Horus Heresy 7: LEGION by Dan Abnett

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  • Опубликовано: 27 дек 2024

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  • @frazeremerson8168
    @frazeremerson8168 9 месяцев назад +25

    Legion hooked me to the alpha legion so much so some of my salamander army has a coat of UV paint that changes them to alpha legion under blue light.

  • @TheExcessus
    @TheExcessus 9 месяцев назад +10

    I've been playing Alpha Legion since the 90s, the old lore from 2nd ed is that they were *really* good at coordinating attacks, and their aspirants were failed or accepted as a team instead of individuals. It was a version of the right hand _actually_ knows what the left hand is doing type of thing. The cultist thing came in Index Astartes and is pretty in line with the rest of it.

  • @crwarren
    @crwarren 10 месяцев назад +123

    Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right... Stuck in the middle with Uxor Mu.

    • @HistoritorJimaldus
      @HistoritorJimaldus 10 месяцев назад +5

      Well I started out with nothing and I’m proud that I am Mu’s hetman

    • @CygnusMaximusXIII
      @CygnusMaximusXIII 10 месяцев назад +8

      I REALLY hope that Mira asks Dan if this song was the motivation for the companies' and Mu's names! It'd be brilliant if it was!

  • @richtysoe6393
    @richtysoe6393 10 месяцев назад +30

    Mira: "In the next video, Battle for The Abyss..."
    Ian: "Oh God!"
    He knows....

  • @seano4977
    @seano4977 11 месяцев назад +66

    I have never wanted a jumper more in my life than seeing what Mira is wearing.

    • @euansmith3699
      @euansmith3699 10 месяцев назад +6

      It is certainly Codex Compliant! 😍

    • @glandhound
      @glandhound 10 месяцев назад +7

      @@euansmith3699 oh but it isn't, the real aquila has one of it's eyes closed

  • @Moffen9T
    @Moffen9T 10 месяцев назад +13

    Peto Soneka feels simultaneously exceptionally unlucky and fortunate.
    He survives however many attempts to hide the truth, becomes an incredibly lonely operative, and is one of four Imperials who gets to see The Acuity (and unlike Shere, he survives).
    Plus he gets to save his buddy as a personal favour from the primarch.

  • @enricocastagnoli833
    @enricocastagnoli833 10 месяцев назад +33

    Just a small side note: "uxor" is not a made-up word, but it means "wife" in Latin. Love you both! Keep up with this amazing series! ❤

  • @RyanORourke18
    @RyanORourke18 10 месяцев назад +70

    I've been looking forward to this one. Legion is definitely my favorite of the few Heresy books I've read, mainly because it does something I thought was impossible after my early exposure to the 40K community: It made me think the Alpha Legion were the coolest thing ever. And that's not even touching how amazing the human characters are. Can't wait to get out of class to watch!

    • @RyanORourke18
      @RyanORourke18 10 месяцев назад +2

      and of course I edit the comment to fix a spelling error and the heart disappears. Oh well. Thanks Ian!

    • @kiltedcossack
      @kiltedcossack 10 месяцев назад +3

      I am so with you. I've been looking forward to this one, chock full of non-transhuman but still super interesting characters, and a look at a very non-standard (for 40K at least) regiment. "For the Emperor!" and "Hydra Dominatus!"

  • @YvesSMASH
    @YvesSMASH 10 месяцев назад +34

    John does indeed have an American accent in the audiobooks. I sort of always thought it was because he is like bizzaro James Bond so instead of being a suave brit he is a tired beat up space cowboy secret agent.

    • @Reliken
      @Reliken 10 месяцев назад +2

      💯

    • @WolfclawTheGreatwolf
      @WolfclawTheGreatwolf Месяц назад

      The narration of grammaticus reminds me of Nick Valentine from fallout 4

  • @garyknight3018
    @garyknight3018 9 месяцев назад +2

    These reviews and discussions are always so charming! And a great way to relive the stories, top notch stuff.

  • @DaSkwire
    @DaSkwire 10 месяцев назад +47

    "The Mr Benn of spies"
    Best description ever. 10/10 no notes 😂

  • @benphillips8174
    @benphillips8174 10 месяцев назад +8

    It's just occurred to me that the game they play with the heads at Visages is right out of Taskmaster.

  • @NeverQuiteAlex
    @NeverQuiteAlex 10 месяцев назад +23

    Mira's Emperor voice is now canon.

  • @isaaclloyd8132
    @isaaclloyd8132 10 месяцев назад +8

    My favourite 'holy shit these guys are awesome' moment in the heresy was with the white scars. Turning Mongals on spacebikes into a living breathing awesome culture.

  • @cappinjocj9316
    @cappinjocj9316 10 месяцев назад +13

    That jumper is awesome Mira.

  • @MountainsideTabletop
    @MountainsideTabletop 10 месяцев назад +24

    When you started this series, the three I most looked forward to were Fulgrim, Legion, and Betrayer. First two have been great, and I'll wait patiently for the next!

    • @glandhound
      @glandhound 10 месяцев назад

      I want to see if Mira can get through Pharos.

    • @OK-hl6qd
      @OK-hl6qd 10 месяцев назад

      Not The First Heretic?

  • @Bluecho4
    @Bluecho4 10 месяцев назад +8

    _Legion,_ by chance, was the first Horus Heresy book I read. I cannot believe my luck, that it was one of the best in the series. I love its focus on human characters and the way it only examines the title legion from the outside in. Which works very well for a sneaky, duplicitous group that is all about conspiracies. A book that more closely followed them and revealed their motives would ironically be poorer at capturing what makes the Alpha Legion cool.
    On the subject of "whose side are they on?", my interpretation is that any kind of control of the Alpha Legion died with Alpharius (assuming it was him who dies to [Redacted]), and it probably was lost even before that. The Alpha Legion are a self-perpetuating terror movement operating on the cellular level. Splinters are created, nominally to serve some intended purpose. But the legion became so large, so spread out, so secretive, and so complicated, only Alpharius and Omegon could possibly have kept it all straight. Possibly not even then, especially as the Heresy ground on and the exigencies of war demanded ad hoc changes and new forces mustered.
    So by the time the Heresy ended, no one was really in control. There was just a thousand warbands, continuing to operate according to plans laid down years, centuries, and latterly _millennia_ before. All certain THEY are the lynchpin of the legion's plans, and ALL not really understanding what they're doing. Alpha Legion captains create new warbands and send them off with pretenses and lies, not knowing that's exactly what _their_ handlers did to them.
    It's a hydra that has grown so many heads, any possibility of unity or even awareness of the whole is impossible on the part of those heads. A _fractal_ of duplicity, that operates on its own momentum. Mutating and reproducing itself endlessly.

  • @HistoritorJimaldus
    @HistoritorJimaldus 11 месяцев назад +28

    37:08 one correction there, they don’t kill Peto and Rukhsana (and they rescue Bronzi)

    • @miramanga
      @miramanga 11 месяцев назад +17

      Oh no 😅 what could I say.. it was a long night of filming

  • @LimerickJim
    @LimerickJim 10 месяцев назад +4

    Keeble decided to give John Gramaticus an American accent in the audiobooks. Some of the accents he gives seems to just be him trying to find a new unique voice for a character. In Mortis he gives a titan princeps a Belfast accent for no particular reason. For Jonny G I think he's trying to anchor our perception of John as someone from our time that is still alive in M31 by giving him an accent that is unusual in 40k but evokes a sense of the common man to an English language media consumer.

  • @1989eol
    @1989eol 4 месяца назад +1

    Rukhsana and Peto actually survive the Alpha Legion killing spree. I think it is a nice continuity with the "we look after our own" thing. Also makes them les horrible than 90% of all Astartes!

  • @sean4929
    @sean4929 10 месяцев назад +13

    Legion is one of the best Horus Heresy books. The mystery and conspiracy were fantastic, with the ending being a hammer blow.

  • @albertcapley6894
    @albertcapley6894 9 месяцев назад +1

    Legion was the first 40k (well 30k technically) I read after reading the Eisenhorn books and I basically knew nothing about Astartes in the current timeline, much less any of the legions, and the way Alpha is portrayed is so compelling in this book that it's almost hard to believe they were more of a meme army before the meme really existed. It may seem like an odd story to serve as an introduction to the overall setting, but I still would love to see Legion given big screen treatment, the way it introduces chaos to the knowledge of the imperial perspective is one of the most fascinating things about the story, to me. Like sure the EMP knows about it, but even Alpharius/Omegon describe it as a "strange xenos threat" giving me the impression even the twins had only an entry level understanding of what it could do, at least until the world was consumed by chaos sorcery.

  • @chrisjones6792
    @chrisjones6792 10 месяцев назад +11

    Also, the Geno 52 get a blink and you'll miss it shoutout in the End and the Death, just as part of a long list of regiments and astartes formations grappleing for life in no mans land.

    • @IKMojito
      @IKMojito 10 месяцев назад +8

      Everytime they got mentioned i couldn't help but smile

  • @Bataav
    @Bataav 10 месяцев назад +6

    Hydra Dominatus!
    My favourite book of the Heresy series too.
    As a follow up, a review of "Alpharius: Head of the Hydra" by Mike Brooks would be awesome.

  • @Onetoo88
    @Onetoo88 9 месяцев назад +3

    John sounds like Martin Freeman’s character in Black Panther. Someone who is clearly British, but using an American accent. It’s all I pictures whilst listening to it 😂

  • @acerock013
    @acerock013 10 месяцев назад +2

    this is probably one of my favorite HH books even though it gets kinda retconned later on, but i love John Grammaticus and Johnathan Keeble's "American" accent for him is so charming. Whenever I hear him speak in Grammaticus' voice I always think it's funny that he sounds vaguely like what a Brit thinks a New Yorker sounds like.
    Also Uxor is the Latin word for "wife" and Hetman sounds like a reference to the German rank "Hauptman" and the Geno 5-2 Chiliad were genenhanced soldiers who fight in a sort of pike and shot formation.

  • @RSBurgener
    @RSBurgener 9 месяцев назад +1

    The lore before this book was that everything about the Alpha Legion is secret and everything you've ever heard about them is a lie...and it hasn't changed much several novels later!

  • @jesterprince4949
    @jesterprince4949 7 месяцев назад +1

    Easily my favourite book in the series. Only Scars comes close for me. I own a huge army of Alpha Legion now due to this book.

  • @Gigatoreador
    @Gigatoreador 9 месяцев назад +1

    Omegon being the leader of the Stealth squad making the brothers giggle and the twins complaint that the claim of the Eldar would be heresy might be the two favourite moments in this novel 🙃

  • @AlexYue216
    @AlexYue216 10 месяцев назад +4

    This is one of the Heresy books I'll revisit often. I just can't get enough of all the details in the different armies. I wish I could make a geno 52 kill team.

  • @gindrinkersline3285
    @gindrinkersline3285 10 месяцев назад +1

    5:14 "Hetman is a political title from Central and Eastern Europe, historically assigned to military commanders (comparable to a field marshal or imperial marshal in the Holy Roman Empire)."
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetman

  • @davetaylor9966
    @davetaylor9966 11 месяцев назад +14

    Namatjira's name is from Albert Namatjira, a famous indigenous Australian artist from the first half of the 20th Century. The thylacine is named after the Tasmanian tiger. Not sure why Dan made those Australia-centric choices though.

    • @lachlanasquith3920
      @lachlanasquith3920 10 месяцев назад +1

      Scrolled through the comments to find this, I'm glad that the first nations is able to be represented somewhat in the 31st millennium

  • @smallspacearcade8158
    @smallspacearcade8158 10 месяцев назад +2

    Any chance these episodes will be uploaded as podcasts. There have been no new episodes added to your audible feed since December last year? I do hope you put these on at some point.

  • @stevendibble5739
    @stevendibble5739 10 месяцев назад +1

    One of the best books of the series. The scene where Slau Dha steps through the reflecting puddle is tops

  • @happyharibo1330
    @happyharibo1330 10 месяцев назад +1

    I occurs to me that one of the most unsettling things would be a Space Marine yoga class. Especially the breathing exercises...

  • @robodinosaurs
    @robodinosaurs 10 месяцев назад +2

    Man i’ve never read a 40k book properly other than listening to the audio book version of the infinite and divine. But the way you break these books down is dope.

  • @HistoritorJimaldus
    @HistoritorJimaldus 11 месяцев назад +97

    I am Alpharius - that’s how I’m commenting before the video even comes out

    • @JACKXK
      @JACKXK 10 месяцев назад +7

      You look like Omegon to me

    • @ismael9914
      @ismael9914 10 месяцев назад +9

      As an Alpharius-aproved Alpharius, I, Alpharius, can confirm that you, Alpharius, are indeed, Alpharius.

    • @patrickstarkey9441
      @patrickstarkey9441 10 месяцев назад +3

      You too?! I am Alpharius as well.

    • @boydsinclair7606
      @boydsinclair7606 10 месяцев назад +2

      Alright! Hi-five! Oh, sorry. 😅

    • @I-am_Alpharius
      @I-am_Alpharius 10 месяцев назад +3

      I am alpharius

  • @rchilton
    @rchilton 11 месяцев назад +25

    John as a tired American from the audiobooks is very much my canon voice for him ❤ especially later

    • @briochepanda
      @briochepanda 10 месяцев назад +1

      I love nebulously texan John. I also miss midlands farmer Oll, but Jonathan Keeble does a great job of him as a tired old soldier.

  • @CygnusMaximusXIII
    @CygnusMaximusXIII 10 месяцев назад +9

    Uxor is a real word - it's just not English. It's Latin for "wife".
    Also, one piece of lore that existed for the Alpha Legion before this book was written that Ian didn't mention is that their battle cry as Chaos Space Marines in the 40k setting is "For the Emperor," which is probably why Dan Abnett ran with making their actual allegiance very ambiguous.
    As for the legion's flaw, I think, after this book, it's that their various companies and battlegroups are so autonomous that they're not really a cohesive legion at all - they're basically multiple splinter legions who aren't necessarily working toward the same goals. But maybe... they're not.

    • @glandhound
      @glandhound 10 месяцев назад +1

      Hydra Dominatus

  • @DomoKuchikan
    @DomoKuchikan 7 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks to your review i started listening to the audiobook. 1 hour in and i'm loving it! It reminds me of another book with a human tank crew with a cool veteran who was praying to a made up godess of war. Maybe Valdor - Birth of the Imperium.

  • @CaptSasquatch657
    @CaptSasquatch657 10 месяцев назад +3

    21:18 - “I wonder if any Alpha Legion fans got their brand.”
    I wasn’t an AL fan till this book and after I finished it I went out and got a tattoo of the hydra on my forearm

  • @jessesosh7052
    @jessesosh7052 10 месяцев назад +1

    In this world where everything has gone mad watching Lore Master Ian walk the lovely Mira through the 40K universe has become one of my life's simple pleasures.

  • @hero4life15
    @hero4life15 10 месяцев назад +3

    Ive been waiting for this ! Love to hear Miras perspectives as a new reader and new to the genre/lore!

  • @mennorach
    @mennorach 10 месяцев назад +1

    Good to video. I don't play AL, but a friend plays them and talks a lot. I had no idea that the twin thing was invented for Legion. Nice to know now. And yeah, Dan is really good at writing about hyper competent people clashing with other hyper competent people and the chaos that ensues there. The entire HH series seemed to me to be about taking the legions that were jokes and making them cool.

  • @mischiefwargaming
    @mischiefwargaming 10 месяцев назад +4

    The only appropriate way to play Alpha Legion is to play an entirely different army. Then, whether you win or lose, twirl a moustache and say it's all according to plan.

    • @glandhound
      @glandhound 10 месяцев назад

      I do that with my Orks.

  • @guusbremer8435
    @guusbremer8435 10 месяцев назад +4

    Legion, a book that showed what Great Crusade/Early Heresy stories could be, before we went fully into the narrow channel of marine-on-marine violence (which, there's plenty of those I like but still, bit of variety wouldn't hurt)

  • @misterjones7248
    @misterjones7248 10 месяцев назад +10

    i really enjoyed this book, it felt like a return to form in the series

  •  10 месяцев назад +2

    One of the best books I've read in the series. Maybe the best.

  • @billybongos957
    @billybongos957 10 месяцев назад +2

    As an American listener, John doesn't really sound like any specific American accent, but that Hugh Laurie as House or Cumberbatch as Dr Strange kinda unplaceable surly mixed with cocky may have been what they were going for. Not sure how old John is, but I chose to interpret it instead as a result of his omni-lingualism, a mish mash resulting in a neutral tones.
    Come to think of it, I think Oll Persson and Damon Prytanis are voiced similarly, so maybe it's just their way of distinguishing these pre-Imperial Perpetuals.

  • @samrobinson566
    @samrobinson566 7 месяцев назад +2

    Is it just me, or does anyone else think "Nurth" could be a corruption of Nu-Earth? They've forgotten their heritage, but the original settlers may have named the planet as a "New Earth"? 😊
    Also, I love that the book's focus is everything except the Alpha Legion; they're in the background, quietly manipulating events how they wish them to play out... just like the Alpha Legion always try to do. This is one of my favourite HH books, and is Dan Abnett at his absolute peak of writing talent. A must read.

  • @Yandarval
    @Yandarval 10 месяцев назад +11

    Hauptman is usually translated from German to the rank of Captain in the Army. Uxor, depending on which language root you go for. it generally means wife, woman or mother in law.

    • @davydatwood3158
      @davydatwood3158 10 месяцев назад +5

      Hetman, on the other hand - which is what Ian and Mira said, I don't know what's actually in the book - is an Eastern European title or position roughly analogous to "Lord Constable" as in the "Lord Constable of France." It was the head of the army in 1500s Poland and used by a few other groups and nations in the area as well. There is debate whether the term originates from the German Huaptman (which at the time, and like the English "Captain," mean anyone in charge of any identifiable group of soldiers) or the Turkish "ataman."

    • @Yandarval
      @Yandarval 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@davydatwood3158 either could be correct. I guess we both need to read the book.

    • @ReverendMeat51
      @ReverendMeat51 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@Yandarval It's spelled Hetman in the book, and the cover art shows soldiers that look kinda eastern European

    • @Yandarval
      @Yandarval 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@ReverendMeat51 I shall acquiesce to your explanation.👍

    • @ReverendMeat51
      @ReverendMeat51 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@Yandarval Should still read the book though, it's fun :)

  • @ropable
    @ropable 10 месяцев назад +1

    One of my favourite-ever HH books. Must reread this some time.

  • @listmanguy
    @listmanguy 10 месяцев назад +5

    Oh wow, I just started this one yesterday. I'll try and finish it as fast as I can so I can come back and watch this video.

  • @mojotheaverage
    @mojotheaverage 10 месяцев назад +1

    I absolutely love this book. As a teenager I read this when it came out and Alpha Legion became by far my favourite legion ever since. Abnett is a genius

  • @dr_wilko
    @dr_wilko 11 месяцев назад +12

    John Grammaticus definitely has an American accent in the audiobooks. There are a few other characters voiced the same way and I always like to think they are, in fact, John but in full on spy mode

    • @glandhound
      @glandhound 10 месяцев назад

      Grammaticus is a logokine so he would naturally choose the most common English accent... which is probably Indian.

    • @BM-is5ei
      @BM-is5ei 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@glandhoundeh what?

    • @glandhound
      @glandhound 9 месяцев назад

      @@BM-is5ei
      Logokines can speak any and every accent of any and every language.
      India is the most populous country that has English as it's official language, most old English empire countries have kept it as a part of their national identity.
      You could make the argument that most of the English speakers in the world live in the US, however it's impossible to say which part of these people are native english speakers.

    • @BM-is5ei
      @BM-is5ei 9 месяцев назад

      @@glandhound i know what he is but what you are saying doesn't make any sense.

  • @neiladams3042
    @neiladams3042 10 месяцев назад +2

    Great breakdown! I loved this book and the AL are definitely my favourite Legion. So well written and fleshed out by Dan Abnett (as always). I highly recommend Mike Brooks' Primarch novel Head of the Hydra too, a really great read.

  • @tibbydudeza
    @tibbydudeza 10 месяцев назад +1

    Awesome book - wish we had more lore what happened to the Geno 52 Chiliad - somebody noted they fought on Terra during the Horus invasion of Terra on the loyalist side in the "The End And the Death".
    Amazing world building from the beginning in Book 7 with introducing John Grammaticus, the Cabal,and later Oll Perrson.

  • @RingStudios
    @RingStudios 10 месяцев назад +1

    Alpha Legion only show up and announce themselves if they WANT you to know.

  • @AncientWyrm1775
    @AncientWyrm1775 10 месяцев назад +4

    My suggestion for the "flaw" of the Alpha Legion would be that their reasonableness and rationality actually prevent them from gaining the insane, brute-force powers that many of the other legions wield. Like, tactics and strategy will only get you so far when faced with the overbearing insanity of legions like the World Eaters or Space Wolves. Ironically, those legions probably would have successfully brought Nurth to compliance by just massacring the Echvehnurth and leveling their city before they could activate the Black Cube.
    As a real military force, the Alpha Legion and Ultramarines are pretty clearly the best managed, since being well managed is kinda their whole thing. But once you factor in the ancient technology, mystical abilities, and literal superpowers that all the other legions have, I think it balances out fairly well. There's something to like about all of them.

    • @glandhound
      @glandhound 10 месяцев назад

      They are also really small, even the Primarchs are barely taller than the Marines.

  • @merci_ann
    @merci_ann 10 месяцев назад +3

    Since there hasn't been updates to bastard scale, I'm posting it as it were. Waiting for the next one gang!
    Lucius - 27
    Fabius - "blown up the scale"/ contested by Ian
    Erebus - 12
    The Lion - 9
    Bequa - 9
    Fulgrim - 8.5
    Julius - 6
    Marius - 5.5
    Solomon - 3
    Everyone else in Descent of Angels - 3
    Iacton Cruze - 1
    If I missed smth, as always - let me know

    • @glandhound
      @glandhound 10 месяцев назад

      Eidolon.
      I'm assuming this list doesn't account all of HH since there are a few night lords missing. It should change after book #34. Fabius is actually a good guy in 40k, but I guess his goodness only comes out after the HH.

    • @merci_ann
      @merci_ann 10 месяцев назад

      @@glandhound was eidolon rated by Mira so far? What rating did he get?

    • @glandhound
      @glandhound 9 месяцев назад

      @@merci_ann I have no idea, I'm not part of the (not so secret) club. Eidolon got into my craplist because as a commander he kept stealing the credit from his underlings in Horus Rising. One of the redeeming features of Fabius is that at one point he keeps a still living, severed head of Eidolon in a cupboard just to mess with him. Without Fabius, Garro also would have died at Istvaan and the flight of the eisenstein would have been a lot shorter without him.

    • @merci_ann
      @merci_ann 9 месяцев назад

      @@glandhound eeem okay. The list is made to keep track of list of people that Mira and Ian mention. They didn't mention Eidolon so he's not on the list

  • @piotrjeske4599
    @piotrjeske4599 10 месяцев назад +1

    Both the title of hetman and uxor was used in eastern europe. A "baszor/basior"/bashor is both a last name and a specific rank of non comissioned officer , used in XVIth-XVIlth century infantry drawn from peasents .today it is an non common last name and the name of villages where such soldiers would be settled after a 20year military service.

  • @shmeeeeeep8797
    @shmeeeeeep8797 8 месяцев назад +1

    I really really enjoyed this. Thank you so much. I’m going to go back and listen to all the book reports.

  • @thompsonsj64
    @thompsonsj64 10 месяцев назад +3

    The added lore we knew of was their warcry is "For the Emperor" which is seen as being mocking of their enemy but Legion now makes you think is it?

  • @Taco0718
    @Taco0718 10 месяцев назад +1

    Twelve books into the Heresy, and i will say Legion so far has been my favorite.

  • @Dustbinlid1
    @Dustbinlid1 10 месяцев назад +17

    In the novel Alpharius mentions that the Geno. 52's way of creating soldiers actually helped to inspire the Emporer's creation of the legions. Personally, I also think it's how Kreig does it, since if they harvested female eggs early on, the women could go on to die for the emporer and not waste their "usefulness".

    • @glandhound
      @glandhound 10 месяцев назад

      Siege of Vraks pt1 explains that there are no women (no eggs) on Krieg and the Vitae-Wombs are housed in dusty warehouses underneath the planet. The 2022 Krieg novel also explains that all of the Death Korps are clones of Colonel Jurten.... naturally the lore permits one to consider these sources unreliable so your theory is just as good as any other one.

  • @rawhide303
    @rawhide303 10 месяцев назад +13

    I think in the 4th edition codex, Alpha legion were the only ones that could take cultists. Which would make sense if their units contained so many humans

    • @chrisjones6792
      @chrisjones6792 10 месяцев назад

      It was the seccond 3rd edition ckdex, but you'd be forgiven for thinking it was a 4th edition codex.

    • @DergonBaals
      @DergonBaals 10 месяцев назад +1

      3rd edition, second codex. In 4th edition Chaos Space Marines lost legion rules entirely.

    • @rawhide303
      @rawhide303 10 месяцев назад

      @@DergonBaals that's right. Two codexs in one edition, what a time

  • @Hebuspm
    @Hebuspm 10 месяцев назад +2

    crazy the amount of stuff Ian can remember. I have read this book aswell last year and the names didnt stuck wtih me what so ever

  • @jasonbradley2004
    @jasonbradley2004 10 месяцев назад +1

    When you see Battle for the Abyss as “The Expendables: 30,000 Years Into The Future” it’s a bit easier to digest. Also definitely listen to the audiobook if you want a chuckle.

  • @stewroo
    @stewroo 10 месяцев назад +4

    YES! I love this book. I've been looking forward to this review. Thanks Mira and Ian.

  • @alejandrorp5160
    @alejandrorp5160 10 месяцев назад +3

    Love to match Abnett's love for complex conspiracies and plans... and Malcador's final remarks on plans and life in TEATD III. You could even consider he's reflecting on his career and as a BL writer there.

  • @iandoddsblah
    @iandoddsblah 10 месяцев назад +1

    Are you gonna get back on uploading the audio for these as a poddo?

  • @justbobagian
    @justbobagian 10 месяцев назад +2

    Friday came early, its review time! I love when they get to be in the same room recording these

  • @chandleresplin4122
    @chandleresplin4122 10 месяцев назад +2

    I tried to read the whole hours heresy in the past. "Battle for the Abyss" is where I lost steam. Best of luck, I look forward to hearing what you all think of it!

  • @Vaellas
    @Vaellas 10 месяцев назад +1

    I really enjoyed Legion and after this am going to go back to it again. I do find though that John's voice in the books always felt a bit off, like it didn't quite fit in, which also felt funny with the spy having the most different voice that stuck out like a sore thumb from everyone else.

  • @-Gojiro-
    @-Gojiro- 10 месяцев назад +3

    I was a fan of the Alpha Legion from the primarch book. This book really solidified my love for their whole vibe.

  • @mostly_harmless3789
    @mostly_harmless3789 10 месяцев назад +3

    I don't need to read the Horus Heresy, I just listen to Mira's action movie plot summary

  • @happyharibo1330
    @happyharibo1330 10 месяцев назад +6

    I have been resisting even touching the Horus Heresy with a 16 foot force pike for a very long time. But these Book Club videos are slowly crumbling my desparate resolve not to go there.....Damn you two!

    • @Keevanus
      @Keevanus 10 месяцев назад +2

      why you even resiting against this? what is the reason to NOT read the books?

    • @happyharibo1330
      @happyharibo1330 10 месяцев назад

      @@Keevanus 50+ books of grisly grinding pseudo biblical cataclismic horror that makes the entire Old Testament seem like a single light novella? Might just give me a little pause for thought. And this comment is coming from a guy who actually read War and Peace, more or less got it and actually enjoyed it at times...

    • @woodwost
      @woodwost 10 месяцев назад +2

      Upside is that you don't/have/ to read all of them - there are lots of mini story arcs throughout that you can dip into whenever you fancy!

  • @HaleysRedComet
    @HaleysRedComet 10 месяцев назад +7

    #1 John Grammaticus fan reporting in

    • @IKMojito
      @IKMojito 10 месяцев назад +3

      #2 John fan here, love the guy

    • @12ratsinatrenchcoat
      @12ratsinatrenchcoat 9 месяцев назад +2

      #1 John Hater reporting for duty! (Also he’s really great in this book.)

  • @johnlander2219
    @johnlander2219 10 месяцев назад +2

    I’m always so pleasantly surprised by these! Great stuff. ❤

  • @lucidnonsenseable
    @lucidnonsenseable 10 месяцев назад +3

    Honestly when I read this the first time I felt like it was aiming for the tone of an Iain M Banks culture novel

  • @Vroomerz
    @Vroomerz 9 месяцев назад +1

    Understand that all of the books are about the Alpha Legion.

  • @ReverendMeat51
    @ReverendMeat51 10 месяцев назад +1

    Are y'all planning to do the short story anthologies? There's a lot of great stuff tucked away in those, I distinctly remember a couple Alpha Legion stories (and the closest we get to a Night Lords book is in an anthology as well)

  • @ToTheNines87368
    @ToTheNines87368 10 месяцев назад +7

    One of my favorite characters in that book is the lord commander. He’s so pompous and extravagant and way different than the lord commanders in the 40k setting

    • @brundlefly45
      @brundlefly45 10 месяцев назад +1

      He even has a sinister feline creature to pet smugly

    • @davegilden6603
      @davegilden6603 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@brundlefly45 it's a Thylacine isn't it? Nothing more extravagant than an extinct earth species

  • @synthomite405
    @synthomite405 6 месяцев назад +1

    riffing off sonething mira said, this book is one of the only times a war in 40k feels very contemporary, like Afghanistan/Iraq. Especially at the start.

  • @GooglyEyedSkull
    @GooglyEyedSkull 10 месяцев назад +3

    ...and then reading 'Alpharius' gives this book a whole new spin.

  • @Teukro
    @Teukro 10 месяцев назад +2

    Fantastic book, so far my fav of the HH (and probably whole Black Library)

  • @MostSereneChris
    @MostSereneChris 10 месяцев назад +1

    I personally don't rate Legion as highly as seemingly most people do but I still think its a great book. I actually prefer the alpha legion plot in Deliverance Lost to this book but that's just my personal taste. Excellent book club as always.

  • @MikeH89
    @MikeH89 10 месяцев назад +3

    Always loved the alpha Legion with their plans within plans. Finding out that they might have cultivated that rep in order to throw people off is even better. So that's plans within plans adjacent to plans within plans 😅

  • @shanehislop5360
    @shanehislop5360 10 месяцев назад +1

    Spoiler - I always wonder the significance of the bedlam song that Dimiter Shiban dreams about (while being corrupted by chaos shrapnel) and that Peto remembers his mother singing, and the connection where John Grammaticus uses the word 'bedlam' to try and control Peto.

  • @kerlyenai
    @kerlyenai 10 месяцев назад +2

    Mira's intros are just the best!

  • @leakycheese
    @leakycheese 10 месяцев назад +1

    Cool discussion thanks, Legion sits at the table for my 5 favourite heresy novels, Abnett writing at his very best. The idea of writing a book about the Alpha Legion from the perspective of (mainly) outsider non-Astartes was an inspired choice.
    I've often thought John Grammaticus is Abnett's favourite heresy character based on this book and his many appearances in later novels. I once had chance to ask him in person about Grammaticus and he said one of main narrative purposes of Legion was to set his character up for the series.
    Also, got to admire Abnett's choice of name for his perpetual Cabal spy; he literally used a name straight out of history, John VII of Constantinople aka John Grammatikos (Grammaticus). Given John's nature in the book, I don't think this choice was based alone on how interesting this name sounds. John is an agent of the Cabal, implacably opposed to the primordial annihilator has more than a passing similarity to Grammatikos' real-life role as a Byzantine Iconoclast, a destroyer of symbols of false religious beliefs.

  • @PsychoticFruitfly
    @PsychoticFruitfly 7 месяцев назад +1

    @12:15...... it's the kind of stupid games officers will play to keep their soldiers occupied between firefights.

  • @drashkeev
    @drashkeev 10 месяцев назад +3

    Hetman is a Ukrainian war leader and/or head of state. Zelensky used a Hetman's ceremonial mace at his swear-in ceremony. Totally a thing!
    Uxor is Latin for wife. Totally a thing!

    • @voland6846
      @voland6846 10 месяцев назад

      Much broader than Ukrainian. Most famously it was a Cossack title, but also Polish, Lithuanian, Bohemian/Czech, Romanian/Moldovan and probably more I'm forgetting.

  • @Tardigradico
    @Tardigradico 10 месяцев назад +2

    I'm definitely not going to read the HH series, but you're still fun to watch :D

  • @Thetallestgirrafe
    @Thetallestgirrafe 10 месяцев назад +4

    Overall I found it a bit disappointing. There are two pitfalls of the Alpha legion I felt it kinda embodied; 1) if they’re so clever and amazing at what they do, it’d be impossible for them to ever fail 2) their acceptance of the cabal feels weird. While Pretorian of Dorn is great as it helps to show up point 1, this book needed to better express the weaknesses of the Alpha legion; displaying plans going wrong, their hubris and the chaotic nature of the universe belying the complex webs they weave. It’s worth mentioning character arcs etc are still good though. It is an Abnett book after all.

  • @6dragondaddy913
    @6dragondaddy913 10 месяцев назад +1

    Alpha Legion painters are nuts though. I've seen so many of AL shifting from a loyalist color into the Legion.

  • @phantasmrain
    @phantasmrain 10 месяцев назад +4

    IN A WORLD where Mira is Alpharius!

  • @dmeep
    @dmeep 10 месяцев назад +1

    legion , the admech book and the one about the assaination force are my favourite HH books

  • @oleww50
    @oleww50 10 месяцев назад +1

    I’ve been waiting for this one! 🙌❤️

  • @louloup2334
    @louloup2334 10 месяцев назад +5

    i guess one could say the chiliad isn't chill at all