When the cylinder temperature increases and the rings start sealing off due to increasing pressures, the white smoke (unburnt diesel fuel) starts changing to black smoke as more of the injected diesel ignites. At this point, some cylinders actually start producing enough power to carry themselves, but others are still being motored. As starting continues, more cylinders kick in and the thing comes to life. What a great visceral experience to actually start these things in cold weather!
Enjoy while you can, Josephine Biden is ending all Diesel engines of every kind. To turn these cold motor takes lots of electric starting power , keep in mind, rods, cylinders, cranks etc are much bigger, , it’s slower so combustion ratio is low , the fuel puddles on the cold cylinders because of incomplete combustion, and the turbo is blocking air cause it won’t spin till the first real ignition happens and that’s when you see the first puff of smoke go from grey or blue to black. Then another puff, and another then the turbo finally spools up, and finally after 5. Minutes voila .
Always loved the whistle of the fans and turbo's. Sunday was busy near my house for shunting, usually Brush and BoBo but sometimes something with a nose. I would watch for hours and stand on our bridge over the heat rising from the fans. Went to Rolls Royce at 16 and trained as a diesel engineer. Love those diesels. Thanks Dr Rudolf.
Youngsters seldom appreciate the sound and fury of enormous diesel engines. I was First Officer on a Danish sailing ship that had an Alpha 3 cylinder, air start, 750 rpm redline. In a pinch, t could be "push" started, or you could just start walking on the flywheel!
Great sound ! Not heard that whistlin' since I was at Guide Bridge back in the early 80s. Bring back the good old days ! Thanks for the vid. Just wish I had some of all my excursions.
@@paulcatley2224 Nowhere in my comment did I say that it is a Napier Deltic engine. The turbochargers are manufactured by Napier, and this engine is fitted with four of them.
We had English Electric diesels in Australia, and the South Australian Railways (SAR) had these 16 cyl 4 turbo versions in their 900 class, when maintained they started very quickly, probably in about quarter of a revolution, a great engine.
I used to drive a fuel truck powered by a Cat 3208 which is a naturally aspirated V8. It was15 years old at the time and had spent alot of it's time idling. I would leave it running at high idle for about 15 minutes just to blow all the white smoke out of it due to oil setting in around the piston rings while it sat overnight. It ran fine once I did that. Likewise this tired old locomotive. Happy trails old friend.
Ruston V16's. Same engines are installed on tugs, 'Shaldar' & 'Tirrick' where I work. I must get some video of a start up and post on here. They sound exactly like this when coming to life. Instead of batteries, ours start with compressed air blasted into the cylinders in sequence to turn the engine, and are kept heated to a constant temperature, so fire up intantly, run smoothly, and may be put to hard work right away.
@Triplex5014 Most diesel-electrics use the generator, some latter Alcos used an air-starter. My guess is that the first four or five tries here were done with the cylinder cocks open to prevent firing, in order to pre-lube and get possible jacket water out of the cylinders (a necessity with EMD's). When the last try comes, it fires right up. And I love it, as I said a long while ago, this beast's an Alco in quadraphonic!
I rode behind the "Green Howards" when I first went to England in 1980, London-Hull, there was nothing like that VROOM sound they put out...a Fairbanks-Morse x three, incredible!
Love these Deltic engines originally designed for submarines. They are supercharged not turbocharged as some people have thought, I have worked on these engines for many years with three crankshafts, eighteen cylinders and thirty six pistons. A nightmare to work on.
Everyone seems to think they hear a turbine whine. I know they're supercharged like radial aircraft engines to get an air charge into the manifolds. I read somewhere they had turbo chargers.
Either insufficient compression, not enough advance in injection timing, or, it needs glow plugs. Once warmed up, I'll bet it runs smooth as silk, and burns perfectly clean. This is undoubtedly a cold start. I have to admit, I do like the sound!
used to drive a detroit v-12 that was just as cranky. Once it started and was hunting, go inside shed and keep dogs company until it warmed up and was idling normally. Neat post.
That's exactly the sound I used to hear at the small local station near Blackpool called Layton station, when these things start sing their song you Never forget, it was great I loved it. 😊😃👉😲😎
Man, I could listen to that hunting idle for hours and not tire of it! Listen to those turbo's wake up! Sulzer V-16 with four turbo's if I'm not mistaken. Awesomw video. Thanks for sharing with us. Rick - Wisconsin - USA
This whistle takes me back to Crewe in the 70's and also the North Wales Coast Line. My mum and dad were on the beach, I was sat on Rhyl Station, brilliant.
Big static backup diesel gensets are kept warm while on standby with block heaters. Where shore power is available, I'm surprised they don't do this for loco engines (which are often the same basic engine). I've been in a room with a big V16 diesel genset and it was pleasantly warm - about blood heat. They start easily like that.
@vai2iant : Yep it is 4 stroke. It's a 247 litre V16, 4 valves per cylinder, turbocharged, diesel engine with direct injection. It produces (correct me if I'm wrong) 2000bhp at 1000rpm. These engines were not designed to start well from cold, I believe they have a quite low compression ratio to reduce peak pressures.
The cold-morning diesel start-up procedure: Check all fluids... Check battery condition... Say a prayer, ahead a tear... Turn the switch, count to six, then engage the starting-gear!
my friend I have NO wish to start some sort of argument going here BUT there was a feasibility study done way back in 1949ish that proved steam trains could run more efficiently and less polluting than diesels (they've actually done it in Switzerland ..true) .. If you have a valid point to make please make it BUT please there is NO need to be insulting or rude in your comments its brings you down not me and if I am a tree hugger I'm proud of it Bless
+mike clarke Terrible pollution here. These old diesel and steam engines should be cut for scrap and melted down to prevent this horrible smoke which should not be allowed in the 21st C.
heelfan1234....you have made the same comment on quite a few of these videos....Diesel is here to stay and there's nothing you can do about it.Anyway,what happens when there's a power cut or there's damage to overhead power lines due to storms or vandalism?What do they use to keep the railways running?Diesel locomotives
@MSJDesign the governor tries to maintain idle speed. the cold engine needs lots of fuel to keep running. the governor over compensates and too much fuel is injected causing the engine speed to increase beyond idle. the governor cuts the fuel to reduce the speed and overcompensates allowing the engine speed to drop too low. the cycle continues until the engine warms up and the governor can make smaller adjustments to maintain idle.
I had problems with my Ford Diesel. One of the plugs failed so the others timed out early. I managed to start using wife's hair-dryer directed down the air inlet. The problem is worse with Turbo charged engines because the compression press and temp before the turbo takes effect, is lower than the charged running pressure, hence the need to keep engines running especially during the cold and I guess no heater plugs.
@tpvalley Many different ring types. The only heat generated before ignition is from compression, so any cylinder not firing is low on compression, or not enough atomized fuel available to power the start. Injectors have to be spraying at high pressure, not squirting cold fuel in the cylinder. We used to motor with fuel off to build heat, then slowly open rack. Less white smoke, quicker starts. Older engines require more tricks to start!
I'm sure there was an old Class40 in the marshalling yard at GEC Traction in Trafford Park in the early 80's. It was used as a test bed for electronics on trains of 'the futuire'
8 лет назад+5
When the camera panned to the right at 2:25 and showed front of the train.... I half expected to see some dude using a crank to roll the engine over....😋
Locos engines are started by applying battery current to the generator , which then becomes a motor. I don't think large engines have glow plugs as do smaller automotive diesels. See my note to Bill Dixon re Turbo charged engines. Ignition is all about adiabatic compression temperatures and diesel fuel auto-ignition temperatures. If one doesn't exceed the other, it won't start. Because of starting difficulties the practice was to keep diesel engines running especially during cold weather.
It's a nice feeling but listening to the sound of that takes me straight back to the 1970's and my time spent dossing around Bescot with my mates, usually up to no good.
I don't know if any diesel train engines had pony starts. It's a good question. Probably before the DC traction drives, several starting methods might have been used - for example, pony motor, air start - either by auxiliary starter motor or air injection distributor. That's what big oil field diesels have used.
oh i didnt know it had four i figured it had two at the most. Im sure it quiet down at idle once the engine oil warms up like all diesels do. Thanks or the info trains are my favorite things to watch
Hey...learned a good trick that we use on our Alcos, use Dexron, or ATF fluid in your governors...it's lighter and won't cause the engine to "hunt" when cold and at low RPM's!!!
How can these and the deltics be so ugly yet so beautiful to the eyes and ears. Top video. It left me in tears. I felt I was hand cranking it (the engine that is). I'm exhausted. It's such a relief when you to hear it firing on all or almost all cylinders.
I would think the lack of glow plugs would be an oversight, considering the minimal cost involved in incorporating them. Or at least some kind of ether injection to help it along...
I had a cool dream one-time that I got to restore an old locomotive that wasn't all that big, so I only kept one engine in it and changed-out its drivetrain to a Semi-truck drive system and had that as "my truck" for a while. Weird dream, but it was cool at the time.
possibly, but possibly worn or even just very cold. the white is unburned but warm diesel vapour, I suppose someone could hold a blow torch to each exhaust and burn it! I think they smoke this much even when new though to be honest.
Here's a little known diesel cold starting trick I learned in the oilfield many years ago on pony start Waukeshau's: 1. Close the rack and motor the big engine to build up cylinder heat - no injection at all for the first few tries. 2. After about 10 minutes of this (don't overheat the pony motor) you start injecting fuel. 3. Result - the big engine starts much faster.
"Deltic" is greek for triangle, hence the consept of 3 cranks in a block shapped like a triangle. The Deltic engine is 2 stroke, has 18 cylinders and 36 oposing pistons. It was origonaly built to power landing craft during WW2. This is not a Deltic though, its a Class 40 with a more conventional V16 four stroke.
Mike B Although I don't mind it one bit, he does have a point, man. Cameras were shit in 08 unless you had $3000 to drop on one specifically for HD when it was first becoming a big thing. But again, I don't mind poor quality video.. I'm used to seeing 8 bit color from the 90's on TV and games in my young childhood.
grate vid from a few few years a go its lke its running on fire mote desial goood to see a classic desial running and good to see a saved loco from scrapper
I agree about the lack of heater plugs. Maybe someone with detailed knowledge may be able to help. Maybe it was a case that the engines originated in land and marine applications where starting was less of a problem. A heater plug would need a differently designed cylinder head...maybe thought too difficult. Ether injection maybe another matter. It may cause detonation hence damage to the pistons. However I am surprised that inlet air heating was not used...a bigger version of a hair dryer.
@MrLuke6593 The leccies are too light for heavy haulage, hence needing 2x Class 86 or 87 over Shap and Beatock with heavy feightliner trains. They had the power, but not the weight and tractive effort to maintain linespeed over the hilly sections. A class 47, 45, or even a 40 could handle the weight but could not maintain line speed.
@nearport It is typical of any Cold Diesel Engine, even in Buses. If it is cold then tthe Diesel cannot Ignite properly, therefore it is neccessary to keep it cranking over to make the heat & for the engine to start running by itself
No, the Class 55s & Class 23s used Deltic (Napier) engines. This Class 40 uses an English Electric 16-Cylinder 16SVT engine. The 40 is a Type 4, and the 55 is a Type 5!
The governor probably has heavy cold oil in it, causing the engine to "hunt" or rev, which is a common ailment in Alcos, and obviously others such as this.
yes it is turbo charged most loco engines are.the turbos however are about 10 times the size of the old milspec 2..5 toners.and they run anywhere from 3,000 to 7'000 H.P. That is the whistle that you here.
When the cylinder temperature increases and the rings start sealing off due to increasing pressures, the white smoke (unburnt diesel fuel) starts changing to black smoke as more of the injected diesel ignites. At this point, some cylinders actually start producing enough power to carry themselves, but others are still being motored. As starting continues, more cylinders kick in and the thing comes to life. What a great visceral experience to actually start these things in cold weather!
Enjoy while you can, Josephine Biden is ending all Diesel engines of every kind. To turn these cold motor takes lots of electric starting power , keep in mind, rods, cylinders, cranks etc are much bigger, , it’s slower so combustion ratio is low , the fuel puddles on the cold cylinders because of incomplete combustion, and the turbo is blocking air cause it won’t spin till the first real ignition happens and that’s when you see the first puff of smoke go from grey or blue to black. Then another puff, and another then the turbo finally spools up, and finally after 5. Minutes voila .
@@tomasneel1980 "Josephine Biden is ending all Diesel engines of every kind"
Complete BS.
@@beeble2003 Agree, he's the one that has over stayed his time.
Always loved the whistle of the fans and turbo's. Sunday was busy near my house for shunting, usually Brush and BoBo but sometimes something with a nose. I would watch for hours and stand on our bridge over the heat rising from the fans. Went to Rolls Royce at 16 and trained as a diesel engineer. Love those diesels. Thanks Dr Rudolf.
Cold start on a typical January morning in the UK.
Don`t you just love it, no mater what sort of vehicle you`re driving!
it sounds angry in the start, to early in the morning, no coffee no cigarettes, and it is chill ;-)
Sounds more like it has had way to many cigarettes.
Hejsa min Svenske broder, hilsen fra Århus Danmark
straxx99 he ain't your brother.
Just listen to those turbos, they'd win x-factor, what a sound
And you sound like an idiot
That sound and whistle!! Memories!!!!!
Hey, the video is BACK!
This is still one of my all time favourite train videos!
Many thanks for this!
Rick - USA
Youngsters seldom appreciate the sound and fury of enormous diesel engines. I was First Officer on a Danish sailing ship that had an Alpha 3 cylinder, air start, 750 rpm redline. In a pinch, t could be "push" started, or you could just start walking on the flywheel!
Pretty much exactly what I did expect
Same reaction I had. I was waiting for something to explode
I thought that light behind the exhaust outlet was flames!!
Great sound !
Not heard that whistlin' since I was at Guide Bridge back in the early 80s.
Bring back the good old days !
Thanks for the vid. Just wish I had some of all my excursions.
Guide Bridge. Awesome location. The Class 40 sound is just about the finest I know of. Quad turbo V16. How good can it get?
The sound of a Deltic brings my childhood rushing ack. I lived in England and loved to hear them go by pulling a train under load. What a sound !
This one is a Class 40 not a 55 (Deltic)
thats not a deltic its a v16 english electric class 40,
Awesome video.
Love the start and clag.
These are the real locomotives.
Excellent ! thanks for posting.
That sound of 4 Napier turbos singing is just gorgeous!
thats not a napier deltic engine, its a v16 english electric
@@paulcatley2224 Nowhere in my comment did I say that it is a Napier Deltic engine. The turbochargers are manufactured by Napier, and this engine is fitted with four of them.
That sound just makes you feel good.
Would love to experience it first hand.
We had English Electric diesels in Australia, and the South Australian Railways (SAR) had these 16 cyl 4 turbo versions in their 900 class, when maintained they started very quickly, probably in about quarter of a revolution, a great engine.
Just listen to those turbos sing!
Edited *Incorrect statement*
PantherSerpahin huh. Ok, learn something new every day.
They're definitely turbos, made by Napier. There are 4 of them, each serving 4 cylinders.
UppyJC Now I'm confused, but I have to go with you based on the sound.
TigerDude333 WTF do you mean dude? Turbos are loud and you can clearly hear them in this video.
Oh thanks man, that's an insane displacement.
Damn this engine sounds beautiful.
it's a wicked sound alright. bloody beautiful
Looks like it was holding that smoke in it's lungs for a long time!
Love the sound of those turbos.
I used to drive a fuel truck powered by a Cat 3208 which is a naturally aspirated V8. It was15 years old at the time and had spent alot of it's time idling. I would leave it running at high idle for about 15 minutes just to blow all the white smoke out of it due to oil setting in around the piston rings while it sat overnight. It ran fine once I did that. Likewise this tired old locomotive. Happy trails old friend.
Wow I first listened to this vid 12 years ago & I still love it
Ruston V16's. Same engines are installed on tugs, 'Shaldar' & 'Tirrick' where I work. I must get some video of a start up and post on here. They sound exactly like this when coming to life.
Instead of batteries, ours start with compressed air blasted into the cylinders in sequence to turn the engine, and are kept heated to a constant temperature, so fire up intantly, run smoothly, and may be put to hard work right away.
My neighbors had better be glad I can't get one of these in my back yard!
Zombie comment revival........
Just one?! 😉😁
Me too
@Triplex5014 Most diesel-electrics use the generator, some latter Alcos used an air-starter. My guess is that the first four or five tries here were done with the cylinder cocks open to prevent firing, in order to pre-lube and get possible jacket water out of the cylinders (a necessity with EMD's). When the last try comes, it fires right up. And I love it, as I said a long while ago, this beast's an Alco in quadraphonic!
that whistle on tickover brings back memories i lived next to deltic lines as a kid in the 70's
I rode behind the "Green Howards" when I first went to England in 1980, London-Hull, there was nothing like that VROOM sound they put out...a Fairbanks-Morse x three, incredible!
DONT KNOW WHY BUT I LOVE TO LISTEN TO TRAIN STARTING UP!!!
Wow! What a sight, the sound is great!
Love these Deltic engines originally designed for submarines. They are supercharged not turbocharged as some people have thought, I have worked on these engines for many years with three crankshafts, eighteen cylinders and thirty six pistons. A nightmare to work on.
Everyone seems to think they hear a turbine whine. I know they're supercharged like radial aircraft engines to get an air charge into the manifolds. I read somewhere they had turbo chargers.
That's a 40 not a Deltic
That sounds fantastic! Thanks so much for sharing, I could listen to it all day!
Either insufficient compression, not enough advance in injection timing, or, it needs glow plugs. Once warmed up, I'll bet it runs smooth as silk, and burns perfectly clean. This is undoubtedly a cold start. I have to admit, I do like the sound!
Can't rev it up till the oil warms a bit.
I love that sound, I know the smoke isn't good, but it's beautiful!
used to drive a detroit v-12 that was just as cranky. Once it started and was hunting, go inside shed and keep dogs company until it warmed up and was idling normally. Neat post.
That's exactly the sound I used to hear at the small local station near Blackpool called Layton station, when these things start sing their song you Never forget, it was great I loved it. 😊😃👉😲😎
Man, I could listen to that hunting idle for hours and not tire of it! Listen to those turbo's wake up!
Sulzer V-16 with four turbo's if I'm not mistaken.
Awesomw video. Thanks for sharing with us.
Rick - Wisconsin - USA
English electric v16 not sulzer
Sounds like a giant monster snoring when it idles lol
This whistle takes me back to Crewe in the 70's and also the North Wales Coast Line.
My mum and dad were on the beach, I was sat on Rhyl Station, brilliant.
Big static backup diesel gensets are kept warm while on standby with block heaters. Where shore power is available, I'm surprised they don't do this for loco engines (which are often the same basic engine). I've been in a room with a big V16 diesel genset and it was pleasantly warm - about blood heat. They start easily like that.
@vai2iant : Yep it is 4 stroke. It's a 247 litre V16, 4 valves per cylinder, turbocharged, diesel engine with direct injection. It produces (correct me if I'm wrong) 2000bhp at 1000rpm.
These engines were not designed to start well from cold, I believe they have a quite low compression ratio to reduce peak pressures.
Class 40 - used to drive them! Never had one this cold before thought, mega surprised the batteries weren't totally flattened.
Class 40 shows how to 'REALLY VAPE'
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The cold-morning diesel start-up procedure:
Check all fluids...
Check battery condition...
Say a prayer, ahead a tear...
Turn the switch, count to six, then engage the starting-gear!
Very pleasing when she fired up 😊
I want that for my daily commuter. The grumpy giant sound makes well worth rising 2 hours earlier every day to make for cold start.
Oh man, gotta love the sound of those turbos. I'd drive that around just to listen to them all day lol.
my friend I have NO wish to start some sort of argument going here BUT there was a feasibility study done way back in 1949ish that proved steam trains could run more efficiently and less polluting than diesels (they've actually done it in Switzerland ..true) .. If you have a valid point to make please make it BUT please there is NO need to be insulting or rude in your comments its brings you down not me and if I am a tree hugger I'm proud of it
Bless
mike clarke The diesel engine is simply more efficient about 50% & it actually pollutes less. Look up coal fly ash.
+mike clarke Terrible pollution here. These old diesel and steam engines should be cut for scrap and melted down to prevent this horrible smoke which should not be allowed in the 21st C.
heelfan1234....you have made the same comment on quite a few of these videos....Diesel is here to stay and there's nothing you can do about it.Anyway,what happens when there's a power cut or there's damage to overhead power lines due to storms or vandalism?What do they use to keep the railways running?Diesel locomotives
Yes that's true, but the cost of maintaining a steam engine far out ways the new stuff
@MSJDesign
the governor tries to maintain idle speed. the cold engine needs lots of fuel to keep running. the governor over compensates and too much fuel is injected causing the engine speed to increase beyond idle. the governor cuts the fuel to reduce the speed and overcompensates allowing the engine speed to drop too low. the cycle continues until the engine warms up and the governor can make smaller adjustments to maintain idle.
Glad to this vid back. Its an all time favorite of mine!
God I remember having to start a road full of those things on shed duty, winters morning and prep for a weeks running, still a nice engine to drive.
I had problems with my Ford Diesel. One of the plugs failed so the others timed out early. I managed to start using wife's hair-dryer directed down the air inlet. The problem is worse with Turbo charged engines because the compression press and temp before the turbo takes effect, is lower than the charged running pressure, hence the need to keep engines running especially during the cold and I guess no heater plugs.
love the "cklunck sound of a diesel engine starting when it is cold!
Those turbos are amazing.
Excellent !! amazing sound, a close second to the fab twin napier. Thx for sharing
@tpvalley Many different ring types. The only heat generated before ignition is from compression, so any cylinder not firing is low on compression, or not enough atomized fuel available to power the start. Injectors have to be spraying at high pressure, not squirting cold fuel in the cylinder. We used to motor with fuel off to build heat, then slowly open rack. Less white smoke, quicker starts. Older engines require more tricks to start!
Those turbos sounds awesome!
Grant Gilbert don't they just!
...just the sound of priming the pumps and draining the cylinders are music to my ears!
Oh my God - what a beutiful sound - music!
I'm sure there was an old Class40 in the marshalling yard at GEC Traction in Trafford Park in the early 80's. It was used as a test bed for electronics on trains of 'the futuire'
When the camera panned to the right at 2:25 and showed front of the train.... I half expected to see some dude using a crank to roll the engine over....😋
Or you'd see someone with jump leads hooking it up to a shunter
Locos engines are started by applying battery current to the generator , which then becomes a motor. I don't think large engines have glow plugs as do smaller automotive diesels. See my note to Bill Dixon re Turbo charged engines. Ignition is all about adiabatic compression temperatures and diesel fuel auto-ignition temperatures. If one doesn't exceed the other, it won't start. Because of starting difficulties the practice was to keep diesel engines running especially during cold weather.
It's a nice feeling but listening to the sound of that takes me straight back to the 1970's and my time spent dossing around Bescot with my mates, usually up to no good.
Diesen Sound liebe ich. Der Diesel Nagel vor sich hin und der Turbo jodelt.
'love the smell of diesel first thing in the morning.... it smells like....Victory!
@Mylitla Yep!, took all morning for my brain to fire on all cylinders :D
I don't know if any diesel train engines had pony starts. It's a good question. Probably before the DC traction drives, several starting methods might have been used - for example, pony motor, air start - either by auxiliary starter motor or air injection distributor. That's what big oil field diesels have used.
oh i didnt know it had four i figured it had two at the most. Im sure it quiet down at idle once the engine oil warms up like all diesels do. Thanks or the info trains are my favorite things to watch
OMG. What a beast of a machine.
it was just the nature of that particular one. this one is music to the ears.
Built in a time when silencers were for girls. Thank the Lord.
Hey...learned a good trick that we use on our Alcos, use Dexron, or ATF fluid in your governors...it's lighter and won't cause the engine to "hunt" when cold and at low RPM's!!!
How can these and the deltics be so ugly yet so beautiful to the eyes and ears. Top video. It left me in tears. I felt I was hand cranking it (the engine that is). I'm exhausted. It's such a relief when you to hear it firing on all or almost all cylinders.
I would think the lack of glow plugs would be an oversight, considering the minimal cost involved in incorporating them. Or at least some kind of ether injection to help it along...
I had a cool dream one-time that I got to restore an old locomotive that wasn't all that big, so I only kept one engine in it and changed-out its drivetrain to a Semi-truck drive system and had that as "my truck" for a while.
Weird dream, but it was cool at the time.
VW clean diesel power at work.With cheat software removed.
Yeah, because your 6L engines are better.
Engine controls by Lucas, the Prince of darkness.
Add blue
Brilliant! i had speakers up quite loud , i was kinda pretending i was stood infront of it what a great sound!
possibly, but possibly worn or even just very cold.
the white is unburned but warm diesel vapour, I suppose someone could hold a blow torch to each exhaust and burn it!
I think they smoke this much even when new though to be honest.
Diesel stinks like hell, but watching these beasts NEVER gets old!
Amazing! beautiful sounding.
Diesel Gewitter mit Turbo Jodeln. Ein Symphonie für sich.
Love the sound of EE turbos spooling up!
It's a heritage diesel, also preserved and not in day to day use on the national network.
Here's a little known diesel cold starting trick I learned in the oilfield many years ago on pony start Waukeshau's: 1. Close the rack and motor the big engine to build up cylinder heat - no injection at all for the first few tries. 2. After about 10 minutes of this (don't overheat the pony motor) you start injecting fuel. 3. Result - the big engine starts much faster.
Aah, listen to those turbo's, gotta love 'em. Any vid of this one running under load?
Those old Napier engines had bags of power but they tended to over inject so sometime you would get flames out of the exhaust
thats not a napier engine, its an ee v16
"Deltic" is greek for triangle, hence the consept of 3 cranks in a block shapped like a triangle. The Deltic engine is 2 stroke, has 18 cylinders and 36 oposing pistons. It was origonaly built to power landing craft during WW2. This is not a Deltic though, its a Class 40 with a more conventional V16 four stroke.
Geez the cameras were crappy in 2008
shut the fuck up with your spoiled ass 1080p ass
Mike B Although I don't mind it one bit, he does have a point, man. Cameras were shit in 08 unless you had $3000 to drop on one specifically for HD when it was first becoming a big thing. But again, I don't mind poor quality video.. I'm used to seeing 8 bit color from the 90's on TV and games in my young childhood.
That was a comment about the cameras from 7 years ago, not a complaint. Sorry if I offended you. Whatever.
Toms Chevelle yes, i know what the comment is about you dont need to tell me again, you dont need to compare
grate vid from a few few years a go its lke its running on fire mote desial goood to see a
classic desial running and good to see a saved loco from scrapper
I agree about the lack of heater plugs. Maybe someone with detailed knowledge may be able to help. Maybe it was a case that the engines originated in land and marine applications where starting was less of a problem. A heater plug would need a differently designed cylinder head...maybe thought too difficult.
Ether injection maybe another matter. It may cause detonation hence damage to the pistons. However I am surprised that inlet air heating was not used...a bigger version of a hair dryer.
I love the sound of these oldtimers starting up. The smoke the whine of the turbos.
beautifull sound.
@avpinstarter When the engine is cold, it revs up and down like this. Once it's warmed up, it will idle smoothly.
Cook thanks :) Man it almost looks exactly like this place over here in the states...amazing :)
i could listen to that all day.
@MrLuke6593 The leccies are too light for heavy haulage, hence needing 2x Class 86 or 87 over Shap and Beatock with heavy feightliner trains. They had the power, but not the weight and tractive effort to maintain linespeed over the hilly sections. A class 47, 45, or even a 40 could handle the weight but could not maintain line speed.
those are serious turbo loader units making this high sound, nice vid.
@nearport
It is typical of any Cold Diesel Engine, even in Buses.
If it is cold then tthe Diesel cannot Ignite properly, therefore it is neccessary to keep it cranking over to make the heat & for the engine to start running by itself
No, the Class 55s & Class 23s used Deltic (Napier) engines. This Class 40 uses an English Electric 16-Cylinder 16SVT engine. The 40 is a Type 4, and the 55 is a Type 5!
Don't know a lot about trains, but I like anything motorized. Hard for me to tell even when the thing is running on its own haha. Cool though!
The governor probably has heavy cold oil in it, causing the engine to "hunt" or rev, which is a common ailment in Alcos, and obviously others such as this.
The best English Electric by far - love the Vee 16's
yes it is turbo charged most loco engines are.the turbos however are about 10 times the size of the old milspec 2..5 toners.and they run anywhere from 3,000 to 7'000 H.P. That is the whistle that you here.