Flamin' 'GLORIOUS' 50033 cold start with flames | 28/12/2020
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- On a day where the temperature remained between -7 and -10 throughout, class 50 diesel 50033 'GLORIOUS' starts up with loads of clag and even flames at Kidderminster on the Severn Valley Railway. It is then seen making several passes under the footbridge at Kidderminster with thrash and more clag.
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Similar to an old aircraft radial engine: The individual cylinders all have a committee meeting to decide if they want to actually get up and do something. If this first stage is agreed then they have another meeting to decide who should be the first to fire, and a further meeting to decide in what order the other cylinders will join in! :P
I love it! Perfect description of how EE engines start!
beautifully poetic for this sleepy fire breathing dragon
@@mattierenton701 Of course! :D
Hah Hahahahahahaha
should have the letters at front EUEE
That starter motor deserves a raise
Ikr I was like "I need that for my rotary car"
air starter .those engines are huge
@@marcperrett662 on a classs 55? I'd be genuinely shocked if it didn't use a start winding in the traction generator
They start them with compressed air.
@@RedTideRTS No they don't
Reminds me of my neighbours old Vauxhall Viva on cold mornings back in the early 70's, the only difference being the loco eventually started!
Nothing Britain ever built ran in the cold. Or the rain. Or the fog. Or hot days. They even sold Jaguar to Tata motors, of all companies!
By the time this 50 got started, winter was almost over.
No no she’s good honest governor certified for emissions by Volkswagen and everything
👍😂😂😂😂😂.
This made my day dude lmaoooooo
Now I know clean air zone charges for cars are BS
Nur russische Dieselloks qualmen noch mehr.
What a stupid uneducated comment.
Rudolf Diesel is my favorite composer.
Mine too I have seen all his paintings
I always loved the choice of bright colours on these trains. So Seventies that no one notices how striking it looks ! Nearly as good as the Gulf colours in Le Mans racing team. But these can blow big smoke rings so are cooler. Awesome.
The fronts are painted yellow so you can see them in the distance
Por que la máquina de tren 5O O33, tardó tanto tiempo en tomar una marcha normal como para trabajar a régimen normal ???
Gracias...
I imagine the exhaust smell is magnificent!
Mmmm carcinogens.
Meanwhile at Schiphol Airport Amsterdam, extremely low visibility is announced. 🤣
Funny to read this in Rotterdam, about an engine start in the Midlands after I've lived in Bristol, and actually had delayed flights due to fog.;))
Weather forecast: greasy, with thick diesel cover. High chance of lubrication. expect extremely low visibility, fuel base is at 2 feet.
@@paavobergmann4920 🤣
It's 3 am and I am watching a locomotive starting
better than watching porn and a lot less damaging if the wife catches ya 🤣
@@oldfatbastad6053 porn is propably easier to explain
@@oldfatbastad6053porn's easier to explain.
I'm fairly certain that if HMS Glorious had 50033 Glorious starting up on her deck then Scharnhorst an Gneisenau would never have seen her. :P Absolutely mesmerizing watching her start up and a 50 in large logo, there are few things more beautiful. Thanks for the capture and upload.
Best smokescreen generator in the RN
Looks like a mini environmental disaster to me. Isn’t about time we left these things behind.
Global warmer, right there! Exhaust cleaned up well, once the engine had reached operating temperature.
Net zero😂
You're all conned by the term global warming. The world is actually getting colder. Do some research.
That 50033 has some awesome starting batteries.
They got a generator inside
What I would like to see in these video's is when the starter is shut off.
@@arthurhardy yeah and I can't even ask that question now my grandad drove trains like these but not around no more
@@arthurhardy Maybe a pony motor or an air starter. Often the generator is also the starter.
And starter motor!
always nice to hear a diesel clearing it's throat before singing
Definitely. Nice to get the passes as well.
Sounds like that one has C.O.P.D.
That is a soundtrack I will never get bored of hearing! I do love the sound of the deltics, raw power with a turbo whistle, perfect!
Almost as long as it takes to get me going! Great stuff!
The old cliched sayings were... "modern diesel's are boring... you just switch them on and off they go... not like the romance and drama of a steam loco...." etc etc..... Meanwhile 50033 simply says "hold my beer..."
Your hold my beer comment made me laugh
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Actually, on a good Sub-Zero day, modern Diesels have their own version of the same thing - just doesn't take near as long...40,000 psi fuel atomizes really well and heats the cylinder much more quickly.
@@joebond5012 and me
diesels, not diesel's
Started on World Environment Day
This should be done every year but bring out all the old steam engines and deltics. blow them out for a few hours just to piss off the Lefties.
I bet Greta was watching, secretly enjoying it.
@@AnonyMous-gt8vq I bet Greta doesn't have any opinions of her own, and just does what her psycho parents tells her :-P
@@RegulareoldNorseBoy Yep 😁
@@RegulareoldNorseBoy True😁...
4:46 look at that flame!
Beautiful. Who doesn't love a good 50 Hoover 👍
Lovely! Reminds me of a ship I used to work on - very much the same performance with a cold start. Several times we had people call the fire brigade thinking there was a fire.
My dad if he was alive would have liked this video. He was based in a Wigan locomotive shed Springs Branch. And during his career, he trained to drive 28 differing types of locomotives. This over a 44-year career training from basics to coast-to-coast advanced locomotives.
Coast to coast?
Is that the one at Springview?
This reminds me of my ex waking up in the morning, eventually started late afternoon.
Are you sure your not over him?
Looking at how difficult it was to cold-start this thing - I'm surprised they didn't have an auxiliary hydronic block heater similar to how some work trucks/vans have an auxiliary diesel heater that's designed solely to heat up the block and coolant/heater core loops. (Something like an Eberspacher D12 or a bigger brother of that)
That is a sensible idea which us British never accept
It is not that cold to have such hard start. Must be some problems with fuel or pumps or all together.
The Germans have had electric heaters in the cylinder blocks, to warm the cooling water jackets (and so the engines) before any attempt to start up in cold weather.
@@semenivanoff8615 if you look at the thing when it's "warmed up" and running, it's still blowing out to much pollution when the throttle is opened. I think they need to reset the injectors, they're running too rich.
Now, what fun would that be lol
You can leave school and start a career starting this and retire when it fires up.
Haha, best comment ever!
So why'd you drop out of school billy?
I wanted to be a train starter.
lol.....I took your advice & did what you said...& it's true ! . hehe
@@PaulLea And you can take another 40 years boring your grandchildren with the story about it.
@@martj1313 I'll spare them that agony, now I'll go & watch the grass grow now, that could be more interesting. Just kidding... I don't mind train clips but would have only used 2 mins of this footage, that's enough lol.
Glorious by name...glorious by nature.
Pops more smoke rings than Gandalf.
Literally
Reminds me of when I worked at a bus yard; we came in early the first day after Christmas break and started every bus in the fleet. Generated about that much smoke.
I'm glad we have a different understanding of a "cold" startup here in Scandinavia...
Oh what a randy scandy
I'd say this was a Diesel loco doing an impression of a steam engine!!!
It's an LGBTQRST locomotive ROFL
nope thats just its cloaking device hiding it from view
It smoked out the whole country
Yeah I thought that....
She is a regular smoker.
I worked at a small sawmill in N. California. The snow would pile up, and the only thing we had was a very old road grader that took 3 dedicated people to get it started. One pulling it with a large forklift inside a large shed, one in the drivers seat, and one hanging on for dear life spraying two full cans of ether into the intake. This was after two of us crawled under it with torches to thaw out the differentials and brake drums for a half hour. Once it was running good, it was left running the entire day.
Ether starting kills an engine, it's like drug, more you use more the engine wants, it becomes addict, till it definitively don't wants to start (rinced cylinders and dead piston rings, total loss of compression, without compression a diesel engine don't start.!
@@cletusspuckler2243 yep, it cleans cylinders clean of oil. It had been done this way since the 60's, and unless someone pulled the engine apart, its still being done this way.
@@cletusspuckler2243 yep. Either good for 3 things. Quickly hearing if an engine has ignition, last resort, battery-is-dead-this-is-the-last-spin-of-the-starter-it's-gotta-start situations, and killing cylinders.
@@cletusspuckler2243 Ether can be used for bringing a dead engine to life. When it gets to the stage where ether is needed , it's not killing the engine its getting it going when nothing else will. I had an old BMC diesel in a boat that ran for years using a shot of ether to get it going. The engine was what most people would call dead anyway but I kept it going for years with a little ether.
It would run fine all day once started and you could pull in at a dock, turn it off and start it easily an hour later once it was warm. Ether was one of my best friends.
One word to describe this, magnificent!
Diesel's in the air, everywhere i look around.
Diesel's in the air, every sight and every sound.
And i don't know if i'm be foolish.
Don't know if i'm wise...
I’m watching this and reminiscing about my commute from Didcot to Paddington, late 1970/1990s. The transition to HST 125 era. Wow! I never thought about how difficult it could be to start diesel locomotives. I’ve also seen a King, 6024?, whose tender was so full that if another lump of coal was put on, the lot would have gone. It was going to Bristol as a stand in for another steam locomotive that had failed. Happy days.
I know of a story which happend in (West) Germany. They ran extra Express trains from (iirc) the Ruhr erea to the coast in the holiday / vacation season. They ran 2 full sets (with added help) to the coast and one double length (now empty) back. But on one trip, the second engine broke, but they still had to run the train. So a single 01 class had to do the job (on a very thight schedule, even under normal sircumstances). They had boards which increased the coal capacity. Only adding one in height was allowed, they used two and still put a hump on it. They actually had to leave a notch in the coal to clear the overhead wires. (It was the transition era from coal to diesel/electric power)
They still run em on the cross country line from oxford to coventry.
Oh nice one.
One of these mighty engines led our train from Paddington London to Plymouth Devon back in 1980.
5 yrs later it was the Intercity 125 engin.
Thank you for sharing you have brought back some good memories.
My dad just loved all of this.
P.S have you ever witnessed one of these fireing up in a station like Paddington
Absolutely 💯Amazing it was
The wise said 'cold start diesels sre the way forward'! However to old class 52 Westerns had a preheater boiler to heat the fuel and then away they go, trouble is you have to run the preheater for a quite a while. The good old Hoovers never disappoint!! I bet those battery leads were GLOWING....
I had a Mercedes 300D with 400k+ miles on it, this is basically what winter mornings sounded like.
Never would I imagine that watching a train start would have me PINNED TO THE SCREEN! Them batteries!
Lead acid POWER. Non of that lithium rubbish.
@@digitalradiohacker Your comment betrays your ignorance; lithium ion batteries can have a power density five times as high as lead acid.
Different batteries just have different preferred applications based on their strengths and weaknesses.
Isn't it started via a generator not batteries.
@@IstasPumaNevada
Idiot. Lithium can't be charged at or below 0c.
Next time you attempt to school an electronics engineer on electronics, make sure you've actually BEEN to school.
@@geoffers158
With preserved gear it probably usually is. The engine won't be started as often as would be ideal, and as a result, a battery bank would quickly age with this kind of use.
It makes far more sense to bring an engine online with a generator instead.
The EE 16 cylinder makes a unique sound .it’s a different sound to v12s in the 37s. Love the turbo whistle as well.
This is the comment I was looking for, trying to find out what monster it's was, 16 cylinder wow thankyou 👍🏼
Sweeeeeeeeet! I tried to recreate this on my OO layout…but all that happened is the smoke alarms went off, the spare room looked like stars in there eyes and the wife didn’t speak to me for a week!
Bad wife 😆😇
@@goranschmidt3543 Lol, you had a week of peace then!!!
😆
Worth it 100%
Don’t know why, but what an awesome sound that is. One would stop and sit idle outside my flat. That sound puts me to sleep. Nice video 👍
Who else can just smell that heavy damp smoke right now eh......????
How gorgeous..... 👍👍👍👍
I can!!!
I just love the smell of diesel smoke on a cold morning!
I don’t know why but this is music to my ears.
You'd like to hear a wonderful deep bass sound of Soviet and Russian 2ТЭ10 series loco with 2-stroke 10Д100 engine. Also they're often show the fantastic exhaust smoke. They are Greta's strongest nightmare!😁
Diesel Band techno music ! 😂
AWESOME!
I love trains. Had several model trains as a kid. Rode a few in my life.
Once rode from Chicago all the way to Texas. I even rode a steam engine a couple times.
I was searching for diesel and accidentally found this.
A few days ago I learned the block heater on my Jeep with diesel engine had given up the ghost.
It was -10 that day and I needed to run some errands. Yikes, when she started it sounded like a metal coffee can with a bunch of ball bearings getting shook up. Made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I was about to shut it off when it quieted and revved up a bit.
My dad drove delivery truck for a company back in the late 40's. It had a diesel engine. They had a small auxiliary tank with half diesel, half gasoline. They had a valve to switch to the small tank if it didn't want to start up. A guy would have his hand on the valve and switch to main tank as soon as she lit up. Not sure how that affected its longevity but it might be easier on the engine than ether.
Me gusta la fuerza y el sonido de los motores de esta maquina. 🇨🇱
Takes me back to 1975 and the Hastings DEMU's erupting out of the Bopeep tunnel into St. Leonard's Warrior Square station.
Great video, thanks to the guys/girls around the country who maintain our heritage locos, I would love to be there. When I was 16 I was offered an apprenticeship at Gateshead TMD but I turned the job down for something else, which I regret, with rose tinted spectacles on of course!!
As a young lad going on holiday to Folkestone, at Ashford our train was hitched to a diesel engine. The railway guys told my dad this was the first time a diesel loco was used to pull a passenger train. Whatever, it was exciting
Spent my youth on Plymouth Railway Station the sound of the Hoover is ingrained into my mind lovely.
6:22 .........."Bugger it, I'll walk....."
What a glorious video, thanks for uploading 👏🏻
This 50 should be called "Stoner" than "Glorious" Smoke, Sound and Flames are dope!
not "started" but rather "awakened"
What a sight to behold that is! Very exciting stuff, defiantly need to make a trip to Kidderminster one day.
Love watching English Electric cold starts. Never gets old!
I love the sound of diesel engines starting up and running at full speed ❤❤❤❤❤
Nice sounding diesel. Love to hear the turbo whine up.
Block heaters are a wonderful thing. A few KW of block heaters would save a lot on battery, starter and engine wear. All that unburnt fuel is washing down the cylinder walls and diluting the engine oil until the engine runs cleanly.
That engine is making some good smoke rings that’s cool.
Come back to this
One of my favourite RUclips clips❤
Great to see such a Outstanding class 50 collection at the svr, These powerful engines just can't reach max power for long on there restricted speed line and just 16mls, I guess they are lucky that they can access the main line at times for a open throttle, keep up the good work guys,.
Indeed. 50007 & 50049 were out on the mainline just last week. For the class 50s at 50 in 2018, there were 10 members of the class together which is also on my channel if you’re interested.
Cold start indeed! Somewhere there's a switch for a set of block-heaters and glow-plugs that never gets switched on.
Users must reed the locomotive owner's manual 😂
*sees a 13 minute cold start video* “what in the hell is even that?”
Glorious was known as ‘Smokey Joe’ when she was stabled at Laira in the Network Southeast days.
Some things never change.
How good do the class engines sound ... heavenly music to my ears🎵🎶🎵🎶👂🏽👂🏽💕💕👌
This is the cool thing about RUclips, had never considered that watching a train cold start might be interesting, dedicated camera work
Amazing. I always remember spotting Swiftsure with my late father as a lad. The sound is so reminiscent
I want one! I’d be starting it up and revving it up every day ! 😁
I have vivid memories of the 'Hoovers' tearing through Surbiton at 80mph and accelerating up the grade towards New Malden!!!!!
I love when the smoke creates like smoke circles
My Atkinson with 220 Cummings in the '70s winter used to fill Deptford Wharf with white smoke smoke! I still got the diesel smell with me
I really love to see those old smoke belching diesels cranking on cold days! Really enjoy watching them snort fire and blow smoke rings!
Mostly water vapor.
@@PCMenten Thanks for sharing that with us! The trails behind high flying aircraft is also water vapor that freezes at that high altitude. It’s called contrails.
Lovely video, thanks for sharing.
Those turbo's whistling, better than any band alive
turbos, not turbo's
@@michaelanderson7715 Ok Dad 🤣
@@michaelanderson7715 tell keyboads that mate my phones back on putting ' everywhere even with correction off its doing it now. Cannot believe you pulled someone up for that, you're a sad human make zero mistake about it if you're pulling someone up for that. What a pellet of a boy
They are superchargers whistling
Superchargers that's problem cant get engine going fast enough for superchargers to push air in, these two stroke deisel cannot suck enough air in on own to push exhaust gasses out quick enough
A GOOD DEMONSTRATION of Exactly WHY yard masters leave locomotives idling unused, for days at a time! I was a teenager when I first saw a locomotive shooting flames 12 or 15 feet into the air!
Better idea is to put a heating system or APU on the loco so it can be ready to go without constantly burning through fuel and pissing off the neighbors.
@@SynchronizorVideos
When you live close to a freight station, you know you'll have diesel engine noises... If they hate diesel noises, pissed neighbors must move away !!
Reminds me of firing up an oil fired rayburn after the summer... only the Rayburn took 2 hours and the only noise was me shouting and cursing
Beautiful train !
Love the smoke rings that occasionally pop out.
this happens because the compression pressure of the cylinders is a bit low, and.of course, Compression pressure may be different in the cylinders the fuel need to burn at least 550 degree celsious. the air go to the cylinders very cold and at the PMS didnt go to the 550 degree. The starter need running a lot of time to reach this temperature and begin to run. the main engine have different compression pressure in his cylinders.The clag is fuel vaporizates as spray, very flammable. this generates the flames seen in the video. a little spark may ingnite the clag. with modern engines this is minimum. If this loco may have a preheater the start would be easy. the first minutes not all the cylinders run,start only with one, later with two and more cylinders work minutes later..
Compression is the "blood" of a diesel engine.!!
It isn't the ratio.That is the calculated ratio between the volumes of air at bottom dead centre and top dead centre including the combustion chamber volume in the head and piston crown.
What this engine has is lowered actual compression due to worn piston rings. pistons and cylinder walls.It was common in Britain to see these things in use, warmed up, making LOTS of blue smoke from lube oli being burned due to such wear.
@@ianrutherford878 Funny, the first things I thought were: Low compression due to piston ring wear, or very rough tolerences. Then I thought a pre-heater wlould be good for the crap. Or keeping them inside the depot on winter nights.
What we saw here was incompetance and disrespect for the environment in general, and for the local people's health in particular.
Unfathomable why some educated leader doesn't come along, saying "Guys, guys guys, just stop right now, we can't have this. This machine needs maintenance, it's not allowed to drive". -
@@MeBallermanstupid comment :-/
@@EE16SVT No, it's a mature comment from someone with clearsight.
Wonderful! Sounded just like a steam engine at times. I'm starting to see what the diesel enthusiasts see in these dirty, noisy things!
Starting to see ? It's awesome
The train that passed at the end goes up to blackdown where I live
Transportation. They see transportation. Not worse than electric trains..m powered by coal generators
Gas turbine engine
Love these old trains they had so much Heart ❤
That could be helped by intake heaters and possibly an external blower as well since the mixtures are set to have the turbo spooling and it doesn't do that until enough cylinders get the hint.
Brings back memory's starting class 37 locos during my freight driving days .
About my tenth time watching........ just fantastic sight and sounds! A very "gentle" start too , the guys waited a while before giving it some rack...nice job.
Gregg :-)
I’m glad you like and enjoy it enough to watch it that many times. Much appreciated. Hopefully we will see it out in action a bit more throughout the year.
I was an Engineer back in the 80's and went down the Amazon River. A Dehavland Beaver seaplane brought me in and out. Took a while to warm up that engine but once it was, it purred like a litten
What a glorious machine!
Got to be the best cold start ever, the sound is awesome
Farts sound infinitely better than diesel locomotives
@@PSYCHIC_PSYCHO Smells about the same too
I can remember collecting all 50 Class when 50006 Neptune came through. I was 13 years old now I'm 56!
1 of the best Cold starts of all time 🇬🇧🇬🇧👍👍
Some beautiful smoke rings at 3:23! Incidentally, how big are the starter batteries on one of these? A million amp hours?
I was interested in this too, so went and looked some of it up. These engines are so big they usually have a separate generator using fuel to run the starter. It can either be an electric generator providing power to run an electric starter motor, or it might be powering an air compressor to force air through the pistons and start it pneumatically, so in theory they could run a starter for hours I guess. Clever solution :)
@@AthanImmortalno other starter-motor ! there are only 1 or 2 cyl. running, the rest is lazy - wake up later !
Interesting that during the design of these engines they thought this was a better way of starting from cold than adding block heaters
As a rule BR never allowed engines to get cold thus avoiding cold starts.
@@100gpdriver Because of this poor design (even for late 1960's) "BR never allowed engines to get cold..". It's alway possible to add blockheaters afterwards or upgrade.
I wonder what the compression ratio is?
@@100gpdriver
Good idea ! : restarting a cold engine, burns more fuel than letting it idleling all day long..
Fantastic shine on the paintwork too, '33 looks immaculate compared to the last time I saw it in the flesh. Great video.
Brilliant just to see the old girl running again
Always nice to build up oil pressure 264 seconds without combustion.
That's mechanical empathy.
Edit: Also the most adorable amount of smoke rings!
Brilliant ! Remember them coming into the station at Basingstoke .
1:08 - Who ever said a Diesel couldn't look and sound like a steam engine...... :) - Excellent video, and one of the best cold start vids on YT !
Ha. Best of both worlds. Thank you.
Sounds like a loco from the RHDR
# that is gust British engines
EE cold starts are entertaining still after seeing them almost from the start of YT.
aye laddie.
I have developed a peculiar habit of watching these videos and then rewatching them at 2x speed....
That’s pretty interesting actually. I might try it on my own video. Would you be interested if I uploaded a 2X or 4x speed version on here?
Yes absolutely :D@@TJBRoadRailRacing
Beautiful machine.
Any wonder why during BR days we left them running all night in the winter on frost precautions.
sam stainer Well, I must admit I've always thought diesels were boring compared to steam trains, but good grief (!) this wasn't boring ! I think from now on, I'm going to have to pay them more respect.
I recall that happening way past the BR era
They didn't glaze cylinder walls that way?
@@jetstream454 good point, I have only heard of that phenomenon but not witnessed it. The resultant lack of compression and efficiency would have lead to even greater difficulty cold starting.
@James Smith I spent a while at marsh junction around 2000. I remember arriving to find the area was full of diesel smog because the hst been running all night.
Nearly as much smoke as the average diesel Range Rover, when it purges...
Totally relaxing...goodnight 😴
I am always amazed at the ability of the battery and starter to crank the cold engine continuously for 60 seconds or more without bursting into flames. Diesel engines in passenger cars have glow plugs to enable a quick engine-friendly start even in the cold. Do the engines in locomotives not have glow plugs, or are they just defective?