MGS2: A Modern Nightmare [METAL GEAR SOLID 2 RETROSPECTIVE]

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  • Опубликовано: 25 окт 2024

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  • @JamesLehartProductions
    @JamesLehartProductions 4 года назад +250

    You know you've created a masterpiece of a game when almost 20 years later people are still trying to dissect the story apart

    • @ArtofLunatik
      @ArtofLunatik 4 года назад +6

      James Lehart Productions the kubrick of videogames

    • @JamesLehartProductions
      @JamesLehartProductions 4 года назад +13

      @@ArtofLunatik it's crazy how 20 years ago 8 year old me thought wow this is a good game, then 5 years later wow this is a good story too, then 15 years later, wait this story has so much depth to it, every little detail has some more overt reason to it. Every sentence, every action, every music cue, every item in the game. Literally everything has some sort of wider meaning to it. It's crazy beyond belief how insanely deep this game is!! If this was a movie it would be studied by every film theory class. Books would he written about it.

    • @jonathansandoval374
      @jonathansandoval374 4 года назад +5

      When i would tell people that this is my favorite mgs they would always complain that Raiden was such a pussy it ruined the game for them. That was when i was like 15 yo. Good to know that Kojima and his team really made something for the ages.

    • @jbmrni4846
      @jbmrni4846 4 года назад +3

      Im forever thankful to Kojima for making this amazing game, and to Futurasound for, even 20 years later disscussing about the MGS Storyline, both Legends!

    • @JamesLehartProductions
      @JamesLehartProductions 4 года назад +7

      After completing film school and understanding film theory. Semiotics, auteur theory, marxism, cognitive, screen theory, etc. It gives this piece of an art a whole new meaning and appreciation. It is truly a masterpiece that I believe everyone, not just game fans, but even film writers should look at and study this game. It is a true masterpiece, unfortunately, I feel we will never get a chance to see a game with this much depth ever again. The attention span of gamers these days just does not warrant a game of this depth and creativity.

  • @damepolk5214
    @damepolk5214 4 года назад +129

    It's amazing and scary how the entire MGS lore is relevant today.🤔

    • @jajabinx35
      @jajabinx35 4 года назад +15

      And that in MGS 4, Snake carries mutated nanomachines which can infect mankind and kill everyone...although it didn't happen, but it made me think of Covid.

    • @NichtNameee
      @NichtNameee 4 года назад +8

      @@jajabinx35 🙄

    • @TehUltimateSnake
      @TehUltimateSnake 4 года назад +11

      @@jajabinx35 We've always had viruses before COVID 19. Some even more deadly.

    • @randomgod6371
      @randomgod6371 4 года назад +5

      @@TehUltimateSnake but this is the first one created and spread it with evilness

    • @lewisparry4992
      @lewisparry4992 4 года назад +5

      @@jajabinx35 i'm not taking bill gates's nanomachines

  • @CozyButcher
    @CozyButcher 4 года назад +76

    Bless the RUclips algorithm that send me here.

  • @ElricSowrd
    @ElricSowrd 4 года назад +14

    39:27- In Japanese, he simply said "Who are you?" Similar to Snake from MGS1. The Dub just decided to make the dialogue into "Identify yourself."

  • @Glo8091
    @Glo8091 4 года назад +62

    These videos are amazing. Can’t get enough MGS2 ever

  • @randomgod6371
    @randomgod6371 4 года назад +24

    12:40 same happen in mgs 3 when snake sleeps in jail and Dreams some kind of castlevania game, anyone remember that?

  • @jiggycalzone8585
    @jiggycalzone8585 4 года назад +5

    That wiggling higher pitch sound embedded into the soundtrack is such a genius detail on the composers part. It doesnt start until you hit the shell and it follows you around the facility, even in boss battles, eventually moving into the main part of the audio track when you get into arsenal gear.
    Only when you're under the control of the A.I. and it slips in and out of the music until its part of the narrative where it becomes the one of the main instruments. To me that sound IS the AI. Following you around, staying in the shadows, and laughing at you the whole time

  • @bucedriclansmaneddie
    @bucedriclansmaneddie 4 года назад +22

    I'm not one to watch retrospects or analysis of games often, but you do it in a way that feels unique and creative. It's almost like you've been inspired by the very ilk Kojima possessed that lead to the creation of Metal Gear. Phenomenal work.

  • @sunjoexys7251
    @sunjoexys7251 4 года назад +15

    This video gave me the impression that Kojima has been to the future and back.

  • @MatthewLee90
    @MatthewLee90 4 года назад +12

    Thank you. I love this sort of content, dissecting what each game is actually hiding beneath its story.
    I fell in love with the MGS series since the PS1 original came out. My dad bought it, but didn't play it as much, i chanced upon it and i immediately fell in love with its story and gameplay. Bear in mind, i was 10 when i first played it 2000, so i got scared with certain segments of it.
    MGS also got me into reading as i got hooked with its story, i actually had to read encyclopedias and books about war and history of war, politics, humanity's role in war, and psychological aspects to it. It made me into that kid with weird reading lists but i paid no mind. I saved my allowance to buy MGS2 and PS2 when it came out and boy was it a treat.
    Now, almost 30, i still am learning more things about this game. Thank you..

  • @MarlonAnthony
    @MarlonAnthony 4 года назад +21

    Another analytical masterpiece Jorin. Sometimes gamers feel as though they should sit back and simply enjoy the show and move on but you're doing a service in reminding us that that we truly can pay for more than just the on the nose entertainment, That we've also purchased deep philosophical and symbolic works of expression. Some games you truly have to revisit with an older and more mature mind. I played this game dozens of times as a child but not until replaying as an adult does the themes begin to become relevant and apparent. Good work. About to replay Metal Gear Solid 3 soon so i look forward to your electronic accompaniment.

  • @Mental_Health_Matters
    @Mental_Health_Matters 4 года назад +11

    Maybe there's a reason why there aren't many video essays on MGS3... MGS2 is my favourite of the series and I've loved it since I was a kid. Great stuff!

    • @santiagocabrera
      @santiagocabrera Год назад

      Mgs3 is a Straight to the point story; mgs 2 on the other hand is a Prediction of the Near future and how the technology is used to censor information and shape the counciousness of human kind

  • @TehUltimateSnake
    @TehUltimateSnake 4 года назад +9

    So glad people are still making videos on this game.

  • @Shnap1337
    @Shnap1337 4 года назад +20

    Hey man, I just recently discovered you through your MGS4 retrospective. I love how deep you've dove in your research and correlations between reality and virtual, and funnily enough, made that virtual world feel all the more real. This is such a great retrospective, usually people cover the social and media contexts of MGS2 and tend to skip over or do a shallow cover of the militaristic and political parallels but you've covered info I never even really thought of. Contextualizing the simulation as a nightmare, or somewhere between reality and unreality is something that other video essayists have tackled but I really dig your interpretations. Seriously, I feel like I can fall in love with series over and over again, and MGS2 in particular has such a special place in my heart as an adult. Anyway, enough pretentious rambling on my end. Keep up the great work, hope to see more from you.

  • @NichtNameee
    @NichtNameee 4 года назад +6

    Good work and you deserve more views. I played that Game at least 10 times when I was a kid but never understood the full backgroud of it. MGS and MGS2 were way ahead of their time.

  • @Jerrycourtney
    @Jerrycourtney 4 года назад +5

    Every single video you make is incredible and is a delight to watch. I’ve always seen these games passed their surfaces, but I am in no way sophisticated enough to express my thoughts in such an intellectual and easily digestible manner.
    You are without a doubt my favorite content creator on the internet.
    _...in any case,_ a would greatly desire to see a same style essay on _The Matrix_ films, or at the very least, a MGS2/5 introspective on the relationships of these characters and their realities. It wouldn’t be difficult to draw some connections of these two postmodern, reality lacking, memetic masterpieces.
    Hopefully you’ll see these comments one day.
    Singed by,
    _One of your fans…_

    • @chrysm6842
      @chrysm6842 Год назад

      The Matrix Explained is a good YTB video channel on the Matrix, btw.

  • @jordanw.97
    @jordanw.97 3 года назад +3

    I read that this game was card themed. To paraphrase them, they said Solidus is the King, Fortune was the Queen, Raiden = Jack. Snake or Vamp is the wild card, depending on how you look at it. Or was Farman the Joker and Snake the Ace, or something like that.

  • @KnutKniffte
    @KnutKniffte 4 года назад +3

    It's fucking dope how deep you go with your videos.
    You showed a MGS veteran a lot of new stuff. 👍
    Never be game over.

  • @Marshy50
    @Marshy50 4 года назад +3

    I feel like the abiguity nightmare was taken to the max in MGSVGZ and TPP. I'm glad they showed the abiguity nightmare so real into the story and gameplay and ratio tape all blending together is as scary as slient hill. You have to piece the whole games story together in the same way in MGSV as slient hill. No wonder Kojima would have been perfect for silent hill. :'/

  • @PosthumanHeresy
    @PosthumanHeresy 3 года назад +1

    45:00 And a vast improvement over the _real_ nuclear football, which for a long time had a passcode of all zeroes.

  • @TTV_TOMTISM
    @TTV_TOMTISM 4 года назад +24

    I LOVE YOUR CONTENT

  • @nemui88
    @nemui88 4 года назад +5

    I always look forward to these, great work as always :)

  • @DannyMexen9
    @DannyMexen9 4 года назад +5

    Gonna watch the last two videos back to back

  • @waddledee1000
    @waddledee1000 4 года назад +3

    Watching the analysis for these games make me realize how scary MGS2 is. I know the MGS games get memed to death but jeez, sitting down and actually thinking about it is a psychological nightmare haha

  • @harrisonmckinney7659
    @harrisonmckinney7659 4 года назад +4

    So glad I found all these videos!

  • @RealWolfgangTV
    @RealWolfgangTV 4 года назад +1

    Loving your video essays so far, its gonna take me a little time to get through all of em though. But I'm on a mission, determined to get through them all! Thank you for your excellent production and the time it must have taken to put these together :)

  • @CimoX9
    @CimoX9 4 года назад +7

    i love the organization of your videos

  • @TomcatJones
    @TomcatJones 4 года назад +5

    you know - id love to hear your input on this one...
    i was thinking about it earlier during video when considering symmetry and mimicry in symbols and having multiple meanings
    but then you bring up an interesting point at 47:20 that helps my thought
    Fortune wears her coat with her arms not in the sleeves. -making it look like she has 4 arms
    much like solidus snake has two arms coming off him as well.
    she is called "queen" - he is refered to as "king" -could these be Chess references?
    as they are the major players in the incident. while the rest are pawns.
    fortune is very hard to touch while solidus must have others provide a barrier to protect him

    • @FuturasoundProductions
      @FuturasoundProductions  4 года назад +2

      A solid observation, especially in light of the whole conversation Raiden and the President have about Solidus saying 'pawns can never become players'

    • @TomcatJones
      @TomcatJones 4 года назад +2

      @@FuturasoundProductions
      ""I thought it was that Solidus was King, Fortune was Queen, Raiden was Jack (His name), and Snake was an Ace (Ace-in-the-hole).
      Not to mention SEAL Team 10 being the expendable "spot" cards.""
      founds this on a forum from 2006 - imdb in the facts page for mgs2 also mentions playing cards.
      never thought of that either

  • @Shokisan1
    @Shokisan1 7 месяцев назад

    Legendary S tier video essays on this channel. Thank you for all these metal gear solid deep dives.

  • @MidoriN0Taiyo
    @MidoriN0Taiyo 4 года назад +2

    45:49
    Metal Gear Solid 3 said it best,...
    Eva: Half of what I've been told was a complete and utter lie, the other half, a carefully constructed lie.
    Snake: Then where's the truth?
    Eva: It's Hidden in the lies.

  • @inconnu1790
    @inconnu1790 4 года назад +5

    death stranding is the sequel, 2 fucking masterpieces ahead of their time, need to pass over 10 years to understand the whole sens. We can call it, genius.

  • @victorsilva-rz9sw
    @victorsilva-rz9sw 3 года назад +1

    Finally, i finish for the first time this game and i think its one of the best of all mgs games i played so far

  • @grayfox4288
    @grayfox4288 4 года назад +2

    as a psychology student and huge mgs fan i really love your take on the mgs series, keep up the good work, you’re pretty good👉👉
    edit: also like the philosophical stuff you bring up.

  • @TheCerealQuiler
    @TheCerealQuiler 4 года назад +2

    Those videos bring more questions to the table than answers.

  • @shophet125
    @shophet125 4 года назад +3

    39:07 Psycho Pass and Sibyl System

  • @SoFarSoGoodSoWhat14
    @SoFarSoGoodSoWhat14 4 года назад +1

    MGS 2 might not be the most fun to play or the most technically perfect, but I think it's still the best use of the video game medium in order to get an idea across, and as Kojima intended, something that can truly only work as a video game, and no other medium. The other MGS games do the same to lesser degrees, but MGS 2 is just a master work

  • @SnapThority
    @SnapThority 4 года назад +3

    Hope you get more views and subs man! Wish you all the best!
    I make sure to post a positive comment on as many videos of yours as I can so you can find the motivation to keep doing what you are doing, and not disappear as many youtubers have :D

  • @johnnyscifi
    @johnnyscifi 4 года назад +1

    Vamps secret doesnt fully come to light until mgs4...nanomachines, son!!

  • @2hurt2healmedia
    @2hurt2healmedia 4 года назад +1

    Another great day in class. Time to study my notes.

  • @AlucardNiceToMeetYou
    @AlucardNiceToMeetYou 4 года назад +4

    Your work is amazing !

  • @aisakataiga5200
    @aisakataiga5200 4 года назад

    These keep getting better and better!

  • @KGODSMACKC
    @KGODSMACKC 4 года назад +7

    Getting some Meta Gear Solid vibes..
    Thank you..

  • @Comkill117
    @Comkill117 3 года назад +1

    If the first part of the Plant is a nightmare, then the second half and Arsenal are a night terror.

  • @brosghost
    @brosghost 4 года назад +1

    Your videos deserve thousands of views

  • @BiohazardFE
    @BiohazardFE 3 года назад

    Brilliant work my brother

  • @WolfHreda
    @WolfHreda 4 года назад

    Yet another instance of my new favorite word: Panopticon.

  • @mattb154
    @mattb154 4 года назад +1

    I love this series of essays, and I'm glad that you can use RUclips monetisation system to be remunerated for your work. However, would it be possible to change the timing of ad rolls so they don't interrupt you mid-sentence?

  • @tschau92
    @tschau92 4 года назад +4

    Another one 😍 thank you

  • @joonassavolainen9195
    @joonassavolainen9195 3 года назад +1

    Absolutely love your content!

  • @luth7050
    @luth7050 4 года назад +1

    enjoyning the channel thanks

  • @MXOY99
    @MXOY99 4 года назад +1

    Ahhh, atleast I don't feel foolish about Pliskin situation as a kid haha!

  • @theonlybilge
    @theonlybilge Год назад

    42:18 and also hardening in response to physical trauma.

  • @MGSVxBreakpoint
    @MGSVxBreakpoint 4 года назад

    I think someone is still trapped in the simulation. Videos 1 & 2 pretty much hit the nail on the head.
    But hey, if you don‘t want to hear that... La-li-lu-le-lo.

  • @JamesCarmichael
    @JamesCarmichael 3 года назад

    I wonder who planted all those bombs. I mean not to sound bad here, but I can't picture Fatman climbing a ladder in the women's toilets. Maybe Olga put them there for him or some of the Soldiers. Or Fortune since she wanted to die anyway - but once again failing due to Raiden, Sn..Pliskin and Pete.

  • @abdelali9279
    @abdelali9279 4 года назад

    14:53 another phantom, in this case, the ghost of the money people spent buying Rogue Warrior.

  • @JamesCarmichael
    @JamesCarmichael 3 года назад

    31:46 Hang on that doesn't make sense. I know the Terrorists don't care about the Big Shell since it's just a mask for Arsenal Gear, but wouldn't they be thanking Raiden at this point in the story since Raiden isn't aware of that yet? For all we know that this point Fatman is one of the Terrorists, but we suspect he has other plans. I might be misremembering the order of these events, but it seems odd they'd be retaliating for dismantling bombs to that would sink them all. Raiden is doing it to save the sea from being contaminated so that makes sense, but Dead Cell's actions don't make sense to me at least at this point in the story.

  • @Moshe54
    @Moshe54 4 года назад +3

    The RUclips algorithim, truly is a curse and a blessing.

  • @masterzombie161
    @masterzombie161 3 года назад

    It’s horrifying that even the villains were just subjects to the times. No one is safe no matter how powerful, or an AI. One day the times corrode all.

  • @octocommander
    @octocommander 4 года назад +2

    13:18 nice

  • @sebboss3277
    @sebboss3277 4 года назад

    i played this game as a 12 yr old and was disappointed i wasn't snake, im 32 and still playing mgsv.
    the lore is nothing other than genius. im still tryin o comprehend and decide what is true and what is a lie.
    the more i know the less know. imagine if hideo made a mg for ps5. honestly i expect him too. Need him too.

  • @ludicrousfunone5705
    @ludicrousfunone5705 3 года назад +1

    Probably already been said: but S3 is literally all three Snakes who are present in the big sheel during that incident in one form or another!!!

  • @foxhoundbridges4851
    @foxhoundbridges4851 4 года назад +3

    Question? With all your mgs2 videos would it be best to watch all them in order, or are they stand alone?

    • @FuturasoundProductions
      @FuturasoundProductions  4 года назад +5

      I tried to make them watchable either way. You'll get more out of it by watching them in order but it isn't necessary to do so

    • @foxhoundbridges4851
      @foxhoundbridges4851 4 года назад

      @@FuturasoundProductions ok thanks for the fast response.

  • @o-REDBEARD-o
    @o-REDBEARD-o 4 года назад

    Greatest delayed gratification in gaming history.

  • @jhonnymark7581
    @jhonnymark7581 4 года назад +3

    10:52 Me when my mom types "p" on my computer.

  • @PhilosophersLegacy83
    @PhilosophersLegacy83 4 года назад

    Mind blowing!!

  • @lee.burnett
    @lee.burnett 2 года назад

    Now I'm waiting on the amazing mashup analysis of MGS2 + Dick Marcinko's Rogue Warrior video game. (Note: please do not play Rogue Warrior.)

  • @serenadeX31
    @serenadeX31 4 года назад

    Futura dear God please source the vamp theme played at 6:45!!!!!!

  • @tomhoward4905
    @tomhoward4905 4 года назад +4

    I think it’s important to note that the moment you’re listening to Ocelot and Solidus, you can ignore it all and listen to Jonny having a difficult time. Not *just* toilet humour but a lot more to it. Everything around you is a load of sh*t...

  • @randomgod6371
    @randomgod6371 4 года назад

    Perhaps you can deal with the secret ending of Rdr2...

  • @edwardwaite8005
    @edwardwaite8005 3 года назад

    Did Campbell correct himself in the codec? Because I don’t think nobody peep u don’t hear the original colonial from mgs1 say “when we need to reach you” play it back u gonna peep it

  • @jonathansandoval374
    @jonathansandoval374 4 года назад

    Whats the song that plays at the end??

    • @jtinkerton2547
      @jtinkerton2547 4 года назад

      It's Snake's VR sneaking theme, but I can't seem to find the exact variant used here. Must've been ripped directly from the game (there's a lot of tracks and variants there that you won't find on RUclips).

    • @jonathansandoval374
      @jonathansandoval374 4 года назад

      @@jtinkerton2547 i found it! Its titled as Rush! Thanks! Solid piece of music also found a few other good songs from the game that were never released.

  • @deerasmus3870
    @deerasmus3870 2 года назад

    Anyone ever think Kojima might be part of the Illuminati???!!

  • @ogGILMOURRR
    @ogGILMOURRR 4 года назад

    Seeing that this was my first video I’ve seen from you... the intro was a little long. I was just about to exit out but it finally got going. Solid vid my g but just maybe shorten those intro’s a little bit and you’re good!

  • @chrysm6842
    @chrysm6842 Год назад

    I'd very much like to know why you think Raiden is a narcissist.

  • @Mr.Kingen
    @Mr.Kingen Месяц назад

    7:31 that didn’t age well, the Z sign 😬

  • @Brokensnowball
    @Brokensnowball 4 года назад

    "powerless in the face of memes"

  • @arbiter-
    @arbiter- 4 года назад +1

    A DUD

  • @JohnSmith-ir5yu
    @JohnSmith-ir5yu 4 года назад

    love this shit

  • @LionofDawn
    @LionofDawn 4 года назад +1

    41:57 that's not how the codec works. You can clearly see in scenes in MGS4 that they aren't directly communicating from their thoughts.
    How can you make a 52 minute video and get that wrong?

    • @807D14M0ND5
      @807D14M0ND5 4 года назад +2

      Having only played MGS2 thus far it wasn't clear to me how the codec works exactly. However I do remember the game mentioning something about bones WRT the codec calls.
      I thought this was referring to bone conduction headsets. It allows for audio that nobody else can hear but it is definitely still audio, not transmission of thoughts.
      Then again..they do use codec calls when standing standing next to each other to avoid being heard by others..

    • @aisakataiga5200
      @aisakataiga5200 4 года назад +1

      I'm sure there is a correct answer to whether or not it's their thoughts. I don't think it is, but there are several scenes that seem to imply it is silent like thoughts. Idk. I do know however that it's totally unnecessary to say what you said. I doubt you could make a video of this quality. We're only human and mistakes happen. Hell, someone may have told him it was their thoughts and so he thought it was right, which if anything plays into the misinformation theme even stronger. Furthermore, what does the length have to do with anything? Your logic is flawed, as if you believe a longer video should be more correct. If anything more content increases the odds of having a mistake. A totally forgivable mistake that's easy to make, and also does not affect the video's theme/message at all. So.... Who cares?

  • @Jaybird196
    @Jaybird196 4 года назад

    Dude, tone down the commercials!

  • @randomgod6371
    @randomgod6371 4 года назад

    I still cant get why kojima strap to much content OF MGS5, that game feels so empty in story.

  • @acosma7730
    @acosma7730 4 года назад

    How to "Win" the MGS series? Think for yourself. Use your head. Be you.
    Meaning: Skip the cutscenes ( hell skip the whole story next time you play.) See what pops out.

  • @alexlokanin3312
    @alexlokanin3312 4 года назад

    This game would have been great if not for the controls. Don't @ me, i've completed it

    • @mansreallysaid
      @mansreallysaid 4 года назад +1

      what do you guys dislike about the controls specifically, for me they worked just fine except for the sniper section

    • @alexlokanin3312
      @alexlokanin3312 4 года назад

      @@mansreallysaid the controls are absolutely unlike anything a sane person would develop, you have to have like 3 hands to play mgs 2 and 3

    • @807D14M0ND5
      @807D14M0ND5 4 года назад

      @@mansreallysaid Only thing I really stumbled with was when sticking to a wall and the camera changed, I wouldn't know which way to tilt the stick to move left/right along that wall.
      The sniper section was pretty easy with the pills to stabilize your aim.

  • @Plebs_
    @Plebs_ Год назад

    Amazing work again.