How can you say you own the content but you don't have access to the file to use the content however you want? Everything is unknown so with that said what happens if Kaleidescape goes under and you have spent thousands on content? Will they give you access to the files that you paid for?
With streaming speeds getting closer and closer to that elusive 80mbps this product will have zero use in the near future. I hope they enjoy the product, but I couldn't spend thousands of dollars on something that's quickly becoming obsolete.
George, your friend Matt almost had me sold as well but since I'm the process of renovating our home theater I need to remind myself about priorities. I like the convenience of Kaleidescape which saves time, storage and adding more gear. The best quality of video and sound is a must for me! Someday....
Good point @12:47 - you can't watch these movies on any other TV in your house. It's essentially limited to the home theater room. I guess you could carry the Strato Player but if you have the extra hard drive it would be tougher and you risk damaging it which I'm sure Kaleidescape won't cover - sorry, I was carrying it upstairs and dropped it. No problem, that's covered under the lifetime warranty of moving it around!
Kaleidescape Strato V (960GB)= $3,995 Average 4k movie price & file size = $25 @ 75GB So you'll be able to store 12 4K movies at a time that will take an average of 35 min each to download with a good connection Or Panasonic UB820 = $403 Average used 4K movie = $15 For the cost of the Strato V with zero movies, you can purchase a UB820 and 239 used 4K films Can someone explain to me like a small child why you'd choose a Kaleidescape in this scenario
I used to say the same thing. Ran a PLEX server for over 10 years. When the Strato V was announced I was willing to give it a try. I will admit I have been amazed. Takes me 10 mins to get a movie downloaded, new releases are available before disk and while still in theaters in some cases. I have noticed increased video and audio quality over the disc in major releases like Barbie and TG Maverick. I don't see myself ever paying for more storage though. I will continue to run my PLEX server as well for all the other TVs in my home as well as sharing with others. But this is my dedicated theater system media box. I would not buy or hook up to anything other that.
@@PIPERBOYWILLIAMS Ha. I have put nearly double that amount into my PLEX set up over the years. Dual Synology NASs w/HDs, built multiple dedicate transcoding boxes, BD rippers and thousands on movies discs. I know the initial cost of the Kaleidescape is outrageous but it is going to pay for itself in the long run with better quality to boot. Definitely save time as well. Only thing that worries me is purchasing being digital and DRMd. If Kaleidescape ever goes out of business that would suck. I won't stop running my PLEX server in the meantime. You gotta be the target audience for this gear to understand it's value.
@@WJKramer21 I've seen a multitude of subjective comparatives of kaleidescape vs 4K disc and the anecdotal response seems to be splitting hairs in favor of one or the other. Access to a few new films a few weeks earlier doesn't bridge that price gap. Not to mention you will never actually own any of these movies. There's a non-zero chance you've got a $10,000 paperweight in a year or two *shrug*
Great conversation. I agree with Matt as to why buy all that storage if you can down load a 4K in less than 15 minutes. When you think about it how time are you really going to play a move over again that you need to have it available in a few seconds. Which brings me to my next question as to why would you by a movie for $24 when you can rent it for $8 on Kaleidescape? you have to watch it 4 times before it would be worth buying. I can see owning a couple dozen movies that you love to watch many times, but 90% of the movies we watch once and we are good for another 5 or 10 years before watching it again. There are too many moves out there to explore.
@@paulc5389 Thats actually the approach. I actually rented quite a few, like "IF" recently. A one-time watch. But since I rented it, it shows up under "digital offers", where if I choose to buy it, they deduct the rental price from the full price of the content you then "own". I really only buy collections, or the full movie for things that I demo scenes from, or watch the movies on a regular cadence.
So I bought one (Strato V) with the intention of using it as a new release rental type platform like you describe. I scanned in a couple disc to digital titles of my favorite movies just to own and have for theater demos. But what I have found, new release movie rentals are usually priced close to just purchasing the movie. Example Twisters is 25$ to own and 20$ rent.
@@jerryrobinson278 I posted this mid video before he mentioned he also had a NAS/Plex setup, wherein you get a good sized NAS with redundancy and fill it with lossless 4k UHD rips.
@@mattnelson1366 Sorry, I posted this mid video before you mentioned you also had a NAS. I know you can and did but there's no way I could justify $4k-14k to get access to movies 6-12 weeks early. If it is that important to me I'll pay $13 to see it in XD and then buy the disc when it comes out (and subsequently rip it.)
I can't imagine it's worth the money. It reminds me of the cable industry...you can spend thousands of dollars on a 6' speaker cable basically so you can claim you spent thousands of dollars on a 6' speaker cable.
So the value proposition of this box over 4K blu-ray comes down to time. If don’t want to wait the extra few months for a title to come out on disc, then the Kaleidescape is for you ($$$ aside). Or is there more to it?
@@bobsacamano1274 That is IMHO a large part. There is also the part of swapping disks, or dealing with investing in a compatible optical drive to rip disks, and having the time to rip process the disks.
'worth' is always subjective, what may not be worth it to you may be worth it to others, not a hard concept, for example i have my same car from 2005 as it is not worth it upgrade to another car. Yet others find it worth it to change cars every 5 years. I don't judge them for that, its their money.
Not worth it. Way too expensive. I doubt most ppl can tell a big diff btw 4k vs 1080p from projector unless you really looked. Bettor option is to rip blu-rays and stream from Plex.
for you, not for others and yes you can absolutely tell difference between 4K vs 1080p on 110" projection screen at 6 ft. Even my wife notices difference and she never notices difference on things like that normally.
For you, maybe. It's hard to watch this video and not see the clear benefits if it's affordable to the individual. I think I can personally do something similar with a NAS and Zidoo UHD player but I'll have to put in the sweat to get it all up. This is ready to go and essentially plug n play if you want it to be.
@nathanielturgeman5821 there is zero benefit. I saw it at Audio Advise Livs. You're going to burn through data re-downloading movies because you can only keep 9 to 10 on it at a time. Video and audio is indecernable from 4k UHD. I ran a lot of demos of movies I've watched a lot on my ANTHEM receiver on an anthem receiver there with kaleidascape and there is no observable difference. The UI doesn't look like kaleidascape. Ui looks like a cheap android. This is a rip off. Not even the salesman could convince anyone it was worth it there. It's not a kaleidascape experience.
It's extremely overpriced for what it is. The movies are more expensive on the device and the storage prices are absolutely insane. It's a product that is quickly becoming more obsolete every year as streaming speeds get faster and faster. In 5-10 years this product will be a blip in the timeline
You two are awesome! Congratulations Matt
How can you say you own the content but you don't have access to the file to use the content however you want? Everything is unknown so with that said what happens if Kaleidescape goes under and you have spent thousands on content? Will they give you access to the files that you paid for?
With streaming speeds getting closer and closer to that elusive 80mbps this product will have zero use in the near future. I hope they enjoy the product, but I couldn't spend thousands of dollars on something that's quickly becoming obsolete.
Very nice, Matt!
It's awesome to see you two doing a video together!
George, your friend Matt almost had me sold as well but since I'm the process of renovating our home theater I need to remind myself about priorities. I like the convenience of Kaleidescape which saves time, storage and adding more gear. The best quality of video and sound is a must for me! Someday....
I’m right there with you. Maybe someday…😁
Good point @12:47 - you can't watch these movies on any other TV in your house. It's essentially limited to the home theater room. I guess you could carry the Strato Player but if you have the extra hard drive it would be tougher and you risk damaging it which I'm sure Kaleidescape won't cover - sorry, I was carrying it upstairs and dropped it. No problem, that's covered under the lifetime warranty of moving it around!
Great discussion
You're getting one huh? 😂. Also, storage going bad is a very valid concern. I've felt that sting before.
Strato V is a ripoff
Kaleidescape Strato V (960GB)= $3,995
Average 4k movie price & file size = $25 @ 75GB
So you'll be able to store 12 4K movies at a time that will take an average of 35 min each to download with a good connection
Or
Panasonic UB820 = $403
Average used 4K movie = $15
For the cost of the Strato V with zero movies, you can purchase a UB820 and 239 used 4K films
Can someone explain to me like a small child why you'd choose a Kaleidescape in this scenario
They are trying to get creators to convince me. This dudes trying to convince us
I used to say the same thing. Ran a PLEX server for over 10 years. When the Strato V was announced I was willing to give it a try. I will admit I have been amazed. Takes me 10 mins to get a movie downloaded, new releases are available before disk and while still in theaters in some cases. I have noticed increased video and audio quality over the disc in major releases like Barbie and TG Maverick. I don't see myself ever paying for more storage though. I will continue to run my PLEX server as well for all the other TVs in my home as well as sharing with others. But this is my dedicated theater system media box. I would not buy or hook up to anything other that.
@@WJKramer21 you gotta be kidding
@@PIPERBOYWILLIAMS Ha. I have put nearly double that amount into my PLEX set up over the years. Dual Synology NASs w/HDs, built multiple dedicate transcoding boxes, BD rippers and thousands on movies discs. I know the initial cost of the Kaleidescape is outrageous but it is going to pay for itself in the long run with better quality to boot. Definitely save time as well. Only thing that worries me is purchasing being digital and DRMd. If Kaleidescape ever goes out of business that would suck. I won't stop running my PLEX server in the meantime. You gotta be the target audience for this gear to understand it's value.
@@WJKramer21 I've seen a multitude of subjective comparatives of kaleidescape vs 4K disc and the anecdotal response seems to be splitting hairs in favor of one or the other.
Access to a few new films a few weeks earlier doesn't bridge that price gap. Not to mention you will never actually own any of these movies. There's a non-zero chance you've got a $10,000 paperweight in a year or two *shrug*
Great conversation. I agree with Matt as to why buy all that storage if you can down load a 4K in less than 15 minutes. When you think about it how time are you really going to play a move over again that you need to have it available in a few seconds. Which brings me to my next question as to why would you by a movie for $24 when you can rent it for $8 on Kaleidescape? you have to watch it 4 times before it would be worth buying. I can see owning a couple dozen movies that you love to watch many times, but 90% of the movies we watch once and we are good for another 5 or 10 years before watching it again. There are too many moves out there to explore.
@@paulc5389 Thats actually the approach. I actually rented quite a few, like "IF" recently. A one-time watch. But since I rented it, it shows up under "digital offers", where if I choose to buy it, they deduct the rental price from the full price of the content you then "own". I really only buy collections, or the full movie for things that I demo scenes from, or watch the movies on a regular cadence.
So I bought one (Strato V) with the intention of using it as a new release rental type platform like you describe. I scanned in a couple disc to digital titles of my favorite movies just to own and have for theater demos. But what I have found, new release movie rentals are usually priced close to just purchasing the movie. Example Twisters is 25$ to own and 20$ rent.
Matt's tactics seem to be working I'm trying to get you to buy your own. Hehe
For that much money couldn't you buy a massive NAS and run Plex or Kodi?
Yep, you can, and I do. The tipping point was heavy around the speed to market for new releases.
But then , where's the movies
@@jerryrobinson278 I posted this mid video before he mentioned he also had a NAS/Plex setup, wherein you get a good sized NAS with redundancy and fill it with lossless 4k UHD rips.
@@mattnelson1366 Sorry, I posted this mid video before you mentioned you also had a NAS. I know you can and did but there's no way I could justify $4k-14k to get access to movies 6-12 weeks early. If it is that important to me I'll pay $13 to see it in XD and then buy the disc when it comes out (and subsequently rip it.)
I can't imagine it's worth the money. It reminds me of the cable industry...you can spend thousands of dollars on a 6' speaker cable basically so you can claim you spent thousands of dollars on a 6' speaker cable.
It’s expensive for sure. But it does offer a level of convenience and early access that no other product can match.
So the value proposition of this box over 4K blu-ray comes down to time. If don’t want to wait the extra few months for a title to come out on disc, then the Kaleidescape is for you ($$$ aside). Or is there more to it?
@@bobsacamano1274 That is IMHO a large part. There is also the part of swapping disks, or dealing with investing in a compatible optical drive to rip disks, and having the time to rip process the disks.
@@mattnelson1366^^^ Exactly my point! Working 12+ hrs/day doesn't leave me much time plus other projects in the house take most of my spare time.
'worth' is always subjective, what may not be worth it to you may be worth it to others, not a hard concept, for example i have my same car from 2005 as it is not worth it upgrade to another car. Yet others find it worth it to change cars every 5 years. I don't judge them for that, its their money.
Man I wish I could buy one but there just way to expensive
Guy taking about finger prints for a little black box that cost a few thousands
Sign me up! ;)
Not worth it. Way too expensive. I doubt most ppl can tell a big diff btw 4k vs 1080p from projector unless you really looked. Bettor option is to rip blu-rays and stream from Plex.
for you, not for others and yes you can absolutely tell difference between 4K vs 1080p on 110" projection screen at 6 ft. Even my wife notices difference and she never notices difference on things like that normally.
People build home theatre systems for 10k, 100k, whatever.. It is crazy to cheap out at the source material..
too expensive. hard pass.
They will try to make him a dealer to compromise him soon
For you, maybe. It's hard to watch this video and not see the clear benefits if it's affordable to the individual. I think I can personally do something similar with a NAS and Zidoo UHD player but I'll have to put in the sweat to get it all up. This is ready to go and essentially plug n play if you want it to be.
@nathanielturgeman5821 there is zero benefit. I saw it at Audio Advise Livs. You're going to burn through data re-downloading movies because you can only keep 9 to 10 on it at a time. Video and audio is indecernable from 4k UHD. I ran a lot of demos of movies I've watched a lot on my ANTHEM receiver on an anthem receiver there with kaleidascape and there is no observable difference. The UI doesn't look like kaleidascape. Ui looks like a cheap android. This is a rip off. Not even the salesman could convince anyone it was worth it there. It's not a kaleidascape experience.
It's extremely overpriced for what it is. The movies are more expensive on the device and the storage prices are absolutely insane. It's a product that is quickly becoming more obsolete every year as streaming speeds get faster and faster. In 5-10 years this product will be a blip in the timeline