This is my first video about gaming audio/IEMs, so let me know what you think of this content and if I made any mistakes. I have 1 more video about USB DAC/Amp devices coming out in a few days, and then Ill take a bit of a break from audio, unless you all really like it 😅
The VR3000 are legit badass for their separation quality. I have never ever heard sound as wide sounding as them on IEMs before. They shine like crazy with games, binaural or vr content or those "8D music " (makes me wonder how can the sound be sounding like coming from all around you!?) and finally movies with 5.1/7.1 content.. Damn, what a unique beast at this price!
Yeah they do very well for that I just wish they were more lively for music and other content. I actually picked up the E3000 by final and they honestly feel a lot like the vr3000 but the better bass response lifts them up. Still have amazing imaging
Tried KZ KS10 Pro($35), Letshuoer S12 Pro($140), Truthear Crinacle X Zero's($50) and the IE 300 by Sennheiser($200). I am keeping the Truthear Crinacle X Zero's. But now you got me thinking about the TRN... ugh but I love that bass. HAHA Love the review thank you!
IEMs are tough cause sound is such a personal thing and also the fit of each one! Ive seen people love the S12 pro and IE300 and others hate em for example. Also from a gaming perspective its hard just cause how each game handles sound design differently . Like Tarkov is all about subtle audio ques in a wide open world, with bursts of different effects. On the other hand Battlefield has 64-128 players, vehicles, artillery etc etc all slamming around you constantly, so displaying the right footstep ques can be harder for some IEMS. Anyway thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it :)
I recently got the zeros. Way better then my $400 gaming headset and the soundstage is insane. But something I wondered is if the cable makes a sound quality difference with cores etc.
i am using a salnote 0 for a while now and they are definitely not better than my 7.1 hyperx cloud edition in terms of echo locating enemies, but i just find it more comfortable to wear and since i am not really sweating in MM, i find them a good addition.
kinda funny how hard is to find reviews for the TRN TA1 Max, I guess people didn't like the TA1 and thought "meh the max version must be a sligthly different of the same" for soundstage and detail how does the TA1 Max compare to the Kiwi Ears Cadenza? I've also seen praise for the Ziigaat Nuo for detail and soundstage (and bass) so it might be a nice contender for your TA1 Max
Hi, just a question if you don't mind me asking, before i pull the trigger on my first iem, when someone is behind you in game can you hear it with detail or do you hear it as if they were infront of you ?? And which one is better at directional cues and pinpointing enemies, trn ta1 max, truthear zero or final audio e3000 ?? I watched the video countless times but i can only buy one and i dont wanna make a mistake, thanks in advance
For me personally I enjoy the e3000 and trn more than the zero for positioning but it's really a personal choice. Some people love the zeros for example
Even in strictly gaming context the VR3000s aren't worth it? I'm looking for IEMs to use with just my steamdeck & switch - won't be watching or doing any other type of content. How does it compare with these in that sense?
Well I think the VRs can be good in gaming sure, they definitely need a bit more juice or volume in general to stand up tho. But I don't find them particularly better than the other 2 options even for gaming. Plus they are a good $30 more. I just wanted to add I'm looking at these from a FPS gamers perspective and getting audio cues like footsteps, etc. So if you play more casual stuff Frankly any of the will be ok
@@danielenriquemarcano9429 ohhhh I'm talking specifically IEMs.... If you want to use it on a controller this won't work since no microphone. I play on PC. If you want a nice headphone solution get the Philip's SPH9500 headphones and buy the v-moda boom microphone, it can attach to it. Super nice combo
I just bought the TA1 off of your recommendation, I also found the vr3000 to sound lame! do you have any equalizer recommendations for the TA1 or is it good as is? (light competitive gaming)
Hey that's great to hear! And no I never equalize any but go for it if you wanna tune them a little. You could go to lighten the bass a snall touch and flatten the highs just a very very little to get them more uniform across various sounds/music
@@UpgradeLemonade Just received and they are great so far! I was I was looking at the truthear originally and was worried about the bass being an issue for soundtracking in competitive games. The TA1 max is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you for the recommendation!
Glad you enjoyed it, still learning more on the space buts it's fun. The sleeve has a few different design options and ya it's comfy(heads up it doesn't have a thumb hole I just cut into it. But you get 2 in the package) Here is the sleeve: amzn.to/3FlqMxU
hi! how good is the passive noise cancellation/noise isolation in the truthear? im looking for an iem that will be good for fps games like valorant and have good noise isolation because i live in a noisy environment. thanks a lot and nice review!
thanks for watching! and ya passive noise isolation is quite good, but if the included tips dont work well you can always get 3rd party ones from Spinfit that may work better to get a strong seal
@@UpgradeLemonade aight i might consider this then. By any chance, have you tried etymotic iems? Specifically the ER2SE or ER2XR? I'm torn between the truthear and the etymotic but I dont know how good the etymotic's are in gaming :( btw thank you and really appreciate your reply!
@@UpgradeLemonade i mean the "final 3000 gaming" - is pretty much a tarkov-must;Was looking for an alternative to the "64audio" earphones(do not want to spend 3000$ for an earmonitor,which i use for pretty much one game only...),well,this baby hit the spot
@@csabapetrovay4919 LOL oops sorry I was clearly brain dead yesterday when I commented, long week 😩 yeah f3k def gets the job done as a gaming specific set but it lacks some life for music and videos
The trn are sold out in my country. I read u also bought the e3000. Would u recommend that over the VR3000. Mainly for comp FPS Gaming? My Logitech G333 died on me i liked them. Thanks
I am doing a new IEM video should come out next week. VR3000 arent bad and same with final e3000 BUT you need to drive a lot of power into them, more than any IEM ive tested at least, so that they sound their best. need a dac/amp combo or something otherwise eh
@@UpgradeLemonade i have a ifi zen air dac but then wont be able to use the mic on the earphones. Just dont wanna be bothered with a mic setup 😅. Last option i looked up with a mic is the kz zs10 pro. Or just might get a jbl quantum 50 🫠
thanks a lot for the prompt response, been pulling my hair out over which one of these to pick. So you're saying if I put enough juice into the VR3000, they'll perform better than the Zero?
Imho good IEMs for gaming are stupidly overpriced. After open back headphones (hd 560s, DT900 prox - yeah yeah Fresh just drag me into audiophile/gaming rabbit hole) and Planars (He400se, edition XS) with all soundstage and imaging I can't look at IEMs as gaming solution or justify price which will be even higher with this kind of technicality. Optimum Tech said the same. Crinacle Zero and Moondrop Chu are banger for the price (own both). Had bad time with HBB Olina becaue I got some issue with channel balance after a few months. So yeah 100$ wasted. Imagined to buy something in 200+ range. IEMs could be fragile at this point.
Yeah I think it'll depend on the price point of each. If you spend $50 on headphones vs $50 for a Crinacle zero you're experience is better with IEMs. But the higher price you go I'd rather go headphones personally. I think IEMs are a BETTER value pick but if you want to spend $200-300+ headphones will perform better. That said some people will find IEMs more comfortable for long gaming sessions
after using my arctis 3s for a whille, my ears start to feel hot like they're not getting enough air because they're in a pretty small enclosed space. is this normal and any suggestions for headphones with some airflow?
Yeah I've had that with other headphones, most of them go for a stronger seal around your ear for noise isolation but it leads to heat build up. You want "open back headphones " like the ones I showed in my video. They breath a bit more since it's physically open on the back side. You'll hear a bit more of your room noise but it's not that bad once you have a game or video playing. Mine are the Phillips sph9500 they also have a newer sph9600. Those are less than $100.
@@ApparentlyPeter make sure you have a dac/amp regardless of which one you pick. So it can drive it nicely and cleanly. Don't rely on your motherboard power. You can get a nice dac/amp for like 60-70 bucks
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This is my first video about gaming audio/IEMs, so let me know what you think of this content and if I made any mistakes. I have 1 more video about USB DAC/Amp devices coming out in a few days, and then Ill take a bit of a break from audio, unless you all really like it 😅
The VR3000 are legit badass for their separation quality. I have never ever heard sound as wide sounding as them on IEMs before. They shine like crazy with games, binaural or vr content or those "8D music " (makes me wonder how can the sound be sounding like coming from all around you!?) and finally movies with 5.1/7.1 content..
Damn, what a unique beast at this price!
Yeah they do very well for that I just wish they were more lively for music and other content. I actually picked up the E3000 by final and they honestly feel a lot like the vr3000 but the better bass response lifts them up. Still have amazing imaging
@@UpgradeLemonadeI guess it's because they have a flat soundstage.
I am confused with vr3000 or Truthear x Crinicle Zero red
Tried KZ KS10 Pro($35), Letshuoer S12 Pro($140), Truthear Crinacle X Zero's($50) and the IE 300 by Sennheiser($200). I am keeping the Truthear Crinacle X Zero's. But now you got me thinking about the TRN... ugh but I love that bass. HAHA Love the review thank you!
IEMs are tough cause sound is such a personal thing and also the fit of each one! Ive seen people love the S12 pro and IE300 and others hate em for example. Also from a gaming perspective its hard just cause how each game handles sound design differently . Like Tarkov is all about subtle audio ques in a wide open world, with bursts of different effects. On the other hand Battlefield has 64-128 players, vehicles, artillery etc etc all slamming around you constantly, so displaying the right footstep ques can be harder for some IEMS. Anyway thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it :)
I recently got the zeros. Way better then my $400 gaming headset and the soundstage is insane. But something I wondered is if the cable makes a sound quality difference with cores etc.
I've heard cables so make a difference, be interesting to see how much tho 🤷🤔
Better to get a Dac/amp.IBasso DC03 PRO, I'd recommend
Amazing review man, great coverage!
yo appreciate the support homie :) glad you enjoyed
i am using a salnote 0 for a while now and they are definitely not better than my 7.1 hyperx cloud edition in terms of echo locating enemies, but i just find it more comfortable to wear and since i am not really sweating in MM, i find them a good addition.
ya hyper x clouds might be one of the few really solid sub $100 sets. definitely interesting to explore audio and see the options out there
@@Divinity_vA exactly my experience too!
@@Divinity_vA which model specifically?
i hated the zeros cable, i had to upgrade its much better now. I mainly wear them for comfort and don't want a dent in my head lol
Anti-dent club 👍 😆 but ya zero cable a little overrated, not my fav
kinda funny how hard is to find reviews for the TRN TA1 Max, I guess people didn't like the TA1 and thought "meh the max version must be a sligthly different of the same"
for soundstage and detail how does the TA1 Max compare to the Kiwi Ears Cadenza? I've also seen praise for the Ziigaat Nuo for detail and soundstage (and bass) so it might be a nice contender for your TA1 Max
Hi, just a question if you don't mind me asking, before i pull the trigger on my first iem, when someone is behind you in game can you hear it with detail or do you hear it as if they were infront of you ?? And which one is better at directional cues and pinpointing enemies, trn ta1 max, truthear zero or final audio e3000 ?? I watched the video countless times but i can only buy one and i dont wanna make a mistake, thanks in advance
For me personally I enjoy the e3000 and trn more than the zero for positioning but it's really a personal choice. Some people love the zeros for example
Even in strictly gaming context the VR3000s aren't worth it? I'm looking for IEMs to use with just my steamdeck & switch - won't be watching or doing any other type of content. How does it compare with these in that sense?
Well I think the VRs can be good in gaming sure, they definitely need a bit more juice or volume in general to stand up tho. But I don't find them particularly better than the other 2 options even for gaming. Plus they are a good $30 more. I just wanted to add I'm looking at these from a FPS gamers perspective and getting audio cues like footsteps, etc. So if you play more casual stuff Frankly any of the will be ok
@@UpgradeLemonade And what do yo recommend for FPS, specifically for Warzone 2.0 Footsteps? :)
@@danielenriquemarcano9429 I still find my TRN TA1 Max the best for fps audio :)
@@UpgradeLemonade And what mic do you use? I would use this on a PS5
@@danielenriquemarcano9429 ohhhh I'm talking specifically IEMs.... If you want to use it on a controller this won't work since no microphone. I play on PC. If you want a nice headphone solution get the Philip's SPH9500 headphones and buy the v-moda boom microphone, it can attach to it. Super nice combo
Hello vr3000 is good on iPad m4 for pubg mobile ? Or which one is best for foot tracker ?
I just bought the TA1 off of your recommendation, I also found the vr3000 to sound lame! do you have any equalizer recommendations for the TA1 or is it good as is? (light competitive gaming)
Hey that's great to hear! And no I never equalize any but go for it if you wanna tune them a little. You could go to lighten the bass a snall touch and flatten the highs just a very very little to get them more uniform across various sounds/music
@@UpgradeLemonade Just received and they are great so far! I was I was looking at the truthear originally and was worried about the bass being an issue for soundtracking in competitive games. The TA1 max is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you for the recommendation!
interesting to see youre take on it. thanks! What kind of sleeve it that, looks cool n comfy
Glad you enjoyed it, still learning more on the space buts it's fun.
The sleeve has a few different design options and ya it's comfy(heads up it doesn't have a thumb hole I just cut into it. But you get 2 in the package)
Here is the sleeve: amzn.to/3FlqMxU
Truthear x Crinacle ZERO (blue) vs vr 3000 for pubg(pc) which should i buy?
hi! how good is the passive noise cancellation/noise isolation in the truthear? im looking for an iem that will be good for fps games like valorant and have good noise isolation because i live in a noisy environment. thanks a lot and nice review!
thanks for watching! and ya passive noise isolation is quite good, but if the included tips dont work well you can always get 3rd party ones from Spinfit that may work better to get a strong seal
@@UpgradeLemonade aight i might consider this then. By any chance, have you tried etymotic iems? Specifically the ER2SE or ER2XR? I'm torn between the truthear and the etymotic but I dont know how good the etymotic's are in gaming :( btw thank you and really appreciate your reply!
@@drew9429 unfortunately I have not tried those but I've heard great things about them. Just unsure for gaming
I have ifi go link & tanchjim space lite dac/amp. Will they go well with final vr3000? please reply 🙏
U want one for Tarkov ?
Get the F3K gaming - it makes a difference
havent heard of the f3k? but I also dont play tarkov xD
@@UpgradeLemonade i mean the "final 3000 gaming" - is pretty much a tarkov-must;Was looking for an alternative to the "64audio" earphones(do not want to spend 3000$ for an earmonitor,which i use for pretty much one game only...),well,this baby hit the spot
@@csabapetrovay4919 LOL oops sorry I was clearly brain dead yesterday when I commented, long week 😩 yeah f3k def gets the job done as a gaming specific set but it lacks some life for music and videos
@@UpgradeLemonade aino' worries,brother-man,i feel ya x
The trn are sold out in my country.
I read u also bought the e3000. Would u recommend that over the VR3000. Mainly for comp FPS Gaming?
My Logitech G333 died on me i liked them. Thanks
I am doing a new IEM video should come out next week. VR3000 arent bad and same with final e3000 BUT you need to drive a lot of power into them, more than any IEM ive tested at least, so that they sound their best. need a dac/amp combo or something otherwise eh
@@UpgradeLemonade i have a ifi zen air dac but then wont be able to use the mic on the earphones. Just dont wanna be bothered with a mic setup 😅.
Last option i looked up with a mic is the kz zs10 pro. Or just might get a jbl quantum 50 🫠
I use a soundblaster g3, and I’m on PC. So keeping in mind that I’m only looking at an iem for FPS games. Should I go for the Zero or VR3000?
I preferred the Zero overall... especially for the price. But with enough juice the VR3000 can work really well for gaming, great imaging and staging.
thanks a lot for the prompt response, been pulling my hair out over which one of these to pick. So you're saying if I put enough juice into the VR3000, they'll perform better than the Zero?
@@karansingh4445 from a pure gaming perspective yes , it's not the most enjoyable daily listener a little bland... but for gaming it's precise
Thanks again for the clarification! God bless and congrats on cracking 1k!
@@karansingh4445 thank you so much 😌🙏
Which will you suggest blon bl 03 or oppo enco m31 neckband or realme buds wireless 2 neckband ?
I'm sorry I haven't tested those :( but I wouldn't do wireless at all for gaming. Focus on wired for best latency
Imho good IEMs for gaming are stupidly overpriced. After open back headphones (hd 560s, DT900 prox - yeah yeah Fresh just drag me into audiophile/gaming rabbit hole) and Planars (He400se, edition XS) with all soundstage and imaging I can't look at IEMs as gaming solution or justify price which will be even higher with this kind of technicality. Optimum Tech said the same.
Crinacle Zero and Moondrop Chu are banger for the price (own both).
Had bad time with HBB Olina becaue I got some issue with channel balance after a few months. So yeah 100$ wasted. Imagined to buy something in 200+ range. IEMs could be fragile at this point.
Yeah I think it'll depend on the price point of each. If you spend $50 on headphones vs $50 for a Crinacle zero you're experience is better with IEMs. But the higher price you go I'd rather go headphones personally. I think IEMs are a BETTER value pick but if you want to spend $200-300+ headphones will perform better. That said some people will find IEMs more comfortable for long gaming sessions
have u tuned ur phillips? and which dac ur usin?
Using the iBasso DC3Pro and how do you mean tuned ?
@@UpgradeLemonade sound wise?
@@impyr3x293 you mean like EQ them? I've only adjusted some parameters on the dac/amp via their app but no EQ
Truthear zero red or Vr3000 for playing pubg
Same
after using my arctis 3s for a whille, my ears start to feel hot like they're not getting enough air because they're in a pretty small enclosed space. is this normal and any suggestions for headphones with some airflow?
Yeah I've had that with other headphones, most of them go for a stronger seal around your ear for noise isolation but it leads to heat build up. You want "open back headphones " like the ones I showed in my video. They breath a bit more since it's physically open on the back side. You'll hear a bit more of your room noise but it's not that bad once you have a game or video playing. Mine are the Phillips sph9500 they also have a newer sph9600. Those are less than $100.
@@UpgradeLemonade yeah the philips do look cool so i'll buy either those or the dt 990s pro
@@ApparentlyPeter dt ones I've heard are fantastic 👌
@@UpgradeLemonade watched like 5 reviews and they all said it's a good headset but i don't know if i should get 80 or 250 ohms
@@ApparentlyPeter make sure you have a dac/amp regardless of which one you pick. So it can drive it nicely and cleanly. Don't rely on your motherboard power. You can get a nice dac/amp for like 60-70 bucks
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