I'm super excited for Part 3. A Night Lords + Khorne Daemons army was the first thing I wrote when the Chaos Daemons Codex dropped. Excited to hear your thoughts.
Great video my brother in chaos 💀 I am currently enjoying deep strike shenanigans with A-baddy boy and his Terminator guard squad. Having my Blood letters jump in on top of that action is just gonna be even sweeter still.. let the blood flow! 🔥🤟👹🔥
I don't think it's possible to have the Master of Possession be a Warp Locus for the Bloodletters or any other Khorne unit. The unit that's coming in from reserves needs to have the same allegiance keyword as the warp locus (Khorne units can only come in on a Warp Locus) and it's not possible for the Master of Possession to take a mark of Khorne because it's a psyker. You can definitely still do the "Warp Locus into 6 inch charge" with the Khorne units, and it's definitely powerful, but it forces you to run units like Skarbrand or the Skull Altar which you probably don't want to be running. It's one of the reasons I've been using Daemonettes on my lists. I usually give my MoP a Slaanesh Mark anyways so they know Delightful Agonies, and having those Daemonettes as a threat to keep my opponent from flanking around isn't half bad.
You just have to forgoe putting a mark on your master, if he has no mark he is Undivided and can bring in anything. The restriction is that if your Warp locus unit does have an allegiance then it can only bring in units with the sane allegiance. But if it has none, it can bring in any
Interestingly I was having this discussion with some friends today, as previously a friend of mine went to a tournament where players were giving relics to other units despite it being a different from their warlord, ie) allying CK and CSM. The way they achieved this was down to the way that GW introduced Nephalim: They said that Nephalim rules override all rules in your codexes, in light of this in the nephalim book the "Relic" section states : "Use this Stratagem before the battle, when you are mustering your army, after selecting your WARLORD. Select one CHARACTER model from your army that is not a named character; give that model one Relic (this must be a Relic they could have). You can only use this Stratagem once." Again, I'm not doing this myself or trying to be "that guy" but technically you can give a daemon character a relic by using the Nephalim rules.
It is certainly a contentious rule. I would argue the nephilim qualifier of "must be a relic they could have" means that the CSM codex restriction still applies. But I could absolutely see it going either way
@@BlogForTheBloodGod I think it's quite strange that they haven't FAQd it already, I know certain tournaments are ruling it one way and some the others.. hopefully when Nephalim moves on we'll get some clarification
Fluff wise, you'd think a dark apostle would have 'warp locust' as a key word summoning daemons etc, plus as a khorne player we need that 6" charge for the Bloodthirster ay! Is the summoning rule still in play and what's the ruling for deployment range away from enemy players?
I don’t have any daemons but this makes me want to buy some. Khorne daemons are definitely the coolest because they are what I imagine when I think of a typical daemon lore wise. Since this is going to be a 3 part video I’d tag your other videos so people who stumble across can find them quickly. Not sure how difficult it is to embed it on the screen like some other videos do?
Really hope this topic can be revisited now with arks of omen, I am starting out an Emperor's Children army and I am really interested to know whether or not adding slaanesh daemons would bring something to the table other than the rule of cool.
Will this rule supersede the point cost of daemons if I tried to bring them to a tournament that uses point and not power level. I haven't brought up the question to the tournament yet.
Im Really looking foward to adding daemons to a night lords army im working on. really stacking the minus to LD and attrition modifiers to hit the 5LD break point with nightlords and playing into the psychic interrogation secondary.
Nice mate. I’m wondering how the pregame Nephilim relic strategem works: 1CP for Relic. There’s no restriction in the strat itself. Can we still give a blood thirster a relic if Abaddon is our WL (which he has to be if you run him) ? Cheers
I would have added the CP cost for having a division of Chaos Daemons and how it will or not be worth the CP cost, especially if following the Nephlem 6 CP max.
you mentioned a warlord can have legion warlord trait even if its not a csm. so could i give my keeper of secrets e.g. a word bearers warlord trait? thats insane! awesome video once again btw
I'm super excited for Part 3. A Night Lords + Khorne Daemons army was the first thing I wrote when the Chaos Daemons Codex dropped. Excited to hear your thoughts.
I ended up making two more videos making this kind of a 5 part mini series. Battle report and Terminators deep dive on the way
Great video! ATM flamers really look like the thing that an undivided legion with a heavy melee focus could take to add some volume shooting.
Yeah Flamers do look strong
I just got pumped by Flamers lol, they are busted
This is a great overview. This sounds very similar to what I was thinking, but it's really nice to get some kind of confirmation.
Great video my brother in chaos 💀 I am currently enjoying deep strike shenanigans with A-baddy boy and his Terminator guard squad. Having my Blood letters jump in on top of that action is just gonna be even sweeter still.. let the blood flow! 🔥🤟👹🔥
Looking forward to adding Flesh Hounds in with my World Eaters. Those psychic denies combined with speed is going to be super helpful
Yeah the Flesh Hounds are solid allies
I don't think it's possible to have the Master of Possession be a Warp Locus for the Bloodletters or any other Khorne unit. The unit that's coming in from reserves needs to have the same allegiance keyword as the warp locus (Khorne units can only come in on a Warp Locus) and it's not possible for the Master of Possession to take a mark of Khorne because it's a psyker. You can definitely still do the "Warp Locus into 6 inch charge" with the Khorne units, and it's definitely powerful, but it forces you to run units like Skarbrand or the Skull Altar which you probably don't want to be running.
It's one of the reasons I've been using Daemonettes on my lists. I usually give my MoP a Slaanesh Mark anyways so they know Delightful Agonies, and having those Daemonettes as a threat to keep my opponent from flanking around isn't half bad.
You just have to forgoe putting a mark on your master, if he has no mark he is Undivided and can bring in anything.
The restriction is that if your Warp locus unit does have an allegiance then it can only bring in units with the sane allegiance. But if it has none, it can bring in any
Interestingly I was having this discussion with some friends today, as previously a friend of mine went to a tournament where players were giving relics to other units despite it being a different from their warlord, ie) allying CK and CSM. The way they achieved this was down to the way that GW introduced Nephalim: They said that Nephalim rules override all rules in your codexes, in light of this in the nephalim book the "Relic" section states :
"Use this Stratagem before the battle, when you are mustering your army, after selecting your WARLORD. Select one CHARACTER model from your army that is not a named character; give that model one Relic (this must be a Relic they could have). You can only use this Stratagem once."
Again, I'm not doing this myself or trying to be "that guy" but technically you can give a daemon character a relic by using the Nephalim rules.
It is certainly a contentious rule. I would argue the nephilim qualifier of "must be a relic they could have" means that the CSM codex restriction still applies. But I could absolutely see it going either way
@@BlogForTheBloodGod I think it's quite strange that they haven't FAQd it already, I know certain tournaments are ruling it one way and some the others.. hopefully when Nephalim moves on we'll get some clarification
@@JumpyWizard00 yeah TBH I'm just hanging out for 10th edition. The rules bloat is out of control right now
Fluff wise, you'd think a dark apostle would have 'warp locust' as a key word summoning daemons etc, plus as a khorne player we need that 6" charge for the Bloodthirster ay! Is the summoning rule still in play and what's the ruling for deployment range away from enemy players?
Summoning rule has gone, regular 9" deep strike outside of the locus
Thank you so much, this video really needed
Haha hope it helps
I don’t have any daemons but this makes me want to buy some. Khorne daemons are definitely the coolest because they are what I imagine when I think of a typical daemon lore wise.
Since this is going to be a 3 part video I’d tag your other videos so people who stumble across can find them quickly. Not sure how difficult it is to embed it on the screen like some other videos do?
Great idea
Chaos Marines is melee heavy. One could bring shooters to keep in the back but taking khorne to really take your melee engagements up a natch
Really hope this topic can be revisited now with arks of omen, I am starting out an Emperor's Children army and I am really interested to know whether or not adding slaanesh daemons would bring something to the table other than the rule of cool.
It is absolutely worth considering, one of the biggest drawbacks was it costing 2CP previously, now it is free I see no reason why not
Will this rule supersede the point cost of daemons if I tried to bring them to a tournament that uses point and not power level. I haven't brought up the question to the tournament yet.
Yes. So at a tournament that uses Points you would still have your allied Detachment limited by power level
Im Really looking foward to adding daemons to a night lords army im working on. really stacking the minus to LD and attrition modifiers to hit the 5LD break point with nightlords and playing into the psychic interrogation secondary.
Nice mate. I’m wondering how the pregame Nephilim relic strategem works: 1CP for Relic. There’s no restriction in the strat itself. Can we still give a blood thirster a relic if Abaddon is our WL (which he has to be if you run him) ? Cheers
Can you use warp locus drop in's turn 1? As am just thinking about Alpha Legion and some Khorne daemons...
Unfortunately not
I would have added the CP cost for having a division of Chaos Daemons and how it will or not be worth the CP cost, especially if following the Nephlem 6 CP max.
Yeah I'm finding that more and more as I play with this. 2CP is very expensive.
you mentioned a warlord can have legion warlord trait even if its not a csm. so could i give my keeper of secrets e.g. a word bearers warlord trait?
thats insane!
awesome video once again btw
No, what I meant is if you take a CSM character, it can take a Legion Specific Warlord Trait even if your listed Warlord is not CSM
@@BlogForTheBloodGod okok
i was absolutely confused haha
but thx for the clarification
I play World Eaters and I would love to soup in some Daemons
It's hard to look past the bloodthirster
If you have a 25% detachment of Daemons in your CSM list, do the Daemons still get to use their Manifestation rules?
Sort of, you can still deep strike but the rules allowing you to do it within 3" in your own Deployment etc don't apply
dope
My only additional thing to add
Skulltaker and 3x 10 bloodletters is exactly 500 points
Not that I'm suggesting anything 💀💀😫💀☠️
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