Rivendale” 😂
The very best parts of 40k lore are the gaps. All the things we aren't told leave the imagination to wander and makes the entire setting seem bigger than it is, and it's already big. In addition, the lore leaves an excuse for every faction to be fighting every faction, even themselves, so never is there a match up on the table that can't be explained narratively by the lore. Oh and it's grimdark!
I loved that video of Ians about building that ship interior.
ARBITOR IAN!!
Fantastic to see him on TPP.
I love the Cain books, like when he refers to the Battle Sisters as "psalm-singing harpies". And I'm sure I haven't got all of the Easter eggs yet, my favourite is the planet Nusquam Funamentibus, or "ar*e end of nowhere"... And the planet Gravalax has the city Mayoh, which you eat the fish with, etc.
Another amazing episodes guys, thank you. You're making Monday's a highlight of the week!
I'm not into musicals, but... I would wait in line to see a performance of "Chorus Heresy"!
Oh, very good 👏
Fantastic to see another Ian
20:36 is a great observation on how satire isn’t dead in 40K
Message for Pat: If you enjoy the Caiphas Cain books, you might enjoy an older series of books called "Flashman". The character, Harry Flashman, is a posh British Army officer who is wonderfully inept and bimbles his way through adventure. A similar story recipe.
Flashman is great.
I am so excited to watch this episode. Ian's content is fantastic and has really helped me appreciate so much more lore of the setting than before 😊😊😊
Glad to be part of the team that watched this
So glad someone advocates that there has been changes lots of them. People say that there are no retcons etc talking utter nonsense.
The crossover I've been waiting for! 😁 Christmas comes early!
Sees Ian in thumbnail, Scrambles to get earbuds to listen to during the work day.
I came for the podcast but didn't catch a word because I was distracted by PATRICK'S GLORIOUS BEARD.
😂 it is a thing of majesty
By total chance I watched Ians Badab video the other day.
Seeing this pop up today is an awesome coincidence!
Arbiter Ian is almost single-handedly responsible for my pile of shame.
I apologise to your wallet
@@ArbitorIan ah, it deserved it.
Also loved to hear your story of how every Christmas and Birthday was another big box game - I'm the same age as you and that very much mirrored my experience too! I only wish I'd kept that copy of Titan Legions!
My favourite ever Cain easter egg was Captain Manring of the PDF, along with Franka and Jaq. Blatant Dads army reference.
Has to be my favourite episode yet listing in my van laughing my head off "The Emperor is just a single dad trying his hardest bringing the kids up on his own" had me in stitches!!! Keep up the good work. Simon aged 48 and three quarters
I am actually in love with Patrick's jumper. Thats feckin awesome!
YASSS!! The Anphelion Project was awesome. The Elysian D99 were so cool!! Can't wait for your vid Arbitor Ian!
The chat about competitive 40k was so on point: in 10th edition ‘meta’ armies are so much more obvious and easy to identify. ‘Simplified not simply’ has meant that the meta has just become more lopsided, and the toughness creep hasn’t helped either. The chunkiest, shootiest models are right there for everyone to see and there’s no point in taking anything else, because it will just melt.
I audibly gasped when I saw this thumbnail. Been such a a fan of his since day one. I'll throw on a Painting Phase conversation every Monday at work, but it's always a nice surprise when your guest is someone I'm also a big fan of.
Ian is the best, love watching his content.
Great! Been waiting for this interview!
Two of the best Warhammer channels out there in the one spot. Been waiting for this one. Keep up the great work!
Finally I was waiting for this one to eventually come around.
My two favourite RUclips channels combined! Yea! Love this.
I loved the forge world books for helping promote the sense of scale Ian talks about, but really feel the more recent focus on a few special characters (*cough* primarchs *cough*) is strangely making it feel a lot smaller
Random thought but on scattering primarchs- I think Magnus did it when he sent the message to warn terra, but in timey-wimey warp disruption him trying to warn terra actually caused the scattering as well as everything else. 1:44:48
Laughed out loud straight at Patrick's intro. What the bloody hell is that shirt, and where can I get one?
I can confirm that vegan tins of sausage and beans do exist. Suma do them, at the very least; they tend to be available in Co-op Food stores. I haven't seen any bigger brands do vegan ones yet.
One of my favourite RUclipsrs for Lore (and in general as he seems like a decent person) on one of my favourite channels for podcast content. Great stuff.
Everyone's army in the 90s - A big centerpiece model and the 5 pound plastics... Yep. Forest dragon and wood elf archers! ^_^
It’s interesting the tendency for Warhammer channels to end up dabbling in all parts of the hobby. Feels like a good representation of the hobby itself. I started watching Ian’s videos, branched out to the novels, and am buying my first models this season and hope to play tabletop soon after. Great podcast, guys!
Some hearty laughs to be had on this episode. Thanks for the dialogue while I was building some forgeworld over here!
Gonna also get in on 'saddest Gaunts Ghosts moment' vibe.
I know Geoff mentioned the nalwood coffin, but the miracle scene in the pool was mine by a long way.
'MAKE HIM BETTER!' made me cry like a baby, bit of a different bus ride to work that day! 😂
That is such an emotional scene that I had repressed for a bit. Your comment has unlocked it and now I'm crying at the kitchen table
@@stewartriley4690 Sorry for doing that to you, but wow was it powerful.
If there's one thing Dan does so well in the Ghosts series, it's 'compound tragedy'.
Best Christmas present ever. All my favourite hobby RUclips people in one room. Time to put the kids to bed and grab a drink and a snack!
😆👍
A Horus Heresy Chorus Line - so quick, Ian must have thought about this before 😂
I love during patreon questions that it looks like Peachy is completely disinterested and just scrolling on his phone (yes we know he's reading the questions!)
Ciaphas Cain and Jurgen are blackadder and baldrick. Change my mind!
Come for the hobby. Stay for the puppy 😂❤
Finally! The Crossover i have been waiting for for a long time
That's the saddest looking Christmas tree I've ever seen
its got 2 boxes of leviathan to work on, its tired
The "sure as sure" got me.. Just finished that book this morning 😢
The most hated of guardsmen!
Well worth the listen.
Cheers.
Literally the collab I’ve always wanted. I wish you guys were in my gaming club.
I remember the metal bins at Warhammer world, and I remember getting the cost of my models out of my wage packet. It was such a fun pic and mix.
Awesome guest to have on, love you all! :D
Just twigged how the tree is decorated :D
Great guest
Cracking episode and interview. Ian's passion really comes through and is very inspiring, especially for an old lag like myself.
Badab War should be the next books BTW. Or TV animation ... Cavill as Huron...
Oh and great shout out for Greg Dann. Imperial Truth is fantastic.
Ian is fantastic.
I enjoy “pretending” to take the lore seriously. Almost as a mental exercise to immerse myself in the setting and have fun with it. Yes obviously it’s ridiculous and silly but then you accept that and try to rationalize how it somehow could be accurate and enjoy your world building and painting with that mindset. I find that fun personally. Like I am a person who enjoys researching exactly how to make an “accurate” paint job for a space marine chapter for in universe lore
Anphelion was one of the best IA volumes ever, it was great following it in White Dwarf then buying the IA Volume along with my Noise Dread from FW.
lovely chat, enjoyed this!
Legend has it that if you remove all the "like" said during this episode, the video is only 20 minutes long.
I say this to Pat but apparently ‘it’s too much editing’!
All I want for Christmas is one of those desk buttons - and everytime I press it I get a 'Yeah' from Ian.
Thanks for another great interview and introducing me to another great content creator that I wasn't aware of! Oh and by the way, you guys should get Greg Dan on, he's a great chap
Marketing for a toy soldier game that totally works!
I watched a Hammer & Bolter episode and immediately thought “shit I guess I need to buy Cursed City now.” 😂
Comment for the Great Algo. Will listen later, and. I'm in no doubt this will great.
@ Peachy! All the Anphelion Project terrain is now available as 3D prints and sculpts :)
Another great show. Never seen any of Ian's videos, but will be checking them out.
And a sausage dinner is three sausages.
seeing these temporary titles makes me feel like I have stolen pats memory drive and I am looking at his secret stuff that I shouldn't be
Had the chance to meet Arbitor Ian at Griffcon along with Peachy, All I can say is they are great guys.
😘😘😘
I literally gasped when I saw this in my feed. Awesome.
Really enjoyed that, as usual - thanks guys. Yeah I was really interested by Ian's take on the presentation of Space Marines around about the point of the Black Templar thing and them needing to perhaps be presented as less heroic, as it's a little bit similar to my opinion (and it's all just opinions of course). Basically, yes, everyone IS the baddies, but the Space Marines are unambiguously presented as the POV "heroes" for the setting. That can be a bit of a problem as for a setting, "everyone is bad" is brilliant. As a narrative device, perhaps not so much as it's human nature to associate correctitude or "good guy" status with a POV character.
Ian also touched on the influences of 2000 A.D. - particularly Judge Dredd - on 40k and this is absolutely correct. While of course not on the same galactic scale, perhaps, nor quite as OTT, the Dredd setting is a horrible, authoritarian dystopian nightmare. The difference is, while being a bad-ass who the criminals are terrified of, and while still having to work within the strictures of such a horrible world, Dredd still has a moral core. Relative to a lot of other Judges and the society he lives in, he's actually a bit of a softie. In the film, even, instead of giving the homeless guy time in an iso-cube, he gives him 5 minutes to move on precisely because he realises the world he lives in is horrible, the fact that being homeless is a crime worthy of punishment is ridiculous, and he uses what little agency he has to try and make a small amount of difference. You don't really get that part with Space Marines.
All that to say, I really don't think grim dark of 40k would be diminished by EITHER showing the Space Marines as being dicks more often (and saying so in an explicit manner) OR having them use their brains - yes the setting's horrible, but at least some of them have the capability to think "maybe *this particular* genocide we've been ordered to do isn't actually helping humanity in the big picture - perhaps we won't" and push that as the heroism angle if that's what you want them to be rather than how good they are at just killing things. In terms of the grim dark, it would just be drops in a bucket against the unending horror, but it would allow a tiny little bit of hope, without which is kind of hard to care - if the dial's always at 11, then nothing really matters. Of course that's somewhat the point of the setting - to be ridiculous and OTT and that works as a wargame setting, but for me personally, it kind of doesn't work in terms of story telling - just my opinion of course and millions clearly disagree!
I always wanted Black Templars to go full NO NEVER over Primaris, stay Firstborn only, and become borderline renegade in believing Guilliman a false prophet since he messed with the "Emperor's geneseed". That woulda made them more unique, still using older kit, and turbo fanatical all the more than before in a more obvious horrific way.
@@Retrosicotte That's a pretty cool idea for them certainly!
@@Retrosicotte Go ahead and do it, no one's stopping you, it's "you're dudes."
Bloody Hell! Arbitor Ian! 💥🙂👍🍻
It's funny hearing y'all talking about renegades and heretics while I'm literally painting up a traitor commissar for my renegade army.
I like to imagine I'm one of the guys glasses of water. I can't think, feel or experience life in any way. I no longer feel guilty about buying the flesh eater courts box. I am at peace. Great video guys!!!!!!!!!
Another great guest and episode
Loving the Pegging Tree .
Now I really want to hear Primarchs at Ullanor, the musical…
I’m so happy this is a thing
I love Patrick's shirt
Good video, nice amount of subjects that you bounced around. I really need to try that idea about placing cheese players in their own enclosure. I have been thinking of running a local heresy event for a while and that gave me more motivation for it.
The musical stage performance should be named "The Chorus Heresy"