Are Tournaments Destroying 40K? A Pro Opinion: Vanguard tactics

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  • Опубликовано: 25 дек 2024

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  • @VanguardTactics
    @VanguardTactics Год назад +401

    I had the BEST time doing this interview so thank you so so much for having me on. I would love to come back sometime and tell those Butler Stories haha. If anyone has any questions please let me know.

    • @kaibe5241
      @kaibe5241 Год назад +11

      Ty for everything you're doing, Stephen. The recent GW tournament tone really feels like you've had a big impact on that, which is incredible :D

    • @1001Montresor
      @1001Montresor Год назад +6

      It was a really interesting and entertaining episode. As a university teacher, a lot of what you said about teaching really chimed with me. I found it quite inspirational to be honest.

    • @Lacainam
      @Lacainam Год назад +6

      Stephen your content is fantastic. Best battle reports I've seen. I never feel bored by information I already know because it's given succinctly and efficiently. I never lost in information I don't know for the same reason. But above all, and this is what got me subscribed originally, is the professional sportsmanship and positive attitude. It's supposed to be a game. Whether it's a narrative casual with every painted model in the house or a competitive tourney for prize money, it should be fair and fun. Mad respect for assembling a team of positive gamers.

    • @Denison512
      @Denison512 Год назад +3

      great podcast! Given you said you love co op games i reccommend Fire Team Zero. Game is absolutely brutal but a lot of fun!

    • @Xavier-um5ty
      @Xavier-um5ty Год назад +4

      I;m really curious to know how people can get over the fear of going to a gym, great interview, incredibly interesting

  • @halfcrafted
    @halfcrafted Год назад +77

    Great to see more guests on the show, you guys have a really good format for a casual quality conversation with so many people in the community, it will continue to bring people together in the community more and more! Love it!

  • @stargazingkiwi
    @stargazingkiwi Год назад +143

    I will watch the Mordheim battle report 10k times just myself!

    • @VanguardTactics
      @VanguardTactics Год назад +15

      We will hold you that

    • @lrh5206
      @lrh5206 Год назад +7

      Reporting for watch party duty. Man-sized rats aren't real.

    • @7bootzy
      @7bootzy Год назад

      Same!

    • @paulroberts8994
      @paulroberts8994 Год назад

      Genuinely spent 20 mins trying to find that battle report

  • @adie_h_333_painting
    @adie_h_333_painting Год назад +7

    VERY casual gamer here, avid collector but with no interest in competative 40k at all but Stephen comes across like a really nice chap and its interesting to hear the perspective of the other side of the hobby!

  • @waaaghzag
    @waaaghzag Год назад +7

    53:00 talking about the way that lesson is done is literally how the manager at my local GW taught me and my friends to play 3rd or 4th edition. He organised an event on a Sunday where everyone that had a skimmer brought it, and he prepared loads of land speeders and things for new players coming along to use. We were encouraged to bring friends along. We did a race across the table and then a race across the table where we could shoot the other vehicles, and so on.
    It was so much fun, there were about 20 people playing, and I think every new player there on that day ended up buying something, so it was a huge success for the store. Plus we now had load of new friends to play games with which kept us in the hobby.

  • @Bearvanon
    @Bearvanon Год назад +8

    Without a shadow of a doubt one of the best and most engaging hobby chats. Amazing to hear, I'm sure, only a brief snippet of what Stephen has been through and how relatable some of his experiences are (obvs the butler ones). Hope I get to chat things over a drink with you sometime.
    And thank you to the Painting Phase for giving some banter!

  • @CB-sf9mx
    @CB-sf9mx Год назад +13

    Interesting chat. The issue we have always had with competitive gamers in our group is that people dont want to feel pressured in to buying particular models that they dont like. You can argue all you like about making the most of the models you have, but we know that is not going to cut the mustard in the tournament scene unless you are very lucky. I am glad competitive and casual/narrative 40k are two different things. may it forever stay that way.

  • @garyknight3018
    @garyknight3018 Год назад +7

    What a genuine chat, you all getting together, having a great conversation and allowing us all to tune in is simply awesome. Look forward every week! Thanks Chaps

  • @ramonrivera4604
    @ramonrivera4604 Год назад +10

    10:10 this is why this podcast is becoming one of my favorites. Normal gamers talking about gaming and coming together. Love it!

  • @RobbieB2606
    @RobbieB2606 Год назад +12

    Great chat. I'm sure there's many, many hobbyists in their 30s who discovered Warhammer through the LOTR model range, especially the partwork magazines - I certainly did!

  • @mikewicked.x
    @mikewicked.x Год назад +44

    Pat's Four-hammer comment needed more recognition.
    Brilliant. 😂

  • @kuhmich
    @kuhmich Год назад +32

    Love your videos and especially interviews like this one. What a joy to listen to and watch.
    SPOILER:
    One note though: I think Patricks pun about Fourhammer was not appreciated enough 😅 Love it.

  • @RoganJosh86
    @RoganJosh86 Год назад +5

    This really is hands down the best podcast on RUclips all your videos are a joy to watch, you guys have brilliant chemistry together and the guests you have on are always fascinating

    • @thepaintingphase
      @thepaintingphase  Год назад +1

      Far too kind - Geoff

    • @RoganJosh86
      @RoganJosh86 Год назад +1

      @@thepaintingphase not kind enough for all the work you guys put in, I myself and I’m sure the rest of the community are rooting for your continued growth and success
      Side note- thanks Geoff for following me on instagram, top man!

  • @broduil
    @broduil Год назад +2

    The 20-30 minutes in the middle there were probably more impactful than any other motivational sound bite I've ever encountered!

    • @VanguardTactics
      @VanguardTactics Год назад +2

      Which bit did you find most valuable?

    • @broduil
      @broduil Год назад +1

      ​​​​@@VanguardTactics Let me just finish fangirling for a second first....
      The 1hr 23min mark reminding us that we're competing against ourselves was the climax, but the whole build-up to that made it so much more real, relatable, and impactful even though it's something I've heard countless times before - it just hit home that much harder

    • @VanguardTactics
      @VanguardTactics Год назад +1

      I’m so pleased to hear that and I’m glad you took something away from this chat in addition to all the laughs we had throughout the show

  • @cabe_bedlam
    @cabe_bedlam Год назад +10

    This one got real.
    The raw emotion from admitting that not only did they not drill the barrels, but sometimes they even cut the cables!

  • @Mr_Stuey
    @Mr_Stuey Год назад +6

    Great chat...Thought it would be heavy rules type of chat but quickly turned into a great episode. The passion for good gaming and have fun shine through.
    My learning to play new games tend to be.....
    "Can I shoot that massive thing with this little peashooter"
    "Yes, but you will need to roll 4 6's in a row and then I can ignore that on a 2+"
    "Ahhh...so there is a chance! Let's roll!"
    I have leaned a lot from my mistakes over the years : ) but always had fun

  • @WorldBleeder
    @WorldBleeder Год назад +15

    I absolutely would watch a Mordheim battle report! Great guest and content as always. Really enjoy your interviews and Stephen is a really champ on sharing his past challenges in life.

  • @DAN_OOTFP
    @DAN_OOTFP Год назад +13

    MESBG saved my hobby. It's hands down the best (current) games system GW does. Perhaps across any manufacturer. Its led to making some amazing friends, running some wonderful events, and led to a second hobby of podcasting. Would love to host you at an event Peachy!

  • @WoodImp
    @WoodImp Год назад +11

    Stephen seems to be popping off over my socials lately, good to see! Love what he stands for

  • @nlg702
    @nlg702 Год назад +18

    Absolutely great episode, Stephen's 3 Army per ITC Season is actually genius IMO.

    • @warrenfygp5326
      @warrenfygp5326 Год назад

      What’s the time stamp for that?

    • @manapause
      @manapause Год назад

      @@warrenfygp5326about 34 mins

  • @jeancouscous
    @jeancouscous Год назад +20

    Stephen box is an absolute legend of the hobby. Representing good play with charisma and charm. Breaking the typical wargamer stereotypes. Very interesting podcast :)

  • @Haanzer
    @Haanzer Год назад +4

    I've never seen Stephen's content before but he was a terrifically entertaining and charismatic guest, really enjoyed that interview!
    Pat takes the MVP this episode for me however for how immediately on the ball he was with that PEG10 code suggestion. No hesitation. 😂

  • @terminatoruk4921
    @terminatoruk4921 Год назад +4

    Got to be one of my favourite episodes so far - hilarious and insightful. Stephen is a real inspiration of what can be achieved when we plough our minds into positivity in whatever we do no matter how toxic of an environment we find ourselves in.

  • @7bootzy
    @7bootzy Год назад +13

    3:27 We can all agree Mordheim is actually the greatest game ever made...
    Edit: I legitimately don't think you guys realize how huge of a cult following Mordheim still has. Social media is FULL of trade, art, and gaming groups. RUclips has tons of nostalgic gamers re-experiencing their love of the game and detailing its history. And Tuomas Pririnen is incredibly supportive and active in the scene. He's done a few print runs of modern Mordheim-inspired minis and even released HD copies of some of the original art!

    • @staticgrass
      @staticgrass Год назад

      It might be the greatest game but the LotR system is the best game engine.

  • @johnthompson4969
    @johnthompson4969 Год назад +1

    Excellent guest, who I first saw on MWG and thought"this dude comptent and fantastic in his delivery". Great chat. Refreshing 😊

  • @Lyndon2606
    @Lyndon2606 Год назад +7

    Brilliant session to listen to while I painted 20 dire wolves for my first AOS army. Thanks heaps guys. ❤

  • @cantabrian1009
    @cantabrian1009 Год назад +2

    5:14 that is majestic AF...
    As always, nice one fellas.

  • @reefarolla32
    @reefarolla32 Год назад +3

    Love the format. Lovely chat between some very nice chaps.

  • @badasbob4761
    @badasbob4761 Год назад +4

    I absolutely use an archive marker for gun barrels. No one has ever noticed - several people have commented how much time it must take to "drill out all those barrels". Make of that what you will.

  • @qstionevrythng
    @qstionevrythng Год назад +3

    This was a really refreshing video to watch after being excited for 10th and all of the complaints and opinions being thrown around. I got one game in, enjoyed it. This helped my find some perspective on what to pay attention to in the hobby

  • @ElCid_1099
    @ElCid_1099 Год назад +3

    Brilliant! I didn’t know Stephen or Vangaurd before watching this - but this interview was both engaging and hilarious - well done guys - could be best one yet

  • @WarThunder-zt4xw
    @WarThunder-zt4xw Год назад +2

    Thanks for having Stephen on the show! I think he and his team are class acts. He brings something to 40K it needs beyond how to play better. Fairness, sportsmanship and ethics at the GT level will trickle down and become part of 40k’s culture. Well, that’s good for everybody yeah?

  • @alexomgid
    @alexomgid Год назад +16

    The painting phase / vanguard tactics crossover course would be perfect. Stephen seemed like such a lovely chap, it was great hearing his story and I will definitely look up the courses.

  • @CatCraine
    @CatCraine Год назад +2

    It was fun to hear your take on cable cutting. I'm personally a sucker for details and I love attaching all the little extra bits.

  • @miwicpmiwicp8074
    @miwicpmiwicp8074 Год назад +2

    a brilliant chat as always gents. Really inspiring, so, so good. I watched the Dicebreaker episode not knowing who/what Vanguard tactics was, seeing Stephen as your next guest was a pleasant surprise.

  • @seanabel8247
    @seanabel8247 Год назад +1

    You guys seem like so much fun to be with. This is my first time watching and now I’m hooked on you all. Wish I could find players like you all near me.
    I use to manage a game store and had some of the worse experiences with people that played GW games until a friend at work showed me everything great about the systems !

  • @RaengStinger
    @RaengStinger Год назад +1

    44:37 from my personal experience, this kind of sucks when you compare it to the previous point of "bring a list you think is cool to events". I always loved my Fellblade model, and always built lists around it and brought it to events. People loved seeing it, it's such a great model, and I learned to play really well with it, even snagging some match wins despite it's ... faltering datasheet. Now they stop me at the door with a big "no Horus Heresy models allowed" sign, which I think is a shame.
    Great podcast btw, just wanted to be 'thatguy' for a bit and vent my own frustration.

  • @dannyhumphreys4997
    @dannyhumphreys4997 Год назад +1

    I really, really enjoyed that. Great chat. Steve's story has given me a real appreciation for his outlook.

  • @mattspooner3394
    @mattspooner3394 Год назад +7

    Also - love the idea of having to commit to 3 armies at the start of an ITC year. I'm not a competitive player but seemed a great way to stop meta-chasers

  • @knoxminis1211
    @knoxminis1211 Год назад +3

    Great show. Stephen is a fantastic ambassador for the hobby and game.

  • @STEALTHDUDE
    @STEALTHDUDE Год назад +2

    excellent show guys, was great to hear about Stephen and his background, really inspirational stuff

  • @AubLambe
    @AubLambe Год назад +1

    Very fun interview, great episode

  • @docremington1589
    @docremington1589 Год назад +5

    The bard is a cool dude! I don’t really have a lot of interest in the content VT is bringing out, but I would gladly watch and listen to him chat all day long

  • @jocelynsiouville8499
    @jocelynsiouville8499 Год назад +3

    and here i am, in my pants painting S tier minis instead of getting in shape ! Thank you for making me feels bad !

    • @joshbernal4864
      @joshbernal4864 8 месяцев назад

      Never too late to start my brother!

  • @jonathondaniels2127
    @jonathondaniels2127 Год назад +4

    What a fantastic interview. Great guest and fantastic life advice.

  • @ferrumurbis
    @ferrumurbis Год назад +2

    Perfect timing for me to notice this. Just got out of work, and heading home to paint a Minotaurs SM captain for my friend. Cheers lads, this'll be good listening.

  • @essexwargamer
    @essexwargamer Год назад +1

    Plymouth store got me too, back in the day with Man o War. I was only in town with my family as a child on holiday.

  • @hongkongphooey1388
    @hongkongphooey1388 Год назад +2

    Great show again, thank you, gents, and always enjoy the conversations with the guests, plus never thought I'd be so tempted to sign up to get pegged 😁

  • @Rhodes_Writes
    @Rhodes_Writes Год назад +1

    Just here to say that from one Stephen to another, you seem like an awesome guy. I'm glad you found your calling and community in the wargaming space & you have gained a subscriber for life from me after this interview. Fully admit I didn't know about your channel before as I'm more of an AoS player but excited to watch all your 40k content and be a better gamer in general thanks to your content. All the best. - SR

  • @yvanloppe5650
    @yvanloppe5650 Год назад +1

    Super interview, that is always pleasant to listen nice people talking about the hobby and their experiences!
    Also I went back to MESBG at last August. I just can’t leave the game. Amazing mechanics and community!

  • @Karhedron
    @Karhedron Год назад +1

    I had no idea Stephen got his intro in the Plymouth store. That was my geedubs for YEARS. Well done whichever of Mike/Mike/Rob brought Mr Box into the game!

  • @Dunston205
    @Dunston205 Год назад +1

    I totally enjoyed this session. Thank you.

  • @davidmckay335
    @davidmckay335 Год назад +1

    Such an interesting conversation. Great show. Thank you

  • @MrGilmo88
    @MrGilmo88 Год назад +2

    So excited for this!! Literally dropping everything to paint and listen to this

  • @CalAndAly
    @CalAndAly Год назад +2

    Two of the very best in the biz!

  • @michaelpipe5488
    @michaelpipe5488 Год назад +2

    Great chat! There really are some very interesting people in this hobby.

  • @marcinstangel9277
    @marcinstangel9277 Год назад +2

    funny you mention lockdown and weight - for me that period was when I actually found myself sticking to a diet and exercise regime, and lost loads of weight :) And found lots of time to paint miniatures and learn the game rules (mostly AoS, but I also learnt my 40k army: TAU pretty well ).

  • @TheNarrativeNook
    @TheNarrativeNook Год назад +1

    This channel is just getting better and better! Becoming quite a fan!!

  • @JDFirenze
    @JDFirenze Год назад +2

    Super interview & discussion guys. Really enjoyed this one

  • @WePaintMinis
    @WePaintMinis Год назад +3

    Another fantastic episode. What a wonderful approach Stephen has. It has made me actually want to try some competitive 40K, especially if I get to come up against someone like him.

  • @BGWLgaming
    @BGWLgaming Год назад +1

    Great interview. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

  • @oleww50
    @oleww50 Год назад +2

    Loved this chat, what an awesome guy 👌 looking forward to the next one ❤

  • @wellywoodwargaming
    @wellywoodwargaming Год назад +1

    Loved hearing about Mr 📦 time at school and stuff, was very similar to me and probably many others. Great episode 👏

  • @Hypersapien_Hobbies
    @Hypersapien_Hobbies Год назад +2

    Another fantastic video! Cheers Ladz! I really need to learn how to play and Steven sounds like he has a great way of teaching, most people teach by throwing you into the deep end and it's overwhelming.

  • @jackneighbour7605
    @jackneighbour7605 Год назад +1

    really interesting interview, Stephen comes across great and loved his backstory! amazing podcast as always

  • @ThatguywhoplaysSlaanesh-ih3gm
    @ThatguywhoplaysSlaanesh-ih3gm Год назад +3

    Love listening to this and very interesting to hear a pro players opinion on the gaming scheme and how it is affected by the competitive scene

  • @chironentertainment
    @chironentertainment Год назад +2

    Awesome interview

  • @FacesNBases
    @FacesNBases Год назад +2

    Absolutely loved the show. Stephen is such a top bloke and an absolute ambassador for competitive play and general mental wellbeing. There's a huge stigma about the tournament competitive scene and it's hard to take that step into a tournament if you're only hearing the stereotypes of sweaty cheesy neckbeards.
    Really appreciated the sharing of the journey and how he turned the tough times into a motivation to better things.
    Cheers gents.

  • @weatherthis8062
    @weatherthis8062 Год назад

    This was a great chat, never been too much into the competitive side of 40k, but hearing Stephen positive outlook, i might just give it another go.

  • @cmbsgc
    @cmbsgc Год назад +1

    Really interesting to see how someone has successfully applied the skills they learned in one sphere (personal training) into another (wargaming). Cheers for another great and inspirational interview!

  • @dendronkenfoetus
    @dendronkenfoetus Год назад +3

    Great show again guys. Did you know Zombicide is doing all the Iron Maiden album covers as playable miniatures? Finally a time and place to share this important information

  • @ThePlasmaboy11
    @ThePlasmaboy11 Год назад +1

    Absolutely loved this episode, Stephen is really inspiring and i think sets the standard for how we should all act. Great vid as always guys!

  • @Winter-Nine
    @Winter-Nine Год назад +1

    What a fantastic and brutally honest interview. One of your best yet.

  • @charliekirkpatrick695
    @charliekirkpatrick695 Год назад +3

    Being way more on the casual/painting side i dont watch much gaming/tactics stuff, but this guy sounds ace - definitely checking out Vanguard after this!

  • @joshp2657
    @joshp2657 Год назад +2

    I think this is the best episode yet!

  • @MrPendraeg
    @MrPendraeg Год назад +1

    Interesting chap, good show gents!

  • @shorelessskies
    @shorelessskies Год назад +2

    53:00
    I run warhammer student clubs and the Warhammer Alliance box (that Workshop will send you free) starts by teaching just movement. You basically play keepaway with Beakies and Necrons. And I thought it was pretty dumb like “when do we kill stuff??” But teaching kids with almost no tabletop experience to move first is so important and essential. It’s good to hear that Steve does the same

  • @JoeDaly983
    @JoeDaly983 Год назад +2

    This was a very inspirational interview, thanks a ton guys

  • @weraswero
    @weraswero Год назад +1

    What an awesome bloke! great interview

  • @fernandozavaletabustos205
    @fernandozavaletabustos205 Год назад +1

    Thank you for another interesting video discussion!

  • @Kirioth
    @Kirioth Год назад +5

    Ooooh this is gona be good!

  • @TheGamingWard
    @TheGamingWard Год назад

    Love the fitness talk with this as well. Great interview. Also. As someone who works at Aldi, the store talk was hilarious lol

  • @invictara2599
    @invictara2599 Год назад

    Amazing interview Peachy! Steven is such a great guy to listen to!

  • @StevilKanevil_
    @StevilKanevil_ Год назад +2

    I'm going to be that guy about pronunciation but only because I'm Irish! Samhain is pronounced "Sau-ihn", and is the old celtic holiday that has been turned into Halloween. Great interview as usual lads

  • @teessidetyrants1989
    @teessidetyrants1989 Год назад +1

    Fantastic video. Mr Box is a bit of a smart chap ain't he? Respect to the lad.
    Keep the videos coming gents.

  • @Lordvader1212
    @Lordvader1212 Год назад +2

    Great interview!

  • @GabaWocky
    @GabaWocky Год назад +2

    “Mordheim - That wins every time”

  • @johnbruce4004
    @johnbruce4004 Год назад +2

    Very interesting take on balance and tournament vs. fun. What I think of is loss of random (qv 'fun') rules (e.g. Don't touch dat or Vortex grenade). Not so much the balance issue. Although with Chris on annoyed at invalidation of a collection.

  • @thesanguine
    @thesanguine Год назад +1

    Brilliant interview!!!

  • @narceron360
    @narceron360 Год назад +1

    This is a really class person. I really enjoyed hearing his perspective.

  • @mcallisterbishop4993
    @mcallisterbishop4993 Год назад +1

    What a genuine bloke. Great show lads

  • @DaronSchmit
    @DaronSchmit Год назад +1

    Also, I think both Peachy and Stephen would make great guests in Kill Team Casuals!
    Peachy for general hobby stuff and gaming, Stephen for being a good opponent and keeping things fun.
    The bonus would be the dirty sock, discarded and thrown onto the street and pressed into pavement by passing cars that is the game called Legions of Russ

  • @uruk_bye1232
    @uruk_bye1232 Год назад +1

    I love this channel. Always really thoughtful discussions.

  • @Unaidedfoot
    @Unaidedfoot Год назад +1

    Great interview.

  • @invincigaz4067
    @invincigaz4067 Год назад +1

    Steve is such a great guy, hilarious too, thanks guys fantastic episode!

  • @Nubgan
    @Nubgan Год назад +1

    Great talk guys, plenty of great wisdom bombs from Stephen which have given me plenty to think about going forward :D

  • @MariusGage
    @MariusGage Год назад +1

    I’ve seen vanguard tactics being recommended a fair few times on yt but admit I’ve skipped it because I thought it was just about tournament playing.
    But this sitdown was great so I’ll have to go take a look!

  • @mattspooner3394
    @mattspooner3394 Год назад +1

    Really enjoyed this one (not that I dont always) but was interesting to hear the views and experience of a 'competitive gamer' and that they are much the same as mine as a casual player!!

  • @Domstar75
    @Domstar75 Год назад +2

    Was laughing when Patrick said 4 hammer, lol

  • @Jamesotronart
    @Jamesotronart Год назад +1

    Great episode, a nice variety of discussion topics.