The video was very satisfying ... at first ... and then I was in a sad place, I know those feels, so let me make you feel better. It took me 6 year to build a car once, I sold it for $45,000 then that person resold it for $80,000 and the next person resold it for $160,000 ... feel better yet? Haha
That's why you gotta do the Gotham Garage method. If you haven't watched Rust to Riches on Netflix then you need to. They build a car around that much BUT then they do the best they can to trade it to someone that would compromise and give them something more valuable(which is kinda what you did trading it for less money than you should have). So they basically go to someone that wants what they built and would lose for it instead of someone that just wants to get something to resell or a dealership that wants to make profit.
in negotiation there's a concept of BATNA (best alternative to a negotiated agreement) which in this case is the Carmax offer of 47000. The auction reserve should be set as BATNA hence 47000.
Exactly i don't see how "doug failed him" he took it to a auction website and took the risk. This video seems more like his fault than cars and bids "fault"
@@Fps_American Oh I think I get the point very well. He is crying because he didn't use his better judgement. Learn from the mistake and move on... or make a video about it.
@@potatochobit that’s wrong entirely. If YOU are spending YOUR hard earned income, it is up to YOU to do YOUR ‘Due diligence’ Anyone who cries about how much or little their trade was worth After the deal is either a) completely out of touch with the market for it, or b) completely out of touch with the concept that it is completely their own responsibility how much they Sell their trade for, and how they sell it.
@@jordany7018 I've tried to say this so many times. In the age of the internet, you have no excuse for getting screwed. It's YOUR fault if you won't do your research. Yours and yours alone.
@@paulcarmi8130 be responsible for your own ignorance, as I like to say. Lots of people out there, getting used to playing victim and pushing blame the other way, are in for a rude awakening when they get off the Internet.
There have been 5 Challenger hellcats in the past year on BaT, and all of them sold for (or were bid to) the $40-45k range. You got exactly what the market is willing to pay for one.
This is my reaction too... the first thing I would do is look at the lower mileage and 3 years newer Hellcat that sold less than a month before and understand I would not get that much
That’s the chance you take with an auction. Unless you have a really unique car it’s better to sell it yourself privately or to a dealer. At the end of the day Cars and Bids made their money. And so will the Subaru dealership
@@ElliottAlvis You picked a bad time to sell it. It's 10 degrees here. In a couple months the market in the northern part of the country would have opened up. That might have helped.
yeah, that was his mistake and at least he's owning it. I've been "talked down" by people before and never again. I will opine that I bet the people at cars and bids are former car salespeople and are masters at talking people down. You could walk into any dealership, the car you want is the grade A numero Uno most valuable and sought after vehicle on the market today. Buy it, take it in next week to the same dealer and the same salesman will tell you "it's a piece of shit, it's not worth anything, you have to accept 50% of what you think it's worth". I never sign a purchase agreement without a "subject to _______s approval" (used to be my father). That gives me an out. One sales rep said to me once "what's the matter, you not man enough to make your own decisions"? I looked him square in the eye and said "fuck you" and walked out....WHERE YOU GOING....."as far away from you as possible" he just blew 3 hrs of his time and a sale.......
You sound like a guy that broke up with a girl he loved and cared so much for.. want her to be happy and cared for in her next long term relationship but can’t stand the idea that she will go for one night stand frenzy for a few month
I’m sorry to hear this Elliott. I love my machines too. My heart goes out to you, brother. If it’s any consolation though... Thanks for the great content!
"16 men are going to take it around the block and ring it out until they are done with it. Every lot boy and manager that ever worked at that dealership is going to have their way with it and totally wear it out" Sounds like gang rape 😥
This video breaks my heart for you. So sad to see such an incredible example of an already great car have such an unfortunate fate. I love seeing your videos, keep up the great work. Sorry it had to end like this.
If he loved the car so much he would have kept it. If he cared so much about who bought it, he would have sold it privately. Carmax is a "dealer" too. Carmax employees can take "joyrides" too.
@@mitchellbarnow1709 1 : a rectangular length of tartan worn over the left shoulder as part of the Scottish national costume. 2a : a twilled woolen fabric with a tartan pattern. b : a fabric with a pattern of tartan or an imitation of tartan.
Nah fr. Me and my family have made a pact that we will not sell or trade in our 2003 Toyota 4Runner even if it gets flooded or messed up. That car took me to my first day in Pre-School and took me to my last day in High School. It took me to my first day in college and I’m hoping it’ll take me to the day I get my degree :)
@@Vault13CanteenFNV I like the funny stuff he does, like the hellcat on buggy wheels, but the ones where he destroys stuff just to piss people off are just okay. Either way, people get upset, and I think it's funny too.
Yeah, the last day of the auction I was there watching the final bids. I was disappointed by the end result aswell. Never would I thought the car in such a good shape can go for such a low price :(
My car was just accepted today on carsandbids. I was already on the fence about them lowering the reserve price by $4000, and I think this confirmed my fears. This story is what I've been afraid of, this feels like a sign. I feel for you, more than you know. Thanks for the great video
From talking to you yesterday and seeing the video today, I know that you're sincerely bummed. But let me say this...it's not just any man that can rock a beard AND a turtleneck. They can't take that from you. Godspeed my friend.
9:29 Hey, that's me! I am glad you made this video. I think we are on the same page with this. I was thinking of listing my Challenger there when the time came to sell it, but it looks like muscle cars do not bring the right numbers on the site as of right now. As you said in the video, it is not really anybody's fault directly, just a bad chain of events that lead to the right buyer not being present at the auction. That is the huge downfall of auctions. But, on the bright side, the auction plus the videos you created about the experience should bring in some new viewers, like me, which will bring in more views for you.
@@ElliottAlvis I watched this video last night, saw the clip of me, and had to comment today because someone commented on my instagram saying the found me from your video, so thanks for including that clip👍😆😆😆
I love my car. Within ten years, I expect I'll have known every single bolt and beyond that keeps it together, and be content that I took obsessive care of it. As another person that shares this love for our unliving but still breathing inanimate objects, I'm sorry this happened. Maybe sorrier than I should be. Like, if I had the money, I'd buy it myself and sell it back to you so you could start over. Still, props to you for looking forward positively and for accepting responsibility in the end without harboring grudges. Enamored by the opening bit, and I love this video more as a story between you and your car than as a story of a time you sold a car.
Pretty sure most of us have left money on the table when selling or trading a car. I know I have... It's a couple of grand, don't look back. Keep your eyes looking through the windshield.
That intro was genius. Yet I wish it didn't come from a point of pain. Completely understand the wanting for a car to go to a great home, & have it end up with idiots & absolute unappreciative fools. I am sorry for what happened, but may you & your channel grow stronger than ever. Keep your family close!
I’m bummed out for ya man. Hit me when you brought up the dealership “detailing” the car, lowest man on the totem pole burning the paint with the buffer.
damn. the dealership sale hurts the most. I'm glad you took the high road, and still have a good attitude towards Doug and the site. i did NOT want to have to cancel Doug today.
Thankfully he’s not, met him and his wife in Nantucket in 2017. Genuinely nice and down to earth guy. Sorry to hear about the hellcat, but I know the future of this channel and your garage is bright.
Take heart, Elliott. Often dealership owners buy special cars for their own collections, even though they are bought through the business. The cars are impeccably maintained. We can hope that is the fate of this red menace. I know of one dealer tried to talk a customer out of buying a new car, but she wanted air conditioning and power steering, neither of which was practical to add to her showroom mint, original and unrestored 1961 Volvo P444. The dealer kept that car. Still has it on display in the showroom, too.
That’s a great way to look at it Michael. Unfortunately, I already know the outcome for this car because it’s already listed for sale on their website for almost exactly what I guessed it would list for. It’s just a quick flip.
Man, what a shame. My heart breaks for you. Hopefully it ends up with someone who appreciates it the way you did, I'll have to follow the VIN and see what happens with it.
@@brandonterry4890 honestly, Google works well to see sale listings, and resources like VinWiki and carfax to get more detailed info. Found a few of my old cars with just a Google search.
Sorry the auction didn’t go how you wanted. Im glad you’re able to put money back into the production. I cant wait to see what possible project cars you can buy as well as fixing the cars you already have. Love the content
As someone who sold a car that was dear to me, I get that making sure it goes to a good home is important. I’m actually Facebook friends with the guy who purchased mine and I’m watching him restore it which is something I could not do. However it was that sale that got me the 57 in my profile pic, and the 57 is my true dream car. The money you get from this sale will hopefully come back to you with interest and who knows one day in the future perhaps you can buy it back... stranger things have happened
This entire video: "I sold my dream car. And now I'm sad." Stop cryin' dude. You entered a contract, the contract was fulfilled, and now you're upset with the terms of the contract.
I don’t know what to say. This guy is a great car enthusiast. Loved the car so much and he would rather pass it to someone who would take care of it than just use it like a bitch!!!
7:00 is where anything you actually want to hear starts. Thank me later. Also, there have been multiple no sales on that site, you should’ve gone no reserve, of course there wasnt any interest because the reserve never lifted, that pushes away bids. Im not a daddy doug fan thats just the reality of any auction site.
Elliot, You are a great man brought up with great Parents Family We live and Learn from our Mistakes and I truly understand you your relationship with your car been there done that and People don't look at things your way sad to say but most people are this way.
Look at it from the bright side: soon you will have a successful RUclips channel and you will not only be able to buy it back, you will be able to experience many more cars. I believe in it!
I feel your pain Elliot. My first truck I bought for $8k and sold it for only $1500 and it was well taken care of maintained by me. It still hurts when it comes up on my Facebook memories. 😭
Keep up the good content & I am more than confident you will purchase another dream car of yours & pass it along when you are done with it in a matter that will make you even happier :)
"I have a massive emotional attachment to this car". Sells after 11k miles because he wants to spend money on things he's REALLY "emotionally attached" to, (and thinks a Prius might be a better car). BTW, if Carmax offers you $47k, that means market value is likely $2k more than THAT. And if you're concerned about losing money, buying a brand new car, taking the depreciation hit, then selling it at 11k miles will lose you money EVERY TIME, genius. Rich guy moaning about $2k. lol But the intro was VERY well done and your daughter is precious.
I love how dramatic all the black and white scenes are. Made my day. Hell, you know what? Subscribed. Might as well get something extra out of having to part with your favourite car.
I know how you feel. I tried to sell an amazing car in the site and I’m so glad I didn’t sell it on cars and bids. I wanted to see the car go to an enthusiast. I wanted to sell it on cars and bids but I ended up selling the car a few hours after the auction ended to a local buyer who absolutely loves the car. I bought my dream car on cars and bids so I really wanted to sell a great car on the site. O’well. You gave some great advice. Don’t sell your vehicle on any auction site unless you are comfortable with all the details.
Man that’s really tough. I love my cars with passion as well. The dealership honestly is the bigger blow in my opinion. I’d rather take the few thousand loss and have it go to someone who would care for it.
The real problem is the site's insistence on wholesale reserves and then not honoring it by doing the "close enough, we'll cover you" trick. Yes, that sells it, but a lowball auction is something you WANT a reserve for for exactly that reason - it gives you an "out". Also, there is no option to exclude bids to private parties only. This is a feature that none of the sites have, unfortunately, so half of the bidders on ALL sites are flippers, rebuilders, and dealers. So it's basically a fancy auction lot most of the time and you should just put an add in Hemmings or put a price on it at a car show if it's actually special and you want it to go to the next owner directly.
You're not the only one. There was a Mazdaspeed 6 on Cars and Bids with 80k miles in Silver that sold for $6800. During the same time, I posted my 2006 Mazdaspeed 6 in Cherry Mica with 120k miles in perfect condition on craigslist and it sold for $7300. That's 13% more than what cars and bids sold a similar car for and I'm glad I didn't go with cars and bids. It took me 3 weeks until I found the right buyer from Craigslist and I actually sold it before the cars and bids car was posted.
I'm gonna be brutally honest, this video seemed like it was more for you to blow off steam about being mad you didn't get what you wanted for the car. Knowing full well that if you really were serious about getting top dollar you could have sold independently.
I don’t think I could ever sell a car like that at auction. As a buyer I wouldn’t be willing to pay anywhere close to market value for a car without seeing it and getting it evaluated by a trusted mechanic. So as a seller I wouldn’t expect to get close to market value. I know many cars do sell for crazy high amounts, but I think that’s... crazy.
I think I need to go see a therapist. Something is definitely wrong with me if I watched a 17 minute video of a guy upset that his car isn’t going to go where he wanted. Where the hell do you expect a car you’re selling, to go? WHAT IF you DID in fact sell it to a hardcore car enthusiast? How do you know the other buyer was going to take care of it how you wanted or not? There are people with all kinds of cars and they don’t care and don’t take care of it, so it shouldn’t be a thought of yours. That guy could have purchased it and crashed it the next day. Boo hoo. When you are selling it, you have no say in who gets it or how they take care of it, from your comment of “as if I had done nothing.” Also, as someone who has worked at four different dealerships, You never know the owner of the dealership could be a hardcore car enthusiast and make sure that he was the only one ever to touch it or clean it all the way to the lot. I’m from the Midwest, but what the hell is a “lot boy”?.... i’ve heard of them being called porters, prep team members, and valets, but a “lot boy”?... Carmax offered you more money than cars and bids got you… How much more money were you expecting over Carmax on a 5 year old Hellcat? If you truly wanted more, why didn’t YOU list it on craigslist or whatever? If you were super attached to this car, you should have kept it or list it for what you really wanted. This never needed to be a video, and even if it did, it surely didn’t need to go on for this long. You explain why you’re upset but then added multiple times that it’s your own fault. I don’t think it’s a bad thing to post and display mistakes you’ve made on social media(s), I don’t have a problem with that... but you’re dragging it out and talking just to hear yourself talk so you can slap the ads on your videos front to back to generate more revenue (which is what I see on over 90% of your videos), which I think is a bullshit way of doing RUclips, WHEN you’re video is completely idiotic and time-wasting. If you’re going to make a video 10 minutes or longer, it should be filled with information throughout the entire video. I’ll also bet you Doug DeMuro watched this video and probably shit his pants laughing at you. Though, I gotta hand it to you... I am thoroughly shocked that you have an “in” with the top dogs on RUclips. You had to have been friends with these guys before they blew up.. like watchjrgo, tyler, and everyone else. You’re able to make clickbait bullshit videos and you talk to them and hang out with them on the regular... good for you! I busted my ass making videos of my own nice cars with my own nice camera equipment, pouring my heart and soul into them, and I got NOTHING. So yeah I’ll give you that for sure! Is that all I need to do to be famous, blow up, and get monetize, and make a living off of RUclips? Holy shit I’ve been so fooled.
Be glad it didn't sell to that speed717 guy that jumped and broke the rAm trx and the challenger dukes of hazzard car. Watching your hellcat baby driving around the farm in the snow on 44s for him to get some likes. Doh!!!!
This is a lesson in what goes on behind the scenes and a reminder to stick to your guns. it sucks elliot, sorry you went thru this. Cars and Bids was making the best agreement for them.
I know it hurts, but this is usually how Bid works. Photographers do a lot of bidding on used lens and cameras on eBay, and the sold price fluctuates so much...
He literally explained it in the video. Someday you'll understand that as an adult, sometimes you need to make decisions you don't want to, but you have to.
Doug Demero should be ashamed. Shady way to get you to drop a reserve simply to they can guarantee a sell. Garbage move by them. You deserved 50K minimum.
That's why I don't understand or like auctions, some youtuber's name on the site or not. Sucked even to be listening to this story and I wish you luck for future adventures.
Personally the problem might be that the widebodies and the black hood's are now the hot stuff when it comes to the challengers, as it does look abit generic, I mean dont get me wrong the hellcat FIXED the challenger body where it just looked, wrong, and now with the demon, and the widebodies it takes it up a notch, but I guess main thing is now to keep track of the vin number, take down the sellers information, and then if you really miss it in a few years look for it again either that or buy the buyer out, or write down everything wrong with the car and look for a replacement after you've upgraded your fleet that checks the boxes of not having what you hated, and having what you liked about it like a dodge charger hellcat 4 door, as you said you've got a kid now, or look for an outgoing shelby gt350 or the last of the C7's given the value of those must be plummeting now plus if you rip off a bumper or two, you can only improve a C7 given it looked like a corvette ran into a pontiac aztek and a firebird at a curb, and then the guy who did it quickly tried to tape it back together before the owner got back.
Cars and bids should not use word “enthusiast” anywhere as it is misleading. They would insist and plain lie to you with empty promises. They pushed me so hard not to have a reserve, feeding me tons of BS it was not even professional and quite evident. As they openly admitted In correspondence - they only care about their money. There is no value for the seller, unless you have something unique and live in the middle of the nowhere. I am sorry for your loss and sour feeling. I am glad that I did not list my car with them. It was sold in a week 20% higher than what would of be my reserve. I hope Doug would assume his knee pose and apologize for the outcome
I once sold my IROC to help put my sister through college. It gutted me to do so, as that was (and still is} my favorite car, but in the end was the right decision. I have no doubt that you ignored that "feeling" in your gut to go with a higher reserve, and now regret it. Let's just blame Tyler for lower than should be final sale bid.
Oh man that price is a semi punch in the guts. I know how it feels, last week I was going to hit a buy now on a car (was really excited) , then a car dealer beat me to it, and the same car is selling for $5k more at the dealership. Well at least you did not agree to $42k that would have been a punch in the southern region.
Cars and Bids, like every other auction site, is not your friend. Most sites will tell you to list the car with NO RESERVE. How was a $45K reserve in your best interests? It wasn't, and the people running the site are out for themselves. They are not trying to help you get a great price, they just want to make sure they get their fees, and keep up their stats. Why would you "trust" Doug Demuro, when he is strictly out for himself? It makes no more sense for a buyer to "trust" Doug Demuro to get him a great deal. Cars and Bids is agnostic about who gets a good deal, and who walks away a little lighter in their wallet. All that matters is that Doug gets his auction fees.
If it was just the car selling for a couple grand less I would say that's definitely a bummer, but at least you probably made another enthusiast super happy. But when I heard she was going to a dealership I immediately was like oh no, BIG RIP. Sorry this happened, it's true someone who hasn't ever had an emotional attachment to a car probably wouldn't understand.
Hey Elliott. Sorry things went down this way. My first ever brand new vehicle purchase was a 1998 Ford 4x4 pickup that I babied the way you babied the HeckCat. I thought I was doing the right thing when I made good on a promise and GAVE it to a heart transplant kid when he graduated high school and needed transportation for college. He rolled it a month later. Hint: The pain and resentment you feel right now will NEVER go away. Ever. You will always wonder what would have happened if you gave it to your daughter when she turns 16, or when you and your wife have a 25th anniversary and how cool it would have been to take her to dinner in the car that is in all your wedding photos. This is going to hurt, my friend. And I am very sorry. How bad would it be if you became onown as the first guy to welch on a deal on Cars and Bids? Or, the way Doug pronounces it... Carth and Bidthhhz.
You’re right Paul, it’s going to be tough no matter what. And I’ll always wonder what could have been. But I am just thankful I had the opportunity to own the car at all. And I will use it’s sale for bigger and better things.
@@ElliottAlvis Here's hoping that 5 years from now you'll have sold several cars and made enough money on videos to get something amazing like a GT40 :)
You don't give them enough blame for the soft pressure they put on people to sell cars for less than what the owners are comfortable with. C&B is a car business, and it'll turn even the likes of someone like Doug and his posse into a used car dealer. Yeah, your an adult that made a bad decision, but that's also the part of human psychology that predators take advantage of. I'd be interested in seeing a response from Doug, because I would like to hear that they would have encouraged you, the client, to set up your listing so that you would be insulated from the possibility of this kind of disappointment.
What a cry baby lol, it’s just a hellcat you’re lucky you got 45,000 What did you think it was going to happen? Someone that has never heard about cars pay $60,000 for it lol
Dude. You sold a car that theres 20,000 on the market. It aint special….yet. Welcome to the cold world…im sure you will turn the lesson i to something good
Man, this hit me hard in the gut for you. I would have loved to bid on the car but I couldn't because I still have my RoadRunner. I wish I would have seriously tried to trade you now but I know you needed to cash. I felt it was low when I was watching it on the site and hate that for you.
The video was very satisfying ... at first ... and then I was in a sad place, I know those feels, so let me make you feel better. It took me 6 year to build a car once, I sold it for $45,000 then that person resold it for $80,000 and the next person resold it for $160,000 ... feel better yet? Haha
Damn man, that’s brutal
That's why you gotta do the Gotham Garage method. If you haven't watched Rust to Riches on Netflix then you need to. They build a car around that much BUT then they do the best they can to trade it to someone that would compromise and give them something more valuable(which is kinda what you did trading it for less money than you should have). So they basically go to someone that wants what they built and would lose for it instead of someone that just wants to get something to resell or a dealership that wants to make profit.
I would have suicidal thoughts after seeing all that unfold
my grandfather sold a DB5 for 25K in 1990....
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No chance I would have agreed to a reserve lower that CarMax offer.
It was ultimately my fault for accepting it
@@ElliottAlvis sounds like you were talked (sold) into it though.
@@ElliottAlvis good of you to own up to it, and I feel for you, I was once in that position. Least now you'll never do it again right?
@@ElliottAlvis cars and bids should have never suggested it.
in negotiation there's a concept of BATNA (best alternative to a negotiated agreement) which in this case is the Carmax offer of 47000. The auction reserve should be set as BATNA hence 47000.
" I took the risk" ... well there you go. Personal responsibility.
U didn’t get the point.
Exactly i don't see how "doug failed him" he took it to a auction website and took the risk. This video seems more like his fault than cars and bids "fault"
@@Fps_American Oh I think I get the point very well. He is crying because he didn't use his better judgement. Learn from the mistake and move on... or make a video about it.
@@Fps_American im pretty sure you don’t get the point no one put a gun to his head and told him to sell it that was his own decision
@@airsoftincompetence got*
Its also gonna suck when several people say " dude, I woulda gave you $60k cash right now".. all lies of course.
Right i would dropped my imaginary 60k right this second dammit, too bad. Hmmph
Tiny violins should be playing this whole episode.
Yessssssss ;)
Moral of the story: Dealers will always screw you.
@R May buying is one thing but you did not get a stellar deal on a trade in, that's for sure.
@@potatochobit that’s wrong entirely. If YOU are spending YOUR hard earned income, it is up to YOU to do YOUR ‘Due diligence’
Anyone who cries about how much or little their trade was worth After the deal is either a) completely out of touch with the market for it, or b) completely out of touch with the concept that it is completely their own responsibility how much they Sell their trade for, and how they sell it.
@@jordany7018 I've tried to say this so many times. In the age of the internet, you have no excuse for getting screwed. It's YOUR fault if you won't do your research. Yours and yours alone.
@@paulcarmi8130 be responsible for your own ignorance, as I like to say. Lots of people out there, getting used to playing victim and pushing blame the other way, are in for a rude awakening when they get off the Internet.
@@jordany7018 the victim mentality is a parasite that must be cut from our society, the host, or we are doomed.
There have been 5 Challenger hellcats in the past year on BaT, and all of them sold for (or were bid to) the $40-45k range. You got exactly what the market is willing to pay for one.
This is my reaction too... the first thing I would do is look at the lower mileage and 3 years newer Hellcat that sold less than a month before and understand I would not get that much
That’s the chance you take with an auction.
Unless you have a really unique car it’s better to sell it yourself privately or to a dealer.
At the end of the day Cars and Bids made their money.
And so will the Subaru dealership
Yep
@R May anyone who can afford this car doesn’t get a Tax refund , we have tax liabilities
@@ElliottAlvis You picked a bad time to sell it. It's 10 degrees here.
In a couple months the market in the northern part of the country would have opened up. That might have helped.
Never sell your car to a dealer... 😂 wtf. You'd be better off auctioning with no reserve
That’s pretty upsetting I would’ve said hell no after they said $45,000.
He was hoping it went to a private owner he was willing to eat the loss.
He never intended it to end up on a dealers lot.
1972 AMC Ambassador exactly I would’ve sold it somewhere else before it was even started.
yeah, that was his mistake and at least he's owning it. I've been "talked down" by people before and never again. I will opine that I bet the people at cars and bids are former car salespeople and are masters at talking people down.
You could walk into any dealership, the car you want is the grade A numero Uno most valuable and sought after vehicle on the market today. Buy it, take it in next week to the same dealer and the same salesman will tell you "it's a piece of shit, it's not worth anything, you have to accept 50% of what you think it's worth".
I never sign a purchase agreement without a "subject to _______s approval" (used to be my father). That gives me an out. One sales rep said to me once "what's the matter, you not man enough to make your own decisions"? I looked him square in the eye and said "fuck you" and walked out....WHERE YOU GOING....."as far away from you as possible" he just blew 3 hrs of his time and a sale.......
Muskoka Mike great advice👍😂
@@muskokamike127 I really Do not think he thought a dealer was in the bids
I think he went into this expecting a loss but not a steal.
You sound like a guy that broke up with a girl he loved and cared so much for.. want her to be happy and cared for in her next long term relationship but can’t stand the idea that she will go for one night stand frenzy for a few month
Yeah she's really going to take a pounding...and enjoy it 🤣
Very interesting and well said.
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I’m sorry to hear this Elliott. I love my machines too. My heart goes out to you, brother. If it’s any consolation though... Thanks for the great content!
Gotta make lemonade out of lemons! 🍋 thanks for watching.
@snsproduc wait until you see tomorrow’s video
Obviously Frank Miller shot the intro.
its stylized for sure lol
@@ElliottAlvis I thought I could trust him..
"16 men are going to take it around the block and ring it out until they are done with it. Every lot boy and manager that ever worked at that dealership is going to have their way with it and totally wear it out"
Sounds like gang rape 😥
The dealer is a damned fool if he lets employees take it on joyrides.
This video breaks my heart for you. So sad to see such an incredible example of an already great car have such an unfortunate fate. I love seeing your videos, keep up the great work. Sorry it had to end like this.
If he loved the car so much he would have kept it. If he cared so much about who bought it, he would have sold it privately. Carmax is a "dealer" too. Carmax employees can take "joyrides" too.
Jesus, man. Nobody died here. He just got $2k less than he could have gotten
I blame the photographer.
He certainly played a role. Top notch work though. 😉
@@ElliottAlvis What is “plaid”?
@@mitchellbarnow1709 1 : a rectangular length of tartan worn over the left shoulder as part of the Scottish national costume. 2a : a twilled woolen fabric with a tartan pattern. b : a fabric with a pattern of tartan or an imitation of tartan.
@@mitchellbarnow1709 tesla's highest level of performance.
The irony is, he could have taken pics himself and saved money THERE. Serious buyers don't need brochure-quality photos to evaluate a car.
Don't worry Elliot there's something bigger and better coming❤️
Thanks Melvin. I’m trying to look on the bright side myself!
Sounds like you've got the right outlook about it, and a lesson learned. The humor and enthusiasm in your videos will more than make up for it!
If you were that attached to it, then you should have kept it. It’s a beautiful car.
Nah fr. Me and my family have made a pact that we will not sell or trade in our 2003 Toyota 4Runner even if it gets flooded or messed up. That car took me to my first day in Pre-School and took me to my last day in High School. It took me to my first day in college and I’m hoping it’ll take me to the day I get my degree :)
Yup... he’s gonna regret this.. heavily I bet.
At least WhistlinDiesel didn't buy it to destroy it lol He just bought a red hellcat to destroy
he hasnt got this one yet and still could he's lookin to buy another.
If I sold a car to whistlindiesel, I wouldn't be too upset. I got my money, and I could also say that the car in his video used to be mine.
@@connorm2177 I love how people cry over his content 🤣
@@Vault13CanteenFNV I like the funny stuff he does, like the hellcat on buggy wheels, but the ones where he destroys stuff just to piss people off are just okay. Either way, people get upset, and I think it's funny too.
I came here to see if this was the car...
What a bummer! I voted for you not to sell from the beginning! Knowing the whole story now makes it even worse to see it go.
Yeah, the last day of the auction I was there watching the final bids. I was disappointed by the end result aswell. Never would I thought the car in such a good shape can go for such a low price :(
My car was just accepted today on carsandbids. I was already on the fence about them lowering the reserve price by $4000, and I think this confirmed my fears. This story is what I've been afraid of, this feels like a sign. I feel for you, more than you know. Thanks for the great video
You know it’s bad when Hoovie couldn’t save the moment.
Don't be to bummed Elliott. Your channel is taking off and one day you will be able to have any car you want. This is just the beginning
Thanks man
It did make reserve though, so cars & bids did there job ultimately and the car sold.
From talking to you yesterday and seeing the video today, I know that you're sincerely bummed.
But let me say this...it's not just any man that can rock a beard AND a turtleneck. They can't take that from you. Godspeed my friend.
Hush Puppies....don't forget the Hush Puppies footwear ;-)
That intro was well executed, sorry about the hellcat
9:29 Hey, that's me! I am glad you made this video. I think we are on the same page with this. I was thinking of listing my Challenger there when the time came to sell it, but it looks like muscle cars do not bring the right numbers on the site as of right now. As you said in the video, it is not really anybody's fault directly, just a bad chain of events that lead to the right buyer not being present at the auction. That is the huge downfall of auctions. But, on the bright side, the auction plus the videos you created about the experience should bring in some new viewers, like me, which will bring in more views for you.
Good eye! And you’re totally right. The auction did help you find my channel, so that’s a positive!
@@ElliottAlvis I watched this video last night, saw the clip of me, and had to comment today because someone commented on my instagram saying the found me from your video, so thanks for including that clip👍😆😆😆
@@Carguy1999Reviews haha, no way! That’s awesome.
13:20 “Is this Doug demuro’s fault? Absolutely Not!” Title of the video “Daddy Doug made me cry”
This video is kinda stupid
I love my car. Within ten years, I expect I'll have known every single bolt and beyond that keeps it together, and be content that I took obsessive care of it. As another person that shares this love for our unliving but still breathing inanimate objects, I'm sorry this happened. Maybe sorrier than I should be. Like, if I had the money, I'd buy it myself and sell it back to you so you could start over.
Still, props to you for looking forward positively and for accepting responsibility in the end without harboring grudges. Enamored by the opening bit, and I love this video more as a story between you and your car than as a story of a time you sold a car.
Pretty sure most of us have left money on the table when selling or trading a car. I know I have...
It's a couple of grand, don't look back. Keep your eyes looking through the windshield.
That’s the goal. Trying to stay positive!
That intro was genius.
Yet I wish it didn't come from a point of pain. Completely understand the wanting for a car to go to a great home, & have it end up with idiots & absolute unappreciative fools.
I am sorry for what happened, but may you & your channel grow stronger than ever.
Keep your family close!
I’m bummed out for ya man. Hit me when you brought up the dealership “detailing” the car, lowest man on the totem pole burning the paint with the buffer.
damn. the dealership sale hurts the most. I'm glad you took the high road, and still have a good attitude towards Doug and the site. i did NOT want to have to cancel Doug today.
In the context of this thumbnail, Doug’s smile looks kind of sinister. I can’t imagine if Doug was a jerk in real life.
It would shatter my dreams
Thankfully he’s not, met him and his wife in Nantucket in 2017. Genuinely nice and down to earth guy. Sorry to hear about the hellcat, but I know the future of this channel and your garage is bright.
@@derekchisholm972 did he show you his wife's quirks and features?
@@mikewelch3747 😏😏🥵🥵🥵
@@derekchisholm972 What does his wife look like>?
Take heart, Elliott. Often dealership owners buy special cars for their own collections, even though they are bought through the business. The cars are impeccably maintained. We can hope that is the fate of this red menace. I know of one dealer tried to talk a customer out of buying a new car, but she wanted air conditioning and power steering, neither of which was practical to add to her showroom mint, original and unrestored 1961 Volvo P444. The dealer kept that car. Still has it on display in the showroom, too.
That’s a great way to look at it Michael. Unfortunately, I already know the outcome for this car because it’s already listed for sale on their website for almost exactly what I guessed it would list for. It’s just a quick flip.
Man, what a shame. My heart breaks for you. Hopefully it ends up with someone who appreciates it the way you did, I'll have to follow the VIN and see what happens with it.
How do you follow VINs? Always wondered what happened to my WRX
@@brandonterry4890 honestly, Google works well to see sale listings, and resources like VinWiki and carfax to get more detailed info. Found a few of my old cars with just a Google search.
I did a Google search on my old Lexus and found it on a Ukrainian auto auction site. Wasn't expecting that.
@@brandonterry4890 can use the vinwiki app
Sorry the auction didn’t go how you wanted. Im glad you’re able to put money back into the production. I cant wait to see what possible project cars you can buy as well as fixing the cars you already have. Love the content
3:14 i still dont see any around and theyve been out now for years :(
His is the nicest condition Hellcat from that year.
As someone who sold a car that was dear to me, I get that making sure it goes to a good home is important. I’m actually Facebook friends with the guy who purchased mine and I’m watching him restore it which is something I could not do. However it was that sale that got me the 57 in my profile pic, and the 57 is my true dream car. The money you get from this sale will hopefully come back to you with interest and who knows one day in the future perhaps you can buy it back... stranger things have happened
This entire video: "I sold my dream car. And now I'm sad."
Stop cryin' dude. You entered a contract, the contract was fulfilled, and now you're upset with the terms of the contract.
That really sucks. I hear you and will be here for your future content.
I'm going to watch your video first and then back to Hoovie's! ;)
What kind of cigars are you smoking?
They look tasteful..
Haha nvm
I took top billing over Hoovie? Awesome! lol
@@ElliottAlvis I watched yours first too brother....hoovies vid disappointed me
I don’t know what to say. This guy is a great car enthusiast. Loved the car so much and he would rather pass it to someone who would take care of it than just use it like a bitch!!!
7:00 is where anything you actually want to hear starts. Thank me later. Also, there have been multiple no sales on that site, you should’ve gone no reserve, of course there wasnt any interest because the reserve never lifted, that pushes away bids. Im not a daddy doug fan thats just the reality of any auction site.
Elliot, You are a great man brought up with great Parents Family We live and Learn from our Mistakes and I truly understand you your relationship with your car been there done that and People don't look at things your way sad to say but most people are this way.
I know. The emotional attachment is a rare aspect these days, but it just makes everything harder lol
Thanks for sharing your “full-disclosure” experience, Elliott. Keep your head up, and good luck with the channel moving forward!
Look at it from the bright side: soon you will have a successful RUclips channel and you will not only be able to buy it back, you will be able to experience many more cars. I believe in it!
Here’s hoping!
I feel your pain Elliot. My first truck I bought for $8k and sold it for only $1500 and it was well taken care of maintained by me. It still hurts when it comes up on my Facebook memories. 😭
I think what you got on C&B makes sense considering a 2019 with 400 miles sold for $54k in December..
Agreed. And a 2017 sold for 44k back in September. Auto, but 3 years newer and still low miles.
Keep up the good content & I am more than confident you will purchase another dream car of yours & pass it along when you are done with it in a matter that will make you even happier :)
I blame the collapse of the Wichita Buick engine mount market...or the Wichita collapsed Buick engine mount market...whatever...
Hmm, you make a good point there..
I know a guy...
@@100PercentJake yeah, but he has sewage in his basement...
"I have a massive emotional attachment to this car". Sells after 11k miles because he wants to spend money on things he's REALLY "emotionally attached" to, (and thinks a Prius might be a better car). BTW, if Carmax offers you $47k, that means market value is likely $2k more than THAT. And if you're concerned about losing money, buying a brand new car, taking the depreciation hit, then selling it at 11k miles will lose you money EVERY TIME, genius. Rich guy moaning about $2k. lol But the intro was VERY well done and your daughter is precious.
I love how dramatic all the black and white scenes are. Made my day. Hell, you know what? Subscribed. Might as well get something extra out of having to part with your favourite car.
Well thanks Derek!
The intro is...Genius WOW...You should do it more often......The car deal is just damn sad.....Thanks my friend...!
I know how you feel. I tried to sell an amazing car in the site and I’m so glad I didn’t sell it on cars and bids. I wanted to see the car go to an enthusiast. I wanted to sell it on cars and bids but I ended up selling the car a few hours after the auction ended to a local buyer who absolutely loves the car. I bought my dream car on cars and bids so I really wanted to sell a great car on the site. O’well. You gave some great advice. Don’t sell your vehicle on any auction site unless you are comfortable with all the details.
Man that’s really tough. I love my cars with passion as well. The dealership honestly is the bigger blow in my opinion. I’d rather take the few thousand loss and have it go to someone who would care for it.
Yep! That was my train of thought too.
That thumbnail is artwork though 😂 also love the b&w old mystery thriller thing you had going there 😂 you could absolutely pull that off
The thumbnail is a masterpiece. I had a professional make it lol. Thanks man
The real problem is the site's insistence on wholesale reserves and then not honoring it by doing the "close enough, we'll cover you" trick. Yes, that sells it, but a lowball auction is something you WANT a reserve for for exactly that reason - it gives you an "out".
Also, there is no option to exclude bids to private parties only. This is a feature that none of the sites have, unfortunately, so half of the bidders on ALL sites are flippers, rebuilders, and dealers.
So it's basically a fancy auction lot most of the time and you should just put an add in Hemmings or put a price on it at a car show if it's actually special and you want it to go to the next owner directly.
Go AMD Ryzen for your new computer, the best for editing. ;)
You're not the only one. There was a Mazdaspeed 6 on Cars and Bids with 80k miles in Silver that sold for $6800.
During the same time, I posted my 2006 Mazdaspeed 6 in Cherry Mica with 120k miles in perfect condition on craigslist and it sold for $7300.
That's 13% more than what cars and bids sold a similar car for and I'm glad I didn't go with cars and bids. It took me 3 weeks until I found the right buyer from Craigslist and I actually sold it before the cars and bids car was posted.
“Steven’s Creek Nissan” has it for 54,888 😭
One of the local dealers in my area, the photos on their website make it look like a bottle of silicone spray exploded inside it :(((
Stay happy man , you will get much better cars
I'm gonna be brutally honest, this video seemed like it was more for you to blow off steam about being mad you didn't get what you wanted for the car. Knowing full well that if you really were serious about getting top dollar you could have sold independently.
I don’t think I could ever sell a car like that at auction.
As a buyer I wouldn’t be willing to pay anywhere close to market value for a car without seeing it and getting it evaluated by a trusted mechanic.
So as a seller I wouldn’t expect to get close to market value. I know many cars do sell for crazy high amounts, but I think that’s... crazy.
Damn. I would have rather you sold it to whistlin diesel... at least we’d see more of it before it got destroyed.
That was Elliot's hellcat that idiot destroyed ???
This sucks. Sorry to hear about your experience. Stay positive!
Oh, man. That's a gut-punch
I think I need to go see a therapist. Something is definitely wrong with me if I watched a 17 minute video of a guy upset that his car isn’t going to go where he wanted. Where the hell do you expect a car you’re selling, to go? WHAT IF you DID in fact sell it to a hardcore car enthusiast? How do you know the other buyer was going to take care of it how you wanted or not? There are people with all kinds of cars and they don’t care and don’t take care of it, so it shouldn’t be a thought of yours. That guy could have purchased it and crashed it the next day. Boo hoo. When you are selling it, you have no say in who gets it or how they take care of it, from your comment of “as if I had done nothing.”
Also, as someone who has worked at four different dealerships, You never know the owner of the dealership could be a hardcore car enthusiast and make sure that he was the only one ever to touch it or clean it all the way to the lot. I’m from the Midwest, but what the hell is a “lot boy”?.... i’ve heard of them being called porters, prep team members, and valets, but a “lot boy”?...
Carmax offered you more money than cars and bids got you… How much more money were you expecting over Carmax on a 5 year old Hellcat? If you truly wanted more, why didn’t YOU list it on craigslist or whatever? If you were super attached to this car, you should have kept it or list it for what you really wanted. This never needed to be a video, and even if it did, it surely didn’t need to go on for this long. You explain why you’re upset but then added multiple times that it’s your own fault. I don’t think it’s a bad thing to post and display mistakes you’ve made on social media(s), I don’t have a problem with that... but you’re dragging it out and talking just to hear yourself talk so you can slap the ads on your videos front to back to generate more revenue (which is what I see on over 90% of your videos), which I think is a bullshit way of doing RUclips, WHEN you’re video is completely idiotic and time-wasting. If you’re going to make a video 10 minutes or longer, it should be filled with information throughout the entire video.
I’ll also bet you Doug DeMuro watched this video and probably shit his pants laughing at you. Though, I gotta hand it to you... I am thoroughly shocked that you have an “in” with the top dogs on RUclips. You had to have been friends with these guys before they blew up.. like watchjrgo, tyler, and everyone else. You’re able to make clickbait bullshit videos and you talk to them and hang out with them on the regular... good for you! I busted my ass making videos of my own nice cars with my own nice camera equipment, pouring my heart and soul into them, and I got NOTHING. So yeah I’ll give you that for sure! Is that all I need to do to be famous, blow up, and get monetize, and make a living off of RUclips? Holy shit I’ve been so fooled.
“We'll Always Have Wichita, Heckcat”
yellowsock ....what the hell is a goddamn "Heckcat"?!
@@branon6565 it was the name on the plate!
Be glad it didn't sell to that speed717 guy that jumped and broke the rAm trx and the challenger dukes of hazzard car. Watching your hellcat baby driving around the farm in the snow on 44s for him to get some likes. Doh!!!!
That would’ve been hurtful lol
This is a lesson in what goes on behind the scenes and a reminder to stick to your guns. it sucks elliot, sorry you went thru this. Cars and Bids was making the best agreement for them.
Saw this video first and saw the exact same hellcat in doug’s newest video
Heh. Mr. Mini-Winwiki :D
I know it hurts, but this is usually how Bid works. Photographers do a lot of bidding on used lens and cameras on eBay, and the sold price fluctuates so much...
The question is: why in the hell anyone sells a car that person loves so much
He literally explained it in the video.
Someday you'll understand that as an adult, sometimes you need to make decisions you don't want to, but you have to.
@@thomasjohannesen1003 that's sad, I hope I can stay like this
Doug Demero should be ashamed. Shady way to get you to drop a reserve simply to they can guarantee a sell. Garbage move by them. You deserved 50K minimum.
Cars & Jizz, better call it :s
That's why I don't understand or like auctions, some youtuber's name on the site or not. Sucked even to be listening to this story and I wish you luck for future adventures.
Never love anything that can't love you back.
Personally the problem might be that the widebodies and the black hood's are now the hot stuff when it comes to the challengers, as it does look abit generic, I mean dont get me wrong the hellcat FIXED the challenger body where it just looked, wrong, and now with the demon, and the widebodies it takes it up a notch, but I guess main thing is now to keep track of the vin number, take down the sellers information, and then if you really miss it in a few years look for it again
either that or buy the buyer out, or write down everything wrong with the car and look for a replacement after you've upgraded your fleet that checks the boxes of not having what you hated, and having what you liked about it
like a dodge charger hellcat 4 door, as you said you've got a kid now, or look for an outgoing shelby gt350 or the last of the C7's given the value of those must be plummeting now
plus if you rip off a bumper or two, you can only improve a C7 given it looked like a corvette ran into a pontiac aztek and a firebird at a curb, and then the guy who did it quickly tried to tape it back together before the owner got back.
Cars and Bids is a buyers market site. and ultimately it's worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.
Cars and bids should not use word “enthusiast” anywhere as it is misleading. They would insist and plain lie to you with empty promises. They pushed me so hard not to have a reserve, feeding me tons of BS it was not even professional and quite evident. As they openly admitted In correspondence - they only care about their money. There is no value for the seller, unless you have something unique and live in the middle of the nowhere. I am sorry for your loss and sour feeling. I am glad that I did not list my car with them. It was sold in a week 20% higher than what would of be my reserve. I hope Doug would assume his knee pose and apologize for the outcome
Does Doug know the car Dealer?
most likely
Darn it man, I'm so sorry to hear that story. You definitely love that car. Sad it is going where it is and fit the price it went.
Tell me about it man. At least I had the opportunity to own it for a little while.
I once sold my IROC to help put my sister through college. It gutted me to do so, as that was (and still is} my favorite car, but in the end was the right decision. I have no doubt that you ignored that "feeling" in your gut to go with a higher reserve, and now regret it. Let's just blame Tyler for lower than should be final sale bid.
Yes, let’s blame Tyler. Lol
Oh man that price is a semi punch in the guts. I know how it feels, last week I was going to hit a buy now on a car (was really excited) , then a car dealer beat me to it, and the same car is selling for $5k more at the dealership. Well at least you did not agree to $42k that would have been a punch in the southern region.
Tell me about it. That’s brutal man
@@ElliottAlvis Yeah man, I have been feeling gutted for the past week and a half from losing that car in a split second. I like the intro though.
Elliott Noir, the best video style from a Notary
Cars and Bids, like every other auction site, is not your friend. Most sites will tell you to list the car with NO RESERVE. How was a $45K reserve in your best interests? It wasn't, and the people running the site are out for themselves. They are not trying to help you get a great price, they just want to make sure they get their fees, and keep up their stats.
Why would you "trust" Doug Demuro, when he is strictly out for himself? It makes no more sense for a buyer to "trust" Doug Demuro to get him a great deal. Cars and Bids is agnostic about who gets a good deal, and who walks away a little lighter in their wallet. All that matters is that Doug gets his auction fees.
Imagine the dealership ends up selling it to OJ
Can you cancel the sale?
You can back out, but then you get banned from the site n
😭
Love your cool demeanor Elliot, again as you said let it be a life lesson
If it was just the car selling for a couple grand less I would say that's definitely a bummer, but at least you probably made another enthusiast super happy. But when I heard she was going to a dealership I immediately was like oh no, BIG RIP. Sorry this happened, it's true someone who hasn't ever had an emotional attachment to a car probably wouldn't understand.
Hey Elliott. Sorry things went down this way. My first ever brand new vehicle purchase was a 1998 Ford 4x4 pickup that I babied the way you babied the HeckCat. I thought I was doing the right thing when I made good on a promise and GAVE it to a heart transplant kid when he graduated high school and needed transportation for college. He rolled it a month later. Hint: The pain and resentment you feel right now will NEVER go away. Ever. You will always wonder what would have happened if you gave it to your daughter when she turns 16, or when you and your wife have a 25th anniversary and how cool it would have been to take her to dinner in the car that is in all your wedding photos. This is going to hurt, my friend. And I am very sorry. How bad would it be if you became onown as the first guy to welch on a deal on Cars and Bids? Or, the way Doug pronounces it... Carth and Bidthhhz.
You’re right Paul, it’s going to be tough no matter what. And I’ll always wonder what could have been. But I am just thankful I had the opportunity to own the car at all. And I will use it’s sale for bigger and better things.
@@ElliottAlvis Here's hoping that 5 years from now you'll have sold several cars and made enough money on videos to get something amazing like a GT40 :)
You don't give them enough blame for the soft pressure they put on people to sell cars for less than what the owners are comfortable with. C&B is a car business, and it'll turn even the likes of someone like Doug and his posse into a used car dealer. Yeah, your an adult that made a bad decision, but that's also the part of human psychology that predators take advantage of. I'd be interested in seeing a response from Doug, because I would like to hear that they would have encouraged you, the client, to set up your listing so that you would be insulated from the possibility of this kind of disappointment.
What a cry baby lol, it’s just a hellcat you’re lucky you got 45,000
What did you think it was going to happen? Someone that has never heard about cars pay $60,000 for it lol
That sucks, I don't think I would ever be comfortable auctioning off a car unless they let me set a reserve higher than what CarMaxx would pay lol.
Dude. You sold a car that theres 20,000 on the market. It aint special….yet. Welcome to the cold world…im sure you will turn the lesson i to something good
Man, this hit me hard in the gut for you. I would have loved to bid on the car but I couldn't because I still have my RoadRunner. I wish I would have seriously tried to trade you now but I know you needed to cash. I felt it was low when I was watching it on the site and hate that for you.