Dr. Jordan is searching out the scriptures. It's in his head, but I don't think it has reached his heart yet. I pray that our Heavenly Father draw him to Him, in Jesus' precious name!
I agree completely! He is 100% approaching this topic from an intellectual viewpoint, and while that may lead to something, he's missing the meat and potatoes. He is lacking that child like faith that emanates from the heart.
Billy Graham once (or many times) said something like, "For many people Jesus is 12" inches away-the distance from the head to the heart." Jordan is a moralist. He admires Christ, but he loves Jung. He often quotes Jesus, but filters him through Jungian teachings. He knows nothing about being Born Again, regeneration is not a work of God, it is an act of the will. He's not almost saved, he's almost a liturgical religionist. He likes forms and symbols. He "sees through a glass darkly," but unless he repents he won't "see face to face." I love him and pray for him.
@@tiggercampbell6198He literally ended his comment with love and prayers. That is not judgement. He was just being straightforward and honest with his analysis of Peterson, which was spot on.
That's a VERY ACCURATE and grace filled observation of Jordan Peterson! Love the dude, he would be like the modern day Ben Franklin or Thomas Jefferson (who weren't real born again Christians) and he would helpful in the next American Revolution...but his head is sadly getting in the way of humbling himself and reading the New Testament as a supernatural document about our lostness as a human race that can't save ourselves by just "making our beds".
Problem...He is a Noahide Laws kinda guy. Like those who persecuted Christians at the very beginning after Jesus went to sit at the right hand of the Father. You know the Christians will be persecuted by those who bring them to Synagogues. And also it says, Those who say they are Jews but are the synagogue of satan. Only one group fits that description. The new testament and Jesus is a HUGE problem for them.
@Scribeintheink Peterson is mentally unstable. He only turned to God because he was in a heap of full trouble. A lot of them do. He seems delusional. Psychologists are some of the most craziest people, along with psychiatrists, in the world. It isn't surprising. He broke under tremendous stress. He is now pretending to be Christlike to cope with his mental decline. We shouldn't follow Gurus or idols. Jesus is the way, not Peterson or any other person claiming to be some kind of leader of the people. Perhaps, turn to the Bible for guidance or the pastor. If you are so gullible to believe in a Guru like Peterson, then where is your faith in Christ? Have you not read up in the Bible about worshipping idols and their serpent-like tongue that lies so easily? There is only one way, and that is through Jesus. Peterson is a false idol. Plain and simple.
I’ve never thought of JP as being saved he has openly and clearly defined himself as “not quite there yet” the real danger here is in us Christians putting him up on a pedestal as some sort of ‘spokesperson for Christ’ because of his passionate following, “a form of godliness” …
I don't think he's there yet. I don't know if its a help or a hindrance that his wife became Catholic. They acknowledge that God healed her (which is how I think he got this far) but I'm not sure they know Jesus in the soul saving way yet.
@@tiggercampbell6198 Sorry, can abide by this... Romans 10:14-15 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? and how shall they preach, except they be sent?". Has Dr. Peterson humbled himself and started listening to the Word preached by one in Christ? Seems he's trying to use human intellect to discern spiritual meanings. You are asking the blind to find his way.... I appreciate that he's searching scripture on his own, but he needs a guide.... For my own testimony, I heard the call one day. I just woke up and started Google searching for local churches. I started listening to a local church and my friend pointed me to a Church he had just got baptized in. I'm now under the care of a rare preacher and I thank the Lord for that..... None of the path was natural, it was all God... I just believed and submitted....
I would assert his wife becoming catholic that anti-christian/biblical religion of old would not be a good. And i'm not saying that lightly. Bible says by faith and grace in God alone and some more key points. If you take catholicism at face value according to the "official teachings" from the catholic cannon i'm anathema-ed because know the Bible teaches by faith and grace apart from work, for that i'm on my way to hell... So the problem with Mr. Peterson's wife becoming catholic if/when Mr Peterson might go for a relationship with Christ it will be the false one in Catholicism you think? This "MUST" is at the same level of John 3:3 "You must be born again... that would be John 4:24) God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” No matter how sincere one might believe a false Christ will only get one into hell. Kind of in line with Acts 17:30) Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, Repenting would include tearing down the false God as it would also go against: Exo 20:1) Then God spoke all these words, saying, 2) “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 3) “You shall have no other gods before Me. 4) “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5) You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, In the end God is a God of truth... Like He said "I am The way, The truth and the Life..." Also considering Rom 1, would assert all know God, for God has made it evident so that all men are without excuse...
@@dand4485 This hasn't been helped by his daughter's claim to now be a 'Christian.' She has some very strange ideas and philosophises much too often. She dances around the campfire too much.
Oddly enough, I came to a similar conclusion listening to his recent interview on Pints with Aquinas. It was Peterson who helped me at a time when I needed to be able to intellectualise the Bible, and this in turn helped bring me to Jesus, but listening to him now, it doesn't seem that he has the Gospel. Pray for him that God may reveal his Grace. Love what you do here, and God bless you 🙏 ❤
He did the exact same thing for me too. He actually got me to start reading the Bible with his biblical series on Genesis. This, in turn, brought me to Jesus. It's painful to listen to him pontificate about what the stories mean when he's completely missing out on the gospel.
Dont u see the irony, dingbat? U need a secular thinker to intellectualize the supposedly true metaphysics? Shouldn't it have been an actual theologian? 🤔
I would say this is incorrect because he has a wrong understanding of grace. I further your comment by saying that he is a disciple of Jungian psychology, and Jung was an occultist and a mystic. Peterson's major misstep, the thing He gets wrong is that Christianity is NOT based on the Christian but rather on the Father, through the Son, by the power of the Holy Spirit. He is viewing it as an endeavor of man instead of an endeavor of God. Part of me thinks it may be less a misstep and more his intent(just conjecture).
thing is that without a relationship with God through Christ, by definition he has not understood the gospel at all. "he who is spiritual judges all things, but he himself is judged of no man. for who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? but we have the mind of Christ" 1 Corinthians 2
@@JonathanVachon777 he doesn't even get it intellectually. He gets a few points out of it that are tertiary points, but misses the main points by a mile.
I think that it will click for JP one day, God willing. Love the guy, intellectual heavyweight, lots of respect. But yeah, he is missing that the Gospel is all about our hopeless sinfulness, God’s perfect righteousness, and our restored relationship with Him through the sacrifice of Christ. It is simple, but it is tough to watch JP, because his intensity shows that he almost desperately wants to know God and to figure this out, but it is like he can’t figure it out because he is relying too much on his giant brain and tripping on it over and over. The day that the Gospel clicks for him will be an awesome day. Praying for it.
What has been stated here . . . Reminds me of that Simon, the sorcerer who wanted to tithe to Philip & Peter, to buy the gifts of the Holy Spirit to enhance his mystical performance. I do sincerely pray for this man . . . he was intellectually challenged to finally be humbled to see the logic of the scripture, on utube during covid in 2020 - since then he saw definite change in other celebrity personalities, interviewed with them, seeming what they have discovered that he has not . . . he is seeking & also acting out what he sees in those who have this, thinking he has succeeded in fooling us . . . HE TRULY DOES NEED OUR PRAYERS!!! Perhaps we are not praying for the correct thing that he needs?
So many are being pulled in the wrong direction in every avenue of society. Until Peterson surrenders, he'll never truly understand. I pray he falls to his knees, cries out to Christ, and seeks an intimate relationship with his Creator. Love your content! May God continue to bless your ministry abundantly! LOVE BOLDLY! ❤️✝️
Yeah, you can see how close Peterson is to understanding, but until he actually surrenders to the reality of Jesus sacrifice, death and resurrection, that gulf is an infinite expanse.
@@jjkrayenhagenFacts. He is an example of a highly intelligent man who I definitely respect as many others do. However the wisdom of man is foolishness to God. As close as Jordan is. He is still lightyears away from a true understanding of scripture and won’t get there until he surrenders his life to Christ. Because without revelation of the Holy Spirit a person can read the Bible front to back 1000 times and you still will never truly understand God’s meaning. And without being saved you simply cannot receive the Holy Spirit. This is why the Bible should NEVER be taught by someone who is not a TRUE Christian
Jordan Peterson reads into what he thinks the Bible is saying and kinda makes it like a self help guide. He needs the Bible to speak for it's self because the Bible is the word of God and it tells us of our fall and God's redemption for man kind and it can help us live a better life in Christ.
Nate, I understand your frustration, but it's not as though Jordan Peterson has made a proclamation for Christ. My wife always says, why do we get frustrated when lost people act like lost people. No matter how brilliant he is from an earthly perspective, let's not forget that it pleases God to confound the wise! Jordan has such a huge platform we all wish that God would move on his heart. Imagine the impact a man like that could have with the true and living God inside of him! I pray that everyone who follows you would pray for his salvation...to God be the glory.
Yo Nate you’ve been absolutely killin it with the content recently and your insight into each of these subjects has been really helpful… but these debate reviews tho👀 there’s been a lot of really good ones recently that many of us would love to hear your insight on those as well
This channel is properly named. I love the way you teach, enlighten and break things down. Every idea and point refers back to scripture, as it should. Thank God for blessing you with this skill set that you obediently share with us and may God continue you fill you with wisdom and understanding.
It's become clear , as time passes , that Jordan Peterson does not know Christ as his Saviour . The big problem has been that because he is very glib and intelligent people have mistakenly thought that he (Peterson) was , automatically , wise in all matters , including the Bible . There is no glimmer of Holy Spirit derived knowledge of God in any of Peterson's answers to spiritually based questions . My constant prayer is for his salvation .
daniel: Thank you for stating this clearly. Peterson is just psycho babble. There are clips here on RUclips where he is explicitly asked if he believes in God, Christ, and the resurrection. These questions can be answered with one word: yes or no. Instead JP babbles on for 10 minutes trying to be intellectual, but he never ever answers these 3 questions. And people are so taken with this man! Peterson has never ever quoted a single scripture, never confessed the gospels on air, and yet people are hanging on his every word. What exactly does he believe. If he believes so heavenly and he has such a media presence--why isn´t he proclaiming the Good News. Instead, he just spews psycho babble!
@@rrickarrI would have to look for it, but he has made a definitive answer and the last year to that question, which IIRC he said he does believe. I actually liked his old answer which was that it was such a deeply personal question that he didn’t want to reveal that answer. Which I can also understand.
Dr. Peterson has a wonderful heart. He attempts to do what so many pastors in their preaching do not. That is, make the "right-living" teachings of scripture relatable so we can apply it at a practical level. He is, after all, a clinical psychologist. That's what he does, help people sort out their lives. That is all to be commended, but what he leaves out is the foundation; knowing God. Dr. Peterson places the burden of turning one's life around entirely on self, and the Holy Spirit is left out of the picture. He has stated that he's no longer an atheist, but I'm not yet convinced he even believes in anything spiritual beyond God's existence. The mysteries of God's word are spiritually discerned, and Dr. Peterson seems to rely entirely on his intellect. He has plenty of practical wisdom for helping people get their act together and live something of a decent life, but none of that will point people to Christ. I pray the Lord opens his eyes.
I think you were expecting a little too much from Jordan Peterson. Even tho he often has brilliant insights that even Christians can learn from, he is after all a secular scholar trying to understand spiritual things from a secular point of view.
May God not be found from a secular standpoint? If reality is by his design, how is science not observing God's intention? The worlds greatest scientists have always been theistic for this reason.
@@nicks5438 Knowing God exists by studying science is NOT the same thing as understanding God or His ways from a secular perspective. Paul says so himself that it is literally impossible for someone who doesn't have God's Spirit to understand Him: "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, *but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God* (1 Cor. 2:12)."
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 I get your point and value your take on this. Still, I question what it means to have the "spirit". A "secular" approach can be viewed with an atheistic or a theistic perspective. As the choice of perspective itself is a non-secular decision, I'd say that is what determines faith or lack thereof. Basically I just think people are being way too harsh on Peterson's approach. I believe it's an underserved Christian perspective.
Dr. Peterson is a brilliant and gifted man. I appreciate how he encourages/challenges people to learn how to think deeply and critically. That’s important. That said, it saddens me that he misses Christ. Spend any time going through his series on Exodus. You’ll see that he isn’t reading the Scriptures through the lens of Christ - which is ultimately the basis of good hermeneutics. Dr. Peterson values God’s Word. But that isn’t the same as loving and submitting to Christ’s lordship.
Peterson is brilliant, but he doesn't fear the Lord. I pray he will come to know the Jesus that saves. Thank you for this podcast. It really makes us think about our own salvation. Praying for your ministry.
I'm curious did this video help you? I have been a Christian for a long time and I hated this video. I don't know who this guy is or what he teaches but based on this video I'd be embarrassed if he was my Pastor. Maybe he does a better job in his other videos. For me, he criticizes Jordan, who's a young Christian and still trying to in the public eye sort all this out. Second, this guy is frantic "We're dealing with some serious stuff here" like get a grip. As if the LORD is running around panicking where everyone is at. Have some faith in the LORD and His work in people's lives. He also seems to have bought into the whole religion of morality "This is about moral obligation" NO it's not. Morality is the antithesis of Jesus. Morality has never and will never save anyone. As people both Christians and non-Christians, we like to first define morality and then convince ourselves we are moral to feed our egos. Morality is a roadblock to Jesus not a path to Jesus. Morality is an illusion and a deception that the self-righteous buy into. I expect when I listen to Jordan about the Bible that he's going to get it wrong because he's very young spiritually trying to understand it. However, when a channel is called "The Wise Disciple" critiquing Jordan I expect both wisdom and grace in knowing Jordan's spiritually young. I saw neither. My comment in the general section wasn't so much on the video but to create a biblical foundation that was lacking. The Sermon on the Mount which isn't even understood by many Christians is about basically the rules of heaven, of His Kingdom. It's not morality-based, it's spiritually based. Matthew 5:3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Now many think we just need to be poor in Spirit, or meek, or live modest, or whatever. But Scripture tells us Romans 3:9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin. 10 As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;..." The delusion of morality is that if we are just more moral than maybe we can get to heaven. Our sins are not what keeps us out of Heaven. We can't just be more moral. 1 Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Ss long as you and I are human we cannot enter Heaven, EVER. So what has Jesus done? Well, He says for us to put our trust in Him to save us. the moment we do we are Born again. Our dead Spirit is made alive. Now when we die our soul goes to Heaven and our bodies stay in the ground. 2 Cor 5:6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. No matter how moral or immoral you are as long as you're flesh and blood you will not enter Heaven. You either have Jesus or you don't. Having Jesus means your soul is saved and will go to heaven and on resurrection day we will be given new immortal bodies 1 Cor 15"50-57. This is why we are a new creation. We are neither dead to sin like humans nor divine like angels. We are a mixed breed and we are at war within ourselves daily. Romans 7 and this is why 2 Cor 12 says :9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Because His grace is sufficient while we are here while we seem to live for the LORD one second and ourselves or the world the next. It used to be understood you either have Jesus or you don't. So let's share the Gospel. Then help them grow to share the Gospel. To understand the young in the faith will waiver, adopt incorrect theology, struggle with stuff, past life, addictions, on fire for the LORD one day, back in the bars the next. Our job as mature Christians was to help walk with them and help them grow. To trust the LORD as Phillippians 1 says 6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ; and trusting the LORD's work in their lives. His timing, His pace, but not today. Maybe I'm too critical but it was both sad and infuriating for me to watch the video. I'm curious as to your thoughts.
I think that analysis like this for Jordan Peterson is time very well spent. He is so phenomenally smart and has a lot of good insights, but everything that he does unfortunately just falls short because he just won't engage with the Bible as a believer. He is super good at understanding human nature from a psychological standpoint, especially from the standpoint of understanding human nature from the stories that resonate with truth of human nature. The unfortunate limitation though is that that is as far as his biblical understanding goes. He treats it like meaningful stories rather than revelation from God.
If I had to pick a verse to summarize the Sermon on the Mount, it would be Matthew 5:16, "In the same way, let your good deeds shine out for all to see, so that everyone will praise your heavenly Father. "
Peterson allows his intellect to get in the way of true understanding that he confuses the fear of God for a psychological blueprint or pattern and never gets to the spiritual meat of the gospel substance. He still sees it as humanistic derivative insight of the mind. A relationship with God is so much more than just that… he’s trying I guess, And I believe God is working with him but he needs to let go of psychology and open both his heart and mind to what God wants for him.
I always found it sad when people dont want to become a Christian because they don't want to suffer. But they dont realize they suffer already, not being a Christian, and actually prosper and endure as one
@colinpierre3441 it's pretty much guaranteed to be a Christian. Becoming christ like means you suffer a little when you see others not having a relationship with God. Like Paul told Timothy, you have to endure to bring those to Christ
Why does he need to blather on the air. Why can´t he go away and be silent and in prayer. How can he possibly hear the voice of God if he has it all figured out!!!!
Thank you kind sir. It was my suffering and me realizing ihave sinned that makes me in need of a savior. I want to and am repenting. I want God to be proud of me.
It's a good thing Jordan was analyzing these stories in a literary psychological way, not a biblical way. Before he was willing to admit he believed in God, Jordan still said the bible was a good book to read because it had so much to teach about life. Go to your preachers and teachers for lessons about God. Go to Jordan for phycology
Seriously. I find it disappointing to see so much criticism when Peterson is clearly speaking about the Bible in a language that secularists can relate to. I was one of those secularists not too long ago and he was one of the main influences that allowed me to come to Christ. Peterson is uniquely capable of bringing people so far gone from the path that they have lost all sight of it, back into the paths direction. Is he perfectly on path and bringing those people back onto solid ground? No. But he is pulling orders of magnitude more people than any preacher alive today. People who were so far gone into secularism and atheism that no pastor or priest could ever appeal to. God is truly working through Peterson, even if his message is imperfect.
@darkentity I agree. Most importantly, we must recognize what purpose his words serve, and at that moment, their purpose is aimed at the person in front of him, just like this video is aimed at us. We are a very different audience, operating at a very different level of understanding. To make conclusion about the insight a teacher has in a subject, from how he speaks to a child, is silly, when we have not heard him speak to a peer. Just like it would be silly to judge children's understanding by the standards of adults. Not to say, there are always new things we can learn from even the simplest of observations, if we just keep our heart open to receive it.
Funny enough Jordan has helped me quite a lot in my spiritual journey. I was already a Christian when I started listening to him. His view of the Bible offered a different lense of the Bible. Combining what I knew and his teachings took me to another level. Not every teacher who teaches the word of God is the same. God can still be glorified in the teachings if Dr Peterson.
Excellent take on this brother. I couldn’t agree more on your analysis of Peterson’s perspective. And that was a very clear explanation of the real point of the sermon on the mount. Peterson was a big part of me coming back to realize the truth in the faith I was taught as a child. Thank the Lord, He has sent His workers to guide me to the true gospel of Christ and His sacrifice, not mine. I hope Jordan stops dancing around admitting his sin and puts his full trust in the atoning work of the cross which our savior shed His blood to preserve.
I’m so glad this video was made because I just went to see Jordan Peterson in my area last week for his we who wrestle with God tour…And I remember thinking after it was over “I wanna know what Nate thinks about this man’s teaching because Dr Peterson has great insight and his voice is no doubt influential, but is it actually biblical?”
I love JP, he was influential in me coming to know Christ, as he made me think about God seriously for the first time in my life. That being said, the man will absolutely ignore the text when it suits his desires. Example: when discussing Jonah, Peterson describes Jonah's impetus to disobey God as a fear of the Ninevites. This fits into his worldview quite nicely. Anyone who reads the text, however, can see quite clearly that Jonah rejects the instruction of God due to hatred. It is true that Jonah being motivated by fear is a common misconception amongst those who are not very biblically literate. However, I expect a man as intelligent, thoughtful, and supposedly dedicated to truth as JP to not make such mistakes when they are so clearly laid out in the text of scripture.
His Exodus series is fantastic. ! It blew me Away Look up Jonathan Pagueau. He breaks down the Symbolism in the Bible. Which is why Jesus Spoke in Parables. It gave me DEEP understanding of what The Bible was saying. It is literal, of course, but it is also a Story . His Story
@@Tonyvillanueva94 Wrong. Christ told the disciples that He spoke in parables so ppl WOULDN'T understand what He was teaching. He clearly told the disciples that the Father DIDN'T want the ppl who weren't called to understand the gospel, and so many "Christians" today don't either. Read it for yourself: "it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, *but to them it has not been given* (Matt. 13:11)."
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Yes exactly. The Bible is full of Symbolism, and people dont understand what it means for the exact same reason. Seeing they do not see. Hearing they do not hear.
He likes the idea of God for the good of society. But he cannot let his intellectual self believe. It is a shame he's missing out on the peace in knowing Jesus is Lord. The gifts he has are from above but he is unwilling to connect the dots.
😂😂😂...."I wanted a steak dinner but instead I got a happy meal". When are we going to stop equating great thinking with actually knowing Jesus Christ? Smh
@paulperez6167 absolutely no issues with "intellectual endeavors" in regards to scripture. It's when the exaltation of men over the scriptures perspective is when it becomes dangerous. For example, this clip of Jordan Peterson quoting Jesus is a prime example of someone who is absolutely brilliant in regard to worldly things but ignorant in regard to scripture.
Thank you for this video pastor Nate, I’ve been fighting confusion about Jordan Peterson and his teachings on the Word for a little while. This has cleared some things up and has put my mind and soul to rest!
You made Dr. Peterson’s point for him. “On earth (here & now… aka: the present) as it is in heaven” (the kingdom of God, the highest moral good). So, aim at the highest good and live in the present.
Peterson's explanations are simply secular translations that make the central themes palletable to agnostics and atheists. Aim high = a baby step pointing you to realize there are things better than others. Then from there, you get to the ultimate good. = Aim to please God. Tell an atheist or a secularist that Jesus is the ultimate good and you should serve him and aim to please... See how many you convert and bring to Christ... I think this whole video completely misses the mark regarding what role Peterson plays in the current Christian revival. He's probably responsible for more people turning to Christ than all popes of my lifetime combined! He provides a great opportunity for people like Nate to then come in and bring these now receptive hearts closer to the true word of God.
Ironic how often these evangelists whore themselves out for personal plugs and sponsors, begs for subscribers and likes then passes quick judgement on another individual. All while making their relationship with God public instead of personal. Blind instantaneous contradiction...never ceases to amaze me.
@@darkentityYou can argue he's brought more folks into the name of Christianity, but claiming he's made more Christians is as false as claiming Osteen has made more Christians.
Your error here is that said statement is asking the Father to bring his kingdom. It has nothing to do with us aiming higher while we live in the present. The NT is about being born-again, not aiming anywhere as if righteousness is a product of human will. Moreover, the Sermon on the Mount starts with the Beautitudes, which describe the sufferings will endure if we're born-again, so the starting context is about being born-again (a miraculous state of being), not aiming anywhere. The repeat message of the NT is that YHWH comes to us.
@@blanktrigger8863 are people attending the church of Peterson? No. They are becoming christians and going to local churches where they hear the true gospel. Your comparison is completely off and your point is moot.
He just delights in “psycholog-izing” everything into its abstract themes instead of actually digging into the history. Yes, it’s interesting to explore why Cain said this and why Jesus did that, but to be so enamored with all of it and seemingly totally uninterested in the historical truth of it is crazy
From his perspective it doesn’t matter if it actually happened, because the truth within the story is more important to him and to a growing disinterest in God, it is important to get the message out to others in a way they can accept it. If you paint the story in a God says sort of way you lose any chance of reaching atheists.
@@SaltyCorpsman See, I was initially more patient with his approach for this exact reason, but I don't think you can intellectually straddle this fence because presupposing that it is probably not true *removes* the truth behind it and takes all the steam and conviction out of his moralizing. What I mean is, if there is no God, then none of this is "true" anyway. Moral relativism reigns, the mindless universe cares 0% if we live or die, and we're all just playing dress-up
I really appreciate what you're doing for the kingdom of God pastor, you've been a big blessing for me and helping me grow in my walk with Jesus Christ. God bless you pastor
I would have liked to see you breakdown what he told Shawn about "belief in God" and then saying "You're going to go through every thing exactly like Jesus did" that one really confused Shawn, this was later in the interview.
I remember an interview where Peterson was in tears with the gravity of what it means to know God, and now he's turning out these trite Joel Osteen platitudes. It's weird to watch someone's life through the window of social media. He needs our prayers.
Yup, I saw that too & was delighted. Then saw Tucker Carlson & now Russel Brand - interesting that he is "hanging" with these other 'new' Christian celebrities, wondering what they got & what he is missing!!!
Yet, if you watch all the clips when he is explicitly asked if he believes in God, Christ, or the resurrection---he never ever explicitly answers the questions. He rambles on for 10 minutes in a bunch of psycho babble. Much great analysis and discernment is needed.
Nate, Peterson largely deals with the Bible on a psychological level, which is not truly wrestling with God at all IMO. Jordan views the Bible as useful to humanity as it is a transcendent story that speaks correctly to the human condition, but he doesn't really think theologically about it all. But it is spot on to correct his misunderstandings about it.
My brothers and I went to see Dr. Peterson’s lecture. This is the exact sentiment we came away with, just massively disappointed in his surface level takes on the Bible. Yet another excellent breakdown, Pastor Nate. Your explanation on the structure of the Sermon on the Mount was something I haven’t come across before and was quite enriching.
Amen. SPend some time with the many clips where JP is asked if he believes in Christ, God, the resurrection---and he bables on for 10 minutes with intellectual psychoBABBLE and he never ever answers which should be a simple one-word answer: yea or nea!!!! And then he takes up time on the internet spewing this nonsense. If he wants to be a Christian, he needs to go away in silence and pray and then receive proper instruction.
Dr Peterson is wise in worldly wisdom. " The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written." I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent". 1 Corinthians: 18-25. Unless a man is born again of the Spirit of God he cannot see the Kingdom of God. Dr Jordan Peterson is using his wisdom and understanding to interpret the word of God. A very serious thing to do. "Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God." He really needs to be challenged by true believers. He is trying to enter the narrow gate to salvation through his own endeavours. Essentially without surrender to Jesus Christ the Lord.
Kudos for addressing this. I've been following you for a while & was so happy when you did the Dr. James White interview because I knew it was really going to give you/your channel the exposure that's deserved. And now that your audience has grown it's great that you're calling out false/incorrect teachings & claims. I'd like to see more of your debate reaction vids too.
Aim up = focus on God’s Promise for future blessings. Live in the present = properly placing value on your struggles based on those same promises. I know it sounds like self help guru stuff, but the theology is in there.
It’s like JP doesn’t see that salvation is necessary. I get that he see that Christianity and the Bible is a HUGE thing as he says it all the time but it like at most he sees it as important but for some reason he doesn’t see that it is absolutely mandatory. It’s like someone needs to tell him that part of it.
I am often disappointing anytime JP talks about scripture or Christianity. It’s almost like he refuses to believe in the clear teachings of the Bible, but he does believe that it is a net good in the world. So he tries to reinterpret God’s Word using his own psychoanalysis bent.
Thank you for speaking straight and not holding back. Watching him interviewed on some other channels, I see people feel intimidated at correcting him. I think people have shown him enough grace and patience. “Aiming up” and “aligning with the good,” etc is moralistic and pragmatically therapeutic. He misses the point of the message because he doesn’t express anything about the relationship of law and gospel, and the necessity of a propitiatory sacrifice. I saw a clipped video of him on Pints with Aquinas, and there he said that the faith is “not propositional truth.” Later he seems to say it is true in a historical sense, but he muddies things with saying things that are false or emphasizing things that should not be emphasized. Thanks for interacting with this.
Oh just wait until you see the Pints with Aquinas episode with JBP. It almost got me mad by the end of it. He has a deep misunderstanding of God himself as the basis of everything he does these days.
In my estimation, for those who have heard and accepted the gospel message, Dr. Peterson adds a brilliant and fascinating take on many stories found in scripture that Christians can discern their way through. Frankly I love listening to the guy! That said, I completely understand how his teachings on scripture can be confusing or incomplete for those who are unaware or still seeking.
St. Paul in his letter to the Corinthians sums it up. "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith...Think of it this way. If Christ didn't die (on our behalf) and actually (physically) resurrect, Peterson nailed it. As Christians, however, we know there is much more to the story. Thank you for making this video and clearing this up for us! May God’s will be done on earth as it is in heaven!
Not everything has to be uncovered. We just need to ask forgiveness for our sins and the sins of those who have trespassed against us and move the heck on. He did say, go and sin no more, He didnt say sit down w a psychiatrist and figure it all out. God brings healing that "uncovering" will never fix. Many times a step of faith in the right direction and doing the hard thing no matter how we feel, is what brings the healing. Many times we have to forgive ourselves more than anyone or anything. God is so beautiful and kind to love us. more than we deserve. Accepting that love and forgiveness brings the healing.
Here's something people really need to consider. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable and it's a fine line when someone refers to themselves as God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Picture a person standing in the presence of God and explaining why they referred to themselves as Mary, Jesus, God, John the Baptist, John the revelator, apostles, the mother of John the Baptist, etc. I for one will not be standing beside them. Imagine what it's gonna be like when they come face to face with the real Heavenly righteous ones in Heaven that were from the day's of old. What account will they give, what excuse will they have other then they did it to lead people to hell. What a shame.........
Enjoying the video, though I wanted to point out, Peterson isn’t a Christian. He’s danced around it with words, but if you listen to him, as in this video, his whole hope is to give people a way to function and in a Jung way wants them to tap into the stories that will make them a better husband and better father a better mother and so on… but he never speaks about Christ Jesus and his saving act upon the cross. Who does the spirit declare and speak of, Jesus, those who are born of the spirit are spirit, those who are born of the flesh flesh. Love your videos brother! Keep it up! May our King and Lord bless you and use you for his eternal purpose!
If there’s any confusion if what I said, to summarize, I felt the video posed him as a Christian dancing around the truth that he just doesn’t seem to what to speak.
Dr. Jordan is speaking to both believers and non believers. he said, "looking up means to align yourself with the Spirit of God." this is for the believer. Then he said, "if you want to bring it down to earth, (practicality) you can aim to improve on yourself as an upward aim." this is for the non believer. if JP speaks only using Christian terms, everything he says will fall on deaf ears. So rather than allowing that to happen, he decides to come to where the non believers are and speak in a way that they understand. (Sound like Christ to me.)
Arxy: NO!!!! JP uses Biblical terms without ever defining them. He says, "God makes Abraham a deal." Sounds nice. His interpretation of the great deal is that you, Abe, will be made famous for generations. He does not explain anything Biblical at all!!!!
Thank you for doing this video! I listened to this clip but didn't listen and discern what Peterson was actually saying like I should be as a wise disciple. Thank you for going through this and helping me grow more in looking at the world through the lense of the Bible. I hope this comment might be encouraging to someone else to be more disciplined in looking at the world the way Christ wants us to.
Absolutely correct. It’s more like having our cake and realizing that Jesus has offered us a feast. We want to cling to our cake but if we give up our desire for the thing that’s sweet, but actually bad for us, Jesus will seat us at the table.
So glad you addressed this conversation, Nate. My husband and I watched the entire interview between Matt Fradd and Jordan Peterson in which Peterson communicates a lot of the same ideas. It left us both pretty frustrated but at the same time more informed of the angle in which Peterson approaches the concepts in the Word of God...an angle which seems to be void of the truth that God is a relational being who has given us a way out of our slavery to sin and death by means of the redemptive blood of His Son, Jesus Christ, our Savior. We cannot read the truths in the Bible, and then proclaim them while leaving out honor and loyalty to God. We cannot overcome our flaws/sin by "taking up our own cross" as Jesus did, as if Jesus was only just an example for us. Benefiting from the Logos of God and the things and ideas and patterns of life that HE has created while attempting to diminish or extract Him out of the equation sounds an AWFUL lot like the original sin in the garden. 😶 Just sayin.
Prayers for Dr. Peterson. I must say, in a sense, he did nail the center of the Chiasm, "on Earth as it is in Heaven" when he describes what our aims should be and the lives we should strive to live, albeit in what could also be agreed upon in secular terms, in which case we alone are incapable of. It's like recognizing the Bible is full of incredible wisdom but attributing the brilliance behind it purely to social evolution or something approximating that. I do agree with you and many of the commenters here, and am always saddened by the sense he's so close to the mark yet seems to be pushing back at the central truth. I have been praying for him to brought back to that same powerful humble place when we saw him brought to tears saying quite publicly, he actually believed the story of the gospel. There is a corollary in his struggles and many of ours, which should bring a great sense of humility. Congratulations to those who were, but not all of us, while perhaps pricked, were knocked over completely by the gospel the first time or even the second time we heard it. Further many of us strayed back into sin and doubt, only to then return as a prodigal, myself included. I've seen in the case of family and friends, that the same intellect many admire in Jordan can also serve as an opaque mask preventing one from seeing behind the veil he so often touches, to the reality behind it.
I agree with your statement. It’s a challenge to both under and overstate a problem but that seems to be Peterson’s MO. Sadly it appears that Peterson isn’t willing to give the glory or the credit to God who is working all things out in accordance to the good nature of his will (paraphrasing a bit). He is looking at scripture through a “man centered” lens so to speak.
I seem to be caught on why a study on the book of Romans isn't taught more often. It's literally Paul describing the nitty-gritty of admission of our sin and wholehearted obedience through faith to Jesus who payed the debt. As Paul Washer likes to hammer into every sermon, "When will you understand that he loves you? He loves you that much."
I'm new to the Faith...I don't know if I'm just reading with cynical eyes but I'm having alot of trouble with Paul...He almost seems like a false teacher...I'm dreading reading it for the fact that I keep getting more confused... Jesus teachings and Paul's seem to be two different things...I'm wondering if maybe I'm under spiritual attack...I'm praying but I've yet to hear anything...any thoughts?
Paul fell into doubting his ministry as well. He was a self-professed man of undeserved mercy. He got so troubled at one point he implored a meeting with the Apostles who had the first hand teachings of Jesus and needed to know from them what he was preaching was correct. Also calling himself the least of the Apostles. But after reading what he went through in Acts for his commanded mission... My faith wouldn't hold a candle.
@@jenniferclarke900 Galatians. Finally found it. Paul taught the gospel for three years then was finally acquainted with Peter. He stayed there in Jerusalem with him for fifteen days.
In the clip Peterson says, "What does it mean to aim up? In the final analysis, it means you have to align yourself with the spirit of God". Did you miss this? You give "aim up" a different definition and then argue with that definition. You said we are here to know God. He says we are here to align ourselves with God. Are those two really that different? Aim up = Clean your room, then Aim up = Clean up your life, then Aim up = Align yourself with God. Bear in mind that the question he was answering was, "Why shouldn't I live for the moment." He was not doing exegesis on the Sermon. He was using it answer the question.
“I wanted a delicious steak dinner but instead I got a Happy Meal.” That’s exactly how I felt when I saw JP live at his We Who Wrestle with God tour. So disappointed and I’m heartbreakingly sad for him. Jesus is a person he doesn’t know yet. He is not an archetype.
He is trying to reach a broader audience. He (JP) uses many different techniques and changes his style in order to reach the audience in front of him. If you are talking to children you change your style compared to teens, mature adults.
Good call! Business as usual for Peterson. He got paid 60 million from the daily wire. Is he feeding the poor? No. Is he taking social causes on with his money? No. It's all about the money. He is a false idol. I hope Christians don't fall for his lies. It looks like they are already, though. You just have to listen to how he promotes the killing of Palestine people to see what is in his heart. Murderous thoughts. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing. And he is absolutely delusional and deceiving himself like he deceives his followers. A dangerous con man.
It's good that he talks about Jesus & the bible because he's famous. At the same time he somehow always doesn't go to the heart of the Gospel...🤔 Maybe he is not born again I don't know but it's weird. Also I never heard people to press him into that. Maybe because he is always the "expert" in all the interviews. But..We can pray for him! Prayers can do a lot because God can do a lot.
Some people have come close, just never gone all the way. In the recent Pints with Aquinas episode it was very close, but he just avoids it completely in the end. Reminds me a lot of younger me. Went to church every other day and loved every bit of it, until I was faced with the true gospel and then I froze.
JP has been on my Highy Suspicious List for ages now.ever since he had a zion-picnic on Piers Morgan late last year.... strange coz we thought as a giant intellect he would not take sides but say some words to calm both sides. Instead he gloated.
he's human..Jordan makes mistakes..you guys are being so judgemental! he's God's child! he's just learning..ever thought of being supportive? instead of nitpicking..
@@Ricman78 he is on his own path. And turned many peoples lives around. Whether it was to God or just to do better in their lives. This kinda thing is the biggest turn off to any new Christians seeing this kinda treatment.
You don't have to take those things seriously. It's ABSOLUTELY about aiming up. In fact, there's no difference between what you're saying and what he's saying - they're just different ways of saying/thinking it through
Jordan Peterson is a new Christian AND an academic. Most of the things of the spirit cannot be understood (or taught) with just the brain, without the anointing. I tried listening to one of his Biblical teachings. It was as dry as dirt. I am used to the anointing, the Spirit of God, permeating teachings & the preaching of the Word. He needs our prayers. Perhaps he can touch some with his teaching. God can use anyone, of course. It just did not & could not work for me.
Jordan isn’t a Christian, yet. Praying he humbles and surrenders himself to Christ, confesses with his mouth, and gets baptized. Until that time, we will never know.
Peterson does one thing very well. He aims to redusce the 'mysticism' associated with religion in general and often uses Chistianity because it alone captures the struggles of life that everyone must face better than other religions. He once said the 'Logo' or Word is uniquely posistion to do this. He is speaking to an audiance that has been brianwashed to reject religion. They were explicitly taught there is nothing beneficial to gleen or gather from that way of thinking ie to seek meaming from stories. He strives to show that religious language strives to encode the most basic struggles of human exisitence. His undestanding of religion is closely interwoven with his knowledge in psychology often making and reducing religious links to life struggles in very insightful ways. His understanding of God rivals most because he sees the Word in converstaion with others through histoy, not just Abrahams seed. He even discerns where their biases clouded the true message that God intended to convey. He is in deep communion with 'THE TRUTH' and wants to convey the depth of that communion by describing it in striking simple and familiar ways. I pray that others see 'God's influence' with the depth and sofistication he does.
Well put. I'd put it even more simply: He breaks down the bible into secularly palletable concepts and language. This is why his teaching or grasp is incomplete, but it's also why he's most likely responsible for bringing the most people to Christ in the last 100 years.
You are right. God uses him. But you don't understand that all of it does not even lead people to Christ. If he does not adress the most crucial aspects. Be blrn acain. Forgive others to be forgiven. He talks about that life is to live out your purpouse and kill the dragon/the heroes journey...But esoteric people, human right activists, vegans, also some muslims are doing exactly this...And some of them who are conservative celebrate Jordan Peterson & promote him AND they don't konw Jesus. So what was the point? Jesus sayed that in the end people who cast out demons in Jesus name & healed the sick in his name...will go to hell. Because you can know a part of the truth. But only THE truth will set you free. So this video right here. This pastor right here is doing what apostle Paul advised us but even more what Jesus advised us. Put the plank out of your eye and only then you are allowed to judge (don't condemn) your brother. Because that's love. Paul also sayed that he is judging the people inside the church but not the unbelievers (because how could they understand). So you are essentially saying to a pastor that he should not instruct his maybe fellow saint.. so he could bear more fruit & could lead far more people to Christ. Which is by the way the duty of a pastor. To care about his fellow sheep. And which is the duty of all saints to go inside and see if we do sth. wrong. Like King David sayed to God. J. P. himself advises - to kill your inner dragon. So he even would wish to get christian advice...at least I believe so. Because I respect him.
James 2:19 ► New International Version You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder. New Living Translation You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this and they tremble in terror.
@@erbauungstutztaufgnade1875 thank you so much for your patience explaining this..but seeing someone that one respects start proving the bible is powerful..don't forget that pastors are human..and I respect this channel too..but I think he overstepped and used jordans name for views..Jordan is a fair man who is highly educated and has proven himself ..
Asking the right questions can steer the heart to humbleness. My brother Nate is right with his breakdown. We are here to know and out father and his son Jesus. Where blood is spilt with no justice, the land stays cursed with the blood. How much blood has been spilt in every land without justice? Are we not the salt of the earth? Be patient with intellectual men that know not their own hearts but rely on their own understandings. Be gentle with them as they walk in and do not shut the gates on them. We help carry eachothers burdens at times when we cam and if God wills it. Do not push them away with haste. Be welcoming as you are also welcomed in our fathers throne. Love them brothers and sisters. Be sons of light.
That is the problem with Psychology when we start interpreting the Scripture from a Psychological perspective and how everything relates to ourselves and our Psychology.
Why are people so affraid to say that he's not a Christian? He knows it, we know it. He's an idol. He's not a Christian. Just accept it. Pray for him. He's just a man.
Dr. JP wife just converted to catholic, that alone is a red flag!.... My understanding? Dr. JP lacks discernment. He needs our prayers and may the Holy Spirit lead him to the truth.
Hey brother, if you haven't already I would love to see your take on Dr. Jason Lisle and Dr. Hugh Ross debate. I'm watching it now and it's intriguing. Thanks, Russell
Could it be both? Once we are saved by Christ, we are not done. We now cooperate with the Holy Spirit to grow in faith and moral maturity. The latter doesn't save us but if the latter doesn't happen, we have good cause to question if the former has happened at all. We are saved to bring God glory. Are we doing that after we are saved? If not . . .
He isn't looking at through a repentant heart. He's getting there one small step at a time. Let's keep praying for him.
Jordan really isn't what he seems. I reveal some little known truth about him......
Than why is he more a improving force as a non Christian than the myriad of theological "experts?"
U really gonna blame the satanist media?
Dr. Jordan is searching out the scriptures. It's in his head, but I don't think it has reached his heart yet. I pray that our Heavenly Father draw him to Him, in Jesus' precious name!
Amen
I agree completely! He is 100% approaching this topic from an intellectual viewpoint, and while that may lead to something, he's missing the meat and potatoes.
He is lacking that child like faith that emanates from the heart.
Jordan really isn't what he seems. I reveal some truth about him......
I've been following Peterson for years and it's been a real joy to watch him on his journey. He is not there yet, but he's well on his way.
Actually Peterson is doing more as a non Christian than he could ever as a Christian.
Christian's are lazy and one dimensional.
Billy Graham once (or many times) said something like, "For many people Jesus is 12" inches away-the distance from the head to the heart." Jordan is a moralist. He admires Christ, but he loves Jung. He often quotes Jesus, but filters him through Jungian teachings. He knows nothing about being Born Again, regeneration is not a work of God, it is an act of the will. He's not almost saved, he's almost a liturgical religionist. He likes forms and symbols. He "sees through a glass darkly," but unless he repents he won't "see face to face." I love him and pray for him.
good Lord give Jordan a chance! why are people being so judgmental.. Jordan is learning..perhaps try guiding rather than being cynical and mean
@@tiggercampbell6198He literally ended his comment with love and prayers. That is not judgement. He was just being straightforward and honest with his analysis of Peterson, which was spot on.
This is true. He interprets everything through a Jungian lens. That's how worldview.
That's a VERY ACCURATE and grace filled observation of Jordan Peterson! Love the dude, he would be like the modern day Ben Franklin or Thomas Jefferson (who weren't real born again Christians) and he would helpful in the next American Revolution...but his head is sadly getting in the way of humbling himself and reading the New Testament as a supernatural document about our lostness as a human race that can't save ourselves by just "making our beds".
100% agree. Well said.
A mind like his is a gift and can sometimes seem like a curse. I pray that God reveals himself to him and to all of us in Jesus’ name.
Problem...He is a Noahide Laws kinda guy.
Like those who persecuted Christians at the very beginning after Jesus went to sit at the right hand of the Father.
You know the Christians will be persecuted by those who bring them to Synagogues.
And also it says, Those who say they are Jews but are the synagogue of satan.
Only one group fits that description.
The new testament and Jesus is a HUGE problem for them.
@Scribeintheink Things that make you go HHHMMM ???!!!??? I am sure it was probably misuse of words ? I Hope.
@ScribeintheinkDid he call himself a christian? I know this is the first time he even admits to anything.
God already did reveal himself to JP, and He was rejected. ruclips.net/video/Dhqme45Hpo4/видео.htmlsi=51JsVM6grO-8WSW_
@Scribeintheink Peterson is mentally unstable. He only turned to God because he was in a heap of full trouble. A lot of them do. He seems delusional. Psychologists are some of the most craziest people, along with psychiatrists, in the world. It isn't surprising. He broke under tremendous stress. He is now pretending to be Christlike to cope with his mental decline. We shouldn't follow Gurus or idols. Jesus is the way, not Peterson or any other person claiming to be some kind of leader of the people. Perhaps, turn to the Bible for guidance or the pastor. If you are so gullible to believe in a Guru like Peterson, then where is your faith in Christ? Have you not read up in the Bible about worshipping idols and their serpent-like tongue that lies so easily? There is only one way, and that is through Jesus. Peterson is a false idol. Plain and simple.
I’ve never thought of JP as being saved he has openly and clearly defined himself as “not quite there yet” the real danger here is in us Christians putting him up on a pedestal as some sort of ‘spokesperson for Christ’ because of his passionate following, “a form of godliness” …
I don't think he's there yet. I don't know if its a help or a hindrance that his wife became Catholic. They acknowledge that God healed her (which is how I think he got this far) but I'm not sure they know Jesus in the soul saving way yet.
and that's OK! let Jordan find the path to Jesus ..we all started in our own ways..
@@tiggercampbell6198 Sorry, can abide by this... Romans 10:14-15 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? and how shall they preach, except they be sent?". Has Dr. Peterson humbled himself and started listening to the Word preached by one in Christ? Seems he's trying to use human intellect to discern spiritual meanings. You are asking the blind to find his way.... I appreciate that he's searching scripture on his own, but he needs a guide....
For my own testimony, I heard the call one day. I just woke up and started Google searching for local churches. I started listening to a local church and my friend pointed me to a Church he had just got baptized in. I'm now under the care of a rare preacher and I thank the Lord for that..... None of the path was natural, it was all God... I just believed and submitted....
I would assert his wife becoming catholic that anti-christian/biblical religion of old would not be a good. And i'm not saying that lightly. Bible says by faith and grace in God alone and some more key points. If you take catholicism at face value according to the "official teachings" from the catholic cannon i'm anathema-ed because know the Bible teaches by faith and grace apart from work, for that i'm on my way to hell... So the problem with Mr. Peterson's wife becoming catholic if/when Mr Peterson might go for a relationship with Christ it will be the false one in Catholicism you think? This "MUST" is at the same level of John 3:3 "You must be born again... that would be John 4:24) God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” No matter how sincere one might believe a false Christ will only get one into hell. Kind of in line with Acts 17:30) Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, Repenting would include tearing down the false God as it would also go against:
Exo 20:1) Then God spoke all these words, saying,
2) “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3) “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4) “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
5) You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,
In the end God is a God of truth... Like He said "I am The way, The truth and the Life..." Also considering Rom 1, would assert all know God, for God has made it evident so that all men are without excuse...
Good call. No they don't know the way yet. Peterson is well known for his lying tongue.
@@dand4485 This hasn't been helped by his daughter's claim to now be a 'Christian.' She has some very strange ideas and philosophises much too often. She dances around the campfire too much.
Oddly enough, I came to a similar conclusion listening to his recent interview on Pints with Aquinas. It was Peterson who helped me at a time when I needed to be able to intellectualise the Bible, and this in turn helped bring me to Jesus, but listening to him now, it doesn't seem that he has the Gospel. Pray for him that God may reveal his Grace. Love what you do here, and God bless you 🙏 ❤
He did the exact same thing for me too. He actually got me to start reading the Bible with his biblical series on Genesis. This, in turn, brought me to Jesus. It's painful to listen to him pontificate about what the stories mean when he's completely missing out on the gospel.
Dont u see the irony, dingbat?
U need a secular thinker to intellectualize the supposedly true metaphysics? Shouldn't it have been an actual theologian? 🤔
He needs a brain transparent
Peterson understands the Psychology of the gospel, but doesn't yet have the experience of a personal relationship with Jesus
Yah, he doesn't have the faith. Its only intellectual
I would say this is incorrect because he has a wrong understanding of grace. I further your comment by saying that he is a disciple of Jungian psychology, and Jung was an occultist and a mystic. Peterson's major misstep, the thing He gets wrong is that Christianity is NOT based on the Christian but rather on the Father, through the Son, by the power of the Holy Spirit. He is viewing it as an endeavor of man instead of an endeavor of God. Part of me thinks it may be less a misstep and more his intent(just conjecture).
I don't think he understands much about the gospel, actually.
thing is that without a relationship with God through Christ, by definition he has not understood the gospel at all. "he who is spiritual judges all things, but he himself is judged of no man. for who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? but we have the mind of Christ" 1 Corinthians 2
@@JonathanVachon777 he doesn't even get it intellectually. He gets a few points out of it that are tertiary points, but misses the main points by a mile.
I think that it will click for JP one day, God willing. Love the guy, intellectual heavyweight, lots of respect. But yeah, he is missing that the Gospel is all about our hopeless sinfulness, God’s perfect righteousness, and our restored relationship with Him through the sacrifice of Christ.
It is simple, but it is tough to watch JP, because his intensity shows that he almost desperately wants to know God and to figure this out, but it is like he can’t figure it out because he is relying too much on his giant brain and tripping on it over and over.
The day that the Gospel clicks for him will be an awesome day. Praying for it.
Not necessarily. Nietszche admired the gospel and knew the world would be a mess without it. But he never had the faith.
Amen brother, my thoughts exactly. Have a blessed day
Huh! So this is what it looks like for Jesus to be a stumbling stone. I didn't understand that scripture in 1 Peter but I'm starting to get it now
What has been stated here . . . Reminds me of that Simon, the sorcerer who wanted to tithe to Philip & Peter, to buy the gifts of the Holy Spirit to enhance his mystical performance.
I do sincerely pray for this man . . . he was intellectually challenged to finally be humbled to see the logic of the scripture, on utube during covid in 2020 - since then he saw definite change in other celebrity personalities, interviewed with them, seeming what they have discovered that he has not . . . he is seeking & also acting out what he sees in those who have this, thinking he has succeeded in fooling us . . . HE TRULY DOES NEED OUR PRAYERS!!!
Perhaps we are not praying for the correct thing that he needs?
Nope. U just want a smart guy on ur team.....for once.
So many are being pulled in the wrong direction in every avenue of society. Until Peterson surrenders, he'll never truly understand. I pray he falls to his knees, cries out to Christ, and seeks an intimate relationship with his Creator.
Love your content! May God continue to bless your ministry abundantly! LOVE BOLDLY! ❤️✝️
Yes!
Yeah, you can see how close Peterson is to understanding, but until he actually surrenders to the reality of Jesus sacrifice, death and resurrection, that gulf is an infinite expanse.
@@jjkrayenhagenFacts. He is an example of a highly intelligent man who I definitely respect as many others do. However the wisdom of man is foolishness to God. As close as Jordan is. He is still lightyears away from a true understanding of scripture and won’t get there until he surrenders his life to Christ. Because without revelation of the Holy Spirit a person can read the Bible front to back 1000 times and you still will never truly understand God’s meaning. And without being saved you simply cannot receive the Holy Spirit. This is why the Bible should NEVER be taught by someone who is not a TRUE Christian
Jordan Peterson reads into what he thinks the Bible is saying and kinda makes it like a self help guide. He needs the Bible to speak for it's self because the Bible is the word of God and it tells us of our fall and God's redemption for man kind and it can help us live a better life in Christ.
@@bindum2061 Yes, the Bible teaches us how we can never truly live a better life and thus need Jesus.
Nate, I understand your frustration, but it's not as though Jordan Peterson has made a proclamation for Christ. My wife always says, why do we get frustrated when lost people act like lost people. No matter how brilliant he is from an earthly perspective, let's not forget that it pleases God to confound the wise! Jordan has such a huge platform we all wish that God would move on his heart. Imagine the impact a man like that could have with the true and living God inside of him! I pray that everyone who follows you would pray for his salvation...to God be the glory.
Yo Nate you’ve been absolutely killin it with the content recently and your insight into each of these subjects has been really helpful… but these debate reviews tho👀 there’s been a lot of really good ones recently that many of us would love to hear your insight on those as well
I keep praying for him
"You say you are not blind so therefore you are still in your sin." Applies To Mr Peterson.
So many people pray for famous people? I think the devil is using this as a distraction
Can you put in a word for his dress sense ?
@@artyismybaepraying for another person to be saved is always the work of God
This channel is properly named. I love the way you teach, enlighten and break things down. Every idea and point refers back to scripture, as it should. Thank God for blessing you with this skill set that you obediently share with us and may God continue you fill you with wisdom and understanding.
It's become clear , as time passes , that Jordan Peterson does not know Christ as his Saviour . The big problem has been that because he is very glib and intelligent people have mistakenly thought that he (Peterson) was , automatically , wise in all matters , including the Bible . There is no glimmer of Holy Spirit derived knowledge of God in any of Peterson's answers to spiritually based questions . My constant prayer is for his salvation .
The way I see it....Peterson doesnt need Christ. Look at the good he's doing without him.
And how many "theologians" are there? 🤔
daniel: Thank you for stating this clearly. Peterson is just psycho babble. There are clips here on RUclips where he is explicitly asked if he believes in God, Christ, and the resurrection. These questions can be answered with one word: yes or no. Instead JP babbles on for 10 minutes trying to be intellectual, but he never ever answers these 3 questions. And people are so taken with this man! Peterson has never ever quoted a single scripture, never confessed the gospels on air, and yet people are hanging on his every word. What exactly does he believe. If he believes so heavenly and he has such a media presence--why isn´t he proclaiming the Good News. Instead, he just spews psycho babble!
@@rrickarrI would have to look for it, but he has made a definitive answer and the last year to that question, which IIRC he said he does believe.
I actually liked his old answer which was that it was such a deeply personal question that he didn’t want to reveal that answer. Which I can also understand.
Dr. Peterson has a wonderful heart. He attempts to do what so many pastors in their preaching do not. That is, make the "right-living" teachings of scripture relatable so we can apply it at a practical level. He is, after all, a clinical psychologist. That's what he does, help people sort out their lives. That is all to be commended, but what he leaves out is the foundation; knowing God. Dr. Peterson places the burden of turning one's life around entirely on self, and the Holy Spirit is left out of the picture. He has stated that he's no longer an atheist, but I'm not yet convinced he even believes in anything spiritual beyond God's existence. The mysteries of God's word are spiritually discerned, and Dr. Peterson seems to rely entirely on his intellect. He has plenty of practical wisdom for helping people get their act together and live something of a decent life, but none of that will point people to Christ. I pray the Lord opens his eyes.
I think you were expecting a little too much from Jordan Peterson.
Even tho he often has brilliant insights that even Christians can learn from, he is after all a secular scholar trying to understand spiritual things from a secular point of view.
May God not be found from a secular standpoint? If reality is by his design, how is science not observing God's intention? The worlds greatest scientists have always been theistic for this reason.
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God may certainly be _found_ from a secular standpoint, but many of His ways may not be _understood_ from a secular standpoint.
@@nicks5438 Knowing God exists by studying science is NOT the same thing as understanding God or His ways from a secular perspective. Paul says so himself that it is literally impossible for someone who doesn't have God's Spirit to understand Him: "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, *but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God* (1 Cor. 2:12)."
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 I get your point and value your take on this. Still, I question what it means to have the "spirit". A "secular" approach can be viewed with an atheistic or a theistic perspective. As the choice of perspective itself is a non-secular decision, I'd say that is what determines faith or lack thereof. Basically I just think people are being way too harsh on Peterson's approach. I believe it's an underserved Christian perspective.
@@Crich_Leslie What do you believe it means to understand God's ways?
Dr. Peterson is a brilliant and gifted man. I appreciate how he encourages/challenges people to learn how to think deeply and critically. That’s important.
That said, it saddens me that he misses Christ. Spend any time going through his series on Exodus. You’ll see that he isn’t reading the Scriptures through the lens of Christ - which is ultimately the basis of good hermeneutics. Dr. Peterson values God’s Word. But that isn’t the same as loving and submitting to Christ’s lordship.
Everything Jesus said is soul important!
Peterson is brilliant, but he doesn't fear the Lord. I pray he will come to know the Jesus that saves. Thank you for this podcast. It really makes us think about our own salvation. Praying for your ministry.
I'm curious did this video help you? I have been a Christian for a long time and I hated this video. I don't know who this guy is or what he teaches but based on this video I'd be embarrassed if he was my Pastor. Maybe he does a better job in his other videos. For me, he criticizes Jordan, who's a young Christian and still trying to in the public eye sort all this out. Second, this guy is frantic "We're dealing with some serious stuff here" like get a grip. As if the LORD is running around panicking where everyone is at. Have some faith in the LORD and His work in people's lives. He also seems to have bought into the whole religion of morality "This is about moral obligation" NO it's not. Morality is the antithesis of Jesus. Morality has never and will never save anyone. As people both Christians and non-Christians, we like to first define morality and then convince ourselves we are moral to feed our egos.
Morality is a roadblock to Jesus not a path to Jesus. Morality is an illusion and a deception that the self-righteous buy into.
I expect when I listen to Jordan about the Bible that he's going to get it wrong because he's very young spiritually trying to understand it. However, when a channel is called "The Wise Disciple" critiquing Jordan I expect both wisdom and grace in knowing Jordan's spiritually young. I saw neither.
My comment in the general section wasn't so much on the video but to create a biblical foundation that was lacking.
The Sermon on the Mount which isn't even understood by many Christians is about basically the rules of heaven, of His Kingdom. It's not morality-based, it's spiritually based.
Matthew 5:3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Now many think we just need to be poor in Spirit, or meek, or live modest, or whatever.
But Scripture tells us Romans 3:9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
10 As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;..."
The delusion of morality is that if we are just more moral than maybe we can get to heaven. Our sins are not what keeps us out of Heaven. We can't just be more moral.
1 Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Ss long as you and I are human we cannot enter Heaven, EVER. So what has Jesus done? Well, He says for us to put our trust in Him to save us. the moment we do we are Born again. Our dead Spirit is made alive. Now when we die our soul goes to Heaven and our bodies stay in the ground.
2 Cor 5:6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
No matter how moral or immoral you are as long as you're flesh and blood you will not enter Heaven. You either have Jesus or you don't.
Having Jesus means your soul is saved and will go to heaven and on resurrection day we will be given new immortal bodies 1 Cor 15"50-57.
This is why we are a new creation. We are neither dead to sin like humans nor divine like angels. We are a mixed breed and we are at war within ourselves daily.
Romans 7 and this is why 2 Cor 12 says :9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Because His grace is sufficient while we are here while we seem to live for the LORD one second and ourselves or the world the next.
It used to be understood you either have Jesus or you don't. So let's share the Gospel. Then help them grow to share the Gospel. To understand the young in the faith will waiver, adopt incorrect theology, struggle with stuff, past life, addictions, on fire for the LORD one day, back in the bars the next. Our job as mature Christians was to help walk with them and help them grow. To trust the LORD as Phillippians 1 says 6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;
and trusting the LORD's work in their lives. His timing, His pace, but not today. Maybe I'm too critical but it was both sad and infuriating for me to watch the video. I'm curious as to your thoughts.
“I act as if god exists and I’m terrified that he does” - Jordan Peterson
Why should he fear Yahweh?
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Yahweh is an asshole
Jordan may be too scared of God.
I think that analysis like this for Jordan Peterson is time very well spent. He is so phenomenally smart and has a lot of good insights, but everything that he does unfortunately just falls short because he just won't engage with the Bible as a believer. He is super good at understanding human nature from a psychological standpoint, especially from the standpoint of understanding human nature from the stories that resonate with truth of human nature. The unfortunate limitation though is that that is as far as his biblical understanding goes. He treats it like meaningful stories rather than revelation from God.
If I had to pick a verse to summarize the Sermon on the Mount, it would be Matthew 5:16, "In the same way, let your good deeds shine out for all to see, so that everyone will praise your heavenly Father. "
Peterson allows his intellect to get in the way of true understanding that he confuses the fear of God for a psychological blueprint or pattern and never gets to the spiritual meat of the gospel substance. He still sees it as humanistic derivative insight of the mind. A relationship with God is so much more than just that… he’s trying I guess, And I believe God is working with him but he needs to let go of psychology and open both his heart and mind to what God wants for him.
I always found it sad when people dont want to become a Christian because they don't want to suffer. But they dont realize they suffer already, not being a Christian, and actually prosper and endure as one
True, though some may suffer more as a Christian than not. Remember that Satan is the god of this world.
@colinpierre3441 it's pretty much guaranteed to be a Christian. Becoming christ like means you suffer a little when you see others not having a relationship with God. Like Paul told Timothy, you have to endure to bring those to Christ
@@one8s7n Correct... and I suppose many are just not up for that suffering.
All good things in my life have increased since I began truly following Jesus.
Dr. Peterson is on a journey...he has come a very long way as far as faith goes over the past 10 years!
What does he need faith for, when he's figuring out things by himself?
Why does he need to blather on the air. Why can´t he go away and be silent and in prayer. How can he possibly hear the voice of God if he has it all figured out!!!!
@@whynot1548faith just means trust, you either trust God or you trust something else
Thank you kind sir. It was my suffering and me realizing ihave sinned that makes me in need of a savior. I want to and am repenting. I want God to be proud of me.
Sermon on the mount is to show us the standard that Jesus sets which we cannot obtain thus our need for a savior!
Always learning but never coming the Truth, God's truth.
It's a good thing Jordan was analyzing these stories in a literary psychological way, not a biblical way. Before he was willing to admit he believed in God, Jordan still said the bible was a good book to read because it had so much to teach about life.
Go to your preachers and teachers for lessons about God. Go to Jordan for phycology
Seriously. I find it disappointing to see so much criticism when Peterson is clearly speaking about the Bible in a language that secularists can relate to. I was one of those secularists not too long ago and he was one of the main influences that allowed me to come to Christ.
Peterson is uniquely capable of bringing people so far gone from the path that they have lost all sight of it, back into the paths direction. Is he perfectly on path and bringing those people back onto solid ground? No. But he is pulling orders of magnitude more people than any preacher alive today. People who were so far gone into secularism and atheism that no pastor or priest could ever appeal to.
God is truly working through Peterson, even if his message is imperfect.
@darkentity I agree. Most importantly, we must recognize what purpose his words serve, and at that moment, their purpose is aimed at the person in front of him, just like this video is aimed at us. We are a very different audience, operating at a very different level of understanding. To make conclusion about the insight a teacher has in a subject, from how he speaks to a child, is silly, when we have not heard him speak to a peer. Just like it would be silly to judge children's understanding by the standards of adults. Not to say, there are always new things we can learn from even the simplest of observations, if we just keep our heart open to receive it.
Yeah when he said “spirit of adventure” that threw me off a little as well, Pray for Everyone🙏🏽
Funny enough Jordan has helped me quite a lot in my spiritual journey. I was already a Christian when I started listening to him. His view of the Bible offered a different lense of the Bible. Combining what I knew and his teachings took me to another level. Not every teacher who teaches the word of God is the same. God can still be glorified in the teachings if Dr Peterson.
WOW!!!! I feel very sorry for you if what have written is true,
Excellent take on this brother. I couldn’t agree more on your analysis of Peterson’s perspective. And that was a very clear explanation of the real point of the sermon on the mount. Peterson was a big part of me coming back to realize the truth in the faith I was taught as a child. Thank the Lord, He has sent His workers to guide me to the true gospel of Christ and His sacrifice, not mine. I hope Jordan stops dancing around admitting his sin and puts his full trust in the atoning work of the cross which our savior shed His blood to preserve.
I’m so glad this video was made because I just went to see Jordan Peterson in my area last week for his we who wrestle with God tour…And I remember thinking after it was over “I wanna know what Nate thinks about this man’s teaching because Dr Peterson has great insight and his voice is no doubt influential, but is it actually biblical?”
I love JP, he was influential in me coming to know Christ, as he made me think about God seriously for the first time in my life.
That being said, the man will absolutely ignore the text when it suits his desires.
Example: when discussing Jonah, Peterson describes Jonah's impetus to disobey God as a fear of the Ninevites. This fits into his worldview quite nicely.
Anyone who reads the text, however, can see quite clearly that Jonah rejects the instruction of God due to hatred.
It is true that Jonah being motivated by fear is a common misconception amongst those who are not very biblically literate.
However, I expect a man as intelligent, thoughtful, and supposedly dedicated to truth as JP to not make such mistakes when they are so clearly laid out in the text of scripture.
Insight isn't required to learn the Bible, rather humility is. It's harder for persons with great wealth and power to exercise humility.
Is your understanding actually biblical? I mean, you get it from youtube.
@@briggy4359 And what exactly do you suppose drives this irrational hatred of the Ninevites, you comically arrogant fool?
@@Digitalsapien why do you think they derive their view of the Bible from RUclips?
I was blessed by this video as it touched on so many issues that I'm currently looking into. I really enjoyed it and I will be joining your patreon
He's analyzing the bible like they are folk lore stories. Like he's Joseph Campbell breaking down Little Red Riding Hood.
His Exodus series is fantastic. ! It blew me Away
Look up Jonathan Pagueau. He breaks down the Symbolism in the Bible. Which is why Jesus Spoke in Parables.
It gave me DEEP understanding of what The Bible was saying. It is literal, of course, but it is also a Story . His Story
@@Tonyvillanueva94 Wrong. Christ told the disciples that He spoke in parables so ppl WOULDN'T understand what He was teaching. He clearly told the disciples that the Father DIDN'T want the ppl who weren't called to understand the gospel, and so many "Christians" today don't either. Read it for yourself: "it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, *but to them it has not been given* (Matt. 13:11)."
Yeah, because he's a Jungian gnostic.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Yes exactly. The Bible is full of Symbolism, and people dont understand what it means for the exact same reason. Seeing they do not see. Hearing they do not hear.
@@briggy4359 Also he clearly said hes not a Gnostic
Well said about the image of God on earth theme around the sermon on the mount.
Peterson is so focused on seeing through the wisdom of the ages that he completely ignores the things right in front of his face.
He likes the idea of God for the good of society. But he cannot let his intellectual self believe. It is a shame he's missing out on the peace in knowing Jesus is Lord. The gifts he has are from above but he is unwilling to connect the dots.
😂😂😂...."I wanted a steak dinner but instead I got a happy meal". When are we going to stop equating great thinking with actually knowing Jesus Christ? Smh
It's every bit an intellectual endeavor as it is one of the heart.
@paulperez6167 absolutely no issues with "intellectual endeavors" in regards to scripture. It's when the exaltation of men over the scriptures perspective is when it becomes dangerous. For example, this clip of Jordan Peterson quoting Jesus is a prime example of someone who is absolutely brilliant in regard to worldly things but ignorant in regard to scripture.
Thank you for this video pastor Nate, I’ve been fighting confusion about Jordan Peterson and his teachings on the Word for a little while. This has cleared some things up and has put my mind and soul to rest!
But be careful. The Koran has a teaching of Jesus as well. It only takes a miniscule amount of poison (false teaching) to damn a soul for eternity.
You made Dr. Peterson’s point for him. “On earth (here & now… aka: the present) as it is in heaven” (the kingdom of God, the highest moral good). So, aim at the highest good and live in the present.
Peterson's explanations are simply secular translations that make the central themes palletable to agnostics and atheists. Aim high = a baby step pointing you to realize there are things better than others. Then from there, you get to the ultimate good. = Aim to please God.
Tell an atheist or a secularist that Jesus is the ultimate good and you should serve him and aim to please... See how many you convert and bring to Christ...
I think this whole video completely misses the mark regarding what role Peterson plays in the current Christian revival. He's probably responsible for more people turning to Christ than all popes of my lifetime combined! He provides a great opportunity for people like Nate to then come in and bring these now receptive hearts closer to the true word of God.
Ironic how often these evangelists whore themselves out for personal plugs and sponsors, begs for subscribers and likes then passes quick judgement on another individual. All while making their relationship with God public instead of personal. Blind instantaneous contradiction...never ceases to amaze me.
@@darkentityYou can argue he's brought more folks into the name of Christianity, but claiming he's made more Christians is as false as claiming Osteen has made more Christians.
Your error here is that said statement is asking the Father to bring his kingdom. It has nothing to do with us aiming higher while we live in the present. The NT is about being born-again, not aiming anywhere as if righteousness is a product of human will.
Moreover, the Sermon on the Mount starts with the Beautitudes, which describe the sufferings will endure if we're born-again, so the starting context is about being born-again (a miraculous state of being), not aiming anywhere.
The repeat message of the NT is that YHWH comes to us.
@@blanktrigger8863 are people attending the church of Peterson?
No. They are becoming christians and going to local churches where they hear the true gospel. Your comparison is completely off and your point is moot.
Nate, I've been blessed by what you do and thank God for you. Please explain the sign/logo figure 8 with wings???
He just delights in “psycholog-izing” everything into its abstract themes instead of actually digging into the history. Yes, it’s interesting to explore why Cain said this and why Jesus did that, but to be so enamored with all of it and seemingly totally uninterested in the historical truth of it is crazy
From his perspective it doesn’t matter if it actually happened, because the truth within the story is more important to him and to a growing disinterest in God, it is important to get the message out to others in a way they can accept it. If you paint the story in a God says sort of way you lose any chance of reaching atheists.
@@SaltyCorpsman See, I was initially more patient with his approach for this exact reason, but I don't think you can intellectually straddle this fence because presupposing that it is probably not true *removes* the truth behind it and takes all the steam and conviction out of his moralizing.
What I mean is, if there is no God, then none of this is "true" anyway. Moral relativism reigns, the mindless universe cares 0% if we live or die, and we're all just playing dress-up
JP really helped to pull me out of atheism and I’ll always be grateful to him for that.
Jesus is lord. 🙏🏽I can see that he is trying so hard to find christ in his heart. but i don’t know. maybe he needs to just surrender or something.
He is trying to understand the things of God the way he understands a Psychology textbook. The things of the Spirit do not work that way. 😀
he needs to close his swiss bank account
No, he needs the simplicity of the gospel
@@epilepticwelder He'll say anything to expand it. Watch him start crying again if things start to tank. I won't watch it. Hope you don't.
@@tatie7604 i dont have much else to do but eat popcorn, watch the collapse and wait for my apartment to go
I really appreciate what you're doing for the kingdom of God pastor, you've been a big blessing for me and helping me grow in my walk with Jesus Christ. God bless you pastor
Two things can be true: he is a powerful thinker in the psychological realm. He has less than a newbie Christian understanding of Jesus.
So true brother..
Or maybe he understands Christ a lot more than u think u do.
He's not in the Culty Bubble that is the Church.
...and your the guy who has an expert view of jesus to make that judgement?
@@theidentitychristispodcastHe never said that.
@@umbraldragon111 He didn't have to
I would have liked to see you breakdown what he told Shawn about "belief in God" and then saying "You're going to go through every thing exactly like Jesus did" that one really confused Shawn, this was later in the interview.
I remember an interview where Peterson was in tears with the gravity of what it means to know God, and now he's turning out these trite Joel Osteen platitudes. It's weird to watch someone's life through the window of social media. He needs our prayers.
I noticed the same.
Spot on.
Yup, I saw that too & was delighted.
Then saw Tucker Carlson & now Russel Brand - interesting that he is "hanging" with these other 'new' Christian celebrities, wondering what they got & what he is missing!!!
Yet, if you watch all the clips when he is explicitly asked if he believes in God, Christ, or the resurrection---he never ever explicitly answers the questions. He rambles on for 10 minutes in a bunch of psycho babble. Much great analysis and discernment is needed.
@@rrickarr yeah. Hegel was like that too. Hard to nail down
I am really surprised so many Christians are trusting what this man says.
I’ve watched a few Wise Disciple videos now and I just subscribed! Thank you for your purposeful content.
Nate, Peterson largely deals with the Bible on a psychological level, which is not truly wrestling with God at all IMO. Jordan views the Bible as useful to humanity as it is a transcendent story that speaks correctly to the human condition, but he doesn't really think theologically about it all. But it is spot on to correct his misunderstandings about it.
Which is how I initially came to Christ. Pray for him. He'll get there, hopefully.
My brothers and I went to see Dr. Peterson’s lecture. This is the exact sentiment we came away with, just massively disappointed in his surface level takes on the Bible. Yet another excellent breakdown, Pastor Nate. Your explanation on the structure of the Sermon on the Mount was something I haven’t come across before and was quite enriching.
Amen. SPend some time with the many clips where JP is asked if he believes in Christ, God, the resurrection---and he bables on for 10 minutes with intellectual psychoBABBLE and he never ever answers which should be a simple one-word answer: yea or nea!!!! And then he takes up time on the internet spewing this nonsense. If he wants to be a Christian, he needs to go away in silence and pray and then receive proper instruction.
*comes in, turns on light, sits on couch, gets popcorn*
Great video and analysis, God bless you
Dr Peterson is wise in worldly wisdom. " The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written." I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent". 1 Corinthians: 18-25. Unless a man is born again of the Spirit of God he cannot see the Kingdom of God. Dr Jordan Peterson is using his wisdom and understanding to interpret the word of God. A very serious thing to do. "Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God." He really needs to be challenged by true believers. He is trying to enter the narrow gate to salvation through his own endeavours. Essentially without surrender to Jesus Christ the Lord.
I like 1 Cor. 3:19!
Kudos for addressing this. I've been following you for a while & was so happy when you did the Dr. James White interview because I knew it was really going to give you/your channel the exposure that's deserved. And now that your audience has grown it's great that you're calling out false/incorrect teachings & claims. I'd like to see more of your debate reaction vids too.
Aim up = focus on God’s Promise for future blessings.
Live in the present = properly placing value on your struggles based on those same promises.
I know it sounds like self help guru stuff, but the theology is in there.
It’s like JP doesn’t see that salvation is necessary. I get that he see that Christianity and the Bible is a HUGE thing as he says it all the time but it like at most he sees it as important but for some reason he doesn’t see that it is absolutely mandatory. It’s like someone needs to tell him that part of it.
I am often disappointing anytime JP talks about scripture or Christianity. It’s almost like he refuses to believe in the clear teachings of the Bible, but he does believe that it is a net good in the world. So he tries to reinterpret God’s Word using his own psychoanalysis bent.
Thank you for speaking straight and not holding back. Watching him interviewed on some other channels, I see people feel intimidated at correcting him. I think people have shown him enough grace and patience. “Aiming up” and “aligning with the good,” etc is moralistic and pragmatically therapeutic. He misses the point of the message because he doesn’t express anything about the relationship of law and gospel, and the necessity of a propitiatory sacrifice. I saw a clipped video of him on Pints with Aquinas, and there he said that the faith is “not propositional truth.” Later he seems to say it is true in a historical sense, but he muddies things with saying things that are false or emphasizing things that should not be emphasized. Thanks for interacting with this.
Oh just wait until you see the Pints with Aquinas episode with JBP. It almost got me mad by the end of it. He has a deep misunderstanding of God himself as the basis of everything he does these days.
In my estimation, for those who have heard and accepted the gospel message, Dr. Peterson adds a brilliant and fascinating take on many stories found in scripture that Christians can discern their way through.
Frankly I love listening to the guy! That said, I completely understand how his teachings on scripture can be confusing or incomplete for those who are unaware or still seeking.
St. Paul in his letter to the Corinthians sums it up. "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith...Think of it this way. If Christ didn't die (on our behalf) and actually (physically) resurrect, Peterson nailed it. As Christians, however, we know there is much more to the story.
Thank you for making this video and clearing this up for us! May God’s will be done on earth as it is in heaven!
Not everything has to be uncovered. We just need to ask forgiveness for our sins and the sins of those who have trespassed against us and move the heck on. He did say, go and sin no more, He didnt say sit down w a psychiatrist and figure it all out. God brings healing that "uncovering" will never fix. Many times a step of faith in the right direction and doing the hard thing no matter how we feel, is what brings the healing. Many times we have to forgive ourselves more than anyone or anything. God is so beautiful and kind to love us. more than we deserve. Accepting that love and forgiveness brings the healing.
Here's something people really need to consider. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable and it's a fine line when someone refers to themselves as God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Picture a person standing in the presence of God and explaining why they referred to themselves as Mary, Jesus, God, John the Baptist, John the revelator, apostles, the mother of John the Baptist, etc. I for one will not be standing beside them. Imagine what it's gonna be like when they come face to face with the real Heavenly righteous ones in Heaven that were from the day's of old. What account will they give, what excuse will they have other then they did it to lead people to hell. What a shame.........
Nope. Out of context. Apart from its story. And total crap
Enjoying the video, though I wanted to point out, Peterson isn’t a Christian. He’s danced around it with words, but if you listen to him, as in this video, his whole hope is to give people a way to function and in a Jung way wants them to tap into the stories that will make them a better husband and better father a better mother and so on… but he never speaks about Christ Jesus and his saving act upon the cross. Who does the spirit declare and speak of, Jesus, those who are born of the spirit are spirit, those who are born of the flesh flesh.
Love your videos brother! Keep it up! May our King and Lord bless you and use you for his eternal purpose!
If there’s any confusion if what I said, to summarize, I felt the video posed him as a Christian dancing around the truth that he just doesn’t seem to what to speak.
Dr. Jordan is speaking to both believers and non believers. he said, "looking up means to align yourself with the Spirit of God." this is for the believer.
Then he said, "if you want to bring it down to earth, (practicality) you can aim to improve on yourself as an upward aim." this is for the non believer.
if JP speaks only using Christian terms, everything he says will fall on deaf ears. So rather than allowing that to happen, he decides to come to where the non believers are and speak in a way that they understand. (Sound like Christ to me.)
Arxy: NO!!!! JP uses Biblical terms without ever defining them. He says, "God makes Abraham a deal." Sounds nice. His interpretation of the great deal is that you, Abe, will be made famous for generations. He does not explain anything Biblical at all!!!!
My paraphrase of what JP tried to say at the beginning: Aim to align yourself to the spirit of God and act accordingly
Trent v Pearl next?
😂 I was waiting for that
Thank you for doing this video! I listened to this clip but didn't listen and discern what Peterson was actually saying like I should be as a wise disciple. Thank you for going through this and helping me grow more in looking at the world through the lense of the Bible. I hope this comment might be encouraging to someone else to be more disciplined in looking at the world the way Christ wants us to.
Have your cake and eat it too is the exact the opposite of what it's about.
Absolutely correct. It’s more like having our cake and realizing that Jesus has offered us a feast. We want to cling to our cake but if we give up our desire for the thing that’s sweet, but actually bad for us, Jesus will seat us at the table.
So glad you addressed this conversation, Nate. My husband and I watched the entire interview between Matt Fradd and Jordan Peterson in which Peterson communicates a lot of the same ideas. It left us both pretty frustrated but at the same time more informed of the angle in which Peterson approaches the concepts in the Word of God...an angle which seems to be void of the truth that God is a relational being who has given us a way out of our slavery to sin and death by means of the redemptive blood of His Son, Jesus Christ, our Savior. We cannot read the truths in the Bible, and then proclaim them while leaving out honor and loyalty to God. We cannot overcome our flaws/sin by "taking up our own cross" as Jesus did, as if Jesus was only just an example for us. Benefiting from the Logos of God and the things and ideas and patterns of life that HE has created while attempting to diminish or extract Him out of the equation sounds an AWFUL lot like the original sin in the garden. 😶 Just sayin.
Prayers for Dr. Peterson. I must say, in a sense, he did nail the center of the Chiasm, "on Earth as it is in Heaven" when he describes what our aims should be and the lives we should strive to live, albeit in what could also be agreed upon in secular terms, in which case we alone are incapable of. It's like recognizing the Bible is full of incredible wisdom but attributing the brilliance behind it purely to social evolution or something approximating that. I do agree with you and many of the commenters here, and am always saddened by the sense he's so close to the mark yet seems to be pushing back at the central truth. I have been praying for him to brought back to that same powerful humble place when we saw him brought to tears saying quite publicly, he actually believed the story of the gospel. There is a corollary in his struggles and many of ours, which should bring a great sense of humility. Congratulations to those who were, but not all of us, while perhaps pricked, were knocked over completely by the gospel the first time or even the second time we heard it. Further many of us strayed back into sin and doubt, only to then return as a prodigal, myself included. I've seen in the case of family and friends, that the same intellect many admire in Jordan can also serve as an opaque mask preventing one from seeing behind the veil he so often touches, to the reality behind it.
Peterson talks a lot but he really doesn’t say anything.
100%
I think Peterson simultaneously over- and under-complicated this. A question I ask myself often is “will this matter in light of eternity?”
I agree with your statement. It’s a challenge to both under and overstate a problem but that seems to be Peterson’s MO. Sadly it appears that Peterson isn’t willing to give the glory or the credit to God who is working all things out in accordance to the good nature of his will (paraphrasing a bit). He is looking at scripture through a “man centered” lens so to speak.
I seem to be caught on why a study on the book of Romans isn't taught more often. It's literally Paul describing the nitty-gritty of admission of our sin and wholehearted obedience through faith to Jesus who payed the debt. As Paul Washer likes to hammer into every sermon, "When will you understand that he loves you? He loves you that much."
I'm new to the Faith...I don't know if I'm just reading with cynical eyes but I'm having alot of trouble with Paul...He almost seems like a false teacher...I'm dreading reading it for the fact that I keep getting more confused... Jesus teachings and Paul's seem to be two different things...I'm wondering if maybe I'm under spiritual attack...I'm praying but I've yet to hear anything...any thoughts?
Paul fell into doubting his ministry as well. He was a self-professed man of undeserved mercy. He got so troubled at one point he implored a meeting with the Apostles who had the first hand teachings of Jesus and needed to know from them what he was preaching was correct. Also calling himself the least of the Apostles. But after reading what he went through in Acts for his commanded mission... My faith wouldn't hold a candle.
@@sneekydangerous Do you know where I can find this? What book does he implore a meeting? I hate this scepticism but I can't shake it...
@@jenniferclarke900 Galatians. Finally found it. Paul taught the gospel for three years then was finally acquainted with Peter. He stayed there in Jerusalem with him for fifteen days.
@@sneekydangerous Thank you. May God bless you 🙏
I appreciate your insightful comments .
I dont think Jordan is wrong, i think he’s talking about a different layer of meaning
In the clip Peterson says, "What does it mean to aim up? In the final analysis, it means you have to align yourself with the spirit of God". Did you miss this? You give "aim up" a different definition and then argue with that definition. You said we are here to know God. He says we are here to align ourselves with God. Are those two really that different? Aim up = Clean your room, then Aim up = Clean up your life, then Aim up = Align yourself with God. Bear in mind that the question he was answering was, "Why shouldn't I live for the moment." He was not doing exegesis on the Sermon. He was using it answer the question.
Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and they exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible mankind
“I wanted a delicious steak dinner but instead I got a Happy Meal.” That’s exactly how I felt when I saw JP live at his We Who Wrestle with God tour. So disappointed and I’m heartbreakingly sad for him. Jesus is a person he doesn’t know yet. He is not an archetype.
He is trying to reach a broader audience. He (JP) uses many different techniques and changes his style in order to reach the audience in front of him.
If you are talking to children you change your style compared to teens, mature adults.
Good call! Business as usual for Peterson. He got paid 60 million from the daily wire. Is he feeding the poor? No. Is he taking social causes on with his money? No. It's all about the money. He is a false idol. I hope Christians don't fall for his lies. It looks like they are already, though. You just have to listen to how he promotes the killing of Palestine people to see what is in his heart. Murderous thoughts. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing. And he is absolutely delusional and deceiving himself like he deceives his followers. A dangerous con man.
So good Nate!!
It's good that he talks about Jesus & the bible because he's famous. At the same time he somehow always doesn't go to the heart of the Gospel...🤔 Maybe he is not born again I don't know but it's weird. Also I never heard people to press him into that. Maybe because he is always the "expert" in all the interviews. But..We can pray for him! Prayers can do a lot because God can do a lot.
Some people have come close, just never gone all the way. In the recent Pints with Aquinas episode it was very close, but he just avoids it completely in the end. Reminds me a lot of younger me. Went to church every other day and loved every bit of it, until I was faced with the true gospel and then I froze.
He's not a Christian, no. He's never claimed to be and asserts the opposite.
@@adriflux7704What is the true Gospel?
Abraham, if you do these things: you will live forever in paradise..Not adventure..It's for God, not self..
JP has been on my Highy Suspicious List for ages now.ever since he had a zion-picnic on Piers Morgan late last year.... strange coz we thought as a giant intellect he would not take sides but say some words to calm both sides. Instead he gloated.
he's human..Jordan makes mistakes..you guys are being so judgemental! he's God's child! he's just learning..ever thought of being supportive? instead of nitpicking..
Mhmm. I was really saddened to see that because it wasn't truthful and he's seemed to stand for that. We all have blind spots though.
'Doing good' and 'being moral and righteousness' are not per se the same things. 'Good' can be subjective and contextual; 'moral' is of God.
i think there is something going on with Peterson during this interview. his eyes look funny to me.
I agree with you. I actually watched this video on a different channel but I thought there was something off with him..
I really wish i would have had a guy like you around when i was younger. I finally had to sub. Thank you. God bless
Kinda funny and sad how many judgemental "Christians" are here in the comments. Hating.
? I don't see hate. A lot of people here want JP to come to the truth and put saving faith in Jesus.
@@Ricman78 he is on his own path. And turned many peoples lives around. Whether it was to God or just to do better in their lives. This kinda thing is the biggest turn off to any new Christians seeing this kinda treatment.
You don't have to take those things seriously. It's ABSOLUTELY about aiming up. In fact, there's no difference between what you're saying and what he's saying - they're just different ways of saying/thinking it through
Jordan Peterson is a new Christian AND an academic. Most of the things of the spirit cannot be understood (or taught) with just the brain, without the anointing. I tried listening to one of his Biblical teachings. It was as dry as dirt. I am used to the anointing, the Spirit of God, permeating teachings & the preaching of the Word. He needs our prayers. Perhaps he can touch some with his teaching. God can use anyone, of course. It just did not & could not work for me.
Jordan isn’t a Christian, yet. Praying he humbles and surrenders himself to Christ, confesses with his mouth, and gets baptized.
Until that time, we will never know.
@@brando3342 Well that explains an awful lot!!!
He's not a Christian and has never claimed to be.
Peterson does one thing very well. He aims to redusce the 'mysticism' associated with religion in general and often uses Chistianity because it alone captures the struggles of life that everyone must face better than other religions. He once said the 'Logo' or Word is uniquely posistion to do this.
He is speaking to an audiance that has been brianwashed to reject religion. They were explicitly taught there is nothing beneficial to gleen or gather from that way of thinking ie to seek meaming from stories.
He strives to show that religious language strives to encode the most basic struggles of human exisitence. His undestanding of religion is closely interwoven with his knowledge in psychology often making and reducing religious links to life struggles in very insightful ways.
His understanding of God rivals most because he sees the Word in converstaion with others through histoy, not just Abrahams seed. He even discerns where their biases clouded the true message that God intended to convey. He is in deep communion with 'THE TRUTH' and wants to convey the depth of that communion by describing it in striking simple and familiar ways.
I pray that others see 'God's influence' with the depth and sofistication he does.
Well put. I'd put it even more simply:
He breaks down the bible into secularly palletable concepts and language.
This is why his teaching or grasp is incomplete, but it's also why he's most likely responsible for bringing the most people to Christ in the last 100 years.
for heavens sake! he just admitted that Jesus exists! hes a powerful man to have on our side right now! God gave us grace..
You are right. God uses him. But you don't understand that all of it does not even lead people to Christ. If he does not adress the most crucial aspects. Be blrn acain. Forgive others to be forgiven. He talks about that life is to live out your purpouse and kill the dragon/the heroes journey...But esoteric people, human right activists, vegans, also some muslims are doing exactly this...And some of them who are conservative celebrate Jordan Peterson & promote him AND they don't konw Jesus. So what was the point? Jesus sayed that in the end people who cast out demons in Jesus name & healed the sick in his name...will go to hell. Because you can know a part of the truth. But only THE truth will set you free. So this video right here. This pastor right here is doing what apostle Paul advised us but even more what Jesus advised us. Put the plank out of your eye and only then you are allowed to judge (don't condemn) your brother. Because that's love. Paul also sayed that he is judging the people inside the church but not the unbelievers (because how could they understand).
So you are essentially saying to a pastor that he should not instruct his maybe fellow saint.. so he could bear more fruit & could lead far more people to Christ. Which is by the way the duty of a pastor. To care about his fellow sheep. And which is the duty of all saints to go inside and see if we do sth. wrong. Like King David sayed to God. J. P. himself advises - to kill your inner dragon. So he even would wish to get christian advice...at least I believe so. Because I respect him.
James 2:19 ►
New International Version
You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder.
New Living Translation
You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God. Good for you! Even the demons believe this and they tremble in terror.
@@erbauungstutztaufgnade1875 thank you so much for your patience explaining this..but seeing someone that one respects start proving the bible is powerful..don't forget that pastors are human..and I respect this channel too..but I think he overstepped and used jordans name for views..Jordan is a fair man who is highly educated and has proven himself ..
and btw give Jordan a chance to learn the bible ..Jordan mentioning his belief in Jesus will encourage others to investigate ..
I'm tired of my comments being deleted. They are accurate. That's the reason they are deleted.
Remember the danger for all mankind is to make a God in our own image. The submission to the Holy Spirit is necessary for correct understanding.
Asking the right questions can steer the heart to humbleness.
My brother Nate is right with his breakdown. We are here to know and out father and his son Jesus.
Where blood is spilt with no justice, the land stays cursed with the blood. How much blood has been spilt in every land without justice? Are we not the salt of the earth? Be patient with intellectual men that know not their own hearts but rely on their own understandings. Be gentle with them as they walk in and do not shut the gates on them. We help carry eachothers burdens at times when we cam and if God wills it. Do not push them away with haste. Be welcoming as you are also welcomed in our fathers throne. Love them brothers and sisters. Be sons of light.
That is the problem with Psychology when we start interpreting the Scripture from a Psychological perspective and how everything relates to ourselves and our Psychology.
Why are people so affraid to say that he's not a Christian? He knows it, we know it. He's an idol. He's not a Christian. Just accept it. Pray for him. He's just a man.
Dr. JP wife just converted to catholic, that alone is a red flag!.... My understanding? Dr. JP lacks discernment. He needs our prayers and may the Holy Spirit lead him to the truth.
Amazing perspective!
🙏🏼 for the ministry!
Hey brother, if you haven't already I would love to see your take on Dr. Jason Lisle and Dr. Hugh Ross debate. I'm watching it now and it's intriguing. Thanks, Russell
We don’t need to improve our life we need to save it!
Could it be both? Once we are saved by Christ, we are not done. We now cooperate with the Holy Spirit to grow in faith and moral maturity. The latter doesn't save us but if the latter doesn't happen, we have good cause to question if the former has happened at all. We are saved to bring God glory. Are we doing that after we are saved? If not . . .