Most important are the Discs. I need to feel and touch a disc. Disc is a nice thing. I hate to download and delete things that you can’t see or touch. So I keep my Oppo 203 !
@@therealshanelee Wow now that is a step in the right direction. I also liked what you said. Movies are less compressed so the quality is better. Impressive
It's funny when price gets involved, hate goes up 1,000%. As someone who's worked with DAW for music production, I can tell you that professional hard drives and interfaces are expensive. My last workstation involved internal storage, working storage, backup storage, and cloud storage. ALL several thousand dollars each but when an artist nails a take, you don't risk losing it cause you cheap out on storage and/or interfaces. If you are thinking this is a replacement for an Apple TV to stream Netflix, it's not. This is designed for purpose-built home theaters who want access to content before anyone else. Exclusivity is expensive otherwise it's not "exclusive". My $.02...
with the lack of dolby vision or hdr10, what's the difference in picture quality vs a high end blu ray? I see the bitrate is higher, but lack of HDR, sounds like quite a loss
You'll notice it on larger screens with high quality projection or large LED/ MicroLED displays. If you can afford it and value image quality why settle for anything less. If you don't care then stick to streaming or disc.
Saw the new products headline and thought to myself "Sweet! Maybe they decided to appeal to the folks with more sense than money" Nope! No. They are definitely NOT😢
Kaleidoscope is a high-end brand, offering high-end products and, as such, not for everyone. Not only the equipment itself but also movies, which are usually priced higher than the physical media equivalent - with better quality, but IMHO only cinephiles will notice the difference. Lower-priced offerings might dilute the exclusive appeal of the brand … so no. Other brands cater for lower budgets and, sad as it may be, that’s the way the world works
This is a silly product given the price point. Not only that it’s not really better than a 4k blue Ray disc. Bottom line this is product is useless at this price point for 99% of people
Very cool product and I know it's a premium product but it's just such a high price of entry. Really wish something was available like this at a 4k Blu-ray price.
They should be making this stuff less proprietary. Like there is no reason i shouldn't be able to make my own storage, use my own pc and they could make an affordable player. Also owning your movies physically lends to removing drm easier
Good video. I had a question that didn’t get answered at the end. Will there be any future of disk to digital for 4K disks? I have a lot of physical media which makes switching to a Kscape hard to swallow and have to repurchase all the movies or have movies on 2 different systems.
Thought you meant like a movies anywhere type of thing. Yes you can catalog your 4k discs and purchase their version at a discount. He mentions it in the video somewhere.
Still don't understand the pricing model. Either you make money with the movies and licences or with the hardware. But the margin on the hardware is just crazy for that hardware that is installed. As internet lines are getting faster and faster, some local ssd capacity is good enough. Traffic is in most cases no more counted and charged at colocation companies, so delete and download again does not increase any cost for Kaleidescape company. If that hardware would be less than 2k, i think they would gain many more customers than today. Completely wrong pricing model in my opinion.
If the system would be less then $1000 for 16TB system, home theater owners would buy this. But since it isn't they will use alternatives which are far cheaper. Yes, you still need to rip your Blu-rays yourself. But that isn't a big deal anyway.
@@kampfkoloss 1000$ is not doable for a solid system that provides copy protection, produced in low quantites etc. But 2k is really doable and nobody needs 16TB... raid 1 ssd 8TB is less than 500$ and enough with good internet line.
Over priced DVR for rich people , John wick 4 is $24.99 ,lol just watched it for free ...they have 23 year old movies for $19.99, lol this is ridiculous, and a hustle at best ..but to each of their own .
There is a large non projector customer base you are missing with the lack of Dolby Vision / HDR 10+…I would buy this if not for these missing features. Hard to give up the contrast of a 77”/83” OLED for a projector regardless of the additional real estate. Please correct ASAP so I can be your customer.
There are plenty of projectors with impressive contrast. I have 3 oleds and NONE compares to a large screen high quality projected image. 77" and 83" are kiddie sizes.
in a high end home that will have multiple tv's, what's the best strategy for getting multi room video? would u have a small number of Strato players, with a video matrix switcher? or would you have a Strato player for each tv, and no video matrix switching?
Thought these were going to be better priced with the announcement. This would be better if you could pull all the videos off the units and store them without drm so that you truly own them but it seems this functions like iTunes movie purchases where it can only be played back by their software.
Very expensive and I would beg to differ if it is any better then Apple TV. Sound may be a bit better but I would bet a side by side on a smaller TV size no one would be able to tell the difference. This is for a dedicated home theater with a 120 inc screen using a native 4k projector other then that its overkill and absurdly expensive.
DRM is and never will be a selling point. So no, this doesn't warrant the extreme prices for the system. If the system so secure the entry prices should be drastically reduced and more costumers may jump on board. Also no Dolby Vision is a deal breaker for many. This means there isn't much to shell out that much money compare to 4K Blu-ray.
Didn't say DRM is a selling point. It's an added cost and a major benefit to studios for allowing full file downloads. Nobody has pirates a Kaleidescape file in it's history. Security costs money.
@@therealshanelee True. However the price for that security should be passed on to the studios, not the consumer. As a consumer I don't care if it's secure.
I don't think many of the guys that have bought a flagship solid state drive Kaleidescape for their yacht are waiting around for movies to go on sale for a few dollars cheaper 😅
@@therealshanelee no not at all. It just seems like a promotion. The lack of Dolby vision was quickly glossed over as were any other negatives. I used to enjoy your channel when you came across a bit more independent. I know you got bills to pay but I wouldn’t trust a review from you any more.
@@desmonddunne3805 well damn. I need to change everything about me now. You won't trust me anymore. I'm so glad you told me that. Now move along. Go watch someone trustworthy. Your wasting space on my channel.
This stuff is a great idea but the price is stupid! What i want is everytging to go digital and you buy a player like this but since competitors will be around prices will drop dramatically. Than you buy digital movies which is the main file uncompressed straight from the distributor eg WB / Disney / Lionsgate ETC. Basically instead of a 4k player your purchasing a TB storage player and download movies onto once purchased.
Most movies are $9.99 - $24.99. If you paid attention Warner Bros is $40 for their top tier new releases. It drops a couple weeks after. Not sure what you're surprised about. They are more often than not cheaper than physical media.
Pricing it's not about what you can afford it's annoying. Someone with a large net worth I no it doesn't like to download this stuff and pay for it like that
New storage that's all it is. What about the price of these products, it's movies for expensive. So what do I do about streaming Netflix and everybody else. I watch the stuff more than watch Kaleidoscope. There's nothing special here. Four minutes versus eight minutes to download that's ridiculous who cares about that
Uncompressed 4K UHD (3840×2160 pixels), 24 frames per second, 10 bit per color, RGB 4:4:4, progressive scan. 120 minutes of video need 4.89 Terabytes of disc space.
@@matteoromenghi These movies aren't even shot with 4:4:4 cameras. Almost all sensors use a Bayer pattern so you get 4:2:2 at best. Many film scanners will also only scan at 4:2:2.
I have to wonder what this call was like after the livestream stopped lol. I don't get why you all are so mad. I agree that most of you are correct in the assessment that a 4K blu-ray will get you most of the way there but you all are acting as if nothing in home theater has been expensive before. Maybe at best Kaleidescape could be a bit more transparent as to why the cost is the way it is. They certainly hinted at their DRM and anti-piracy which supporting and maintaining that to a standard that all major movie studios are content with is probably tons of man hours on the development end. It's okay for a product not be for you, even if you want it. I would like to see a more affordable option come about but if it doesn't and they really just only want premium customers, that's their MO. It's just crazy to see how badly this went over lol, y'all have Shane fighting for his life in the comments rolling in the mud like all of us looool.
![Chino Pacas - Modo Capone (with Drake & JOP) [Video Visualizador Oficial]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Zoc75M8Swhc/mqdefault.jpg)
🛒 LATEST PRICE! tinyurl.com/shaneleeyoutube
This seems enormously expensive for what seems like a small upgrade compared to 4K disc.
Exactly. These devices are so stupid.
The issue is more and more movies aren’t getting 4K discs or get released after the fact.
@@thomaslombardi8520 streaming is enough. Don’t need this player. It’s way over the top.
@@thomaslombardi8520 I don't find that to be true. More movies are getting 4K discs than ever.
Kscape is for people with more dollars than sense
Interesting video, I just like say that for this *price point* for this new Kaleidescape, Dolby Vision & HDR +10 should be a must have on board.
Especially at these prices.
Yup. Just cancelled my order until they release one that plays back in something better than hdr10
@@Cblan1224 absolutely 💯 you made the correct choice there. 👏
What projector can do Dolby vision?
Wow, those prices are crazy. I will stick to the 4k discs and save that money for new TV/projector.
It would be nice to have a plug-n-play BYOS version.
Most important are the Discs. I need to feel and touch a disc. Disc is a nice thing. I hate to download and delete things that you can’t see or touch. So I keep my Oppo 203 !
I have 2 region free oppo 203's myself. Very happy with them. 👍
Pretty cool Shane. I was wondering if you op for the least expensive model can you buy more storage later?
Yes you can.
@@therealshanelee Wow now that is a step in the right direction. I also liked what you said. Movies are less compressed so the quality is better. Impressive
It's funny when price gets involved, hate goes up 1,000%. As someone who's worked with DAW for music production, I can tell you that professional hard drives and interfaces are expensive. My last workstation involved internal storage, working storage, backup storage, and cloud storage. ALL several thousand dollars each but when an artist nails a take, you don't risk losing it cause you cheap out on storage and/or interfaces. If you are thinking this is a replacement for an Apple TV to stream Netflix, it's not. This is designed for purpose-built home theaters who want access to content before anyone else. Exclusivity is expensive otherwise it's not "exclusive". My $.02...
Hey Zach, I see you put the Focal LCR on the wall as you said you were gonna do. Looks good!
with the lack of dolby vision or hdr10, what's the difference in picture quality vs a high end blu ray? I see the bitrate is higher, but lack of HDR, sounds like quite a loss
Kaleidescape is mostly for projectors which don't support hdr10+ or dolby vision. But Kaleidescape does support hdr10.
There are projectors that can do hdr10+ and even dolby vision via a hdfury.
@@bond2k3my JVC NZ8 does HDR10+. For the price Kaleidescape is asking, not having HDR10+ in 2023 is a real marketing slip up.
Picture quality can be slightly better due to higher bitrate. But it's not a day and night. Stick with 4K Blu-ray.
You'll notice it on larger screens with high quality projection or large LED/ MicroLED displays. If you can afford it and value image quality why settle for anything less. If you don't care then stick to streaming or disc.
Saw the new products headline and thought to myself "Sweet! Maybe they decided to appeal to the folks with more sense than money" Nope! No. They are definitely NOT😢
Lmao thats EXACTLY what I thought...
Low and behold, an already crazy expensive device get even MORE expensive.
"Everyone is so excited!".... 🙄
If you had sense you would have had money.
So what is streaming quality gonna get better there's plenty of band with out there. I don't mind download if that's what it takes
Kaleidoscope is a high-end brand, offering high-end products and, as such, not for everyone. Not only the equipment itself but also movies, which are usually priced higher than the physical media equivalent - with better quality, but IMHO only cinephiles will notice the difference. Lower-priced offerings might dilute the exclusive appeal of the brand … so no.
Other brands cater for lower budgets and, sad as it may be, that’s the way the world works
When will they make an affordable option? Faster is irrelevant if the prices stay so high. Plus not fully available in Europe yet.
Never gonna happen.
@ShaneLee #WhatUpDoe!!!
I actually just cancelled my order because it doesn't support DV or hdr10+. Ill wait. Im assuming it will when they release an updated strato
This is a silly product given the price point. Not only that it’s not really better than a 4k blue Ray disc. Bottom line this is product is useless at this price point for 99% of people
U mean 99.9 percent
Very cool product and I know it's a premium product but it's just such a high price of entry. Really wish something was available like this at a 4k Blu-ray price.
They should be making this stuff less proprietary. Like there is no reason i shouldn't be able to make my own storage, use my own pc and they could make an affordable player. Also owning your movies physically lends to removing drm easier
Thanks for the show. Future looks bright.
One thing that wasn’t made clear is that once you purchase a movie you can delete and download as needed for space.
Good video. I had a question that didn’t get answered at the end. Will there be any future of disk to digital for 4K disks? I have a lot of physical media which makes switching to a Kscape hard to swallow and have to repurchase all the movies or have movies on 2 different systems.
That's not happening.
@@therealshanelee interesting. They do it for dvd and Blu-ray now but aren’t going to do 4K. That’s a bummer.
Thought you meant like a movies anywhere type of thing. Yes you can catalog your 4k discs and purchase their version at a discount. He mentions it in the video somewhere.
Currently, you can only use blu ray and dvds for D2D. Not 4K discs
@@thomaslombardi8520 you right. I used the Alto to swap some older discs to 4k.
Still don't understand the pricing model. Either you make money with the movies and licences or with the hardware. But the margin on the hardware is just crazy for that hardware that is installed. As internet lines are getting faster and faster, some local ssd capacity is good enough. Traffic is in most cases no more counted and charged at colocation companies, so delete and download again does not increase any cost for Kaleidescape company. If that hardware would be less than 2k, i think they would gain many more customers than today. Completely wrong pricing model in my opinion.
If the system would be less then $1000 for 16TB system, home theater owners would buy this. But since it isn't they will use alternatives which are far cheaper. Yes, you still need to rip your Blu-rays yourself. But that isn't a big deal anyway.
@@kampfkoloss 1000$ is not doable for a solid system that provides copy protection, produced in low quantites etc. But 2k is really doable and nobody needs 16TB... raid 1 ssd 8TB is less than 500$ and enough with good internet line.
@@patrickmartin4482 How do you know nobody needs 16TB?!
@@joeyyung911 you only need High storage with Bad Connection or offline Mode ... And yes, These can Buy big storage units
Over priced DVR for rich people , John wick 4 is $24.99 ,lol just watched it for free ...they have 23 year old movies for $19.99, lol this is ridiculous, and a hustle at best ..but to each of their own
.
Those prices are ridiculous? How so?
@@therealshanelee how so? the movies listed in price are free or $5.99 . They asking full price for ready one player lol shits even free on you tube
.
@@therealshanelee or do they have a subscription all movies are are free? If that's the case I'm all in
@@LennyDavis-tv7kh is there a subscription where all 4k Blu-rays are free?
@@therealshanelee everything I watch is in 4 k I haven't used a blue ray in years and yes I watcha ton of stuff free
There is a large non projector customer base you are missing with the lack of Dolby Vision / HDR 10+…I would buy this if not for these missing features. Hard to give up the contrast of a 77”/83” OLED for a projector regardless of the additional real estate. Please correct ASAP so I can be your customer.
There are plenty of projectors with impressive contrast. I have 3 oleds and NONE compares to a large screen high quality projected image. 77" and 83" are kiddie sizes.
Why isn’t there an inexpensive UHD-quality streaming service? I don’t want or need a server.
So who benefits from the increase storage? They just want you to buy more stuff to store.
The person who buys the extra storage benefits because they can store more content.
in a high end home that will have multiple tv's, what's the best strategy for getting multi room video? would u have a small number of Strato players, with a video matrix switcher? or would you have a Strato player for each tv, and no video matrix switching?
If people are watching different content you’d need multiple players. One per display.
Thought these were going to be better priced with the announcement. This would be better if you could pull all the videos off the units and store them without drm so that you truly own them but it seems this functions like iTunes movie purchases where it can only be played back by their software.
So if you order one. It will take 4+ weeks for delivery. Guess they have no inventory.
I guess i first have to be able to afford a plane or yacht.
The plane or yacht are for the SSD versions. You can buy the HDD version. No need to save up just use the link and place an order.
Is it possible to have 2 31 tb SSDrives connected to one strato c player?
Yes
Very expensive and I would beg to differ if it is any better then Apple TV. Sound may be a bit better but I would bet a side by side on a smaller TV size no one would be able to tell the difference. This is for a dedicated home theater with a 120 inc screen using a native 4k projector other then that its overkill and absurdly expensive.
Rip off imo just build your own media server and learn to rip your own 4k blu rays will save a fortune
DRM is and never will be a selling point. So no, this doesn't warrant the extreme prices for the system. If the system so secure the entry prices should be drastically reduced and more costumers may jump on board. Also no Dolby Vision is a deal breaker for many. This means there isn't much to shell out that much money compare to 4K Blu-ray.
Didn't say DRM is a selling point. It's an added cost and a major benefit to studios for allowing full file downloads. Nobody has pirates a Kaleidescape file in it's history. Security costs money.
@@therealshanelee True. However the price for that security should be passed on to the studios, not the consumer. As a consumer I don't care if it's secure.
Money to burn, great concept just needs to come down to earth on prices!
I don't think many of the guys that have bought a flagship solid state drive Kaleidescape for their yacht are waiting around for movies to go on sale for a few dollars cheaper 😅
I like the high end product reviews. Keep up the great work Shane!
🍻
Did I miss the paid promotion logo?
That supposed to be clever?
@@therealshanelee no not at all. It just seems like a promotion. The lack of Dolby vision was quickly glossed over as were any other negatives. I used to enjoy your channel when you came across a bit more independent. I know you got bills to pay but I wouldn’t trust a review from you any more.
@@desmonddunne3805 well damn. I need to change everything about me now. You won't trust me anymore. I'm so glad you told me that. Now move along. Go watch someone trustworthy. Your wasting space on my channel.
@@therealshanelee will do. Sorry the truth hurts. Good luck with your new career as a salesman.
@@desmonddunne3805 ciao 😘
This stuff is a great idea but the price is stupid!
What i want is everytging to go digital and you buy a player like this but since competitors will be around prices will drop dramatically. Than you buy digital movies which is the main file uncompressed straight from the distributor eg WB / Disney / Lionsgate ETC.
Basically instead of a 4k player your purchasing a TB storage player and download movies onto once purchased.
Surely if they brought the price down more people would buy them 😭
So qualityit isn't very good on a TV set versus a projector. Well that really sucks
Nobody said it doesn't look good on OLED. What video were you watching?
im glad you changed the title, because this definitely wasnt options for everyone
$40 per movie are you kidding me
Most movies are $9.99 - $24.99. If you paid attention Warner Bros is $40 for their top tier new releases. It drops a couple weeks after. Not sure what you're surprised about. They are more often than not cheaper than physical media.
TBW of ssd versions?
Pricing it's not about what you can afford it's annoying. Someone with a large net worth I no it doesn't like to download this stuff and pay for it like that
Yo!
New storage that's all it is. What about the price of these products, it's movies for expensive. So what do I do about streaming Netflix and everybody else. I watch the stuff more than watch Kaleidoscope. There's nothing special here. Four minutes versus eight minutes to download that's ridiculous who cares about that
When uncompressed RGB 4:4:4 4K video?
In 2035. Perhaps.
Uncompressed 4K UHD (3840×2160 pixels), 24 frames per second, 10 bit per color, RGB 4:4:4, progressive scan.
120 minutes of video need 4.89 Terabytes of disc space.
@@matteoromenghi These movies aren't even shot with 4:4:4 cameras. Almost all sensors use a Bayer pattern so you get 4:2:2 at best. Many film scanners will also only scan at 4:2:2.
The Flash and Indiana Jones movie went on sale because it was just awful lol. Someone had to say it 🤣
I have to wonder what this call was like after the livestream stopped lol.
I don't get why you all are so mad. I agree that most of you are correct in the assessment that a 4K blu-ray will get you most of the way there but you all are acting as if nothing in home theater has been expensive before. Maybe at best Kaleidescape could be a bit more transparent as to why the cost is the way it is. They certainly hinted at their DRM and anti-piracy which supporting and maintaining that to a standard that all major movie studios are content with is probably tons of man hours on the development end.
It's okay for a product not be for you, even if you want it. I would like to see a more affordable option come about but if it doesn't and they really just only want premium customers, that's their MO. It's just crazy to see how badly this went over lol, y'all have Shane fighting for his life in the comments rolling in the mud like all of us looool.
🍻
Too expensive for my blood