All Space Marines (in the now-previous edition and the new edition) are 6-man 'elite' teams on the board. You have a 'roster' of 10 and you pick 6 to take. They also say in the Kill Team '24 announcement that all 'unclassified' teams that leave Kill Team will move to 40K. The Elucidian Starstriders and Inquisitorial Agents have already been moved to 40K and the Gellerpox only have Legends rules in 40K. Finally, with regards to 'why would they put two boxes on the shelf where one is better', they already do this with T'au Pathfinders.
we are tight to warhammer because of lore. there is just so much background story to dive in there. no one else has so much world and universe built around miniature wargames
I love the minis because of the aesthetic, but even more so because of the lore. It's not just a beautiful mini, it's a window into a story, a character, and you can often find loads of lore details on Warhammer minis if you know where to look. A little bit of correction about Kill Team : you don't play with 10 marines, you play with 6, semi-elite like mandrakes or Aspect Warriors go by 8, and horde factions, like guard or cultists can go up to 14-15 minis.
Boarding Actions is more of a drop in any edition and get going. It has the rules for each faction inside, separate from the codex, so you could say, get away with just buying the Datasheet Cards.
As for the app updating with the rules... it's only partly. See for instance, how one of the rules of the newest dataslate just changed every ability that either gives CP discounts, or made stratagems more expensive. The rule is there... but every individual datasheet didn't change. So if you look at what the Hive Tyrant says in the datasheet in the app, and what the Hive Tyrant does, they are actually different.
They could do like they do with Old World and much of the Horus Heresy range and say that the Kill Team factions (or at least boxes) they remove will go in to Warhammer 40K for the units that have rules there, and have them as available as online orders only. It would take up shelf space in the warehouse, but not in the stores.
I haven't played a GW game in years, still buy the minis regularly. (I play OPR, though). Why GW minis? I think they are the best miniatures on the market for hobbying and kitbashing. I love their style, most miniatures are really cool and have the right amount of detail (as opposed to flat surfaces like armor plates etc.). The designs are really good. I know of no 3rd party space marine equivalent that comes close to the original (except the ones that straight out copy GW designs). And they have an amazing consistency. I can mix-n-match a necromunda gang kit, an eldar farseer and cadian shock troops and everything will fit together in terms of size and modeling style. and, they are plastic, which is more convenient for kitbashing.
I imagine theyll be reboxed into 40k boxes, like the rogue trader and the agents of inquisition teams were. Its not really about shelf space and how impossible it is to balance all these different teams.
Boarding Actions book has a QR code for the core rules... so I think you can get away with the free PDF of core rules. But yeah, codexes needed (or the app, or 3rd party alternative).
Great show guys, I understand it’s a war gaming show but would you talk about what Halloween is like in the UK, it’s coming up and as an American I would like to know.
Are you guys still planning on uploading the chat show episodes on Spotify, like listening to them on there is all (for on the go listening) and just noticed the last few are not available. Thanks
GW will never fully embrace digital while codices keep selling like hotcakes. I do like books, but it's incompatible with the 'Live Service' style they are doing for the main line games. I'd like them to release all rules at once at the start of an edition (and all army rules in one book, similar to Old World/Heresy, but one rather than two), you could always do new minis as free pdf's, then when next edition rolls around, add them to the book.
I wonder how much of GW’s fear of giving too much foresight into upcoming releases is because they don’t want to undermine the sales of the miniatures they are replacing? How many Warp Spiders do they have in stock that need shifting before the new ones come out? That said, you’d think they could be a bit more forthcoming with new models rather than replacements because they wouldn’t have to worry about having loads of redundant stock.
@@thepaintingphase and we love him for it. As an aside, I immediately showed this to my partner who now says Patrick is her favourite... Should I be worried?
GW might claim they want secrecy, but right now their reveals are no good, and a vast majority of the reveals are scooped by a certain youtube leaker that is always right. We've even had a full on, picture of an new eldar mini leak. We know which aspect warriors are getting reworked, and we know the exarchs that are getting updated too. We also have very good ideas of which kriegsmen are getting refreshed (and that's a lot of them). But on release parties, we are there for good photographs of models, and we are getting far less of that than usual. We also have no explanation of why we have so few updates in the next 3 months.: Retooling in the factory? Pre-printing of something massive? The rules team spending much of last year making the game good, instead of pre-writing codexes against an edition that didn't exist? The only thing in the next 6 months that isn't leaked is the christmas battleforces (although we should name them November battleforces, as they seem to sell immediately unless they are very bad)
Why is it Warhammer? Because it has the most players, retailers and constant releases. If you are part or join a gaming group, you are most likely to play/pick-up whatever is most popular/prevalent in your community and that tends to be Warhammer (or some other GW game); there is no point in investing into some niche/boutique games that is hard to buy (because distributers don't/can't stock it), has sporadic updates/releases (compared to the constant stream from GW) and very few players; if you want to introduce a new game in your community you have to be the 'ambassador/game master' for it, invest a lot of extra time and effort to attract players and within a year will likely end up with a bunch of books/boxes collecting dust on your shelf as the initial interest wanes down... It is far easier to get into what the local gaming community is already into and that tends to be GW :P
Its the spider thing that impregnates you in alien so they're not the xenomorph, so the xenomorph that comes out of the host could be male or female or both😂
The queen lays the eggs, the eggs contain a facehugger. The facehugger impregnates the host, and then the xenomorph usually violently ruptures out from the host, taking on their traits (humanoid in the case of humans, but then there was dog-like in Alien 3 for example). I don't believe in the Alien fiction, that xenomorphs have any dimorphic traits, they do not reproduce themselves, that's what the queen is for. It's a very inefficient system in terms of energy expenditure just to reproduce, but it is repulsive and weird enough to us as humans to make for good horror.
In answer to Ross's question, "Why is it we are so tied to Warhammer when we see better miniatures from other companies?" I'm not. Recently I've painted an Imperial Knight with additional parts from Taro Modelmaker (before you featured him on the show) and a 1/16 Scale Tiger 1 Early in winter camouflage. My current project is a 1/5 Dalek which will be followed by The Black Sword Display Edition from Mindwork Studios (it's Elric with Stormbringer in 75mm scale based on a painting by Gerald Brom). I still have an interest in what GW produces but I don't believe they are value for money at RRP. This doesn't mean to say I wouldn't buy anything else from them, but I will only buy a mini if it's something exceptional eg the new Skaven Vizzik Skour model or it's something inexpensive I want for a test piece eg The Crimson Court which I'm going to use to practice albino skin on. Perhaps it's an age thing. I'm even older than Geoff 👀 and perhaps not GW's target market. Or it's because I'm immune to their marketing especially their current FOMO approach. Another point I'd like to touch upon is the road maps particularly the 40K one for 2024. We're asking the wrong question. We should be asking is, what happened 18 to 24 months ago which has resulted in no new 40k models for remainder of 2024? Finally, GW became a toy soldier manufacturing company when the original Warhammer game was designed. It was created purely to sell more Citadel Miniatures. This was finalised after the management buyout and hasn't changed since then.
Shouldn't GW be testing their products more before they release them with such high entry costs? Seems a bit scummy to up date all these rules digitally while still selling the physical rules books. It takes so much item and money to build one unit then some guy in a tournament finds a scummy strategy and gets the unit ruined for everyone else in a digital update. It is pretty frustrating, don't want to be a bummer though.
I was watching a Warhammer space. Marine animation on RUclips the other day and got Barbie adverts between it , same when watching other channels that talk about miniatures from the grim darkness whats going on with youtubes ai 😂
It's a good job I'm collecting tau and orks , always loved orks and have a few now and tau should be good in future what with vespid and kroot it does mean I have to rejig my 1000 point tau army. I do however have to put a few dozen pages of rules change in my kill team core rules
Why GW? Because, for me, you’re not just buying miniatures. The whole IP is so engrossing, with enough material that rivals multi-billion pound franchises. I personally think the hobby is best enjoyed when you enjoy at least two of the following: lore, making and painting minis, or the tabletop game. If you’re invested in all three, I’d argue that you get the most out of the hobby, but you also want specific minis to fulfill a very specific criteria, IE I want Space Marines, not Galactic Marines in Space from another company.
Sorry you feel that way Squire, we tried it as two and repeatedly got told the show, felt ‘flat’. I hope Ross grows on you, he’s a lovely chap and gives us his time free of charge, as really wants us to grow. - Geoff
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The hosts remind me of different stages of a pokemon evolution. Patrick evolves into Ross and then into Geoff the final form.
That’s a new way to describe us and I’m bloody here for it! - Geoff
I'm laughing my ass off at the accuracy of this assessment!
😂😂😂 that's brilliant
I sure hope that list includes chaos gate from 1998! That game ate my childhood
May the Beards be with you.
And also with you 🙏
All Space Marines (in the now-previous edition and the new edition) are 6-man 'elite' teams on the board. You have a 'roster' of 10 and you pick 6 to take.
They also say in the Kill Team '24 announcement that all 'unclassified' teams that leave Kill Team will move to 40K. The Elucidian Starstriders and Inquisitorial Agents have already been moved to 40K and the Gellerpox only have Legends rules in 40K.
Finally, with regards to 'why would they put two boxes on the shelf where one is better', they already do this with T'au Pathfinders.
we are tight to warhammer because of lore. there is just so much background story to dive in there. no one else has so much world and universe built around miniature wargames
I approve this message - Pat
I love the minis because of the aesthetic, but even more so because of the lore. It's not just a beautiful mini, it's a window into a story, a character, and you can often find loads of lore details on Warhammer minis if you know where to look.
A little bit of correction about Kill Team : you don't play with 10 marines, you play with 6, semi-elite like mandrakes or Aspect Warriors go by 8, and horde factions, like guard or cultists can go up to 14-15 minis.
Boarding Actions is more of a drop in any edition and get going. It has the rules for each faction inside, separate from the codex, so you could say, get away with just buying the Datasheet Cards.
Patrick does not support spoilers..
But he is looking Forward to them.
😜
As for the app updating with the rules... it's only partly. See for instance, how one of the rules of the newest dataslate just changed every ability that either gives CP discounts, or made stratagems more expensive. The rule is there... but every individual datasheet didn't change. So if you look at what the Hive Tyrant says in the datasheet in the app, and what the Hive Tyrant does, they are actually different.
orks will meld into second part of ork refresh prob into a box with new storm boyz etc and krieg into new krieg army box maybe
52:28 Unless you want to use any Imperial Agents in your army as well - then you need another book now 😂
They could do like they do with Old World and much of the Horus Heresy range and say that the Kill Team factions (or at least boxes) they remove will go in to Warhammer 40K for the units that have rules there, and have them as available as online orders only. It would take up shelf space in the warehouse, but not in the stores.
I haven't played a GW game in years, still buy the minis regularly. (I play OPR, though). Why GW minis? I think they are the best miniatures on the market for hobbying and kitbashing. I love their style, most miniatures are really cool and have the right amount of detail (as opposed to flat surfaces like armor plates etc.). The designs are really good. I know of no 3rd party space marine equivalent that comes close to the original (except the ones that straight out copy GW designs). And they have an amazing consistency. I can mix-n-match a necromunda gang kit, an eldar farseer and cadian shock troops and everything will fit together in terms of size and modeling style. and, they are plastic, which is more convenient for kitbashing.
There had better be some seriously heavy pelting on Wolfguard or I'll be very disappointed.
I imagine theyll be reboxed into 40k boxes, like the rogue trader and the agents of inquisition teams were. Its not really about shelf space and how impossible it is to balance all these different teams.
Boarding Actions book has a QR code for the core rules... so I think you can get away with the free PDF of core rules. But yeah, codexes needed (or the app, or 3rd party alternative).
Could the reason that the new release schedule has slowed be linked to Covid? If you think that they work 3 to 4 years in advance.
Just a thought. :)
That’s a fair shout.
Well I am not a big fan of Emilie in Paris but the grimdark version of the snowman would be awesome
Right?! Inspired
@@thepaintingphase snow for the snow God indeed
Great show guys, I understand it’s a war gaming show but would you talk about what Halloween is like in the UK, it’s coming up and as an American I would like to know.
Are you guys still planning on uploading the chat show episodes on Spotify, like listening to them on there is all (for on the go listening) and just noticed the last few are not available. Thanks
GW will never fully embrace digital while codices keep selling like hotcakes. I do like books, but it's incompatible with the 'Live Service' style they are doing for the main line games. I'd like them to release all rules at once at the start of an edition (and all army rules in one book, similar to Old World/Heresy, but one rather than two), you could always do new minis as free pdf's, then when next edition rolls around, add them to the book.
I wonder how much of GW’s fear of giving too much foresight into upcoming releases is because they don’t want to undermine the sales of the miniatures they are replacing? How many Warp Spiders do they have in stock that need shifting before the new ones come out?
That said, you’d think they could be a bit more forthcoming with new models rather than replacements because they wouldn’t have to worry about having loads of redundant stock.
I was watching a Warhammer space. Marine animation on RUclips the other day
I think it's hilarious that nowadays people are offended that there AREN'T nipples on a model.
Ross's befuddlement compares to Bob Newhart having someone explain baseball to him.
His befuddlement is s my new favourite thing - Geoff
@Geoff, would that font be Monotype Corsiva? Good choice. ;-)
A Man of good taste.
It took one minute for all of Patrice's man points to disappear when he said he'd been watching Emily in Paris... 😂
He’s still manly, he just adores High Fashion, romance and of course Paris!
@@thepaintingphase and we love him for it. As an aside, I immediately showed this to my partner who now says Patrick is her favourite...
Should I be worried?
@@ElAhremYes, he’s a right player!
GW might claim they want secrecy, but right now their reveals are no good, and a vast majority of the reveals are scooped by a certain youtube leaker that is always right. We've even had a full on, picture of an new eldar mini leak. We know which aspect warriors are getting reworked, and we know the exarchs that are getting updated too. We also have very good ideas of which kriegsmen are getting refreshed (and that's a lot of them). But on release parties, we are there for good photographs of models, and we are getting far less of that than usual.
We also have no explanation of why we have so few updates in the next 3 months.: Retooling in the factory? Pre-printing of something massive? The rules team spending much of last year making the game good, instead of pre-writing codexes against an edition that didn't exist?
The only thing in the next 6 months that isn't leaked is the christmas battleforces (although we should name them November battleforces, as they seem to sell immediately unless they are very bad)
Hello pat treece
Hello 👋
Why is it Warhammer? Because it has the most players, retailers and constant releases. If you are part or join a gaming group, you are most likely to play/pick-up whatever is most popular/prevalent in your community and that tends to be Warhammer (or some other GW game); there is no point in investing into some niche/boutique games that is hard to buy (because distributers don't/can't stock it), has sporadic updates/releases (compared to the constant stream from GW) and very few players; if you want to introduce a new game in your community you have to be the 'ambassador/game master' for it, invest a lot of extra time and effort to attract players and within a year will likely end up with a bunch of books/boxes collecting dust on your shelf as the initial interest wanes down... It is far easier to get into what the local gaming community is already into and that tends to be GW :P
Its the spider thing that impregnates you in alien so they're not the xenomorph, so the xenomorph that comes out of the host could be male or female or both😂
The queen lays the eggs, the eggs contain a facehugger. The facehugger impregnates the host, and then the xenomorph usually violently ruptures out from the host, taking on their traits (humanoid in the case of humans, but then there was dog-like in Alien 3 for example). I don't believe in the Alien fiction, that xenomorphs have any dimorphic traits, they do not reproduce themselves, that's what the queen is for.
It's a very inefficient system in terms of energy expenditure just to reproduce, but it is repulsive and weird enough to us as humans to make for good horror.
Like a beehive, so the alien coming out would just be a sexless drone
When I heard "The codex astartes does not support this action" I audibly laughed
In answer to Ross's question, "Why is it we are so tied to Warhammer when we see better miniatures from other companies?"
I'm not.
Recently I've painted an Imperial Knight with additional parts from Taro Modelmaker (before you featured him on the show) and a 1/16 Scale Tiger 1 Early in winter camouflage. My current project is a 1/5 Dalek which will be followed by The Black Sword Display Edition from Mindwork Studios (it's Elric with Stormbringer in 75mm scale based on a painting by Gerald Brom).
I still have an interest in what GW produces but I don't believe they are value for money at RRP. This doesn't mean to say I wouldn't buy anything else from them, but I will only buy a mini if it's something exceptional eg the new Skaven Vizzik Skour model or it's something inexpensive I want for a test piece eg The Crimson Court which I'm going to use to practice albino skin on.
Perhaps it's an age thing. I'm even older than Geoff 👀 and perhaps not GW's target market. Or it's because I'm immune to their marketing especially their current FOMO approach.
Another point I'd like to touch upon is the road maps particularly the 40K one for 2024. We're asking the wrong question. We should be asking is, what happened 18 to 24 months ago which has resulted in no new 40k models for remainder of 2024?
Finally, GW became a toy soldier manufacturing company when the original Warhammer game was designed. It was created purely to sell more Citadel Miniatures. This was finalised after the management buyout and hasn't changed since then.
It's Ross by the way buddy :)
Duly noted and edited 👍
Emily in Paris is excellent & very frothy
I've been gone for a while, so forgive if this has been arsed a thousand times, but has Peachy left the podcast?
Yeah, more than half a year ago.
Yes, Chris has left to start his own channel. Thanks for the enquiry.
'ello, Patrique!
Shouldn't GW be testing their products more before they release them with such high entry costs? Seems a bit scummy to up date all these rules digitally while still selling the physical rules books. It takes so much item and money to build one unit then some guy in a tournament finds a scummy strategy and gets the unit ruined for everyone else in a digital update. It is pretty frustrating, don't want to be a bummer though.
Excited to see all the team rule updates on release :)
I was watching a Warhammer space. Marine animation on RUclips the other day and got Barbie adverts between it , same when watching other channels that talk about miniatures from the grim darkness whats going on with youtubes ai 😂
It's a good job I'm collecting tau and orks , always loved orks and have a few now and tau should be good in future what with vespid and kroot it does mean I have to rejig my 1000 point tau army. I do however have to put a few dozen pages of rules change in my kill team core rules
Haha, they're all the same toys right?!?!
"Burn the heretic Barbie! How with a free pyre blaster!"
Why GW?
Because, for me, you’re not just buying miniatures. The whole IP is so engrossing, with enough material that rivals multi-billion pound franchises.
I personally think the hobby is best enjoyed when you enjoy at least two of the following: lore, making and painting minis, or the tabletop game. If you’re invested in all three, I’d argue that you get the most out of the hobby, but you also want specific minis to fulfill a very specific criteria, IE I want Space Marines, not Galactic Marines in Space from another company.
Patrick doesn’t possess enough testosterone to play Space Marine 2.
Haven't been able to finish an episode since you brought ross in. Hes just unlikeable. Geoff and patrick are great.
Sorry you feel that way Squire, we tried it as two and repeatedly got told the show, felt ‘flat’. I hope Ross grows on you, he’s a lovely chap and gives us his time free of charge, as really wants us to grow. - Geoff
Needlessly mean comment
90 minutes of moaning and wingeing. Jesus christ.
These 90 minutes of singing, dancing, laughs and giggles….when there’s something to warrant it.