THE WHITE LOTUS Season 2 Episode 6 Ending Explained
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- I review, breakdown and explain The White Lotus Season 2 Episode 6 'Abductions'. I discuss the story of Ethan getting paranoid about Harper and Cameron, Albie wanting to be with Lucia but Alessio being present, Tanya spending time with Quentin and finding out that Greg was the cowboy in the photo, and Jack keeping Portia away. I also give my theories and predictions for episode 7, the season finale.
00:00 Intro
01:08 Ethan And Harper
03:41 Cameron And Daphne
05:05 Tanya And Quentin
06:25 Portia And Jack
07:28 Albie, Lucia, Dominic And Bert
08:49 Valentina And Mia
09:28 Overall Review
09:58 Outro
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Has there been anything that you've noticed in the opening title sequence that has been resembled in the show? Comment your thoughts below!
I haven’t noticed anything in particular, but I definitely always notice the ominous heads and zoom ins of paintings when someone’s either spiraling or doing something mischievous
Nevermind, just watched your video on the opening title sequence. Dang, you analyzed the crap out of it! I need to pay better attention 😂
Haha - glad you enjoyed!
It’s true your right each painting had a meaning I think the cat or jaguar is Tanya she wears the dress like it and the little bird is her assistant
@@BrainPilot well thanks for the great content :)
Has anyone else thought that Cameron is broke? He's one of those shady investors who's lost all his clients money and that's why he's so intent on getting Ethan to invest and why he doesn't have money to pay Lucia?
Yes from the beginning
Yes indeed
He paid her
Usually the first seasons are better than the following seasons in a show, but in this case the second season of White Lotus was much better than the first season. The characters are more interesting and complex, the cinematography is spectacular, the soundtrack, the suspense and the plot twists are much better than the first season. I want a third season.
To be fair, I don't think anyone predicted the ending from the first episode the way we did with Season 2.
Agree. Season 2 is just a step up in terms of sophistication, symbolism, and keep-you-guessing storytelling. Mike White has already announced there will be a Season 3, likely set in Asia - possibly Japan.
@@ryanpatrickpreston - I’m hoping India. They could do SO much there creatively. And I’d LOVE to see some Bollywood icons like Amitabh Bacchan or Shah Rukh Khan in it. Maybe throw in Aishwarya Rai-Bacchan or Deepika Padukone, too.
@@toritori5835 India would be great. Plus, more plausible in terms of English speakers although any high-end resort would naturally have its fair share of good English speakers, witness the Sicilian location. I hope it comes down to India or Japan. I feel Indian location and Indian actors could providw more opportunities for humor. Re-watching the first season now. Love the intensity of the 2nd season but the 1st season is much more playful.
@@ryanpatrickpreston - Agreed. ☺️
Pretty sure Lucia is paying Alessio to look like he's harassing her, in order to trigger Albie to rescue and protect her. She's still working him, she just discovered she can work a guy that's not as objectionable as her other clients, is young, handsome, dependable, and who can help her in life beyond the nightly fee.
I hope that's not the case! But very clever if that is true!
Agree, Alessio would be much more threatening if he was really who Lucia says he is, and happens to show up only when the 3 men are there to witness how 'harassing' he is.
Yes , shes definitely playing him , the "pretty woman" trope has been used and re-used these writers are clearly better than than and I don't see it going any other way.
@@BrainPilot
Her insincere reaction ‘no no police’ gave it away (even more imo).
She’s working him ánd likes him.
@@BrainPilot I think it is fairly obvious.
I’m not sure Lucia actually owes Alessio any money. I feel like she made it all up just to get Albie to wanna help a “pretty wounded bird”. We didn’t know about any of this before she started talking to Albie. I personally think Alessio is just a man who is obsessed with Lucia and is possessive of her. There was a reference to The Godfather talking about how Sicilian women are like shotguns. I feel that Lucia knows what she’s doing and she’s knows how to work men. She’s going to get the money one way or another.
Alessio is her boyfriend/pimp and that’s a set up.
I was thinking the same! When Lucia realizes how innocent Albi is I think she hatched a plan to manipulate him into rescuing her and taking her to LA which is her dream.
Exactly. The only weakness, in this otherwise brilliant show, is people acting illogically by not clearing up obvious misunderstandings immediately, and have them linger to prop up needless suspicion.
Agree. And she knows that Albie's father is rich so she wouldn't be taking the money from Albie directly.
Agreed I think she is totally playing Albie...I think she likes him and is fond of his innocence and kindness but she can read ppl and she's playing him
This season has been amazing. I loved S1 but S2 has somehow topped it.
Totally agree - this season is something special!
Mike White is a true talent.
I love both seasons, season 1 when the hotel main concierge starts losing it due to stress and drug fueled anger towards the privileged young guest was great and believable story line! Now season 2 the folklore .. is it the curse of the island for some or ppl themselves going crazy or being conned .. we shall see!
I agree. I think the characters in S1 are more characatures and hyperbolic in nature- especially the children, representing Gen Z- it wasnt as natural as the characters in s2. Portia definitely can be seen as a characture but even then, it’s not as exaggerated.
And also I think there was a lot more political commentary and implementing “woke” mindsets into the plot and dialogues. But maybe it is American centered politics since Hawaii is in the U.S. I just wanna escape and not focus on that BS, which is why I liked this season Lol.
Harper sets the stage for Ethan. The way Ethan is keeping an eye on Harper with Cameron … I think the reverse is true. Harper sees him go swimming, then purposely went back to the room after he was out of sight, texted him, Unlocked the connecting door and latched the other.
I agree
She's trying to make him jealous and crazy, take make him see how she's been feeling, a classic way of getting revenge.
@@ryanpatrickpreston It’s not revenge since he never cheated on her. But given the dynamic between Harper and Cameron (him feeling her legs under the table, and her not stopping him), I think some sex definitely happened between those two.
And their bodies may be the ones we saw in the first episode’s opening scene.
Harper is no fool. And I think pretty much everything about Cameron repulses her. I don’t think she would hook up with him.
@@Shack83 Revenge need not be limited to sexual infidelity. She blames him for making her feel terrible.
I don't think we're seeing a new side of Lucia, I think she's playing damsel in distress in order to manipulate Albie. She has said several times her dream was to go to LA, I think she's using Albie to get it. I think the whole "Allessio" thing is all a set up!
I agree, especially in the beginning of the show she makes negative remarks about men as if she really hates all of them. It'll be stupid if Albie somehow changes that because guys like him aren't rare either.
I hope that it turns out Tanya knew about her husband and what he had brewing up the whole time and turns the tables on him and she comes out on top showing that her “dumb blonde” persona has been just that the entire time, a Persona.
That would be a phenomenal twist!
That would be great, but I was really hoping she didnt sleep with that guy in the end of the episode. I feel like that is the trap. Maybe her husband will claim she is cheating and ask for a ton of money in the divorce because of it. I dont remember if they had a pre nup or not, but maybe the pre nup goes away if there is cheating. I really hope that not the case.
When Tanya sat down for breakfast with Porita in the hotel she said she talked to Bill Offer last night about annulling the marriage.
@@hellodarkness5824 they do have a pre nup. They discussed it at the table before he left. Her husband has been trying to manipulate her into doing away with the pre nup. He is just a con artist as far as I can tell.
@@hellodarkness5824 I agree. Someone pointed out in episode 5 around the 58:11 mark there is a statue thing on the wall, and you can see a round dot above its head, so probably a camera. They could be recording her having an affair, and use it against her so Greg gets a bunch of her money because of a cheating clause in the pre nup. I'm curious to see what happens!
Greg getting so upset with Tanya for bringing her assistant on vacation makes so much sense now. He and Quentin didn’t take Portia being there into account and so Jack, a gigolo, has been tasked with keeping Portia busy.
I think Portia is potentially at risk. I think Jack jumping out and scaring her was a nod to him being a nefarious character and Portia, feeling uneasy about the situation, tries to figure out how she can get back to Tanya. Jack, desperate not to mess up the plan because he’ll end up back in that ‘hole’ without Quentin’s support, does whatever he can to stop her…maybe attempts to kill her? I don’t think she will die though.
Also very interesting that Tanya warns Portia of Jack but she still seems to trust Quentin. Why the red flag for Jack but not Quentin?
When Tanya saw the photo of Quentin and the cowboy, aka Greg, and then stared at him from the bedroom, I think the lightbulb went off that he was up to something. It'll be really interesting to see what happens. They can't kill off Tanya, she's the show's throughput character! What a season.
I was co confused as to why she would still trust Quentin.
Because Tanya is prejudiced, she warned Portia about the low-class escort but she still thinks that Quentin is rich so he's OK, remember what she said about the Villa in Ep5? "no no you don't want the public in here" and to Portia when they entered "don't steal anything", yeah she's a snob
I was also confused as to why she'd go ahead and sleep with the man after realizing Quentin and Greg know each other. Was she scared for her life knowing that rejecting him would get her in trouble? She could have easily pretended to pass out...
@@sharersale6480No, she was coked out of her mind, that's why. 😅
This season feels too short. But darn, it is great! Every person has changed and not all for the best.
It did occur to me that the prenup may include a ‘cheating’ clause as just cheating isn’t a big deal these days in regards to divorces. The gun may just be an item to ramp up the drama as there is no way Tanya dies (she is the constant in this series & there is a season 3!). But, maybe Game/Thrones has taught us a lesson: anyone can die!
Great episode. 💖
The pre-nup theory is brilliant.
Tanya waving goodbye at someone in the preview for the final episode's gotta mean she was able to fend herself off from whatever they're planning. She's the show's muse; she's gotta make it to another White Lotus property to have another memorable experience, lol.
@@hummersd I was just wondering to myself if I would enjoy the series as much without her in it, I love me some Jennifer Coolidge!
Why wouldn't Ethan have simply told Harper that Cameron didn't pay the hookers and they asked him about it. Instead he told her they'd talk about it later?? SMH. He stoked her distrust of him by not quickly explaining.
True, ever since ep 2 it has just been him making a series of avoidable mistakes that made Harper trust him less. He lied MULTIPLE times and once he found the condom wrapper he started downplaying it.
Absolutely! Bingo! 👏👏👏👏 Just answer a question esp if you keep claiming you never lie to each other. At this point, there’s no reason to keep withholding info.
Exactly, he’s such an annoying coward. He never speaks up (unless it’s to protect/defend Cameron, WEIRD) and it has caused majority of the issues between him and Harper.
Yep he deserved it. I hate it when people just don’t answer the question. Deflect it, become evasive or delaying it to torment the one asking the question. It would take literally half a second to say “Cameron owes the escort her fee”. GRRRR Just answer the fkg question!!!
I was thinking the same! He def made it worse
I felt like the lighting on Harper and Ethan in the scene where Harper says they aren’t telling the truth to each other anymore was interesting. She was in full sunlight saying “we need to tell the truth to each other”, and Ethan is in the dark clearly not telling her everything.
Great observation
@@JC-tz8td Plus, he wasn't initially forthcoming about Cameron's indiscretion. So, lies by omission.
I agree re Portia as disposable. Greg yells at Tanya that she throws people away. She certainly betrayed her Spa confidante and supporter in season 1.
I dont think she betrayed her at all, she needed something real because she was broken and needed a person who would not do it for money- for once!
@@lollirace Tanya definitely betrayed Belinda last season. Yes Tanya was broken but she knew that her promise of a business partnership was taken seriously by Belinda. Tanya uses her money ie power like a weapon. She blames others for her lack of trust.
The offer was real at first but she started ducking up to her so she wasn't interested anymore and rightfully so in my opinion, the betrayal came from the masseuse
@@lollirace I disagree. What if you applied for a job, interviewed and told you got the job. When you showed up for your first day you got a vague I don't know what you're talking about. How would you feel? Betrayed? Gaslit? Tanya played with Belinda's life. Her hopes and beliefs. Tanya was wrong.
@@lunacascade1125 she wasn't real with her and she wasn't up for building a business otherwise she wouldn't have made her dream dependent on another person.
The Tonya, Quentin and Greg story line mirrors the story of Madam Butterfly.
In Madam Butterfly, an American naval office marries a young Japanese wife then abandons her and then eventually returns with a new American wife to discover that the young Japanese wife was pregnant and has a young son. The Japanese wife and American wife meet and agree to give the son to the Americans to have him be raised in the US. The Japanese wife then commits suicide.
Quentin is madam butterfly, Tonya is the new American wife and Greg, the American cowboy is the naval officer who left. Quentin wants to rebuild a life with Greg in Sicily but will ultimately be betrayed by Greg or back out of killing Tonya and kill himself. This is foreshadowed when Greg has that morbid talk with Tonya about Death and Beauty.
Quentin, the Sicilian drug dealer packing a gun and Tonya are on an island near water. They have been partying with drugs so they are not in the right state of mind which will set the stage for something tragic to happen (like the finale of last season). The writers have been great and leaving bread crumbs throughout the series.
Last thought: Ethan with his red tropic shirt looked like Quagmire from Family Guy. Gigigity
Wait Madam Butterfly and Miss Saigon have the same plot?
HE DID LOOK LIKE QUAGMIRE
also excellent theory i agree
Greg exposed as the Cowboy is at the point of no return. I can’t see him return in Season 3 after Tonya has learned the truth. So the “shark with the dark eyes” could be killed off. There will be drama on the yacht and multiple people could be killed and fall into the ocean
The story of the statue head in the room is also about a murdered adulterer, which implies the person killed by a jealous lover will be someone in a love triangle. But I think the couples are a red herring. Daphne discovered the body and would have recognized Cameron, Ethan or Harper. Seems like the body was someone she has not seen before. Season 2 completely blows Season 1 out of the water.
Interesting theory on most points. Only, I think the "mafia guy" is a gigolo and they just fed Tanya that story because she's gullible and they want her to think she's having an exciting adventure with a hot local hunk, so she would compromise herself. Remember how Quentin lied to her about the "Queen of Sicily" at the opera? Like that.
In the 1st episode Lucia waves goodbye to Alessio like a friend. I think it's a scam. She's just doing what she needs to do.
Such a shame if that is the case! I BELIEVED!
@@BrainPilot She also told Mia that she got into being an escort because a man messaged her on Instagram for feet pics, and she realised she could make a lot of money. So Allessio probably isn't making her do it.
Yet another reason to rewatch the first episode. So many details there!
I agree - I think she’s playing the men
Lucia is a professional. The "girlfriend experience " is the plan to escape Italy and get that shop she's been dreaming of. Using relationships, not unlike Cameron, to get ahead.
The white lotus keeps topping itself with each season and episode
There aren't many shows that are unpredictable. What a rare treat! I felt a bit deflated by episode 6. But the final will certainly be a time to exhale. I hope more white lotus series will happen.
There is a season 3 confirmed so there will be more to come!
I definitely noticed the zoom-ins of the head and the paintings, and how they might be foreshadowing what might take place during the last episode. I also remember first seeing the opening scene of the show with the credits, and noticed that it might show the endings for certain characters.
It’s all a grift! Season 1 was the rich exploring the poor, season 2 is the poor grifting the rich (whether they succeed we will see). Lucia is gritting Albie, Cameron is grifting Ethan, Quentin is grifting Tanya!
Nice catch!
Great observation!!! Spot on 👏🏼
Wow if you are right thats a great catch
🤭👏👏
Mia is grifting the hotel manager... And everybody's closeted on their true feelings and sexual attractions. Cameron and Ethan are a thing... Twist!
Remember when Tanya told Portia to slow down with Jack? And that she, Tanya, reminded her, Portia, of herself? Well at the party, Tanya hit the gas at 100 mh! So fast without thought!!! Portia a& Tanya mirror each other.
Lucia is setting Albie up to give her loads of money. She's not in any danger.
My favorite character is Harper, she is so honest and she breaks many clichés, like I remember thinking that, she was going to keep the condom a secret and do something to punish Ethan without confronting him first, because that's what I am used to see. But no, she just talks about it and it's still very interesting to see her go on with that in mind. Also what she did in this episode with Cameron was just to see if Ethan cared and after awhile she started to worry about him, you see that if you pay attention to how she looks at Ethan when he is down. Both Mike White and Aubrey Plaza did a really good job with this character.
When are men down women just use that against them because women are evil
Not sure she is so honest. She never told Ethan about Cameron’s hands being all over her or her feelings for him. After that incident, to still interact with Cameron, spells trouble. That is unless she is looking out for Ethan and trying to find out what exactly Cameron is up to. Either way, Harper is not forthcoming, bordering on deceitful.
I think ppl like Harper because it's Aubrey Plaza playing her. And obviously everyone loves Aubrey. She's super judgemental, not fun, can't go with the flow, and basically gaslighted Ethan in this last episode, by basically fucking with his head and giving him all these reasons to think something happened with Cam, then making him feel weird for thinking that. Great writing from Mike White.
I think it's totally normal she took a day to process the shock of the condom find and think it through. She was also giving her husband a chance to do the right thing. I don't think it's deceitful of her not to mention the leg touch. She told him Cam got naked in their room the first day and he just minimized it and that's way worse than touching someone's leg.
Alessio was also in episode one when Lucia and Mia were heading to the dock to see the guests arrive
This show stands out amongst many others. Beautifully directed and written!
Totally agree with you!
It’s delusional to think you can show up at a stranger’s doorstep and expect to be embraced as family.
Exactly. In that one scene, we see how utterly clueless and self-centered the men in that family are. Also love the fact that the three women say 'what use do we have for men?' thus implying they've been abused in some way by men.
Not to mention speaking a strange language.
I'm going to be honest, I feel like thats a nudge to the difference in culture between the states and Europe xD Being a European who's lived in the states I can say people in the US are a lot more open and hospitable to strangers than Europeans.
I want to know what the old woman meant about "you want the sweet money" or whatever it was she said.
@@paulclement4222 Right. It made me wonder if the Di Grasso relative who left for America was not remembered too fondly back home.
This season is the best thing I've seen all year ! truly !!
Man was waiting for you to upload a video! Also I did rewatch the first episode and noticed it was mentioned that GREG arrived first and hadn’t been picking up Tanya calls makes you wonder especially since cell service isn’t an issue. Was he with his gay lover planning how to set up Tanya to get $$$ out of her?
As far as Harper & Cameron idk I feel like Harper might be fucking with Ethan mind but she pushes it too hard which is why she ask if they are ok in the Ep. 7 trailer
Portia prolly get rekt (killed by Jack on accident)
Albie & Co nothing happens other than maybe Bert passing and we’ll dad and son rekindling their relationship)
Greg wasn't picking up Tanya's calls or texting her bc he was probably at Quentin's palazzo and didn't want his phone to ping off a local cell tower. If he is working with Quentin to kill or set Tanya up that cell tower evidence would be used against him.
I've been wondering, could Daphne finally have had enough and secretly planned for Cameron's death? Throughout the show she has been talking about murdering husbands on TV shows she's watching. And in the first episode scene when she's talking to the women on the beach, it felt like she was setting a scene with those women about how she had an amazing time with her husband. Like she wanted them to give statements about how she was happy and didn't know her husband was dead. Could she have planned it all with Lucia and decided to be away to see if her husband would cheat so she'd know if she'd go ahead with the plan?
Great theory I think so too
I’m not sure she planned it with Lucia as it seemed the girls were genuinely looking for someone else only because the gig with Albie’s dad fell through. However, I did think it very odd that she struck up that conversation by the beach. Something about it seemed off.
Watching this episode now perfectly explains the very first episode where Craig is furious that Portia is on the trip with Tonya. Tonya was so mean to Porsche telling her to get out of sight because Greg was furious with her but now this is all perfectly clear because Greg had a grand plan to scam Tonya and Portia’s presence out
…Jack was put into place obviously to keep Portia out of the Villa the night of the party in general just keep her out of the whole scheme to defraud Tonya from her money.
Agree, very unique series (and episode). Really glad I get to experience live
Ummm “even though he was always honest with her”… you missed on that one. Ethan wasn’t honest with Harper by withholding important information about what happened, all to protect “his best friend” as opposed to his marriage, definitely skewed priorities with that one.
Not a prediction, but I hope Cameron swims with the fishes
I knew Greg was a cad in season 1
I agree with you! I love White Lotus!! I hope there’s a season 3 and I only wish they had many more episodes per season!
I believe Season 3 has been confirmed
@@paulclement4222 awesome!
Great commentary on the episode
Thanks, glad you enjoyed!
it's always so interesting to rewatch these videos when you know the ending
i get the sophistication in the images and the video, also in the writing and acting. I just found as the weakest link the story of ethan - harper, cameron - daphne, if you consider the amount of time the are portrayed in comparison to other more developed and interesting stories like Tanya. Also it seemed like in this second season we lost the hotel (and their workers) lifes.
Daphne has not been quiet at all- the only thing she has been doing and saying is how hot her masseur was. No way that was a coincidence
Timothy Chalamet is a cute guy, but not a hunk. That was an interesting person to use as a reference.
Daphne knows Harper is correct and that something happened while they were gone. She is punishing Cameron. She told Harper they play games with each other. Daphne booked the palazzo to punish Cameron and make him insecure.
I genuinely thought Lucia would be the body, but now I'm thinking it's Jack or someone in the Tanya/Portia plot.
Don't give up on Lucia. Since I haven't seen it mentioned in any comment section I'm assuming St Lucia's Day isn't celebrated in the english speaking world. The parallels could be entirely coincidental but they are so many and fit so well that I feel like I should give you all a SPOILER warning before sharing her story:
Lucia was an early christian from Syracuse, a city just south of where this season is set. Her mother's name was Eutychia, a greek name. Greco. When she refused to make a sacrifice to the emperor's image she was condemned to work in a brothel. When soldiers came to take her away they were unable to move her, even with a team of oxen, so they stabbed her to death. She is the patron saint of, among others, repentant sex workers. And her feast day is next week, the 13th of december.
@@marcushertz4434 That actually sounds crazy believable! I had a feeling in the last ep that Lucia's ""pimp"" would be the one to the body, hopefully having Alibe and his dad, his grandfather being the reason why he's dead. But I have a feeling that won't happen : / (Here's to wishful thinking tho)
@@amyjohnson599 the leg in the water is white and thin . rewatch the first episode opening scene.
There are more than 1 bodies so I still think Lucia will be one of them. I hope Greg too.
Portia and Jack are the ones who know too much. Im betting on them in the water
I think Tanya is up to her own game she no longer trusts these guys she didn't share what she saw with no one and she saw that picture of young GREG she might be going along with the antics so she lives another day also she saw that gun which I think she will use at some point to get away from these people.
Yes!! I thought the same thing. Tanya is smarter than they think. She's emotionally damaged by her parents but not dumb. I liked her best this episode. She offered to withdraw the prenup so Greg didn't have to work and he blew that off. So nullification of the prenup with adultery doesn't seem to be the goal.
@@sitori663 About the prenup, she asked him if that’s what he wants. She never really offered it to him in a serious way
At least that’s what I remember
She should have left the next day after seeing that the Jack wasn't the Nephew. Because why would they lie and why is jake seducing Portia then , the whole thing becomes more strange after seeing that. I agree at this point she is pretending like she is blown out and doesnt know what is going on. In one of the promos you see Tanya's Hand on a similar gun with a different outfit on.
@@Allison11111 she will pop somebody for sure 😄
@@CihatPeker We see her on the yacht coming back from Palermo with the same dress so she is def thinking about it -lol
The bird on Cameron's leg better resembles the bird-on-bird attack in the opening title sequence with Aubrey Plaza's name. I think it's more probable that Harper (played by Aubrey Plaza) will be doing something to Cameron and not Lucia.
he actually has those those tattoos IRL
@@EBWOLVES The bird on Theo's leg in that case! Cool tattoo!
What's the classical painting shown in Tanya's room at the end of the episode (nude woman sitting on the ground in profile, with an angry expression, against a dark background)? The camera lingers on it, so it is probably thematically important. I know I've seen this painting before, but just can't place it.
Hi! Maybe you already did but just in case,... you should revisit the episode where Tanya meets Greg. He mentions drinking on a boat, with a bunch of guys....twice
Do you think Greg is simply friends with these guys or possibly bisexual? I’m trying to figure out how he’s using them against her.
What’s your take on Quinten and Jack? Think Jack performs sexual favours simply to keep living the extravagant lifestyle or to repay Quinten for getting him out the hole?
@@Houseofcharch About Q and J I think so too. About Greg, I think he faked his illness since the start. He only coughs heavy when they were alone. I don't recall him behaving sick while swimming. Maybe they use her money to keep the property instead of opening to the public.
@@elleno.4822 ohhh what an interesting theory! Such a good point about him possibly faking being sick. Jack did tell Portia that Quinten was about to come into some money… sad that it’s likely the same revenue stream she’s living off of lol.
Lucia is playing Albie, saying all the things he needs to hear to bring out the ‘hero’ in him so he’ll come to her rescue financially.
Yep! Else why not translate what is being said between her and her supposed pimp? Also, if she were really in trouble she’d have mentioned something about it to Mia, I think. Like, we better get that $$ from those rich dudes from the other night or Alessio is going to beat me up. Plus, he only ever shows up to threaten her when she’s with Albie. Knowing that Albie might need funds from his dad, I think she staged the whole abduction in front of the entire family in order to play all of them.
Timothy Shamaley 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think I saw one of those birds on Jack's chest as well.
The trailer for season 2 has a scene with Tanya looking for a bag with a gun and glue which I think it's different from the one on this episode
What kind of a bag was it? Maybe it belongs to tanya? Maybe she knew that something is going on all along and took precautions. I think she’s way smarter than we think
Harper is punishing Ethan she is covering for daphane I believe she had her trainer come for a visit did exactly what Ethan did so it’s going to blow up in her face and they break up or finally break the bed in
I think you are wrong about Lucia, she is playing Albee. The thing with that guy just an act. She can have feelings for Albee and still be manipulating him
In retrospect Cameron’s hand on Harper’s shoulder, could be construed as a reassuring hand-as Cameron tells Harper , Ethan was a good boy. I think Harper now enjoys the flirtation, but I don’t think they hooked up in any manner
There was an interview Cameron (Theo) did where he talked about how important that changing into a swimsuit scene was in episode 1, so even though I want to think nothing happened, why would Theo say that in the interview?
Yeah, the hand on her thigh was not meant to be reassuring. He’s been coming on to her since they got there. It’s all part of this character who thinks he’s entitled to whatever he wants, and he currently wants his friend’s wife. Harper might sleep with him, because she doesn’t feel desired by her husband, but I think both couples will go home; Daphne and Cameron happy as a couple of clams and Harper and Ethan will all of this baggage about their relationship. I’m still not sure if Ethan isn’t gay; even though he was mad at Cameron for sleeping with the girls he liked in college; he didn’t seem to be able to come up with a reason why he doesn’t want to sleep with his wife. I mean, “work has been busy” it’s not a great excuse when you’re at a six star resort in Sicily, and she caught you rubbing one out two days ago. IMO.
@@JumpingBean80 I agree re hand on knee. Cameron’s impulse control leaves a lot to be desired. However Ethan did just ask him to clear this up with Harper. In addition, Cameron put both hands on Ethans shoulder in reassurance as Ethan blew off steam and made his request. So who knows? Yes Harper/Ethan dysfunctional and she was smirking- the expressions on her face might well have been due to tequila shots she had consumed. We are all having a delicious time harmlessly speculating re every nuance in words and behavior. Whichever way this goes- a good time was had by all.
@@JumpingBean80 Harper treats Ethan like an employee. That doesn't make her attractive and that's why Ethan avoids her.
I tune into these videos as religiously as I do for the show on Sundays
Haha, glad you enjoy them!
The entitlement of showing up at a persons house - 3 men - walking up to women and just expecting to be welcomed… everything is an example of men believing they are owed things.
Eh I think theres a cultural aspect you have to respect. First I think if there werent people outside of the house they would have knocked on the door, secondly there could be a difference in culture in Italy where something like that wouldn't be so entitled.
@@SR-zv5ue even if so that doesn’t change that what they did was rude and showed how entitled and clueless they are when it comes to women. They don’t even speak the language they definitely know nothing of the culture. Lol
@@Girlby3 How did you want them to approach them then? They greeted them and asked if they could meet the mother
@@SR-zv5ue it doesn’t matter what I wanted them to do I don’t write the show lol they got what was coming to them for being clueless and thinking women owe them things. Their entire storyline revolves around them not doing right by women and being oblivious to how they affect women.
And they couldn’t even speak the language/communicate properly.
Some how I want to excuse Tanya as a good person but is so screwed up she does the wrong things. If she shows up in Season 3 I would think Mike White feels the character has some promise (but Jennifer Coolidge is so great do we care?). I do want to say that I didn’t recognize Greg in the picture (was that really so obvious? Needed a better close up for my bad eyes) so I needed u guys to explain that to me. I will have to tell my husband when he watches it because I know he will miss that!
I didn't recognize either of them and still can't when i enlarge it!!
@@margaretstanton7567 Good to know! How many viewers who don’t watch the critical analysis on utube missed this😆 of course everything should be explained in the final episode. did u watch the video about explaining how the opening credits relate to the characters? wow that was a great one too!
@@michelledry9030 Just discovered BrainPilot so will have to go back and view all of them!! I catch a few things after 2 viewings, but miss so much!
@@margaretstanton7567 That’s why this show is so good! I need more than one view to savor all of the complexities of the show. Mike White, what a genius!
Just google a young photo of the actor who plays Greg. I thought it was pretty obvious, but maybe that's because I've seen the actor in other stuff when he was much younger.
I think Albie will kill Lucia when he finds out she has been playing him the whole time. The way he’s been claiming the title of “nice guy” the whole season makes me think that there will be a severely dark turn in the finale. He claims to be so much better than his father and grandfather, when in reality - he is by far the worst of them all.
I would love this ending.
I think Ethan and Cameron are a thing. Ethan has run rather than have sex with his wife. They may love each other, but Ethan is not attracted to her. After the hotel party, a 'tipsy ' Cameron tells Ethan that he wants to be inside him.
Yep. I think so too
Yeah I started to think that as well . I was actually thinking. Albie will kill someone once I watched the series again
I hope Portia steps up and saves Tanya. It would be nice to see her gain that strength. I feel like men are being set up to die at the hands of women.
I think, Greg had planned everything with Quentin before the girls reached the island. He might be in the villa to get evidence about Tanya's infidelity. What if Greg played her in season 1 already? This came into my mind but I might overthink it.
I hope, Tanya survives the holiday and can come back in season 3.
It might be Jack/Quentin and/or Greg in the water and someone from the Di Grasso storyline. Alessio or Lucia. Season 2 is brilliant, it's so sad that only one ep has left.
If Greg is in on a plot, that explains why he was so angry that Tanya brought Portia along on the trip.
I think it will be Greg and Quentin. Mostly because there’s no way they are going to kill off Tanya’s character, and it would be kind of romantic if Greg get shot by Tanya or her lover, and Quentin decides he can’t live without him and jumps into the water, too.
I think all is true. I think one important that everyone seems to be forgetting, (on recap videos) that back at the hotel, both Cam and Ian are completely disregarding the money they owe Lucia and Mia. And this could be the reason Alessio is so angry. They confronted Ian, and he immediately put that on the back burner of his mind, and Cam seems to have to intention of paying. It seems. Also, when the body was discovered back in episode one, Rocco clearly said there was more than one body.
My money is now on Cameron getting killed. Not sure if it was the preview where Harper asks, now what happens to us or Cameron just not paying for Lucia’s “services”. He’s reckless. Harper who was upset at Ethan for not disclosing did just as bad for allowing Cameron to touch her and not tell Ethan. Double locking/latching the door was no accident. Maybe she still becomes the victim.
Yeah looks like Ethan drowns him in the ocean during a fight
I agree I think Cameron gets drowned by Ethan maybe with Harper’s help.
@@IssaRaeOf10S Struggling fiercely in deep water like that. I just don't see a way out.
Nah, if they follow the theme of S1, no matter what the rich people do, they end up fine. I think both couples go home, Daphne and Cameron to their hedonistic open/closed marriage, and Ethan will end up coming out of the closet, or Harper will tell him she’s leaving him next episode because this is not what she wanted in a marriage.
I'm thinking that once Albee realizes Lucia was playing him (even if she does really like him), and once Portia realizes that Jack has done the same, the two of them will look at one another and realize that it would've been much better if they'd stayed together instead of straying. Portia especially, of course, because her choice to pursue Jack started the situations for both of them. I think in the end, Albee and Portia become friends thanks to the shared realization that exciting lovers aren't always the best idea.
It’s a stretch to call Cameron & Ethan best friends.
Keep in mind Daphne's relationship is a lot like how Nono's was with his deceased wife. It will be interesting to see how Cameron and Daphne play out and juxtapose with the Sicilian family.
Enjoying the Bruce Lee aesthetics of Ethan’s hairstyle
I think Harper played around when cameron took off his bathing suit in episode 1 ..could be totally wrong
With only 7 episodes total, of course any latest episode would be the best. Otherwise, the filmmakers wouldn't be doing their job. And these filmmakers are definitely acing with this series.
Notice how Jack’s neck is exposed when he’s passing out on the bed, with the word “Cowabunga” tattooed to his neck? An expression used by surfers catching a big wave. Could this foreshadow his death in the ocean?
Interesting theory. I love that Mike White could either have hidden the clue in the tattoo or simply that the expression 'cowabunga' reflects Jack's child-like mentality. He thinks it's a cool phrase. There is also possible symbolism in the place where Albie, Dominic & Bert visited: Testa Dell'acqua meaning "head of water" - a possible drowning reference.
He will hug the ocean for sure 😄
I think Harper did cheat with Cameron in the hotel room - because the message on Ethan's phone was sent 15 minutes before. It doesn't take that long to get a hat from your room does it?
Jack said Quentin was coming into some money and was going to help out his friends. The way Quentin told the story about the Wyoming cowboy, though, it sounded like it was a mostly one-sided relationship. Why would Greg give any of the money to Quentin, then? Also, Tanya told Greg she'd get rid of the pre-nup if that was his problem, so why go through all this at all.
It seems to me that Quentin might try to blackmail Tanya.
Quentin also said he'd still do anything for the cowboy. If Greg is working with Quentin he would pay Quentin for his part in this set-up of Tanya. Tanya told Greg she would get rid of the prenup so he / Quentin must want to kill her to get ALL her $$ as an inheritance vs a much smaller amount in a divorce.
Greg would give Quentin a cut b/c Quentin executed the elaborate ruse. That was a sizable job and the two probably had a financial pre-arrangement.
In one scene there was an old painting with a men who holds knife. In the room where Tanya finds the picture.i think it was a men.
You would think the di grasso family would at least learn conversational Italian especially if they were going to try to find relatives.
I don’t like Ethan. He just seems boring.
Portia hanging with Jack is getting a dose of reality when he gets drunk and unruly.
Lucia is definitely playing Albie.
I’m glad Valentina got a “gift” from Mia.
Quentin is shady af. I worry that Tanya is in danger.
Cameron is so entitled. I like daphne
So happy to see your breakdown! Always my favorite! One thing to mention… in the first episode, Rocco says that none of the dead bodies were guests of the hotel. So I think Lucia is the one in most danger. Definitely a camera on Tanya in the midst of her drug use and sexual dalliance, so a blackmail plan is afoot!
I just re-watched he says "one of the guests has drowned" then says "other bodies have been found...other guests have been killed" So I think the theory of it being maybe Tanya or Portia drowning, then others get killed? Man the suspense..
@@deniziz yes and Greg, Quentin and gang, Portias guy were all guests of the hotel. also the leg in the water is white and thin .
I could have sworn that Rocco said that to Valentina but just went back, and you’re right. The liability thing stuck in my head for some reason, her saying it’s not their fault for things that happened in the sea! Lol
@@beadragon1048 the Gypsy said to Tanya in Italian , you're madness will drive you to suicide. that's what was in the cards
@@Allison11111 omg what do we think about the ending??
At first I wondered why Tanya only gave Portia a cryptic warning about Jack.. I think Tanya knows Quentin is up to something shady but needs to tread lightly around him. She’s slowly realizing he might not have the money he says he does. Desperate people are dangerous people. If she had told Portia about what she saw between Jack and Quentin, Portia would have brought it up with Jack, who would have tipped off Quinten that Tanya is on to him. It’s better that she play dumb than to bring out the claws and risk her and Portia’s safety. That said.. Tanya should have been on high alert and should have held off on the coke binge lol.
I thought they were trying to kill her with the coke
Lucia doesn't owe anyone money. The dialogues are not subbed, but the guy who abducted her is just jealous (he might be a boyfriend or an ex boyfriend).
In my delusions, maybe Greg shows up to "bust" Tanya, wins a large part of her fortune through some prenup clause, and then is killed by Quentin, to look like suicide, and with which he also had a prenup that favored the bankrupted lord of the castle...
This episode really turned everything upside down!!!!
Madame Butterfly symbolism and foreshadowing and music
I’m not sure how it will end but I think the main theme in this season is women being presented as vulnerable or ‘lesser than’ actually having the upper hand in all the story lines. I think in Ethan and harpers case we thought harper was begging for Ethan to care for her again but really she has always had the upper hand, wether she realises it or not, he’s losing his mind over her. Cameron and daphne, she’s well aware of what he does and she seems to act dumb for the sake of the rich lifestyle, I think she really loves her independence and likes that he’s distracted by other women because it means she can get on with her life and have it all paid for her, she also has affairs but doesn’t have to work. Tanya might seem abit dim but she has the money and I think there’s more to her than we know, they’re trying to steal from HER, despite how she’s presented she is far richer and has more status. Lucia is playing every man she encounters, she plays the helpless victim to albie as that will entice him.
I think it’s all summed up quite perfectly when albie dom and Bert turn up to their families home which is surely no coincidence, three women, these men had put this journey on a pedestal, telling everyone they were here to see family & gloating about it. It was cut short so quickly because the three women in this had the upper hand and threw them out
Finally a judgment related to what the film offers.
Season 2 has been phenomenal as well. Do I prefer it over the first Season 1? I'm not entirely sure. I think this season has been far more complex and well written though.
Really wish we’re getting 2 more episodes. Feels like there’s just so much to tie up in 1 more. But we’ll see.
Looks like your prediction of Greg and Quentin possibly working together is true.
Same here! I’d love for an extended final episode!
Oooh, I only just realized the Daphne was probably the one in Harper and Ethan's room. What is she up to?
oooh good point!
That’s a good point! Never crossed my mind!
She's having fun trying to force this sad, icy couple to loosen up and stop trying to control everything although who can agree with her tacit acceptance of periodic infidelity? Still open marriages have been known to exist even if they inevitably hurt one or both of the couple.
@@ryanpatrickpreston open marriages can be perfectly healthy, even though this one clearly isn't. I'm getting a vibe like that brstty teenager from season 1. Maybe they're simply toying with them.
The legs in the opening scene definitely look like Portia's.
Lucia and Mia had a conversation on how they were going to use people to get ahead. Mia went for the piano job and targeted people- Lucia went for her California dream and targeted Albie. She doesn't love him. She wishes "all men could be like him" so she could scam them too. At best, she could have said it so she could live in a world where she wouldn't have to scam Albie. Eitherway, she is scamming the dude.
Luccia is manipulating that kid, it's obvious.
Interesting so many are assuming Harper had sex w/Cameron cuz she is over reacting to the fact that her husband lied about partying with the girls, then he told a partial truth, then he wants to be congratulated for not cheating, and has MADE NO EFFORT TO HAVE SEX WITH HIS WIFE, even after she tried to initiate intimacy. He has done nothing to make her feel the love, to feel attractive, to feel her husband wants her. Yeah, they are too young to accept this kind of marriage. Harper has every right to want more.
Have you wondered why Ethan isn't attracted to Harper anymore? Because harper treats him like an employee, she does nothing but give him orders, where to sleep, how to dress what to eat etc etc. Do you think a woman who does this is attractive?
I felt the episode was a bit bland and it seemed very hyped up especially with it being so close to the end of the season. I was so frustrated watching the Harper/Ethan and Portia/Jack drama. I just hope all the drama leads up to something worth watching in the finale.
i feel the same, just longing stares after longing stares, nothing of real importance showing here, and the season finale of last season was disappointing, so I'm thinking this season finale will also be a let down, theres no pay off
@@seraphim9333 yes Sharp Objects was great! I lowered my expectations of the finale now cause there are too many loose ends to tie up in 1 short episode and I hate it when directors rush the ending.
Boring episode
Prediction: Lucia sincerely likes Albie and sees that in a relationship with him she could achieve her dream of owning her own store and have a nice life of wealth in L.A. with a smoking hot, sweet, highly educated and rich young guy. She's had her share of creepy customer guys like Cameron. She, unlike Portia, can truly appreciate Albie vs seek emotionally unavailable but exciting guys.
Lucia knows that she has to overcome the obstacle that she was Dominic's escort. She and Mia used Bert's room so she knows Bert knows the truth.
The best way to do that is for her to convince all 3 guys she is being forced to work as a prostitute by her pimp. It is a natural instinct in most men to want to "rescue" the abused pretty woman "victim." Even Bert got out of the car to try to stop her! Despite the previous conversations they had about generational differences in male attitudes, all 3 generations jumped to defend and "save" Lucia.
I bet Alessio is a friend of Lucia's and as a favor agreed to help her out by pretending to be her stalker pimp. We never once saw Lucia having a pimp that I recall. She seemed to be arranging her own clients. This would be a very smart way to handle Bert & Dominic objecting to her relationship with Albie. They'd likely agree to keep her secret due to her embarrassment and shame at being "forced" to prostitute herself. And Dominic wouldn't want Albie or anyone to know he hired her.
They may not have made the connection with Italian relatives but they can return home feeling good about rescuing a beautiful young Italian woman from forced prostitution, a woman Albie clearly is falling in love with. Win - win - win all around!
If this ends up being true I hope no one dies unintentionally as a result - such as one of the 3 DiGrasso guys physically approaching Allessio. In Episode 1 Rocco told Valentina there was 1 drowned guest of the hotel and "a few other dead guests found" - ostensibly not in the water.
Dominic added Lucia and Mia to his abd Bert's room so they would be considered guests of the hotel. I love both of these characters and hope they don't end up dead! The "law of unintended consequences" was a theme in S1 and may be one in S2, as well.
ahhhh
I agree. I don't believe that she has a pimp for one minute. This came out of nowhere and seems to be a fiction.
Agree on almost everything you said.. I don't think Luchia has any pimp.. and that was all planned to create a victim narrative.. Probably because she knows it will impact on the senses of "innocent" males.
@@GraceCHenry yes ! Plus there was the scene between the girls that they acknowledge he is a nice guy … and Lucia and she looked his way as if he would be useful if she didn’t straight out say it … I do think Lucia is playing a game w that family
Ethan at sea kills Cameron out of jealousy. in the promo video, Ethan is wearing a pink t-shirt, and in the water he is strangling a hand in a pink t-shirt. then he goes to the room where his wife asks what happened
There’s clearly a direct Godfather parallel going on with the DiGrassio men.
Michael Corleone was a good wholesome man who was corrupted into the family business.
I see the same transition occurring with albie. He’s naive, and wholesome to a fault and prides himself on this quixotic fascination of never having bad relationships with women.
But there’s def a darkness to him that will he unleashed when he discovers Lucia is grifting him. He’s going to kill her and either burt or Dominic , out of sheer guilt , will help him cover it up or take the blame.
Albie will get away but hell just be be a new , even more damaged version of his father. And thus the cycle continues.
After correctly deducing Jack is NOT the nephew because of his disparate Essex accent, I have more Harvard logic: Given the rules of drama, the mythology behind the Sicilian severed heads (cheating husbands) has to pay off. Greg also has to make a reappearance. By that logic, I predict both Greg and Cameron end up in the water. Giuseppe also has to come back and I'd love to see him be the third body -- leaving Mia to play to her heart's content at the hotel and her ironic final song brings down the curtain.
I think Ethan is in love with Cameron's wife
Cameron probably stole her from him
Ethan did lie, he didn't tell her he kissed Lucia. Some people would not consider that cheating, but regardless he should have mentioned it to her so she could decide if it was important or not.
Nah, she made the move and he rejected. Yes there was a very brief kiss, but the guy was boozed up off his tits on MDMA and still refused! So massive props to Ethan for that one! 😉
What are the odds that Lucia is a relative of the same family that the De Grassos are looking for?
YES, it was all I could think about! There's a foreshadowing moment when Bert says something like "wouldn't it be incredible if we actually found some of our relatives" and a second later Lucia shows up as the "translator". And the reason didn't make it to the relative's house was that it would have spoiled the surprise too soon but we will find out in the final episode.
@@Mahelva Yes! Also the woman shouted something about “pretty money”. I think we cracked the case
But she's from Catania.
The only story line that bugs me is the alessio one, I don’t know if Mike White threw that in last minute or what, but it came out of nowhere which makes it super unbelievable (how many of us thought Lucia was lying when she brought up the man who needed her money), and it just seems like Mike White needed something to make Albie “save” Lucia, but I wish he would have given it more thought or incorporated it earlier on in the season
Pretty sure Lucia cooked up the Alessio thing to paint herself as a victim so Albie would want to rescue her. She realized she can work him for a long con, not just a night's fee. She wanted more out of life than her regular nights with clients, and this is how she's getting it.
@@SilverScale. totally agree. she either gets saved and goes to america or a fuck ton of money to pay off Alessio and open her store
@@SilverScale. I'm thinking this too. She's her own pimp and getting that guy to act like the muscle so she can pressure the clients into actually paying her since she never got paid by anyone. She's plotting more behind the scenes than what it seems.
@@SilverScale.I hope so because it’s so ridiculous! I just have a feeling it’s more strait forward and probably true. Given Albies character he probably would’ve saved her no matter what so it seems unnecessary
He wouldn't be introduced until after Lucia meets Albie. I wonder if Alessio is her friend pretending to be her pimp to make Albie, Dominic and Bert want to "save" her and bring her back to L.A. with them. I think she really likes Albie. After working as a hooker she appreciates a nice "good" guy - who is also wealthy, smart and hot!
Tanya needs to survive so she can sail in to season 3!
I would like to see her in a Season 3 as well!
Valantinas story is very boring but wonder how , if at all it ties into the grander plot
my bets are Albie, Lucia and Ethan.
Not a bad guess!
So that was Greg in the picture?!
Yes!
My when she was shooting them all I was like go girl I thought she might survive was really dark at the table get so sorry for her.
What if the extended Grasso family is Lucia’s family. When they yell at the three US Grasso’s they inquire- Are you here for the money?
But Lucia would have surely known that was her family. She asked the locals if there were any Di Grassos when she was acting as the family’s translator and they told her where they lived. Then she told Albie’s family.
@@coffee_singing2315 You are probably correct. However, one way or another-she wasn’t there. We still don’t know who those people are Lucia left with. We have only her word.
Quintan wants Tanya's money.
Ethan is very passive aggressive. His wife asks him if he still desires her sexually and he answers, "I love you." That's not what she asked.
It's so unusual for a young man his age to be so indifferent to sex. Harper is right. He 's not being honest about his lack of sexual desire.
He watches porn too so that’s a factor is that
I think he may be gay and is in denial about it. Cameron telling Ethan he wanted to "be inside him" - "do things to him" and "make him feel good" made me think they fooled around in college. Ethan watches female porn to try to "be" straight.
If true, Cameron messing around with Harper would enrage Ethan for several reasons. Maybe Harper is just trying to make Ethan jealous and it works, but to a degree she never expected i.e violence.
My ex husband was the same and I divorced him because of it. I was a successful model and I loved him but he started treating me like a roommate and it was just so frustrating.
@@sitori663 there was no hint about him being gay. Cameron's lines were pure jokes. I am a man and I heard this weird jokes many times. It's like saying to a friend: i would fucking kill you bro but i love you bro. Same fun male energy
@@sitori663 I like that Mike White manages to maintain enough ambiguity to allow the possibility that he's gay. However, from my view Ethan has grown detached from Harper partly b/c Harper is kind of uptight and cold. There's no humor b/w the two. I think a lot of the magic of their earlier relationship was probably compromised on the way to Ethan climbing the ranks and cashing in. I think the two became entangled by money and success.