Ryan was the only one in this conversation MAN enough to call a spade a spade. Just becuz Cam & Nick can afford to provide for these children, that doesn't make it in any way...OK. As a matter of fact, it is F'ed Up! That mindset places Privilige and Money, over Morality & Fatherhood Responsibility.
I would rather be in a situation that Cam is in then to be born into a low income poverty family where both the father and mother can barely survive and can barely put food on the table. There is plenty of trauma that a child can go through in a situation like that. I find it to be irresponsible to have kids when you can't afford to eat.
Ryan is always the voice of reasons and brings a healthy perspective. He not with the Bro Code BS. The choices adults make comes with consequences that will show up in yes to come. Buying houses does not make a home.
@@LILDroidDEXthey both are traumatic though..if you have been broke it is rough and you should definitely have your finances together before kids..but time with your kids is imperative..
@@LILDroidDEXhow do you think these situations are created??? Through broken homes and absent parents. Please use your reflective thinking skills. Peace
How can you tell someone own is a mistake, then say 8 is bad decision, that’s their decision, people always quick to say something, but this was happening before Nick or Cam, and also women were doing this with multiple kids, and multiple fathers, but those kids live with him, you all acting like he is just having kids and they out here with ni contact him or once a month interaction.
Thank you and I hate that folks today are trying to escape the truth by talking about them redefining it because they are uncomfortable with the term. It is what it is. They provide a great life but the still can't be in same household with the mother and kid all the time so therefore it's broken.
It’s not an equivalent Cam has the means to have a positive impact on all these kids now he can stop the bs football camps where they disrespect him and invest in his kids y’all can’t comprehend the access and resources Cam Newton and men of that status have
It’s that simple frfr .. he held his friend accountable and no matter how u try and dress the pig up or the lack that u as a men are creating more broken houses..
@@kenyab3526so if your saying men should be held to a higher standard when it comes to accountability then it would be safe to say that men and women aren't equal, wouldn't you say? Women seem to only want equality when it's convenient for them. The fact is that these baby mamas already knew what Cam/Nick intentions were before they CHOSE to have a baby with them and yet they still do. So why isnt BOTH parties held accountable?
@@smoothed5847 They are just rolling with the trend as usual, they don’t know those people’s situation outside of this lady trying to make high value, low function a thing to mirror what Kevin Samuel’s was doing.
As a Black Man who has never had children out of wedlock, I have siblings who do and I have witnessed the dysfunction and toxicity firsthand, from creating broken families. I can personally tell you, there is no way I will commend an effort to be a father by Men who have recklessly gotten multiple women pregnant without even considering the family dynamic and I also place blame on the women who have agreed to take part in procreating with guys who are essentially “breeders” and not what GOD has said a man should be for a woman and a child. What are we teaching the next generation, people?
Breeder is the right word. And they are perpetuating a kind of plantation era psychology that was imposed on them. They are not cattle. They are men. They are not here to be stud, but to be actual parents and fathers active in children's lives.
@@Cheflyfe_knittyyou know you’re right, God did say be fruitful and multiply. But how many people was he talking to in the garden that day? All I remember is it was Adam & Eve, maybe I misconstrued it 🧐
I'm 61 --- and that doctor broke it down in its simplest form to where I even understood it, and realized on a basic level that is was plain and simple . . . WRONG and STUPIDLY SELFISH! 🤔🤯
Holding these men accountable for what exactly? For having an agreement with the mothers, wanting to have multiple children, to be a provider, etc.? Dr. Bryant said that Cam is a great father to his children. So what is the problem? At least Cam and Nick isn't like the multi millionaire Hunter Biden and the Biden family refusing to acknowledge Hunter's illegitimate children and refusing to support them.
1:44 - the “old school way” is why so many people esp millenials are needing therapy to heal from childhood traumas. Being a financial provider is not the same as being present for your child emotionally and physically. Providing clothes, housing, food is the bare minimum. Even birds provide shelter and food for their young ones. It requires more than that for a child to feel the love of their parent and grow up reflecting that to the world.
This...its a lot of thag old school i provide mentally that does have a lot people messed up emotionally and mentally when it comes to relationships. I came from somewhat of provider situation while my father was in the house, he provided financially but he was unavailable from an emotional, mental, and spiritual aspect.
Can you explain what your thinking of the old school way is? I'm 48, and to me, the old school way is having a present father who is a provider and disciplinarian. Someone who taught me morals and respect.
The “at least they are involved” argument is 👎🏽 when they intentionally acted recklessly. Men love going hard on women for how they move, but want to be soft with men. Make that make sense.
I have to agree with the doctor as a product of a second marriage. Even though my father's kids from his first marriage were grown it still left scars. I have a different memory of my father than his kids from his first marriage. You're always going to be missing something, first steps, first day of school, graduations, birthdays, etc. and it doesn't just hurt the relationship between parent and child it hurts the relationship between the siblings and some of the siblings will never form close bonds. She called it what it is, it is selfish. Imagine being a kid and just going through normal growing pains and not having your father around but being left with the thought that he's probably across town with his other kids tending to their needs. That stuff is soul-crushing.
Agree 100%. I remember saying something normal as a child, that I liked being told every morning that I was loved and my wake up ritual and then realising that my older sister never had that no matter how involved a parent is being present and day to day interactions are invaluable
She told the truth. A father not only provides financial security to his child, but being there for their kids. I came from a two parent household, but my dad was married before and he had a daughter from a previous marriage and he rarely saw our sister. I could tell from my sister that our father not being there for her since we lived in Colorado and she lived in Texas created a hole in her heart for our father. Cam and Nick are not in their early 20s, they are in thirties. At this stage of their lives, they need to stop making the same mistakes. Plus those baby momma are their kids moms and they will not want their moms to be thrown away like trash.
@Cheflyfe_knitty he works STILL be missing from the kids lives even if they all lived next door on the same street. Stop thinking money fixes everything.
Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I continue to be amazed by Ryan Clark's perception and intelligence. The last 90-seconds of this video were truly impactful. He found the words to move beyond a conversation about houses and homes and into the REALITY of what a father's job is => PRESENCE & (positive) INFLUENCE. Wealth does not erase the stigma of illegitimacy or the pain of having an absentee father. No one can prioritize being home for their kids if one has to visit multiple houses. Dads/fathers are already "absent" in American culture unless the dad is the primary custodian of care or makes sure to play an AN ACTIVE ROLE DAILY. Nothing like going to bed knowing your dad is ASLEEP just DOWN THE HALL!
Beaulah, LOVED "Nothing like going to bed knowing your dad is asleep just down the hall." Men think so differently than women. I wish we could hear from some of the morhers.
Ryan is just so impressive and intelligent. He's not only my favourite football commentator, but it's conversations like this (and the ones on DV) that continue to blow me away.
She never said he was a bad father. She said he's creating broken homes and not one lie was told. Doesn't matter the person and if we like Cam and Nick...they are creating broken homes. Being a father requires you to do more than provide. You can't be in more than one place at a time and in that way some of the kids will suffer.
You need to be telling woman that! This 2 rich man But majority of broken homes woman do it! And still can’t support the kids So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman! So stop it! Rich man always done this! Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
@@frankmathewsFirst of all that’s not true. Second, if the mothers are not in the house it’s STILL a broken home. Finally, if the women are in the same house what kind of message are they sending the kids? All in all this is a shitty situation and only low vibrational, low functioning, low IQ people can find excuses for him and Nick
But all of Cam's kids are with him. And they're a result of serious relationships. AND not all of the Kids are biologically his, he stepped up to take care of them. Idk about Nick, but Cam's situation is different than most.
@@frankmathews Are you auditioning to be his next BM? You all in these comments saying the same thing trying to defend Cam. All you need is a mic and you got yourself a podcast for the rest of the dusties. 💋
Financially, my father more than provided. It was cute when i was 5. When i was 8, 10, 12, etc , I needed a man to help me. He was not there emotionally, and that changed how i saw him moving forward. He tried, but it would never be the same. We've had many convos about it but can't deny the impact. Thank you Ryan.
i agree that a two parent household is always better. but i grew up without a father and no provision and I was very happy until I was a teenager and realized always being the poorest kid in school gave me shame. but it made me ambitious and now i make a lot of money and have a family of my own... its probably different for father-daughter relationship. i'm thankful to my biological father for giving me a good IQ from his genetics. Nick and Cam's children can be thankful for the financial opportunities they will provide and also the genetic advantages (at least Cam) so i think its a lot of nuances to it
Dr. Bryant not only eloquently laid out how he’s fostering broken homes she also spoke to the humanity in him. $ does not replace a father. No matter how rich or poor one may be.
@@frankmathews “broken homes” not bad parenting. Even in that same merit I promise you both can be two entirely different things. Your way of thinking he could father 2-5 more kids from different women & as long as the kids live with him & he fronts the monetary bill then he doesn’t contribute to a “broken home”
@@darrinelliot. you’re on point bro, it’s just folks in this day and age lose integrity when they feel attacked, if they ever had integrity in the first placd
CAM & Nick chose to create the environments they are in. It was not a mistake. The women chose, to have kids by them knowing that. Both parents knowingly were selfish creating a dynamic that is not ideal for any kid. You can have all the resources in the world, the child bonds most with the parent that is there. I appreciate these guys speaking on the subject
Both men admitted to lying and manipulating women to get them to do what they want. Yes it takes 2 to tangle but if they're being lied too it's on the men.
@@JazzyScorpio11 But if the man is bragging about having enough kids for a basketball or football team AND the woman proceeds to have a child with him, then she is very much so at fault as well. 🤔The first & maybe 2nd Baby Mama gets a pass. Any woman after that knows good & damn well what the deal is. Somebody gotta have some sense at some point. Trying to explain why Daddy isn’t at their party, recital, games, etc. will get old.
Both men started bragging after they had 2-3 baby moms. Lack of accountability for BM is a major problem in the black community. It’s not doing us any favors as a community
Thank you... can't nobody stop 2 grown people from makin babies. And frankly nobody gives a fuck what somebody on the outside thinks. The lady who had so much to say could never live the life of cam nor nick
@@MechanicalheartbeatRPMand why should she. It's a complete mess. That's why in her argument she said the women play a part in this also and they are low functioning. Having babies for a paycheck. Dr. Bryant has her own paycheck
Cam and Nick’s logic blows my mind. How do dudes think that having a kid with someone is less of a responsibility than marriage???? I get it, marriage is supposed to be forever and there’s a financial dynamic but a child is FOR LIFE.
Can didn’t say it was less responsibility. He said it was more risky…. Considering him being a high value man the risk of divorce outweighs the benefit or marriage
Georgia is not a community property state. In the case of divorce he’s in the same situation and with prenups both he and the wife can agree to length and amount for alimony.
I agree. There’s no trying in parenting. And at the end of the day they are making an intentional choice to be absent fathers. They aren’t uneducated and down trodden men who have “try” and make do. I am a mother with one daughter (married with Dad in home) making a decent salary. She asks if I have to work. Clearly she needs more of my time. No amount of money will make up the lack of time for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 + kids
This. How can you give props just bc other men have dropped the ball ? Especially since this is an intentional act and choice of the men. The women must do better as well. The first baby mothers aren’t to blame unless the fathers express their intent to impregnate many women.
I'm trying to find this Chris Rock comment on his stand up now. Someone he is talking makes some statement about doing a standard adult task and Chris' response is something like- What, you want a cookie? That's what you supposed to do!!!
Y’all gotta stop defending these trash dudes. Fred didn’t need to big up Cam and Nick for putting a roof over their head. Call out the bad behavior and leave it at that. We gotta start holding each other accountable. Dudes stay talking about how women don’t have any accountability, there are a lot of dudes now acting like women.
Multiple kids by multiple women is not God way and there're consequences for that on earth but there's also grace from God. A good rule for everyone is don't date someone who has more kids than you.
RC, thank you for the perspective. Bravo to you for understanding and being honest at it. I understand you guys don’t want to criticize your fellow brothers, but sometimes you have too.
A Father is a Son's first hero & A Daughter's First Love. A Father should be the husband you would want your daughter to marry. To be a good Father you must Police, Teach, Love, Listen and provide needs not wants.
The doctor was on Point! Bravo!! Immoral irresponsible behavior with these women and children. Children need more than a roof and food. Dr. Bryant kudos to you!
I'm so thankful that Cam & Nick chose to speak with Dr. Bryant. I also appreciate the men here on the Pivot continuing the needed conversation. As Kings & Queens we're recognizing the problem, addressing it, and prayerfully correcting it. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
All I know is I wouldn't be who I am & how I feel about myself if it weren't for my Dad in our home & in my life daily. No baby sitter. My Dad took me to college w/him everyday for 4 years b4 kindergarten. His love for me showed up huge in my life! Time well spent!
You need to be telling woman that! This 2 rich man But majority of broken homes woman do it! And still can’t support the kids So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman! So stop it! Rich man always done this! Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way! Don’t fall it
@millicenthamilton-kakowski8275 its sad that your personal testimony clearly triggers those that didn't share your experience. We high functioning individuals understood exactly where you were coming from and what you said. I pray for healing for all the ppl who are still trying to get there.
@1TZiyad umm. Since letters don't convey feelings very well, words only have denotations while connotations become personal to each one of us, you could only see the words & not my heart. If you saw my heart then you would have known exactly what I meant when I wrote it.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾, I’m so happy our men are having this conversation OUTLOUD. Well done, the fatherless child epidemic is out of control and I think it’s rooted in men not feeling up to the job. It’s so important for men Ike y’all and more of us in the culture to call this what it is, which is selfishness. No one is perfect but let’s not intentionally try and create children who don’t have their parents, it’s wrong. And women shoukd lead in dr. Bryant’s actions and speak to men like Cam respectfully and hold same for his views no matter how messed up
You need to be telling woman that! This 2 rich man But majority of broken homes woman do it! And still can’t support the kids So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman! So stop it! Rich man always done this! Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
Preachers kids always rebel. That’s how the enemy attacks, they however must know that and attack back using the word of God and take full responsibility for their actions and the correct it moving foward
You need to be telling woman that! This 2 rich man But majority of broken homes woman do it! And still can’t support the kids So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman! So stop it! Rich man always done this! Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
@@RickChilds-kq1ti He did not say full time. "He said they live with me", which could mean part time or full time. Even if they did live with him, it's still a broken home because they would be away from their mother. Kids need BOTH parents.
@@ooakRAREGEM he said he wakes them everyday and cooks breakfast as well as putting them to bed every night. I watch his interview on club Shay Shay and his 4th and 1 podcast where he also tlks about fatherhood and his kids. So yes if he’s doing those things every day and night common sense says they live with him full time. I didn’t speak off just one of his interviews
I wish you guys would talk about how both Cam and Nick got defensive when Dr. Bryant hit them with THE TRUTH and THE FACTS!! They both sounded ridiculous trying to defend that behavior.
Well, she actually ruined her argument when she stated that she couldn't wait to have children. This woman is 42 years old and talking about having children first and not having a husband first. But let's go back to the children. She's 42 years old! She's pass her giving birth stage. So she's sounding delusional. But this is typical coming from these middle aged females. Then I'm automatically started thinking that she's the typical bitter male hating/male blaming female victimization giving feminist.
And look how she looked and maneuvered out the “how are you 41 with no kids and never married” question.. she wanted to try to hate on these men, but mad that men don’t care about tht. We really want to know how she’s 41 and have no man or family
@Cheflyfe_knitty self-control and self-discipline. Refusing to have children she couldn't actually provide the best emotionally supportive foundation. Unlike these two men who are only considering the roof and food and clothing, not optimal parenting.
@@Katja-Kitty as a man we are providers.. it’s not our fault that we aren’t trying to take on the feminine roles, as y’all ladies try to take on the masculine ones… we can be out the house for weeks at a time and still receive all the love in the world when we return with the things that keeps the family functioning. It’s like women are jealous of this ability god have given us.. u acting like his kids are struggling in life
I love seeing men receive this message how it was given, with love and respect. And I love the point made here that “creating a house takes money, but creating a home takes time”. So poignant 👌🏾
This brother said it, creating generational trauma for these children. That is absolutely selfish and destructive. Multiple children in different houses how can they be there for all these children? You can’t. The children are being provided with room, board, an education but what about the other important things that are so very important to raise a well rounded person
You need to be telling woman that! This 2 rich man But majority of broken homes woman do it! And still can’t support the kids So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman! So stop it! Rich man always done this! Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
@@ToastyT-l9k what’s smarter reposting to different people who are saying the same thing? Or making everyone feel special with a different reply that’s gonna say the same thing in different words which approach is smarter? 😂😂😂🤦🏿♂️ Thought you was making a point but no You giving people to much energy is what it is 😂😂😂😂
@@rarebreedjoat9803 What I think is that using a lot of words to say what can be accomplished with a sentence, is....a choice. Why do you believe you are more intelligent by copying and pasting the same ramblings instead of responding to topic the comment addressed. You are admitting you "listen" to respond. I guess that what the Dr meant when she said low functioning does not attract high functioning. Because that is low functioning behavior. Your comments alone told me that, but this gives me more to go on. Bless your heart.
You need to be telling woman that! This 2 rich man But majority of broken homes woman do it! And still can’t support the kids So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman! So stop it! Rich man always done this! Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
@@Proverbs-vw2sc 😂😂 I was waiting on it! Just deal in facts not feelings like that doctor! Answer the question who create more broken homes rich man or woman? Is actually quantifiable !
@@jawaunHayes-fb4pe it does make it right that’s too rich man that’s still taking care of there kids! Broken home or not But majority of broken homes from women who can’t take care of their kids without a check from the government and a man! Facts
You need to be telling woman that! This 2 rich man But majority of broken homes woman do it! And still can’t support the kids So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman! So stop it! Rich man always done this! Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
@@rarebreedjoat9803 Can two things be true? Agree women create broken homes - whether it is leaving or just want a kid. That wasn’t the question. It was is it a good idea for men to have a lot of kids out of wedlock purposely, despite being wealthy. My answer to that is no.
1)Thank you to the Dr. for explaning the issue in a way that is easily digestable for all. 2) Kudos to all the brothas for having this conversation openly. It is important that as a community, we continue to talk openly and honestly with each other about real issues. It doesn't get any realer than understanding how our choices impact our children.
Beautifully said and well received! So happy to see black men who are now having this conversation with accountability and real self reflection and not just speaking from defensiveness.
Ryan is Just Dope.. Straight talk for Pure Understanding!! NO BUFFERING..That's the Problem we have as a World we BUFFER way to much and all it does is Confuse and keeps the foolishness going
I grew up in a two parent household for the first 10 years of my life, but since my dad worked all the time, I barely saw him. When they divorced it didn’t really affect me because I was used to it. Although my dad wasn’t in the household, he was still very active in my life. He also had other children with women that he never actually dated and they grew up loving him, but could never respect him when he tried to enforce discipline because he never once lived with them. Idk how much Cam sees his kids but he can still be an effective parent if his kids stay with him at least half of the time.
Real men take accountability for their mistakes. I don’t care if they are trying, I don’t care what men in the past did. Cam and Nick are selfish and irresponsible and should not be commended for ANY parts of their behavior Men we have to start holding each other accountable. “I don’t condone his behavior” is not holding him accountable. If a guy is gonna continue to exhibit low functioning behaviors, remove him from your circle. This shit is gonna continue until we as men step up and demand better from each other
This is true men like Cam and Nick can walk in any barber shop and get dapped up so they feel no shame from the men of the community Once men like this are ostracized and are shamed for their behavior they will stop expeditiously
And women need to stop choosing men like this to procreate with. We keep leaving out the role women play in these situations. Or are we to believe that women are humanly incapable of looking past their superficial urges when choosing a suitable man to father their child? Because these conversations seem to be based in that mindset....wouldn't that be considered misogynistic?
What a great conversation, absolutely no judgement or character bashing. Just complete understanding and ownership, with respectful guidance. Thanks to you all
@@antoniojames9493Yes, he said they all live with him and their mothers live in separate homes. Kids need both parents present in the same physical space during their formative years. It helps if both parents are mentally and spiritually sound.
@@antoniojames9493 She is fspeaking her professional truth. By definition, he IS creating broken homes. She wasnt judging him and she made that clear. He ( and his women) are perfectly satisfied with what they are creating, so it is working for them- brokenness and all.
Love this conversation and both men should be respected for sitting down with Dr. Bryant and having that very hard conversation,It’s so needed in our community but nothing can change until we all face the problems that exist in our communities we need to start moving with mortal intent when we make important decisions like having children.
Having multiple children with multiple partners is doing a GREAT diservice to the child. The parent man or woman that is not in the home consistently is abusing said child. Call it what it is. They will all suffer in some way. Facts!!!!
As someone who has children in different homes, I wholeheartedly agree with you. It’s a disservice to the child(ren). And it will create jealousy and resentment amongst the children. Take it from me.
@frankmathews for starters, it matters because you can not be as “active” as you need to be bouncing around between 10 different houses all over the country like Nick Cannon for example.
Our ancestors had wives,, just Ike every mammal on earth have multiple females if he is the king of the land. Only do us s blk men get condemned for doing literally what every male mammal does
A good father is a present in the home, intentional, father. These 2 men are creating broken homes ON PURPOSE!!! Scarring their children for life ON PURPOSE!!! They are not deadbeat fathers, they are not good fathers, they are selfish fathers and honestly many of their children will end up resenting them later
My father supported me financially growing up from birth to 17 years old and i am 40 now and we dont even speak money isn't everything my father is like nick cannon babies all over and takes care financially but he is absent , children need their dads just as much as their moms trust
I grew up in a two-parent household (parents are still married) where my father was a great provider even in the most difficult times. He was my little league coach, is the most generous man I know, and taught me life skills. Awesome! What he did not teach me as a man is the two biggest things in my life: true faith in God/Christ, mental/ social-emotional health. It wasn't until I became an adult in my mid 30's that I realized I lacked tools as a man from my father. Thankfully, I learned/comtinue to learn manhood through my faith in Heavenly Father, Who teaches me how to honor and appreciate my earthly father. Many of these dudes try to be so spiritual (including Cam and Nick) that they overlook and diaregard practical life and then justify with money.
I appreciate the conversation these men are having because our community suffers, as broken homes become a norm. Self awareness is imperative. The blessing & responsibility of being able to provide should not excuse the lack of accountability when choosing to create broken homes.
@@smoothed5847 There’s enough blame to go around for everyone but this video is of men holding other men accountable because the interview was with the men (Nick and Cam) who continue to defend their behaviour instead of learning and growing from it.
You need to be telling woman that! This 2 rich man But majority of broken homes woman do it! And still can’t support the kids So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman! So stop it! Rich man always done this! Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
@@richardpage4905Respectfully, I don’t believe that was the implication because a deadbeat dad isn’t or rarely involved in their children’s lives. A person can still foster some issues in their kids’ lives without being a “deadbeat”.
I’m happy we are finally having a conversation about raising our children. Financially having money puts your children in a better position. Mentally what does it feel like to wake up not have your father there? I agree with Dr. Bryant and Ryan. Thank you Cam and Nick for starting this conversation. Let’s keep it going!
@@stephaniecooper4002 - The conversation has been settled. We have segment who feels/believes they can buy/spend their way through parenthood and marriage. These are people with and without children. But, it's just a reflection of the automated, consumerism world we've grown accustomed to.
The loyalty that these men have for one another is astounding. They keep talking about the financial soft like THAT should be commended.Ryan, however, made no excuses.Thank you Ryan
It is refreshing to see comments from Men who are keeping it 💯. I definitely feel both men spoke with Dr. Bryant because they needed to hear her message as well as other's. Hopefully they can use her perspective to adjust their mindset and make changes for the highest good for all parties involved.
Ryan nailed it! I applaud him for calling out Cam & Nick’s behaviors and using himself as an example. Yes, they are trying, but they both willingly created children with women they have no desire to marry. Their behaviors are low functioning, and can possibly be emotionally damaging for everyone involved down the road. Hell…the last mother of Cam’s kids is spiraling on social media as we speak.
Are they trying? Both guys tried to use Dr. Bryant’s age, marital status etc. to disregard why they should not create any more broken homes. If anything it seems like the plan was to encourage the dysfunction in our community. Cam and men like him want to use Dr Bryant to scare women into jaz brown’s situation.
Bottom line: Children NEED fathers in the home. Stop trying to stay loyal to Cam and Nick and recognizr that what they are doing (and what these women are doing) must stop.
Drop the 🎤.....after what Ryan perfectly and righteously articulated there's "Nothing left to say" like Mint Condition would say🤭🤷..She ate both of their lunches and popped the bag when she was done! Facts over feelings
“I don’t condone it but I commend them.” WTF?!? The lack of accountability and the inability to call people out is a part of the problem. Yall disappointed me in this convo. Ryan is the only one honest.
What is Cam and Nick doing wrong? BM are accused for knocking up females during the females small ovulation window each month and being a "dead beat". Cam and Nick not only are taking care of their children better than any average family but Dr Bryant even told them that they were great fathers. Dr. Bryant even told them that the mothers are "victims" of Cam and Nick wanting children by them. This is the same 42 year old never married and childless female wanting "beautiful children" herself. When and how?! But she never said that she never wanted to be married first. In my opinion, I believe that she's bitter, pass her fertile years, not seriously sought after, and jealous of BM that are still able to get younger females and reproduce.
Guys… stop drinking the absentee father kool-aid. Only Ryan is willing to be honest and hold Black fathers accountable. Thank you Ryan 🙏🏾. Channing. Fred. To both of you-Your words are power. Our community is broken. Start speaking change to our men. They listen to you.
Yea, channing basically agreed with her at least to some degree. He's providing but how much fathering can he actually be splitting himself between different homes/households
They aren’t absentee fathers that was there point! I would rather have kids even by multiple woman! Than be 40 alone with no partner and no kids! Being bitter calling other woman low functioning ! Why do it always seem these high functioning woman alone with no man and no kids?! Don’t no high functioning man want that type woman! They are unpleasant, combative and selfish! Some nerve for a person with no home she just got a house! To talk about a broken home, home not house being key word! Also let’s keep it real you talking about 2 rich man when majority broken homes come from the mothers leaving! That’s facts is it not facts On top of that majority of the woman can’t support the family they broke up so now the normal man pays double! Lost his family and money
You need to be telling woman that! This 2 rich man But majority of broken homes woman do it! And still can’t support the kids So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman! So stop it! Rich man always done this! Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
@@rarebreedjoat9803if a man cheats, beats on his woman or is just overall disrespectful to his girl and she decides to leave the man . Whose fault is it really? That’s majority of the situation your talking about
Black men from poverty mistaking money as provision for a child when the biggest form of providing is being present
I totally agree!
Clock it!
This!!
Hello!
Say it again 👏🏾👏🏾
Ryan was the only one in this conversation MAN enough to call a spade a spade. Just becuz Cam & Nick can afford to provide for these children, that doesn't make it in any way...OK. As a matter of fact, it is F'ed Up! That mindset places Privilige and Money, over Morality & Fatherhood Responsibility.
I would rather be in a situation that Cam is in then to be born into a low income poverty family where both the father and mother can barely survive and can barely put food on the table. There is plenty of trauma that a child can go through in a situation like that. I find it to be irresponsible to have kids when you can't afford to eat.
Ryan is always the voice of reasons and brings a healthy perspective. He not with the Bro Code BS. The choices adults make comes with consequences that will show up in yes to come. Buying houses does not make a home.
@@LILDroidDEXthey both are traumatic though..if you have been broke it is rough and you should definitely have your finances together before kids..but time with your kids is imperative..
Son husband logic here.
@@LILDroidDEXhow do you think these situations are created??? Through broken homes and absent parents. Please use your reflective thinking skills. Peace
As a man growing up without a father, MONEY DON'T MEAN SHIT. They're wrong and irresponsible. 1 is a mistake, 8 is a continued BAD decision
THIS!!!
How can you tell someone own is a mistake, then say 8 is bad decision, that’s their decision, people always quick to say something, but this was happening before Nick or Cam, and also women were doing this with multiple kids, and multiple fathers, but those kids live with him, you all acting like he is just having kids and they out here with ni contact him or once a month interaction.
@@willg1083 ok👌🏾
A bad decision by whom? The man, or baby mama#3 and on?
@@Fidelis1776 both
A broken home is a broken home! You can applaud Nick and Cam for financially taking care of the kids they have.
You can't put a price on TIME
@@brianfrazier9142 🎯 Time & making memories is Priceless!!
Thank you and I hate that folks today are trying to escape the truth by talking about them redefining it because they are uncomfortable with the term. It is what it is. They provide a great life but the still can't be in same household with the mother and kid all the time so therefore it's broken.
@@brianfrazier9142 well that’ goes for miltary parents lawyers drs and all the people who didn’t stay with there child’s parents lol
@@bunchycarter8846are those ppl creating multiple broken homes , dummy ?
It’s not an equivalent Cam has the means to have a positive impact on all these kids now he can stop the bs football camps where they disrespect him and invest in his kids y’all can’t comprehend the access and resources Cam Newton and men of that status have
Thank you Ryan for holding your friends accountable. It’s really that simple.
Stop it SMH
Yes. Thank you Ryan
It’s that simple frfr .. he held his friend accountable and no matter how u try and dress the pig up or the lack that u as a men are creating more broken houses..
What? Channing touched on both aspects of it.
@@kenyab3526so if your saying men should be held to a higher standard when it comes to accountability then it would be safe to say that men and women aren't equal, wouldn't you say? Women seem to only want equality when it's convenient for them. The fact is that these baby mamas already knew what Cam/Nick intentions were before they CHOSE to have a baby with them and yet they still do. So why isnt BOTH parties held accountable?
Being a father is more than just being a provider. The relationship between a father and their child can not be replaced with material things.
This. Ppl keep forgetting this
I would say the role of provider is more than financial. But I hear you
@@darnellhorne2542 so you think he’s not in his kids lives?? Ok
@@smoothed5847 They are just rolling with the trend as usual, they don’t know those people’s situation outside of this lady trying to make high value, low function a thing to mirror what Kevin Samuel’s was doing.
@@Lil08103this is the correct way but a lot of our ppl function on the lost value system.
As a Black Man who has never had children out of wedlock, I have siblings who do and I have witnessed the dysfunction and toxicity firsthand, from creating broken families. I can personally tell you, there is no way I will commend an effort to be a father by Men who have recklessly gotten multiple women pregnant without even considering the family dynamic and I also place blame on the women who have agreed to take part in procreating with guys who are essentially “breeders” and not what GOD has said a man should be for a woman and a child. What are we teaching the next generation, people?
Breeder is the right word. And they are perpetuating a kind of plantation era psychology that was imposed on them. They are not cattle. They are men. They are not here to be stud, but to be actual parents and fathers active in children's lives.
@@armoriya I could have sworn he said he fruitful and multiply lmao
@@Cheflyfe_knittyyou know you’re right, God did say be fruitful and multiply. But how many people was he talking to in the garden that day? All I remember is it was Adam & Eve, maybe I misconstrued it 🧐
Now this is a response!!!!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽@undriaw.995
@@undriaw.995 well if u want to go deep into it. They wasn’t the only ones in the garden.. or on earth for the matter.
Ryan insight, accountability, and honesty is admirable.
I'm 61 --- and that doctor broke it down in its simplest form to where I even understood it, and realized on a basic level that is was plain and simple . . . WRONG and STUPIDLY SELFISH! 🤔🤯
True
What is wrong and selfish? Having so many children correct?
Thank you Ryan! Don’t be afraid to hold these men accountable.
Holding these men accountable for what exactly? For having an agreement with the mothers, wanting to have multiple children, to be a provider, etc.? Dr. Bryant said that Cam is a great father to his children. So what is the problem? At least Cam and Nick isn't like the multi millionaire Hunter Biden and the Biden family refusing to acknowledge Hunter's illegitimate children and refusing to support them.
1:44 - the “old school way” is why so many people esp millenials are needing therapy to heal from childhood traumas. Being a financial provider is not the same as being present for your child emotionally and physically. Providing clothes, housing, food is the bare minimum. Even birds provide shelter and food for their young ones. It requires more than that for a child to feel the love of their parent and grow up reflecting that to the world.
PREACH!
This...its a lot of thag old school i provide mentally that does have a lot people messed up emotionally and mentally when it comes to relationships. I came from somewhat of provider situation while my father was in the house, he provided financially but he was unavailable from an emotional, mental, and spiritual aspect.
The "new school" way ain't working either......these gen z and alpha kids are trash.
EXACTLY THIS!!!!! This is the entire point and if more people would understand this we could move on the right direction!
Can you explain what your thinking of the old school way is? I'm 48, and to me, the old school way is having a present father who is a provider and disciplinarian. Someone who taught me morals and respect.
Ryan really confidently spoke the truth. Its not about pointing the fingers, it’s just about saying “hey I think we could do better at this.!!!
The “at least they are involved” argument is 👎🏽 when they intentionally acted recklessly. Men love going hard on women for how they move, but want to be soft with men. Make that make sense.
I have to agree with the doctor as a product of a second marriage. Even though my father's kids from his first marriage were grown it still left scars. I have a different memory of my father than his kids from his first marriage. You're always going to be missing something, first steps, first day of school, graduations, birthdays, etc. and it doesn't just hurt the relationship between parent and child it hurts the relationship between the siblings and some of the siblings will never form close bonds. She called it what it is, it is selfish. Imagine being a kid and just going through normal growing pains and not having your father around but being left with the thought that he's probably across town with his other kids tending to their needs. That stuff is soul-crushing.
Agreed! Everything you said I've experienced as well to the T.
Agree 100%. I remember saying something normal as a child, that I liked being told every morning that I was loved and my wake up ritual and then realising that my older sister never had that no matter how involved a parent is being present and day to day interactions are invaluable
Yep....' Soul Crushing'.......
Thank you Ryan for being honest and transparent!
She told the truth. A father not only provides financial security to his child, but being there for their kids. I came from a two parent household, but my dad was married before and he had a daughter from a previous marriage and he rarely saw our sister. I could tell from my sister that our father not being there for her since we lived in Colorado and she lived in Texas created a hole in her heart for our father. Cam and Nick are not in their early 20s, they are in thirties. At this stage of their lives, they need to stop making the same mistakes. Plus those baby momma are their kids moms and they will not want their moms to be thrown away like trash.
If women are willing to open their legs then these situations will persist
@@lastpme cam is rich enough to have all of them live right by each other . Some men can do this and it not damage the foundation. But very few
With all do respect we should not compare the life of your father who probably was a regular joe to the life of a 1% man like Cam.
Nick and Cam are 40+ and pushing 40 to still be doing this
@Cheflyfe_knitty he works STILL be missing from the kids lives even if they all lived next door on the same street. Stop thinking money fixes everything.
Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I continue to be amazed by Ryan Clark's perception and intelligence. The last 90-seconds of this video were truly impactful. He found the words to move beyond a conversation about houses and homes and into the REALITY of what a father's job is => PRESENCE & (positive) INFLUENCE. Wealth does not erase the stigma of illegitimacy or the pain of having an absentee father. No one can prioritize being home for their kids if one has to visit multiple houses. Dads/fathers are already "absent" in American culture unless the dad is the primary custodian of care or makes sure to play an AN ACTIVE ROLE DAILY. Nothing like going to bed knowing your dad is ASLEEP just DOWN THE HALL!
Ryan is the man. He's my favorite of the three.
Beaulah, LOVED "Nothing like going to bed knowing your dad is asleep just down the hall."
Men think so differently than women. I wish we could hear from some of the morhers.
Ryan is just so impressive and intelligent. He's not only my favourite football commentator, but it's conversations like this (and the ones on DV) that continue to blow me away.
@@kwoylee5617 Curious... What does "DV" stand for? Agreed Ryan has great perspectives.
This is sooooo important to discuss in our community.
I love how Ryan Clark always stands on business! Love watching all your commentary!❤
Doctor spoke facts ! Thank the lord .
She never said he was a bad father. She said he's creating broken homes and not one lie was told. Doesn't matter the person and if we like Cam and Nick...they are creating broken homes. Being a father requires you to do more than provide. You can't be in more than one place at a time and in that way some of the kids will suffer.
All his kids live with him.
You need to be telling woman that!
This 2 rich man
But majority of broken homes woman do it!
And still can’t support the kids
So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman!
So stop it! Rich man always done this!
Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
@@frankmathewsFirst of all that’s not true. Second, if the mothers are not in the house it’s STILL a broken home. Finally, if the women are in the same house what kind of message are they sending the kids? All in all this is a shitty situation and only low vibrational, low functioning, low IQ people can find excuses for him and Nick
But all of Cam's kids are with him. And they're a result of serious relationships. AND not all of the Kids are biologically his, he stepped up to take care of them. Idk about Nick, but Cam's situation is different than most.
@@frankmathews Are you auditioning to be his next BM? You all in these comments saying the same thing trying to defend Cam. All you need is a mic and you got yourself a podcast for the rest of the dusties. 💋
Financially, my father more than provided. It was cute when i was 5. When i was 8, 10, 12, etc , I needed a man to help me. He was not there emotionally, and that changed how i saw him moving forward. He tried, but it would never be the same. We've had many convos about it but can't deny the impact. Thank you Ryan.
@@alishawyche2468 well said.
i agree that a two parent household is always better. but i grew up without a father and no provision and I was very happy until I was a teenager and realized always being the poorest kid in school gave me shame. but it made me ambitious and now i make a lot of money and have a family of my own... its probably different for father-daughter relationship. i'm thankful to my biological father for giving me a good IQ from his genetics. Nick and Cam's children can be thankful for the financial opportunities they will provide and also the genetic advantages (at least Cam) so i think its a lot of nuances to it
Dr. Bryant not only eloquently laid out how he’s fostering broken homes she also spoke to the humanity in him. $ does not replace a father. No matter how rich or poor one may be.
Your single mother would be proud of the B you became.
Broken homes??? His kids live with him crazy man 😂
@@frankmathews I mean literally live with him and still take care of two kids that’s not even his.
@@frankmathews “broken homes” not bad parenting. Even in that same merit I promise you both can be two entirely different things.
Your way of thinking he could father 2-5 more kids from different women & as long as the kids live with him & he fronts the monetary bill then he doesn’t contribute to a “broken home”
@@darrinelliot. you’re on point bro, it’s just folks in this day and age lose integrity when they feel attacked, if they ever had integrity in the first placd
CAM & Nick chose to create the environments they are in. It was not a mistake. The women chose, to have kids by them knowing that. Both parents knowingly were selfish creating a dynamic that is not ideal for any kid. You can have all the resources in the world, the child bonds most with the parent that is there. I appreciate these guys speaking on the subject
Both men admitted to lying and manipulating women to get them to do what they want. Yes it takes 2 to tangle but if they're being lied too it's on the men.
@@JazzyScorpio11 But if the man is bragging about having enough kids for a basketball or football team AND the woman proceeds to have a child with him, then she is very much so at fault as well. 🤔The first & maybe 2nd Baby Mama gets a pass. Any woman after that knows good & damn well what the deal is. Somebody gotta have some sense at some point. Trying to explain why Daddy isn’t at their party, recital, games, etc. will get old.
Both men started bragging after they had 2-3 baby moms. Lack of accountability for BM is a major problem in the black community. It’s not doing us any favors as a community
Thank you... can't nobody stop 2 grown people from makin babies. And frankly nobody gives a fuck what somebody on the outside thinks. The lady who had so much to say could never live the life of cam nor nick
@@MechanicalheartbeatRPMand why should she. It's a complete mess. That's why in her argument she said the women play a part in this also and they are low functioning. Having babies for a paycheck. Dr. Bryant has her own paycheck
Cam and Nick’s logic blows my mind. How do dudes think that having a kid with someone is less of a responsibility than marriage???? I get it, marriage is supposed to be forever and there’s a financial dynamic but a child is FOR LIFE.
Can didn’t say it was less responsibility. He said it was more risky…. Considering him being a high value man the risk of divorce outweighs the benefit or marriage
Georgia is not a community property state. In the case of divorce he’s in the same situation and with prenups both he and the wife can agree to length and amount for alimony.
@@nickrubeltopierre5188He is wealthy enough to prepare great contracts with his lawyers before getting married. His reasons are just stupid excuses.
Because they know they will NEVER be full time parents. It’s not expected of them.
2:07 you give them props for them trying? What? We are praising for doing your parental responsibility?
Trying, who says they Trying? They don't know what going on, they're assuming bc they have money
I agree. There’s no trying in parenting. And at the end of the day they are making an intentional choice to be absent fathers. They aren’t uneducated and down trodden men who have “try” and make do. I am a mother with one daughter (married with Dad in home) making a decent salary. She asks if I have to work. Clearly she needs more of my time. No amount of money will make up the lack of time for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 + kids
This. How can you give props just bc other men have dropped the ball ? Especially since this is an intentional act and choice of the men. The women must do better as well. The first baby mothers aren’t to blame unless the fathers express their intent to impregnate many women.
I'm trying to find this Chris Rock comment on his stand up now. Someone he is talking makes some statement about doing a standard adult task and Chris' response is something like- What, you want a cookie? That's what you supposed to do!!!
What if that money runs out. Anythings possible. Arrogant. Sad.
I appreciate these brothers and their feedback especially Ryan.👏🏽
Ryan always keeps it 💯
Y’all gotta stop defending these trash dudes. Fred didn’t need to big up Cam and Nick for putting a roof over their head. Call out the bad behavior and leave it at that.
We gotta start holding each other accountable. Dudes stay talking about how women don’t have any accountability, there are a lot of dudes now acting like women.
Facts
This conversation should’ve been a lot longer I wish you guys would do a show on this
Multiple kids by multiple women is not God way and there're consequences for that on earth but there's also grace from God.
A good rule for everyone is don't date someone who has more kids than you.
RC, thank you for the perspective. Bravo to you for understanding and being honest at it.
I understand you guys don’t want to criticize your fellow brothers, but sometimes you have too.
Well said Ryan, thank you for being honest , this type of conversation is a must.
A Father is a Son's first hero & A Daughter's First Love.
A Father should be the husband you would want your daughter to marry.
To be a good Father you must Police, Teach, Love, Listen and provide needs not wants.
The doctor was on Point! Bravo!! Immoral irresponsible behavior with these women and children. Children need more than a roof and food. Dr. Bryant kudos to you!
I'm so thankful that Cam & Nick chose to speak with Dr. Bryant. I also appreciate the men here on the Pivot continuing the needed conversation. As Kings & Queens we're recognizing the problem, addressing it, and prayerfully correcting it. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
All I know is I wouldn't be who I am & how I feel about myself if it weren't for my Dad in our home & in my life daily. No baby sitter. My Dad took me to college w/him everyday for 4 years b4 kindergarten. His love for me showed up huge in my life! Time well spent!
That's you. You can't speak for someone else situation.
@@frankmathews please tell me where made this everyone else's story. I recall using a personal pronoun in my story, Frank.
You need to be telling woman that!
This 2 rich man
But majority of broken homes woman do it!
And still can’t support the kids
So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman!
So stop it! Rich man always done this!
Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
Don’t fall it
@millicenthamilton-kakowski8275 its sad that your personal testimony clearly triggers those that didn't share your experience. We high functioning individuals understood exactly where you were coming from and what you said. I pray for healing for all the ppl who are still trying to get there.
@1TZiyad umm. Since letters don't convey feelings very well, words only have denotations while connotations become personal to each one of us, you could only see the words & not my heart. If you saw my heart then you would have known exactly what I meant when I wrote it.
1:05 she never said they were deadbeat dads.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾, I’m so happy our men are having this conversation OUTLOUD. Well done, the fatherless child epidemic is out of control and I think it’s rooted in men not feeling up to the job. It’s so important for men
Ike y’all and more of us in the culture to call this what it is, which is selfishness. No one is perfect but let’s not intentionally try and create children who don’t have their parents, it’s wrong. And women shoukd lead in dr. Bryant’s actions and speak to men like Cam respectfully and hold same for his views no matter how messed up
Of course women will love this....afterall, these discussions always seem to allow women to escape accountability on the role they play in all this.
Ryan put it in great perspective!
You need to be telling woman that!
This 2 rich man
But majority of broken homes woman do it!
And still can’t support the kids
So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman!
So stop it! Rich man always done this!
Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
I find it interesting that both Cam and Nick both have fathers that are Pastors. It appears that they are doing everything possible to rebel.
I believe they are following in their father's footsteps minus the marriage part.
Preachers kids always rebel. That’s how the enemy attacks, they however must know that and attack back using the word of God and take full responsibility for their actions and the correct it moving foward
🔥🔥🔥🔥 This statement is deep
The irony is they are rebelling against God, and not their fathers. Their fathers have no hell to put them in.
Deadbeat and absent is two different things. They are absent fathers. They may provide financially but they did create multiple broken homes.
You need to be telling woman that!
This 2 rich man
But majority of broken homes woman do it!
And still can’t support the kids
So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman!
So stop it! Rich man always done this!
Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
Cam said his children live with him full time. Not absent just doesn’t want to be married
@@RickChilds-kq1ti He did not say full time. "He said they live with me", which could mean part time or full time. Even if they did live with him, it's still a broken home because they would be away from their mother. Kids need BOTH parents.
@@ooakRAREGEM he said he wakes them everyday and cooks breakfast as well as putting them to bed every night. I watch his interview on club Shay Shay and his 4th and 1 podcast where he also tlks about fatherhood and his kids. So yes if he’s doing those things every day and night common sense says they live with him full time. I didn’t speak off just one of his interviews
@rarebreedjoat9803 we will tell the women that when she has 8 children by three men. Stop deflecting!
I am glad to see men are having this conversation, and men are taking responsibility for producing all these houses, not homes
It’s sad bc cam is only one man.. y’all make it seem like all of us are like this.
@@Cheflyfe_knittyoh we know all men don't do this. We are speaking to the men who continue to do it and glorify it
@@DeeDiamond2981 they glorify it bc they have the chance to do it. Some men want a kingdom and lot of women are signing up for it..
I wish you guys would talk about how both Cam and Nick got defensive when Dr. Bryant hit them with THE TRUTH and THE FACTS!! They both sounded ridiculous trying to defend that behavior.
Well, she actually ruined her argument when she stated that she couldn't wait to have children. This woman is 42 years old and talking about having children first and not having a husband first. But let's go back to the children. She's 42 years old! She's pass her giving birth stage. So she's sounding delusional. But this is typical coming from these middle aged females. Then I'm automatically started thinking that she's the typical bitter male hating/male blaming female victimization giving feminist.
It’s normal behavior for someone to get defensive when they feel their way of life is being attacked.
And look how she looked and maneuvered out the “how are you 41 with no kids and never married” question.. she wanted to try to hate on these men, but mad that men don’t care about tht. We really want to know how she’s 41 and have no man or family
@Cheflyfe_knitty self-control and self-discipline. Refusing to have children she couldn't actually provide the best emotionally supportive foundation. Unlike these two men who are only considering the roof and food and clothing, not optimal parenting.
@@Katja-Kitty as a man we are providers.. it’s not our fault that we aren’t trying to take on the feminine roles, as y’all ladies try to take on the masculine ones… we can be out the house for weeks at a time and still receive all the love in the world when we return with the things that keeps the family functioning. It’s like women are jealous of this ability god have given us.. u acting like his kids are struggling in life
I love seeing men receive this message how it was given, with love and respect. And I love the point made here that “creating a house takes money, but creating a home takes time”. So poignant 👌🏾
This brother said it, creating generational trauma for these children. That is absolutely selfish and destructive. Multiple children in different houses how can they be there for all these children? You can’t. The children are being provided with room, board, an education but what about the other important things that are so very important to raise a well rounded person
You need to be telling woman that!
This 2 rich man
But majority of broken homes woman do it!
And still can’t support the kids
So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman!
So stop it! Rich man always done this!
Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
@@rarebreedjoat9803Dang! You just copying and pasting this under every comment. It's giving... groupy
@@ToastyT-l9k what’s smarter reposting to different people who are saying the same thing?
Or making everyone feel special with a different reply that’s gonna say the same thing in different words which approach is smarter? 😂😂😂🤦🏿♂️
Thought you was making a point but no
You giving people to much energy is what it is 😂😂😂😂
@@rarebreedjoat9803 What I think is that using a lot of words to say what can be accomplished with a sentence, is....a choice. Why do you believe you are more intelligent by copying and pasting the same ramblings instead of responding to topic the comment addressed. You are admitting you "listen" to respond. I guess that what the Dr meant when she said low functioning does not attract high functioning. Because that is low functioning behavior. Your comments alone told me that, but this gives me more to go on. Bless your heart.
Ryan said a mouthfull. Have all the money in the world u can buy time. So right.
You need to be telling woman that!
This 2 rich man
But majority of broken homes woman do it!
And still can’t support the kids
So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman!
So stop it! Rich man always done this!
Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
@@rarebreedjoat9803 doesnt make it right. U stop it. U are condoning this poor behavior. But it takes too.
@@rarebreedjoat9803 Who hurt you?
@@Proverbs-vw2sc 😂😂 I was waiting on it! Just deal in facts not feelings like that doctor!
Answer the question who create more broken homes rich man or woman?
Is actually quantifiable !
@@jawaunHayes-fb4pe it does make it right that’s too rich man that’s still taking care of there kids!
Broken home or not
But majority of broken homes from women who can’t take care of their kids without a check from the government and a man! Facts
Ryan hit it spot on
You need to be telling woman that!
This 2 rich man
But majority of broken homes woman do it!
And still can’t support the kids
So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman!
So stop it! Rich man always done this!
Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
@@rarebreedjoat9803 Can two things be true? Agree women create broken homes - whether it is leaving or just want a kid. That wasn’t the question. It was is it a good idea for men to have a lot of kids out of wedlock purposely, despite being wealthy. My answer to that is no.
1)Thank you to the Dr. for explaning the issue in a way that is easily digestable for all. 2) Kudos to all the brothas for having this conversation openly. It is important that as a community, we continue to talk openly and honestly with each other about real issues. It doesn't get any realer than understanding how our choices impact our children.
The greatest ability a father can have is availability.
Love this dude..he broke it down beautifully .. new respect for this podcast .. the pivot
Great talk , three different perspectives, all being respectful but yeah (as black men we can’t move like this going forward).
Beautifully said and well received! So happy to see black men who are now having this conversation with accountability and real self reflection and not just speaking from defensiveness.
3:57 children become adults who will eventually see their parents for who they really are.
Ryan is Just Dope.. Straight talk for Pure Understanding!! NO BUFFERING..That's the Problem we have as a World we BUFFER way to much and all it does is Confuse and keeps the foolishness going
Wow very impressive with these men!!!! The last one who spoke hit so hard with everything he said was spot on!!!! #gentlemen
I grew up in a two parent household for the first 10 years of my life, but since my dad worked all the time, I barely saw him. When they divorced it didn’t really affect me because I was used to it. Although my dad wasn’t in the household, he was still very active in my life. He also had other children with women that he never actually dated and they grew up loving him, but could never respect him when he tried to enforce discipline because he never once lived with them. Idk how much Cam sees his kids but he can still be an effective parent if his kids stay with him at least half of the time.
Real men take accountability for their mistakes. I don’t care if they are trying, I don’t care what men in the past did. Cam and Nick are selfish and irresponsible and should not be commended for ANY parts of their behavior
Men we have to start holding each other accountable. “I don’t condone his behavior” is not holding him accountable.
If a guy is gonna continue to exhibit low functioning behaviors, remove him from your circle. This shit is gonna continue until we as men step up and demand better from each other
Thank you ❤
I appreciate your call for change. Please teach the men you interact with how to teach this responsibility, this value, to other men. Ashé!
This is true
men like Cam and Nick can walk in any barber shop and get dapped up so they feel no shame from the men of the community
Once men like this are ostracized and are shamed for their behavior they will stop expeditiously
Oh shut up
And women need to stop choosing men like this to procreate with. We keep leaving out the role women play in these situations. Or are we to believe that women are humanly incapable of looking past their superficial urges when choosing a suitable man to father their child? Because these conversations seem to be based in that mindset....wouldn't that be considered misogynistic?
What a great conversation, absolutely no judgement or character bashing. Just complete understanding and ownership, with respectful guidance. Thanks to you all
The home NEEEEDS A DAD!!!!!!
Didn't he say all his kids stay with him?🤔
@@antoniojames9493Yes, he said they all live with him and their mothers live in separate homes. Kids need both parents present in the same physical space during their formative years. It helps if both parents are mentally and spiritually sound.
@pkp6791 My thing is who is she to tell him "He's creating broken homes"?
@@antoniojames9493he created broken homes both parent need to be in the home...
@@antoniojames9493
She is fspeaking her professional truth. By definition, he IS creating broken homes. She wasnt judging him and she made that clear. He ( and his women) are perfectly satisfied with what they are creating, so it is working for them- brokenness and all.
Love this conversation and both men should be respected for sitting down with Dr. Bryant and having that very hard conversation,It’s so needed in our community but nothing can change until we all face the problems that exist in our communities we need to start moving with mortal intent when we make important decisions like having children.
Having multiple children with multiple partners is doing a GREAT diservice to the child. The parent man or woman that is not in the home consistently is abusing said child. Call it what it is. They will all suffer in some way. Facts!!!!
As someone who has children in different homes, I wholeheartedly agree with you. It’s a disservice to the child(ren). And it will create jealousy and resentment amongst the children. Take it from me.
As long as both parents are active in the kids life and are taken care of wtf does it matter if the parents live separately.
@frankmathews for starters, it matters because you can not be as “active” as you need to be bouncing around between 10 different houses all over the country like Nick Cannon for example.
Our ancestors had wives,, just Ike every mammal on earth have multiple females if he is the king of the land. Only do us s blk men get condemned for doing literally what every male mammal does
Love the way y'all tackled & handled this situation
A good father is a present in the home, intentional, father. These 2 men are creating broken homes ON PURPOSE!!! Scarring their children for life ON PURPOSE!!! They are not deadbeat fathers, they are not good fathers, they are selfish fathers and honestly many of their children will end up resenting them later
My father supported me financially growing up from birth to 17 years old and i am 40 now and we dont even speak money isn't everything my father is like nick cannon babies all over and takes care financially but he is absent , children need their dads just as much as their moms trust
I grew up in a two-parent household (parents are still married) where my father was a great provider even in the most difficult times. He was my little league coach, is the most generous man I know, and taught me life skills. Awesome! What he did not teach me as a man is the two biggest things in my life: true faith in God/Christ, mental/ social-emotional health. It wasn't until I became an adult in my mid 30's that I realized I lacked tools as a man from my father. Thankfully, I learned/comtinue to learn manhood through my faith in Heavenly Father, Who teaches me how to honor and appreciate my earthly father.
Many of these dudes try to be so spiritual (including Cam and Nick) that they overlook and diaregard practical life and then justify with money.
I appreciate the conversation these men are having because our community suffers, as broken homes become a norm. Self awareness is imperative. The blessing & responsibility of being able to provide should not excuse the lack of accountability when choosing to create broken homes.
Okay question do you think it would be smart to have 3 baby mamas in the same household???
@@smoothed5847It’s not smart to have 3 baby mamas at all.
@@saphire2214 so are we blaming him or the women?? Because it takes two to make a baby
@@smoothed5847 There’s enough blame to go around for everyone but this video is of men holding other men accountable because the interview was with the men (Nick and Cam) who continue to defend their behaviour instead of learning and growing from it.
You need to be telling woman that!
This 2 rich man
But majority of broken homes woman do it!
And still can’t support the kids
So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman!
So stop it! Rich man always done this!
Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
0:36 Channing, where in the entire video did she call Cam a “deadbeat dad”? Please tell me
That was the Implication
He didn’t say that she said it. He’s just making a point that he’s not a deadbeat even though he’s not in the home with them
Channing seemed to be trying to find something to at least give Cam a compliment. 😬
@@richardpage4905Respectfully, I don’t believe that was the implication because a deadbeat dad isn’t or rarely involved in their children’s lives. A person can still foster some issues in their kids’ lives without being a “deadbeat”.
I’m happy we are finally having a conversation about raising our children. Financially having money puts your children in a better position. Mentally what does it feel like to wake up not have your father there? I agree with Dr. Bryant and Ryan. Thank you Cam and Nick for starting this conversation. Let’s keep it going!
@@stephaniecooper4002 -
The conversation has been settled. We have segment who feels/believes they can buy/spend their way through parenthood and marriage. These are people with and without children.
But, it's just a reflection of the automated, consumerism world we've grown accustomed to.
Thank you Ryan 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Cam Newton is the type of person to have 24 children and think it's ok... because we got 24 hours in a day.
I love Ryan’s perspective here ❤
Respect to these brothers for this conversation. Men holding Men accountable ❤
The loyalty that these men have for one another is astounding. They keep talking about the financial soft like THAT should be commended.Ryan, however, made no excuses.Thank you Ryan
We're as loyal as women are to one another.
Thank you Ryan for being honest❤️
Go off RC!!!!
I will not give a man props for doing what he is supposed to do! 🤘🏾🤘🏾
They should have had her on the show. Great conversation and seeing both sides.
It is refreshing to see comments from Men who are keeping it 💯. I definitely feel both men spoke with Dr. Bryant because they needed to hear her message as well as other's. Hopefully they can use her perspective to adjust their mindset and make changes for the highest good for all parties involved.
Ryan nailed it! I applaud him for calling out Cam & Nick’s behaviors and using himself as an example. Yes, they are trying, but they both willingly created children with women they have no desire to marry. Their behaviors are low functioning, and can possibly be emotionally damaging for everyone involved down the road. Hell…the last mother of Cam’s kids is spiraling on social media as we speak.
Are they trying? Both guys tried to use Dr. Bryant’s age, marital status etc. to disregard why they should not create any more broken homes. If anything it seems like the plan was to encourage the dysfunction in our community. Cam and men like him want to use Dr Bryant to scare women into jaz brown’s situation.
Well Said, and very objective❤
Ryan 👌🏾🙌🏾👏🏾💯‼️
Time is something you can’t buy more of! Well said , well said!!!!!
GREAT Conversation 🎉
I liked a this commentary. Well said gentleman ❤
Let's not forget both Nick and Cameron produced, interviewed, and released the content to be further discussed.
So interesting they produced it but really gave her so much resistance at the same time
True. It's still revenue for them both
It’s gonna make them bread why not
It’s all about money they released it for views
Lead by Example 🎉
Brilliant conversation! Thank you for your open honesty!
Bottom line: Children NEED fathers in the home. Stop trying to stay loyal to Cam and Nick and recognizr that what they are doing (and what these women are doing) must stop.
All Cams kids live with him
Choose husbands and not derelicts and we wouldn't be here.
@@frankmathews Only part-time. His 1st BM just did an interview talking about their custody arrangements. They do one week on and one week off.
My man said kids aren’t good fish.
That was a whole bar, so much deepness in that statement.
Drop the 🎤.....after what Ryan perfectly and righteously articulated there's "Nothing left to say" like Mint Condition would say🤭🤷..She ate both of their lunches and popped the bag when she was done! Facts over feelings
Thank you, Ryan, for your perspective. Providing consistent truth, accountability, & wisdom.
“I don’t condone it but I commend them.” WTF?!? The lack of accountability and the inability to call people out is a part of the problem. Yall disappointed me in this convo. Ryan is the only one honest.
What is Cam and Nick doing wrong? BM are accused for knocking up females during the females small ovulation window each month and being a "dead beat". Cam and Nick not only are taking care of their children better than any average family but Dr Bryant even told them that they were great fathers. Dr. Bryant even told them that the mothers are "victims" of Cam and Nick wanting children by them. This is the same 42 year old never married and childless female wanting "beautiful children" herself. When and how?! But she never said that she never wanted to be married first. In my opinion, I believe that she's bitter, pass her fertile years, not seriously sought after, and jealous of BM that are still able to get younger females and reproduce.
Totally agree! If more bm didn't coddle other blk men and just told them the hard honest truth there would be a change in behavior...
Well said. I definitely appreciate the comments from the last gentleman. Accepting and acknowledging the impact of your decisions. 👌
Guys… stop drinking the absentee father kool-aid. Only Ryan is willing to be honest and hold Black fathers accountable. Thank you Ryan 🙏🏾. Channing. Fred. To both of you-Your words are power. Our community is broken. Start speaking change to our men. They listen to you.
You didn't listen to what anyone said here because they both agreed it wasn't okay.
Hold All Fathers
Yea, channing basically agreed with her at least to some degree. He's providing but how much fathering can he actually be splitting himself between different homes/households
@@Anthonystark63his kids live with him slow mo.
@@Anthonystark63 facts....and didnt Cam say they all live(the kids in the same house
Thank you Ryan.
Channing articulated his stance well
They aren’t absentee fathers that was there point!
I would rather have kids even by multiple woman!
Than be 40 alone with no partner and no kids!
Being bitter calling other woman low functioning !
Why do it always seem these high functioning woman alone with no man and no kids?!
Don’t no high functioning man want that type woman! They are unpleasant, combative and selfish!
Some nerve for a person with no home she just got a house!
To talk about a broken home, home not house being key word!
Also let’s keep it real you talking about 2 rich man when majority broken homes come from the mothers leaving! That’s facts is it not facts
On top of that majority of the woman can’t support the family they broke up so now the normal man pays double!
Lost his family and money
@@rarebreedjoat9803 To each its own my man 👍🏾
@@rarebreedjoat9803*their point
@@bscsneakerguy4401That guy is under every comment saying the same thing. It's disturbing. We get it. You support dusty behavior.
@@Pleaseopenyoureyes no it wasn’t they all was saying the safe thing instead of keeping 💯
She's Absolutely right!!
Facts💯
Father present over money, all day , everyday! But each to their own
Im proud of you guys for being honest about this situation. Im sure you all are great fathers
I’m an active father in the home. Married 6yrs. I’m with my kids all day and I felt some kind of way about what she said. 😂
You need to be telling woman that!
This 2 rich man
But majority of broken homes woman do it!
And still can’t support the kids
So the normal man which is majority lose his kid and money do to the woman!
So stop it! Rich man always done this!
Worry about majority of the single homes and why they are that way!
He’s not in their kids life everyday that’s the point she’s making
@@rarebreedjoat9803if a man cheats, beats on his woman or is just overall disrespectful to his girl and she decides to leave the man . Whose fault is it really? That’s majority of the situation your talking about
@@newlife6265 name a famous/ working billionaire working millionaire is home with their kids every day?
@@newlife6265 also that’s a woman with no kids and no man who is she to tell someone else how to raise their kids?
I’ve been listening to Ryan Clark for a few years, this guy is very impressive. He’s making so much sense on this topic.