I don’t think we will ever know if something happened between Ethan and Daphne, but I do think that Daphne could try to hurt Cam but not Harper. Daphne knows her relationship is messed up but hurting others just to get revenge does not seem like her character. Unless she is wearing a mask and never fully revealed her true self.
Yea they definitely messed around because they showed Ethan stop and think right before following daphne to the island. I think the 4 of them will be back next season at the Maldives White Lotus resort.
I did not see that coming at all! Hate she died. I don't think Ethan would go for her seduction but you never know. He was pretty defeated with his relationship, not trusting or believing her which proved to be right.
@@bryanalstoncoxingI think that when everything is investigated and they see the hotel survalience they will see Portia was there and I'm sure they will want to talk to her since she makes it home.. I imagine Portia is terrified because Jack tells her "be smart yeh" and now that most are dead I bet she will spill the deets since Quinten and his minions were murdered by Tonya. And Greg is going to be piiiiiissssed.
I thought it was notable that in order to get Dom to wire Lucia the money, Albie ends up selling out his mom, promising to feed her lines about Dom that might cause her to go back to him and get hurt again. He loses regard to the impact it has on his mom because he’s so caught up in saving Lucia. This and the fact that he joins his father and grandfather in turning around to look at the woman in the airport suggested that as much as he’s trying, he’s ultimately the same as the other two and hurting women due to his desire.
seeing it differently. he said " I've already talked to her" meaning I thk he believed there was some measure of sincerity in his father's pledge to win her back : )
His kindness certainly wasn’t selfless and I don’t think he was actually in love with her beyond being in lust. The $50.000 didn’t mean anything to him, when he says: “She played me”, he is already over it showing the same disconnect to money and true feeling as most characters in this show. His father and him are probably very similar how they both think of themselves as the good guy. It’s likely Albie will end up just like him. His sister refused to talk to their father after what he did to their mother, but Albie was happy to sweep it under the rug to enjoy a nice vacation. They’re two sides of the same coin.
I think Albie likes to think of himself as the good guy, and IS trying to be one, just. Some feelings are hard to ignore. He’s also a rich kid all around, money don’t mean jack shit to him. Losing 50k didn’t faze him for even a second. But I don’t think he sells out his mom tho. Remember, he has no reason to believe his father was anything other than remorseful over their break up. WE know about the escorts, Alfie doesnt. Plus, he’s obviously the peacemaker of the family, which is why he came on the vacation even though he didn’t agree with his father’s actions. And yeah, he uses the talking with mom thing as leverage for the money, but he does it anyway, before knowing his father made a decision. Again, for all he knows, his father wasn’t anything other than faithful and missing his mom on this trip.
@@TruBlu65 ion know...while everything albie says is technically true about dom, he still might have done that with the expectation his fathet would just cave due to karmic reparations or the like. On the other hand, dom is only sincere in wanting to put his family back together, rather than seeing his wife as a monogamous romantic partner. It's all about the chase and not being the bad guy. As soon as he gets her back, he will revert to his old habits
The shot where Cameron is flossing his teeth in the bathroom while Daphne is on the phone with their child. You can see in his reaction that Cameron is aware that their child is not his but the trainers child! They are playing games fully aware of each other but choosing not to acknowledge them to maintain the facade of happiness!
I thought that baby was her trainers maybe but when she gave the photo of her kids to Harper instead of showing her the trainer - maybe she is telling Harper to have a child - a baby. That is how Daphne spends most of her time with - her blond, blue-eyed little man and her baby she almost died having.
Definitely the funniest part was Tanya asking the boat captain for help because "these gays are trying to kill me", then giving up upon him saying that he's also gay
Tanya’s life had been a drama from start to finish. She was lonely, awkward and desperately searching for love which she never found. Her final moments were as painful and tragic as her entire life had been. Let’s hope she haunts that bald headed bastard of an excuse for a husband in season 3.
Tanya spends her life searching for things like love/companionship, authenticity, adventure, and happiness to the point where she obsesses over those things. I think that's why she's so endearing to the audience... because we can all empathize with her search. That being said, the only reason she can pursue those things and feed her obsession is because she was born insanely rich. She's never had to go through the type of arduous cathartic journey that gives you companionship, authenticity, adventure, or happiness. It's also important to highlight the fact that she chooses to avoid that cathartic journey. She chooses to ignore the trauma from her past by not addressing it, she chooses to ignore Belinda's business proposal and a chance to gain a friend/make a meaningful contribution in someone's life, and she chooses to ignore Greg's disloyalty/infidelity. So in the end, while her death is unfortunate, I wouldn't say it's tragic because she chooses to remain pampered, aloof, and disillusioned.
Yeah, I was so blind to Tanya being a potential victim, I thought it was gonna be Jack after he spared Portia. I guess maybe no he survives since Tanya took everyone out?
One thing I hadn’t noticed is that when Daphne was telling Harper about her trainer (a handsome blond, blue-eyed man), she basically confirms that her kids are the offspring of her trainer instead of Cameron considering neither he nor Daphne are blonde. This is also hinted when Daphne’s FaceTiming her kids and tells Cameron to come say hi. His moment of hesitation tells me he knows they’re not his and doesn’t really see himself as their father. Another one of the games this couple plays with each other.
@@karentanner4002 Honestly, I had similar but fundementally different idea. Maybe the next season could revolve around Tanya's past, specifically the very first trip she took to the White Lotus hotel as a way to celebrate the launch of her company (or whatever her first big break was really). We then find out that she hasnt broken out alone, but with a female business partner who actually done majority of the work. Long story short, Tanya screws that person over in multiple different ways, basically ruinning her life, and then s3 ends by showing that woman being Greg's mistress who helped him plot Tanya's demise since before the occurances in season 1 happened.
The scene in the airport where all 3 generations of Di Grasso men stare at the pretty girl shows that despite how they say they’re different from their father, not much has changed. Also if Albie and Portia show up in the next season, it’ll definitely be as a new couple going on their first vacation who are arguing all the time.
I sincerely hope that F. Murray Abrahams and Michael Imperioli receive TV awards or nominations for their excellent work in season 2 of The White Lotus.
Earlier in the season, the tarot reader lady got freaked out and said something like "la pazzia ti porta a suicidio" meaning the madness leads you to suicide!!! she was right lol the ending made me chuckle like why tf didn't she just walk down the steps on the back of the yacht??
I was yelling at the TV ‘use the f**king steps!’ But she was so freaked out, she didn’t figure it out. Everyone was dead, no one was chasing her, she freaked & flailed & drowned.
I thought Greg or Quentin would be in the water, based upon the beginning of the episode when the employee said that it was a guest. Tanya had it made but fear took over. The other dude jumped into the water. The only person left was the captain of the boat and he ran. I kept screaming, Tanya, take the stairs! Remember that Quinton mentioned, “Die for Beauty.” And Tanya was put together under the water...her jewelry, her dress, appeared to stay in place. Poor baby.
I don't know why people are complaining about who died. I thought it was perfect! Tanya shooting em all and then jumping off the boat to her death? That is so her character. Coolidge could submit this episode and win another Emmy. I'm happy the locals are safe and won in the end. It was the opposite last season so I didn't want it to happen it again. Like last season, all of them could get nominated and I'd be happy. But I really need Fahy and Plaza to be in there.
Tanya is a fan favorite, you need to realize. There’s no question, Coolidge will get awards nominations for this season. I think that’s all I need to say. Do you still not understand why people are upset?
@@viewer409 Eh, that's the issue there. People thought she had plot armor. That's what made the ending really great, it was unexpected (coz they thought Coolidge would be back for S3) yet also unsurprising (coz it was so Tanya). The whole thing was so funny.
It's really sad when you think about where we started last season with Tanya with her being happy with Greg and everything, just for that to end up like this with such a tragic ending. Jennifer did a great job with this performance though.
The character was such a self absorbed, dependant and infantile mess tho that I found satisfaction in it. The only thing that bothered me was the lack of Greg's comeuppance. Btw, I don't think there is a lawyer in the world that would draw up a prenup like that!
Oh the finale was great. Very Mark White. When I saw Tanya looking down at the boat, I knew she was going to drop to her death. So poetic. Season 1, Tanya was talking about her crazy mother and throwing her ashes in the ocean. She ended up just like her mother. If Tanya were to survive, she would not be able to deal with the consequences of her actions. Ethan and Harper came to Sicily with a lot of tension (see episode 1), and left “happier”. Portia got what she wanted. The Di Grasso’s are all the same, just different versions. All of them are liars who are willing to do things for women. Mia and Lucia got what they wanted.
@@MrTrinifather for the right price, he was willing to put a good word with his mother about his father. Albie knew that his dad messed up and did not deserve forgiveness. Technically he did lie to his mom just to get the money for Lucia. It was not out of the goodness of his heart he did it, but rather for his own benefit.
@@MrTrinifather he lied to his mum about his dad being a better man now, potentially causing his mum future pain - but he didn’t care about what that meant for her as long as it got him what he wanted.
Can we talk about the minor character, Matteo, crying as he said goodbye to Tanya? He stayed behind as everyone left and was crying even though he barely just met Tanya.
Tanya's death was very interesting to me because it was so stupid but in character. I was like why didn't she take off her heels? why didn't she go down the stairs like the guy who jumped off and swim to the boat, why didn't she find the required lifejacket on board? But it's like this is TANYA of course she drops her phone of the rail, of course she falls into the water 😂😂😂
Also it was foreshadowed before by that tarot card lady saying some madness is going to happen + she was drunk in a panic state where even the smartest do blunders & fuck up.
@@m0n0deferiathe whole time I was yelling at her to find a life jacket and swim to shore. Boats are legally supposed to carry a certain number of life jackets (at least in the states). The boat was definitely close enough to make getting to shore feasible with the help of a life jacket.
@@CaulkMongler Yep, technically there was no more danger and she could have taken her time to decide her next move. But that would have been a boring ending. This death is perfect Tanya.
I was terrified of the men who kidnapped Tanya for the trip to Palermo. The story was excellent; the opera, Niccolo's night with Tanya as a method to gain her trust, and Jack's crass personality and eventual deceit. The fact that Tanya figured out the entire plan and still ended up dead was just heartbreaking. She was the most lovable character of the two seasons
I think that Ethan and Harper's ending was more about turning into Cameron and Daphne as a couple. They started out making fun of them and not wanting to be like them and by the they were pretending everything was ok and having dinner with each other.
If you look at it, I think the whole show is about everyone turning into what they resented at the beginning. Albie, without realizing, is turning into the toxic man that he sees his father and grandfather as. Mia, who didn’t seem too fond of Lucia’s lifestyle, ultimately ends up benefitting from the same actions. Portia is just as lost and confused as Tanya was.
The final scene of Ethan and Harper in the airport shows that they have ended up becoming exactly the same kind of couple as Cameron and Daphne, in the scene they mirror Cameron and Daphne as appearing loving and affectionate but like the other couple they are both now keeping secrets from each other. It is their secrets that let them maintain the facade of happiness
Exactly my thought too. I'm more upset with Ethan, he should have listened to his wife, grabbed her by the hand and said "we're leaving this dumpster fire." It was strange to me why Ethan was friends with Cameron, just like his wife said. Ethan was weak and let a weasel of a man come into his marriage.
Exactly. They do not get a happy ending at all. I kinda like that though bc Harper was being so self-righteous and judgy the whole time and now she's going to end up just like Daphne, but with no skillset to make it work.
Who is to say she didn’t deserve that, she was a blundering ‘symphony’ of careless use of humans. She mind f**ked the masseuse last season, constantly insulted Portia & others. Her blundering nature killed her at the end, sadly!
@@ceciliaSF-TX Gladly in my opinion. Such disregard for other human beings always has a price to be paid in the end.The worshippers of wealth could learn something from this episode.
Tanya was an oblivious and self centered woman, so I was not surprised. But I did like her character and was cheering her on when she took those men out.
Loved the ending! This season is truly better than the last. Daphne’s performance was so superb. The scene when Ethan told her about Harper and Cameron was heartbreaking. She showed two deep emotions that in a split second snapped back to survival mode. Cameron’s expression while he was in the bathroom says a whole lot about him as a person and truly show that he knows that one the two if not both kids are not his. 👏🏼👏🏼
omg, That IS his kid. Some people just didn't get that Daphney was actually talking about being a mom and having a kid to "save" a relationship. She suggested Harper "get a trainor" . . .aka have a kid. That's why Harper thought she was long gone crazy Stepford wife who died inside a long time ago. It just shows him as being the narcissist he is . . .even as a dad. He comes first before anyone in his mind. For Daphney, her kid comes first.
Yes. Remember she was saying that she doesn't have female friends because they always get jealous and try to sleep with her husband. I think she felt sad and betrayed because she thought Harper was a new friend and the same thing happened again after she specifically told Harper about her friends constantly betraying her.
@@JDMimeTHEFIRST Oh, see I thought by "get a trainer," she meant, "Have an affair." Or at least flirt with someone to make her husband jealous. But yeah, I didn't think the kids weren't his. I just thought he's not really into this life as a husband and father, but he pretends he is. My question is why. Like, does he feel he needs to have the wife and kids to maintain his image of having it all?
5:19 I read the trainer bit as Daphne admitting to Harper that she had an affair with her trainer and their older kid is not Cameron's. She's saying that while Cam sleeps around and gets into trouble with women, she also has her own games she plays. Daphne was telling Harper that she needs to do whatever it takes to make herself happy with Ethan.
Tanya wasn't exactly the most graceful person - sitting awkwardly on the Vespa, lumbering around the hotel and the beach like a huge zombie, and finally clumsily tumbling off the yacht like a drunk bigfoot on skates seemed appropriate for her character. Unfortunate, but fitting.
So glad someone else called a spade a spade. I feel Jennifer's acting was so terrible and lazy, the same tropes of a wealthy American just shitting on everyone and everything she just never loved herself enough even with millions to be good to herself, but to do that she would of had to work...something she has absolutely no interest in ever doing.
I thought her character was annoying, though well played. The point of the show is to kill off someone. Everyone seems to want to bring characters back. It's supposed to be a new locale and new people each season. White kept Tania because he liked her character, but as she said at the end of Season 1, "Death is the last immersive experience I didn't have." It was time for her to go.
Tanya was a tragic character. She was abandoned , unloved and her instinct was on point all the way through. That's why people love her, because she is clearly deeply hurting and her pain and paranoia seem to be actually justified
The complete 180 Valentina does, going from using her position to be in control when dealing with Mia in the beginning of the season to Mia using her position to take control of Valentina by the end of the season.
I liked the finale although I felt it somehow anti-climatic. It became clear that Tanya was in great danger and that Greg and Quentin were conspiring to take her money. I am not surprised that Quentin was broke because he didn't really work and had a very expensive life style, actually, Daphne and Cameron gave a hint of that early on when they commented on the fact that European aristocrats have gorgeous properties but no cash. I feel a bit sorry for Daphne but I am sure that something definetely happened with Ethan and that she's OK with being married with a douchebag and that the two of them have their sexual affairs, I know couples like that in real life. As for Portia, Jack spared her life because he could have killed her, but the target was not her but Tanya. Finally, I wasn't wrong about Lucia!!! She and her friend Alessio staged everything but fortunately the only thing Albie lost was money.
Definitely feel that Daphne is the mastermind in all this. She married Cameron for the lavish life style and money. Her kids are blonde and blue eyed, just like her trainer. And Cameron seemed annoyed going to talk to his kids in the last episode. Seems he might know they aren’t his. She said she’s not a victim to Harper. Meaning, she’s probably the one in control in their relationship.
@@VioletDrive oppa very very nice observations dude. Even when she was saying "see this is the picture of the trainer" ...it showed the picture of her kids wow
@@VioletDrive also fitting that Daphne the one who refuses to see anything wrong ever is the one that finds a dead body and finally has to see something wrong and be upset.
I didn't interpret it as Lucia and Alessio working together. I thought he was her boyfriend pissed off that she's sleeping with other people. Of course, Lucia woukdng admit this. At the end, with the help from Albie's money, she gives it up. That's why Alessio and Lucia have a happy moment at the end. So in a way, Albie did help her and free her. Just what I was thinking.
Lol Lucia didn’t look back because she felt good ppl like Albie existed… she looked back because she felt a tinge of guilt… which lasted less then a minute ! I’m sure she met many gullible men
@Akshay Natu yep, she obviously did that fakery w pimp trying to hurt her before … even I believed her! I thought she was the dead body in the beginning ! Killed by her pimp friend !!!
I thought the situation was completely a "karmic payment", but not in the way that Albie initially described. Lucia barely got paid by Cameron, which makes me think that wealthy guests in the hotel routinely screw her over with money. In Season One, all of the guests really betrayed all of the Hawaiian locals; I loved that the Sicilian locals flipped the script and had happy endings. Absolutely loved the girls' "Sicilian Victory Lap" at the end. A ride or die friend truly is one of the best free things in life.
Season 2 was such a good ride. Not sure why people are unhappy with it. Hope to get an answer about Greg in season 3, but overall the characters were so well developed & had conclusions that made sense.
I like how the boy got what he thought he wanted and got played and the girl got what she thought she wanted and got played. They both meet again and realize maybe it’s better to chill out lol
It would have been funnier if it was revealed Quentin and the others weren’t actually trying to kill Tanya but just trying to cause infidelity as was speculated, but then she got paranoid and killed them all. Big misunderstanding. There’s definitely still a lot of mystery left in this season and unanswered questions to the point that it feels like cowardly writing. Like what happened with Ethan and Daphne? Who cares, just don’t show it. Whereas the first season was more straightforward.
That’s what I though too. When she went on her killing spree, I was like….What if this is just a big misunderstanding and Greg really just wanted her to cheat on him so he could divorce her? Regardless, it would also be very Tanya.
Id love to see Greg return just to suffer for the whole of season 3. He doesn't deserve to have Tanya's millions, I need Justice for Tanya!!! Also I wonder where the next hotel will be?
I’m guessing Maldives from Cameron saying to the couple group they should do the trip again next year there. And Mike White has said S3 will most likely be in Asia.
At the beginning of episode 5, Tanya tells Portia that she talked to 'Billy Offer' about an annulment. I am hoping that Billy is Tanya's lawyer and that Portia knows who he is, and as Tanya's assistant, will work with him to investigate Gregg's role in her death.
I thought Greg had tried to set Tanya up to cheat on him so he'd get her money in the divorce, didn't think he planned to full on take her out!!! That was a twist for me.
Ethan was emasculated by Cameron- When Ethan finally conquers Cameron, financially and more important-physically, it ultimately helped his marriage to Harper
This season was, as you said, the best I've seen in a long time, one that I can't stop talking about. Excellent work and very difficult to beat! I hope that the third season doesn't let us down.
White Lotus is such a good series. I hope it goes on and on. The fact that it is on location in fabulous spots, with people on vacation (rich and servant classes) is just so delicious, and then we get all these interesting characters, and a whodunit too!
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I’m so shocked by all of your comments. Cameron is raising the kids as his own; he’s either in or out. What does it matter the kids don’t share his genes at this point?
Tanya could perfectly be back on season 3 if they do that season a prequel, she has obviously visited other white lotus hotels between Hawaii and Sicily.
That’s just sloppy story-telling though. After only 2 seasons, they go back in prequel? It hasn’t been long enough of a series run. Unfortunately, I think for the character, this is it. Tanya was my favorite.
I think they've done enough with the character. Tanya's done enough damage to the world. lol. Bringing her back would be a retread and gimmick and I think Mike White is more ambitious than that.
For the build up of everything leading to the finale I thought it fell short. Still a good season but finale could've wrapped it up better. It is poetic however how Tanya in the last season of episode 1 talked about how death was the only adventure she had yet to go on.
Daphne telling Harper to get herself a trainer wasn’t referring to her having a kid, it was about finding her own way to get even with Ethan to help herself not feel like a victim aka find someone to cheat with. The kid in the picture she showed had the same hair and eye color as the trainer she just described when she was supposed to be showing a pic of the trainer. It’s heavily implied the kid isn’t Cameron’s and is the trainer’s kid. Not sure how you missed this.
Damn i picked up the first but but I didn’t pick up that the kid with blonde hair and blue eyes is the trainer’s kid. Holy fuck that’s a massive way Daphne got back at Cameron.
Yes thats why shes fine with cameron cheating, she did way worse. Then Ethan is fine with harper cheating at the end because he slept with daphne and got even
The lesson of the season is- Things are always as they appear. Tanya was the obvious victim storyline, still devastated re Tanya, more than expected. Glad she went down fighting. Lucia was playing Albie. Harper did have something happen with Cameron.
Albie and Portia get married. Albie's family passes away in a freak accident during season 3, leaving a large inheritance all to him. In season 4, Albie dies while on a vacation with Portia. She inherits his fortune. Season 5 set in the future, Jennifer Coolidge returns to The White Lotus as a old version of Portia.
The while lotus’ deaths are not dramatic, they are accidents, like in S1 Armond was stabbed by accident and in this season Tanya’s death was also an accident.
Tanya did not fck around. She sensed danger, took action and did what was necessary to survive. I just wish she would have had more common sense smh! She could have taken one of the guys phones to look up the resort to have them send the police or a boat to come get her. There's no way I would jump off a yacht like that (WITH heels on). Poor thang!! Now Portia, she had multiple opportunities to escape from Jack and her dumb ass keep going along with him. The morning when she realized she was in danger, she should have stolen his phone...flagged down a guy on a motorbike to ask for a ride to the police station. Or get a taxi back and pay them when she arrived to the resort. As someone who travels often, you just gotta be ready for anything and the locals would have easily helped her to safety.
I was upset with Portia: she kept letting Jack dictate was too much! *Take me to the party! Later, I am too drunk, taking you somewhere else! *he takes her phone, is cagey, snaps at her when using his phone, she still stays with him. Portia may have saved Tanya, maybe not, but she stayed w/Jack way too long. Argh! That was so annoying!
Did anyone else realise that Harper and Daphne are both named after authors? :D Daphne Du Maurier and Harper Lee. Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird is about a trial, and Harper in the White Lotus is a lawyer. Daphne du Maurier wrote Rebecca which is about the mystery surrounding a woman's drowning, and TWL Daphne is the one to discover the body.
I still can’t get over Tanya was killed off lol. Even though she died from hitting her head on the boat upon plunging into the sea, I didn’t think she was going to die as a fan favorite! Was super shocked.
I think Jack had been ordered to kill Portia, but a reluctance to have murder on his conscience and a soft spot for her made him let her go at the last minute
I never thought that Jack was doing anything more than keeping Portia away from Tanya. Once she found the photo of Greg and Quintin I knew that she was the focus of a murder plot. No way would there be an adultery clause in the prenup or something like that. Greg wasn’t interested in the expense of a divorce and the risk of not getting what he wanted. He wanted all of Tanya’s money not a portion of it. The hitch for Greg- Portia knows what happened. She knows everything and was trying to warn Tanya on the phone but it was too late. Tanya told her about the photo of Greg and that if she died he got everything according to the prenup. She’ll be a target of Greg’s until he’s charged and put on trial and he already didn’t like her. Once she knows about Tanya’s death she’ll have to contact the authorities. The story isn’t going to be a happy ending for Greg.
@@realsuperchanchan I’d like to rewatch that too and see which one of them started talking to the other and who was the pursuer. Plus- Greg is supposedly at the lower end of the working class, so what was he doing at an exclusive resort? He supposedly had cancer but did he? In this season we know that Tanya paid a ton of money for treatment but it’s hard to picture her going with him to a hospital for chemo. He may have made that up too.
The ending where Albie and his father and grandfather in the airport looking at that hot girl that walked by is the perfect example of when the grandfather told Albie dad "Like Father Like Father Like Son"
I'm cool with the ending, except for Daphne's part. She really showed how strong she was at the end. Really hope after her conversation with Ethan, she would fly home alone leaving Cameron behind instead of finding Tanya's body at the beach. She appeared to be a minor character but her preserverance and strength really stood out at the end.
@@lindajohnsonkaplan647 lmao was thinking the same. she's not strong, she just likes to cheat back as a way of rebelling against her husband who cheats. wouldn't rlly call her strong. having intimacy with ethan wasn't exactly "empowering" lol
@@bd1043 No. It was an ugly move. If she was strong she would be the better person and not lower herself to the level of her bottom feeder husband. Trying to out-wrong each other doesn’t create a win.
Especially that last scene where that video chatted and Cam was almost annoyed when Daphne calls him to say hi, then proceeds to fake it, cause that's the whole game on their marriage.
Yeah when Daphne suggested Harper get a trainer, I don’t think Daphne meant have a child. She meant get a side piece so you don’t feel like a victim. And her side piece led to a child that was not Cameron’s.
Nope. Some people REALLY didn't understand that conversation . . That IS his kid. Daphney was actually talking about being a mom and having a kid to "save" a relationship. She suggested Harper "get a trainor" . . .aka have a kid. That's why Harper thought she was long gone crazy Stepford wife who dies inside a long time ago. It just shows him as being the narcissist he is . . .even as a dad. He comes first before anyone in his mind. For Daphney, her kid comes first.
@@FireJach I believe that is true. It just seems dumb to me and unrealistic. IRL they would likely soon revert back to "dead bed" syndrome. There's a reason Ethan lost interest in being intimate with Harper. Spouse swapping on vacation seems like a short term, silly fix and anti-climatic.
I love Tanya's character so much. But sometimes I wanted to smack her. Like you just met this man and his friends and you are going to go with your assistant on a yacht to another town with someone you only met a few days ago? Seriously? She just has such a trusting nature and Greg completely took advantage of her being blind by attention and affection. Also she doesn't seem to understand "old money" because in her mind Quinten has all of these things yacht, palazzo, extravagant parties... but 0 funds according to Jack. But he is going to help alllll his buddies when he gets paid by Greg to wine and dine Tanya and kill her. It made me sick because she just wanted to be loved and fit in somewhere. At least her character didn't die in vain. She took out a majority of the guys plotting her death. May her poor character rest in peace.
I mean most people would go on a yacht with some rich people if the opportunity came. Easy to say in hindsight as an observer "oh I would never do that".
Not even one word on how s***** of an assistant and of a human being Porcia was by not calling help when she knew Tanya was in trouble on the yacht and just walking away?!
Cameron def knows that his kid is not his, and Daphane cheated with trainer. She shows photo of her kid to Harper by accident and image of kid matches the description of the trainer - also you can tell when he is flossing his teeth..
I was waiting for this video all morning :D loved the show, the ending was so tense but then anti climactic, which was also perfect as that is how life works. Best show, on par with Succession
Daphne actually had a trainer that she sleeps with to make her not the victim of Cameron’s cheating, she took it so far that she actually had a child with the trainer (blonde hair and blue eyes) that Cameron believes is his own.. but Daphne knows the truth about her child’s father
I don't think cam doesn't know about the kids, you can see it on his annoyed face when they were making video call, when Daphne keeps calling him, he looks uninterested to see them kids, then proceeds to fake it, cause that's just how their marriage vibe.
I didn't see that but your so correct. Cam is as dark complected as the little boy was blonde. It's possible Cam knows and his being the way he is comes from bitterness. You could really run with the Cam and Daphne characters.
Yep. I think people do Daphne a disservice by assuming her showing Harper the pic of her kids is just saying she only stays and does stuff for her kiddos. She's pretty clearly saying at least one of their kid's isn't Cam, and this is how she keeps score. If Cam fucks up, she can take revenge. If they got divorced, she'd be totally fine, it'd be Cameron who'd be in trouble without her. I personally think she's the most Machiavellian and intelligent character on the show, she knows how to make things work for her.
Nope. Some people REALLY didn't understand that conversation . . That IS his kid. Daphney was actually talking about being a mom and having a kid to "save" a relationship. She suggested Harper "get a trainor" . . .aka have a kid. That's why Harper thought she was long gone crazy Stepford wife who dies inside a long time ago. It just shows him as being the narcissist he is . . .even as a dad. He comes first before anyone in his mind. For Daphney, her kid comes first.
this season was about sex and how sex and lust can mess up people’s lives. Lucia and Portia are the personification of this. The last scene of them walking off together happy was perfect
I noted such interesting contrasts to "sex". The Italian girls know that window of a size 2 body and flawless skin has a sale by date. Ain't gonna last forever. They have no problem using men's desire for that same tight body to benefit long-term goals with the batting of nut-brown eyes and fluttering eyelashes, the shoulder-bend inwards in delight as Lucia wins her coveted piano gig.. (NOTE: Always get the money up fron, girls. Always.). Then, purchase that trendy, well-placed dress shop, selliing cute little dresses to other size 2 girls to aid their dreams to come true. Assuming Greg is bi-sexual (Season 1 intimacies with Tayna seemed at that time not to difficult to accomplish but apparently he, too, has long-range goals) and age is catching up up to him; perhaps time to cash in on his sicilian connection?. The Bert and Michael / father and son duo are expert at the thrill, however temporary, of disposable sex, as meaningful emotional commitment is beyond their reach. Though Michael catches a glimpse of the gift he has been avoiding all these years and it may, just may, last until he reaches home. Quentin & Company are expert at denying the body at their feet with the gun smoking in their hands -- until Tanya, eyes impossibly even narrower, gets to it before they do. The half-billionaire's dilemna: "Is my husband cheating on me?" because heaven forfend Greg is getting something that she, his wife, is not. (The equivalent of the half-billinaire worryingly counting his change as he leaves McDonald's.) And the couples dance their couples dance, the desire of another for his wife igniting a forgoten desire in her husband; looking the other way when your wife presents an impossibly blond, blue-eyed baby because you, handsome lad, are unlikely to find another cool, calm and collected Daphne anywhere else. We do, in our heart of our viewer hearts, hope Valetina will find a lovely gal dancing the night away at a local lesbian bar to take home with her -- on the way, picking up that stray cat. Jack, hollow-eyed with fear that no amount of booze will ultimately lay to rest and blackmailed by Quentin into Portia-watching duty, is forever lost, he seems doomed to speed off a narrow Sicilian road and expire in flames. Sex is, literally, just a job to Jack; the girls still think it is fun. They better get that dress stop because one day, it shall no longer be fun. And I think Portia will return; pity she had to leave her laptop at the hotel . . . Missing: What is the financial opportunity hinted at by Cameron to suddenly wealthy Greg and gently nudged by Daphne to Harper?
Her entire focus was to get back to Tanya that episode & once they talked & figured out what was going on, her focus shifted to saving her own life. Portia hears the news that “a tourist” drowned, so she highly suspects it’s Tanya, but that’s not a confirmation. Also, Portia is still heeding Jack’s warning to get on the plane and get out of the country because she is also told of all the bodies on the boat. She’s looking to hang out with Albie & his family for some safety. No time to mourn when you’re laying low. Both she AND Tanya aren’t very good at seeing upcoming problems and they both are good at deluding themselves in the moment.
The finale was amazing! I gay gasped when Tanya fell off the boat and I could not believe it. She assassinated those men with her eyes shut only to then die a clumsy death. RIP Tanya, you'll be missed in season 3 ❤
What was Tanya's hurry to get off the boat? Surely she could have just stayed on and used someone's cell phone. The driver of the boat must have called someone. If that was her husband's picture why was it not hidden by the host? Also her cell phone falling overboard was a push. These are some problems I had with the plot. Her trying to jump off the boat was unbelievable. Also why didn't the guy just leave the bag on the small boat?
1) Tanya's was hurrying to get off the boat because she was in a state of panic, you don't think clearly in a mindset like that, Tanya also isn't very smart so this is quite keeping with her character to just want to run away as quickly as possible 2) They stated earlier on you don't get reception out there. 3)Tanya was never suppose to be in the host's bedroom that's why she snuck in afterwards. 4)The bag also has the videography of her cheating on Greg which i'm sure makes the prenup null and avoid.
tanya killed like 4 people. plus one of them got away and could be calling others to finish the job. the driver would probably call the police. now imagine how that would play out? an American woman found with 4 dead bodies and a captain (who doesn’t speak english) hiding on the upper deck? she would certainly go to jail because how can she prove anything? fleeing the scene was her best bet. the bag contained rope so i’m assuming they wanted to drug her and tie her up then toss her into the boat (in case she was reluctant maybe?) i’m guessing drug her by the way one of them pushed 2 glasses of wine towards her after the mafia guy went to check his bag. as for the picture, it could’ve just been a careless mistake. i think of it as a mistress having her married lover as her phone wallpaper. and the wife sees it by accident because she asks to borrow her phone? yes i have way too much time on my hands 🤣🤣
I felt like the couples story had a really big buildup but no resolution , like nothing surprinsing/shocking happened and it didnt tie up the stories like the other season did . Like daphne who found the body had nothing to do with Tanya.
I thought the whole thing about Daphne telling harper to get a trainer and showed a pictured of her kids meant that she ended up getting pregnant and having the trainers baby since she described her trainer to be blonde haired and blue eyes. The boy in the picture had blonde hair and blue eyes as well 🤷♀️
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I’ll miss Tanya but at least she went out like a boss & took most of them with her. Her death was tragic but people do really stupid things when they panic so it’s not unbelievable something like that could happen.
Excellent writing on both White Lotus seasons. I like that both end with some happy endings and some not-so-happy. Tania mentioned that she didn't have a purpose which put her in a crazy place. Daphane basically calmed Ethan down to stop thinking so much. Do you want to be a victim or enjoy what's in front of you? Even if a kiss or something happened on the walk, it made him realize he loved Haper. I loved the long pause and look she gave after Ethan told her he thought something was happening with Cameron and Harper.
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Finale was amazing. The moment Tanya jumped from that boat, it was so real. Not all people react to trauma like Hollywood shows us. Another brilliant season! And I see it has been renewed for season 3! Can not wait! I will miss Tanya. That death was so sad and yet so brilliant! ♥
What happened to one of the men who stayed back at that house or hotel with the curly black hair? He was not on the boat, so he survived. I think he will be on Season 3 in connection with Greg.
Incredible season! Thanks for the great recap! Very bummed about Tanya; such a colorful character who will be missed! I do think that something happened between Ethan and Daphne on the island & that it was the catalyst for renewing his passion with Harper. Hope it works out for them 🤞(I know it’s just a show, but it’s a testament to Mike White’s brilliance that we become soooo invested in all these characters.)👏 🌟
I don’t think that’s a pre-nup clause, that’s just the normal step. If your spouse dies, you inherit the properties and money. That’s fairly normal. Tanya has no other family, so her fortune would reasonably go to surviving spouse.
I don’t think the comment when Daphne said “get yourself a trainer” she meant have a child, it meant get yourself a sexy side piece and enjoy what freedoms you have
I don't know if you talked about this in previous episodes, but I think Daphne showing Harper the photo of her kid while talking about the trainer means, that the trainer is the father of that baby. In this episode, when Daphne asked Cameron to come to the phone to talk to their son, the hesitation and unwillingness he had, hints that he knows. So perhaps the last shot of them @10:58 is hinting that their relationship is always like a volcano, waiting to erupt.
Great summary - thanks! I'm puzzled as to why Quentin would drop hints regarding Tanya's intended fate. The "live for beauty" conversation includes his line "would you be willing to DIE for beauty?" He also makes it clear to Tanya that her designated "arm candy" Nicolo is connected to the Mafia. And of course the framed photo of a young Quentin with a young Greg. (And, one could argue, suggesting she's a Puccini heroine who dies at the end.)
I really felt like Tom Hollander was the MVP of the season, I know he's an incredible actor already but damn, the subtlety of going from this charming man to an accomplice in a murder scheme was just unnerving. So, so good
They were giving Tanya the best 'going away party' of her life. Remember she kept saying how beautiful the house was and he did ask her 'would you die for beauty? and gave her a look that she didn't see. She didn't answer the question then but she did on the boat. She fought for her life when she just could have accepted her fate.
@@viewer409 Tbh I actually thought the complete opposite lol. I fr thought that was just gonna provoke him even more to really kill her as soon as Portia dropped the bomb on him, now that she knows the entire truth💀
If both a millionaire and their assistant end up dead on vacation, don’t you think that’d lead to more suspicion? Jacks job was just to keep her away hence why he took her phone
Will Greg now get Tanya's money? If so, it would be really bad. Plus, with everything that was served to us this season, I strongly believe that Ethan and Daphne had something more on the island.
There’s no way Greg is getting Tanya‘s money. They found her dead body floating in the water with three other gunshot victims on the yacht. Portia is still alive and knows all the details so the second she has a confirmation that it’s Tanya who is dead and speaks to the police they’re going to piece it together. Especially if they go back to Quinton‘s house and find a picture of him with Greg
@@souleater0815 he’s not going to get anything once it’s revealed that he put a hit on her… All Portia has to do is speak to the police and it’s all over for him
I knew that it was Tanya when, right after the Peppa Pig line, she says "I am Monica Vitti" (famous Italian actress from the past) to which Valentina replies "Monica Vitti is dead".
Were you surprised by the ending of the season finale? Also - do you think anything happened between Ethan and Daphne? Comment your thoughts below!
I don’t think we will ever know if something happened between Ethan and Daphne, but I do think that Daphne could try to hurt Cam but not Harper.
Daphne knows her relationship is messed up but hurting others just to get revenge does not seem like her character. Unless she is wearing a mask and never fully revealed her true self.
Yea they definitely messed around because they showed Ethan stop and think right before following daphne to the island. I think the 4 of them will be back next season at the Maldives White Lotus resort.
For sure. Wasn’t there a condom floating in the sea near the end, when Tania was floating dead in the water?
I did not see that coming at all! Hate she died. I don't think Ethan would go for her seduction but you never know. He was pretty defeated with his relationship, not trusting or believing her which proved to be right.
@@pjyothi6533 Why would either one of them have condoms? Seems a little far fetched.
Y’all are tripping the finale was great, Tanya going on a killing spree and then killing herself on accident is hilarious
Yeah it oddly makes a lot of sense for her character to go out like that. I just hope Greg doesn’t get her money!
@@bryanalstoncoxingI think that when everything is investigated and they see the hotel survalience they will see Portia was there and I'm sure they will want to talk to her since she makes it home.. I imagine Portia is terrified because Jack tells her "be smart yeh" and now that most are dead I bet she will spill the deets since Quinten and his minions were murdered by Tonya. And Greg is going to be piiiiiissssed.
Yes! I was laughing out loud.
But now we will not see her on season 3
I felt bad for her. She wasn't in the right mind, but she didn't deserve what they did to her.
I thought it was notable that in order to get Dom to wire Lucia the money, Albie ends up selling out his mom, promising to feed her lines about Dom that might cause her to go back to him and get hurt again. He loses regard to the impact it has on his mom because he’s so caught up in saving Lucia. This and the fact that he joins his father and grandfather in turning around to look at the woman in the airport suggested that as much as he’s trying, he’s ultimately the same as the other two and hurting women due to his desire.
seeing it differently. he said " I've already talked to her" meaning I thk he believed there was some measure of sincerity in his father's pledge to win her back : )
His kindness certainly wasn’t selfless and I don’t think he was actually in love with her beyond being in lust. The $50.000 didn’t mean anything to him, when he says: “She played me”, he is already over it showing the same disconnect to money and true feeling as most characters in this show. His father and him are probably very similar how they both think of themselves as the good guy. It’s likely Albie will end up just like him. His sister refused to talk to their father after what he did to their mother, but Albie was happy to sweep it under the rug to enjoy a nice vacation. They’re two sides of the same coin.
Well put
I think Albie likes to think of himself as the good guy, and IS trying to be one, just. Some feelings are hard to ignore. He’s also a rich kid all around, money don’t mean jack shit to him. Losing 50k didn’t faze him for even a second.
But I don’t think he sells out his mom tho. Remember, he has no reason to believe his father was anything other than remorseful over their break up. WE know about the escorts, Alfie doesnt. Plus, he’s obviously the peacemaker of the family, which is why he came on the vacation even though he didn’t agree with his father’s actions. And yeah, he uses the talking with mom thing as leverage for the money, but he does it anyway, before knowing his father made a decision. Again, for all he knows, his father wasn’t anything other than faithful and missing his mom on this trip.
@@TruBlu65 ion know...while everything albie says is technically true about dom, he still might have done that with the expectation his fathet would just cave due to karmic reparations or the like. On the other hand, dom is only sincere in wanting to put his family back together, rather than seeing his wife as a monogamous romantic partner. It's all about the chase and not being the bad guy. As soon as he gets her back, he will revert to his old habits
The shot where Cameron is flossing his teeth in the bathroom while Daphne is on the phone with their child. You can see in his reaction that Cameron is aware that their child is not his but the trainers child! They are playing games fully aware of each other but choosing not to acknowledge them to maintain the facade of happiness!
Oooh nice catch! I just thought he was annoyed because he was stuck having to fake being a family man.
Hope they are both back in Lotus 3.
That thought crossed my mind.
I thought that baby was her trainers maybe but when she gave the photo of her kids to Harper instead of showing her the trainer - maybe she is telling Harper to have a child - a baby. That is how Daphne spends most of her time with - her blond, blue-eyed little man and her baby she almost died having.
I had that thought!
Definitely the funniest part was Tanya asking the boat captain for help because "these gays are trying to kill me", then giving up upon him saying that he's also gay
Tanya’s life had been a drama from start to finish. She was lonely, awkward and desperately searching for love which she never found. Her final moments were as painful and tragic as her entire life had been. Let’s hope she haunts that bald headed bastard of an excuse for a husband in season 3.
Ye
i didnt think u were supposed to like her in the end of season 1 ...
But also don’t forget she broke Belinda’s heart in season 1. Even so, i wish they didn’t kill her off bc she was my favorite character.
In an episode is said that she was abused when she was younger, maybe thats why she was so sad, needy and desperate for company and protection :(
Tanya spends her life searching for things like love/companionship, authenticity, adventure, and happiness to the point where she obsesses over those things. I think that's why she's so endearing to the audience... because we can all empathize with her search. That being said, the only reason she can pursue those things and feed her obsession is because she was born insanely rich. She's never had to go through the type of arduous cathartic journey that gives you companionship, authenticity, adventure, or happiness. It's also important to highlight the fact that she chooses to avoid that cathartic journey. She chooses to ignore the trauma from her past by not addressing it, she chooses to ignore Belinda's business proposal and a chance to gain a friend/make a meaningful contribution in someone's life, and she chooses to ignore Greg's disloyalty/infidelity. So in the end, while her death is unfortunate, I wouldn't say it's tragic because she chooses to remain pampered, aloof, and disillusioned.
I think Jack was supposed to kill Portia but he let her go
Agreed; I think a crisis of conscience saved her.
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Yeah, I was so blind to Tanya being a potential victim, I thought it was gonna be Jack after he spared Portia. I guess maybe no he survives since Tanya took everyone out?
Yup and think of how pissed Greg was when she brought Portia in the first place.
@@edelmantoamendola Greg should have died. He's been a douche from the start. Fake.
One thing I hadn’t noticed is that when Daphne was telling Harper about her trainer (a handsome blond, blue-eyed man), she basically confirms that her kids are the offspring of her trainer instead of Cameron considering neither he nor Daphne are blonde. This is also hinted when Daphne’s FaceTiming her kids and tells Cameron to come say hi. His moment of hesitation tells me he knows they’re not his and doesn’t really see himself as their father. Another one of the games this couple plays with each other.
You are very right, I hadn't think of it
True!! I am going to suspect affairs anytime someone mentions blonde kids in a HBO show :D
I wanted Tanya to remain a gateway guest to each White Lotus locale.
She still might, it may go back to pre scicily who knows ...and we will see how Gregg manipulates things xxx
Long lost twin 😂
Fr, I was hoping she’d be a reoccurring character.
Me too. I was gutted when she died
@@karentanner4002 Honestly, I had similar but fundementally different idea.
Maybe the next season could revolve around Tanya's past, specifically the very first trip she took to the White Lotus hotel as a way to celebrate the launch of her company (or whatever her first big break was really). We then find out that she hasnt broken out alone, but with a female business partner who actually done majority of the work.
Long story short, Tanya screws that person over in multiple different ways, basically ruinning her life, and then s3 ends by showing that woman being Greg's mistress who helped him plot Tanya's demise since before the occurances in season 1 happened.
The scene in the airport where all 3 generations of Di Grasso men stare at the pretty girl shows that despite how they say they’re different from their father, not much has changed.
Also if Albie and Portia show up in the next season, it’ll definitely be as a new couple going on their first vacation who are arguing all the time.
Great observation on that one. Yep, they're a lot more similar to one another than they think.
I sincerely hope that F. Murray Abrahams and Michael Imperioli receive TV awards or nominations for their excellent work in season 2 of The White Lotus.
That Achilles cack
They are men after all , in the end
despite of their differences, they're same
Earlier in the season, the tarot reader lady got freaked out and said something like "la pazzia ti porta a suicidio" meaning the madness leads you to suicide!!! she was right lol the ending made me chuckle like why tf didn't she just walk down the steps on the back of the yacht??
Absolutely, the moment I saw this seen I knew it would be Tanya
I was yelling at the TV ‘use the f**king steps!’ But she was so freaked out, she didn’t figure it out. Everyone was dead, no one was chasing her, she freaked & flailed & drowned.
The fact that they showed us the stairs multiple times was the moment I knew she F'ed up
I thought Greg or Quentin would be in the water, based upon the beginning of the episode when the employee said that it was a guest. Tanya had it made but fear took over. The other dude jumped into the water. The only person left was the captain of the boat and he ran. I kept screaming, Tanya, take the stairs! Remember that Quinton mentioned, “Die for Beauty.” And Tanya was put together under the water...her jewelry, her dress, appeared to stay in place. Poor baby.
@@revmd621 ooh I love that. Yes they both said that, beautiful and tragic
I don't know why people are complaining about who died. I thought it was perfect! Tanya shooting em all and then jumping off the boat to her death? That is so her character. Coolidge could submit this episode and win another Emmy.
I'm happy the locals are safe and won in the end. It was the opposite last season so I didn't want it to happen it again. Like last season, all of them could get nominated and I'd be happy. But I really need Fahy and Plaza to be in there.
Her on the phone with Portia was horrible acting. But everything else was great.
Tanya is a fan favorite, you need to realize. There’s no question, Coolidge will get awards nominations for this season.
I think that’s all I need to say. Do you still not understand why people are upset?
@@viewer409 Eh, that's the issue there. People thought she had plot armor. That's what made the ending really great, it was unexpected (coz they thought Coolidge would be back for S3) yet also unsurprising (coz it was so Tanya). The whole thing was so funny.
I could imagine them playing the clip right up to the, "clunk" and then cutting to her face in the crowd.
@@Arieszona48 it wasn’t that bad, it was funny but also interesting to see her realize they’re planning on killing her
It's really sad when you think about where we started last season with Tanya with her being happy with Greg and everything, just for that to end up like this with such a tragic ending. Jennifer did a great job with this performance though.
Definitely one of her stand out roles!
Jennifer's facial expressions made the character. She was wonderful.
The character was such a self absorbed, dependant and infantile mess tho that I found satisfaction in it. The only thing that bothered me was the lack of Greg's comeuppance. Btw, I don't think there is a lawyer in the world that would draw up a prenup like that!
Oh the finale was great. Very Mark White.
When I saw Tanya looking down at the boat, I knew she was going to drop to her death. So poetic. Season 1, Tanya was talking about her crazy mother and throwing her ashes in the ocean. She ended up just like her mother.
If Tanya were to survive, she would not be able to deal with the consequences of her actions.
Ethan and Harper came to Sicily with a lot of tension (see episode 1), and left “happier”.
Portia got what she wanted.
The Di Grasso’s are all the same, just different versions. All of them are liars who are willing to do things for women.
Mia and Lucia got what they wanted.
Very well said simplistic breakdown
almost every character negotiates their place of true but Tania would had to loose her evasion so she scapes
How is Albie a liar though?
@@MrTrinifather for the right price, he was willing to put a good word with his mother about his father. Albie knew that his dad messed up and did not deserve forgiveness. Technically he did lie to his mom just to get the money for Lucia.
It was not out of the goodness of his heart he did it, but rather for his own benefit.
@@MrTrinifather he lied to his mum about his dad being a better man now, potentially causing his mum future pain - but he didn’t care about what that meant for her as long as it got him what he wanted.
Can we talk about the minor character, Matteo, crying as he said goodbye to Tanya? He stayed behind as everyone left and was crying even though he barely just met Tanya.
could it have been because he knew what tanya's fate was and he had grown fond of her? i haven't seen any interpretation of that scene by anyone yet
Tanya's death was very interesting to me because it was so stupid but in character. I was like why didn't she take off her heels? why didn't she go down the stairs like the guy who jumped off and swim to the boat, why didn't she find the required lifejacket on board? But it's like this is TANYA of course she drops her phone of the rail, of course she falls into the water 😂😂😂
Also it was foreshadowed before by that tarot card lady saying some madness is going to happen + she was drunk in a panic state where even the smartest do blunders & fuck up.
You probably cant get in that boat from the water as it is very high.
And we do not even know if she can swim at all.
@@DolphinsAreBetterThanHumans the tarot laide said tanya was going to commit suicide. Guess she was not completely wrong as she 'killed herself'.
@@m0n0deferiathe whole time I was yelling at her to find a life jacket and swim to shore. Boats are legally supposed to carry a certain number of life jackets (at least in the states). The boat was definitely close enough to make getting to shore feasible with the help of a life jacket.
@@CaulkMongler Yep, technically there was no more danger and she could have taken her time to decide her next move.
But that would have been a boring ending. This death is perfect Tanya.
I can’t think of darker, more tragic last words for Tanya than: “You’ve got this…”
No, no you really don’t…
I was terrified of the men who kidnapped Tanya for the trip to Palermo. The story was excellent; the opera, Niccolo's night with Tanya as a method to gain her trust, and Jack's crass personality and eventual deceit. The fact that Tanya figured out the entire plan and still ended up dead was just heartbreaking. She was the most lovable character of the two seasons
I think that Ethan and Harper's ending was more about turning into Cameron and Daphne as a couple. They started out making fun of them and not wanting to be like them and by the they were pretending everything was ok and having dinner with each other.
If you look at it, I think the whole show is about everyone turning into what they resented at the beginning. Albie, without realizing, is turning into the toxic man that he sees his father and grandfather as. Mia, who didn’t seem too fond of Lucia’s lifestyle, ultimately ends up benefitting from the same actions. Portia is just as lost and confused as Tanya was.
The final scene of Ethan and Harper in the airport shows that they have ended up becoming exactly the same kind of couple as Cameron and Daphne, in the scene they mirror Cameron and Daphne as appearing loving and affectionate but like the other couple they are both now keeping secrets from each other. It is their secrets that let them maintain the facade of happiness
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oh wow you’re completely right. I was thinking why the hell they were suddenly happy but this makes total sense
Exactly my thought too. I'm more upset with Ethan, he should have listened to his wife, grabbed her by the hand and said "we're leaving this dumpster fire." It was strange to me why Ethan was friends with Cameron, just like his wife said. Ethan was weak and let a weasel of a man come into his marriage.
Exactly. They do not get a happy ending at all. I kinda like that though bc Harper was being so self-righteous and judgy the whole time and now she's going to end up just like Daphne, but with no skillset to make it work.
It’s open to interpretation, like so much of the show is
Tanya didn't deserve that. Damn I feel so bad for her. She did get them though. I didn't think she had it in her. Man that was a great finale
Who is to say she didn’t deserve that, she was a blundering ‘symphony’ of careless use of humans. She mind f**ked the masseuse last season, constantly insulted Portia & others. Her blundering nature killed her at the end, sadly!
@@ceciliaSF-TX Gladly in my opinion. Such disregard for other human beings always has a price to be paid in the end.The worshippers of wealth could learn something from this episode.
Tanya was an oblivious and self centered woman, so I was not surprised. But I did like her character and was cheering her on when she took those men out.
Karma got her she should have help the black girl in season 1 but Greg was on the boat for sure I’m convinced
@@jlamedia744 Pls tell me, what in the season finale convinces you that Greg was on the boat?
Loved the ending! This season is truly better than the last.
Daphne’s performance was so superb. The scene when Ethan told her about Harper and Cameron was heartbreaking. She showed two deep emotions that in a split second snapped back to survival mode.
Cameron’s expression while he was in the bathroom says a whole lot about him as a person and truly show that he knows that one the two if not both kids are not his. 👏🏼👏🏼
absolutely...great scene for Daphne in that split second
omg, That IS his kid. Some people just didn't get that Daphney was actually talking about being a mom and having a kid to "save" a relationship. She suggested Harper "get a trainor" . . .aka have a kid. That's why Harper thought she was long gone crazy Stepford wife who died inside a long time ago. It just shows him as being the narcissist he is . . .even as a dad. He comes first before anyone in his mind. For Daphney, her kid comes first.
Yes. Remember she was saying that she doesn't have female friends because they always get jealous and try to sleep with her husband. I think she felt sad and betrayed because she thought Harper was a new friend and the same thing happened again after she specifically told Harper about her friends constantly betraying her.
@@JDMimeTHEFIRST Oh, see I thought by "get a trainer," she meant, "Have an affair." Or at least flirt with someone to make her husband jealous. But yeah, I didn't think the kids weren't his. I just thought he's not really into this life as a husband and father, but he pretends he is. My question is why. Like, does he feel he needs to have the wife and kids to maintain his image of having it all?
@@cv8499 i think you hit the nail on the head.
He has a wife like one would have a nice house
I think Jack was supposed to kill Porshe but he lost his nerve. His performance was great - from charming chav to broken rent boy.
5:19 I read the trainer bit as Daphne admitting to Harper that she had an affair with her trainer and their older kid is not Cameron's. She's saying that while Cam sleeps around and gets into trouble with women, she also has her own games she plays. Daphne was telling Harper that she needs to do whatever it takes to make herself happy with Ethan.
Tanya: I'm Monica Vitti
Valentina: Monica Vitti is dead, but yes
Good spot. The ending was spelled out all the way through if you knew to look for it
Fortuneteller: "You would kill yourself".
Tanya: "Geronnnimmmo!!" *splash*
Great catch.
@@HighStrangeDrifter this comment has been commented a million times by other people lol
@@julia-ex7im whats your point? Its a relevant line from the show.
Tanya wasn't exactly the most graceful person - sitting awkwardly on the Vespa, lumbering around the hotel and the beach like a huge zombie, and finally clumsily tumbling off the yacht like a drunk bigfoot on skates seemed appropriate for her character. Unfortunate, but fitting.
totally agree
I can do without all the pejoratives around her "bigness"...🙄
but apparently she has a good aim
So glad someone else called a spade a spade. I feel Jennifer's acting was so terrible and lazy, the same tropes of a wealthy American just shitting on everyone and everything she just never loved herself enough even with millions to be good to herself, but to do that she would of had to work...something she has absolutely no interest in ever doing.
@@Teleflexx I like her but feel like she plays the same person in everything
My opinion on the meaning of Tanya's death: She led a thoughtless, privileged, and selfish life, so her death was ridiculous and pointless.
I thought her character was annoying, though well played. The point of the show is to kill off someone. Everyone seems to want to bring characters back. It's supposed to be a new locale and new people each season. White kept Tania because he liked her character, but as she said at the end of Season 1, "Death is the last immersive experience I didn't have." It was time for her to go.
Tanya was a tragic character. She was abandoned , unloved and her instinct was on point all the way through.
That's why people love her, because she is clearly deeply hurting and her pain and paranoia seem to be actually justified
When I saw Tanya climbing over the railing my first thought was "Take off those heels first".
The complete 180 Valentina does, going from using her position to be in control when dealing with Mia in the beginning of the season to Mia using her position to take control of Valentina by the end of the season.
It's not that. Maybe for the first time in life she's satisfied, she has hope thus she can stop being a control freak and be genereous.
It's more beneficial relationships. They will take her to gay clubs . . .Mia gets to play . . everyone is happy, except that other guy.
I liked the finale although I felt it somehow anti-climatic. It became clear that Tanya was in great danger and that Greg and Quentin were conspiring to take her money. I am not surprised that Quentin was broke because he didn't really work and had a very expensive life style, actually, Daphne and Cameron gave a hint of that early on when they commented on the fact that European aristocrats have gorgeous properties but no cash. I feel a bit sorry for Daphne but I am sure that something definetely happened with Ethan and that she's OK with being married with a douchebag and that the two of them have their sexual affairs, I know couples like that in real life. As for Portia, Jack spared her life because he could have killed her, but the target was not her but Tanya. Finally, I wasn't wrong about Lucia!!! She and her friend Alessio staged everything but fortunately the only thing Albie lost was money.
Definitely feel that Daphne is the mastermind in all this. She married Cameron for the lavish life style and money. Her kids are blonde and blue eyed, just like her trainer. And Cameron seemed annoyed going to talk to his kids in the last episode. Seems he might know they aren’t his. She said she’s not a victim to Harper. Meaning, she’s probably the one in control in their relationship.
@@VioletDrive agreed!
@@VioletDrive oppa very very nice observations dude. Even when she was saying "see this is the picture of the trainer" ...it showed the picture of her kids wow
@@VioletDrive also fitting that Daphne the one who refuses to see anything wrong ever is the one that finds a dead body and finally has to see something wrong and be upset.
I didn't interpret it as Lucia and Alessio working together. I thought he was her boyfriend pissed off that she's sleeping with other people. Of course, Lucia woukdng admit this. At the end, with the help from Albie's money, she gives it up. That's why Alessio and Lucia have a happy moment at the end. So in a way, Albie did help her and free her. Just what I was thinking.
Lol Lucia didn’t look back because she felt good ppl like Albie existed… she looked back because she felt a tinge of guilt… which lasted less then a minute ! I’m sure she met many gullible men
@Akshay Natu yep, she obviously did that fakery w pimp trying to hurt her before … even I believed her! I thought she was the dead body in the beginning ! Killed by her pimp friend !!!
I was the idiot that thought her and Albie will live happily ever after in LA 🙄😭 I feel played too
The point was that Albie isn't good either...he's just like his father and grandfather
I thought the situation was completely a "karmic payment", but not in the way that Albie initially described. Lucia barely got paid by Cameron, which makes me think that wealthy guests in the hotel routinely screw her over with money. In Season One, all of the guests really betrayed all of the Hawaiian locals; I loved that the Sicilian locals flipped the script and had happy endings. Absolutely loved the girls' "Sicilian Victory Lap" at the end. A ride or die friend truly is one of the best free things in life.
@@angelolopiccolo4637 cameron paid her in full though. Gave her the envelope.
Season 2 was such a good ride. Not sure why people are unhappy with it. Hope to get an answer about Greg in season 3, but overall the characters were so well developed & had conclusions that made sense.
I like how the boy got what he thought he wanted and got played and the girl got what she thought she wanted and got played. They both meet again and realize maybe it’s better to chill out lol
It would have been funnier if it was revealed Quentin and the others weren’t actually trying to kill Tanya but just trying to cause infidelity as was speculated, but then she got paranoid and killed them all. Big misunderstanding. There’s definitely still a lot of mystery left in this season and unanswered questions to the point that it feels like cowardly writing. Like what happened with Ethan and Daphne? Who cares, just don’t show it. Whereas the first season was more straightforward.
And maybe the rope and zip ties were for some kinky fun rather than for murdering Tanya?
well he had a gun so I do think he intended to kill her
That’s what I though too. When she went on her killing spree, I was like….What if this is just a big misunderstanding and Greg really just wanted her to cheat on him so he could divorce her? Regardless, it would also be very Tanya.
@@susyycarlyle they had a rope and tape as well
I imagined the same thing and laughed to myself. Just as much fun.
Id love to see Greg return just to suffer for the whole of season 3. He doesn't deserve to have Tanya's millions, I need Justice for Tanya!!! Also I wonder where the next hotel will be?
I’m guessing Maldives from Cameron saying to the couple group they should do the trip again next year there. And Mike White has said S3 will most likely be in Asia.
Agreed! I’m so annoyed there was no closure with Gregg. He just gets her millions and moves on? I’d love to see the next White Lotus in Bali!
@@InSearchofaSunrise Mike White said his story will come into Season 3. Can't wait. And Portia knows so much! This story is not over yet.
@@jem2250 Yess! and Portia was such a great character. Incredible acting! Now to wait for season three >
At the beginning of episode 5, Tanya tells Portia that she talked to 'Billy Offer' about an annulment. I am hoping that Billy is Tanya's lawyer and that Portia knows who he is, and as Tanya's assistant, will work with him to investigate Gregg's role in her death.
I thought Greg had tried to set Tanya up to cheat on him so he'd get her money in the divorce, didn't think he planned to full on take her out!!! That was a twist for me.
Same
Ethan was emasculated by Cameron- When Ethan finally conquers Cameron, financially and more important-physically, it ultimately helped his marriage to Harper
"Emasculated" hahahah
@@aspenwinter6274 I presume you were not an A student
I did not see this! Great point!
That and probably sleeping with Daphne lol
@@kaitlynkeller5000 I did mean to include that but worried about it being not certain. But ABSOLUTELY agree. Male holy trinity accomplished
Ethan DEFINITELY slept with Daphne.
Eyes wide open
@@Rehblick1418 his eyes wide!
This season was, as you said, the best I've seen in a long time, one that I can't stop talking about. Excellent work and very difficult to beat! I hope that the third season doesn't let us down.
I feel it's a show that will only get better and better once they build upon the world that's been created!
White Lotus is such a good series. I hope it goes on and on. The fact that it is on location in fabulous spots, with people on vacation (rich and servant classes) is just so delicious, and then we get all these interesting characters, and a whodunit too!
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Weirdly enough, this season made me interested in Sicilly more because of how beautiful the shots were.
Surprised he didn't touch on Cam's face when Daphne asked him to come an speak with their kids...he seemed annoyed
Yeah Cameron knows those aren’t his biological kids
they're both pale and super blonde, I don't those are his kids either
They’re not his kids. Remember daphne telling Harper about her blonde trainer. And her kids ended up being blonde blue eyes. He knows they ain’t his
@@bryanalstoncoxingAnd now Daphne is probably pregnant with Ethan's kid. Just another way she gets back.
I’m so shocked by all of your comments. Cameron is raising the kids as his own; he’s either in or out. What does it matter the kids don’t share his genes at this point?
Tanya could perfectly be back on season 3 if they do that season a prequel, she has obviously visited other white lotus hotels between Hawaii and Sicily.
That’s just sloppy story-telling though. After only 2 seasons, they go back in prequel? It hasn’t been long enough of a series run. Unfortunately, I think for the character, this is it. Tanya was my favorite.
Bring her back as a zombeh!
@@uri0606 Bring her back as Tanya's twin sister hunting Greg. It sounds terrible but we need Jennifer next season!
@@nagiszor Tanya's twin sister Mania(c).
I think they've done enough with the character. Tanya's done enough damage to the world. lol. Bringing her back would be a retread and gimmick and I think Mike White is more ambitious than that.
For the build up of everything leading to the finale I thought it fell short. Still a good season but finale could've wrapped it up better. It is poetic however how Tanya in the last season of episode 1 talked about how death was the only adventure she had yet to go on.
ugh i agree :/ i was hoping for more in the season finale. i felt unsatisfied with how it ended
Finale was great and not EVERYTHING needs to be explained and wrapped up.
@@SoulStylistJukeBox it's not about EVERYTHING being wrapped up which I thought it was, it's HOW it's wrapped.
I felt like Lucia’s story was rushed
Daphne telling Harper to get herself a trainer wasn’t referring to her having a kid, it was about finding her own way to get even with Ethan to help herself not feel like a victim aka find someone to cheat with. The kid in the picture she showed had the same hair and eye color as the trainer she just described when she was supposed to be showing a pic of the trainer. It’s heavily implied the kid isn’t Cameron’s and is the trainer’s kid. Not sure how you missed this.
Damn i picked up the first but but I didn’t pick up that the kid with blonde hair and blue eyes is the trainer’s kid. Holy fuck that’s a massive way Daphne got back at Cameron.
Yes thats why shes fine with cameron cheating, she did way worse. Then Ethan is fine with harper cheating at the end because he slept with daphne and got even
I was honestly shocked at that final scene of Lucia and Mia. Lucia was scary good at playing the broken girl. Absolutely amazing season.
I was hoping she wouldn’t turn out to be a scammer
Daphne telling Harper to “get a trainer” did NOT mean to have a child. She was telling her to have an affair. Watch that scene again. 5:23
The lesson of the season is- Things are always as they appear. Tanya was the obvious victim storyline, still devastated re Tanya, more than expected. Glad she went down fighting. Lucia was playing Albie. Harper did have something happen with Cameron.
Albie and Portia get married. Albie's family passes away in a freak accident during season 3, leaving a large inheritance all to him. In season 4, Albie dies while on a vacation with Portia. She inherits his fortune. Season 5 set in the future, Jennifer Coolidge returns to The White Lotus as a old version of Portia.
The while lotus’ deaths are not dramatic, they are accidents, like in S1 Armond was stabbed by accident and in this season Tanya’s death was also an accident.
What about the massacre on the boat?
@@MyraMarkshose were also accidents. How can one shoot three people dead without looking? It wouldn’t be accurate
Tanya did not fck around. She sensed danger, took action and did what was necessary to survive. I just wish she would have had more common sense smh! She could have taken one of the guys phones to look up the resort to have them send the police or a boat to come get her. There's no way I would jump off a yacht like that (WITH heels on). Poor thang!!
Now Portia, she had multiple opportunities to escape from Jack and her dumb ass keep going along with him. The morning when she realized she was in danger, she should have stolen his phone...flagged down a guy on a motorbike to ask for a ride to the police station. Or get a taxi back and pay them when she arrived to the resort. As someone who travels often, you just gotta be ready for anything and the locals would have easily helped her to safety.
I was upset with Portia: she kept letting Jack dictate was too much!
*Take me to the party! Later, I am too drunk, taking you somewhere else!
*he takes her phone, is cagey, snaps at her when using his phone, she still stays with him.
Portia may have saved Tanya, maybe not, but she stayed w/Jack way too long. Argh! That was so annoying!
Did anyone else realise that Harper and Daphne are both named after authors? :D Daphne Du Maurier and Harper Lee. Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird is about a trial, and Harper in the White Lotus is a lawyer. Daphne du Maurier wrote Rebecca which is about the mystery surrounding a woman's drowning, and TWL Daphne is the one to discover the body.
excellent observation!
Thank you for these videos, I appreciate your insight and compassion for the characters
Glad you enjoyed watching them!
I still can’t get over Tanya was killed off lol. Even though she died from hitting her head on the boat upon plunging into the sea, I didn’t think she was going to die as a fan favorite! Was super shocked.
I think Jack had been ordered to kill Portia, but a reluctance to have murder on his conscience and a soft spot for her made him let her go at the last minute
I never thought that Jack was doing anything more than keeping Portia away from Tanya. Once she found the photo of Greg and Quintin I knew that she was the focus of a murder plot. No way would there be an adultery clause in the prenup or something like that. Greg wasn’t interested in the expense of a divorce and the risk of not getting what he wanted. He wanted all of Tanya’s money not a portion of it.
The hitch for Greg- Portia knows what happened. She knows everything and was trying to warn Tanya on the phone but it was too late. Tanya told her about the photo of Greg and that if she died he got everything according to the prenup. She’ll be a target of Greg’s until he’s charged and put on trial and he already didn’t like her. Once she knows about Tanya’s death she’ll have to contact the authorities. The story isn’t going to be a happy ending for Greg.
Now I have to watch season 1 to see when Greg and Tanya met.
@@realsuperchanchan I’d like to rewatch that too and see which one of them started talking to the other and who was the pursuer. Plus- Greg is supposedly at the lower end of the working class, so what was he doing at an exclusive resort? He supposedly had cancer but did he? In this season we know that Tanya paid a ton of money for treatment but it’s hard to picture her going with him to a hospital for chemo. He may have made that up too.
Cameron's look, in the end, suggests he dreads going back to children who are not his. Lol.
That's a good point! I never saw it like that!
The ending where Albie and his father and grandfather in the airport looking at that hot girl that walked by is the perfect example of when the grandfather told Albie dad "Like Father Like Father Like Son"
Daphne and Ethan definitely banged. 100%. That’s why he was able to get over Harper’s kiss
I'm cool with the ending, except for Daphne's part. She really showed how strong she was at the end. Really hope after her conversation with Ethan, she would fly home alone leaving Cameron behind instead of finding Tanya's body at the beach. She appeared to be a minor character but her preserverance and strength really stood out at the end.
Strong….no. Daphne is Lucia in married form.
She loves living a lavish life a bit too much for that, raising the kids with her trainer doesn’t seem like a likely possibility.
@@lindajohnsonkaplan647 lmao was thinking the same. she's not strong, she just likes to cheat back as a way of rebelling against her husband who cheats. wouldn't rlly call her strong. having intimacy with ethan wasn't exactly "empowering" lol
@@bd1043 No. It was an ugly move. If she was strong she would be the better person and not lower herself to the level of her bottom feeder husband. Trying to out-wrong each other doesn’t create a win.
Strength? She needs the self esteem and strength to leave her husband. But she wants the luxury life. Shes weak
There were several stars born in this season and several stars who cemented their stardom. Great show, loved it!
Totally agree!
Let’s be honest, Jennifer Coolidge was THE main star. I think she was just such a funny, quirky, lovable character.
The blonde child was implied not to be Cameron's but her trainers in the city, I think you missed that.
Especially that last scene where that video chatted and Cam was almost annoyed when Daphne calls him to say hi, then proceeds to fake it, cause that's the whole game on their marriage.
Blonde kids Also perfectly matched to how Daphne described her gym trainer, a blonde guy.
Damn didn't pick that up at all.
Yeah when Daphne suggested Harper get a trainer, I don’t think Daphne meant have a child. She meant get a side piece so you don’t feel like a victim. And her side piece led to a child that was not Cameron’s.
Nope. Some people REALLY didn't understand that conversation . . That IS his kid. Daphney was actually talking about being a mom and having a kid to "save" a relationship. She suggested Harper "get a trainor" . . .aka have a kid. That's why Harper thought she was long gone crazy Stepford wife who dies inside a long time ago. It just shows him as being the narcissist he is . . .even as a dad. He comes first before anyone in his mind. For Daphney, her kid comes first.
The ending of the Ethan/ Harper storyline was stupid, IMO. Spouse swapping in Sicily was all they needed to fix their marriage. 🤦
Looks like the mirror provided by the other couple impacted them (+ prolly vice versa )
it wasn't stupid. This is how some people's lifes look like. Toxic, wrong and bad.
@@FireJach I believe that is true. It just seems dumb to me and unrealistic. IRL they would likely soon revert back to "dead bed" syndrome. There's a reason Ethan lost interest in being intimate with Harper. Spouse swapping on vacation seems like a short term, silly fix and anti-climatic.
I love Tanya's character so much. But sometimes I wanted to smack her. Like you just met this man and his friends and you are going to go with your assistant on a yacht to another town with someone you only met a few days ago? Seriously? She just has such a trusting nature and Greg completely took advantage of her being blind by attention and affection. Also she doesn't seem to understand "old money" because in her mind Quinten has all of these things yacht, palazzo, extravagant parties... but 0 funds according to Jack. But he is going to help alllll his buddies when he gets paid by Greg to wine and dine Tanya and kill her. It made me sick because she just wanted to be loved and fit in somewhere. At least her character didn't die in vain. She took out a majority of the guys plotting her death. May her poor character rest in peace.
She’s a lonely old woman. Imagine being so lonely and unattractive then invited by bunch of (seems to looks) like nicest person on Sicily.
She trusted the Gays! Tanya basically said, its hard to find nice people, and people who didn’t just be nice because of her money.
I mean most people would go on a yacht with some rich people if the opportunity came. Easy to say in hindsight as an observer "oh I would never do that".
Not even one word on how s***** of an assistant and of a human being Porcia was by not calling help when she knew Tanya was in trouble on the yacht and just walking away?!
Cameron def knows that his kid is not his, and Daphane cheated with trainer. She shows photo of her kid to Harper by accident and image of kid matches the description of the trainer - also you can tell when he is flossing his teeth..
Whoa I didn’t even think of that!
Good call.
Oh yes definitely! He was super-annoyed when Daphne kept calling him and said their son wanted to talk to Daddy. He knows that little boy is not his.
She didn't show that photo by accident at all....... she did it on purpose
Great breakdown! Thanks for actually getting into the subtext and symbolism and not just merely summarizing the plot. Well done, my man 👍
Thanks a lot! Glad you enjoyed the video!
I was waiting for this video all morning :D loved the show, the ending was so tense but then anti climactic, which was also perfect as that is how life works. Best show, on par with Succession
Daphne actually had a trainer that she sleeps with to make her not the victim of Cameron’s cheating, she took it so far that she actually had a child with the trainer (blonde hair and blue eyes) that Cameron believes is his own.. but Daphne knows the truth about her child’s father
I don't think cam doesn't know about the kids, you can see it on his annoyed face when they were making video call, when Daphne keeps calling him, he looks uninterested to see them kids, then proceeds to fake it, cause that's just how their marriage vibe.
I didn't see that but your so correct. Cam is as dark complected as the little boy was blonde. It's possible Cam knows and his being the way he is comes from bitterness. You could really run with the Cam and Daphne characters.
Cameron needs Daphne, it’s part of their dysfunction. Cameron knows those kids are not his, but if Daphne tolerates his shit, he tolerates those kids.
Yep. I think people do Daphne a disservice by assuming her showing Harper the pic of her kids is just saying she only stays and does stuff for her kiddos. She's pretty clearly saying at least one of their kid's isn't Cam, and this is how she keeps score. If Cam fucks up, she can take revenge. If they got divorced, she'd be totally fine, it'd be Cameron who'd be in trouble without her. I personally think she's the most Machiavellian and intelligent character on the show, she knows how to make things work for her.
Nope. Some people REALLY didn't understand that conversation . . That IS his kid. Daphney was actually talking about being a mom and having a kid to "save" a relationship. She suggested Harper "get a trainor" . . .aka have a kid. That's why Harper thought she was long gone crazy Stepford wife who dies inside a long time ago. It just shows him as being the narcissist he is . . .even as a dad. He comes first before anyone in his mind. For Daphney, her kid comes first.
this season was about sex and how sex and lust can mess up people’s lives.
Lucia and Portia are the personification of this. The last scene of them walking off together happy was perfect
exactly. They use people's lust to get what they want.
I noted such interesting contrasts to "sex". The Italian girls know that window of a size 2 body and flawless skin has a sale by date. Ain't gonna last forever. They have no problem using men's desire for that same tight body to benefit long-term goals with the batting of nut-brown eyes and fluttering eyelashes, the shoulder-bend inwards in delight as Lucia wins her coveted piano gig.. (NOTE: Always get the money up fron, girls. Always.). Then, purchase that trendy, well-placed dress shop, selliing cute little dresses to other size 2 girls to aid their dreams to come true. Assuming Greg is bi-sexual (Season 1 intimacies with Tayna seemed at that time not to difficult to accomplish but apparently he, too, has long-range goals) and age is catching up up to him; perhaps time to cash in on his sicilian connection?. The Bert and Michael / father and son duo are expert at the thrill, however temporary, of disposable sex, as meaningful emotional commitment is beyond their reach. Though Michael catches a glimpse of the gift he has been avoiding all these years and it may, just may, last until he reaches home. Quentin & Company are expert at denying the body at their feet with the gun smoking in their hands -- until Tanya, eyes impossibly even narrower, gets to it before they do. The half-billionaire's dilemna: "Is my husband cheating on me?" because heaven forfend Greg is getting something that she, his wife, is not. (The equivalent of the half-billinaire worryingly counting his change as he leaves McDonald's.) And the couples dance their couples dance, the desire of another for his wife igniting a forgoten desire in her husband; looking the other way when your wife presents an impossibly blond, blue-eyed baby because you, handsome lad, are unlikely to find another cool, calm and collected Daphne anywhere else. We do, in our heart of our viewer hearts, hope Valetina will find a lovely gal dancing the night away at a local lesbian bar to take home with her -- on the way, picking up that stray cat. Jack, hollow-eyed with fear that no amount of booze will ultimately lay to rest and blackmailed by Quentin into Portia-watching duty, is forever lost, he seems doomed to speed off a narrow Sicilian road and expire in flames. Sex is, literally, just a job to Jack; the girls still think it is fun. They better get that dress stop because one day, it shall no longer be fun. And I think Portia will return; pity she had to leave her laptop at the hotel . . . Missing: What is the financial opportunity hinted at by Cameron to suddenly wealthy Greg and gently nudged by Daphne to Harper?
that was Lucia and Mia
I was really disappointed that Portia did not even seem to care about what happened to Tanya. Zero morals- truly chilling
Yeah I got that - I thought there would be some sense of care there. But it just didn't seem to be the case!
that was fucked. maybe she was hoping it wasn't tanya
Tanya said she has bad assistants😢
Portia was despicable
Her entire focus was to get back to Tanya that episode & once they talked & figured out what was going on, her focus shifted to saving her own life. Portia hears the news that “a tourist” drowned, so she highly suspects it’s Tanya, but that’s not a confirmation. Also, Portia is still heeding Jack’s warning to get on the plane and get out of the country because she is also told of all the bodies on the boat. She’s looking to hang out with Albie & his family for some safety. No time to mourn when you’re laying low. Both she AND Tanya aren’t very good at seeing upcoming problems and they both are good at deluding themselves in the moment.
The finale was amazing! I gay gasped when Tanya fell off the boat and I could not believe it. She assassinated those men with her eyes shut only to then die a clumsy death. RIP Tanya, you'll be missed in season 3 ❤
All through the series I was wishing for Cameron's body to be washing up on the shores. That right hook from Ethan was was some poetic justice though.
He put meaning behind that one
I agree, Cameron was such a jerk and tool.
What was Tanya's hurry to get off the boat? Surely she could have just stayed on and used someone's cell phone. The driver of the boat must have called someone. If that was her husband's picture why was it not hidden by the host? Also her cell phone falling overboard was a push. These are some problems I had with the plot. Her trying to jump off the boat was unbelievable. Also why didn't the guy just leave the bag on the small boat?
I was the the same thing about Tonya. Probably adrenaline and she could have been concerned about Portia being with Jack too
1) Tanya's was hurrying to get off the boat because she was in a state of panic, you don't think clearly in a mindset like that, Tanya also isn't very smart so this is quite keeping with her character to just want to run away as quickly as possible
2) They stated earlier on you don't get reception out there.
3)Tanya was never suppose to be in the host's bedroom that's why she snuck in afterwards.
4)The bag also has the videography of her cheating on Greg which i'm sure makes the prenup null and avoid.
tanya killed like 4 people. plus one of them got away and could be calling others to finish the job. the driver would probably call the police. now imagine how that would play out? an American woman found with 4 dead bodies and a captain (who doesn’t speak english) hiding on the upper deck? she would certainly go to jail because how can she prove anything? fleeing the scene was her best bet.
the bag contained rope so i’m assuming they wanted to drug her and tie her up then toss her into the boat (in case she was reluctant maybe?) i’m guessing drug her by the way one of them pushed 2 glasses of wine towards her after the mafia guy went to check his bag.
as for the picture, it could’ve just been a careless mistake. i think of it as a mistress having her married lover as her phone wallpaper. and the wife sees it by accident because she asks to borrow her phone?
yes i have way too much time on my hands 🤣🤣
anxiety and panic attacks are scary , just saying , things like this happen
did u expect tanya to have common sense + in a situation like that? i don't think we watch the same show
I think Ethan and Daphne hooked up at the beach during their “walk”, and that reignited his spark with Harper🤔. I could be over analyzing though lol
Me too
Makes sense to me
I’ve never been so devastated by a finale.
I felt like the couples story had a really big buildup but no resolution , like nothing surprinsing/shocking happened and it didnt tie up the stories like the other season did . Like daphne who found the body had nothing to do with Tanya.
I thought for sure that jellyfish got a hold of Cameron so I was surprised to see him in the next scene at dinner! 🐙🦑🐙
I thought the same
I thought the whole thing about Daphne telling harper to get a trainer and showed a pictured of her kids meant that she ended up getting pregnant and having the trainers baby since she described her trainer to be blonde haired and blue eyes. The boy in the picture had blonde hair and blue eyes as well 🤷♀️
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The kid is definitely the trainers and not Cameron’s
I’ll miss Tanya but at least she went out like a boss & took most of them with her. Her death was tragic but people do really stupid things when they panic so it’s not unbelievable something like that could happen.
When Daphne said get a trainer she meant an affair not a child lmao
it means that but she has a kid through it as well, so both potentially
she has a trainer that she sleeps with and probably fathered one of her kids
Excellent writing on both White Lotus seasons. I like that both end with some happy endings and some not-so-happy. Tania mentioned that she didn't have a purpose which put her in a crazy place. Daphane basically calmed Ethan down to stop thinking so much. Do you want to be a victim or enjoy what's in front of you? Even if a kiss or something happened on the walk, it made him realize he loved Haper. I loved the long pause and look she gave after Ethan told her he thought something was happening with Cameron and Harper.
yes!! gr8 comment ;)))
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Finally an analysis instead of a brain dead explain action and recap!!
Love your insights here
Finale was amazing. The moment Tanya jumped from that boat, it was so real. Not all people react to trauma like Hollywood shows us. Another brilliant season! And I see it has been renewed for season 3! Can not wait!
I will miss Tanya. That death was so sad and yet so brilliant! ♥
What happened to one of the men who stayed back at that house or hotel with the curly black hair? He was not on the boat, so he survived. I think he will be on Season 3 in connection with Greg.
Pelo que entendi ele não concordou em matar a Tanya por isso ficou na casa. Ele estava chorando quando ela foi embora. ( aperte em traduzir)
Incredible season! Thanks for the great recap!
Very bummed about Tanya; such a colorful character who will be missed! I do think that something happened between Ethan and Daphne on the island & that it was the catalyst for renewing his passion with Harper. Hope it works out for them 🤞(I know it’s just a show, but it’s a testament to Mike White’s brilliance that we become soooo invested in all these characters.)👏 🌟
I seriously want to know which billionaire would have a clause in the prenup like that? You're basically just asking to be killed no?
😂yes! That was i’m thinking about 😅🤣🤣
I don’t think that’s a pre-nup clause, that’s just the normal step. If your spouse dies, you inherit the properties and money. That’s fairly normal. Tanya has no other family, so her fortune would reasonably go to surviving spouse.
She had no kids or family tho. So who else would inherit her wealth?
I don’t think the comment when Daphne said “get yourself a trainer” she meant have a child, it meant get yourself a sexy side piece and enjoy what freedoms you have
I hope that we see one of the characters in the next season. I loved Tanya’s comedic end. Classic Tanya!
Same here! I'd quite like to see Harper, Ethan, Cameron & Daphne again!
@@BrainPilot we need a White Lotus Puerto Rico!!!!
One of the best shows I have ever seen. Bravissimo!!!!
I don't know if you talked about this in previous episodes, but I think Daphne showing Harper the photo of her kid while talking about the trainer means, that the trainer is the father of that baby. In this episode, when Daphne asked Cameron to come to the phone to talk to their son, the hesitation and unwillingness he had, hints that he knows. So perhaps the last shot of them @10:58 is hinting that their relationship is always like a volcano, waiting to erupt.
Great summary - thanks!
I'm puzzled as to why Quentin would drop hints regarding Tanya's intended fate. The "live for beauty" conversation includes his line "would you be willing to DIE for beauty?" He also makes it clear to Tanya that her designated "arm candy" Nicolo is connected to the Mafia. And of course the framed photo of a young Quentin with a young Greg. (And, one could argue, suggesting she's a Puccini heroine who dies at the end.)
Yess!!! Thank you, I really didn’t get all that either
I really felt like Tom Hollander was the MVP of the season, I know he's an incredible actor already but damn, the subtlety of going from this charming man to an accomplice in a murder scheme was just unnerving. So, so good
They were giving Tanya the best 'going away party' of her life. Remember she kept saying how beautiful the house was and he did ask her 'would you die for beauty? and gave her a look that she didn't see. She didn't answer the question then but she did on the boat. She fought for her life when she just could have accepted her fate.
I think you're wrong about Portia and Jack. I believe Jack was supposed to kill Portia but ultimately had a change of heart. Just my opinion
Agreed!
As soon as she mentioned she knew he F’D his “uncle,” that changed the game! His humility came at him hard.
@@viewer409 Tbh I actually thought the complete opposite lol. I fr thought that was just gonna provoke him even more to really kill her as soon as Portia dropped the bomb on him, now that she knows the entire truth💀
If both a millionaire and their assistant end up dead on vacation, don’t you think that’d lead to more suspicion? Jacks job was just to keep her away hence why he took her phone
@@VisceralCarbon she's a witness, hence she was supposed to die
So SEASON THREE - WHITE LOTUS MALDIVES?!?!? 🇲🇻
Will Greg now get Tanya's money? If so, it would be really bad.
Plus, with everything that was served to us this season, I strongly believe that Ethan and Daphne had something more on the island.
i was wondering that too
There’s no way Greg is getting Tanya‘s money. They found her dead body floating in the water with three other gunshot victims on the yacht. Portia is still alive and knows all the details so the second she has a confirmation that it’s Tanya who is dead and speaks to the police they’re going to piece it together. Especially if they go back to Quinton‘s house and find a picture of him with Greg
Yes. Upon her death he gets the money. Just not in a divorce.
@@souleater0815 he’s not going to get anything once it’s revealed that he put a hit on her… All Portia has to do is speak to the police and it’s all over for him
@@Anjays Agree! She also knows whole story. I hope she will do that and we can see that in third season in some way
Im heartbroken I don’t think i will get over it anytime soon tanya 🥺🥺🥺
Falling off the yacht while she could have simply taken the stairs down to the launch made no sense to me.
We were screaming at the screen for her to use the steps that were just a few feet away 😂 So Tragic and Very Tanya!
@@CC-3888 you must have heard me screaming also, LOL
@@riac5388 🤣🤣
I knew that it was Tanya when, right after the Peppa Pig line, she says "I am Monica Vitti" (famous Italian actress from the past) to which Valentina replies "Monica Vitti is dead".
Since Portia became aware of the plan, will she expose that Greg contracted Tanyas demise? Maybe he will be left with nothing after all
I hope so!!