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  • Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
  • "Wizard Of Legend really makes you feel like a Wizard" - IGN probably
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    0:00 Why Roguelites Kinda Suck
    0:36 How Wizard Of Legend solves boring repetitive combat
    2:40 Why Wizard Of Legend has perfectly balanced combat
    4:29 Why Roguelites Struggle With Meta Progression
    5:31 Why Roguelites are rarely replayed years later
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    Title: This amazing game ruined Roguelites for me - Wizard of Legend
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  • @EljayIsHere
    @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +225

    Sorry this is 2 weeks between videos! I'd love to say I have an excuse... so yeah, just assume I do have a good one

    • @jachetugaming9840
      @jachetugaming9840 2 месяца назад +2

      Your channel is exactly what I have been looking for rn, these kinds of videos are right up my alley, undiscovered gems 💎 ✨

  • @yukkahiro
    @yukkahiro 2 месяца назад +1277

    >Roguelites kinda suck
    >*Shows cult of the lamb*
    I wonder why

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +296

      I found the dungeon segment was counterproductive to the cult management, after a while they almost clashed.
      But also, it’s mostly became compared to other games in the genre it’s just lacking

    • @BiCuror
      @BiCuror 2 месяца назад +110

      >Also shows hades
      >wonder why
      he literally showed 2 popular games, which are kinda shit at being rogulites

    • @kubistonek
      @kubistonek 2 месяца назад +267

      @@BiCuror both literally one of the best roguelites objectively

    • @heysalve9753
      @heysalve9753 2 месяца назад +308

      @@BiCuror I can kinda agree on cult of the lamb. Hades is one of best games ever tho. The roguelite aspect is pretty good, the story is amazing.

    • @BiCuror
      @BiCuror 2 месяца назад +33

      @@kubistonek, mb check definition of "objectivity"

  • @LuckyNoodleFox
    @LuckyNoodleFox 2 месяца назад +853

    Finally, a reason to play a game hidden in my steam library

    • @shinyuta
      @shinyuta 2 месяца назад +14

      I literally have it in my library and I don't remember buying it lol. Maybe it was part of a humble bundle

    • @JustANyanCat
      @JustANyanCat 2 месяца назад +1

      @@shinyuta Wait, I too have it in my library LOL

    • @jamesdietzen7305
      @jamesdietzen7305 2 месяца назад

      @@JustANyanCat me too LMAO. i agree it was probably a humble bundle tho

    • @Piorunes
      @Piorunes 2 месяца назад

      @@shinyuta same :P

  • @werdfeefs7027
    @werdfeefs7027 2 месяца назад +366

    So, if you haven't played Noita... You should.
    Does it start out brutally hard and with limited options simply because you can't even make it past the first area? Perhaps.
    But as soon as you do manage to do that consistently, the wand crafting system starts letting you do some ridiculous things. Heat-seeking slime clouds, drowning the world in alcohol, miniguns that shoot exploding mushrooms, or simply firing one dinky little magic missile... Every frame.
    I think it would scratch a similar itch here, and once you get *good* at the game
    well, that's when all of a sudden it turns from what seemed like a simple roguelike into a game packed to the gills with secrets and hidden quests and parallel worlds and...

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +67

      I was going to stream this one on the channel! Since I wasn’t sure a review would work.

    • @werdfeefs7027
      @werdfeefs7027 2 месяца назад +29

      @@EljayIsHere That's totally fair, it's a pretty involved game and difficult to crunch into a review.
      (Also, you seem pretty cool. I'm afraid I can't really watch live streams, but you've got a subscriber and I'll check out the VoD. :)

    • @light819
      @light819 2 месяца назад +15

      yeah noita and wizard of legend are like siblings separated at birth

    • @totaloof
      @totaloof 2 месяца назад +1

      @@EljayIsHere It's a bit different to the other rougelites mentioned considering it's an fps but I would strongly recommend roboquest. It has meta progression like the others but you have access to the full arsenal of guns and in-run upgrades from the get-go, it's a really great game

    • @KillingTheMeta
      @KillingTheMeta Месяц назад +1

      Noita holds a special place in my heart.
      What starts off as a brutal rougelite sandbox game, turns into a hardcore Finnish god simulator where your immortality is only challenged by your inability to afford a better cpu and silly pink liquid if you haven’t phased it out of reality by doing a heroic dose of psychedelic mushrooms

  • @JoStro_
    @JoStro_ 2 месяца назад +290

    the way you're describing it makes it sound like it shares a lot of elements with deckbuilder rougelikes, where a lot of the exitement comes from finding interesting and powerful synergies between a bunch of mechanics interacting with eachother. I love deckbuilding roguelikes and I feel like I miss that style of discovery in more action focused roguelikes, so this sounds super interesting to me.

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +49

      It can be like that!
      I think the fun for me is mastering the combat, but part of that is also getting a new spell mid dungeon on the fly and suddenly you’re adapting your entire fighting style to it.

    • @ryanm6004
      @ryanm6004 2 месяца назад +9

      Go try it, I've been playing it for years now and it's still my favorite roguelike of all time despite having extensively played dozens of games in the genre and basically every subgenre. Finding a cursed relic that synergizes with the rest of your build perfectly in this game is probably the best that exact rush of excitement you're talking about gets in any roguelike I've played.
      Noita is another one that does that really well with its wand crafting system.

    • @tyler403
      @tyler403 2 месяца назад +3

      The thing with deck builders is that sometimes you have to use a certain meta strat to win, like high ascensions in slay the spire, but with this game you can run literally anything and win

    • @sneeringzorbone
      @sneeringzorbone 2 месяца назад +3

      ​@EljayIsHere Have you ever tried enter the gungeon? It seems to have similar play style with finding guns throughout the floors of the dungeon. The combat is challenging, but also shares the start of the room aspect where you can dodge to assess how to go about clearing it. The learning curve has a similar aspect where you can die a bunch until something clicks and you start understanding how to play. Sorry for the essay, if you haven't tried I would recommend it.

    • @jemm113
      @jemm113 2 месяца назад

      @@sneeringzorbone Yeah, Gungeon would fall into the category of really good Roguelite!

  • @ZDaisho
    @ZDaisho 2 месяца назад +154

    another thing i really appreciate is the simplicity of the plot, theres no world ending threat, no apocolypse. Youre just a wizard at a yearly competition here to pick up some expirience and a shot at a chaos arcana. All the masters are supportive of you once you beat, them and its just a simple story. Those are few and far between these days.

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +17

      Dude yes this is such a good point

  • @mageferago
    @mageferago 2 месяца назад +58

    I think Dead Cells actually does roguelite progression perfectly.
    For instance, the health potion upgrade, which increases the amount of potion charges you can heal from during stages, goes up from just 1 charge to 4 total. This is a HUGE upgrade and is really good because you can refill your health bar whenever you take a huge hit.
    Sounds broken? It's great, until you beat the first difficulty, and suddenly you can't completely refill your health flask between each stage, and as you go up in difficulty, eventually you cannot refill your health flask AT ALL during a run, leaving you with 4 charges to get you through 6 stages and 3 bosses where anything can go wrong.
    And that's where it forces you to improve as a player, because you can't fall back on your health to get you out of bad situations, and are significantly more punished for mistakes.
    Giving a player this kind of strong resource, but then taking it away in this fashion as they progress to harder difficulties, is honestly the direction I hope Wizard of Legend 2 takes, since it's targeting more tangible roguelite progression than just unlocking new spells.

    • @Tom-rd8dd
      @Tom-rd8dd 2 месяца назад +10

      with some changes to really weak weapons and making the maps fair I think It would've been perfect and also they didn't finish the legendary affixes the finished ones are cool tho. I feel encouraged to play the optimal route every run because I might not be able to win if I go promenade or silk village/specular. Weapons like pistol and machete/twin daggers and ice bow needs a serious rework or buff

    • @gooseta9583
      @gooseta9583 2 месяца назад +5

      I think dead cells become a worse version of itself, whey they started that thing with collaborations. Gameplay has become less more accurate and skill based. Also balance patches harmed the game a lot

    • @blitzboy2934
      @blitzboy2934 Месяц назад

      @@Tom-rd8ddthey’re still making all of the unique legendary affixes. There are a ton of weapons and other stuff that they need to give special aspects to

    • @blitzboy2934
      @blitzboy2934 Месяц назад +3

      @@gooseta9583how did balance patches harm the game? Also, what’s wrong with the collaboration updates? I thought they were pretty cool. Sure, some of the weapons (the bat) can be busted, but they’ve been toned down a bit, but nothing is truly perfect.

    • @gooseta9583
      @gooseta9583 Месяц назад +1

      @@blitzboy2934 newer balance patches made a lot of weapons much weaker, this caused that you want to play only with 2-3 types of weapons, also they aded a lot of weapons, but they are mostly weak and unplayable. Collaborations just poorly integrated to the game. That's just collaborations for collaborations and that destroys the atmosphere of the game

  • @malagargamer5598
    @malagargamer5598 2 месяца назад +126

    They are making a sequel!
    4 player co op.
    Only thing i dont like is the 3d graphics. should stay pixel imo

    • @unfairverona
      @unfairverona 2 месяца назад +12

      I enjoy the new style, reminds me of another favorite game called Ravenswatch

    • @rlan.0
      @rlan.0 2 месяца назад +4

      3d graphics are allowing from some beautiful lighting to be fair

    • @Ready_Set_Boom
      @Ready_Set_Boom 2 месяца назад +3

      This game didn’t need 4 player coop. I hope it doesn’t ruin the sequel.

    • @LunarrWind
      @LunarrWind 2 месяца назад +6

      It looks different because it's being made by an entirely different studio of developers.
      The original Wizard of Legend was (If I have my facts straight) made by two people. They were both 18 year old 'kids' when they made the game, and got it published via Humble Bundle.
      Now Humble Bundle, who I'm guessing owns the IP and rights to WoL, has brought in an entirely new dev team to make the sequel.
      Maybe the original guys just didn't want to make a sequel, and Humble decided to go ahead without them. I don't have anymore info on that.

    • @jonaut5705
      @jonaut5705 2 месяца назад +13

      @@Ready_Set_Boom I mean, I thought the multiplayer in the first game was really fun, so presumably it'll be great in the sequel too (given the other dev team makes a game as good as the first, which isn't guaranteed)

  • @Fallen_Pup
    @Fallen_Pup 2 месяца назад +13

    I like how Binding of Isaac wasn't mentioned at all

    • @pk251
      @pk251 Месяц назад

      🤫

    • @SilkyForestMoose
      @SilkyForestMoose Месяц назад

      Shhh, don’t scare him, he might not know it exists.

  • @nooruzuneel5343
    @nooruzuneel5343 2 месяца назад +175

    Not at all the quality review I expected for a video with 58 views. You're like the Scamboli review of this niche genre

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +17

      Sorry! I don’t know what that means, I know I rushed a bit on this one so the quality is lower, that’s my bad!

    • @nooruzuneel5343
      @nooruzuneel5343 2 месяца назад +43

      @@EljayIsHere nah I meant, such a high quality, something you see from those 500k view vids

    • @nooruzuneel5343
      @nooruzuneel5343 2 месяца назад +20

      @@EljayIsHere Scamboli reviews is a anime reviewer, check his edit style out, I felt similarities

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +28

      Ohhhh! Hahaha thanks! Sorry replied half asleep

    • @bigbackman3609
      @bigbackman3609 2 месяца назад +3

      damn same algos

  • @HeartbrokenHeartshooter
    @HeartbrokenHeartshooter 2 месяца назад +24

    What’s crazy is this game is so good that its sequel looks kinda crap, despite obvious love being poured into it.

    • @jonaut5705
      @jonaut5705 2 месяца назад +6

      i think it's mainly the absence of pixel art that makes it look more generic

    • @zencrystal1383
      @zencrystal1383 2 месяца назад +5

      It’s a different studio making it

    • @blitzboy2934
      @blitzboy2934 Месяц назад +1

      I feel like the visuals look a little weird, but some adjustments or just getting used to it could be really nice.

  • @ILiekFishes
    @ILiekFishes 2 месяца назад +11

    "if you meta progress to a point where you can't lose, why are you playing?"
    because... you up the heat to a level that you can't steamroll? because it would be overwhelming if you started with the whole mirror unlocked and a level of each pact of punishment, so instead you start with neither and are encouraged to go at your own pace, so that even if you're bad you can still feel like you're improving?

  • @filioperibeiro6285
    @filioperibeiro6285 2 месяца назад +11

    Streets of Rogue is legit the best Roguelite I've ever played, it's mostly inspired by Deus Ex.
    There's alot of freedom which brings alot of replayability too.
    And there's mutations, which are used to modify the game however you want, also brings even more replayability.
    You should try Streets of Rogue if you haven't already.
    But you also managed to interest me on Wizard of Legends, I'll give it a try it looks very fun.

    • @jokerofspades-xt3bs
      @jokerofspades-xt3bs 2 месяца назад +2

      Streets of Rogue is my most played game of all time (600 hours). If thats not a sign of replayability then I don't know what is

    • @filioperibeiro6285
      @filioperibeiro6285 2 месяца назад +3

      @@jokerofspades-xt3bs it's so much fun
      I can see myself replaying it a ton, I did all the achievements and now I'm trying to finish the game with every character to unlock their super ability.
      I can't wait for the sequel, it's not going to be a Roguelite but it looks so good.

  • @nottayion
    @nottayion 2 месяца назад +7

    wizard of legend was my intro to roguelikes and now it’s my favorite genre 💀

    • @blitzboy2934
      @blitzboy2934 Месяц назад +1

      I’ve always really liked roguelikes and roguelites. Gungeon was my first try at it, and that game is one of my favorites. I got it on switch for $15 a few years ago, and have over 350 hours on it. Also, Metroidvanias are awesome. Similar situation with Gungeon for Hollow Knight. It was my first of the genre, and I’ve got roughly 300 hours in it. Another good Metroidvania is a game called Worldless on steam, and it’s stupidly good for no reason.

  • @FroggyKing22
    @FroggyKing22 2 месяца назад +5

    I really like to play rouge like with my sibling, however a lot of time one of us ends up just becoming more powerful than the other. In this game I felt like we were both able to have incredibly unique playstyles without either of us being left behind.

  • @AWanderingSwordsman
    @AWanderingSwordsman 2 месяца назад +12

    There's no better roguelike experience than wizard of legend with the pre run option to cycle your spells every few times you use them. It's an experience I wish other roguelikes would have. Having to figure out what you have and how it works on the fly constantly for all your spells is just amazing and if you ever have a truly horrible line up, it'll get swapped out pretty quickly.
    The game does IMO have one real issue though and that is the camera is just slightly too zoomed in making it really easy to get tagged by off screen enemies. It can't really afford to zoom out much more either so I don't know the optimal solution but it became more and more of a nuisance the better I got at the game and the more challenging things I tried to do.
    I hope the sequel ends up well even if it has some concerning stuff around it's development (different dev, same publisher, new artstyle). Still, I very much hope for the best for it.

  • @secretzombier.8730
    @secretzombier.8730 2 месяца назад +71

    Games like cult of the lamb and hades is a rogueLITE. The difference is that a rogueLITE lets you grow in power and a rogueLIKE forces you to try different things and none of them are more overpowered than the rest. I love wizard of legend so I’m so glad someone made a video about just why it’s so good!

    • @beegyoshi1685
      @beegyoshi1685 2 месяца назад +3

      or if you are playing something like dead cells they are all overpowered lol

    • @toolazytobeoriginal4587
      @toolazytobeoriginal4587 2 месяца назад +10

      Isn't that a false dichotomy? Just because a roguelite has lasting progression doesn't mean that it can't/doesn't force you to try different things. It's just that a lot of the popular roguelites don't go as hard into synergies as some roguelikes do. I mean sure the progression can help you beat the game, but it rarely(at least when done well) is enough to just allow you to win without actually experimenting with builds. I mean dead cells is like one of the easiest examples of a roguelite that basically forces you (or at least heavily incentivizes) experimentation

    • @beegyoshi1685
      @beegyoshi1685 2 месяца назад

      @@toolazytobeoriginal4587 it kinda is? but that is the only form of progression on a roguelike unlike in a roguelite where you can get stronger each run is what they meant most likely. Doesn't seem like they conveyed it that well tho, so it is normal to misinterpret (or maybe i misinterpreted it idk man)

    • @jonaut5705
      @jonaut5705 2 месяца назад +2

      well, that's one interpretation, there are so goddamn many. Another big one is that roguelikes have to be turn based, for example. There's no real consensus on which is which, so the terms are generally interchangeable, with the exception being that roguelikes are generally a little closer to the actual core roguelike games (rogue, ADOM, nethack etc.), and roguelites are a little farther, usually being other concepts with some roguelike concepts thrown in like permadeath or procedural generation. but also sometimes the turn based ones are called traditional roguelikes, it's just really convoluted and it's not really worth trying to separate them for most purposes

    • @deebun2015
      @deebun2015 2 месяца назад +2

      Aren't roguelikes supposed to be grid based dungeon crawlers? You know... like Rogue, games like CDDA, Caves of Qud and Unreal world are all DIRECTLY inspired by Rogue, hence Rogue-"LIKE". Roguelite should be used as a broad term for games that has similarities to Rogue (Procedural generation and/or Permadeath), it'd be so dumb to improperly use the name of an ACTUAL genre just to differentiate a Roguelite that has Meta-Progression as opposed to one that has none.
      If that mindset was applied to ALL genre, then Minecraft would be a hack and slash, beat em' up game. I'm fine with terms and genres changing meaning over time (Like RPGs) but this one absolutely makes no sense and makes it super hard to mention Roguelike games, even the term "Traditional roguelike" is being used for Roguelite games SIMPLY because some are turn based and have some minor amount of Permadeath/Randomness.

  • @thealchemist7843
    @thealchemist7843 2 месяца назад +10

    PLEASE play Noita, it's probably the most convoluted game I have ever played, (at least when you look at all the things you can do) but even knowing just the basics is really rewarding.
    There's some people that build these honestly just ridiculous wands that utilize specific mathematical equations to summon a deer in a separate reality, just to swap your position with it, or a wand that creates an infinite lifetime projectile that follows you around and fights for you. I understand MAYBE ten percent of the game, and I have played it for only about 120 hours.
    I know the game might be hard starting out, but once you get to know how even one little thing works, you're golden. (Just remember, chainsaws are your friend)
    also, Hämis.

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +3

      It’s on the list! And also been requested a lot with this video hahaha

    • @eow4317
      @eow4317 2 месяца назад +1

      I forking hate that game it’s worse than rain world

    • @anusaukko6792
      @anusaukko6792 2 месяца назад

      @@eow4317 I fucking love that game it's better than rain world

    • @thealchemist7843
      @thealchemist7843 2 месяца назад

      @@eow4317 i have 300 hours in it :)

    • @sethb3090
      @sethb3090 2 месяца назад +1

      Other rogue likes expect you to optimize. Noita expects you to snap the game mechanics in half so things can get serious. Every impassable barrier in the game is a test to see if you can assemble something clever or broken enough to pass it anyway and find another challenge.
      And that's really it. There's no absolute rule in the game. There are a lot of hard rules, but if you know what you're doing and get the right stuff, you can break every last one. (Heck, the current WR speed run involves straight-up stealing a giant meticulously created spell from a previous run using an interaction that would be considered a bug if it didn't fit the lore so well).

  • @OceanVista76
    @OceanVista76 2 месяца назад +4

    5:28 I too freaked out when I beat the final boss of this game

  • @oliver-ip6bc
    @oliver-ip6bc 2 месяца назад +65

    huh... it was only reading the comments that I realized that your video didn't have like 600k views. youtube give this guy more views

  • @theadventuresofsolykos6433
    @theadventuresofsolykos6433 2 месяца назад +19

    Hmm I have this in my library frm a humble bundle sale. Might have to give it a go now. Thanks for the breakdown.

  • @TEHAWSOMEMEH
    @TEHAWSOMEMEH 2 месяца назад +10

    Ngl this video actually made me want to play noita again for some reason

    • @ryanm6004
      @ryanm6004 2 месяца назад +1

      Noita scratches the same itch as wizard of legend for me, it's built on a lot of the same principles and I love it to death. But I am much worse at it than WoL.

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +2

      Everyone keeps telling me to play it after this video hahaha

  • @psychicchicken5263
    @psychicchicken5263 2 месяца назад +5

    You should try Crypt of the Necrodancer, the progression is super fast and skill-based, in fact, pretty much everything in the game happens very quickly if you're skilled enough. There's also a *ton* of run variety with different characters, modes, multiplayer, mods, etc. And the characters all feel like separate adventures rather than just changing an attack or whatever.

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +1

      I really want too! I hear it got a massive update too?

    • @psychicchicken5263
      @psychicchicken5263 2 месяца назад +1

      @@EljayIsHere Yeah, the Synchrony DLC added new characters, enemies, items, a new item type, online multiplayer, better mod support, cross-platform, even cross-platform mods, the list just goes on and on...

  • @HarrisonLongmore-th3bk
    @HarrisonLongmore-th3bk 24 дня назад +2

    What a well crafted video essay! I feel the same way about Wizard of Legend! I also found this in a lesser known title called Vagante that doesn't give you overpowered stats to win but allows for the simple progression described in your video!

  • @TheNemkris
    @TheNemkris 2 месяца назад +29

    The progression isn't there, it could not keep me motivated to play it at all.

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +29

      Oh man I loved it, it felt way more rewarding to progress from my own skill, getting faster, smarter, and learning more every run instead of just being stronger thanks to upgrades
      But I do prefer roguelikes more than roguelites

    • @TheNemkris
      @TheNemkris 2 месяца назад +18

      @@EljayIsHere Different strokes for different folks.

    • @livedandletdie
      @livedandletdie 2 месяца назад +15

      @@TheNemkris I don't like playing a game for 50 hours to unlock a bloody health buff... I am an ARPG player, and a Bullethell enjoyer, If the game isn't testing my skill, my decision making, and my endurance, it's not a good game, if I can just die 500 games in a row to become an unstoppable monster... it's not fun.

    • @TheNemkris
      @TheNemkris 2 месяца назад +5

      @@livedandletdie But that is an unfair characterization. Try Hades, try Deadcells and you will know ur dead wrong.

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +14

      My main problem with Hades personally is how little story they give you each win hahaha
      I ran that game so many times and was getting so annoyed at talking to his mum for 3 lines then dying, with no new info being revealed.
      I really think it’s just different gameplay appeals to different people as well, no one here is wrong :) just preferences

  • @nobelphoenix
    @nobelphoenix Месяц назад +2

    At 3:50 you talk about how the first boss's pattern is just "dodge, dodge, dodge then strike, then repeat".. what really got me by surprise was how the bosses scaled according to the level you were at. The fire boss at the end of first stage only does that minor pattern but if you see her at the end of second stage she does something else and they even use the spells you can get as arcana cards; which makes it so that even if you are seeing them using a move for the first time if you've used that arcana before you know what to expect from the visual cues alone. This game is simply clever in its design.
    edit: lol a second later in the video you talk about the second part of what I love about boss design in this game and yeah, it deserves the praise.

  • @bbdragon43
    @bbdragon43 2 месяца назад +2

    Spent hours 1v1ing my friends in this game just discovering combos of what worked and what didn't. Miss those days

  • @durttheelder4035
    @durttheelder4035 2 месяца назад +5

    My problem with Wizard of Legend is that I have to play action roguelikes/roguelites with a controller
    and I can't adjust the key binds of Wizard of Legend
    so I can't play it, but it seems like a game I'd like

    • @anonmisfit
      @anonmisfit 2 месяца назад

      been playin w different controllers, including steam deck for 700+hrs, i think youll do well ;)

    • @VinTJ
      @VinTJ 2 месяца назад +2

      oddly enough, despite agreeing that Hades is best played with Controller, I think Wizard of Legend is a fine KB+M game. especially if you have a gaming mouse with two side buttons, it makes all your arcanas / skills be handily used. not to mention Wizard of Legend has a lot more precise aiming required.

    • @Cerberusismycat
      @Cerberusismycat Месяц назад

      @@VinTJ Keyboard and Mouse VS Controller in WoL has a couple differences - Controller sports any direction whereas keyboard mouse is limited to orthogonal, however keyboard mouse has Dash to Mouse along with adjustable keybinds. i find if you can get around aiming on a controller it is more fluent and better to play with.

  • @SylvesterAshcroft88
    @SylvesterAshcroft88 2 месяца назад

    I've had this game in my library for years, and i still need to play it, but i didn't know where to start when i launched it just over a year ago, similar to the start of magicite, which felt like an impenetrable wall to overcome.

  • @harshvats6183
    @harshvats6183 2 месяца назад +1

    nice video my guy, i believe u have what it takes to make it big. keep it up

  • @Nichoma
    @Nichoma 2 месяца назад +1

    There is a bit of a meta best pick set up in my opinion. I always ran with the cloak that lowers your hp to 100 and gives you health regen after a few seconds of taking no damage and I pair it with the relic that makes all damage you take have a hard cap of 10% your max hp. It makes survival significantly easier and once I found the combo it was hard to justify not using it. Also it does lose a bit of replayability over time once you get most of the void arcana.
    That all being said its a 15$ game ive played for over 100 hours and i loved every second of it. It is an incredible game that i would highly recommend and I cant wait to see what they do in the sequel.

  • @dougman1067
    @dougman1067 20 дней назад

    yo if ur playing this game go try a build where you use that gear relic that lets you get that strong attack when you break projectiles its awesome

  • @Foto17
    @Foto17 2 месяца назад +2

    Have you played Enter The Gungeon before? I’m surprised I haven’t seen it mentioned here in the comments yet. It’s definitely not as much of a “deckbuilder” roguelike as the items you get in runs are more random, but that randomness adds to the replayability a lot. The progression is definitely slow at first, but there’s still so much in the game. The main turnoff is probably the difficulty when first getting into it, but it’s really fun to learn how to predict attacks and get better at dodging everything. I’ve done almost everything in the game, and still occasionally go back to do runs and challenge myself.

    • @haotatyan
      @haotatyan 2 месяца назад

      Its a different genre

  • @Lord_Chibi
    @Lord_Chibi 12 дней назад

    One roguelite I really recommend is Spelunky (and Spelunky 2); the game is hard, but it's grounded: you have a weapon/tool slot, a backpack slot, and then extra items on top of ropes and bombs, that's it, the other items mostly just give a few minor buffs like extra mobility etc, but typically not anything you'd need to beat the game.
    The "roguelite" part comes from the shortcut system: everytime you unlock a new world, you unlock a shortcut, which gives you a skip to that level, however, to unlock it, you must do multiple runs and then carry the right items to give to the npc that gives shortcuts to even unlock a single shortcut, let alone the harder ones that appear later on.
    However, to balance this out, to get the true ending/secret worlds of both games, you must get specific items placed into each world, which means you cannot use shortcuts to cheese it, but rest assured these items have guaranteed spawns and are pretty easy to find. (The game also isn't too long if you're speeding through it so it wont take you 4 hours or something to get all these items in a run).
    The reason why the game is good is because it's almost entirely skill: every enemy/trap is telegraphed, so you know how to fight them. So as the runs go on, the game doesn't become easier, you just become better. Yes you will still die due to an attack knocking you into a trap or you blowing yourself up, but it's also how the game balances you learning everything: there's a certain layer of chaos that adds replayability.
    There's also the part where the map is destructible (mostly due to explosions), which means you can use things like bombs in creative ways (one of the notable ones being in spelunky 2 where people found out you could skip the use of a "self revive item" needed to get the true ending, allowing you to keep it for yourself).

  • @SieromneDamietso-xm4pz
    @SieromneDamietso-xm4pz Месяц назад

    5:14 As you were talking about not having any op builds, you find magnetic follow up to sync with bolt rail & fueled berserk. That's about the equivalent of holding down backspace on enemy health bars 😂. Tbf, it's still not a guaranteed combo to win, but it's a relatively op synergy

  • @Nessaurio
    @Nessaurio 14 дней назад

    I will play with you! I am in love with this game, have been for a while and can't wait for the sequel to come out

  • @light819
    @light819 2 месяца назад +1

    Love wizard of legend but I was really hoping wizard of legend 2 that just got announced would pull a risk of rain 2 and go full 3d with an over the shoulder camera

  • @dylancooper1394
    @dylancooper1394 2 месяца назад

    All great points, I absolutely love this game. Also something that adds to the replayability immensely for me, is that every time you beat the final boss you unlock a special spell that you can only obtain by beating him. I own every item in the game now, and am just working on unlocking all those last spells :)

  • @johnkim1048
    @johnkim1048 2 месяца назад +4

    I just wanted to ask if you played risk of rain 2 or Slay the spire? I feel like they are both really awesome roguelites, with a lot of replayability. I will say that they do start off slower (especially Risk of rain 2).

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +2

      So I’m thinking about streaming slay the spire soon! It’s so well known and fantastic a review seems silly, but I missed it sadly so keen to try it before 2 comes out

  • @CorruptionKin
    @CorruptionKin 13 дней назад

    I played this a few months ago and found it so hard that i started elden ring

  • @ValeriaPaper
    @ValeriaPaper Месяц назад

    Welp, the demo for a sequel came out recently. I'd like to hear your opinion on it.

  • @dvd72
    @dvd72 2 месяца назад +3

    What other roguelike/lites have u played?

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +1

      At this point it’s probably easier to check what I haven’t played

    • @arron390
      @arron390 Месяц назад

      @@EljayIsHere have you tried slay the spire?

  • @MegaPhil92
    @MegaPhil92 26 дней назад

    Hey Guys, what is that Gnome/Dwarf Game at 4:39, and is it worth playing? Greetings!

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  26 дней назад

      Barony I did a video on it, it’s sick!

  • @seussusamongoose2905
    @seussusamongoose2905 2 месяца назад +1

    Warm Snow has similar in-run diversity, you might like that one. You can beat the game on a fresh save too (might need to have played before, but it’s very doable).
    The first difficulty is balanced around having nothing, and all the higher difficulties are balanced by giving you much more complicated upgrades to keep you interested.
    There’s around 16 classes in the game, and they’re all unique and viable without needing to play a specific “meta” build. (E.g., Even effect-specialised classes like the poison class can actively support about a dozen cool builds that have nothing to do with poison.)
    Every item can be put into one of four inventory slots, and the effect completely changes depending on where it is. I have tried over 300 unique builds at this point for sure (with a theme and a cool payoff) and they were all really satisfying. You’ll feel heavily rewarded for having fun, theory crafting ideas and experimenting with what you find 👨‍🔬👍

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks for the recommendation! :) Now I just need to get through the other hundreds of games hahaha but it does sound cool!

  • @SuperSpaceBros
    @SuperSpaceBros Месяц назад +1

    Eponym for Jak's Ocarina here, great video!

  • @oanimus07
    @oanimus07 2 месяца назад

    i love your choice of music in your videos

  • @Alex-lu5ui
    @Alex-lu5ui 2 месяца назад +4

    Amazing video dude, keep it up! I was not expecting to be recommended a video about WoL in 2024 lmao, but now I wanna get back into it and dump another 60 hours into it!

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад +2

      Thanks for the kind words! I'm playing a lot of games late to the party hahaha but I'm trying to use this new channel to work through my back catalogue of all the games I missed

  • @xRagingxDemonx
    @xRagingxDemonx 25 дней назад

    I love WoL so much that the Demo for WoL2 feels so weird.
    I still haven't unlocked everything but it's so much fun and every so often i'll play my cousin and we'll duke it out in vs. (he hates the co-op because he dies a lot lol)

  • @patty4449
    @patty4449 2 месяца назад

    Hold my beer

  • @gtkingly8127
    @gtkingly8127 Месяц назад

    man I played this game with a very good friend of mine around the time of release split screen just smoking and playing for 12 hours straight ahhhhht what a good time

  • @hectorruano9423
    @hectorruano9423 Месяц назад +1

    I want to become overpower at one point

  • @sasamak6474
    @sasamak6474 2 месяца назад +1

    i use the same built every time and i can play this fucking game as many times as i want. why is this game so good and why is that one water basic attack so broken

  • @kukukachu
    @kukukachu 2 месяца назад +2

    My go to for a good roguele is Rogue Glitch. If you haven't played it, seriously, check it out and DON'T just put it on your backlog. If you're gonna check it out, check it out, if not, don't bother with it. It gets, CRAZY!

    • @NatanStarke
      @NatanStarke 2 месяца назад +1

      I liked this, i think i will get it

  • @afonsoleitao4439
    @afonsoleitao4439 Месяц назад

    You should try noita it really changed the way I view rouguelikes

  • @seya8282
    @seya8282 2 месяца назад +1

    4:13
    "master my ass he's not even wearing a hood"
    me: ..... ayt

  • @Atzelord
    @Atzelord 2 месяца назад +1

    If you think LoW offers variety you might need to play Noita. Gotta love that you use the Kingdom OST by the way

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад

      Ive been recommended it soooo much hahaha I bought it the other day, very keen!

  • @kamm3021
    @kamm3021 Месяц назад

    There's a way to startworh full relics by doing tutorial again

  • @noophieu5197
    @noophieu5197 2 месяца назад

    4:12 just wait until he put on his hood or better, his second hood.

  • @everythingsetup
    @everythingsetup 2 месяца назад +1

    I beat this game when it came out and when I came back the game was unrecognizable with new bosses and spells and everything it was awesome

  • @AgecTube
    @AgecTube 2 месяца назад +1

    Which are the games shown in the video?

  • @Hematie023
    @Hematie023 2 месяца назад +1

    shadow wizard money gang we love cast,ng spells

  • @Kekeripo
    @Kekeripo 2 месяца назад

    The one thing i noticed about LoW is how even after 40h, i only managed to beat the game once, yet i'm not mad when losing. Ofc, i'd rather win but is still fun to adventure trough the maps. I suggest magicraft if you need a "same, but different" experience to WoL but with a few twists and quiet a bit more odd spells.

  • @morgangames2706
    @morgangames2706 2 месяца назад

    What was the song used in this video it sounds familiar? At the start of 2:40

    • @Nevercleverr
      @Nevercleverr 2 месяца назад

      City of Tears - Hollow Knight OST

  • @haxking2
    @haxking2 2 месяца назад

    I remember coming back to this game recently after a few years and accidentally sinking another 25 hours into it.

  • @Marc-fk6si
    @Marc-fk6si 2 месяца назад +1

    "what the hell was that, where am I? .... who am I...." got me cracking up

  • @TheAverageEnjoyer
    @TheAverageEnjoyer 14 дней назад

    I discovered Wizard of Legend while i was on a Sea Deployment in 2019. This game became such an instant obsession and helped me get through that.

  • @icwiffacee3288
    @icwiffacee3288 2 месяца назад +1

    This video is really high quality man, it popped up in my homepage, the algorithm is taking your side xd keep it up man earned a sub :DD

  • @aplayerplays708
    @aplayerplays708 2 месяца назад

    Have you tried chronoark? Its kinda like slay the spire but not really.

  • @Guddeisr
    @Guddeisr 2 месяца назад +1

    I think that Enter The Gungeon is a good example too. I mean, the difference between runs are new weapons and items, but the stats are always the same on every character. It keeps the difficulty even with great weapons, the system of synergies and the floors and bosses changes the game in every round. Also, the game encourages skill improvement of the the player giving rewards when you take no hit with a boss and other situations. The collectables like keys, blanks or money are generally rare, so you have to be strategic on what to use on a certain moment.
    I know some combinations of weapons and items are super powerful, but the difficulty of the game is always high so you can't be too relaxed. For me, one of the best games I've played.

    • @VinTJ
      @VinTJ 2 месяца назад +2

      I agree. Enter the Gungeon and Wizard of Legend are all-timers for me. so easy to just jump into it when I have nothing else to do.

  • @awso0075
    @awso0075 Месяц назад

    4:33 game name pls

  • @ecrosenow5194
    @ecrosenow5194 2 месяца назад +1

    See the other thing about wizard of legend is that it has made me despise other games with magic systems because wizard of legends just feels like everything I want in one in the most perfect sense, not only are you learning how spells work and what goes well together for your build but it truly will become “your build” because your experience might never be the same as someone else’s with the game, it makes it feel like I’m actually looking and learning wonderful tricks myself in a certain manner whereas other games with magic have a more restricted system, a mage might only have certain spells it’s able to use or unlock and that’s it, or it feels restricted by mana which takes away the magic from the magic in a certain manner of speaking sometimes

  • @hercar20xx5
    @hercar20xx5 2 месяца назад +1

    You’d love Nita as it also is wizard based with hundreds of spells and it also super unique though be warned its super difficult and its secrets are so hidden you are better of just looking a couple up

  • @abdulrahmanwaleed6363
    @abdulrahmanwaleed6363 2 месяца назад +1

    Anyone know what game this is 4:39

  • @Halawanyjr
    @Halawanyjr Месяц назад

    what is the game at minute 4:33 ??

  • @masterpiece1817
    @masterpiece1817 2 месяца назад

    I loved this game, but I could NEVER beat a full run. So hard.

  • @DASVNII
    @DASVNII Месяц назад

    Awsome video essay :)

  • @harmlesschimera4793
    @harmlesschimera4793 2 месяца назад +1

    I remember playing this game when it was on the game pass

  • @davidgusquiloor2665
    @davidgusquiloor2665 2 месяца назад +1

    I was obsessed with this game when it came out, freaking banger. I spent multiple hours trying different card and relic combos and capes just to see what happened.
    I don't usually like rogue likes or lites, but this one was super fun for me.

  • @grayve2122
    @grayve2122 2 месяца назад +1

    Maaaan, your incredibly low sub count SCREAMS to me that I just found a growing gold mine of content. Just binged your entire channel. You're gonna be huge! amazing content

  • @FrontFacing
    @FrontFacing 2 месяца назад +1

    Well.... I fucked up. I thought I'd get a rogue-like for me and my BF to play after work. Now our standards are way too god damn high after 60+ hours of grinding Wizards of Legends. xD

  • @mukelson
    @mukelson Месяц назад

    100 hours into this game and couldn't beat the secret final boss no matter the build. 10/10

  • @janmantsch6675
    @janmantsch6675 2 месяца назад

    There is only one thing that i feel you forgot to mention: The absolute lack of Invincibilty frames, if you get hit in this game you dont get a short window where you cant be damaged by anything else, the enemy will combo you away if you are not carefull!

  • @PhazonNinja
    @PhazonNinja 2 месяца назад +2

    Be sure to beat master sura 10 times and destroy the candles for a special reward!

  • @BlondCurl
    @BlondCurl 2 месяца назад

    Did you ever try the hardmode in Wizzard of Legends? :D It´s incredible!

  • @Limestoneowl
    @Limestoneowl 2 месяца назад

    Got this game on my switch and really enjoyed it on vacation lol
    I should def play this game more or get it on my pc also

  • @novu6196
    @novu6196 2 месяца назад +1

    Love games that turn you into donald the duck when you beat it

  • @hellbr3ad807
    @hellbr3ad807 2 месяца назад

    Wizard of Legend and then Dead Cells set the bar so high up for me, that I can't enjoy any other rougelites as much anymore

  • @somefishhere
    @somefishhere 2 месяца назад

    Wizard of legend is a bullet hell roguelike with how the bosses are designed. It makes me want to try Furi, which I haven’t yet

  • @anonym-hub
    @anonym-hub Месяц назад

    What "Wizard Of Legend" version you talk about? Melody, Thundering keep, Phantom

  • @PKMono
    @PKMono 2 месяца назад +391

    You as good as lost me the moment you showed an upgraded Hades weapon as an example of "bad roguelike upgrades". You really lost me when 5sec later you showed a game that dumps everything on you from second one as "good game design". Don't get me wrong, you make some good points throughout the video, but so many other weird design decisions that would personally REALLY urk me you swept under the rug.

    • @wowdude5056
      @wowdude5056 2 месяца назад +61

      As someone who's played hades 1 and is currently in love with Hades 2 and has sunk 10 hours into it over three days, even I agree that Hades/hades 2 weapons are lack luster compared to other games. But that's ok!! Because hades is over all a story based game so it's not an issue. Which is why if you're looking for super big build variety and literal infinite combos, then you gotta pick up this game when it's on sale. Definitely worth the 5-7$ it cost

    • @sapnavora6834
      @sapnavora6834 2 месяца назад +5

      I don’t think he meant that hades had bad weapon upgrades I think he just used it as b-roll

    • @Drakkenlordz5419
      @Drakkenlordz5419 2 месяца назад +4

      Wa wa wa

    • @Ansalion
      @Ansalion 2 месяца назад +32

      He's not wrong though. Hades is a good game, but it doesn't have interesting weapon upgrades. The variety in the game comes from boons, not upgrading your weapon.

    • @thomasturner1065
      @thomasturner1065 2 месяца назад +10

      Around 5:42 is where his reason for saying so is clarified: very few roguelikes/rogue-lites have any replayability, which kind of defeats the point; they're **supposed** to be replayed, so if you can't keep replaying them, the focus of the game probably isn't the roguelike aspect of it.
      I personally think Hades falls into that category. Having sank hours into it only to discover the weapon upgrades were abysmal (as in, didn't change much), I was pretty disappointed tbh. Not saying Hades is bad overall, but imo it gets very repetitive very quickly as there is almost no variety, even with the weapon upgrades and boons. That's why I stopped playing it.
      It's ofc mostly subjective but one objective thing is that Hades clearly has more focus on story than gameplay variety, and to some people such as myself, that just isn't my thing.

  • @spad4
    @spad4 Месяц назад

    but have you done phase 3 sura

  • @kristofferlape
    @kristofferlape Месяц назад +1

    Thank you for recommending this game! Searched it up and found it was on sale for 70% off! Perfect timing! (sale lasts until May 21)

  • @Goodfeller
    @Goodfeller Месяц назад

    What is the game at 5:49 ???
    And I love the game. Been a while since I played but gonna pick it up again I think.

  • @Flavionnn
    @Flavionnn 2 месяца назад +1

    man try Balatro!

  • @LiterallyMyst
    @LiterallyMyst Месяц назад +1

    SHADOW WIZARD MONEY GANG, WE LOVE CASTING SPELLS. PS: Coop mode is sadly local only. It may work with remote play but unfortunately local only ):

  • @kookigorre
    @kookigorre Месяц назад +1

    What is the game at 4:33 ?

    • @tilllemaignan-durand9375
      @tilllemaignan-durand9375 Месяц назад

      Hey if you are talking about the one in 3d PS2 style art with a goblin its Barony
      If you mean the 2D one i seen it somewhere on steam already so by searching "2D roguelike" you should find it in a few minuts

  • @chiyue5676
    @chiyue5676 2 месяца назад

    today years old when i found out it’s “roguelite” and not “rogue-like”

    • @EljayIsHere
      @EljayIsHere  2 месяца назад

      They’re different :) Lite is a sub genre

  • @Psyko_Monk3y
    @Psyko_Monk3y Месяц назад +1

    Wizard rougelites just work for some reason I suppose.
    * cough *
    Noita
    * cough *

  • @cimoa
    @cimoa 2 месяца назад

    the only bad thing about this game is there's no online mode :(

  • @thetechyboi
    @thetechyboi 25 дней назад

    Aaaand then the second comes out as a demo and lacks all of that! (at least my experience with it)