For those of you who haven't picked up a bible in a minute, the irony to "St. Peter knowing what sex is" is that dude is literally mentioned in the gospels to have a mother in law and therefore at some point a wife. St. Peter is technically the only pope who was /supposed/ to know what sex was.
It’s truly incredible the number of people who think Christians are anti-sex lol Maybe some Protestants are, but as anyone who knows a large Catholic family can attest, us Catholics are **extremely** pro-sex 🤣 The only requirement is that you be married and only have sex with your wife, which really isn’t that big of an ask.
@@JonCrs10 The tenth century was so wild for the Church that it legit took a 180 turn in the eleventh. The corruption of the tenth century happened because the Papacy was controlled by the italian nobles and german emperors, so to avoid this happening again the Popes in the following centuries tried to gain control over them instead.
@@Valery0p5don't just assume it's a typo and try to correct them. Did you consider the possibility that they're from one of the European countries that uses an "s" instead of a "z" in some words?
@@IamEscBoy Well they're publicly subscribed to this channel and have commented 19 times now so I'd say they're likely here to watch a video that popped up in their feed, possibly by a creator they like. I'm not sure if your question was a joke about the title of the video or if you're familiar with their work and this is like seeing a teacher out grocery shopping, but I think I've covered my bases decently.
@@תומרלייזגולד Absolutely love Six, though it's actually just referencing a really well-known phrase here in the UK for what happened to each of Henry VIII's wives! Kind of thing you'd learn in school as a kid. I think the creators said a big motivation behind the musical was pointing out how bad it is that so many people only talk about these women with one word each for how badly their respective marriages ended.
Corpse Court ABSOLUTELY needs to become an OSP series, like Pope Fights. There are plenty of instances of it in European history, and I'm sure there was a hefty dose of meme-able shenanigans involved
As a prominent example, Henry VIII exhumed and put St. Thomas Beckett on trial (who had been dead for around 350 years) for the sins of the Catholic church and "crimes against royal authority", then ordered his bones burned and scattered as a result
I had to read this title twice, certain Blue had committed the fatal error of an online typo. To my delight, no. This is intentional and historically legit. I fucking love this channel. 😂❤
::nods:: I was doing laundry while listening, misheard the era in question as “1896 to 1964”, and dropped everything to double-check. Because calling an era “The P^rnocracy” would not be unreasonable for historians/journalists writing just after Nixon’s resignation.
I saw the title, took it as blind faith that Blue had, in fact, spelled it correctly and said 'Boy, I can't wait to see how this one shakes out. I'm absolutely certain there were shenanigans involved.' Lo and behold: Shenanigans. Reality is stranger than fiction, and I always assume that the most insane interpretation is the right one. That way, I'm either pleasantly surprised to be wrong or grimly satisfied to be right.
"So if the Pornocracy as described wasn't even that bad, and likely didn't even happen, why did any of this stick?" Because the word "Pornocracy" such a beautiful use of language that it could never once leave the minds of any who heard it.
I like how you are telling this story. It’s easy but lazy to just rely on the spiciest chronicles of the period but putting it in context and into the broader historical picture makes the whole episode make a lot more sense.
1:10 As someone who speaks German. "Hurenregiment" made me cackle lmao. That's quite the classy translation you chose there, Blue😂 Note for the curious: a more literal translation would be "rule of whores"
1:36 Didn’t at least one source claim that an earthquake struck somewhere around the vatican and caused critical damage in the immediate aftermath of the Cadaver Synod, and that’s partly why the Roman civilians freaked out and murked the pope?
You cannot imagine how fast I clicked when I saw that: 0: It was a Overlysarcasticproductions video. 1: It was a new video. 2: It was a pope fights video. 3: It was a video about the P*rnocracy. 4: It was a new bloody Pope Fights Episode about the Pornocracy!!!! LET'S BLEEDIN GOOOO LADS, LASSES AND LASSOSKIES!!!!
You really should watch Blue. Even if history isn't a main interest of yours, his way of describing the schenenigans that go on in history is really worth watching. =)
@@derpyduck5207 a bunch of them literally started as fishermen team just WORKING TOGETHER, but no, we have to slash that too. I blame Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal.
@@derpyduck5207 what was that C.S Lewis quote ... "Those who cannot conceive Friendship as a substantive love but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact that they have never had a Friend." ... feels fitting in this case.
None of us were. _Sonic '06_ was mostly the sin detected at the end given that St. Peter should already know what sex is due to supposedly having a wife.
I love that the history of the papacy is so filled with intrigue, violence and apparently the secks, that we've got a whole series of Pope Fight Videos. Bring on more Pope Fights
1:03 i like how Blue put it in the title of the video that it's the actual name, but also specified it in the video itself, because it's really worth mentioning that it's really called that.
@@JeiJozefu Goku definitely knew what sex was. Why do you think he offered the Elder Kai dirty magazines and groping Bulma and Videl in exchange for unlocking Gohan's potential? St. Peter also knows what sex was because he literally wrote about adultery in his section of the Bible. Also, he was married
“What will St. Peter do when he finds out what sex is because of this” is already one of the funniest lines in OSP history, and then the madman puts the Sonic 06 kiss in the background. Incredible
5:52 Theodora being "full of virtue" is not exactly a strong rebuttal against allegations of being with a Pope... Popes are very virtuous, right? Perhaps even endowed for virtue? ;)
“Virtus”, from which we get the English word “virtue”, meant (among other, mostly related things) “manliness” in the classical Latin, could be associated with virility, as evidenced by the similar spelling. So your comment is closer to literal than you might think
I loved the way this video dove into analyzing sources, identifying bias in your original sources, and placing events in the larger narrative. So much more what history is about than the "memorize these dates and write them down again" that we so often get in school.
The thing with this particular time period is that the Catholic Church didn’t strictly ordain unmarried men and keep them celibate until the 11th century. So popes having mistresses was not surprising. Perhaps even expected. And even then it wasn’t canon until the 20th century.
The whole of the Pornocracy and the Papal power disputes was just the Papal States effectively "speed running" the previous Roman model of governance, from Kingship, to "Senates", to Federalism to Imperialism in a live, open play of the costs, benefits and troubles of each in about a couple centuries time. Honestly, gotta give the Papacy credit where due; they took the Roman spirit of "Hold the fuck on, I think I just about got these controls figured out!"
Sam O'nella described the fight between Stephen and Formosus as Stephen "had some major beef with Formosus, or as they call it, papal bull" I don't know why I find that so funny
I think we all aught to congratulate and commemorate Blue, for so kindly giving up his monetisation to teach us about this topic ❤️ thank you so much for your sacrifice!
Unironically love it when history turns out to be a bit more boring than we thought. Usually because there's also a bit of more excitement around the history tellers. Also, all knowledge is always good, and it being more boring significantly raises the odds of it being true.
"Oh, okay, this name propably doesn't mean what I think it means, propably just a case of unfortunate homonym - no, okay, scratch that, that's exactly what it means"
I thought it was going to be about the Borgios for a second. Also, we *FINALLY* talk about the post-mortem trial of a Pope, something I genuinely am surprised wasn’t talked about till now.
I love how any video talk about a specific part of the history of the papacy always ends up spilling over into a whole half a millennium worth of history because that’s just how absurdly tangled up that timeline
Thanks, Blue... all the various chicaneries and power games that went on in the Medieval and Renaissance Papacy/ies make my head spin. I'm glad you're making videos to help us get the basics straightened out. Secular authorities has... kind of always been a thing, until the Papacy ceased to have any geopolitical power. Which is why, Blue - I know you think it's stupid, but please - we need a video about the Guelphs and Ghibellines!
Oh good GODS. WOW. This was an absolute *roller coaster* of a prequel. :o I cracked up and then stared in shock at least 4 separate times in this video. 0_0 Quality educational entertainment like this is why y'all have been my favourite youtube channel for like 6 straight years.
"The head honcho of Christianity for most of its 2000 year history...." Uhh, no. The Council of Chalcedon (451) made the patriarch of Constantinople equal in preeminence to the patriarch of Rome, making them effectively co-head honchos. When Emperor Romulus Augustulus was deposed by Odoacer in 476, marking the end of the Western Roman Empire, the patriarch of Constantinople became the de facto sole head honcho because Constantinople was the only remaining seat of the Roman Empire. Ever since, Eastern Orthodoxy has not seen the Pope as their leader: this was a key factor in the Great Schism of 1054. The Assyrian Church (which rejected the Council of Ephesus in 431) and the Oriental Orthodox Church (which rejected the council of Chalcedon) never recognized the authority of the patriarch of Rome. At best, the Pope could be called the head honcho of western European Christianity for most of its existence.
This is an interesting perspective on the medieval papacy i haven't heard before. Granted I know practically nothing about it, but it really helps to understand just how medieval history transitioned us between the time of Rome and the Renaissance. I've long heard the medieval period was not a "dark age" but a progression of the classical period with a comparable amount of innovations to the empires before it and the enlightened states after it, and I hope yall go into more of what exactly happened in this period to provide context to the dark ages narrative.
The mediaeval period was not a dark age. The immediate fall of the western Empire was not a dark age. The Arab conquest era and then the failure of the Carolingians to unite the west, on the other hand, should count (and the Vikings didn't help).
The concept of celibacy in the priesthood and therefore the Papacy, is something that came about in the late middle ages, and never really adhered to much even today. The high level church men, Popes, etc bred like, well, like Catholics.
Ohhhhh so this is basically what would have happened to Justinian’s reign if Procopius’ Secret History became the main primary source for the Byzantine empire during that time
Really appreciate this. I dug into the "Pornocracy" before and was also frustrated by how unreliable our most prominent source was. Thank you for cutting through the noise and getting to the facts, as best as we can figure.
For those of you who haven't picked up a bible in a minute, the irony to "St. Peter knowing what sex is" is that dude is literally mentioned in the gospels to have a mother in law and therefore at some point a wife. St. Peter is technically the only pope who was /supposed/ to know what sex was.
It’s truly incredible the number of people who think Christians are anti-sex lol
Maybe some Protestants are, but as anyone who knows a large Catholic family can attest, us Catholics are **extremely** pro-sex 🤣
The only requirement is that you be married and only have sex with your wife, which really isn’t that big of an ask.
NGL as someone who was raised Muslim, this just sounds like celibacy was unneeded in the Catholic Church's clergy
@@AngryHomunculus Celibacy in Christendom is just a fancy word for "altar boys can't get mad when they catch you cheating on them!"
I caught it. And found it hilarious. 😂
@@HenryGray-sy4pu it was also not implemented until the 11 century
I saw “porn” and “pope fight” and knew I had to watch this ASAP
And surprisingly its NOT about the Borgias! ...yet
@@JonCrs10 NGL, that was my thought on seeing the title.
The greatest Assassin's Creed 2 meme.
Same
@@JonCrs10 The tenth century was so wild for the Church that it legit took a 180 turn in the eleventh. The corruption of the tenth century happened because the Papacy was controlled by the italian nobles and german emperors, so to avoid this happening again the Popes in the following centuries tried to gain control over them instead.
Pope Fights: demonetisation edition
*demonization
@@Valery0p5don't just assume it's a typo and try to correct them. Did you consider the possibility that they're from one of the European countries that uses an "s" instead of a "z" in some words?
At least it isn't a COPPA sue or strike!
@@darkmatterbuildrplays it's a joke, my friend. That's not a correction of demonetization, it's demon-ization. Because catholic church, and demons.
The crazy thing is the Pornocracy video is the Pope Fights video least worthy of demonitization...
Greatest title in osp history
Extra funny considering they're both ace
Agree😂
@@appleseed2976Ace people always pull the funniest sex jokes
@@appleseed2976 Really? I have heard Red mentioning it a few times but never Blue.
Coomer discord rule
Pornocracy, when history accidentally clickbates itself hundreds of years before the internet.
why are you here?
@@IamEscBoy Well they're publicly subscribed to this channel and have commented 19 times now so I'd say they're likely here to watch a video that popped up in their feed, possibly by a creator they like.
I'm not sure if your question was a joke about the title of the video or if you're familiar with their work and this is like seeing a teacher out grocery shopping, but I think I've covered my bases decently.
@@amazingkool teacher out grocery shopping
side note: how do you know how many times he commented? is there a tool for that or is it anecdotal?
@@IamEscBoy If you are using the mobile app, you can tap on their profile pic and it will bring up some information about that account.
Also he was on the Percy Jackson special episode of the OSPodcast so I’m guessing they’re probably irl friends.
"Verily, by God, thine hips speaketh no falsehoods, for they moveth as the pages of holy scripture."
Verily, by God, thine hips speak no falsities, for they move as the pages of holy scripture.
Verily, by God, thy hips utter no falsehoods, for they move as the pages of holy scripture. (Lil' grammar fix, plus the change from speak to utter.)
Hahaha Great work homie 😂
Technically this would be "thy hips" as 'thine' only comes before vowels
Oh also -eth is only for singular verbs, so it's just "speak" and "move"
what would the papacy equivalent of LORELORELOREI be tho
1:42 Deposed, Imprisoned, Strangled, Divorced, Beheaded, Survived
mad respect for the Six reference
Some might say I ruined their lives...
What is this, _Return of the Obra-Dinn?_
@@תומרלייזגולד Absolutely love Six, though it's actually just referencing a really well-known phrase here in the UK for what happened to each of Henry VIII's wives! Kind of thing you'd learn in school as a kid. I think the creators said a big motivation behind the musical was pointing out how bad it is that so many people only talk about these women with one word each for how badly their respective marriages ended.
Corpse Court ABSOLUTELY needs to become an OSP series, like Pope Fights. There are plenty of instances of it in European history, and I'm sure there was a hefty dose of meme-able shenanigans involved
Agreed. Corpse Court needs to happen.
If there actually are then hell yeah, I wanna hear about them
Yes, for some reason throughout the middle ages multiple rulers convinced themselves this was a good idea.
As a prominent example, Henry VIII exhumed and put St. Thomas Beckett on trial (who had been dead for around 350 years) for the sins of the Catholic church and "crimes against royal authority", then ordered his bones burned and scattered as a result
Ace Attorney: Weekend At Bernie's
I had to read this title twice, certain Blue had committed the fatal error of an online typo.
To my delight, no. This is intentional and historically legit.
I fucking love this channel. 😂❤
::nods:: I was doing laundry while listening, misheard the era in question as “1896 to 1964”, and dropped everything to double-check. Because calling an era “The P^rnocracy” would not be unreasonable for historians/journalists writing just after Nixon’s resignation.
I saw the title, took it as blind faith that Blue had, in fact, spelled it correctly and said 'Boy, I can't wait to see how this one shakes out. I'm absolutely certain there were shenanigans involved.'
Lo and behold: Shenanigans. Reality is stranger than fiction, and I always assume that the most insane interpretation is the right one. That way, I'm either pleasantly surprised to be wrong or grimly satisfied to be right.
"So if the Pornocracy as described wasn't even that bad, and likely didn't even happen, why did any of this stick?" Because the word "Pornocracy" such a beautiful use of language that it could never once leave the minds of any who heard it.
Conclusion: One salty boi spiced up a transitional phase which had too many chefs in the kitchen, causing a few authority figures to get cooked.
To be fair, if I were in his shoes, I'd probably be a bit pissy too.
This is why you don't get a chef with a grudge, he's going to go overboard with red pepper and make everyone hate that dish. XD
You're on fire with this one
Spicy meatball? More like spicy EVERYTHING
Nobody expects the Pornocracy Inquisition!
*SLOW CLAP*
Our chief weapon is surprise, and an almost fanatical loyalty to smut!
@@ShanRenxin *Surprise and fear, and an almost fanatical loyalty to smut.
@blarg2429
Don't forget really sexy costumes
@@ShanRenxin Oh no! Not the **gasp!** Surprise Sex!
Honestly, this whole story about the Theophylacti Dynasty is giving me some serious writing inspiration
Ya it’s honestly really interesting just some random noble family able to change things so much do to location
It's practically allergenic; it will send you into theophylactic shock
@@justmerc1642 Gotta get my epopen
Same
I like how you are telling this story. It’s easy but lazy to just rely on the spiciest chronicles of the period but putting it in context and into the broader historical picture makes the whole episode make a lot more sense.
.............. "Oh, an OSP video" ...... 'Spits Out Tea' "A WHAT-ocracy!?
“Oh that must be a word with some archaic meaning it’s lost over time, and we only know it for its *ahem* bastardized lewd meaning. …Right?”
@@chrayez 😂
@@chrayez And it turns out, nope it means what you think it meant. "Ruling of Prostitutes / Harlots"
"the... po...mo...cracy??"
_sees thumbnail_
"Oh it's an R."
...
*_"OH IT'S AN R"_*
1:10 As someone who speaks German. "Hurenregiment" made me cackle lmao. That's quite the classy translation you chose there, Blue😂
Note for the curious: a more literal translation would be "rule of whores"
Ah, the whoreocracy
@@thehauntedhat5519 YES!
@@thehauntedhat5519 Succubi Society
Huren honestly also sounds like the way we say "whore" in Brabants Dutch Accent lol 😅
@@Panzerless_SG HOERUHHHHHHHHHH
This started with more necromancy than the title implied.
Funf, this was not the last time somebody gave a trial to a dead Pope to overturn their decisions.
6:31 On that note, Slutriarchy is my new band name.
Wouldn't it just be Slutarchy? Where's the RI come from?
@@Brasswatchman Rhode Island ;p
I will be buying tickets.
I eagerly await that tour.
1:33
“So you thought you could get away with that little ‘dying’ stunt of yours”
“yes. pasta fazool, I am a fool”
Sam o nella reference?
Sam o nella reference letss gooooooooooooooo
1:36 Didn’t at least one source claim that an earthquake struck somewhere around the vatican and caused critical damage in the immediate aftermath of the Cadaver Synod, and that’s partly why the Roman civilians freaked out and murked the pope?
That would make sense, sure sounds like God telling you to cut it out.
Yeah, that'd probably do it.
Sounds about right. God wasn't having any of that whole "one pope desecrated the tomb of another in SUPER unchristian fashion" nonsense.
@@kingofhearts3185 yep, God wasn't gonna abide that mess
You cannot imagine how fast I clicked when I saw that:
0: It was a Overlysarcasticproductions video.
1: It was a new video.
2: It was a pope fights video.
3: It was a video about the P*rnocracy.
4: It was a new bloody Pope Fights Episode about the Pornocracy!!!!
LET'S BLEEDIN GOOOO LADS, LASSES AND LASSOSKIES!!!!
Usually I only watch Red and her trope talks, but you’ve finally won me over with this title blue 😂😂🎉🎉
You really should watch Blue. Even if history isn't a main interest of yours, his way of describing the schenenigans that go on in history is really worth watching. =)
trope talks and pope talks
Love Red but you got to check out Blue as well, they are both great❤
You gotta at least watch the rest of the Pope Fights series, it’s arguably my favorite of his works 😂
You are missing a lot
4:08 Wait, you had me reeling at third marriage, you tact at laying out the details in a shock fashion is huge points
Finally, we've gone from doing history to _doing_ history
[ba dum tss]
So the FGO effect
10:45 *shrugs* sometimes you just need a good bad example.
My pearls are officially Unclutched, my Evening Ruined, and Disappointment Immeasurable. Good on you Blue, great vid:)
Blue we love you, keep these titles coming please
I need more laughs like this
The wildest one was when a pope put in trial the CORPSE of the previous one😂😂😂😂😂
These Popes are such goofy goobers
Didn't Sam o nella make a video about it? 😂
Honestly not the weirdest juridical shit pulled by Christians.
@@ppsaha1994
Yes,
Pasta fazool i am a fool
Goofy and silly times when beheading practices and sword clashes were still a thing it was
**Gasp** A new Pope Fight video?! :o Oh my, what a wonderful October surprise! I thought you were out of those!
POPE FIIIIIIIIGHT (air horns)
No, I'm pretty sure blue could make a lot more of these. There's a lot of chaos to unpack here😂
Every time I think Pope Fights can't get any weirder...
@@CalliopePony It's even worse when the dots start to connect. That Benedict IX cameo/callback shook me
3:03 This is hilarious because Peter was the only disciple explicitly stated to have been married.
Yet like 11 other dudes, he hung around Jesus a LOT. No way they were just good friends lol.
@@comettamerThis tells me that you've never had a close platonic relationship with someone of your own sex, which makes me sad.
@@derpyduck5207 a bunch of them literally started as fishermen team just WORKING TOGETHER, but no, we have to slash that too. I blame Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal.
@@derpyduck5207 what was that C.S Lewis quote ... "Those who cannot conceive Friendship as a substantive love but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact that they have never had a Friend." ... feels fitting in this case.
Really glad to see you revisiting these holy shenanigans :)
I really thought that "full of virtue" was a pun.
Until blue denied it
That’s what I call my browser history
Byzantine bureaucracy has nothing on your search records
😨😱💀
Ahriman noooo you were the chosen one to save the Thousand Sons from the corrupting influence of Slaanesh
3:08 Sir....I was not prepared.
None of us were. _Sonic '06_ was mostly the sin detected at the end given that St. Peter should already know what sex is due to supposedly having a wife.
"Influential women controlled rome and may have had s*x with the Pope"
Me: Waow (based based based based based)
Nooooo.... manipulating people with sex is bad😭
@@dnm3732only when men do it apparently
@@Theproclaimed nah, just when it's not funny
@@eshelsh1905 it was for the bit
I am not sure popes molesting underage girls in addition to usual choir boys falls under any definition of "based".
I love that the history of the papacy is so filled with intrigue, violence and apparently the secks, that we've got a whole series of Pope Fight Videos. Bring on more Pope Fights
Αnd they make fun of Byzantium.
Compared to these Italians and french Germans the byzantines had less intrigue.
1:03 i like how Blue put it in the title of the video that it's the actual name, but also specified it in the video itself, because it's really worth mentioning that it's really called that.
Pope Fight is unironically the best segment Blue does on the entire channel.
The architecture stuff is the only thing that comes even close.
DOOOOOOMMMMEEEE
3:28 "Okay but if Lust is bad then why did God make it so fun?"
That's what I've been saying for years.
Look at you, figuring out temptation 🤣
No other title will out WTF me from this channel
Boy I love when real history is on the same level as a game of crusader kings 3
This can actually happen in CK2, by the way
Funny thing is, Peter was married at one point, so he probably knew what sex was.
I'm going to start calling him "Catholic Son Goku"
@@JeiJozefu
Goku definitely knew what sex was. Why do you think he offered the Elder Kai dirty magazines and groping Bulma and Videl in exchange for unlocking Gohan's potential?
St. Peter also knows what sex was because he literally wrote about adultery in his section of the Bible. Also, he was married
@@Member0403
You're saying they both discussed adultery in a religious context
They have so much in common
Was definitely not expecting that title. And I do appreciate the effort to put things in context.
Thanks For the clarification blue. Makes it all the more hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣
By God! It's Benedict the Ninth with the steel chair!
I LOVE how you drew Liutprand. I imagine this was his face when he was walking through Constantinople.
6:30 'church shattering harlotry' is a crazy phrase.
You had me at Pope Fight.
“What will St. Peter do when he finds out what sex is because of this” is already one of the funniest lines in OSP history, and then the madman puts the Sonic 06 kiss in the background. Incredible
the first blue video i've watched on this channel and i do not regret it
5:52 Theodora being "full of virtue" is not exactly a strong rebuttal against allegations of being with a Pope... Popes are very virtuous, right? Perhaps even endowed for virtue? ;)
“Virtus”, from which we get the English word “virtue”, meant (among other, mostly related things) “manliness” in the classical Latin, could be associated with virility, as evidenced by the similar spelling.
So your comment is closer to literal than you might think
I love the clarification that *yes, it is* called that, before the video even starts lol
Always fun to see these videos as soon as they drop
I loved the way this video dove into analyzing sources, identifying bias in your original sources, and placing events in the larger narrative. So much more what history is about than the "memorize these dates and write them down again" that we so often get in school.
The thing with this particular time period is that the Catholic Church didn’t strictly ordain unmarried men and keep them celibate until the 11th century. So popes having mistresses was not surprising. Perhaps even expected. And even then it wasn’t canon until the 20th century.
one occasionally does hear of a priest or even a bishop with a "housekeeper". of 25 years. with her residence in the priest's house.
Imagine screwing your sleep pattern so much that you catch OSP right when they upload cuz you haven't slept yet
Eh, I get them at 5pm. Screwing up THAT much would be an achievement even by MY standards
It’s 2:15 AM where I am. I hear ya
Aussie Aussie Aussie ?
@@thelizardwizard1113 OI OI OI
@@PhryneMnesarete must be eastern states, I'm WA and it's 12:30
Wasn't Liutprand the dude that got ghosted by Nicephorus and got but hurt so bad he started calling him every swear word he knew?
Did anyone else think Blue meant some guy panicking as he looks at a large cloud thinking a giant iceberg was hovering in the sky?
What?
You know there's a saying
Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it
let these Pope fights be a good lesson
The whole of the Pornocracy and the Papal power disputes was just the Papal States effectively "speed running" the previous Roman model of governance, from Kingship, to "Senates", to Federalism to Imperialism in a live, open play of the costs, benefits and troubles of each in about a couple centuries time. Honestly, gotta give the Papacy credit where due; they took the Roman spirit of "Hold the fuck on, I think I just about got these controls figured out!"
Love the idea of focus grouping what slander to call this era. XD
Stephen VI: "So you thought you could get away from the law with that little dying stunt of yours?"
Honestly, Pornocracy sounded like a Slaanesh-tier clergydom.
2:30 dont worry, little blurb, it matters to me too
Sam O'nella described the fight between Stephen and Formosus as Stephen "had some major beef with Formosus, or as they call it, papal bull"
I don't know why I find that so funny
Every pope fight video should have that Rick and Morty clip of Rick yelling "Poooooope"
0:27 i see we are starting off classy XD
5:28 I resent that! Slander is spoken. In print it's libel.
I was not expecting this on my 2024 bingo card
I think we all aught to congratulate and commemorate Blue, for so kindly giving up his monetisation to teach us about this topic ❤️ thank you so much for your sacrifice!
I love this series so much!
Most Bizzare Title in OSP goes to...
I have been waiting for this OSP for a while.
"...figuring out who ON EARTH is in charge here" Lmao, I love puns
Unironically love it when history turns out to be a bit more boring than we thought. Usually because there's also a bit of more excitement around the history tellers. Also, all knowledge is always good, and it being more boring significantly raises the odds of it being true.
5:50 Sergius III: "Hi, I'm Virtue."
"Oh, okay, this name propably doesn't mean what I think it means, propably just a case of unfortunate homonym - no, okay, scratch that, that's exactly what it means"
I thought it was going to be about the Borgios for a second.
Also, we *FINALLY* talk about the post-mortem trial of a Pope, something I genuinely am surprised wasn’t talked about till now.
I thought it would involve the Medici as well
I love how any video talk about a specific part of the history of the papacy always ends up spilling over into a whole half a millennium worth of history because that’s just how absurdly tangled up that timeline
Thank you Blue for enlightning me to a new word in my own language, I will now add Hurenregiment (modernised as hoerenregiment) to my vocabulary.
Thanks, Blue... all the various chicaneries and power games that went on in the Medieval and Renaissance Papacy/ies make my head spin. I'm glad you're making videos to help us get the basics straightened out.
Secular authorities has... kind of always been a thing, until the Papacy ceased to have any geopolitical power. Which is why, Blue - I know you think it's stupid, but please - we need a video about the Guelphs and Ghibellines!
The callback was amazing, really coming full circle here😂
Oh good GODS. WOW. This was an absolute *roller coaster* of a prequel. :o I cracked up and then stared in shock at least 4 separate times in this video. 0_0
Quality educational entertainment like this is why y'all have been my favourite youtube channel for like 6 straight years.
"The head honcho of Christianity for most of its 2000 year history...." Uhh, no. The Council of Chalcedon (451) made the patriarch of Constantinople equal in preeminence to the patriarch of Rome, making them effectively co-head honchos. When Emperor Romulus Augustulus was deposed by Odoacer in 476, marking the end of the Western Roman Empire, the patriarch of Constantinople became the de facto sole head honcho because Constantinople was the only remaining seat of the Roman Empire. Ever since, Eastern Orthodoxy has not seen the Pope as their leader: this was a key factor in the Great Schism of 1054. The Assyrian Church (which rejected the Council of Ephesus in 431) and the Oriental Orthodox Church (which rejected the council of Chalcedon) never recognized the authority of the patriarch of Rome. At best, the Pope could be called the head honcho of western European Christianity for most of its existence.
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Stephan: “Do you admit that everything you have done as pope is dumb and stupid and wrong and dumb?”
Formosus: “Yes. Pasta fazool I am a fool.”
Please consider doing a video on the mythology, superstitions and stereotypes of redheads and red hair❤
I think that’s more of Red’s domain but sounds interesting so I’m down.
I giggled every time you said the title
Historical evidence of ‘God forbid a woman do anything’ /J
Pope: No, but I'm in charge.
Emperor: No, but I'm in charge.
Repeat for 3 centuries.
4:42 yeah, ngl, with a title like "The Pornocracy," I naturally assumed this was going to be about Alexander VI. I feel let down.
The funny thing is that Peter was married before he ever met Jesus. He absolutely knew what sex was.
Man i didn't know i needed to learn this for curiosity
This is an interesting perspective on the medieval papacy i haven't heard before. Granted I know practically nothing about it, but it really helps to understand just how medieval history transitioned us between the time of Rome and the Renaissance. I've long heard the medieval period was not a "dark age" but a progression of the classical period with a comparable amount of innovations to the empires before it and the enlightened states after it, and I hope yall go into more of what exactly happened in this period to provide context to the dark ages narrative.
The mediaeval period was not a dark age. The immediate fall of the western Empire was not a dark age.
The Arab conquest era and then the failure of the Carolingians to unite the west, on the other hand, should count (and the Vikings didn't help).
Ooh, stealing the name Theophylact for a lich in my dnd campaign.
Also, friendo, the algorithm gonna HATE this’un
The concept of celibacy in the priesthood and therefore the Papacy, is something that came about in the late middle ages, and never really adhered to much even today.
The high level church men, Popes, etc bred like, well, like Catholics.
I hope you do the Cadaver Synod in more detail soon, because it's hilarious!
synoda horrenda indeed
Blue: "Who really is in charge here?"
My dumbass brain: "Power resides where men believe it resides."
Ohhhhh so this is basically what would have happened to Justinian’s reign if Procopius’ Secret History became the main primary source for the Byzantine empire during that time
Really appreciate this. I dug into the "Pornocracy" before and was also frustrated by how unreliable our most prominent source was. Thank you for cutting through the noise and getting to the facts, as best as we can figure.