Clarification regarding the subwoofer layout from Adam "The two SubOuts on the X6700H are discrete. I use a MiniDSP 2X4HD to process four of the subwoofers. Since each Sub is EQd and time aligned independently, it's considered a .4. The fifth sub in the back of the room is ran from the Sub2 output, which is discrete from the other four, resulting in the .5. The rear sub is integrated with the others by using Audyssey XT32. So you are correct when describing it as 7.5.6 since each subwoofer is EQ'd and time aligned separately. I hope this helps explain the layout."
I'm doing something very similar in my setup. My main receiver is a Denon X6700H with 3 subs and a MiniDSP, plus I'm using my old Denon AVR-5800 (170w/ch) to drive the front 5 speakers (7.3.4). I was planning on getting external amps, but I don't think I will now. It sounds great and the impact is a lot of fun.
Awesome place. How do you manage to power several speakers with the old AVR? I thought about it (I have an old onkyo avr that needs repairs) but I believe that I could only power a pair due to only manage to pass tru 1 line in at the time. Due to having my couch next to the back wall I'd probably place the rear atmos speakers like your middle atmos line, the angled klipsch rp 500sa 2. I don't know if that could work (and if the configuration should be as heights or tops). Cheers
@JCOTV When SACD was first introduced, the studios were concerned about copyright infringement because the sound quality was so good. The early SACD players contained a Multichannel outputs, where every channel had a discrete output using RCA cables and their own bass management system. So your speaker distance and levels had to be programmed into the player, as well as the AVR for other sources. The Multichannel inputs on the AVR bypass the internal bass management and use the input source for all the required processing. The Onkyo TX-DS898 that I use has a separate input for each of its seven channels. It's actually the first THX Select AVR produced by Onkyo and one step below the TX-DS989 flagship. The Multichannel input could not be directly recorded from, so this satisfied the studios copyright concerns. I simply use the Denon X6700H preouts and run the RCA cables to the Onkyo's Multichannel inputs. Of course the labeling on the inputs don't match what speaker position they're being fed, so I just need to pay attention to which input is powering each speaker position and run the corresponding speaker connections properly.
I am about to install these same mounts into 4 Kef Q150s later this week to install in the ceiling. Do you happen to remember or know the length and head size of the screws you used to attach the the mount plate to the speaker cabinet? It would be a huge help and be great If I didn't need to take a cabinet apart before doing this. I will be installing them just like George did on the same side of q150s. This room looks incredible!
@jacktracks707 The Chane A4.5 is pre tapped to accept a 100x100mm VESA mount. I fortunately did not need to drill into the cabinet, and the machine screws that came with the mount worked perfectly. I wish you luck with your project and wish I could be more of a help.
This is similar to my home theater setup. With the amount of time I spend watching movies, I opted NOT to have a dedicated room because I enjoy being in the living room with its open floor plan, open windows for that nice summer breeze, etc. I have an 85" Sony TV that I sit 10 feet away from. My main listening position is six feet from my back wall, so I've got a custom-made bookcase back there holding my DVD collection with Bookshelf speakers sitting on top for my rear channels. My 7.3.4 sound system consists of 6 SVS Ultra Bookshelf speakers (2 for the mains, 2 for the side channels, and 2 for the rears), an SVS Ultra Center speaker, 4 SVS Prime Elevation speakers ceiling mounted for Dolby Atmos, an SVS SB16-Ultra subwoofer in the rear and 2 SVS SB-3000 subwoofers up front. The system is powered by a Parasound Halo A52+ 5 channel amplifier powering the 5 bedlayer speakers and a Yamaha Aventage RX-A8A AVR powering the rear speakers and the 4 Prime Elevation speakers for Dolby Atmos. Dual AC Infinity AIRCOM T9's keep the amps cool, and all are connected to a Panamax M5400-PM Power Conditioner. The output power of this 14 speaker Living Room home theater system is 4,300 watts R.M.S.
For what the guy was going for, I think he did a great job. My HT room is multipurpose - it's a bedroom and HT, which is essential for how much room we have in the house. That said, I would never want a HT room that has other things going on while I'm watching a movie. In fact, it drives me nuts when anything else is going on that I can hear/see while I'm watching a movie. But that is me and not everyone gets so uptight about these things.
I agree. When friends are over and we're having drinks and shooting pool, I run the system with the Multichannel Stereo DSP, and the room is filled evenly with music. It's a nice effect that I call "Party Mode". The layout is also great on game day, with seating and activities for numerous people. With movies, it tends to be just my wife and I, so I'm glad that I didn't go the designated theater route with multiple rows of seating. It would have been a waste of space for my usage.
Apparently, this is open to some interpretation. My setup is very similar with bookshelves hung from the ceiling angled towards the main listening positions. There are some schools of thought that the better placement is direct down fireing to envelope the listening position. Some have said it better localized the effects. I haven't AB'd it as I love my setup. And I also subscribe that sometimes things sound better in different rooms with different placement.
Sometimes it's nice to see how people make use of what they have and extend things out to get as much life out of things. We all love the hundred thousand dollar theaters, but realistically most of us will never be able to come even close to that. And at the end of the day, my modest investment into mine, which has been mostly my time by comparison to some other friends of mine who have spent tens of thousands of dollars. I feel my return on my investment is infinitely more than there sometimes. These days I have almost as much fun helping my friends get their home feeder, set up and move towards something as I do.Enjoying mine.
As far as i can tell every home theater enthusiast which upgrade is most noticeable, then i would say amplification. Its night and day difference atleast what i can perceive by switching from inbuilt to external amplification. You will notice that your old not so expensive speakers are shining after this upgrade.👍
@@OG_G4m3r using x3800h with 5 channel amplifier which can output full amplification at 2vrms. I am using 5.1.2 configuration only. 3800 is only powering 2 height speakers.
@@OG_G4m3r start with 5 channel amp by doing that you will get good amplification to your bed layer which also offload 3800 of the 5 channels and run those height speaker with 3800. I use a home brand called xtreme audio which makes custom amplifiers. The amplifier i am using uses seperate pcb block for each channel with 200 watts per channel. Its very good for my taste of audio as far as i can tell and like to crank volume in movies alot.
@@forgot46 I just got some Chane speakers and im gonna run them off the outlaw audio 7 channel amps from an arcam av41but only plan on running 2 subs, one sealed and one ported , sealed give you extreme low end umph and ported is just louder.
Great system Looks good too . Correct me if i am wrong but if the processor has one or two sub-outs and you daisy chain 5 subwoofers its still 7. 2.6 . I am not quite sure of any processor that has 6 independent sub outs. Maybe Trinnov? But then are there any movies out configured for 6 independent LFE ?..🤔
The .5 refers to each subwoofer being time aligned and EQ'd separately. The two subwoofer outputs on the X6700H are independent, meaning that they're each EQ'd separately. I use.a MiniDSP 2X4HD to time align and EQ the four subwoofers in the theater area, which only requires one of the sub outputs, but would be considered a .4 since each subwoofer is EQd separately. I use the Sub2 output for the fifth subwoofer, which is again time aligned and EQd separately from the other four, resulting in the .5. Audyssey XT32 is used to align the fifth sub with the others.
The volume level on the Onkyo is set to reference (82 on the Onkyo or '0' on other brands) and creates the base level then never changes. SPL level is controlled by the signal strength of the Denon preouts just like it would be on any other external amp. Audyssey XT32 and all other adjustments are controlled through the Denon as usual.
@@GeorgeTheaterAtHome I am about to install these same mounts into 4 Kef Q150s later this week to install in the ceiling. Do either of you gentlemen happen to remember or know the length and head size of the screws you used to attach the the mount plate to the speaker cabinet. It would be a huge help and be great If I didn't need to take a cabinet apart before doing this. I will be installing them just like George did on the same side. Thanks sorry to bug ya yet again, last attempt. Really appreciate the videos a lot!
I’m not sure of the exact screw size. However, I do know head of the screw is large enough to not pass thru the mount holes. And the screw length is just a bit shorter than the thickness of the wall of the speaker cabinet. Unscrew the back plate of the speaker (the plate with the speaker wire connectors) and remove the plate. You’ll be able to see how thick the cabinet walls are. Select screws that are a bit shorter than the thickness so they don’t drill all the way thru. Hopefully this helps.
So, what are the room’s overall dimensions? A 9ft ceiling is certainly a gift to work with, but the other two would be interesting to know. “Multi purpose” as in several simultaneous modes of big boy entertainment 😂
The MiniDSP 2X4HD time aligns the four subwoofers in the theater area the fifth sub is ran from the Sub2 output and integrated with the four by using Audyssey XT32.
So - 7.2.6 setup, but 5 subs? Does that mean you have 5 subwoofers playing two LFE channels? This is quite confusing. Dolby Atmos only ever has 1 LFE channel. It seems like the receiver has two sub outputs? If so, do you know how it's creating that second sub output? Is it somehow summing the LFE channel and the low end of all other channels and then splitting them out as two identical LFE channels? How does it then become 5 subs? I didn't watch the whole video, so apologies if that's included in the video...
I use a MiniDSP 2X4HD to time align and EQ the four subs in the theater area. The MiniDSP only requires one Sub output. The fifth sub is ran from the Sub2 output and EQ'd with the other subs by running Audyssey XT32 calibration.
I remember Massdrop (Drop) had some Chane tower speakers for under $500. I didn’t know anything about them so I didn’t buy them. Kicking myself that I didnt now
You incorrectly described the number of subwoofer channels. The 6700H only has two discrete LFE channels. I think you confused the number of subwoofers with the number of LFE channels. The number after the first decimal only indicates the number of discreet channels, and it never indicates the total number of subwoofers being used. Using Y splitters to increase the number of subs does not increase the number after the first decimal. Otherwise, some people would probably claim to have a 7.12 system. 😂
You are correct. There are 5 subs, but only two discrete LFE channels. And now that I’m thinking about it I’m not sure whether the 3700H has two truly separate LFE channels or if the two RCA outputs have basically a Y connector internally 🤔
I have two Sub outputs Sub1 has a MiniDSP 2X4HD which time aligns and EQ's the four subwoofers in the theater area. Since each of the subwoofers is EQ''d independently it 's considered a .4, the fifth sub is ran from the Sub2 output and integrated with the others using Audyssey XT32. This is once again a separate Sub out with its own EQ and time alignment, which results in the .5
@GeorgeTheaterAtHome The two SubOuts on the X6700H are discrete. I use a MiniDSP 2X4HD to process four of the subwoofers. Since each Sub is EQd and time aligned independently, it's considered a .4. The fifth sub in the back of the room is ran from the Sub2 output, which is discrete from the other four, resulting in the .5. The rear sub is integrated with the others by using Audyssey XT32. So you are correct when describing it as 7.5.6 since each subwoofer is EQ'd and time aligned separately. I hope this helps explain the layout.
Clarification regarding the subwoofer layout from Adam
"The two SubOuts on the X6700H are discrete. I use a MiniDSP 2X4HD to process four of the subwoofers. Since each Sub is EQd and time aligned independently, it's considered a .4. The fifth sub in the back of the room is ran from the Sub2 output, which is discrete from the other four, resulting in the .5.
The rear sub is integrated with the others by using Audyssey XT32. So you are correct when describing it as 7.5.6 since each subwoofer is EQ'd and time aligned separately. I hope this helps explain the layout."
I'm doing something very similar in my setup. My main receiver is a Denon X6700H with 3 subs and a MiniDSP, plus I'm using my old Denon AVR-5800 (170w/ch) to drive the front 5 speakers (7.3.4). I was planning on getting external amps, but I don't think I will now. It sounds great and the impact is a lot of fun.
Nice! Sounds like it will work great!
I also have a multipurpose room and this gave a good idea on what I can do to it. Great and awesome set up. 🤙🏼
Thank you, George!
It was great having everyone over, and you're more than welcome back anytime.
Awesome place. How do you manage to power several speakers with the old AVR? I thought about it (I have an old onkyo avr that needs repairs) but I believe that I could only power a pair due to only manage to pass tru 1 line in at the time.
Due to having my couch next to the back wall I'd probably place the rear atmos speakers like your middle atmos line, the angled klipsch rp 500sa 2. I don't know if that could work (and if the configuration should be as heights or tops).
Cheers
@JCOTV When SACD was first introduced, the studios were concerned about copyright infringement because the sound quality was so good. The early SACD players contained a Multichannel outputs, where every channel had a discrete output using RCA cables and their own bass management system. So your speaker distance and levels had to be programmed into the player, as well as the AVR for other sources. The Multichannel inputs on the AVR bypass the internal bass management and use the input source for all the required processing. The Onkyo TX-DS898 that I use has a separate input for each of its seven channels. It's actually the first THX Select AVR produced by Onkyo and one step below the TX-DS989 flagship. The Multichannel input could not be directly recorded from, so this satisfied the studios copyright concerns.
I simply use the Denon X6700H preouts and run the RCA cables to the Onkyo's Multichannel inputs. Of course the labeling on the inputs don't match what speaker position they're being fed, so I just need to pay attention to which input is powering each speaker position and run the corresponding speaker connections properly.
I am about to install these same mounts into 4 Kef Q150s later this week to install in the ceiling. Do you happen to remember or know the length and head size of the screws you used to attach the the mount plate to the speaker cabinet? It would be a huge help and be great If I didn't need to take a cabinet apart before doing this. I will be installing them just like George did on the same side of q150s. This room looks incredible!
@@adamboyd7327 that's brilliant 👏!
@jacktracks707 The Chane A4.5 is pre tapped to accept a 100x100mm VESA mount. I fortunately did not need to drill into the cabinet, and the machine screws that came with the mount worked perfectly. I wish you luck with your project and wish I could be more of a help.
This is similar to my home theater setup. With the amount of time I spend watching movies, I opted NOT to have a dedicated room because I enjoy being in the living room with its open floor plan, open windows for that nice summer breeze, etc. I have an 85" Sony TV that I sit 10 feet away from. My main listening position is six feet from my back wall, so I've got a custom-made bookcase back there holding my DVD collection with Bookshelf speakers sitting on top for my rear channels. My 7.3.4 sound system consists of 6 SVS Ultra Bookshelf speakers (2 for the mains, 2 for the side channels, and 2 for the rears), an SVS Ultra Center speaker, 4 SVS Prime Elevation speakers ceiling mounted for Dolby Atmos, an SVS SB16-Ultra subwoofer in the rear and 2 SVS SB-3000 subwoofers up front. The system is powered by a Parasound Halo A52+ 5 channel amplifier powering the 5 bedlayer speakers and a Yamaha Aventage RX-A8A AVR powering the rear speakers and the 4 Prime Elevation speakers for Dolby Atmos. Dual AC Infinity AIRCOM T9's keep the amps cool, and all are connected to a Panamax M5400-PM Power Conditioner. The output power of this 14 speaker Living Room home theater system is 4,300 watts R.M.S.
Oh wow I seen this on a home theater group on facebook so happy to see a video about this setup killer setup
For what the guy was going for, I think he did a great job. My HT room is multipurpose - it's a bedroom and HT, which is essential for how much room we have in the house. That said, I would never want a HT room that has other things going on while I'm watching a movie. In fact, it drives me nuts when anything else is going on that I can hear/see while I'm watching a movie. But that is me and not everyone gets so uptight about these things.
I agree. When friends are over and we're having drinks and shooting pool, I run the system with the Multichannel Stereo DSP, and the room is filled evenly with music. It's a nice effect that I call "Party Mode". The layout is also great on game day, with seating and activities for numerous people.
With movies, it tends to be just my wife and I, so I'm glad that I didn't go the designated theater route with multiple rows of seating. It would have been a waste of space for my usage.
It has a cool vibe!
It does indeed! He did a great job with the whole room.
Important to note that this is simply the CORRECT placement method, as per pro Atmos mixing studios.
Apparently, this is open to some interpretation. My setup is very similar with bookshelves hung from the ceiling angled towards the main listening positions. There are some schools of thought that the better placement is direct down fireing to envelope the listening position. Some have said it better localized the effects. I haven't AB'd it as I love my setup. And I also subscribe that sometimes things sound better in different rooms with different placement.
That’s exactly my dream setup for when we move into the next house that has a basement area! 🎉
5 Subwoofers scares me! My 1 Subwoofer scares me! I turn it down a lot.
Sometimes it's nice to see how people make use of what they have and extend things out to get as much life out of things. We all love the hundred thousand dollar theaters, but realistically most of us will never be able to come even close to that. And at the end of the day, my modest investment into mine, which has been mostly my time by comparison to some other friends of mine who have spent tens of thousands of dollars. I feel my return on my investment is infinitely more than there sometimes. These days I have almost as much fun helping my friends get their home feeder, set up and move towards something as I do.Enjoying mine.
Excellent perspective. Thanks for sharing!
As far as i can tell every home theater enthusiast which upgrade is most noticeable, then i would say amplification. Its night and day difference atleast what i can perceive by switching from inbuilt to external amplification. You will notice that your old not so expensive speakers are shining after this upgrade.👍
What does your amp and receiver set up look like?
@@OG_G4m3r using x3800h with 5 channel amplifier which can output full amplification at 2vrms. I am using 5.1.2 configuration only. 3800 is only powering 2 height speakers.
@forgot46 I have a 3800H as well! Currently with a 5.2.2 setup but looking to go 5.2.4 eventually. Which amp are you using?
@@OG_G4m3r start with 5 channel amp by doing that you will get good amplification to your bed layer which also offload 3800 of the 5 channels and run those height speaker with 3800. I use a home brand called xtreme audio which makes custom amplifiers. The amplifier i am using uses seperate pcb block for each channel with 200 watts per channel. Its very good for my taste of audio as far as i can tell and like to crank volume in movies alot.
@@forgot46 I just got some Chane speakers and im gonna run them off the outlaw audio 7 channel amps from an
arcam av41but only plan on running 2 subs, one sealed and one ported , sealed give you extreme low end umph and ported is just louder.
Great system Looks good too . Correct me if i am wrong but if the processor has one or two sub-outs and you daisy chain 5 subwoofers its still 7. 2.6 . I am not quite sure of any processor that has 6 independent sub outs. Maybe Trinnov? But then are there any movies out configured for 6 independent LFE ?..🤔
Maybe with a miniDsp?
The .5 refers to each subwoofer being time aligned and EQ'd separately. The two subwoofer outputs on the X6700H are independent, meaning that they're each EQ'd separately. I use.a MiniDSP 2X4HD to time align and EQ the four subwoofers in the theater area, which only requires one of the sub outputs, but would be considered a .4 since each subwoofer is EQd separately. I use the Sub2 output for the fifth subwoofer, which is again time aligned and EQd separately from the other four, resulting in the .5. Audyssey XT32 is used to align the fifth sub with the others.
@@adamboyd7327 Nice set up, what mounts are you running on ur overhead channels? They dont look to big like other mounts do.
Just wondering: when changing the volume, does he need to change it for both avr's separately?
The volume level on the Onkyo is set to reference (82 on the Onkyo or '0' on other brands) and creates the base level then never changes. SPL level is controlled by the signal strength of the Denon preouts just like it would be on any other external amp. Audyssey XT32 and all other adjustments are controlled through the Denon as usual.
Setup looks awesome! Can you share with us the link to the articulating mount Adam used to mount his height speakers?
Ceiling mount
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@@GeorgeTheaterAtHome thank you!
@@GeorgeTheaterAtHome I am about to install these same mounts into 4 Kef Q150s later this week to install in the ceiling. Do either of you gentlemen happen to remember or know the length and head size of the screws you used to attach the the mount plate to the speaker cabinet. It would be a huge help and be great If I didn't need to take a cabinet apart before doing this. I will be installing them just like George did on the same side. Thanks sorry to bug ya yet again, last attempt. Really appreciate the videos a lot!
I’m not sure of the exact screw size. However, I do know head of the screw is large enough to not pass thru the mount holes. And the screw length is just a bit shorter than the thickness of the wall of the speaker cabinet. Unscrew the back plate of the speaker (the plate with the speaker wire connectors) and remove the plate. You’ll be able to see how thick the cabinet walls are. Select screws that are a bit shorter than the thickness so they don’t drill all the way thru. Hopefully this helps.
@@GeorgeTheaterAtHome Thanks George. I will do just that! Really appreciate your videos. Ill chime in with how it went after I get them installed.
Which mounts does he use for the atmos speakers?
These are his mounts
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So, what are the room’s overall dimensions? A 9ft ceiling is certainly a gift to work with, but the other two would be interesting to know.
“Multi purpose” as in several simultaneous modes of big boy entertainment 😂
42' in length.
16' wide for 22' which contains the media area, and then it opens up to 18' wide for the remaining 20' with the pool table.
Great looking multi purpose room. What brackets did he use to Mount the Atmos speaker.
These are the mounts I used, similar to Adam’s
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@@GeorgeTheaterAtHome Thanks for reply. keep up the great videos
Great video! I do have a question, how does he do 13 channels with a receiver that has 11 channels?
His AVR does 11 channels of amplification, and 13 channels of processing. He’s using an external amp to power extra channels.
Centre speaker looks HUGE. What model is that?
Chane 752
my home theater is also multipurpose room since my house is very small , but sound very fantastic , is look like just this video
How do you connect 5 subwoofers? Mini dsp only does upto 4
Its probably 7.2.6 with the subs daisy chained. Bet it sounds good though.
The MiniDSP 2X4HD time aligns the four subwoofers in the theater area the fifth sub is ran from the Sub2 output and integrated with the four by using Audyssey XT32.
So - 7.2.6 setup, but 5 subs? Does that mean you have 5 subwoofers playing two LFE channels? This is quite confusing.
Dolby Atmos only ever has 1 LFE channel. It seems like the receiver has two sub outputs? If so, do you know how it's creating that second sub output? Is it somehow summing the LFE channel and the low end of all other channels and then splitting them out as two identical LFE channels?
How does it then become 5 subs?
I didn't watch the whole video, so apologies if that's included in the video...
I use a MiniDSP 2X4HD to time align and EQ the four subs in the theater area. The MiniDSP only requires one Sub output. The fifth sub is ran from the Sub2 output and EQ'd with the other subs by running Audyssey XT32 calibration.
I remember Massdrop (Drop) had some Chane tower speakers for under $500. I didn’t know anything about them so I didn’t buy them. Kicking myself that I didnt now
Nice Rig! 0:10
You incorrectly described the number of subwoofer channels. The 6700H only has two discrete LFE channels. I think you confused the number of subwoofers with the number of LFE channels. The number after the first decimal only indicates the number of discreet channels, and it never indicates the total number of subwoofers being used. Using Y splitters to increase the number of subs does not increase the number after the first decimal. Otherwise, some people would probably claim to have a 7.12 system. 😂
You are correct. There are 5 subs, but only two discrete LFE channels. And now that I’m thinking about it I’m not sure whether the 3700H has two truly separate LFE channels or if the two RCA outputs have basically a Y connector internally 🤔
I have two Sub outputs Sub1 has a MiniDSP 2X4HD which time aligns and EQ's the four subwoofers in the theater area. Since each of the subwoofers is EQ''d independently it 's considered a .4, the fifth sub is ran from the Sub2 output and integrated with the others using Audyssey XT32. This is once again a separate Sub out with its own EQ and time alignment, which results in the .5
@GeorgeTheaterAtHome The two SubOuts on the X6700H are discrete. I use a MiniDSP 2X4HD to process four of the subwoofers. Since each Sub is EQd and time aligned independently, it's considered a .4. The fifth sub in the back of the room is ran from the Sub2 output, which is discrete from the other four, resulting in the .5.
The rear sub is integrated with the others by using Audyssey XT32. So you are correct when describing it as 7.5.6 since each subwoofer is EQ'd and time aligned separately. I hope this helps explain the layout.