The Worst Sanding I've EVER SEEN (Hired us to Put It Right)
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2022
- We travelled across the country to fix the bad floor sanding work that was done by another company. This is the follow on video from the last video I posted in which we discussed what went wrong, how it went to court and what the result was. Before any of that happened, we refinished the floor so Hilal could actually move into his house.
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Floor sander rentals are available at home improvement stores.
After watching this channel I wouldn't dream of doing my own
unless I wanted a nightmare on elm,oak,or walnut street.
It all depends on budget, circumstances and how much time you have. A lot of people are discovering old wood floors under their old and worn carpets or vinyl flooring, and I don't think that is a place where it is massively crucial that you achieve a perfect result, as the floor will be in dire need of sanding, and any work you do will probably give you some improvement.
It's a different story if you spend thousands on new wood tiles and then ruin them by wanting to DIY the finish.
You can't hire floor sanders like what he uses, the ones hire shops have are not worth the casters they are on. They will bugger up your floor. They have no lift and drop arm for drum either. Think all hire shops have the same crappy model.
@@Carrion00 our local box stores maintain the equipment well. They are only couple Years old with old units sold off.
@@Carrion00 Really depends on where you're in the world. Apparently in Germany you can hire the exact same model he uses, elsewhere it depends on the shop. None of the machines I've hired in Austria were great but some were fairly decent. All of them were smaller models than the Hummel used in the video, e.g. a Janser Jaguar. About half the weight, much easier to handle than a Hummel but not as good a finish with the same grit of sandpaper. The one notable exception was when I hired from a small rural timber and paint store. The old chap there gave us his own Hummel, which looked like it was in a bit of a sorry state, but oh was this deceptive! I've never gotten anywhere near as nice a finish with 120 grit as I got with 100 grit on this beaten Hummel. I don't have any intentions of repeating that experience though, it was utterly exhausting!
You obviously have all the proper equipment and leave no stone left un turned . Kudos to you .. that’s what being a professional is ..
Cheers Ron 🍻
The proper equipment certainly helps but you have to have the skills and experience, not only in installation, but to competently use the equipment. I'm a flooring installer of over 50 years experience, and I gave up replying to people, clients mostly, who would say "It's easy when you've got the right tools" without offending them. I even had medical professionals say it to my face, and I always wanted to reply that maybe I should go out and buy a stethoscope, thermometer and a white coat to set myself up as a doctor ....... but I kept quiet.
Amazing job. I can't count off the top of my head how many times in my career I've been called to fix someone's previous job. The homeowner is already on edge about having someone there again but as much as I try telling them "it'll be better, it'll be good, it'll be what you should've had from the beginning", my work is what will speak for itself. Please hire someone that Takes pride in their work, get references and actually talk to these people. Great job one again
I know several friends that have redone their own floors and did a wonderful job on floors that were over 100 years old. These guys obviously had no idea what they were doing. I think it's important to work under someone first before and learning everything about the trade.
Mate good on you for promoting your business like this and helping this customer resolve his issue with a dodgy tradesman. If I didn't live on the other side of the world you'd be my guy for flooring.
It's important to remember that anyone is a professional once you pay them. If you wish to hire someone that's good at a very specific thing, you're looking for an expert.
This floor is stunning!! Great video!
That old black mastic adhesive crystallizes after 15-20 years usually. It becomes brittle and when you put the sander on it, the vibrations break the remaining fragile bond and you end up replacing boards left and right after each step. It is the worst. I always ID the adhesive that was used on older floors right away, and if it is black mastic I consult with the client and usually offer three options: 1) Sand the floor and live with sporadic loose boards and only repair larger sections that are loose, or pay a per board fee and fix everything with the knowledge that the old adhesive will likely continue breaking loose over time with normal traffic. 2) If the floor isn't too ugly, just do a recoat and avoid vibrating the floor with heavy sanders, thus preventing new loose planks. 3) Just replace the whole floor.
This was sticky bitumen. Sticky bitumen is still sticky after 60 years. Always the same with these sapele floors. I kind of assumed the repair work had been done by these other guys but I asked just in case and he said it was all stuck down 🥲 did it for the ‘Toob
My old boss told me back in the old days they used to add linseed oil to wood block adhesive which is what kept it live but people wanting to save a few qiud on the job left it out which is why it goes brittle. Could be true, could be bollocks!
Spectacular job Ben! We've run into similar situations several times here, however police were never involved, the homeowners would just pay the other "floor refinishers" pennies on the dollar.
People are more used to taking losses over there it seems. I do notice that the clientele is a lot harder to please in the US 😂
Beautiful craft Ben! Hard to believe a complete hack got the job prior. But that's very prevalent in our field. I know longer do full time work (physical limitations primarily) so it's music to my eyes to see the beautifully sanded and finished process done *right*.
Cheers Tony!
Great work 👏
Tradesmen are worth their weight in gold. It's always a pleasure to watch people who know their trade. Absolutely amazing job 👏
Thank you! :)
Wow! Thanks for this video man! This will help on my floor project soon. Keep it up
G'day Ben, I just bought your course and can't wait to research it thoroughly, as well as studying the videos, before having a crack at the VERY rough and never before finished 100-year-old hardwood floors in my place here in Australia. Will catch up with you via email some time. Cheers.
You make really good videos. I just wonder if any of these questionable trades people ever try to confront you afterwards! Incredible that you managed that over only two (very long) days.
Thank you! It was a pleasure to do though. Especially for the RUclips content 😂
I work as an installer and honestly theres too many people who just think they can rent sanders from a big box store and run a business. Most of these guys have restraining orders, are on parole, drug addicts or ex drug addicts. You seem to do a good job but theres way too many people in the sanding business that make the trade look bad.
Is it that bad? 😂 it’s not the same over here, sanders are mostly prima-donnas
And more importantly you can't rent a professional wood floor drum sander at the big box stores all they have is those little 110 volt toys sanders and I only know of one tool rental company in Oklahoma City and surrounding cities that rented professional 220 volt professional sanders , I've installed sand and finished, repaired, refinished I don't know how many square feet in my 30 plus years I've walked back and forth or crawled around on my knees, from small homes to mansions bowling alleys to skating rinks dance floors to gymnasiums mainly in Oklahoma but I've done jobs from Long island New York to wasilla Alaska
Wow that is an inappropriate generalization.
The thing is people don’t know what they don’t know . Those herringbone floors can be tricky . We use a Lagler trio for all parquet floors … I always say we are not recruiting people from Harvard in our trade . Lots of bust outs
Unfortunately this is true. I hired a contractor to do my floor and he subcontracted it. The subcontractor was clearly on drugs or an alcoholic. Totally screwed me. Since then, I've actually learned from this channel and done several floors myself. My floors are so much better than the b.s. the contractor did.
I truly admire this amount of professionalism and dedication to perfection. I wish you were in the US. I’d hire you in a second.
My goodness that’s a beautiful floor.
And a brilliant job.
as a decorator i often get asked about this type of work and i just straight turn it down. there are so many chancers out there that will do whatever they can get but this is very specific skilled work.
We are back!! You really should start posting some project videos from start to finish😁
Yes I should!
Wow. Simply amazing. Great job. Sorry the client had to go through all that with the previous cowboys..!!
Cheers Jim 🍻
Final outcome looks fantastic.
Thank you!
I've been telling people for years (ret'd builder), that if it was easy then anyone could do it. Fine job lads.
Seems like a lot of work but I bet it feels good to see a finished product like this and to know that you did it yourself.
It’s a very satisfying job, just very hard work too
As an American, I couldn't imagine owning a house with a wood floor (carpeting is just soooo much more cozy); but this is still an interesting video none-the-less.
WOW, BEAUTIFUL JOB GUYS!
QUESTION: If I have no experience with a belt sander(similar to yours) should I use a 4 disc orbital sander instead to get rid of one coat of stain done by previous person. The floors aren't perfect, water stains,animal stains etc....
Gorgeous job.
Beautiful job!
Hi Ben Greetings from Oz. Thank you for your time and the effort you put into your videos. I'm about to attempt sanding and refreshing my herringbone jarrah parquet floors. You've given me the confidence to try drum sanding or would I be better with a large orbital sander? Also due to the apartment being under renovation and cluttered with staged furniture in the same room I have no option but to do the sanding and the application of the water based satin polyurethane finish in 2 stages with an overlap.I was hoping to complete one section and then transfer the furniture and go again. Is it likely there will be a very obvious line where the two sections of satin polyurethane meet once the floor is completely sanded and finished? Am I better off using an oil in this situation for that reason as it could possibly offer a more seamless transition? Your advice would greatly appreciated. Thanks and all the best
I would love an answer to this. I'm in a similar situation and I've been wondering the same.
That floor looks absolute stunning, well done. How much per m2 for a new floor like that?
Beautiful job 😍 I’m in the process of researching grey stain and the process behind it all. I pulled back our carpet in our living room & hallway and found parquet flooring! Wish I could hire you guys to come to Missouri! 😅
Hi Jessica, I wish I could come to Missouri! I was supposed to be flying to Idaho to help on an Epic project but im not allowed in without the Jab! 😞
Staining is really hard, grey stain is a nightmare. Please heed. Instead of going for a grey stain, go for a natural lacquer as you can see in my video here: ruclips.net/video/NmLu70PoFoE/видео.html
It's not grey, but it is like a light white wash. So much easier to apply without having issues.
@How To Sand A Floor do you still need the jab to come? That's complete and utter bullcrap...pisses me off!
Fooooking stunning job!
Nice, I was always curious how a herringbone pattern was sanded... 7500 for that one...:)
Just beautiful !
Thank you muchly
Mate been watching you for a while and you do know your stuff. I’m a fellow floor sander. Them blocks keep coming loose what a nightmare. Great finish in the end. Do you use ceramic papers. I e just started using them. What a game changer. Also the lagler looks good. I ve just invested in a bona flexi sand 1.9 also does a great job.
Would be good to see what finishes you use the most I only ever use bona mega one or traffic would be good to have your view.
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Great stuff.
What a lovely satisfying ending to a horrible story. 👌
Wow! Someone on RUclips actually keeping the paper changing door on their beautiful Hummel on the machine while also progressing left-to-right as the sander is engineered for use! Is this video even real?
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Watching you sanding the floors is somehow therapeutic
Wow! looks much better!!
What grit are you using for the final sand ?
Some spots looks like they would love some fillers or it the game of lights, but it looks much better than before + you had limited time to repair it :O
Nice work, is that oil based polyurethane?
How do you get right up to the edge with the lacquer? It looks like you just roll it, but i cant believe that would work...?
I've got a jarrah floorboard pantry in Perth, WA that needs sanding. When can you be here?
What grain of sandpaper did you start with?
So what tips would you give to prevent the floor looking like the one in the first video?
Wow beautiful floor ur an artist.
Just curious... what do high-heeled shoes do to a floor like this?
I've done my own and they came out pretty good, but then I saw my brother had his done professionally - I could not believe how smooth they were. I thought they were laminate floors! lol
It's a real matter of luck though. I've seen some truly beautiful pro jobs and then there's our upstairs neighbour's lounge. They hired one of the largest and best-known flooring contractors in town (their vans used to be all over the city) and I had a hard time believing my eyes when I saw what they were doing. They'd brought a tiny drum sander that looked like it was from the 1960s (this was in 2013) and left the floor incredibly wavy. If that ever needs to be redone, sanding it smooth is going to be a lot of fun!
I do wonder why you no longer see those vans everywhere /s
How come you guys didn't fill in the dips around the perimeter of each piece so that it was one fluid surface?
Just curious what is the price per sqft in general for this job.
Wow, the dips are unbelievable... how does that happen? Is it as simple as wrong equipment, or just not taking an organized approach to how they were doing their passes?
It was an electric plane. 😬 butchered
I have done one floor when my customer wanted to do it even i said i have no experience from sanding floors. I did it, it wasn't good as this redone but much much better what those before shots and customer was happy so it's all that matters. Now i know few things i could done better because trial and error is what makes you pro if you learn from mistakes.
I was like "oh that's not too terrible!" And then I kept watching and felt nauseous from the lack of quality in the work from whoever did the floors originally 🤢 lol
Hi how to select an profesional? i'm living in the Netherlands and i need to renovate my wooden floor.
You were able to use the drum sander in straight lines, 45-degrees against the grains of the herringbones, without any scoring?
yes this is the proper way to sand herringbone. You do get scratches across the grain, but it keeps the floor flatter so that its easier to take those scratches out with the finishing sander (the big round one)
I used a hand orbital sander to refinish a 40yo 27ft x 15ft oak floor, using chalk sticks to trace coat between grits. Finished with a sanding block. Took 2 weeks, but it came out utterly perfect, inspected with a raking light bar.
Point is, if I'm going to pay to have a floor refinished, its only because a pro would be able to do it faster, not because its neccessary to get pro results.
That’s true, there are lots of bad professional refinishers out there.
Was it hard work? Tons of people say they do the whole thing with an orbital. I just imagine my arms would fall off 😂
@@HowToSandAFloor More tedious than hard, but its the way to go if you want excellent results with little experiance. This was my 1st time refinishing a floor. The advantage here is that you remain looking at the surface so closely the whole time, it forces you to notice the details. Drove me nuts the first week, but it was worth it. The only thing more crooked than my lower back was that goddamn floor. Plus, learning curve. Most of the work was completed in the last 4 days, I'd say.
A raking light bar and graphite sticks for trace coating, I consider essential. A carbide sanding disc, Duragrit is the only brand I know that makes them, they have 46, 60, and 80 grit is the highest it goes, but to remove the polyurethane and initial leveling of the surface, its the way to go. It didn't wear at all, its just as abrasive as when I bought it. Also used their 150 grit carbide sanding block to finish sand with the grain. Its red oak, so 220 grit wasn't noticeably different.
And it wasn't my arms that gave me issue, it was my lower back, which usually gives me issues any way. After the second day, I put a cooler box on a washing machine dolly, and laid face down on that while wheeling myself from one section to the next. Its the sort of thing you can get away with when you're working alone😁
BRILLIANT JOB MATE , ANY CHANCE COMING UP TO SCOTLAND GLASGOW
I dig the song on this video I downloaded the song from your last video I asked you about it's badass I just totally zoned out and sand the floors buddy
I can’t remember right now, It’s from epidemic sound which is a website for royalty free music, but you can get any tune from any RUclips video with Shazam on your phone or as a chrome extension on your computer.
The professionals come and save the day!
Omg is this the real NAH Floors? 😱 I’ve been visited by wood floor royalty
Remember when we used to talk for hours and hours
@@naturalaccenthardwoodfloor6958 until you shunned me
I have the same oneida air combo... what kind of plastic bag you use? And doesn t it suck up in the machine? Or do you have a tricky for it?
I have it retrofitted to fit cheap mass produced hepa filter bags, 60c each 😁
Oneida also makes a DCS called the dust cobra. Wonderful machine with a separate HEPA filter for the big machine. I have run mine hard for 6 years and only had to replace the power switch, brushes are still good. That takes standard contractor bags and pull dust from edger and sander at the same time.
what type of wood is that it lookes like sapele
What’s the tool called your worker is using to remove the loose blocks?
Probably a multitool
hi great finish,,, how does a homeowner find a good floor refinisher in this area? how do we find a good one? cheers
That’s going to be my next video! Getting 3 or more quotes will do the most for giving you a good feel of who you’re dealing with.
Where about are you located Phil? I can recommend
What caused the poor job? Was it just not passed over with different grit also curious how come you didn’t sand diagonal like in the other videos? Great job!
Not sure what they were doing to do such a bad job.
Last question is a great one. I’m not sanding diagonally, but I am sanding at 45 degrees to all of the blocks… if I went diagonal I would be doing with the grain on half the blocks and directly against the grain on the other half, causing the floor to become very uneven
How much for you to come out to Ohio, USA?
about how much material do you remove when refinishing a hardwood floor?
It all depends, we try to take off as little as possible, usually between .5 and 2mm
Nice to watch professionals
Can you please tell me your grit sequences here.
honestly, I cant imagine how thin glued blocks are NOT likely to pop or come off after years of walking on top of them, even when the supporting floor is level and solid as a rock. Theye just so small that its easy to come off. I think for a floor they should be nailed onto something bigger in order to be stable, no? My friend used to have a kitchen with the same floor like this (ok not the best location for this type of floor) and all the wooden blocks were more or less loose....
Herringbone is nice to sand because it aready diagonal to the room.
I could watch your videos for hours, have actually.. i absolutely live sanding floors even when im told i am insane for accepting the task.. its not my profession, and dont claim to be great.. a novice if you will.. would love to chat for a bit as you are what i believe is the absolute best out there..
Thank you Anthony, very kind of you.
Actually I’m not the best, there are some very talented folk out there!
@@HowToSandAFloor that may be true, but here in the states, seems all want to cut corners and you see many floors like the one in your video.. i do appreciate the content you put out..
Good work but why didnt you fill the floor. I want to sand my own floor and would like to know when filler is necessary and when dont
I did 🤷🏼♂️
You didn't have to zoom in to see how bad it was 🤣
gotta love the hummels.
my dogs trashed my 1970 parquet floor :( so when you sand, it doesn't pop up the pieces?
no, it can do if they are not stuck down well in the first place. all loose blocks need to be glued down before sanding
Looks like you glued over paper???? For board replacments??
Yeah nothing wrong with that 👍🏽
8.07.... Looking Good.
Nicely saved ben! Redone many like this where cowboys have tried! :)
Cheers Kelan, the cowboys help keep us in business 😂
@@HowToSandAFloor That they do! 😂 just always feel devastated for the home owner! Until I've finished of course
Maybe the other guy thought the dips and hollows gave the floor character? ;)
Do you ever use wood filler to fill in gaps?
No just the resin and wood dust mix, the pre made fillers are only available in the US really
why do u start left to right hen starting the sanding process? I've always been taught to make right to left
Do you have the Hummel? If the floor is uneven, the left wheel will be on uneven wood, whereas the right wheel is always behind the drum and on more flat wood. So the machine will wobble less and sand smoother. Hummel manual says left to right.
I love Surrey! Did you go see the birthplace of Eric Clapton in Ripley?
I didn't. I have family in surrey, beautiful place, but extremely expensive house prices!
@@HowToSandAFloor Ive only ever visited there. The pub in town had pictures of Clapton when he visited. Good people in that town.
And how much on average this cost down south?total price for labour and mats?
I am sure it depends on surface, state, what you want and dimensions
@@rafael2499 same like floor in the video.Same condition,same size
Would you like a quote vladislavs? I'm based in Somerset.
The guys that did this job previously, are here watching taking notes for next time haha.
Haha, nah I think they’re never touching it again 🤣
Looks good from here in Australia hehehe
😁 cheers
with all respect, few questions:
1) why didnt you remove the base boards and go all the way to the wall?
2) there are gaps in between pieces why didnt you use fillers to close them specially the ones you use multi tool to remove?
3) did you guys wipe it after applying stain?
4) did you guys buffed it after the first coat of finish to smooth it out?
reason im asking is here in north america we do it a bit differently and you say you are pro but to me its not 100% ideal specially with all those gaps.
No one wants to risk pulling off a baseboard that has been there 50 plus years, unless you are planning on replastering and painting everything
Pffwwww that original refinishing is amazing compared to what a scam artist did to our floors!
You wanna talk about bad floors...turns out the guys we had hired they only sanded with 36 grit, left huge gouges and swirls, didn't tack (so the floors felt like sandpaper), and also left hundreds of small spots where they didn't apply the poly.
And to boot, they claimed the floors were always like that but seemed ok before they worked on it because "years of grime had caked on". And that the poly had slid off areas, not that they were incompetent.
I always new that being a first time homeowner, I'd have to lead these life lessons, but not before we had even moved in!
Good old British craftsmanship ✊🏼
Thank you 🙌🏽
German and Italian technology
What a nightmare. But the flipside is it makes great RUclips.
Hey can you come do my floors in Cambridge? Cambridge, MA, USA that is!! haha...
8:11 music?
Swif7 - Your Gain I believe
What do you think about have some vacation here in Brazil? If you do so, please come to my house and make my floor, please!!!
No filler and holes you can drive a truck through haha
You think that floor is bad...you should see mine.
why are u glueing stuff?
It looks like they coated right after they sanding used a 36 paper
Sad to say it but this in not even close to the worst sanding job I have seen. One floor had been edged with a 9" grinder with fiber discs, and been cut through to the tongues. Had to tell the owner, new flooring or carpet was the only solution. Their original 50% off discount contractor was not so cheap after all.
Great video I look skinny in the thumbnail 🥲
It’s all smoke and mirrors 🤓
Your sanding work is excellent, however I'm curious as to why you don't fill your parquetry floors? It takes away from the quality of your work.
I did, I double filled, but the honest truth is that virtually the whole floor was loose. I did so much gluing down that wasnt in the video, but in the end I said we dont have the time to rip up the whole floor and glue it down. During the quote I asked if there were any lose blocks and he said no. And i believed him because I would have assumed the other company would have glued them down. But NOPE. Nothing
@@HowToSandAFloorFair, that explains the missing filler. Sounds like the owner will be having ongoing issues with that floor. Shame there is so many poor quality trades people in the flooring industry. Always nice to see quality work though, thanks for the content.