500 HP Camaro vs 225 HP GR86 at Sebring 3.30.23
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- Опубликовано: 26 май 2023
- In this video we run with some higher horsepower cars. How do we stack up?
GR86 Mods
2850lbs
225 hp E85 tune
FA510 Coilovers
CSG pads
Zebulon wing
18x9.5 et38 RPF1s
255/35/18 RE71RS
#gr86 #timeattack #toyota #sebring #csg #zebulon #e85 
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That 86 is a weapon on corners. The lightness allows you to brake very late, and the pointiness allows you to really follow the turn, the balance allows you to keep the momentum for the exit. And at the exit you can get the gas early. It's freaking awesome. That's where all the fun is!
I couldn’t agree with you more! This would be super exciting with some boost on top of that!
@@phelpsgarage4202 looking forward to future content!
I like the voice over format. For a wanabe racer it was more fun and educational.
Thanks for your input!
Voiceover was great as it gave really useful context and info on what was happening plus some tips 👍
Thank you!
some great content right here, loved that shot watching the suspension at work.
Thank you!
Displaying some good etiquette on track there, good to show and for people to see. Having fun and pushing the limit is the name of the game, but safety and clear communication to other drivers must always come first. Great to see the comparison of two very different cars, nice vid 👍
I agree! Thanks for watching!
Good on you for not letting that Mercedes ruin your attitude. Lots of time I see faster cars get too annoyed by slower cars in front. They seem to forget it’s an open track day and everyone shares the track. Great video!
Thank you!
That's so true. A good driver - a trustworthy driver - makes the day safer for everybody by not letting his emotions make his decisions for him. When I'm stuck behind a slower driver for a bit, I use the opportunity to quit relying on my car's power so much, and instead concentrate on my line and technique, minimum braking, etc. It's a fun game to see if I can still keep up only using 2/3 throttle or whatever. Once I adopted this mentality, I never got frustrated by anyone else ever again. Every single lap need not be a time attack.
One Saturday in my Exige, I flat-spotted a cam lobe and broke the follower. Would go into limp mode if I exceeded 4700 rpm. So not wanting my weekend money to be wasted, I stayed the rest of Saturday and all of Sunday...just short shifting at 4500 the entire time. (Red line is 8500). I worked on the details of driving better, and was surprised that by Sunday afternoon, my laps were only 2.5 seconds less that I was used to on a 1.7 mile track. I think I learned more that weekend than any other. When I went back the next month after fixing the engine, I bested my old personal record by 1.5 seconds, just by implementing the smooth, minimalist consistency I had practiced that weekend.
I learned a good lesson. Sometimes forgetting all about trying to go fast...helps you learn to go fast. Forget about how fast you can go RIGHT NOW, and instead focus on some aspect of your skill set. You'll get faster sooner.
@@xtnuser5338 amen on that!! Most people and sometimes I.. we care only about the lap time and not so much the driving skills. I enjoy trying new things and testing out theories with myself and the car. Thanks for the reply!
@@phelpsgarage4202 You're welcome. I really, really like the format of this video. I have always enjoyed taking turns playing lead/follow with track buddies, and then comparing notes after the session. You know, the pros and cons of a slightly different line, a slightly different braking point, etc. The characteristics of one car vs. another car. How a buddy might be a little faster in one segment, but you might be a little faster in a different segment, and why. This video kind of speaks to that mentality. It sparks the memories of my most enjoyable HPDE weekends with friends. I would definitely watch more like this one if you get the chance again.
@@xtnuser5338 based off of the feedback I’m gonna continue to do this! Thanks again for the reply! It’s super hot here in Florida now so the next big track day with friends will be in September.
cool video, GR86 is proving to be a great driving tool. tell your Camaro buddy to keep his hands at 9-3! learning to heel toe would help too
I’ve been trying to get him to do so.
You have more control with the hands placed lower on the wheel if you are using the shuffle technique.
I think he need better tires
@@rodrigovalenzuela8136 a track alignment. He’s on 100 TW tires
@@phelpsgarage4202 Suggestion for Tom: I know it's not easy, especially as a beginner...but try to think about transferring weight around more smoothly. Instead of jerking the wheel at turn-in, try rolling your input in smoothly. I mean, you can't be TOO slow with it, or you won't make the turn at all LOL, but just a tad bit slower than you are doing...less of a sudden jerk on the wheel. And begin your turn-in as you're rolling off the brakes just as smoothly. (This is the beginnings of trail braking, so as you advance you'll get even further into this....)
The idea is to still have some weight thrown forward from braking, and gently shifting that weight to the outside front tire as you're beginning the turn. This can help that outside front tire hang on a little bit better instead of just giving up and instantly under-steering. It will be a minor difference, but you can learn to sort of nurse that turn-in point in such a way as to get less under-steer. This technique will help your turn-in grip both before and after you get a decent track alignment. If your inputs are smooth, you're shifting the weight around at the same time you're asking the tire to do the work, instead of suddenly asking it to do the work before you've loaded it with the weight.
Hope this helps, and hope you enjoy your new hobby as much as I have over the years!
I like the commentary we are living threw you with these videos. I wish we had a track in Hawaii. We only have touge runs 🤙🏽
This was an awesome video!! Never been on the track with a car, but planning to drive on track in the future. Great voice over and the knowledge was appreciated.
Thank you for watching!
First video I've seen of yours. Great video!
Thank you!!!
Good video! As a Californian it's crazy seeing a race track without hills.
We have to go to Road Atlanta for hills
I was glued to this video the entire time. The commentary was helpful as an aspiring racer myself
Hell yeah! Thanks for letting me know!
First time coming across your channel! Loved the format and voiceover man! You got my sub fir sure!
Thank you!
Love this format very informative.
Thanks for watching!
22:15 damn I'm going to be honest here, I'd shit my pants at this point. Pray to the grip Gods I suppose.
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Awesome video.. love seeing the voice-over track day videos
Thanks for watching!
Wow, loved that commentary as he was driving. Made me feel like I was in the car with him, learning how to drive. Awesome!!! Thank you!!!
Thanks for watching!
Love seeing Sebring vids since I lived here for 10+ years im definitely getting into racing next year to run on the home track!! This vid was dope
Do it!!
That's awesome you got outside footage of your car, like your own chase cam
8:05 Love seeing that base model neon from the late 90s. Just brings a chuckle. What a mad lad.
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Awesome video. I live close to the track at Sebring. Keep doing new things.
Thank you! Do you ever track?
*EXCELLENT* and great commentary 👌🏼
Thank you!!!
Just subscribed great video! Great driving skills! I the 2023 gr 86 10th anniversary a few weeks ago after many years of gtis and golf Rs and just love this new 86 ! I can’t even explain how enjoyable it is to drive this car!
Oops forgot the …got … in my sentence lol
Do you plan to track it?
Does it feel underpowered to you? I've been trying to find one to rent on Turo, but I none are available in my area. It's also hard to find one that isn't marked up thousands over MSRP by dealers. I really want to know how this car drives. At this point, I don't think I'll be able to find one before the 2024 models start coming out.
@@joslinnick at some point you get complacent with the car and always want more power. It’s not a very fun exciting streetcar due to the lack of power but on track it is a blast to drive!
You should drive an S2000
Nice vid, my first time coming across your vids. I too have a 'momentum car' and that's why I love Sears Point most amongst our California tracks...seems it rewards experience/balance over sheer Powah, moreso than other places. I can keep up w/ big-HP cars, if their drivers aren't quite at my driving level.
It’s fun being the underdog and keeping up with the big boys
looks fun!
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Great content man, very interesting commentary too.
Thank you!!
It’s all about the driver style confidence and tires setup on the chassis.
Yep! Tires are the most important part of the car
Nice driving! That track is superbumpy!
Thanks!!
Still early in its development; the 86 is a great platform. It’s always vital to determine your own analysis vs the public opinions… every car has its caveats depending on its purpose. Working with what you have and building your balance will promote a fulfilled experience. #keepthe86
🙏🏻🤞🏻let’s hope the oil results come back good!!
Voice over is awesome man I def prefer it to the talking to the camera setup before you start racing :)
Thank you!
Thanks for the vid! Enjoy the track tips and info as I've never tracked my car before. Trying to get some basic driving info and have never used video games. Maybe some basic, intermediate and pro vids with different levels of tips and analysts.
Best way is to get out there and start.. you’ll get better with time.. usually. Sign up and get a instructor and just start learning the basics.
22:45 I appreciate the camera angle 🔥
Thank you!
First time watching but i like the format
Thank you!
Your hands are good. Tom’s are all over the place. Number one point of instruction is thumbs always in the wheel at the bolsters. Even in tight corners. Good video and commentary.
Thank you! We’re working on his hands
Thanks for preaching the importance of safety and reminding people that HDPE is for fun and not racing. Too many times I see people overdriving and not being respectful.
Yes! Safety is number one over lap times!
This style was super informative. Keep it up. I also have a black gr86. Looking forward to tracking it. Trying to find great tires for under 200$ that i can also daily. any suggestions?
For the stock size... probably the fire hawk Indy 500 or Toyo proxes sports.
Just don't get semi slicks for a daily as their sidewalls are stiff AF and take longer to heat up compared to regular tyres.
Be wary of any downpours especially if your region gets more rain than usual, not a fun experience.
really love CSG pads ❤
We are going to see how long they last and see if the juice is worth the squeeze.. so far they are good, but is it worth the extra cost?
23:00 that cam is sick, thanks!
Thank you!
Very nice!
Thank you!
Great footage. +1
Thank you
my man really duked it with his father in law haha. thats great
Oh yeah, with love
Awesome video and commentary. Looks like a TON of fun, especially you have friends on track to! When are you swapping in an LS3 to that GR86? :)
What would be gangster! I would probably boost it first
Pretty good stuff.
Thank you!
Would be of some interest to see a Gen-6 Camaro Turbo-4 _ 1LE on track with the 86.
I’m down!!
Love the fact that you are rolling with the big dogs and not making excuses, the car is very capable 👏🏽
Thank you!!
love the comment for laps
Thank you!
how has the car handled track use? Also new to the channel so I haven't seen the other content. Love the video. Cant wait to go out and try this with mine.
I have hours of it on track with no issues.. knock on wood
There are RUclips about them oil starving in continuous right higher speed turns with the new engine. They're working on a baffle for the pan.
@@eleventy-seven that’s what we’re waiting on
@@eleventy-seven I made a video on it.
Camaro short shifting. Both of you did great
Thank you!
Looks like the camero just needs some camber because turn in looks fine. It’s the mid turn where the tire is possible going positive camber causing the understeer.
Yes, I 100% agree with you. We’re looking to put a set of two-way coilovers on it and then dial in the camber. Maybe even add a splitter.
@@phelpsgarage4202 i have similar problem in a e46 225 front 255 rear, i was driving giving a hard turn in, but undesteer a lot, i chek alignement 18inch wheel 1.5mm toe in each and i put 2.5mm toe in each, i didnt went to track but understeer was reduced, in my case i cant give camber.
12:00 u shouldnt do that,
So many beat me to that comment but 9 and 3!!!! Also hes very snappy with the turn in. Smooth is fast but great video
I agree! Thank you!!
@phelpsgarage4202 also I wanted to ask. I have the trd gt86 and I wanted to ask what's your opinion on the gr86? And if you've driven both cars, is it a night and day difference or is it something that can be resolved with a few bolt ons. I plan on fixing the torque dip but other than that is it really worth trading in if I already have the trd package
@@jimmythompson9958 hard question to answer because I’ve never driven the first gen car. I hear good things with a header and E85. Right now this car has a problem with oil starvation on track. I would wait until it gets solved before buying.
hey, what kind of gauge / gauge pod do u use? looks great!
AEM gauge and import image racing gauge pod
sure are moving that wheel fast... maybe breaking grip on the fronts with such quick inputs?
Yeah, it’s possible to overwhelm the tires with fast inputs
Lovely video. I wanted to ask you if you recommend the Perrin Rear sway bars(25mm). Do you have front sway bar as well? and lastly, did the rear sway bar eliminated the body roll? I would like to try a bigger rear sway bar to see if I can tame the rear a little. I feel that the car is too much of tail happy.
No I don’t recommend the 25mm rear bar… especially if you feel it’s too tail happy.. The 16/18mm I had good results with. I do have the karcepts front bar.
@@phelpsgarage4202 Thanks..So you don't recommend it but you have it on yours? is that because you are running the FA510? My stock GR86 just wants to lose the back no matter on what mode you drive. I just want it to be more planted. Should I just start with some 200 TW tires and see?
@@rs3tuber425 it’s what I have at the moment. I was thinking maybe a stiffer bar would help but the car rotates way to easily.. Just trying new things to see if they improve anything and I’m not a fan.. tires are the BEST bang for the buck!!!!!
@@phelpsgarage4202 Yep, that would be my next move. I just did the Castrol SRF and the Hawk DTC-60.
By the way, I removed my comments on the C6 Z06 topic, a lot of people get hurt when you tell them the true and they engage, it doesn't bother me but I just removed the comments that way I absolutely don't waste my time trying to explain things that I personally experienced 15 years ago.
NICE 86
Thank you!
So this is how my FRS would perform on a track
Bring it out to Sebring and find out!
I felt like Tom drove better by feel, rather than following someones line.
Looks like it.
i'd probably run a bit deep into the corners if my engine sounded like that too lol
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I must say “one” of the best part was the s2k match up.
Pretty close with the 2 cars
I think I like the commentary
Yo this dude looks like the "deputy" from the first scream #gottem
Thanks 😂
I need a camaro z 28 in 2024🎉
I’ll take a 2015 Z28
that camaro sounds awesome
It sounds like the Fourth of July…. Freedom!
@@phelpsgarage4202 yeah!!! Happy 4th of July dude hope the year is kind to you
@@joefries7046 thank you! Happy 4th!
hi there , how much oil pressure do you get on the track ? and weight of oil ? thanks !
60 psi at 230 degrees with 5w30
That was me in the Mercedes. Sorry that I held you up!
Really?!? No worries! There’s always next time
Great driving. Not a fan of the sound. The rasp could be cut with an extra resonator that would really clean up the sound on the 86
Thanks! Yeah, I agree.. went a bit overboard, trying to keep the weight down..
Best handling cars i've had were a 6mt G35 coupe, a 2017 Sti and now a 6mt 2019 Camaro SS 1LE. The camaro blows every car I've ever had out of the water. An absolute track monster. I find it funny when I out-handle japanese or german cars who assume I can't corner. They get pretty mad lmao.
Sounds like you can drive. Any car could handle pretty well the with a good alignment and suspension setup. Sometimes it’s hard with cars that weigh more than others but it is possible with sticky tires.
Real MF Ghost ❤
Nice Camero
Is your GR suffering from oil pressure drops on right turns?? If you were how did you fix it? Else your car is the chosen one 😂😂 Nice video btw hoping to see more
Yes, I’ve made videos on this on my RUclips.
@@phelpsgarage4202 ok thanks for that. I will check it out
Driver mod for the Camaro will solve the majority of the understeer problem you mentioned. Also, the driver needs to learn how to use proper hand placement. I see a wreck in his future if keeps that up.
13:52 need to rev match and downshift to gain more traction from engine braking instead of just hitting the brakes with the clutch in
100 %
A GR86 is my 4th dream car 🔥
It’s fun on track that’s for sure 😂
What year is that Camaro? My 2011 was a boat when it was stock, the 6th gens are worlds better in terms of handing and precision.
I believe it’s a 2011
How many miles does your 86 have? What kind of motor oil do you use how often do you change its engine oil
5k on it now. Motul 300v 5w30 or Amsoil. Probably every 3 track events.
can you imagine just adding a little more hp to the gr86
Yeah I can and do lol
the 86 with a wing looks noice
Thanks! Splitter is next!
@@phelpsgarage4202 what wing is that?
@@x450riderx Zebulon
Great video . That boxer 4 sounds great when it's working hard!
Thanks! I agree ☝🏻
Was that white camaro a turbo 4cyl?
No
I appreciate the commenting
Thanks for letting me know!
Nice driving on your part. The Camaro drives relatively well for a noob when no one in front of him. But put a rabbit to chase in front and he red mists and falls apart. I make students like these pull into pit lane, tell them to drop the ego off, reset and carry on. Before they hurt themselves or someone else...
Nicely said!!
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I love Camaros but man can you ever see them struggle with the weight compared to an 86 which is like a ninja in the corners. Camaro sounds good though.
Yeah, we’re gonna start working on the Camaro and do a alignment for the track.
I feel like a lot of that understeer in the Camaro is just from poor technique. ik your buddy is new but the hand shuffling is killing me lol
I know I tell him all the time about hand placement.. and we’re still waiting for coilovers to do an alignment
Agreed! He is stabbing into the corners for a way too early apex and he's pushing because of too much input and too much gas. He wants the car to turn with just steering and that's his hill to climb. He needs to get that fat and heavy rear end to rotate.
@@TheDirtCreature once we do coilover we’ll adjust the suspension and sway bars to get it to rotate properly.
Do you give mustache rides?
Only if you’re faster 😉
Best advice: come out to the wall, don’t be scared of it.
It took time but I slowly started getting comfortable with it
I wonder how the 86 will do with a supercharger
I would love another 100 hp, it would be a hard car to beat
@@phelpsgarage4202 yea, it would be a monster
what exhaust is that?
JDL UEL header with 3inch over/front pipe combo with HKS exhaust.
@@phelpsgarage4202 thanks
Hey Camaro, You can't change your hand position while driving on track
He needs too
Lmao the haircut and the pornstach is lit
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Toyota fucked up by not putting a straight 6 in this
Or the 2.0 turbo
and askt for $10k more MSRP? That's the Supra that you need.
Any issues with the engine yet?
Not that I know of.. waiting on my oil analysis
@@phelpsgarage4202 Not the RTV issue but the recently discovered insufficient oiling issue due to low oil pressure on right hand corners.
@@Chickentenddies nope! But the oil analysis will show if I have a bunch of material that will show wear and tear of the bearings
@@phelpsgarage4202 Can't wait to see the results. Will there be a video on it?
@@Chickentenddies good or bad yes we will do a video
Camaro needs alignment and camber
Yeah it’s all coming soon.
Tom needs some instruction and needs to back it down and get comfortable. He's clearly driving fully red misted.
Working on that
Turn 17….lol even in forza I have no clue where the line should be 🤣.
You can talk to anyone and they will tell you a different line to take lol
@@phelpsgarage4202 but would one line be better than another like for different cars? Lol
@@vash241987 I alway say the fastest way around a race track is driving at the limit on the fastest line 🤷🏻♂️
The Camaro driver has very odd steering control. Like shuffling as opposed to hands on the wheel just turning
I agree.. I’m trying to get him to work on that.
Why would you pass the instructor instead of ghosting him? Especially when he has the same car? Tom should get an instructor in his car asap. Autocross is slower and safer for new drivers, and it teaches you much quicker. PITL
Do you have a real DAQ? It will tell you where you're gaining/losing time for various tweaks, and not just an overall time.
The garmin has parts where you can review to see if you going faster or slower. Kinda like the AIM solo
Ballsy racing that car with the known turning right oiling issue
Yeah I’m taking it easy knowing what we now know. But I do have a baffle plate and oil cooler with using thicker oil.
@@phelpsgarage4202 sounds good. I really like the car. Might be the next one I buy.
@@-16-wrx- it’s fun on track!
In the first 10 seconds I could not take this guy serious with the haircut and the mustache 😂. Not sure if he was trying for that look as a joke or...
😂 😂 😂 my wife says the same thing
It’s always so hilarious when people throw their hands up and get upset about something that doesn’t even involve them. Mind your own business and let the track officials reprimand them. All you’re doing by reacting like that is looking for engagement. Save your tantrums for home.
At the end of the day, the Camaro is a way funner car to drive on the street. The end. Not even debatable...
I agree with that!
This may be true but the gr86 is a much more iconic car not debatable
Camaro has the low down torque for easy daily but enjoyable? Idk about that. It’s a boat compare to the gr86 2600lbs.
@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks I take it you’re a experienced driver too.. I’m thinking of doing a C6Z for my next track car
@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks yeah, so I’ll do heads, cam, and intake. I wouldn’t mind a grand sport either.