Excellent review thanks for taking the time. I use to work at Microsoft with the old FlightSim team and know how inspired and avid they were with their platform I am so glad to see it back in glory.
i prefer Microsoft now after watch the video and actually it’s a bit impossible for Brazilians to get a 3090 because it costs about 20 minimum wage. Xbox is much more affordable for Brazilians and it does a good job as we can see. I’m glad.
Years ago, I gave up on flight sims because my level of obsessing with performance outwayed the actual enjoyment of just playing. Now, with my Series X, Thrustmaster Full Kit, LG CX TV and Razer Keyboard and Mouse I'm perfectly happy to fly again.
Same here, I stopped years ago after realizing that I was spending more time tweaking and looking at the FPS count rather than actually enjoying the simulator. I am running the flight sim on a Series S and I am extremely happy. Still wondering how much better it would look on a Series X.
I was the same. I had to upgrade my pc too many times. I have a host of hardware from Goflight. Radio stack, rudders, throttle quadrants, etc. software addons. Now I'm getting back in the game, just waiting for an Xbox to become available for a reasonable price.
This is a high quality review . I wish all reviewers were like you, no ads and promotion, no waffle and unnecessary talks. I am definitely subscribing to your channel !
Great in depth video Mark, you raise some points I hadn't considered (on both sides). I think from a VR perspective and freeware add-ons, it's a no brainer for PC users. However, I think it's remarkable how they've managed to port the sim over to the X Box, what an achievement! Take care.
I just want to thank you for not only this video but other videos on this channel. Having watched most of your videos & I have now purchased MSFS202 for XBox-X as it made perfect financial sense. I've been simming for a number of years now & my last PC flightsim rig cost me over £2500 back in 2016 sadly that PC doesn't run the current titles so when i told my wife that I wanted to spend £3500 on a new PC she nearly had apoplexy. Luckily for both of us I found this video & for a 1/4 of the price of a new PC I now have this on XBox & I am delighted with it so far. Please keep the XBox videos coming & thank you once again.
Hi Mark. You have no idea how good your video did to me. I'm a fan of MFS and was very frustrated that I was missing this new 2020 because I wouldn't spend US$2000 on a PC. When I watched this video, it changed everything. I already ordered my Xbox X and I can't wait for the day I receive it and start enjoying this fantastic sim. Thank you very much for publishing this very informative video.
First class guide, Mark, thank you. I think the PC with your 3090 GPU was definitely more crisp. Given I only need the hardware for MSFS I am going the XBox route if I can ever find one to buy. The lack of VR on XBox is a definition negative but given the price point it’s not exactly a huge investment to waste if I subsequently upgrade to PC. A kind of training rig!
I formatted the MSFS drive on my PC today. No looking back. Console is just convenient and user friendly. On PC you need to be an IT technician to even get it do do updates and start. My Xbox updated MSFS while I was sleeping and the console was on standby.
I play on the Series X with the T flight full kit and a mouse. I use the xbox controller to move the camera around. It looks amazing on my LG nanocell tv.
My thoughts exactly. As someone who can't be bothered to upgrade my perfectly acceptable desktop computer - it would be too expensive to force me to use/buy a new high end gaming computer. The X-box gives me very acceptable performance at a budget price.
@@frozenfrosty00 Possibly...as printers are a good example where the consumables (ink in that case) are very profitable. Well, as I only intend to buy MSFS - they'll loose money on me.
@Lungho That's not true. SU5 on PC had a bug which removed volumetric lighting and had LOD issues, this is fixed since the SU5 hotfix and subsequently WU6.
Great comparison Mark and it can only be a good thing that flight simming becomes more accessible to everyone. Where the pc absolutely rocks and no console can compete is vr. MSFS on a high end headset and a top spec pc is unbelievable, a truly amazing experience, literally ‘as real as it gets’. 👌
Wait until they update it to directx 12 on pc. Xbox series x runs directx 12 already. So Fps and visuals should have lot more room to improve. Directx 11 has some cpu bottlenecks that hold it back. Love playing on both my pc and Xbox series x. Series x is more portable so I sometimes bring it to friends houses and such. Lol
Pro tip. No matter if you run the game on Xbox or PC. If you have a modern TV with interpolation. Connect the Xbox or PC to it. On Samsung TVs they call it auto motion plus. Makes the game look like it's running in 120fps and it's bloody brilliant.
That was an excellent comp. I think for the casual couch pilot the Xbox versions cost alone is a better choice. If you are interested into becoming a commercial airline pilot you will want to start with a $4000 PC and yoke and go from there. I myself thing the Xbox x version leek amazing an will be all that I will ever need in a flight sim at 58 years old. Thanks.
I am "cautiously" optimistic. Update 5 reversed my analogue hat switch functionality, which driving me bonkers. LOL. Fingers crossed, the next hotfix addresses this. LOL I really enjoyed the side-by-side comparison. Nicely done. Thanks for the video.
Just a note to say your video helped me decide on the Xbox-ironically I was in the market for a new PC but found I could get the Xbox and a PC for less than a cost of a PC built well enough to run this properly ( US). Look forward to more of your videos
That is a completely idiotic statement. Xbox requires system updates too, and you can use the same driver on pc for years without any issue. These comments are constantly made by people who have zero clue on what they're saying. Pc requires identical maintenance as Xbox. You just hit an "install" button on a prompt and wait for it to complete. You seem desperate to make it seem so much more complex than that😅
You should be congratulated on the release of this video which I know takes huge amounts of time, skill & video editing know how. I was amazed at the X-Box version to be honest but like you I’m hardened pc user with decades of sim & real world flying. Thank you for giving us a view into the two platforms.
Hello from Phoenix Arizona. Thank you for the video. You’re one of the only channels that I’ve seen the talks about flight simulator in the hardware that you might want to use with it. I’m a private pilot, but I can’t fly anymore due to a medical issue. And I have played flights in the past but it’s been about 20 years. So I’m thinking about getting the latest version, but I’m a Mac user so I would have to invest in a PC and I’m not sure exactly what kind of hardware I would need. Anyway, I know your channel covers out thank you and looking forward to watching your other videos.
I read a real pilot saying it looks more realistic on Xbox as pc is too crisp. We tend to forget we are flying through quite a dense gas/air and the slight softness give a more authentic feel.
My PC is too old to adequately run MSFS, so I’ve ordered Series X. It’s an incredible platform and I’m quite looking forward to enjoying many years with it. Just a bit sad that I can’t bring my MFG Crosswind and Thrustmaster Warthog along for the ride.
@@obsidianzarok2361 I think it still is in terms of performance, scenery draw density and allows for an overall comparison which is the main point of the video.
If you don’t have a compatible PC already, then definitely Xbox. The sales tax alone on a high end gaming PC could easily exceed the cost of a Series S and come close to the X.
@@nifixious7600 No, if the gpu market was normal then 2k would be the cost for a high-end pc, good pc's are more like 1k or cheaper with the right budgeting.
Recently bought a new i5 - RX 550 with SSD, 8gb ddr3 for £459 off ebay which runs this fine so far so it's possible at the cheap end on the PC side, can upgrade the ram to 16gb cheap too ..still want a series X though, great value for the money
The only reasons for the Vatsim/Ivao restriction is due to the fact that Xbox has tight network security, but I suspect this will be overcome at some stage.
Great video. I own a cirrus sr22 and would like to fly approaches without having to spend $300-$400 on fuel every time. So I started looking into the flight simulator and was trying to decide between Xbox and pc. Thank you
Thank you for this great review! I have FSX and loads of add-ons and have had nothing but continual, aggravated pauses, freezes and CTD that I have walked away from it over a year ago after struggling through about 2500 hrs of flying. Your review has rekindled my excitement and now will start looking into a dedicated pc. I’m aware that my add ons from FSX are probably not compatible but I’m not using them now anyways. MSFS looks to be GREATLY improved and the visuals are all I could hope for. Thanks for encouraging me to lick and stick my ‘wings’ back on to my cardboard Captains cutout!😂
In the xbox image its like there a soft filter while on the 4k pc 3090 its super crisp and so it should be the 3090 card cost almost as much as 3 xbox series x.
Great review - thank you. My issues with PC flight Sims are now; Cost, conflicts, Windows (updates and other cr@p trying to enforce obsolescence upon my PC and me etc), also tweaking settings. I used to enjoy the cut and thrust of that kind of thing, now? I just want to fly a quality flight sim, fully accepting that I'm not in a real aeroplane (I'm not yet a fan of VR). In addition with the current complexity of MSFS 2020, it won't be possible to run a dedicated air-gapped PC? Thus at this stage I'm almost done with Microsoft PC based software - as I'm not a fan of Microsoft or Windows 10 etc. X-Box? New to me. As I just want to be able to use my pedals, yoke or stick, it might be the answer. My current stick and pedals are common or garden, popular, if Xbox can't accommodate those? Then I may have issues. Having products from third parties would be a nice to have too though in Xbox. One thing that would be good is some sort of ATC add on in Xbox so as to speak with real people and have realistic ATC.
I 100% share your concern Mark as someone who had never been into flight simming before the pc launch of msfs2020 i have now become a hardcore simmer with 360 flight hours in the sim. Having said that i suppose i have ms to thank for getting me into flightsimming because msfs really has a good hook that was and is enticing to me and thats flying around the world:).
I’ve played FS for 20 years and I came to the point where I can’t justify for 1 game, replacing my laptop with decent specs for over £1500. I purchased the Xbox S to see how I got on and what I thought of it. After a few days of it my thoughts are instantly……. Lack of a 2D or flat cockpit style……moving controls about and adjusting the view seems clumsy. Sometimes I can’t see over the nose to land.or see. No Tower View at the airports…..truly showing the livery and flight models. Viewing your landing and crabbing in crosswinds etc and other aircraft movements. Unable to record or replay parts of your flight. I hope some of these maybe in future updates……other “Flight Sims” can do it! If anyone can through any light on these I may continue the journey with Xbox!
Superb review, you nailed it. Best like for like review on YT. As always an in depth review much appreciated. PC looked better in my Opinion especially the night lighting, but as you said already for the price point the Xbox seems a very affordable option.
@@SimHangerFS thank you for fast respond. I bought xbox x, should get it tomorrow. Now I am looking for flight stick and can’t decide should I get Turtle beach velocity stick or Thrustmaster TCA (xbox version) what you would chose in my place? Thank you.
I have both the series x and a self made Gaming PC with an EVGA 3070 Ti GPU, 16GB of RAM and the AMD Ryzen 7 3800x. My biggest issue is when I try to fly, the plane drifts badly even when not moving the mouse, I may try a joystick or something, PC seems the way to go in this comparison since I have both options. Though on the console I play at 4k on my 55" television, my monitor is a 32" 1440p but also has 240hz refresh rates as my tv is 60.
I’m torn about this implementation. I could never see myself converting to the Xbox due to a few factors. My existing peripherals will not work, and I love access to the community creations or 3rd party developers. However I’m very glad that people without these limitations can now get into MSFS. I’m cautiously optimistic that Asobo and MS will not abandon the PC players.
I hope they implement some video control into the Xbox versions in some future updates perhaps but they might not. However I feel that I could do something more with the Xbox screen with simply using monitor calibration controls hehehe 😜
Thank you so much for your very Informative video! Please let me ask: Since I had already purchased a top end and fast pc a few years ago, I also bought the full version of MSFS 2020. Was it a mistake to have purchased the Xbox version of the flight sim? Since I’m exclusively using the pc and never any external console, now I‘m forced to pay the monthly extra for the Xbox- abo I never use? Thanks for a short reply and kind regards!
Apart from the lack, at mo of vr, Xbox series X is a no brainer, compared to the demo spec in the pc comparison. 32 GB ram, 3090 gpu, i9.......I've have a PC and you spend a lot of time and money, trying to achieve the ultimate settings....but rarely happy, looking for next upgrade..! Maybe vr would run with 2x Xbox linked...wow, and under a grand. Also Xbox not yet running at its max speed...AMD FSR part of fidelity FX could double 4k fps...
Also have a 3090 rig which with some tweaking runs MSFS sweetly. Yet my little XBS does a stella job, very playable in all respects. Coupled with GPU the XBS/X are the most versatile consoles today. As for Sony...well
It was useful and informative, Mark! Well done, Sir! To me the PC displays were better in all ways, except clouds. I am optimistic that Asobo, under the Microsoft wing, will prevail. There will be hiccups of course. Update 5 was one of them; it should probably have been delayed rather than released knowing there would be flack. They recovered in a hurry indicating they are listening and are serious about satisfying their users. Most of us would give them extra time to insure they get it right when updates or fixes go public. Thanks for your fair and open analytics, Mark!
Honestly, I play on the Xbox Series S and you get a very capable console with good visuals for a way cheaper price. Let's face it, were not comparing a high end PC to an Atari system. If you must have the latest and greatest to be the king of the block than have at it, I'm good the the S.
Just the review I needed. The XBox X in my country costs abt USD 700/-. For USD 700 you can get a Ryzen 5 3550H, 4GB GTX1650 with 8GB RAM. So do I go for X or will the equivalent PC for $700 that I mentioned above do the job if I add an extra 8gb ram? I don't need 4k. 30fps at 1080p is good enough at high settings.
I have this on Xbox series X and have been blown away of how well it runs. I’m not a serious flight sim guy myself, mainly because I fly for a living, on the A320 to be precise. The general aviation stuff seems pretty good, however I’m massively disappointed in the Airbus, it literally does not work how the real thing works at all, I understand that 3rd party versions of the Airbus are a lot better than the stock version, which in my professional opinion is a mess.
I also fly A320's but am more forgiving as I see very few FS 2020 buyers would really want to go through the extra complexity of the real thing. Happy flying sir!
Hey Mark, I'm a Commercial Pilot intend to get an A320 type. I'm looking at option to purchase a portable Sim set up. I mainly wanna focuz more on the cockpit view to practice my flying procedures ( I may buy throttle hardware for kinda need) what kinda sim would u suggest? Can I do it with a Xbox?
@@SimHangerFS thanks, what kinda limitations it's got? Somethin I that I know I won't be able to add in lota hardware. I'm just using a joystick controller for hand flying other than what do we have on it? Will it allow me to practice my procedures and approaches?
Man, I've got a kick a$$ gaming and production PC, but gaming on an XSX/OLED wins That's coming from a guy who's been building top tier PCs for 35 years (since I was six). The Xbox entertainment experience is just exceptional. It requires zero user savvy and makes changing from game to game as quick and easy as changing TV channels. With GamePass, you get everything on both (and every other internet connected device) anyway. So, enjoy this wherever you can or want. It's a phenomenal simulator that's only getting better.
@@Steve31000 I've been in the industry for already 25 years, and today as a scientist and a government advisor I am always at the forefront of the technological progress. Regarding the new release by Laminar Research, it is my personal assessment (since the developer is rather scarce when it comes to any details surrounding the release window or any kind of date, which is normal in the early stages of development). I admit I might have been too conservative with the 2023. date - however when taking all known details combined with the development factors and the continual support for the existing version and business entities into account - no stable release of the new X-Plane platform will be available before the H2 2022. The same kinds of prognosis I've done for the release of P3Dv5, MSFS, the first PMDG product for MSFS and lots of other things. I never make mistakes. Not a single one.
Hi, I know his video was recorded a while back, so hope you see this message. I want to get my son either a Xbox or PC or gaming Laptop for Christmas. What would be the best choice on a budget? He is only 9 years old!!! But so enthusiastic about flight simulators and wants to become a pilot in future. He even has a RUclips channel with tens of thousands of viewers regarding planes and flying!!!! It’s all beyond me lol! But the obvious upgrade is to Microsoft Flight simulator. So what device should I get to run it (and also record the flights for RUclips) without going rediculous on price for a nine year old? (We are based in the UK, plus abroad at times, so portability is a bonus). Cheers
I would recommend an Xbox series X. Portable, less hassle with configuration etc. Recording on RUclips is the only draw back, bit more complicated. Need a video capture card for live capture or usb memory stick (64gb or more) to record session….then transfer to pc for upload to RUclips. Xbox headphones recommended for recording voice.
That flight deck shot of the A320 reminds me how poor the default aircraft is. I'm a PC player, but hope that the FBW team are able to port the A32NX to XBox.
I'd have been more optimistic had Asobo warned us that patch two could only be downloaded through the Xbox app,even though the sim kept sending us to the Microsoft store.Several frustrating hours later,I was able to download and install it through the said app.Your comparison showed a lack of contrast on the Xbox which,had more adjustments been available could have been corrected and given a performance close to your pc. I am still annoyed that with update five I got a good frame rate boost,only to have it snatched away by patch one..............................................
Thank you , it was very informative, I am new to this glad I found your Chanel, I was looking for a full experience of flying I believe it will be much better enjoying in VR ,any advice?
If i would-be start today with simming, i would probably choose the Xbox but now i would miss LNM , neofly, skypark, third~party freeware but also payware outside the marketplace (like the amazing pmdg dc6 and others)…. I would miss my three monitor setup. But i will get the Xbox S because it is ‘portable’ if i want to fly somewhere else toen home. Thanks for the clear vid ! Good job Mark as always
As a new Xbox owner I have MSFS via game pass that came with XBOX as a special deal. I am frustrated by the lack of even basic information available. Was there a guide, manual or other tutorials which came with the PC version? I found a cheat sheet for the keyboard settings but most don’t work on Xbox. Is there a definitive list of keyboard codes that work on da box? I am trying to self teach but most advice I get from kind users reflects their PC experience - often not pertinent. I do use the Thrustmaster HOTAS and a keyboard + mouse combo but much there is I don’t get.
I have a question. Is the xbox series X version using ray tracing? That is an interesting comparison if it is considering it is still not available on PC with direct X 12. Great video and information, thanks!
tengo el FS2020 en PC gama media alta , pero es una tortura se bloquea , altos tiempos de carga, las actualizaciones imposibles , tener que reinstalar el MFS.. . debido a esto compre la XBOX series X y definitivamente es un 😍😍 amor da gusto volar. " have the FS2020 on upper mid-range PCs, but it is torture crashes, high load times, impossible updates, having to reinstall the MFS ... because of this I bought the XBOX series X and it is definitely a love 😍😍 it is a pleasure to fly."
@@Jut1911 Rate is highly dependent on using real time satellite data, real time weather and real time air traffic. I have 100MB/sec connection and get 60fps on my 86" 4K UHD LG TV regardless of scenery or aircraft flown. 90% of the videos on RUclips show obvious issues due to slow internet. I'd guess most people rarely have 50MB/sec with most at what seems like 20 MB/sec. FS 2020 is not worth buying unless you can run all the live streaming global data.
The scenery addons available for Xbox, there's only 3 available last I checked a couple of days ago, I bought the New Zealand one and was hoping for more. Wondering if creators will port or make from scratch scenery addons for the Xbox.
The XBox videos all look dull, which they definitely aren't in real life on my Series X (I have a 10900K/3090 PC as well). I guess the XBox wasn't set to output HDR whilst the PC was?
@@SimHangerFS OK. That might explain it. I played both XBox and PC in-between the hotfixes and didn't notice such a large difference. One was using an OLED though and another an LCD panel (both HDR10). I thought the problem was that SU5 did set HDR peak brightness on the PC even on a non-HDR screen.
RUclips must be psychic !!...I built a new gaming pc about 6 months ago but couldn't find a reasonably priced mid to high end graphics card so went with a Nvidia 2060 RTX 6gb , for the most part it runs very well and since the sim update 5 I can run MSFS 2020 at ultra settings on 2560x1440. I spend more time fannying around trying to tweak the settings and running it in vr with my Quest 2 to fairly frequent moments of frustration. I've been seriously considering a xbox S or X just to play this hassle free, I just want to switch on the console, pick up my pad and play, haven't got the patience these days to be piddling around with settings and fixes.
Thanks for the comparison. Exactly what I was looking for. Allowed me to make my mind up. Although the Xbox is decent, the PC is undeniably better. Will choose the latter 👍
The PC is only as good as your internet connection speed. I've seen guys with 5 grand PC's and whopping specs that provide a very poor visual environment.
A slightly different way of looking at one aspect of the end summary about good first year support and things getting strained now with the Xbox version out - I'd say that PC players only got the level of game you've seeing in the first year as this was always funded with a dual pc/console release planned so PC players have got used to something which wouldn't have been supported to that level if a PC exclusive. You needed the console gamepass bucks to get the platform where it is now. Some would be happy I guess with a lesser PC only game but I don't subscribe to the view the console will hold this back, the console made this what it is in the first place thru funding.
I chose Xbox because we don’t have any fibre broadband and BT won’t be giving our town fibre broadband. So there’s no point spending £3K to £4K on a top spec gaming PC if rarely get over 10Mbps as I won’t benefit from the graphics due to low bandwidth so Xbox is the only affordable way I can get good graphics.
Excellent review thanks for taking the time. I use to work at Microsoft with the old FlightSim team and know how inspired
and avid they were with their platform I am so glad to see it back in glory.
i prefer Microsoft now after watch the video and actually it’s a bit impossible for Brazilians to get a 3090 because it costs about 20 minimum wage. Xbox is much more affordable for Brazilians and it does a good job as we can see. I’m glad.
Years ago, I gave up on flight sims because my level of obsessing with performance outwayed the actual enjoyment of just playing. Now, with my Series X, Thrustmaster Full Kit, LG CX TV and Razer Keyboard and Mouse I'm perfectly happy to fly again.
Holy crap I have the exact same setup minus the keyboard and a different TV. I'm loving every minute of it and can't get enough
That's why I quit PC gaming too. Happy with my series x
Same here, I stopped years ago after realizing that I was spending more time tweaking and looking at the FPS count rather than actually enjoying the simulator. I am running the flight sim on a Series S and I am extremely happy. Still wondering how much better it would look on a Series X.
I was the same. I had to upgrade my pc too many times. I have a host of hardware from Goflight. Radio stack, rudders, throttle quadrants, etc. software addons. Now I'm getting back in the game, just waiting for an Xbox to become available for a reasonable price.
But but PC looks much better. But not five times better imo.Unless you are a real hard core PC gamer a 500 dollar Xbox series x is good enough.
This is a high quality review . I wish all reviewers were like you, no ads and promotion, no waffle and unnecessary talks. I am definitely subscribing to your channel !
Thank you 👍
Great in depth video Mark, you raise some points I hadn't considered (on both sides). I think from a VR perspective and freeware add-ons, it's a no brainer for PC users. However, I think it's remarkable how they've managed to port the sim over to the X Box, what an achievement! Take care.
I just want to thank you for not only this video but other videos on this channel. Having watched most of your videos & I have now purchased MSFS202 for XBox-X as it made perfect financial sense. I've been simming for a number of years now & my last PC flightsim rig cost me over £2500 back in 2016 sadly that PC doesn't run the current titles so when i told my wife that I wanted to spend £3500 on a new PC she nearly had apoplexy. Luckily for both of us I found this video & for a 1/4 of the price of a new PC I now have this on XBox & I am delighted with it so far. Please keep the XBox videos coming & thank you once again.
Hi Mark. You have no idea how good your video did to me. I'm a fan of MFS and was very frustrated that I was missing this new 2020 because I wouldn't spend US$2000 on a PC. When I watched this video, it changed everything. I already ordered my Xbox X and I can't wait for the day I receive it and start enjoying this fantastic sim. Thank you very much for publishing this very informative video.
how did you get on with the xbox were you happy with the outcome?
First class guide, Mark, thank you. I think the PC with your 3090 GPU was definitely more crisp. Given I only need the hardware for MSFS I am going the XBox route if I can ever find one to buy. The lack of VR on XBox is a definition negative but given the price point it’s not exactly a huge investment to waste if I subsequently upgrade to PC. A kind of training rig!
This answers many of my questions about whether “To switch or not to switch?” from PC to Xbox.
I formatted the MSFS drive on my PC today. No looking back. Console is just convenient and user friendly. On PC you need to be an IT technician to even get it do do updates and start. My Xbox updated MSFS while I was sleeping and the console was on standby.
A bit of an exaggeration, but yes, you can’t get any more simple than a console!
I play on the Series X with the T flight full kit and a mouse. I use the xbox controller to move the camera around. It looks amazing on my LG nanocell tv.
That was a thoughtful comparison. Nicely done! 👍
That's insane that a $500usd box can come so close to a multi $1000's PC in terms of fidelity, Asobo are wizards.
My thoughts exactly. As someone who can't be bothered to upgrade my perfectly acceptable desktop computer - it would be too expensive to force me to use/buy a new high end gaming computer. The X-box gives me very acceptable performance at a budget price.
How is that hard to believe when consoles are sold at a loss?
@@frozenfrosty00 Possibly...as printers are a good example where the consumables (ink in that case) are very profitable. Well, as I only intend to buy MSFS - they'll loose money on me.
@Lungho That's not true. SU5 on PC had a bug which removed volumetric lighting and had LOD issues, this is fixed since the SU5 hotfix and subsequently WU6.
You mean a 2000$ PC? The xbox SOC architecture is much faster than any brute force PC.
Great comparison Mark and it can only be a good thing that flight simming becomes more accessible to everyone. Where the pc absolutely rocks and no console can compete is vr. MSFS on a high end headset and a top spec pc is unbelievable, a truly amazing experience, literally ‘as real as it gets’. 👌
Wait until they update it to directx 12 on pc. Xbox series x runs directx 12 already. So Fps and visuals should have lot more room to improve. Directx 11 has some cpu bottlenecks that hold it back. Love playing on both my pc and Xbox series x. Series x is more portable so I sometimes bring it to friends houses and such. Lol
Pro tip. No matter if you run the game on Xbox or PC. If you have a modern TV with interpolation. Connect the Xbox or PC to it. On Samsung TVs they call it auto motion plus. Makes the game look like it's running in 120fps and it's bloody brilliant.
That was an excellent comp. I think for the casual couch pilot the Xbox versions cost alone is a better choice. If you are interested into becoming a commercial airline pilot you will want to start with a $4000 PC and yoke and go from there. I myself thing the Xbox x version leek amazing an will be all that I will ever need in a flight sim at 58 years old. Thanks.
I am "cautiously" optimistic. Update 5 reversed my analogue hat switch functionality, which driving me bonkers. LOL. Fingers crossed, the next hotfix addresses this. LOL I really enjoyed the side-by-side comparison. Nicely done. Thanks for the video.
Just a note to say your video helped me decide on the Xbox-ironically I was in the market for a new PC but found I could get the Xbox and a PC for less than a cost of a PC built well enough to run this properly ( US). Look forward to more of your videos
So much more user friendly on Xbox, no issues with drivers, etc needing updates. As you say just get in and fly.
That is a completely idiotic statement. Xbox requires system updates too, and you can use the same driver on pc for years without any issue.
These comments are constantly made by people who have zero clue on what they're saying.
Pc requires identical maintenance as Xbox. You just hit an "install" button on a prompt and wait for it to complete.
You seem desperate to make it seem so much more complex than that😅
You should be congratulated on the release of this video which I know takes huge amounts of time, skill & video editing know how. I was amazed at the X-Box version to be honest but like you I’m hardened pc user with decades of sim & real world flying. Thank you for giving us a view into the two platforms.
Hello from Phoenix Arizona. Thank you for the video. You’re one of the only channels that I’ve seen the talks about flight simulator in the hardware that you might want to use with it. I’m a private pilot, but I can’t fly anymore due to a medical issue. And I have played flights in the past but it’s been about 20 years. So I’m thinking about getting the latest version, but I’m a Mac user so I would have to invest in a PC and I’m not sure exactly what kind of hardware I would need. Anyway, I know your channel covers out thank you and looking forward to watching your other videos.
I read a real pilot saying it looks more realistic on Xbox as pc is too crisp. We tend to forget we are flying through quite a dense gas/air and the slight softness give a more authentic feel.
My PC is too old to adequately run MSFS, so I’ve ordered Series X. It’s an incredible platform and I’m quite looking forward to enjoying many years with it. Just a bit sad that I can’t bring my MFG Crosswind and Thrustmaster Warthog along for the ride.
On my XBSX right now the picture looks way sharper than what you are showing? maybe it's my LG OLED C1.
I had HDR settings wrong for the recording. My error.
@@SimHangerFS So it's not a fair comparison in your video.
@@obsidianzarok2361 I think it still is in terms of performance, scenery draw density and allows for an overall comparison which is the main point of the video.
@@SimHangerFS yes that's fair enough and true but it isn't as dull and blurry on a proper set up compared to what you have shown.
If you don’t have a compatible PC already, then definitely Xbox. The sales tax alone on a high end gaming PC could easily exceed the cost of a Series S and come close to the X.
Pc’s don’t cost 3k or more
@@race_four6955 but a good one does
@@nifixious7600 No, if the gpu market was normal then 2k would be the cost for a high-end pc, good pc's are more like 1k or cheaper with the right budgeting.
@@race_four6955 i see what you mean. But for rtx 3080 and 3090 and 6900xt, thats a different story. Good news is that 1660 super prices are low
@@nifixious7600 I just bought a prebuild rtx3080 PC with i7-10700k unlocked and it was 2K.
Recently bought a new i5 - RX 550 with SSD, 8gb ddr3 for £459 off ebay which runs this fine so far so it's possible at the cheap end on the PC side, can upgrade the ram to 16gb cheap too ..still want a series X though, great value for the money
Thank you for a such great comparison.
The only reasons for the Vatsim/Ivao restriction is due to the fact that Xbox has tight network security, but I suspect this will be overcome at some stage.
Great video. I own a cirrus sr22 and would like to fly approaches without having to spend $300-$400 on fuel every time. So I started looking into the flight simulator and was trying to decide between Xbox and pc. Thank you
Thank you for this great review! I have FSX and loads of add-ons and have had nothing but continual, aggravated pauses, freezes and CTD that I have walked away from it over a year ago after struggling through about 2500 hrs of flying.
Your review has rekindled my excitement and now will start looking into a dedicated pc.
I’m aware that my add ons from FSX are probably not compatible but I’m not using them now anyways.
MSFS looks to be GREATLY improved and the visuals are all I could hope for.
Thanks for encouraging me to lick and stick my ‘wings’ back on to my cardboard Captains cutout!😂
This game is absolutely amazing im blown away omg im loving this on the series x 😀 😀 😀 😀
Thank you for a thoughtful and well constructed review.
Maybe a true comparison would be a XBox S and a top end PC. Sadly the Series X isn't at all a fair comparison.
Brilliant an realistic reviews and thoughts. A pleasure to watch.
Thanks for the video mate but have you heard any more news about the honeycomb Xbox compatible products yet? Thanks,
Nothing official, but sounds like first quarter 2022
@@SimHangerFS ok sounds good
ill be always a PC gamer,wasnt big for the console.you have more options in PC
In the xbox image its like there a soft filter while on the 4k pc 3090 its super crisp and so it should be the 3090 card cost almost as much as 3 xbox series x.
Thank you so much Mark for putting this piece together. I really enjoy your videos so very much. Well done again sir.
Great review - thank you.
My issues with PC flight Sims are now; Cost, conflicts, Windows (updates and other cr@p trying to enforce obsolescence upon my PC and me etc), also tweaking settings. I used to enjoy the cut and thrust of that kind of thing, now? I just want to fly a quality flight sim, fully accepting that I'm not in a real aeroplane (I'm not yet a fan of VR). In addition with the current complexity of MSFS 2020, it won't be possible to run a dedicated air-gapped PC? Thus at this stage I'm almost done with Microsoft PC based software - as I'm not a fan of Microsoft or Windows 10 etc.
X-Box? New to me. As I just want to be able to use my pedals, yoke or stick, it might be the answer. My current stick and pedals are common or garden, popular, if Xbox can't accommodate those? Then I may have issues. Having products from third parties would be a nice to have too though in Xbox.
One thing that would be good is some sort of ATC add on in Xbox so as to speak with real people and have realistic ATC.
You sold me on PC as soon as you talked about VR 😃
I am optimistic, and look forward to the developments and hot fixes in the PC version.
As a real world pilot of GA aircraft VR is the only way to go and the only thing that comes close to the real thing.
I 100% share your concern Mark as someone who had never been into flight simming before the pc launch of msfs2020 i have now become a hardcore simmer with 360 flight hours in the sim. Having said that i suppose i have ms to thank for getting me into flightsimming because msfs really has a good hook that was and is enticing to me and thats flying around the world:).
I’ve played FS for 20 years and I came to the point where I can’t justify for 1 game, replacing my laptop with decent specs for over £1500. I purchased the Xbox S to see how I got on and what I thought of it. After a few days of it my thoughts are instantly…….
Lack of a 2D or flat cockpit style……moving controls about and adjusting the view seems clumsy. Sometimes I can’t see over the nose to land.or see.
No Tower View at the airports…..truly showing the livery and flight models. Viewing your landing and crabbing in crosswinds etc and other aircraft movements.
Unable to record or replay parts of your flight.
I hope some of these maybe in future updates……other “Flight Sims” can do it! If anyone can through any light on these I may continue the journey with Xbox!
Superb review, you nailed it. Best like for like review on YT. As always an in depth review much appreciated. PC looked better in my Opinion especially the night lighting, but as you said already for the price point the Xbox seems a very affordable option.
Nice video, thank you. One question: Can xbox x run msfs @ 60 fps?
Yes, Xbox series X running 1440p upscaled from 1080p
@@SimHangerFS thank you for fast respond. I bought xbox x, should get it tomorrow. Now I am looking for flight stick and can’t decide should I get Turtle beach velocity stick or Thrustmaster TCA (xbox version) what you would chose in my place?
Thank you.
Thanks for the in-depth analysis.. yes i’m very optimistic..
I have both the series x and a self made Gaming PC with an EVGA 3070 Ti GPU, 16GB of RAM and the AMD Ryzen 7 3800x. My biggest issue is when I try to fly, the plane drifts badly even when not moving the mouse, I may try a joystick or something, PC seems the way to go in this comparison since I have both options. Though on the console I play at 4k on my 55" television, my monitor is a 32" 1440p but also has 240hz refresh rates as my tv is 60.
I’m torn about this implementation. I could never see myself converting to the Xbox due to a few factors. My existing peripherals will not work, and I love access to the community creations or 3rd party developers. However I’m very glad that people without these limitations can now get into MSFS. I’m cautiously optimistic that Asobo and MS will not abandon the PC players.
Wonderful and thorough comparison. Thank you!
did you recorded this from a monitor !!! with a cam if yesss fail again.... or a capture card or screen recorder ?
This is a very well explained and thorough video that will help a lot of people. Thanks!
For me its a no brainer pc all the way.
Thanks for the video, but your voice is quite low. Next time increase the volume on your mic please.
No, please decrease your mic volume instead.
Hi Mark. Very informative as ever. Would you rate the Xbox series x better than the series s? Thanks
I like the x because of the cd rom seagate built in. High speed. The comparison sadly was so much better on the pc.
My series x runs it amazingly. To be honest, I don't notice a difference
I hope they implement some video control into the Xbox versions in some future updates perhaps but they might not. However I feel that I could do something more with the Xbox screen with simply using monitor calibration controls hehehe 😜
Thank you so much for your very Informative video! Please let me ask:
Since I had already purchased a top end and fast pc a few years ago, I also bought the full version of MSFS 2020.
Was it a mistake to have purchased the Xbox version of the flight sim?
Since I’m exclusively using the pc and never any external console, now I‘m forced to pay the monthly extra for the Xbox- abo I never use?
Thanks for a short reply and kind regards!
MSFS is multi platform. One copy can be used on both PC & Xbox. Separate purchase not required.
Apart from the lack, at mo of vr, Xbox series X is a no brainer, compared to the demo spec in the pc comparison. 32 GB ram, 3090 gpu, i9.......I've have a PC and you spend a lot of time and money, trying to achieve the ultimate settings....but rarely happy, looking for next upgrade..! Maybe vr would run with 2x Xbox linked...wow, and under a grand. Also Xbox not yet running at its max speed...AMD FSR part of fidelity FX could double 4k fps...
Also have a 3090 rig which with some tweaking runs MSFS sweetly. Yet my little XBS does a stella job, very playable in all respects. Coupled with GPU the XBS/X are the most versatile consoles today. As for Sony...well
It was useful and informative, Mark! Well done, Sir! To me the PC displays were better in all ways, except clouds.
I am optimistic that Asobo, under the Microsoft wing, will prevail. There will be hiccups of course. Update 5 was one of them; it should probably have been delayed rather than released knowing there would be flack. They recovered in a hurry indicating they are listening and are serious about satisfying their users. Most of us would give them extra time to insure they get it right when updates or fixes go public. Thanks for your fair and open analytics, Mark!
Set RUclips playback to 1080p for best results. RUclips is defaulting to low resolution playback on most occasions.
Mine won't go that high?
@@stephenmason5682 depends what you are watching it on I guess
I prefer an ultrabook as my 'daily driver' and flight simming on the Xbox - better value than an expensive gaming PC.
At 10:45 you can see the $7,000 PC stutter and the Xbox doesn't. I know which one I think is better.
It's his Internet connection that is causing BOTH NYC's to look so bad and blurry.
Honestly, I play on the Xbox Series S and you get a very capable console with good visuals for a way cheaper price. Let's face it, were not comparing a high end PC to an Atari system. If you must have the latest and greatest to be the king of the block than have at it, I'm good the the S.
Just the review I needed. The XBox X in my country costs abt USD 700/-. For USD 700 you can get a Ryzen 5 3550H, 4GB GTX1650 with 8GB RAM. So do I go for X or will the equivalent PC for $700 that I mentioned above do the job if I add an extra 8gb ram? I don't need 4k. 30fps at 1080p is good enough at high settings.
That PC is not equivalent to the Series X and you damn well aren’t going to get a fast terabyte SSD with that like you get with the Series X.
I have this on Xbox series X and have been blown away of how well it runs. I’m not a serious flight sim guy myself, mainly because I fly for a living, on the A320 to be precise. The general aviation stuff seems pretty good, however I’m massively disappointed in the Airbus, it literally does not work how the real thing works at all, I understand that 3rd party versions of the Airbus are a lot better than the stock version, which in my professional opinion is a mess.
I also fly A320's but am more forgiving as I see very few FS 2020 buyers would really want to go through the extra complexity of the real thing. Happy flying sir!
Hey Mark, I'm a Commercial Pilot intend to get an A320 type. I'm looking at option to purchase a portable Sim set up. I mainly wanna focuz more on the cockpit view to practice my flying procedures ( I may buy throttle hardware for kinda need) what kinda sim would u suggest? Can I do it with a Xbox?
PMDG 737 and Fenix A320 available in MSFS via Xbox. Some limitations.
@@SimHangerFS thanks, what kinda limitations it's got? Somethin I that I know I won't be able to add in lota hardware. I'm just using a joystick controller for hand flying other than what do we have on it? Will it allow me to practice my procedures and approaches?
@@Nambiar737 Yes it will, but you routes will need to be manually entered into the FMC.
A little bit of time and money spent on the optimization of the game on the PC is part of the fun and the FS experience.
But sometime is part of a nightmare... :)
well put ..thank you.
Great video Mark. Putting that video footage together looks like hard work - I don't envy you on that job! ;)
Thank you. 😁
Thanks for the good comparision.
Man, I've got a kick a$$ gaming and production PC, but gaming on an XSX/OLED wins
That's coming from a guy who's been building top tier PCs for 35 years (since I was six). The Xbox entertainment experience is just exceptional. It requires zero user savvy and makes changing from game to game as quick and easy as changing TV channels. With GamePass, you get everything on both (and every other internet connected device) anyway. So, enjoy this wherever you can or want. It's a phenomenal simulator that's only getting better.
X-Plane 12 is coming soon and looks fairly good so far from the previews and what's being discussed.
It is not coming soon. 2023.
@@MilanPutnik Where'd you read that? I thought I had read that Laminar was hoping to have it in beta by end of this year.
@@Steve31000 I've been in the industry for already 25 years, and today as a scientist and a government advisor I am always at the forefront of the technological progress.
Regarding the new release by Laminar Research, it is my personal assessment (since the developer is rather scarce when it comes to any details surrounding the release window or any kind of date, which is normal in the early stages of development). I admit I might have been too conservative with the 2023. date - however when taking all known details combined with the development factors and the continual support for the existing version and business entities into account - no stable release of the new X-Plane platform will be available before the H2 2022.
The same kinds of prognosis I've done for the release of P3Dv5, MSFS, the first PMDG product for MSFS and lots of other things.
I never make mistakes.
Not a single one.
this game has to be the most realistic game i've ever seen!! Edit: Thanks for the like!
Hi, I know his video was recorded a while back, so hope you see this message. I want to get my son either a Xbox or PC or gaming Laptop for Christmas. What would be the best choice on a budget? He is only 9 years old!!! But so enthusiastic about flight simulators and wants to become a pilot in future. He even has a RUclips channel with tens of thousands of viewers regarding planes and flying!!!! It’s all beyond me lol! But the obvious upgrade is to Microsoft Flight simulator. So what device should I get to run it (and also record the flights for RUclips) without going rediculous on price for a nine year old? (We are based in the UK, plus abroad at times, so portability is a bonus). Cheers
I would recommend an Xbox series X. Portable, less hassle with configuration etc. Recording on RUclips is the only draw back, bit more complicated. Need a video capture card for live capture or usb memory stick (64gb or more) to record session….then transfer to pc for upload to RUclips. Xbox headphones recommended for recording voice.
@@SimHangerFS Thanks very much for the reply.
That flight deck shot of the A320 reminds me how poor the default aircraft is. I'm a PC player, but hope that the FBW team are able to port the A32NX to XBox.
Agreed.
@@SimHangerFS I fly A320's. It's perfectly OK with me for intended purpose. Cheers.
I found that I liked 1440p more than 4K on a PC, and my screen is a 55" 120Hz Samsung Q80T, QLED. And that is with an MSI RTX 3090 SUPRIM X.
Agree with 1440p. I have a 32" curved Samsung 144hz 1440p monitor.
I'd have been more optimistic had Asobo warned us that patch two could only be downloaded through the Xbox app,even though the sim kept sending us to the Microsoft store.Several frustrating hours later,I was able to download and install it through the said app.Your comparison showed a lack of contrast on the Xbox which,had more adjustments been available could have been corrected and given a performance close to your pc.
I am still annoyed that with update five I got a good frame rate boost,only to have it snatched away by patch one..............................................
Excellent video, but could i see micro stutter on the xbox footage?
Yes there were a few stutters in the video from both the Xbox and pc.
Thank you , it was very informative, I am new to this glad I found your Chanel, I was looking for a full experience of flying I believe it will be much better enjoying in VR ,any advice?
Hi, if looking to get a VR headset for MSFS I would recommend the HP Reverb G2
I have the flight simulator on pc, I got xbox x any idea if I can download the game already got on the xbox or I have to buy another one?
No you can use the same one….you just can’t fly them both at the same time 👍
If i would-be start today with simming, i would probably choose the Xbox but now i would miss LNM , neofly, skypark, third~party freeware but also payware outside the marketplace (like the amazing pmdg dc6 and others)…. I would miss my three monitor setup. But i will get the Xbox S because it is ‘portable’ if i want to fly somewhere else toen home. Thanks for the clear vid ! Good job Mark as always
As a new Xbox owner I have MSFS via game pass that came with XBOX as a special deal. I am frustrated by the lack of even basic information available. Was there a guide, manual or other tutorials which came with the PC version? I found a cheat sheet for the keyboard settings but most don’t work on Xbox. Is there a definitive list of keyboard codes that work on da box? I am trying to self teach but most advice I get from kind users reflects their PC experience - often not pertinent. I do use the Thrustmaster HOTAS and a keyboard + mouse combo but much there is I don’t get.
Hi David…hopefully my Xbox playlist will help you. See here ruclips.net/p/PLSyT1Loyov5iQ04lKSrCJe6Ez1TdsHYps
I have a question. Is the xbox series X version using ray tracing? That is an interesting comparison if it is considering it is still not available on PC with direct X 12. Great video and information, thanks!
Hi, no it does not use Ray tracing yet.
tengo el FS2020 en PC gama media alta , pero es una tortura se bloquea , altos tiempos de carga, las actualizaciones imposibles , tener que reinstalar el MFS.. . debido a esto compre la XBOX series X y definitivamente es un 😍😍 amor da gusto volar. " have the FS2020 on upper mid-range PCs, but it is torture crashes, high load times, impossible updates, having to reinstall the MFS ... because of this I bought the XBOX series X and it is definitely a love 😍😍 it is a pleasure to fly."
Is David Attenborough working for Microsoft now?
Lol
Been loving this on Series X. Hoping to invest in a HOTAS soon >
Good work! I liked the split-view comparisons during flight. I would like to know the difference in fps between the two.
There’s other videos that show the Xbox series x at stable 30fps 4K
@@Jut1911 Rate is highly dependent on using real time satellite data, real time weather and real time air traffic. I have 100MB/sec connection and get 60fps on my 86" 4K UHD LG TV regardless of scenery or aircraft flown. 90% of the videos on RUclips show obvious issues due to slow internet. I'd guess most people rarely have 50MB/sec with most at what seems like 20 MB/sec. FS 2020 is not worth buying unless you can run all the live streaming global data.
The scenery addons available for Xbox, there's only 3 available last I checked a couple of days ago, I bought the New Zealand one and was hoping for more. Wondering if creators will port or make from scratch scenery addons for the Xbox.
I don't know, but I am aware some are ''porting'' the PC version.
I am a VR-pilot only, so PC is my choice although performance in VR is far from optimum.
The XBox videos all look dull, which they definitely aren't in real life on my Series X (I have a 10900K/3090 PC as well). I guess the XBox wasn't set to output HDR whilst the PC was?
Hi Colin, the Xbox had HDR on, I think it looks dull compared to the pc as the pc, following SU5 is too bright….something they fixed in hotfix 2.
@@SimHangerFS OK. That might explain it. I played both XBox and PC in-between the hotfixes and didn't notice such a large difference. One was using an OLED though and another an LCD panel (both HDR10). I thought the problem was that SU5 did set HDR peak brightness on the PC even on a non-HDR screen.
RUclips must be psychic !!...I built a new gaming pc about 6 months ago but couldn't find a reasonably priced mid to high end graphics card so went with a Nvidia 2060 RTX 6gb , for the most part it runs very well and since the sim update 5 I can run MSFS 2020 at ultra settings on 2560x1440. I spend more time fannying around trying to tweak the settings and running it in vr with my Quest 2 to fairly frequent moments of frustration. I've been seriously considering a xbox S or X just to play this hassle free, I just want to switch on the console, pick up my pad and play, haven't got the patience these days to be piddling around with settings and fixes.
Yes, the attraction on switch on and fly is very tempting.
Mark you're a legend
Thanks for the comparison. Exactly what I was looking for.
Allowed me to make my mind up. Although the Xbox is decent, the PC is undeniably better.
Will choose the latter 👍
Yaah sur . Pc delivrery add on , cockpit part and vatsim.
I have thé X box s x , it s cool actually, but, in 1 year, I will buy à PC !
Good day !
The PC is only as good as your internet connection speed. I've seen guys with 5 grand PC's and whopping specs that provide a very poor visual environment.
I'm at 200mb download and 22mb upload. Assuming that's ok ?
@@eoinoconnell185 If it's 24/7 rock solid with no dips that would be excellent!
When will we get a military flight stick for Xbox
How did you get that custom livery on the Xbox? That's not possible at the moment, is it?
Never mind lol. Just realised it's the tail number.
Can you run VR on Xbox …? Nope
Once you’ve experienced MSFS in VR you will never look back !
But if you do … you will see what’s behind you.
All is needed is an update that's all, but Microsoft refuse to do it.
A slightly different way of looking at one aspect of the end summary about good first year support and things getting strained now with the Xbox version out - I'd say that PC players only got the level of game you've seeing in the first year as this was always funded with a dual pc/console release planned so PC players have got used to something which wouldn't have been supported to that level if a PC exclusive. You needed the console gamepass bucks to get the platform where it is now. Some would be happy I guess with a lesser PC only game but I don't subscribe to the view the console will hold this back, the console made this what it is in the first place thru funding.
Perfectly valid viewpoint
I chose Xbox because we don’t have any fibre broadband and BT won’t be giving our town fibre broadband. So there’s no point spending £3K to £4K on a top spec gaming PC if rarely get over 10Mbps as I won’t benefit from the graphics due to low bandwidth so Xbox is the only affordable way I can get good graphics.
Slick presentation
Is xbox controller vibration working on the Xbox? Because it is totally gone on the PC since SU5.