Should Our Partners Go to Hell for Us? Exploring Relationship Expectations | Cam Newton & Dr. Bryant

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  • Опубликовано: 26 окт 2024

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  • @evaphillips2102
    @evaphillips2102 Месяц назад +37

    As a mom of a young son, men like Cam Newton becoming an influence on him is my worst effing nightmare.

  • @butterflyygyrlsworld5106
    @butterflyygyrlsworld5106 Месяц назад +154

    “People listen to me, so I must be saying helpful stuff “ 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @lemonlime1192
    @lemonlime1192 Месяц назад +137

    That exact part hit me and I said “this is EXACTLY why he’s the chauvinist that he is.” SMDH men like Cam always twist up the intention of their elders advice. OR they take the terrible advice and run with it.
    Cam has likely watched his father put his mother through HELL and she just continually stuck around and through it. She probably SHOULD HAVE left but that was a different time era. Women couldn’t just leave. They were very much dependent on men for financial support.
    Cam now believes if a woman isn’t willing to put up with any and everything he puts out, she isn’t worthy and doesn’t truly love him. Smdh he’s a lost cause

    • @musicneurons7807
      @musicneurons7807 Месяц назад +6

      THIS. B/c it's very possible that Mama Cam doesn't have the language to express what she conveyed in creating a home and family for him.
      'My dad is the only man she knew'. Cam! I'm sure she has feelings and lessons outside of your father and her parents. And your wandering eye sure as hell didn't learn how to commit to a spouse.

    • @XsweetstarliteX
      @XsweetstarliteX Месяц назад +6

      and this is why he and nick look for women who would be financially dependent on them.

    • @Far7rom
      @Far7rom Месяц назад

      @XsweetstarliteX only 1% of black women have nick cannon money.. if he was only looking for women who could keep up with him financially he would be very single... we dont care about your money.. even guys at my level who make 250k.. and up.. we dont care what you make.

    • @Far7rom
      @Far7rom Месяц назад

      @@lemonlime1192 black man bad... got it.

  • @WillieFordham
    @WillieFordham Месяц назад +106

    Shannon said and I quote “I’m NOT going to hell over Jared!” 😂😂

    • @Far7rom
      @Far7rom Месяц назад +1

      Smart man.

  • @feliciacooper4630
    @feliciacooper4630 Месяц назад +124

    He said; "My dad is the only man my mom knows..." I had questions: 1. Is your mom the only woman your dad knows? 2. Is your mom the only woman your dad (Pastor Newton) knows "intimately" DURING their long-lasting marriage? 3. Why would a 1st lady/pastor's wife want to go to hell for anyone or any sense of the term?

    • @AJ-gd1ww
      @AJ-gd1ww Месяц назад +23

      My response to, "My dad is the only man my mom knows..." was, "that you know of".

    • @amanda-kathleenseefane7549
      @amanda-kathleenseefane7549 Месяц назад +6

      God would never ask us to go to hell for Him, darn it, he sent Jesus to earth so we don't have to go to hell. So why would he want us to go through hell for men?

    • @evaphillips2102
      @evaphillips2102 Месяц назад +1

      @@amanda-kathleenseefane7549 very eloquent point

    • @yakemalatyfa6575
      @yakemalatyfa6575 Месяц назад +1

      😂😂😂😂😂these people are maddddd

  • @zee-zm1io
    @zee-zm1io Месяц назад +73

    A man who says this is planning to put you through hell

    • @missmack2328
      @missmack2328 Месяц назад

      When men put you through hell its so you can prove your love

  • @ariesreality
    @ariesreality Месяц назад +104

    Cam seems to be a man who constantly test his partners to see how much they can take because to him that is love. Also, he believes the women he gets is only with him because of his money so now he will punish you.

    • @evaphillips2102
      @evaphillips2102 Месяц назад +2

      I think he’s punishing women for being weak because he saw his mom let his dad drag her through the mud. She never stood up for herself in her marriage and that traumatized him.

    • @lemonlime1192
      @lemonlime1192 Месяц назад +2

      @@evaphillips2102 but then he turns around and gaslights and acts as if he thinks that’s the ultimate show of love when he really resents her for it. He’s not ok. He’s very twisted.

    • @evaphillips2102
      @evaphillips2102 Месяц назад

      @@lemonlime1192 not everyone’s trauma makes them a more sensitive or aware person 🤷🏾‍♀️

  • @alliec.6543
    @alliec.6543 Месяц назад +26

    This is why I place such a HEAVY emphasis on community and people think/call me crazy. We place too much emphasis on romantic relationships. It's not NORMAL nor healthy for your partner to be your everything, your end all be all that's not fair to do to anybody. People should really do the work to have a healthy community and support BEFORE they go look for relationships because by the time they're looking for a partner, their cup is so filled the last thing you'll do is settle for less than because you don't need them in your life, you WANT them in your life. [big difference]

    • @Far7rom
      @Far7rom Месяц назад +1

      Too bad most women move on love.. and love of lifestyle... but you're different.

    • @evaphillips2102
      @evaphillips2102 Месяц назад +2

      @@alliec.6543 I learned the phrase “The Nuclear Family is cancer.” It’s not supposed to be mom dad and two point five kids alone against the world, we’re supposed to have grandparents and friends and aunts and uncles we can depend on.

    • @applejackzo
      @applejackzo Месяц назад

      Completely agree.

    • @Far7rom
      @Far7rom Месяц назад

      @evaphillips2102 that's what cam has.. a village. He kids of his own.. and he has adopted children.. and all his children live with him. In wealth...and he has a solid extended family of married elders.. And black women are calling his family broken.....

  • @justdruofficial
    @justdruofficial Месяц назад +5

    The light on him 🫠😂😂😂 That interview had me walking around the house speaking to myself and rebuking things😭😂

  • @KeishaCharmaine
    @KeishaCharmaine Месяц назад +32

    Damn… I heard many takes from that interview but this one was different and needed as well, you ate.

    • @Far7rom
      @Far7rom Месяц назад

      Yeah we need a feminist take on men.. yeah.. we need that.

  • @ginahouston9352
    @ginahouston9352 Месяц назад +43

    your favorite part is also my favorite part... she explained it SO clearly, with an example that was totally relevant and understandable..... she's a Psychology Queen!

  • @svnsknz
    @svnsknz Месяц назад +9

    His mom is preaching and encouraging struggle love. She can keep that 😂

  • @MissUnderstoodOfficial
    @MissUnderstoodOfficial Месяц назад +23

    Love, love LOVED you speaking on this. This reminds me of ages ago when you spoke on unconditional love and something you can develop contextually if nothing ever comes up to challenge that feeling towards a person, I really think it is contingent on the person but what we should never do is have unconditional LOYALTY which is what a lot of these emotional terrorist men really want from their women. A man who feels entitled to hurt you in any way and jeopardise your safety whether that is mentally, emotionally or physically is not a person safe to be in community with, never mind be linked to as a life partner. Huge difference between going through the mud together vs bodyslamming you into the mud and sliding through all other unknown and unfavourable substances amongst mud too as a result. Loving seeing you back Shan even if it's just for the moment 🙏🏾

  • @nancerod7193
    @nancerod7193 Месяц назад +35

    Life is hell why would any woman want a man that takes her to hell? He actually saying I want to do whatever I want even if I hurt you through that process hence “go to hell”.

    • @Catina28
      @Catina28 Месяц назад

      Depends on how u r defining he'll but outside of abuse chances r u will be temporarily dragged to hell and bk in ure relationships. There will be the hell internally wen u work to change aspecta of ureself and your relationship. U will feel it before u even decide to leave.

  • @rosamoreno4794
    @rosamoreno4794 Месяц назад +36

    Cam Newton has lived a privileged life and is too far gone…..he needs to grow up. God allows suffering for all of us. His time is coming, it will humble you.

    • @johnnybrison4150
      @johnnybrison4150 Месяц назад

      Yes but it goes for women too . Why do yall act like idiots. Just because a woman tells a man the truth it does not take responsibility from idiots like u

    • @Far7rom
      @Far7rom Месяц назад

      He's exactly where he needs to be.. he lives his life.. by his terms.. most men live their lives by their wives terms. And they are usually miserable. Cam is happy.. rich as fk.. famous.. has a long list of women far more attractive and educated than you in his dms right now.. why would he change.. the only people that need to change are your sisters.. because without their preference for him, and men like him, He would be forced to change.
      But yall dont wannt sip that coffee.

    • @rosamoreno4794
      @rosamoreno4794 Месяц назад +3

      @@Far7rom Cam is more broken and lonely than he portrays, he is becoming soulless. May he RIP. Plus, I got my Masters degree in 2022, my education doesn’t matter, what matters is that I am NOT a Ho’, gold digger, unscrupulous, or willing to steal a family from a child. It’s called standards. Life is short, but your dog or die alone.

  • @jmapa998
    @jmapa998 Месяц назад +10

    That's why having a real community matter not just paid staff.

  • @pizzaraia1040
    @pizzaraia1040 Месяц назад +12

    I have to come back to watch this properly but YESSSS!!! Please, drag these men (respectfully) because there’s no way they are moving through society with these mindsets AND sharing it as if it’s gospel !!!

  • @SolCareMimi
    @SolCareMimi Месяц назад +3

    Shan I’m grateful around 4:00 mark you expressed Cameron as rude in his interactions with Dr. B. I saw so many men who’s opinions I generally respect on their platforms mostly agree with Dr. B however commending Cam for not being rude and actually complimented him for displaying respect, tolerance and courage. It help me recognize how much indignation, contempt, judgement mildly suppressed is culturally acceptable by men in ways I see acceptable in many professional settings especially corporate. Even if you can feel the depth of the true emotions covered with a smile or disguised with science we are conditioned to accept people at their words or lack there of and not their energy. Safety of people are at jeopardy because these are the red flags that victim blamers dismiss as respectful. Lastly I’m glad that offering Jasmine a safe place to discuss her partnership you were objective in responding to this. This is what I hoped for after the KeKe situation when I previously commented. I respect however your response about that relationship being more personal to you. If you haven’t had an episode (I don’t believe you have) on intimidate partner violence it would be much appreciated. The professional you discussing the nuance of the all types and not simply physical or the most extreme cases would be amazing. I believe we need to hear more how power can shift over time and situationally, that once safe doesn’t mean eternally safe- so how what are systems to be regularly evaluating what type of relationship we’re participating. ❤

  • @kena9425
    @kena9425 Месяц назад +8

    Shan. You ate with this. That’s all I have to say.

  • @ufomechanic11
    @ufomechanic11 Месяц назад +18

    Love Shannon’s dialogue

  • @saphire2214
    @saphire2214 Месяц назад +35

    Marketing struggle love is big in the black community. It’s promoted in movies and passed down especially in the church. No thank you!

    • @tondaniraluswinga2590
      @tondaniraluswinga2590 Месяц назад +4

      So true. but as a black women I choose to reject some of it. But I love being a black women

  • @noluthandomajola2567
    @noluthandomajola2567 Месяц назад +3

    More of these please!! 👏🏾

  • @ChrisTheAspergerGuy
    @ChrisTheAspergerGuy Месяц назад +15

    I've found that any relationship advice given by a religious fanatic should be ignored entirely.

    • @lrs1519
      @lrs1519 Месяц назад +2

      Immediately

    •  Месяц назад +3

      I'm Christian and was immediately triggered by that piece of advice... why would any Christian knowingly drag you to literal hell 😭😭😭

  • @emilybusby6922
    @emilybusby6922 Месяц назад +10

    “People listen to me, so I must be saying helpful stuff.” Damn, that’s powerful. That delusion is so rampant these days.

  • @Wisdomtree383
    @Wisdomtree383 Месяц назад +10

    No you shouldn’t go to hell for your partner . Wife , husband , boyfriend, girlfriend, are different roles stay in the role that you are in at that time, don’t be a girlfriend and do wife stuff, don’t be a boyfriend and do husband stuff.

  • @gracefulgardenia7713
    @gracefulgardenia7713 Месяц назад +3

    He believes he is paying for the right to abuse women.

  • @chidenisee
    @chidenisee Месяц назад +4

    That sound like his momma got abused and stayed. My momma left my father on another dang continent. My grandma left my cheating ass grandpa. Heck my great grandma left my rolling stone great grandpa. I grew up with an amazing step grand dad and an awesome stepdad who is an amazing grandpa to my son. I am not going to hell for know one. Neither will my son.

  • @VashtiPerry
    @VashtiPerry Месяц назад

    5:43 that analogy I love ❣️

  • @gracefulgardenia7713
    @gracefulgardenia7713 Месяц назад +1

    Some people would literally rather go to hell than to heaven. I love that for you. Toodaloo.

  • @billiedoesbeats
    @billiedoesbeats Месяц назад +3

    I always thought this guy was off. Something always off about him.

  • @raemahhenderson1602
    @raemahhenderson1602 Месяц назад

    I love Shan and her intelligence, her commentary is always spot on

  • @jonmaclin8344
    @jonmaclin8344 Месяц назад

    This was a VERY amazing video. Every last word.

  • @SelfcareForTheMind
    @SelfcareForTheMind Месяц назад +9

    That man just trying to go viral

  • @marymyatt3004
    @marymyatt3004 Месяц назад

    Thank you QUEEN SHAN!!!!

  • @oskartgrouch8757
    @oskartgrouch8757 Месяц назад

    See 3:50-4:01. Truest thing i think ive ever heard about relationships

  • @iam_mrs.taylor
    @iam_mrs.taylor Месяц назад +12

    Question: Maybe Cam Newton's mom doesn't mean the literal hell, but going through tough times. Life can be challenging and the partner you have during those times can make a difference. In relationships a question would be: Do you have a partner you are willing to go through hard times like job loss or health scares?

    • @foreverpringle
      @foreverpringle Месяц назад +38

      That's not hell, that's just tough times. Hell is abusive

    • @julie-mt2xr
      @julie-mt2xr Месяц назад +13

      If you watch the whole interview that's not how he framed it

    • @iam_mrs.taylor
      @iam_mrs.taylor Месяц назад +1

      @@foreverpringle I was questioning the term of Hell and not taking the literal definition. Words can be used figuratively

    • @shanboody
      @shanboody  Месяц назад +28

      I agree I also think to the point I made maybe halfway through we should also clarify what going through a hard time with someone looks like. Does that mean the expectation is that we're in the storm WITH them or we identify an expert and help in ways that are within our genuine capacity and expertise. With great friends for example there's an expectation that you'll accompany them at necessary points but not necessarily every step of the way. It's obviously different when you share more than just a bond (e.g. finances, kids, a bed) so I'm curious about the middle ground

    • @fionaodak2583
      @fionaodak2583 Месяц назад +9

      The same way he thinks is how my mother and aunts think.The glorification of struggle love is so scary.Sometimes,I lose hope.

  • @anissa2361
    @anissa2361 Месяц назад +3

    I'm not going to hell for nobody!

  • @tonitonitoni84
    @tonitonitoni84 Месяц назад +2

    He must have misinterpreted his mom’s statement.I can’t see a God fearing woman saying this. No one is worth going to hell for. In life or death 😅

  • @naturallybeautiful9109
    @naturallybeautiful9109 Месяц назад

    YOU ARE BRILLIANT

  • @RyzeQueen
    @RyzeQueen Месяц назад

    Girl, you ate in this video 👏🏽👏🏽

  • @thatgirlfiggy
    @thatgirlfiggy Месяц назад +6

    Love this!!!

    • @johnnybrison4150
      @johnnybrison4150 Месяц назад +1

      Do u love holding yourself accountable. Why are women so happy when a stranger is being told something but won't check themselves about their life. Yall need to grow tf up

    • @thatgirlfiggy
      @thatgirlfiggy Месяц назад +4

      @@johnnybrison4150 I absolutely do LOVE holding myself accountable and I appreciate when others hold me accountable because I'm definitely someone who holds others and myself accountable. Holding yourself accountable allows you to level up. Self reflection is how I upgrade

    • @spongebobcirclepants3843
      @spongebobcirclepants3843 Месяц назад

      Your answer was so classy bro didn’t even have a comeback😂

  • @LeahConsuelo
    @LeahConsuelo Месяц назад

    Eat em up babes 👏🏽👏🏽

  • @MIHAELABURLANESCU
    @MIHAELABURLANESCU 25 дней назад

    Nobody whats to go to hell, but, for sure we (husband & wife) we’ll go to the same place.

  • @amw7828
    @amw7828 Месяц назад +1

    Love is H@ll; naw I’m good on becoming elderly and alone🤣

  • @VashtiPerry
    @VashtiPerry Месяц назад +1

    The answer to the question is no ❤. 0:59 NUTS 🥜 that why im deconstructing right now. Because thats the culture.
    Also deconstructed from hip hops version of this culture aka ride or die.
    Um no. Never.
    We grow together not indefinitely cause each other to suffer.

  • @_yesjas
    @_yesjas Месяц назад +1

    South Fulton’s finest 😂🤦🏽‍♀️

  • @ambrianeshay6275
    @ambrianeshay6275 Месяц назад

    Have you read “the queens code”? Are are familiar with Allison a Armstrong.

  • @HB-md8ly
    @HB-md8ly Месяц назад +2

    Thank you Shan for offering this reframing! I too watched the interview and have spent much time reflecting on it. It really pains me to say this about another Black Woman, but some of what Dr Bryant said isn't psychologically sound. I think it is important to be critical of the Western and Eurocentric framing of much of Clinical Psychology. However what Dr Bryant appears to be offering is folk psychology, which is often observed when psychology meets TV entertainment. Esther Perel and Dr Orna Guralnik excellent (Couples Therapy series) are the only exceptions to this I have recently observed - whom both are exemplary! Is there anything wrong with folk psychology being presented as clinical psychology??? I think so - my concern relates to the perception and take aways people watching, especially in the Black Community will experience/have. I truly enjoy supporting members of my community and watching them thrive - we all win. But I have found this concerning professionally. I hope that we all may remain reflective of the clinical aspects and ethical responsibility of our work - not allowing them to be sacrificed in the name of entertainment. I am all for widening psychological lenses - may be if practising in a different field, appropriately name the model/approach.

    • @spongebobcirclepants3843
      @spongebobcirclepants3843 Месяц назад

      Elaborate I’m curious as to why you think her arguments are not sound

    • @DianaMitchell-xu3ii
      @DianaMitchell-xu3ii Месяц назад +2

      Plz share how you define Folk Psychology and give an example or two. I very much want to move in the direction of building a psychologically sound relationship with myself and my partner.

  • @Catina28
    @Catina28 Месяц назад

    I don't kno. I fell I understand the mom's sentiment but I also think she meant it different to how I understand it. Older women have a tendency to put up with a lot of shite and think that is wat is expected of them in marriage. This teaching is from the bible which says a woman should never divorce so they must suffer through everything to prove they r good Christians. God will support them 🙄.
    But for me I don't take of that far. I think too many relationships end today because people want to feel good all the time, their heaven, and r ready to run if it becomes unbalance at any time, their hell. They never stick around enough to find out if it is short term or think short term will be 1 week 👀. In addition humans also r avoiding going through the 'hell' of their own inner loves during that time. One that is needed to create change for them and their Relationships. Needless to say, we all have different Interpretations but I think there is some value to the statement worth exploring.

    • @GoldenGlam95
      @GoldenGlam95 Месяц назад +2

      That is not what the Bible says actually! If you read the Bible you’ll know that the kind of husband God wanted for us isn’t one that will drag us to hell or treat us in a manner that is devaluing. Now how men have behaved thinking they need to test women and women allowing it by not understanding or actually reading the Bible for themselves is different! What the Bible ACTUALLY says is that a man should love his wife like Christ loves the church, that he should lay his life down for her, he should provide, love his wife like he loves himself, honor your wife etc.

    • @WilliamsPinch
      @WilliamsPinch Месяц назад

      The Bible doesn’t say that though. It’s clear on how spouses are to treat one another.

  • @kellirai35
    @kellirai35 Месяц назад

    I have to admit I’m a little disappointed with this interpretation by Shan. I am normally a huge fan I love your Chanel but out if everything that was said during that 2 hour conversation you found necessary to discuss is what his mother said about her relationship with his father, but didn’t address how that may have affected how he sees relationships himself is a disappointment. I think your response to this was very safe.

  • @marieluise6907
    @marieluise6907 Месяц назад

    ❤❤❤

  • @EdwardSanchezProductions
    @EdwardSanchezProductions Месяц назад +4

    Sometimes you got to keep your expectations low

    • @shanboody
      @shanboody  Месяц назад +7

      explain!

    • @EdwardSanchezProductions
      @EdwardSanchezProductions Месяц назад

      @@shanboody in order to keep yourself from feeling disappointed

    • @saphire2214
      @saphire2214 Месяц назад +12

      @@EdwardSanchezProductions Actually you should do the opposite. Raise your expectations for what YOU deserve, make and communicate clear boundaries, and never betray yourself or your boundaries by allowing someone to treat you any kind of way. Always be willing to walk away from what doesn’t serve you. When you center yourself, you won’t disappoint yourself.

    • @musicneurons7807
      @musicneurons7807 Месяц назад

      so I THINK there's a Buddhist principle that says 'expectation is the thief of joy'. I don't think that's the same as having low expectations. Imo.

    • @gracefulgardenia7713
      @gracefulgardenia7713 Месяц назад

      @@saphire2214 Yes Queen.

  • @TremelJackson
    @TremelJackson Месяц назад

    Relationships are not worth fighting for no matter where it's going

  • @Noir_Nouveau
    @Noir_Nouveau Месяц назад

    Partnering with people has more to do with serving our insecurities as opposed to bringing out the best version of ourselves.

  • @athomewithtroy1690
    @athomewithtroy1690 Месяц назад +2

    Jesus never said anyone was worth going to hell he died so we didnt have to🫣
    What a dysfunctional mindset